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By Abdalla S. Alothman
In this document I shall discuss what Howse brought forth, and that could
be summarized in the following topics:
4. Can the Creator Become Flesh and Dwell Amongst his Creation?
• When the Sufis and the Shee'ah discovered that ibn Taymiyya
mentioned the mosquito's back, they swiftly started the discrediting
process without taking heed.
Of course, if the reader searches for the following Arabic line in Google,
the results would be amazing:
This line comes for a larger quotation that can be found posted by Sufis
on the Internet. However, what interests me is 1 ﺥat the end of the line
because it shows that one Sufi copied that error from the other.
It is typical that Sufis have sloppy Arabic – their weakness in written and
read Arabic cannot be mistaken, and the same applies to their
transliteration techniques when translating Arabic material. When they
write 1 ﺥthey intended to write 1ﺝ, which is the letter "Jeem" – an
abbreviation for Juz ( )ﺟﺰءwhich is V, Volume (V1). Apparently they
replaced the letter KHA ( )ﺥwith the letter JEEM. And then they say that
ibn Taymiyya said Allah (tt) could have settled on a mosquito's back, and
here's an example of where they say:
That being said, Ibn Taymiyyah stated in his book “Bayaan Talbiis Al-Jahmiyyah”:
568 ﺹ/1 ﺥ, )ﺑﻴﺎﻥ ﺗﻠﺒﻴﺲ ﺍﻟﺠﻬﻤﻴﺔ )ﻭﻟﻮ ﻗﺪ ﺷﺎء ﻻﺳﺘﻘﺮ ﻋﻠﻰ ﻅﻬﺮ ﺑﻌﻮﺿﺔ ﻓﺎﺳﺘﻘﻠﺖ ﺑﻪ ﺑﻘﺪﺭﺗﻪ ﻭﻟﻄﻒ ﺭﺑﻮﺑﻴﺘﻪ.
“If Aļļaah had willed He could have settled on a mosquito, and it [the mosquito]
