EXCLUSIVE Transcripts of Whistleblower Testimonies As Targeted Individuals and U.S. Sponsored Mind Control Published by Advanced Media Group June 2, 2016

Stan J.
Caterbone
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EXCLUSIVE Transcripts of Whistleblower Testimonies of

Targeted Individuals and U.S. Sponsored Mind Control
Published by Advanced Media Group June 2, 2016
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June 2, 2016
TABLE OF CONTENTS
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3.
4.
Background of Stan J. Caterbone as a Targeted Individual

Karen Stewart, NSA Whistleblower and Targeted Individual
There is no doubt that NSA is now run by sycophants and sociopaths
EXCLUSIVE: Former NSA Employee Speaks Out on its Corruption # Karen
Stewart
5. The Interview
6. NSA Whistleblower Comes Out of the Shadows Into the Light by Karen
Stewart
7. The Interview
8. Julianne McKinney, US Army Intelligence Officer, Whistleblower, and
Targeted Individual
9. Transcript Of Greg Szymanskis Interview With Julianne Mckinney
10.
Dr. Nick Begich, Author and Expert Researcher of U.S. Sponsored Mind
Control
11.
October 1, 2015 Nick Begich Lecture at the Covert Harassment
Conference in Berlin, Germanay
Stan J. Caterbone
ADVANCED MEDIA GROUPFreedom
From Covert Harassment & Surveillance,

1250 Fremont Street

Lancaster, PA 17603
CORROBORATING EXPERT AND FORMER NSA WHISTLEBLOWER

KAREN STEWART
DISCLOSURE OF ELECTROGAGNETIC WEAPONS USED TO KILL CERTAIN
TARGETED INDIVIDUALS DURING APRIL 10, 2016 RADIO INTERVIEW
June 2, 2016
BACKGROUND
Stan J. Caterbone's International Signal & Control or ISC Whistleblowing History and Mind
Control Relationships are outlined in the following statements and declarations, which have
already been proven and verified and have never been specifically contested in any court of law:
Stan J. Caterbone was a Federal Whistleblower in 1987 regarding ISC
The 29 False Arrests and Prosecutorial Misconduct that Stan J. Caterbone was subject to in 1987
through 2015 was an effort to cover-up the allegations made by Stan J. Caterbone in the Spring
and Summer of 1987 after the Meeting of June 23, 1987 with ISC and United Chem Con Executive
Larry Resch.
The ISC Fraud and Sales of Arms to Iraq Story by the ABC News Nightline with Ted Koppel and
the Financial Times of London in May, July, and September of 1991 was most likely initiated or
was corroborated by Lancaster Newspapers reporter Thomas Flannary.
Thomas Flannary's mysterious death in February of 2004 was either murder or was a cover story
to hide the fact that he was a CIA operative used to control the flow of information,
disinformation, and propaganda. It is highly subject that he began his career with Lancaster
Newspapers in 1987 and is not a native Lancastrian.
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The ISC merger was not completed until December of 1987, 3 months after the False Arrests of
Stan J. Caterbone.
The official meeting with the Pennsylvania Securities Commission Agent Howard Eisler in
September of 1987, which was solicited by Agent Eisler was an effort to illegally interrogate Stan
J. Caterbone without a legal subpoena.
In the months after the June 23, 1987 meeting with ISC Executive Larry Resch Stan J.
Caterbone had personally solicited a vast array of local, state, and federal officials, including the
FBI and Congressman Robert Walker, PA State Representative Gibson Armstrong for assistance in
the retaliation and slander campaign that was in progress. There is credible linkage between the
ISC Scandal, U.S. Sponsored Mind Control, Stan J. Caterbone's family VICTIMIZATION of the
same, and the participation of LANCASTER COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA.
The Zook Murder Appeal proves that Lancaster County Detective Michael Landis, Judge James
Cullen, and Judge Farina of the Lancaster County Court of Common Pleas were all involved in U.S.
Sponsored Mind Control before 2004 and before Stan J. Caterbone went public with his
VICTIMIZATION of U.S. Sponsored Mind Control.
Bobby Ray Inman, former director of the National Security Agency (NSA) was on the Board of
Directors of ISC and was involved in U.S. Sponsored Mind Control Technologies through his
company S.A.I.C. Corporation. Bobby Ray Inman would later be selected by Former President Bill
Clinton for his Director of Defense, but would later remove himself due to allegations and public
scrutiny for his role in the ISC scandal.
In the Fall of 1991 Robert Gates was nominated for Director of the Central Intelligence Agency
(CIA) and during his televised confirmation hearings the was subject to brutal array of questions
concerning his participation in the ISC scandal. He went on to be nominated and later would serve
both the Bush Administrations and the Obama Administrations as Secretary of Defense until
resigning in 2011.
There have been at least 3 documented attempts on the life of Stan J. Caterbone; 1987, 1991,
and 2004, all attempts at vehicular homicide. Thomas P. Caterbone's passing in 1996 was the
result of a wrongful death claim by Fulton Bank. Samuel A. Caterbone was most likely an KULTRA
murder tactic in Santa Barbara, California on December 25, 1984. Samuel P. Caterbone was most
likely the result of an MKULTRA murder tactic on July 20,2001 in New York city.
