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What was the primary reason you decided to earn your degree overseas?
The primary reason for wanting to attend Le Cordon Bleu was the caliber of education it
offers. Generally, LCB London, Paris, and Sydney are considered the top universities in
the world for culinary school, and the option to attend a university that cooks for the likes
of queens and has taught chefs like Julia Child was an offer I could not pass up.
Another smaller reason for wanting to go overseas is my education would take two
years; this would include two culinary degrees and a wine and business degree. To
receive this in the United States, I was looking at closer to six years in total, which
wasnt realistic, especially for a field where you have to hop in at a young age.
MY DEGREE EARNED OVERSEAS WILL TAKE TWO YEARS. IT'S SIX YEARS IN THE
U.S.
Have there been any unexpected benefits of earning your degree overseas?
I have found some, including slowly learning different languages. As my school is so
diversethe incoming class had around 90 nationalitiesIve started to pick up little
sayings in different languages as well as able to work on my French and Spanish.
Another benefit is that until now, I didnt realize how much more desirable a person who
has studied overseas is for a position back in the States, as Im already receiving many
job offers.
Have there been any drawbacks?
I had the opportunity to come to France in the summer when I was 16 years old, and
immediately felt right at home. I have always wanted to travel the world, and up until that
point, I was planning to just study abroad. It was just this feeling inside of me that this
was home and that I needed to do everything I could to come back and stay in France
for as long as possible. So, I found the American University of Paris and applied, got in,
and made my decision to start the process of moving overseas right when I turned 18.
I DIDNT REALIZE HOW MUCH MORE DESIRABLE A PERSON WHO HAS STUDIED
OVERSEAS IS FOR A POSITION BACK IN THE STATES. IM ALREADY RECEIVING
MANY JOB OFFERS.
Have there been any unexpected benefits of earning your degree overseas?
Because AUP is obviously an American university, the fees were no different and the
curriculum was the same as if I would have stayed in the U.S. But studying for my
degree in such an international environmentin the French capital at a university where
roughly 100 nationalities are represented in a graduating classwas the perfect fit for
me. Class sizes were small and everyone was cultured and had unique perspectives on
everything. I knew that studying at AUP and in France would change my life for the
better probably more than if I had chosen a university in the States.
Have there been any drawbacks?
Im currently planning to return to the U.S. in the next week. As much as I would have
loved to have stayed in Paris or Europe in general, Ive found that it is extremely difficult
to find a joblet alone one where you need visa sponsorshipwhen you are just
finishing school. Im sure it can be done, but for the moment, the visa fight is one that Id
rather not deal with right now. I am, however, trying to remain optimistic about the
opportunity to return to Europe in the future for work.
Do you feel an international degree makes you more attractive to employers?
I think that it does. My perspectives and points of view have been molded to be much
more international and my experiences have really given me something extra than my
peers in the U.S. I didnt just study abroadI lived abroad. I am now bilingual, and
would love to learn more languages. I have cross-cultural cooperation experience from
working on group projects with students from across the globe.
How many other job-seekers fresh out of university have traveled so much? Since I
turned 18, I have lived in three different countries: France, U.K., and a semester in
South Africa. I think this definitely gives me an edge and interesting stories and
experiences to sharegiving me a leg up on someone I would otherwise be on par with.
Especially in todays world, which is so incredibly globalized, working internationally is
becoming so important.
STEVE GEINITZ, 37, ORIGINALLY FROM DENVER, COLORADO, EARNED HIS PHD
IN ZURICH.
In 2009, Geinitz moved to Switzerland to earn his PhD in applied statistics from the
University of Zurich. After graduating, he took a job with eBay in Zurich. A few years
later, he was recruited by Facebook and now works as a quantitative analyst/researcher
for the social network in London.
What was the primary reason you decided to earn your degree overseas?
From a pragmatic point of view, it was for the quality of the degree program offered
there. The University of Zurich, along with its closely affiliated neighbor, the Swiss
Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), have one of the most reputable communities of
statisticians in the world. I was fortunate enough to have the opportunity to study there
presented to me. Even before beginning the switch, I was already looking for ways to do
at least some of my studies abroad. This was because I had previously worked abroad
for some time and found it to be an amazing and enlightening experience that traveling
alone cannot match. So when this opportunity came up, and I discovered it was in such
a reputable environment, there wasnt a lot of hesitation.