would have found Him [Aļļaah] light [or it would have carried Him on its back], by
Aļļaah’s Power and His Gentle Lordship (Bayaan Talbiis Al-Jahmiyyah, 1/568).”
And that's how scholarship is cooked in the Sufi and the Ash'ari, and even
the Shee'i land of wonders!
The Refutation:
1. Ibn Tayymiya clearly said in Bayaan Talbees Al-Jahmiyya that he is
constructing his refutation to the Jahmiyya based on what 'uthman bin
sa'eed al-Darmi said, and that was a source of confusion for the Sufis and
the Shee'ah. Usually, what happens is that one guy pops out of nowhere,
and posts his findings, the rest receive the misquoted passage and clap.
Then, they find another instance of the passage mentioned by someone
else, and they get confused.
This is what ibn Tayymiya said page 324 (the online copy of Talbees Al-
Jahmiyya can be found here):
ﻗﺎﻝ ﻋﺜﻤﺎﻥ ﺑﻦ ﺳﻌﻴﺪ ﺍﻟﺪﺭﺍﻣﻲ ﻓﻲ ﻧﻘﻀﻪ ﻋﻠﻰ ﺍﻟﻤﺮﻳﺴﻲ ﻭﺻﺎﺣﺒﻪ ﻭﺃﻋﺠﺐ ﻣﻦ
ﻫﺬﺍ ﻛﻠﻪ ﻗﻴﺎﺳﻚ ﷲ ﺑﻘﻴﺎﺱ ﺍﻟﻌﺮﺵ ﻭﻣﻘﺪﺍﺭﻩ ﻭﻭﺯﻧﻪ ﻣﻦ ﺻﻐﻴﺮ ﺃﻭ ﻛﺒﻴﺮ ﻭﺯﻋﻤﺖ ﻛﺎﻟﺼﺒﻴﺎﻥ
ﺍﻟﻌﻤﻴﺎﻥ ﺇﻥ ﷲ ﺃﻛﺒﺮ ﻣﻦ ﺍﻟﻌﺮﺵ ﺃﻭ ﺃﺻﻐﺮ ﻣﻨﻪ ﺃﻭ ﻣﺜﻠﻪ ﻓﺈﻥ ﻛﺎﻥ ﷲ ﺃﺻﻐﺮ ﻓﻘﺪ ﺻﻴﺮﺗﻢ
ﺍﻟﻌﺮﺵ ﺃﻋﻈﻢ ﻣﻨﻪ ﻭﺇﻥ ﻛﺎﻥ ﺃﻛﺒﺮ ﻣﻦ ﺍﻟﻌﺮﺵ ﻓﻘﺪ ﺍﺩﻋﻴﺘﻢ ﻓﻴﻪ ﻓﻀﻼ ﻋﻦ ﺍﻟﻌﺮﺵ ﻭﺇﻥ ﻛﺎﻥ
ﻣﺜﻠﻪ ﺇﺫﺍ ﺿﻢ ﺇﻟﻰ ﺍﻟﻌﺮﺵ ﺍﻟﺴﻤﻮﺍﺕ ﻭﺍﻷﺭﺽ ﻛﺎﻧﺖ ﺃﻛﺒﺮ ﻣﻊ ﺧﺮﺍﻓﺎﺕ ﺗﻜﻠﻢ ﺑﻬﺎ ﻭﺗﺮﻫﺎﺕ
ﻳﻠﻌﺐ ﺑﻬﺎ ﻭﺿﻼﻻﺕ ﻳﻀﻞ ﺑﻬﺎ ﻟﻮ ﻛﺎﻥ ﻣﻦ ﻳﻌﻤﻞ ﻟ ﻟﻘﻄﻊ ﻗﺸﺮﺓ ﻟﺴﺎﻧﻪ ﻭﺍﻟﺨﻴﺒﺔ ﻟﻘﻮﻡ ﻫﺬﺍ
ﻓﻘﻴﻬﻬﻢ ﻭﺍﻟﻤﻨﻈﻮﺭ ﺇﻟﻴﻪ ﻣﻊ ﺍﻟﺘﻤﻴﻴﺰ ﻛﻠﻪ ﻭﻫﺬﺍ ﺍﻟﻨﻈﺮ ﻭﻛﻞ ﻫﺬﻩ ﺍﻟﺠﻬﺎﻻﺕ ﻭﺍﻟﻀﻼﻻﺕ #ﻓﻴﻘﺎﻝ
ﻟﻬﺬﺍ ﺍﻟﺒﻘﺒﺎﻕ ﺍﻟﻨﻔﺎﺝ ﺇﻥ ﷲ ﺃﻋﻈﻢ ﻣﻦ ﻛﻞ ﺷﻲء ﻭﺃﻛﺒﺮ ﻣﻦ ﻛﻞ ﺧﻠﻖ ﻭﻟﻢ ﻳﺤﻤﻠﻪ ﺍﻟﻌﺮﺵ
ﻋﻈﻤﺎ ﻭﻻ ﻗﻮﺓ ﻭﻻ ﺣﻤﻠﺔ ﺍﻟﻌﺮﺵ ﺣﻤﻠﻮﻩ ﺑﻘﻮﺗﻬﻢ ﻭﻻ ﺍﺳﺘﻘﻠﻮﺍ ﺑﻌﺮﺷﻪ ﻭﻟﻜﻨﻬﻢ ﺣﻤﻠﻮﻩ
ﺑﻘﺪﺭﺗﻪ
ﻭﻗﺪ ﺑﻠﻐﻨﺎ ﺃﻧﻬﻢ ﺣﻴﻦ ﺣﻤﻠﻮﺍ ﺍﻟﻌﺮﺵ ﻭﻓﻮﻗﻪ ﺍﻟﺠﺒﺎﺭ ﻓﻲ ﻋﺰﺗﻪ ﻭﺑﻬﺎﺋﻪ ﺿﻌﻔﻮﺍ ﻋﻦ ﺣﻤﻠﻪ