The above finding of facts and evidence corroborates a vast conspiracy and criminal enterprise
that violates both civil and criminal RICO statutes and antitrust statutes.
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The above would constitute treble damages for Stan J. Caterbone and Advanced Media Group in
U.S. District Courts, specifically in the Eastern District for Pennsylvania Case No. 05-2288, 064650, 14-02559, and other related cases; and Case No. 08-13373 in the Lancaster County Court
of Common Pleas.
THE DISCLOSURE
Karen Stewart graduated from Florida State University in 1979 with a BS degree in German
Language and a minor or co-major equivalent in Fine Art. She worked for NSA (National Security
Agency) from 1982 to 2010. Her resume will follow.
Her video interviews can be seen on the following YOUTUBE links:
Wheel of Freedom (WUA) 4/4/16 Ex-NSA Karen Stewart

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExpCL27ft10
NSA whistle blower Karen Stewart exposes targeted Individuals, 9/11

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ravXai6nfMg
On March 9, 2016 I was detained and falsely imprisoned by no less than 8 NSA Security
Police on the barracks of the Headquarters of the NSA at Ft. Meade Maryland. I was handcuffed,
and interrogated for over an hour, while my car was dog sniffed and searched. I was ordered to
return to Lancaster rather than continue on to Washington, D.C., and was ordered not to enter
any federally owned property again. The following is a video of my statement:
Statement and Video of False Imprisonment re Handcuffed and Interrogation for an hour at NSA
Headquarters (National Security Agency at Ft. Meade, Maryland) by 8 NSA Police officers on March
9, 2015 Recorded on March 11, 2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeXlaQn5Nhs
Karen Stewart's resume at the NSA is as follows: I Worked various projects over the
years, not just USSR/Russia, but various countries researching/reporting on foreign military status
and alliances, weapons development and proliferation, the Chernobyl disaster and aftermath, the
fall of the Iron Curtain and changing relations among newly liberated countries, economic and
diplomatic developments of certain target countries. I researched and wrote a series of
intelligence
reports
in
support
of
Operation
Iraqi
Freedom
that
kept
secret
Russian
countermeasures sold to Iraq from wreaking havoc on the American invasion. This ultimately is
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what got me fired because I questioned why my work was used to promote another employee
who had no experience with but, was credited with my work .
The following transcript of an interview by Karen Stewart in which she describes the lethal
electromagnetic weapons and her experience on being on the receiving end was taken from the
article titled NSA Whistleblower Comes Out of the Shadows Into the Light and can be
found at:
http://canadafreepress.com/article/nsa-whistleblower-comes-out-of-the-
shadows-into-the-light
The article was written by Sher Zieve -- Bio and Archives and published March 28, 2016. The
byline is as follows: In February, 2014 I published an interview of an NSA Whistleblower. This is a
follow-up to that column. Due to recent threats to her person and other exigent circumstances,
the Whistleblower has decided to come out of the shadows and into the light. I am honored that
she again chose me to write her story.
KAREN STEWART'S TRANSCRIPT

First of all, the case STEWART V. NSA is a righteous lawsuit, (brought in 2010) meaning
it is a clear case of employer abuse of power and position to an egregious and even premeditated
criminal level meant to circumvent whistleblower protection laws like the No Fear Act. Simply put,
I asked the NSA Inspector General (IG) to investigate why my award-winning intelligence report
series supporting Operation Iraqi Freedom (2003) was used to promote an entirely different
woman twice (2004 & 2005) one who had nothing to do with my reports whatsoever, and was a
known incompetent, but had methodically sexually compromised many of the male managers
within the Weapons & Space (W&S) Directorate. Instead of following correct procedure, the IG
and NSA Security decided to cover up the infraction by attacking me. Threats were made to paint
my complaint as paranoid and to fire me for a non-existent mental illness if I did not drop my
effort to get credit for and the promotion for my own work, given to the wrong woman. These
threats quickly took shape as false accusations against me by the guilty personnel obviously
coached by Security, manifested with stalking harassment masquerading as an investigation by
NSA Security goons from 2006-2009. In late 2010, despite all evidence showing my innocence
from ridiculous and impossible charges, I was fired by an NSA Kangaroo court with a
predetermined agenda. My EEOC appeal (lawsuit) had been accepted for adjudication and the
judge had ordered no adverse action until its adjudication but NSA ignored his orders.
I moved from Columbia, Maryland back to my familys hometown of Tallahassee, Florida in
2011. All was quiet until February 2015 when I instructed the law firm I had hired to subpoena
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evidence from the Maryland Department of Motor Vehicles identifying a burglar (a now retired NSA
Executive) who had broken into my home very shortly after I had tried to make my 2006
Inspector General request for an investigation, and stolen extra house, car, and mail keys as well
as illegally bugging (burst bug) our home and phone/internet to facilitate further harassment and
likely search for blackmail material (no luck for them there).