GETTING AWAY FROM WHAT YOU HAVE ALWAYS KNOWN AND INTERACTING
WITH PEOPLE FROM OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD FORCES YOU TO LOOK AT THE
WORLD FROM SOMEONE ELSES POINT OF VIEW.
Have there been any unexpected benefits of earning your degree overseas?
What was a revelation for me was that attending graduate school doesnt have to be a
sacrifice. Although I had known ahead of time that the rate of pay for a graduate student
teaching assistant is greater in Switzerland than in the U.S., I didnt realize this would
relate to how going to graduate school is regarded in the two countries. Graduate school
in the U.S. is, for most, an extension of being an undergraduate student.
That is, you are either eking by, or you are incurring significant debt, all the while not
being seen as a fully functioning member of society. Even when you do finish, its often
a toss-up as to whether or not youll eventually earn more with the degree than if you
had joined the workforce earlier (MD/JD/MBA degrees excluded). This means that in the
U.S., you really have to want to study. This was at least how I and most other graduate
students I knew in the U.S. felt about it. In Switzerland and most other European
countries, it simply isnt this way. This was a huge, and unexpected, relief.
Have there been any drawbacks?
The only drawbacks to moving and studying abroad that I anticipated were being away
from friends, family, and Mexican food. I knew that there would be cultural differences
and a new language to try to learn, but fortunately these were all part of the motivation
to go.
Do you feel an international degree makes you more attractive to employers?
Yes, I would like to think so. Given two equally skilled candidates, one exposed to
primarily the same environment their entire life and one that has lived in an area with
cultures/customs/languages different from their own, I think the employer would choose
the latter. Getting away from what you have always known and interacting with people
from other parts of the world forces you to look at the world from someone elses point
of view. Not only does this help to be able to communicate more effectively, it helps to
learn how to empathize more readily. Also, having a richer set of experiences will allow
you to think more openly and creatively.
you are thousands of miles from home; you have to be able to support yourself and be
OK living on your own. The people Ive seen who come over here to study I feel should
not be over here are the party-mindset type. Instead of worrying about uni, they are out
partying and getting drunk because of the low drinking age, and full on ignoring their
studies."
Yet if you have the desire to explore other cultures and the drive for serious study,
Krugman believes theres one simple reason you should go overseas for your degree:
the cost. For Krugman's two degrees he will be earning, he'll spend $80,000 in fees.
The average cost for one four-year undergraduate degree in the United States is
$144,000, according to HSBC. Krugman is studying in the United Kingdom, which,
though it has lower fees than the United States, has much higher education costs than
many European countries that are luring American international students. But even so,
because of the lower fees in the U.K., Krugman says he'll graduate without student loan
debt.
HAVING TO BE RICH IN ORDER TO ATTEND THE BEST SCHOOLS ISNT RIGHT.
For PhD's in the United States, the average cost ranges from $28,000 to $40,000 per
year, according to TopUniversities. How much did Geinitz, who earned his PhD in
Zurich, Switzerland, pay over three years? "The total cost for three years [was] 1,500
CHF [Swiss Francs], which is/was roughly equally to $1,500 USD," he says, and notes
he has no student debt.
"Having to be rich in order to attend the best schools isnt right in my mind," Krugman
says of Americas education system. "Ive seen so many of my friends who are bright
and passionate have to pick a lower school in order to go-or in some cases not go
altogether."
Indeed, a recent VitalSource/Wakefield survey found that 81% of currently enrolled
college students surveyed agreed fewer students will attend college over the next 10
years due to the expense. Further, 57% of those surveyed had turned down a place at a
university because they couldn't afford it.
And the crushing effects of a higher education in the U.S. isn't something only American
students are noticing. "Ive met so many international students who want to know why
we pay so much for education in the U.S. when their countries are able to offer free or
very low-cost, quality higher education," says Ronald, who also spent $80,000 in total
for both her bachelor's and master's degrees. The average master degree program
alone in America costs $55,489, according to the New America Foundation.
"I think as a country, if we want to continue with economic growth and innovation, then
we should bring tuition down. How many students with the potential to change the world
are being kept from achieving amazing things because of money?"
With the advantage of lower fees and acquiring a wealth of global experience, Ronald
thinks most people should give serious consideration to earning their degree on foreign
shores.
"I wont lie," adds Ronald. "It is incredibly difficult! But if you are someone who is
adventurous, doesnt give up, and wants a unique and life-changing experience,
studying overseas for your full education might be for you."