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Hi Crane-Fighter, the blending of tiger and crane fists has independently occurred on several

occasions, as well as the two styles you have mentioned this fusion can be found in some
systems of Wing Chun and Silat, in Goju ryu karate and many others. Many styles have a
tiger/crane form. Feeding Crane has a tiger influence too. The two styles compliment each
other so well, that I think that similar fusions will continue to evolve in the future. I personally
prefer using palm strikes to the fist and have incorporated the tiger palm into my training.
Your 1st and 4th patterns are found in Yong Chun White Crane. Out of interest, how do the
forms on the following website out of interest compare to the ones that you do?
http://www.fujianbaihe.com
I dont study Tai Chi at the moment.
I practice Shuri Ryu Karatedo and we train San Chin Kata, which is related to the Sam Chien
(San Chan--in Mandarin I believe) form that you speak of. I also looked at the video links of the
San Zhan forms and think that probably the San Chin we practice is a cousin of the San Zhan.
Forgive me if I misrepresent anything that follows, I am just repeating what I have been taught
about San Chin Kata. Please feel free to expand and correct anything that may not be
accurate.
In many Okinawan arts it is performed with closed fists instead of open palms, with only three
steps forward, and no turns. Chojun Miyagi made these changes to San Chin Kata to prevent
Qi/Ki from exiting the body and to help develop external muscles of the arms.
I believe that San Chin Kata was imported to Okinawa from the Fukien Shaolin Temple. Beyond
that, I am unsure. However, many believe that the San Chan was developed by Daruma (Da Mo)
by combining Indian martial movements with Chinese yogic exercises (yi jin jing and xi sui jing)
and that a form similar was used in the temple to help exercise the "non-physical" monks.
Though I can't speak for other arts, in our tradition we are taught that the three conflicts
spoken of in the title of the form are birth, life, and death.
Like I said before, though, don't take this as doctrine and please feel free to correct me if I
have mis-stated anything as I would be interested in learning additional information that
anyone can offer.
thanks!
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Yong Chun
by Crane_Fighter Fri Sep 02, 2005 3:12 pm

Hey Jo,
I have checked out this website before but I didnt really spend long on it so it was good to go
back there..
I have viewed the forms and they have a lot of similar moves in there but are not quite the
same..
I asked my teacher about the Yong Chun origins and he said that what I study and Yong Chun
come from the same place..Fukien.

Keep a hold of your head while all around you are lossing theirs...
Crane_Fighter

by yat_chum Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:46 am

Ive recently have been reading Five Ancestor Fist Kung Fu: The Way of Ngo Cho Kun By
Alexander L. Co. This book suggests that Chua Giok Beng the founder of Ngo Cho Kun created
the Sam Chien Form. At that time, there was no master in Fukien Province that could defeat
Chua Giok Beng in hand-to-hand combat. As to a result, many of the established masters came
to study under him and were thus influenced by Ngo Cho Kun. .... In Chuan Chiu, and other
nearby places, many adopted his sam chien form to the beginners curriculum. Perhaps this is
the answer to where the Sam Chien comes from, more digging required.

Sam Chien clips

by yat_chum Sat Jul 22, 2006 11:53 pm

http://www.fujianbaihe.com/fujianbaihe/ ...
huguan.mov
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6_4v6Odcgc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxD29u5fYy0

http://feeding-crane.myweb.hinet.net/a2.wmv
yijing zhidong
To excel in kung fu, find it in San Zhan.
Okay, how many times have I heard this from all my teachers?
I think its easier to count the number of times they did not stress this.
3 rights/battles/advances permeate many Southern Fukien styles and
Okinawa/Japanese karate.
The beginning and the end of many White Crane lines and nothing else is taught
until all the qualities are accomplished according to laid down standards.
So with so many versions, which is the earliest?
Theories and speculations abound and the jury is still outto put it mildly
Personally I think we should be examining initial Shaolin swallow and spit
methodology and 3 rights which are taught in both northern and then later,
southern Lohan systems.
And for Karate folks looking for connections, this next clip from Fuzhou Whooping
Crane should prove interesting. Not usually done these days, this form is known
as Tiger Crane 3 Battles, the fist represents the tiger and the open-hand, the
crane.
So over to my Karate blog-buddy
Whooping Crane "Tiger Crane" SanChin/Sanzhan.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=YLog9TMFfo8
Eric88ling/Russ Smith Weblog
http://eric88ling.wordpress.com/2007/12 ... g-battles/
Sanchin
In both Goju-Ryu, which I practice, and Uechi-Ryu (a close cousin), many of the same sayings exist about
San Chin (Three Battles):
Sanchin is of primary importance
Everything is in Sanchin
Practice Sanchin every day
In these systems, Sanchin appears to be a basic form, containing (on the surface):
Stepping in a short, basic stance
Forward-facing posture with both hands guarding the middle