After the subpoena, I began noticing Security types in Tallahassee following me and photostalking me by March/April. Their license plates suggested Naval Security Group from Pensacola
and NSA Security personnel from Georgia (Augusta) and Texas (San Antonio). A quick check with
the Leon County Sheriffs Department, specifically Duty Officer deputy Canon, confirmed that NSA
also had personnel land at a private airport and deputies had escorted them the the Phipps
property north of Lake Jackson (near where I now live) for a secret exercise, just before the
second round of stalking harassment began. The sequence of events seems to have been for NSA
Security to contact the Naval Security Group in Pensacola, Florida (Headquartered at Ft. Meade,
Maryland along with NSA) to initially stalk and photograph me under ridiculous false pretenses
until NSA could send its own Security personnel to Tallahassee. Once there, under guise of
authority, it appears that NSA enlisted the help of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement
(FDLE) and its civilian group, InfraGard, made up of civilians recruited from their Ride-Along
programs. As usual, NSA personnel fabricated some big lie as to why the civilians should actively
and passively stalk and harass me, and despite quite obvious questions about why laws and due
process were to be completely suspended in my case, the group eagerly jumped at the
opportunity for hundreds to gang up on one person (for Federal money, I may add).
Thus, under NSA tutelage and FDLE auspices, suddenly I was a cast-iron target, meaning
multiple people covered me wherever I was, whatever I did. Cars were even stationed near my
home overnight on rotating shifts, beeping to each other when changing shifts but also for my
benefit. NSA also sought out willing neighbors to augment their snooping and harassment efforts,
which could be anything from hosting an NSA Security goon for accessibility to my property, both
home (to bug and monitor short-distance transmissions) and car (to install and switch out vehicle
GPS trackers to facilitate car stalking and impeding as harassment. ) Those were the active
participants, others not assigned to me on a certain shift were ordered to quickly text in to a
special site the big bad threat to report my location and time I was there. People even snooped
in my shopping carts to be able to tattle to someone about what I was doing, what I was buying.
(God help us, she bought bananas!!! Save the children!).
This was annoying enough but I tried to ignore it because I thought NSA once again was
going for the usual See, shes paranoid, reporting harassment every day now just dismiss her
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lawsuit! But I did report acts of harassment that caused physical damage such as hit
and run, purposely sideswiping my car, (This is exatly what happened to the
PETTITIONER on May 9, 2016 enroute to MEDEXPRESS for pain medications) and
botching the placement/removal of a GPS tracker under my rear spoiler that destroy my
spoiler. (They feared my mechanic would find their tracker so they botched its removal
the night before my appointment). I even made fun of my stalkers when I could, using
my hobby art shop on a popular internet site to create bumper magnets making fun of
them. After all, they were mostly nave, unsophisticated boobs who desperately
imagined that they were little James Bonds and that the greatest existential threat to
their country was a woman waiting for her lawsuit to be decided, living in Tallahassee,
walking her dogs, visiting friends.
In late November 2015, however, NSA apparently decided that I was not
sufficiently being intimidated by their civilian confederacy of dunces to back off my
lawsuit to recover my stolen salary and stolen retirement at the appropriate pay level.
In 2009 I had researched gang-stalking and discovered it was a real and growing
phenomenon, but when electrical harassment was mentioned, I could not really grasp
the concept and wondered about its existence. But I was to find out first hand in
November 2015 that it does exist and is a horrific crime against humanity.
NSA and its operatives started using small, mobile devices called Directed Energy
Weapons (DEWs) against me and my family in the night. These mobile weapons emit
multiple types of electrical emanations from ultrasonic, to microwaves modulated to
radio frequencies, to other kinds of wave variations I cant say I understand yet. Now,
with the help of certain mercenary and morally depraved neighbors, the effort is almost
24/7 now with the intention being torture and slow-kill. These types of weapons over a
lengthy time, cause cancer, autoimmune disease, heart attacks, seizures, strokes, etc.
It is the perfect stealth murder weapon for a corrupt government.
At this point, when we leave the house, a criminal base of stalkers has been
enlisted by NSA to follow us and aim the DEWs at us wherever feasible to increase
exposure in order to speed up death, with the help of the InfraGard dimwits still texting
in my location like good little sheeple.
The Leon County Sheriffs Department as well as the Tallahassee Police

Department are dragging their feet, making excuses, denying any such thing exists, or
insulting me when I try to enlist their help to come up with a strategy to combat this
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new crime before I or one of my family is dead. They cant quite grasp the fact that
this is domestic terrorism and nothing protects the police or any official from this new
weapon held and wielded by criminals. Yet, plenty of recruits in their ranks have
experience using the mobile DEWs in Iraq. It is very interesting to me that the Naval
Security Group headquartered at Ft. Meade with NSA, is also called the Silent
Warriors because they specialize in the use of Directed Energy Weapons. Im sure the
Naval Security Group base in Pensacola has many on hand and may have even gotten a
request from NSA to borrow a few for their secret exercise in Tallahassee.