ﻭﺍﺳﺘﻜﺎﻧﻮﺍ ﻭﺟﺜﻮﺍ ﻋﻠﻰ ﺭﻛﺒﻬﻢ ﺣﺘﻰ ﻟﻘﻨﻮﺍ ﻻ ﺣﻮﻝ ﻭﻻ ﻗﻮﺓ ﺇﻻ ہﻠﻟ ﻓﺎﺳﺘﻘﻠﻮﺍ ﺑﻪ ﺑﻘﺪﺭﺓ ﷲ
ﻭﺇﺭﺍﺩﺗﻪ ﻭﻟﻮﻻ ﺫﻟﻚ ﻣﺎ ﺍﺳﺘﻘﻞ ﺑﻪ ﺍﻟﻌﺮﺵ ﻭﻻ ﺍﻟﺤﻤﻠﺔ ﻭﻻ ﺍﻟﺴﻤﻮﺍﺕ ﻭﻻ ﺍﻷﺭﺽ ﻭﻻ ﻣﻦ ﻓﻴﻬﻦ
ﻭﻟﻮ ﻗﺪ ﺷﺎء ﻻﺳﺘﻘﺮ ﻋﻠﻰ ﻅﻬﺮ ﺑﻌﻮﺿﺔ ﻓﺎﺳﺘﻘﻠﺖ ﺑﻪ ﺑﻘﺪﺭﺗﻪ ﻭﻟﻄﻒ ﺭﺑﻮﺑﻴﺘﻪ ﻓﻜﻴﻒ ﻋﻠﻰ
ﻋﺮﺵ ﻋﻈﻴﻢ ﺃﻛﺒﺮ ﻣﻦ ﺍﻟﺴﻤﻮﺍﺕ ﻭﺍﻷﺭﺽ ﻭﻛﻴﻒ ﺗﻨﻜﺮ ﺃﻳﻬﺎ ﺍﻟﻨﻔﺎﺝ ﺃﻥ ﻋﺮﺷﻪ ﻳﻘﻠﻪ ﻭﺍﻟﻌﺮﺵ
ﺃﻛﺒﺮ ﻣﻦ ﺍﻟﺴﻤﻮﺍﺕ ﺍﻟﺴﺒﻊ ﻭﺍﻷﺭﺿﻴﻦ ﺍﻟﺴﺒﻊ ﻭﻟﻮ ﻛﺎﻥ ﺍﻟﻌﺮﺵ ﻓﻲ ﺍﻟﺴﻤﻮﺍﺕ ﻭﺍﻻﺭﺿﻴﻦ ﻣﺎ
ﻭﺳﻌﺘﻪ ﻭﻟﻜﻨﻪ ﻓﻮﻕ ﺍﻟﺴﻤﺎء ﺍﻟﺴﺎﺑﻌﺔ"
"ﻭﻗﺪﻣﻨﺎ ﺃﻳﻀﺎ ﻗﻮﻟﻪ ﻓﻲ ﺿﻤﻦ ﺭﺩﻩ ﻋﻠﻰ ﺍﻟﺠﻬﻤﻲ ﺍﻟﻤﻨﻜﺮ ﻷﺳﺘﻮﺍء ﷲ ﻋﻠﻰ ﺍﻟﻌﺮﺵ ﻗﺎﻝ
ﻭﺃﻋﺠﺐ ﻣﻦ ﻫﺬﺍ ﻛﻠﻪ ﻗﻴﺎﺳﻚ ﷲ ﺑﻘﻴﺎﺱ ﺍﻟﻌﺮﺵ ﻭﻣﻘﺪﺍﺭﻩ ﻭﻭﺯﻧﻪ ﻣﻦ ﺻﻐﻴﺮ ﺃﻭ ﻛﺒﻴﺮ ﻭﺯﻋﻤﺖ
ﻛﺎﻟﺼﺒﻴﺎﻥ ﺍﻟﻌﻤﻴﺎﻥ ﺃﻥ ﻛﺎﻥ ﷲ ﺃﻛﺒﺮ ﻣﻦ ﺍﻟﻌﺮﺵ ﺃﻭ ﺃﺻﻐﺮ ﻣﻨﻪ ﺃﻭ ﻣﺜﻠﻪ ﻓﺈﻥ ﻛﺎﻥ ﷲ ﺃﺻﻐﺮ ﻓﻘﺪ
ﺻﻴﺮﺗﻢ ﺍﻟﻌﺮﺵ ﺃﻋﻈﻢ ﻣﻨﻪ ﻭﺇﻥ ﻛﺎﻥ ﺃﻛﺒﺮ ﻣﻦ ﺍﻟﻌﺮﺵ ﻓﻘﺪ ﺍﺩﻋﻴﺘﻢ ﻓﻴﻪ ﻓﻀﻼ ﻋﻦ ﺍﻟﻌﺮﺵ ﻭﺇﻥ
ﻛﺎﻥ ﻣﺜﻠﻪ ﻓﺈﻧﻪ ﺇﺫﺍ ﺿﻢ ﺇﻟﻰ ﺍﻟﻌﺮﺵ ﺍﻟﺴﻤﻮﺍﺕ ﻭﺍﻷﺭﺽ ﻛﺎﻧﺖ ﺃﻛﺒﺮ ﻣﻦ ﺧﺮﺍﻓﺎﺕ ﺗﻜﻠﻢ ﺑﻬﺎ
ﻭﺗﺮﻫﺎﺕ ﻳﻠﻌﺐ ﺑﻬﺎ ﻭﺿﻼﻻﺕ ﻳﻀﻞ ﺑﻬﺎ ﻟﻮ ﻛﺎﻥ ﻣﻦ ﻳﻌﻤﻞ ﻋﻠﻴﻪ ﻟ ﻟﻘﻄﻊ ﺛﻤﺮﺓ ﻟﺴﺎﻧﻪ
ﻭﺍﻟﺨﻴﺒﺔ ﻟﻘﻮﻡ ﻫﺬﺍ ﻣﻘﻴﻬﻬﻢ ﻭﺍﻟﻤﻨﻈﻮﺭ ﺇﻟﻴﻪ ﻣﻊ ﻫﺬﺍ ﺍﻟﺘﻤﻴﻴﺰ ﻛﻠﻪ ﻭﻫﺬﺍ ﺍﻟﻨﻈﺮ ﻭﻛﻞ ﻫﺬﻩ
ﺍﻟﺠﻬﺎﻻﺕ ﻭﺍﻟﻀﻼﻻﺕ #ﻓﻴﻘﺎﻝ ﻟﻬﺬﺍ ﺍﻟﺒﻘﺒﺎﻕ ﺍﻟﻨﻔﺎﺥ ﺇﻥ ﷲ ﺃﻋﻈﻢ ﻣﻦ ﻛﻞ ﺷﻲء ﻭﺃﻛﺒﺮ ﻣﻦ
ﻛﻞ ﺧﻠﻖ ﻭﻟﻢ ﻳﺤﺘﻤﻠﻪ ﺍﻟﻌﺮﺵ ﻋﻈﻤﺎ ﻭﻻ ﻗﻮﺓ ﻭﻻ ﺣﻤﻠﻪ ﺍﻟﻌﺮﺵ ﺍﺣﺘﻤﻠﻮﻩ ﺑﻘﻮﺗﻬﻢ ﻭﻻ
ﺍﺳﺘﻘﻠﻮﺍ ﺑﻌﺮﺷﻪ ﺑﺸﺪﺓ ﺃﺳﺮﻫﻢ ﻭﻟﻜﻨﻬﻢ ﺣﻤﻠﻮﻩ ﺑﻘﺪﺭﺗﻪ ﻭﻣﺸﻴﺌﺘﻪ ﻭﺇﺭﺍﺩﺗﻪ ﻭﺗﺄﻳﻴﺪﻩ ﻟﻮﻻ ﺫﻟﻚ
ﻣﺎ ﺃﻁﺎﻗﻮﺍ ﺣﻤﻠﻪ ﻭﻗﺪ ﺑﻠﻐﻨﺎ ﺃﻧﻬﻢ ﺣﻴﻦ ﺣﻤﻠﻮﺍ ﺍﻟﻌﺮﺵ ﻭﻓﻮﻗﻪ ﺍﻟﺠﺒﺎﺭ ﻓﻲ ﻋﺰﺗﻪ
ﻭﺑﻬﺎﺋﻪ ﺿﻌﻔﻮﺍ ﻋﻦ ﺣﻤﻠﻪ ﻭﺍﺳﺘﻜﺎﻧﻮﺍ ﻭﺟﺜﻮﺍ ﻋﻠﻰ ﺭﻛﺒﻬﻢ ﺣﺘﻰ ﻟﻘﻨﻮﺍ ﻻ ﺣﻮﻝ ﻭﻻ ﻗﻮﺓ ﺍﻻ ہﻠﻟ
ﻓﺎﺳﺘﻘﻠﻮﺍ ﺑﻪ ﺑﻘﺪﺭﺓ ﷲ ﻭﺍﺭﺍﺩﺗﻪ ﻭﻟﻮﻻ ﺫﻟﻚ ﻣﺎ ﺍﺳﺘﻘﻞ ﺑﻪ ﺍﻟﻌﺮﺵ ﻭﻻ ﺍﻟﺤﻤﻠﺔ ﻭﻻ ﺍﻟﺴﻤﻮﺍﺕ
ﻭﺍﻻﺭﺽ ﻭﻣﻦ ﻓﻴﻬﻦ ﻭﻟﻮ ﻗﺪ ﺷﺎء ﻻ ﺳﺘﻘﻞ ﻋﻠﻰ ﻅﻬﺮ ﺑﻌﻮﺿﺔ ﻓﺎﺳﺘﻘﻠﺖ ﺑﻪ ﺑﻘﺪﺭﺗﻪ ﻭﻟﻄﻒ
ﺭﺑﻮﺑﻴﺘﻪ ﻓﻜﻴﻒ ﻋﻠﻰ ﻋﺮﺵ ﻋﻈﻴﻢ ﺍﻛﺒﺮ ﻣﻦ ﺍﻟﺴﻤﻮﺍﺕ ﺍﻟﺴﺒﻊ ﻭﺍﻻﺭﺿﻴﻦ ﺍﻟﺴﺒﻊ ﻭﻟﻮ ﻛﺎﻥ