Punch or thrust
Grab and pull
Circular block and double palms
Specific breath coordination
Particular posture and muscular tension
But, looking deeper, youll see more:
Upper-body
Shoulders down
Back straight and chin down
Elbows close to the body
Punching / Thrusting technique (elbows down)
Block on return punch / thrust
Pulling in and down
Coordination of breathing and technique
Lower Body
Weight evenly distributed
Groin protected
Knees protected
Aggressive, circular stepping technique
Smooth movement, without bobbing up and down
Controlled stepping, keeping the entire foot flat, sliding and searching with the foot.
Each step is initiated by contracting and pulling the foot in, and expanding out to the next step. This
assists in defending against foot sweeps, and helps in attacking the attackers root.
Unified body
Concentration of energy from ground into punching technique.
Slow technique gives the student the time to think and self-correct structural and technique problems.
Sanchin Testing (Shime) varying from body conditioning to assisting the performer in awareness of parts
of the body not locked.
Sanchin breathing assists the user in exhaling when attacking, and reserving a small amount of air that
keeps the user from having the wind knocked out of them if struck.
Seeing the little bit I saw of the arts represented in Penang and Kuching, I have to say there is a fair
amount of similarity, not necessarily in the shape, but certainly in the intent of the form.
-Russ
Sanchin - from the Chinese side.
Like I said earlier, personally, I think Sanchins could be traced all the way back to Shaolin Luohan
training methods.
Old texts recorded the concept of 3 rights/straights referring to keeping the head, upper body to be
maintained straight and not tilted or bend in anyway. The buttocks to be tucked in and the feet
positioned to keep the body upright.
Sink chi to dantien and all strikes driven by chi and controlled by breathing in the swallowing and spitting
actions.
Depending on which styles, muscular tension fluctuates according to requirement. However, most all
styles teach opening/closing of the dantien area in clear manners.
And just like in Karate, this is tested by punches or kicks.
Got a clip here describing the above - the explanation is in Mandarin.

Southern Luo Han San Zheng Quan.


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Il8kp2_oVo0

Eric88ling/Russ Smith Weblog


http://eric88ling.wordpress.com/2007/12 ... nese-side/
Okinawa Goshukan Karate
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8L_36D_mWQc
Goshukan-ryu version of Wu Zhu Quan San Chien kata followed by Chinese version. #3 is
Goshukan-Ryu version of San Zhan demonstrated by Garry Parker

From 3 to 8.
It is often said that if you do not do Sanchin, you do not do White Crane.
I think that statement sums it up; Sanchin is the bedrock upon which White Crane
fighting is based on.
And many other Fukien styles use the same methodology.
TaiZu, Wuzu, Dog Boxing, Leopard, Dragon and the list goes on.
In Singing Crane, it is a misconception to say that there is no Sanchin and
Babulien is the substitute.
SanChin is still the beginning form for many Singing Crane families in Singapore,
Malaysia and Taiwan.
Babulien is the form following Sanchin and this is also the case for some Fuzhou
Cranes like Flying Crane for example.
So we know it is not Singing Crane exclusive and in fact, not even Crane Boxing
specific.
There are extant Babulien in Fukien Shaolin and Fukien Lohan just to name 2.
Singing Cranes Babulien take students beyond the swallowing, spitting, floating
and sinking.
All 8 fundamental principles are covered in the form:
Swallowing
Spitting
Floating
Sinking
Springing
Lifting
Bursting
Rebounding
And like I said many times before, translating from Fuzhou to English is so wanting
sometimes. The above, is at best, a ballpark guide.

Take another look at the last 4, my Sifu taught that those are the mechanism of
Whipping Jin generation.
When I was in Denver last year and playing with Sigung Wayne Welch, a Pak Kua
high hand, we were exploring the exact same topic.
I was taking a class through basics at that time and exaggerated on the sinking and
floating physically and Wayne came up to me and said they got the same concept
in Pak Kua.
Except that in their case, its called spiraling..
A short clip here showing a segment of Babulien :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI6n0enUIj0
Taken from
http://fuzhouwhitecrane.wordpress.com/

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