Clearly, NSA is of the opinion that you do not have Constitutional Rights unless
they say you do. If they use this to get rid of an inconvenient lawsuit such as mine
instead of simply settling for a tenth of the cost of harassment, then they must feel
confident they can murder anyone, anywhere, for any reason and get away with it
including any leader or politician.
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There is no doubt that NSA is now run by sycophants and sociopaths
EXCLUSIVE: Former NSA Employee Speaks Out on its

Corruption Karen Stewart
By Sher Zieve -- Bio and Archives
February 20, 2014
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At the very least, for the past few months to a year it has become increasingly evident that
although not allmany agencies of the US Federal government have become increasingly dirty,
perverse and corrupt and require a deep and thorough cleaning.
The US Secret Service has previously been exposed as including claims of involvement with
prostitutes, leaking sensitive information, publishing pornography, sexual assault, illegal wiretaps,
improper use of weapons and drunken behavior and the IRS was caught and admitted to denying
Obamas political enemies (aka TEA Party, Christians, religious Jews, conservatives) their
Constitutional rights while allowing progressive groups (aka Liberals, Leftists, Marxists, Maoists,
Socialists, Communists) theirs. Andlove him, hate him or fall somewhere in-betweenEdward
Snowden shone a very bright light on the unconstitutional domestic mega-spying of one of these
clandestine agenciesthe National Security Agency. Thus far, under Obamas increasingly iron
rule, few-to-no members of these agencies have even been indicted by Congress for their blatant
crimes against the American people.
The NSA appears to have begun as a patriotic organization that was geared toward protecting the
USA and its citizens. Whether or not that was its original intended purpose is a subject for
discussion and speculation. However, portions of the NSA seem to have devolved into something
very sinister. Todays interview will concentrate on this agency.
NSA Analyst. Due to a number of substantive reasons, this former Analysts identity cannot be
divulged at this time and will be referred to as W. I have, however, confirmed this individuals
prior employment and credentials via a well-known NSA Whistleblower. The information
disseminated to me, amongst other things tells a sordid story of corruption and how employees
are silenced into submissionvia fearwithin the agency,
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The Interview
Sher:Thanks so much for being with me, today, in order to provide essential additional
information to the public on how many of their tax dollars are really being spent. You were
employed by the NSA for over two decades. Would you tell the readers what initially attracted you
to the agency as well as how it has deteriorated over time?
Karen Stewart: Like many people from families with a strong history of serving our country,
coming out of college, I looked to find a way to best utilize my particular interests and talents in
service to my fellow Americans. The mission of the NSA it seemed to me, was to stop threats
coming to our shores. Its charter clearly targeted foreign nationals on foreign soil who did or
could intend us harm. That appealed to me as a righteous endeavor and honorable tack for my life
to take.
Sher: Youve shared with me how the NSA deals with its employees who bring legitimate
complaints to their superiors. How thoroughly intimidating and threatening are their behaviors
toward those who balk at their adverse treatment? Would you give a few examples?
Karen Stewart: Apparently the nature of NSA Security degenerated under General Michael
Hayden, the previous Director of NSA (DIRNSA), who promoted a very questionable mid-level
Security manager to a power position within Security. Hayden had originally been tasked to
eviscerate NSA since a very shallow and short-sighted Congress believed that the fall of the Iron
Curtain meant no danger existed anywhere anymore that required the existence of a robust NSA
presence. There evolved, under him, a gratuitously vicious bully mindset that employees were to
be intimidated at any opportunity not only to drive them out of NSA but to cut back on people
reporting problems that made NSA look bad, especially problems involving upper management.
Under Hayden and his successor, General Keith Alexander, the filing of complaints to or requests
for investigations by the NSA EEO or the OIG (Office of the Inspector General) were often
inexplicably blown off despite adequate evidence or the presence of willing witnesses. Then the
person who had filed the complaint would be subjected to an out of cycle reinvestigation
interview with Security as well as polygraph exam, wherein the tone of the Security person was
not neutralas it should bebut, hostile with far-fetched or even ridiculous non-issues presented
as potentially problematic. This was a Security shot across the bow to warn the person that he
had crossed the line by filing the complaint. If he pursued the complaint, Security would lean on
his managers to heavily discourage him from doing what he thought was proper and was indeed a
protected action under the law. If he persisted, did his own amateur investigation, or told
coworkers about the situation, he might be called down to Security multiple times and accused of
being paranoid and delusional based on his complaint, and his job threatened.
The worse the infraction reported, especially if a high level manager looked to be involved, the
more severe the reaction by Security. In cases of egregious wrong-doing by a manager, Security
would review the personnel files, medical files, and financial statements to find anything they
could use to threaten or blackmail him with, or pretend to misinterpret some tidbit of information
as something it was not.
