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Lord Caitanya did just that when Ramacandra Puri attacked Him. In this
case, Ramacandra did not even have the Lords best interest in mind; he
was just trying to demise the devotees. However, Lord Caitanya just
accepted the so-called instructions and made the shift in His behavior. A
person who has great strength does not get so swayed by popular
sentiment, by fads, by friends and enemies. Rather, he or she is very
happy. Why? When someone is thinking that Krishna is everywhere, is in
the heart, and is calling us constantly, then the person is always
wondering why he or she hasnt gone back to Him yet. The devotee
wants to know what is blocking. From that position we are taking the
humble position, trying to see what is obfuscating our return home. We
are quick to look at whatever weaknesses we have, realizing that they
are responsible for our position in this material world.
One devotee approached me the other day with fear and concern
because he was seeing so many senior devotees all around the world
whose devotion is almost gone. New devotees observe this phenomenon
with fear and it should frighten a devotee. He or she should wonder how
such a thing happens. A devotee should also find ways to avoid that
same result. A devotee can think of ways to sympathize and the means
to help someone else come back into the fire of devotional service.
However, ego causes a person to think that such a situation will never
happen to him because he sees himself as different. He sees that other
people are a certain way but sees himself as strong and immune to such
consequences. However, the same maya is there, and she has different
tricks to bring people down in different ways. In most cases, the person
who got captured by maya was not thinking that they were in maya until
it became so dominant that they knew and everyone else knew.
Many times people are in maya and are thinking they are fine until they
are so devastated that there is no way to not see the reality of their
position. Therefore, if we dont have humility, we will simply be a
disturbance. Krishna will give us so much assistance, but if He sees that
we are not taking it, He will help us through tough love just as a parent
helps a child.
So, how powerful if we can even humbly accept and use the advice of a
person who might not have the best intentions. If we cannot do that,
then we know we are wrong. If we end up in such a situation and show
enviousness, then we immediately know that our creeper is still very
much in the neophyte stage. Krishna makes it very clear in Bhagavadgita 12.13-14, One who is not envious but is a kind friend to all living
entities, who does not think himself a proprietor and is free from false
ego, who is equal in both happiness and distress, who is tolerant, always
satisfied, self-controlled, and engaged in devotional service with
determination, his mind and intelligence fixed on Mesuch a devotee of
Mine is very dear to Me.
How and where did you join the International Society for Krishna
Consciousness?
It was Feb. 92 and I was having a crisis. A relationship had ended and I
was losing the battle with depression. In counseling, I had been asked if I
had plans for the future - the words stuck in my head. By that time I had
been convinced about Krishna Consciousness for almost ten years. In the
back of my head it had been my plan for a long time. It was a plan that
always ran into the same brick wallfour regulative principles. So there I
wasnot doing very well and needing to come up with some real
direction to keep from sliding deeper into depression. Unfortunately the
only thing that inspired me seemed impossible. So I PRAYED. I got down
on my knees, closed my eyes, and kind of just let it all hang out. I told
Krishna that I knew that I hadnt done much with the mercy hed given to
me already so there wasnt good reason to give me more. But I told Him
that I was desperate and that I knew He could help me if He wanted. In
July I moved into the Detroit Temple full-time.
How did you meet your spiritual master?
Its funny. It was Srimad-Bhagavatam class and my expectations werent
so high because the previous week H.H. Hridayananda Goswami had
come through and had given some wonderful classes. Since Maharaja
had been an integral part of the project to complete the translation and
commentary of the Bhagavatam, I was thinking that no one else would
be able to present it so well. But when H.G. Ravindra Swarupa
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beginning stages of bhakti, then I just want to keep the faith and carry
on till the end.
If serious doubts have arisen during the course of your spiritual
life, how have you been able to combat them?
I think for me its less a question of doubt than of weakness of heart. In
the Bible there is the story where Jesus staunch disciple Peter is afraid
after Jesus is arrested and denies that he is his follower. He doesnt think
to stop being a disciple so its more weakness than doubt. In the
background at least, I feel confident in Krishna Consciousness and the
path given us by Srila Prabhupada. Ive experienced enough of a change
in my life to know that it works. In that way I dont worry that maybe Ive
made the wrong choice, or taken the wrong path or something. My
struggle lies more in bringing that faith to bear in day to day situations.
How does your association with devotees help maintain your
own spiritual life/sadhana?
There are philosophical explanations for how association does what it
does, but at the time it seems to just work as if by magic. Im fortunate
to have some excellent association right now and the effect is really
amazing. Its something weve really noticed in the Japa Retreats is how
powerful it is when devotees come together for a few days of focused
association.
What do you see as the most significant obstacle facing the
expansion of the Hare Krishna movement? How do you feel that
devotees can tackle this obstacle?
I think something we all can do is to step back and look at ourselves as
clearly and objectively as we can. Its human nature to be a little
generous with ourselvesto play up the positives and gloss over the
negatives. It makes it a lot harder for us to make real progress. Even if
the picture isnt so prettyif we can look at ourselves honestly, we have
the basis for moving forward.
envy envi, n. ill-will or hostility (obs); a feeling of discontent at the good
looks, qualities, fortune, etc. of another; an object or person
contemplated with grudging or envious feelings; to wish to have or to
covet someones property, good fortune, skills, etc.
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Godhead is pure devotional service. But if one has a motive for personal
sense gratification, his devotional service is manifested differently. Such
a man may be violent, proud, envious and angry, and his interests are
separate from the Lords.
One who approaches the Supreme Lord to render devotional service, but
who is proud of his personality, envious of others or vengeful, is in the
mode of anger. He thinks that he is the best devotee. Devotional service
executed in this way is not pure; it is mixed and is of the lowest grade,
tamasah. Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura advises that a Vaisnava
who is not of good character should be avoided. A Vaisnava is one who
has taken the Supreme Personality of Godhead as the ultimate goal of
life, but if one is not pure and still has motives, then he is not a Vaisnava
of the first order of good character. One may offer his respects to such a
Vaisnava because he has accepted the Supreme Lord as the ultimate
goal of life, but one should not keep company with a Vaisnava who is in
the mode of ignorance. (SB 3.29.8)
However, disagreements and envy between Vaisnavas can be resolved
by those devotees who sincerely desire to please the spiritual master
and Krsna. Srila Prabhupada explains:
Indra decided to fall down at the lotus feet of King Prthu, but the King
was so magnanimous a Vaisnava that he did not want Maharaja Indra to
fall down at his feet. Instead, King Prthu immediately picked him up and
embraced him, and both of them forgot all the past incidents. Both King
Indra and Maharaja Prthu were envious and angry with each other, but
since both of them were Vaisnavas, or servants of Lord Visnu, it was their
duty to adjust the cause of their envy. This is also a first-class example of
cooperative behavior between VaisnavasThere is a great need to
propagate the Krsna consciousness movement in the world so that even
though people sometimes become angry and malicious toward one
another, because of their being Krsna conscious such rivalry, competition
and envy can be adjusted without difficulty. (SB 4.20.18)
Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura discusses dealing with envy and
other anarthas:
Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti Thakura has suggested how one can conquer
lusty desires for sense gratification...if one is determined not to live with
a woman, even while seeing a woman he will not become lusty...The
example given in this regard is that even if one is hungry, if on a
particular day he is determined to observe fasting, he can naturally
conquer the disturbances of hunger and thirst. If one is determined not
to be envious of anyone, he can naturally conquer anger. Similarly, one
can give up the desire to accumulate wealth simply by considering how
difficult it is to protect the money in ones possession. (SB 7.15.22 and
purport)