"# ﺍﻟﻌﺮﺵ ﻓﻲ ﺍﻟﺴﻤﻮﺍﺕ ﻭﺍﻻﺭﺿﻴﻦ ﻣﺎ ﻭﺳﻌﺘﻪ ﻭﻟﻜﻨﻪ ﻓﻮﻕ ﺍﻟﺴﻤﺎء ﺍﻟﺴﺎﺑﻌﺔ
2. Some of the ignorant Sufis did try to spend some energy in proving
that ibn Taymiyya favored the opinion presented by al-Darmi, by that,
they went to another work made by another Sufi in order to prove that
point. Why? Because they can't read Arabic, they strive to attack, but they
can't read. And yes, ibn Taymiyya did favor the al-Darmi's opinion in his
reply to al-mareesi the Jahmi.
However, there is nothing wrong with what al-Darmi proposed; It's 100%
in accordance with the Islamic creed. He was simply arguing with the
Jahmi over ideas that Almareesi suggested, that:
(a): Allah (tt)is not bound by weight or size in comparison to the Throne.
(b): The Angels and the Throne are actually powerless to withhold Allah
(tt), however, they carry the task simple because Allah (tt) empowered
them.
(c): If Allah (tt) wills, he can substitute the Angels and the Throne, and
empowers the substitute, and he gave the mosquito as a substitute: as an
example contrary to the size of the Throne and the might of the Angels.
But as proposed by al-Darmi, Allah (tt) does not settle on a mosquito's
back, simply because He is on His Throne [which contains His chair which
is] larger than the heavens and the earth.
The inner purpose developed by the Sufis and the Shee'ah is to cast
anyone who disagrees with those two factions with a ridiculing label. So
basically, when the average Muslim disagrees with a Sufi (or an Ash'ari)
or a Shee'i, the first reply the Muslim will receive is being labeled as