Some people were forced to sign admissions of guilt of preposterous misinterpretations of facts in
order to keep their jobs, thereby killing their credibility and complaint. When nothing was found in
such files that could be used, a false accusation of espionage or leaking classified materials ginned
up by Security, was used to justify a Security intrusion into the persons home to search for
blackmail material, further assess the interests and personality of the targeted individual (TI), and
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plant bugs and abscond with an extra set of keys for further intrusions. The more the person
objected to being bullied, the more heavy-handed Security became, insisting that hostility toward
them indicated wrong-doing on the TIs part. Thus the TI would become harried and
harassed for a crime he never committed, if it ever even was committed, and to
repeated accusations by Security Psych services of a non-existent mental illness, more
than adequately supported by years of internal, psychological evaluations stating he
was mentally sound (Paranoia with delusions is rare and certainly never occurs
overnight, but that does not deter a Security psychologist attack dog, whose favorite
mode of attack employs reference to this malady).
The more a person stood his ground, the more personal it became to Security, which
then became dedicated to the personal destruction of the TI. Under the pretext of the
fake accusation of espionage or leaking classified information, Security would slander
the individual with his coworkers, work friends and managers to isolate him and apply
yet more pressure. Many backed away from supporting the TI in fear for their careers
and maybe even freedom. Certainly this sent a message to the workforce in the TIs
area that NSA Security was at its essence, a rogue, unaccountable and psychotic entity
that was to be greatly feared.
Once NSA Security had decided upon the removal of the TI for failing to be sufficiently
cowed, then false evidence was given to the FBI liaisons assigned to NSA. This would
engender a fraudulent FISA warrant, which loosed FBI surveillance and investigators
upon the person for a few weeks or months, further slandering him to his work and
social circles and thereby putting pressure on him by their constant presence. When the
FBI would find no basis for the accusation, they would drop the case and move on.
However, at that point, Security would send in their own personnel sans warrant, to
overtly stalk and harass the TI , 24/7.
In some instances, Security has even gone into the persons

neighborhood to recruit snitches and augment harassment
with hostile civilians convinced the TI is an enemy of the state,
based on baseless Security slander.
Intrusions would be made into his home to remove gathered evidence or
move things around as a psychological ploy and his car would be secretly
GPSd to facilitate vehicular stalking and aggressive driving games.
There have even been reports of pet murders by poisoning as an
escalation of the harassment with the inferred threat that perhaps it
could be the TIs child or himself next. The harassment is essentially
elevated until the TI either breaks and assaults a harasser or
complains to Security about the insane and sadistic, not to mention
criminal way in which he is being mistreated. This is what Security
planned for and is ready to jump on as their springboard to terminating
his employment.
His security clearance is immediately pulled, he is warehoused in a menial job until adequate
paperwork and a back-story can be fabricated or forged to falsely present a termination due to
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mental instability or illness, and the person is fired. Of course there is an appeals process, but it is
thoroughly corrupted. No matter how much evidence supports the victim and how little supports
NSA, NSA always wins these cases where it is clear the person was targeted for dismissal. Of
course, this does nothing but embolden more degenerate or criminal behavior while making it
clear that the person reporting evil will be considered the problem, and that in reality no labor
laws or whistle protection laws can actually protect an NSA employee, because real watch dog
entities dont exist within NSA and state and Federal authorities routinely turn a blind eye to the
reported abuses even as they become more criminal and seditious.
I shake my head at sycophant, disingenuous politicians who claim Edward Snowden could have or
should have gone through proper internal authorities to report the abuses and criminal acts
being committed within NSA. Would that be to the thoroughly corrupted, attack dog-watch dog
entities, or the thoroughly oblivious or compromised politicians responsible for oversight who are
in fact, in the NSAs pocket due to bribery, blackmail or stupidity?
Sher: The NSA seems to suffer from the some of the same maladies as did the recent outing
the Secret Service. Without becoming too specific, would you give us a general idea as
advancement for sexual favors that have occurred within the agency? How defeating is that
employees who are simply working to protect the country while their bosses are indulging
sexual liaisons with lower level employees?
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in
Karen Stewart: In my career, promotions were always hard to come by, meted out perhaps
every five years if you were a good or exceptional worker, but male managers discovered that
they held the keys to paradise in regard to attractive or even acceptable women willing to take
shortcuts. These were the women who would make promotions in stunningly rapid succession with
little to no accomplishments - of their own, that is. While others killed themselves with years of
grueling shift work or even multiple dangerous foreign assignments only to find themselves
evaluated as a 3.6 on a scale of 5, when an attractive, morally loose recent college graduate
would receive a 4.8 for essentially alphabetizing a shelf of reference books her first 6 months on
the job. This made many, many people bitter and certainly sent the wrong signal to the hardest
workers and the most talented. Though many stopped being as dedicated to their jobs, others did
indeed press ahead and worked tirelessly knowing their reward was the mission accomplished and
not likely appropriate recognition. Capable men despaired of receiving deserved promotions and
women almost feared being promoted for exceptional work, fearing they would be assumed to be
one of the typically incapable promotion bimbos among the bloated management. Expertise and
knowledge became commodities to guard and not share with new workers, fearing you would not
reap the benefits of your own work. This of course created a situation where expertise and insight
must be gained and regained from scratch, losing precious time training up area or target experts
to the detriment of the mission.
It was very discouraging to see immature or degenerate bosses spending their time flirting and
chasing skirts, the very same people who were charged with competently reviewing your work,
(keeping apprised of the big picture so people felt free to specialize their research), and whose
responsibility it was to accurately and honestly represent their people before promotion boards.
But the atmosphere of secrecy, the strict laws about divulging names of NSA employees or
anything that occurred there, emboldened certain men to believe that their wives and families
would never know of their indiscretions, and turned work time into play time for them. And now
apparently young males are also being pursued as sexual toys. One has to wonder what is being
missed in the realm of highly perishable intelligence leads by distracted managerial incompetents.
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Sher: As an additional example of NSA intimidation, one of the things youd said may be shared is
your experience with the 3 Amigos. Would you tell us about them?
Karen Stewart:There were three eccentric looking older males who were often seen in the NSA
OPS1 cafeteria together, whom we also got to know by word of mouth, as master electricians wellversed in computer science. They were nicknamed by some in the analyst field as Rasputin,
Santa, and Choo Choo or the engineer, due to their highly unusual appearances and dress.
One eye witness being harassed on yet another NSA Security retaliatory witch hunt, reported
seeing one of these men at her home, on her property, when she discovered indications that her
home had been broken into, her cable box broken into, and her phone hacked, leaving tell-tale
clicking sounds at regular intervals whenever she used her phone. Any phone tap done by warrant
is done at the carriers hub under their auspices and will not click, only illegal hack jobs click.
She noted him not only as a trespasser being somewhere he should not have been, but
recognized him by his highly unusual appearance from work. When she attempted to look him up
in the NSA data base by career specialty, she found that what should have been his photo, which
should have been a source of pride since he was of the rank to be a Flag Badger (Manager whose
rank is senior enough to garner a photo with the American flag in the background), was instead a
photo of a desert animal called a Meercat indicating that he wanted his identity hidden from the
general NSA population.
Sher: With regards to many who have said that the NSAs collection of meta-data on all forms of
communication between legal citizens of the USA is unconstitutional, also indicated is the fact that
not one terrorist act has been stopped by said collection. It appears good old-fashioned police
work is what still gets the perp. In your opinion, is this accurate?
Karen Stewart: I think it is indeed true that the meta data collection ruse within the USA
distracts from tried and true research and investigation, which the latter method apparently DID
INDEED uncover the 9/11 plot months before it happened, well in time to have prevented it,
according to two separate analysts with whom I have spoken, one just two days after 9/11 as he
broke down and sobbed his heart out, repeating We could have saved them! We could have
saved them! But they wouldnt let us report it!, and the other several years later, who maintained
the same story of being threatened and forbidden to report any warning about 9/11, then being
harassed and fired for a non-existent mentally illness. However, it is a good means to track your
political enemies and detractors and their affiliates within the US - for future reference? It would
appear much more for the self-preservation and expansion of NSA as the ubiquitous Orwellian Big
Brother than for the protection of the USA. With the power the NSA wields, it could easily
influence border control issues and immigration issues to make us not as susceptible to terrorist
intrusions and infiltrations, but that would undermine their power grab and expansion within the
US, something never intended at NSAs creation - and for good reason.
Sher:As a former long time employee of the NSA, what do you believeif anythingcan be done
to correct the problems within the agency?
Karen Stewart:There is no doubt that NSA is now run by those sycophants and sociopaths who
are the least desirable to have in any position of such sensitivity and trust and are purging NSA
ranks of people with integrity. Compromising activity that would rightfully cost you your clearance,
is now viewed as intrinsic perks of the job once you reach a certain pay grade. These lesser
leaders have turned NSA into an American Gestapo Wanna-Be agency. NSA lost its way with nonserious super grade playboys not mature enough for the responsibility of the job of managing and
directing NSA, compounding the problem by promoting sycophants to protect their backs as well
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as lightweights with whom to have sexcapades behind office doors, but in that group also has
risen opportunistic sociopaths and psychopaths attracted to more and more power, any way they
can get it, and by conniving and ruthlessness have blown past incompetent, distracted
management to change the very nature of the NSA from watchman to the American people to
jack booted prison guard.