"Wahhabi." The Sufis (and the Ash'aris) and the Shee'ah would have no
problem calling each other "Wahhabi" when they disagree – It's the
natural dismissible response one can expect from the weak.
Moreover, the followers of Muhammad bin Abdul Wahhab did not form a
sect. They started as a religious movement, which later became a political
movement. Eventually, the movement successfully established its goals
and disappeared.
Today, there are no Wahhabis. The term however became a label used by
the Sufis and the Shee'ah to tag anyone who disagrees with them –
including one another. It is also worth highlighting that Muhammad bin
Abdul Wahhab's movement did not directly target the Shee'ah or the
Sufis, there were however certain practices adopted by existing heretics;
These ill practices and rituals were also common amongst the Sufis and
the Shee'ah, and that's the reason behind the grudge.
In addition, ibn Abdul Wahhab's system did not tolerate the practices of
the Sufis and the Shee'ah, while the modern Saudi Arabians exert
tolerance to a certain extent towards ill Sufi and Shee'ah practices. Just
open the TV and see how the Sufis and the Shee'ah hang on the Ka'ba in
Makkah.
or like that:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BvSLgJSBBY
If that was Islam, the western world would have applauded Islam. But
unfortunately, the Islam that the west strives to see, is and has been
always rejected by Muslims, whether they are ibn Taymiyya, ibn Abdul
Wahhab, or the Kings of Saudi Arabia.