If the Legislative Branch is possessed of anyone with the least bit of courage and common sense,
they would demand super clearances for those on the Intelligence Oversight Committees so that
years or decades of abusive behaviors, kingdom building, or even crimes can not continually be
swept under the rug by telling these particular politicians, You dont have the need to know, just
trust us. Obviously, they cannot be trusted. An appointment to that Committee would of course
have to become much more exclusive, requiring a thorough vetting as any job with a Top Secret
clearance should. But to deal with the toxic management at NSA now, I would require every Flag
Badger and Security manager to account for himself and what he adds to the mission. If he is
pork, retire him or require him to laterally transfer to another agency. Before that however, I
would require that every single Flag Badger and every Security group manager take a polygraph
by non-NSA affiliated or non-NSA sympathetic sources to account for the millions of dollars
wasted on their vicious and illegal war on NSA employees who dutifully report fraud, waste, abuse
as well as sexual predation and treason. Those who are found to be guilty of such things as
falsifying accusations against innocent employees; fabricating false witnesses and evidence;
engaging in illegal acts of breaking and entering; falsifying FISA warrant justifications; lying to the
FBI about a targeted victims criminality; falsifying psychological assessments; subverting lie
detector exams by screaming at the targeted subject during or just before the exam to create
false impressions of guilt; hiding or destroying exonerating evidence supporting their victims
claims; intimidating or roughing up witnesses; coordinating or participating in criminal stalking
and harassment activities, illegal break-ins, illegal wire taps, organizing and paying civilian groups
under the table to augment harassment of targeted employees, and lastly, conspiring to effect or
cover up any or all of these actions. And any NSA employee in that group who pleads the 5th,
should be fired and stripped of his retirement since this type of betrayal rots a country from
within. NSA must be recreated, and returned to the stated task in their founding charter of
focusing on foreign enemies overseas.
Sher: W, so much of the information youve provided is truly astounding! Thanks so much for
being with us today and I hope youll be available for another should ongoing events require one.
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1NSA Whistleblower Comes Out of the Shadows Into the Light Karen Stewarty
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March 28, 2016
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In February, 2014 I published an interview of an NSA Whistleblower. This is a follow-up to that
column. Due to recent threats to her person and other exigent circumstances, the Whistleblower
has decided to come out of the shadows and into the light. I am honored that she again chose me
to write her story.
Her name is Karen Stewart Karen Stewart

BIO
Education
Freshman year - Schiller College, Strasbourg, Fr.
Sophomore - Senior years, graduated from Florida State University (79)
BS in German Language and a minor or co-major equivalent in fine art
Work History: 1982-2010 NSA (National Security Agency

Underwent initial retraining from 1982 - 83, on the job training to become a linguist in a needed
foreign language (chosen to train in depth in Russian since my college major, German was not in
demand but I had also studied Russian and French with good results).
Worked various projects over the years, not just USSR/Russia, but various countries
researching/reporting on foreign military status and alliances, weapons development and
proliferation, the Chernobyl disaster and aftermath, the fall of the Iron Curtain and changing
relations among newly liberated countries, economic and diplomatic developments of certain
target countries. I researched and wrote a series of intelligence reports in support of Operation
Iraqi Freedom that kept secret Russian countermeasures sold to Iraq from wreaking havoc on the
American invasion. This ultimately is what got me fired because I questioned why my work was
used to promote another employee who had no experience with but, was credited with my work.
Note...Due to the Top Secret nature of the work, the above summary is slightly vague, by design.
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The Interview
Sher: Karen, thanks for taking the time to speak with me and its so good to have you back and
this time under your name! As a Whistleblower, what finally made you decide to come out from
the shadows?
Karen: I always intended to link my name with my story because it is a story that needs to be
told, but since I have a lawsuit against NSA (technically an appeal of an unlawful, employer
action, i.e. my termination at the 28 point year of my career for trying to request an investigation
by the NSA Inspector General), sitting under a gag order demanded by NSA, on the docket at the
Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) in Baltimore, I could not do so without risking
the adjudication going against me for that reason alone. However, in 2015 NSA Security made the
decision to yet again engage in a massive slander campaign against me in my new location, thus
breaking its own gag order so I feel no compunction to be held to a standard required by the
EEOC judge at NSAs request that NSA itself clearly holds in utter contempt.
Sher: Since we last talked, a lot has happened with you. You have refused to drop your
discrimination lawsuit against the NSA and have shared with me that the agency has stepped up
its efforts against youpersonally.
Youre now being stalked by what appear to be NSA operatives. Is that correct? As you reported to
me they, also, seem to be using electronic emanation technology to both stop and damage you. I
believe former NSA employee and Whistleblower Russel Tice reported on this, also. This is really
deep dark side information. Would you tell the readers what theyre doing to you, [possibly]
others and why?
Karen: First of all, the case STEWART V. NSA is a righteous lawsuit, (brought in 2010) meaning
it is a clear case of employer abuse of power and position to an egregious and even premeditated
criminal level meant to circumvent whistleblower protection laws like the No Fear Act. Simply put,
I asked the NSA Inspector General (IG) to investigate why my award-winning intelligence report
series supporting Operation Iraqi Freedom (2003) was used to promote an entirely different
woman twice (2004 & 2005) one who had nothing to do with my reports whatsoever, and was a
known incompetent, but had methodically sexually compromised many of the male managers
within the Weapons & Space (W&S) Directorate. Instead of following correct procedure, the IG
and NSA Security decided to cover up the infraction by attacking me. Threats were made to paint
my complaint as paranoid and to fire me for a non-existent mental illness if I did not drop my
effort to get credit for and the promotion for my own work, given to the wrong woman. These
threats quickly took shape as false accusations against me by the guilty personnel obviously
coached by Security, manifested with stalking harassment masquerading as an investigation by
NSA Security goons from 2006-2009. In late 2010, despite all evidence showing my innocence
from ridiculous and impossible charges, I was fired by an NSA Kangaroo court with a
predetermined agenda. My EEOC appeal (lawsuit) had been accepted for adjudication and the
judge had ordered no adverse action until its adjudication but NSA ignored his orders.