3. The Criticism on ibn Taymiyya Hardly Discredits his Accomplishments.
And this how Howse wants the architects to learn architecture – by getting
the knowledge from the carpenter. Simply put, Ibn Battuta is an explorer,
he isn't a scholar of Islamic sciences. There is also no evidence in our
hands that shows that ibn Battuta had any background in clinical
psychology or neurology.
Even though ibn Taymiyya criticized many who endorsed Sufi ideas,
unbiased scholars never ceased to praise him as he deserves. The
following is from Jalaludeen Al-Siyooti, a scholar whom the Sufis hold
dear:
"ﺍﺑﻦ ﺗﻴﻤﻴﺔ ﺍﻟﺸﻴﺦ ﺍﻹﻣﺎﻡ ﺍﻟﻌﻼﻣﺔ ﺍﻟﺤﺎﻓﻆ ﺍﻟﻨﺎﻗﺪ ﺍﻟﻔﻘﻴﻪ ﺍﻟﻤﺠﺘﻬﺪ ﺍﻟﻤﻔﺴﺮ ﺍﻟﺒﺎﺭﻉ ﺷﻴﺦ
( ﻭﻛﺎﻥ ﻣﻦ ﺑﺤﻮﺭ...) ﺍﻹﺳﻼﻡ ﻋﻠﻢ ﺍﻟﺰﻫﺎﺩ ﻧﺎﺩﺭﺓ ﺍﻟﻌﺼﺮ ﺗﻘﻲ ﺍﻟﺪﻳﻦ ﺃﺑﻮ ﺍﻟﻌﺒﺎﺱ ﺃﺣﻤﺪ ﺑﻦ
.ًﺍﻟﻌﻠﻢ ﻭﻣﻦ ﺍﻷﺫﻛﻴﺎء ﺍﻟﻤﻌﺪﻭﺩﻳﻦ ﻭﺍﻟﺰﻫﺎﺩ ﻭﺍﻷﻓﺮﺍﺩ ﺃﻟﻒ ﺛﻼﺛﻤﺎﺋﺔ ﻣﺠﻠﺪﺓ ﻭﺍﻣﺘﺤﻦ ﻭﺃﻭﺫﻱ ﻣﺮﺍﺭﺍ
ﻣﻦ ﺍﻟﻨﺴﺨﺔ244 -243 ]ﻧﻘﻼ ً ﻋﻦ ﻁﺒﻘﺎﺕ ﺍﻟﺤﻔّﺎﻅ ﻹﻣﺎﻡ ﺟﻼﻝ ﺍﻟﺪﻳﻦ ﺍﻟﺴﻴﻮﻁﻲ – ﺻﻔﺤﺔ
[ ﺍﻹﻟﻜﺘﺮﻭﻧﻴﺔ ﻣﻦ ﻣﻮﻗﻊ ﻣﻜﺘﺒﺔ ﻣﺸﻜﺎﺓ ﺍﻹﺳﻼﻣﻴﺔ
4. Can the Creator Become Flesh and Dwell Amongst his Creation?
Rather, "Can the Creator become the created?" This is the question that
Howse implies at the conclusion of his message:
The Answer: Guess what? The question is logically flawed, and in no way
does it serve the Christian cause. That is, it doesn't really matter whether
the Creator can become the created (and dwell amongst his creation or
whatever…). The question is: Did the Creator become the created?
And as for the argument of the mosquito's back, which was originally used
by 'Uthman bin Sa'eed al-Darmi, and cited by ibn Taymiyya – well, that
was a negated conditional as it appeared: A presupposition inserted by
the author to anull another argument and the supposition itself. That is,
al-Darmi was arguing about Allah's settlement on HIS THRONE (not the
back of a mosquito), and since his opponent – Almareesi, the Jahmi – was
arguing about the size of the Allah (tt) and His Throne, the example of the
back of the mosquito was introduced to be annulled and to annul the
opponents arguments altogether.
HE (tt) has a Throne; And likewise, He does not need to become the
created because he also erects prophets and messengers…
Abdalla S. Alothman
April 9, 2010