I moved from Columbia, Maryland back to my familys hometown of Tallahassee, Florida in 2011.
All was quiet until February 2015 when I instructed the law firm I had hired to subpoena evidence
from the Maryland Department of Motor Vehicles identifying a burglar (a now retired NSA
Executive) who had broken into my home very shortly after I had tried to make my 2006
Inspector General request for an investigation, and stolen extra house, car, and mail keys as well
as illegally bugging (burst bug) our home and phone/internet to facilitate further harassment and
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likely search for blackmail material (no luck for them there).
After the subpoena, I began noticing Security types in Tallahassee following me and photo-stalking
me by March/April. Their license plates suggested Naval Security Group from Pensacola and NSA
Security personnel from Georgia (Augusta) and Texas (San Antonio). A quick check with the Leon
County Sheriffs Department, specifically Duty Officer deputy Canon, confirmed that NSA also had
personnel land at a private airport and deputies had escorted them the the Phipps property north
of Lake Jackson (near where I now live) for a secret exercise, just before the second round of
stalking harassment began. The sequence of events seems to have been for NSA Security to
contact the Naval Security Group in Pensacola, Florida (Headquartered at Ft. Meade, Maryland
along with NSA) to initially stalk and photograph me under ridiculous false pretenses until NSA
could send its own Security personnel to Tallahassee. Once there, under guise of authority, it
appears that NSA enlisted the help of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE) and its
civilian group, InfraGard, made up of civilians recruited from their Ride-Along programs. As
usual, NSA personnel fabricated some big lie as to why the civilians should actively and passively
stalk and harass me, and despite quite obvious questions about why laws and due process were to
be completely suspended in my case, the group eagerly jumped at the opportunity for hundreds
to gang up on one person (for Federal money, I may add).
Thus, under NSA tutelage and FDLE auspices, suddenly I was a cast-iron target, meaning
multiple people covered me wherever I was, whatever I did. Cars were even stationed near my
home overnight on rotating shifts, beeping to each other when changing shifts but also for my
benefit. NSA also sought out willing neighbors to augment their snooping and harassment efforts,
which could be anything from hosting an NSA Security goon for accessibility to my property, both
home (to bug and monitor short-distance transmissions) and car (to install and switch out vehicle
GPS trackers to facilitate car stalking and impeding as harassment. ) Those were the active
participants, others not assigned to me on a certain shift were ordered to quickly text in to a
special site the big bad threat to report my location and time I was there. People even snooped
in my shopping carts to be able to tattle to someone about what I was doing, what I was buying.
(God help us, she bought bananas!!! Save the children!).
This was annoying enough but I tried to ignore it because I thought NSA once again was going for
the usual See, shes paranoid, reporting harassment every day now just dismiss her lawsuit!
But I did report acts of harassment that caused physical damage such as hit and run, purposely
sideswiping my car, and botching the placement/removal of a GPS tracker under my rear spoiler
that destroy my spoiler. (They feared my mechanic would find their tracker so they botched its
removal the night before my appointment). I even made fun of my stalkers when I could, using
my hobby art shop on a popular internet site to create bumper magnets making fun of them. After
all, they were mostly nave, unsophisticated boobs who desperately imagined that they were
little James Bonds and that the greatest existential threat to their country was a woman waiting
for her lawsuit to be decided, living in Tallahassee, walking her dogs, visiting friends.
In late November 2015, however, NSA apparently decided that I was not
sufficiently being intimidated by their civilian confederacy of dunces to back off
my lawsuit to recover my stolen salary and stolen retirement at the appropriate
pay level. In 2009 I had researched gang-stalking and discovered it was a
real and growing phenomenon, but when electrical harassment was
mentioned, I could not really grasp the concept and wondered about its
existence. But I was to find out first hand in November 2015 that it does exist
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and is a horrific crime against humanity.
NSA and its operatives started using small, mobile devices called Directed
Energy Weapons (DEWs) against me and my family in the night. These mobile
weapons emit multiple types of electrical emanations from ultrasonic, to
microwaves modulated to radio frequencies, to other kinds of wave variations I
cant say I understand yet. Now, with the help of certain mercenary and
morally depraved neighbors, the effort is almost 24/7 now with the intention
being torture and slow-kill. These types of weapons over a lengthy time, cause
cancer, autoimmune disease, heart attacks, seizures, strokes, etc. It is the
perfect stealth murder weapon for a corrupt government. At this point, when
we leave the house, a criminal base of stalkers has been enlisted by NSA to
follow us and aim the DEWs at us wherever feasible to increase exposure in
order to speed up death, with the help of the InfraGard dimwits still texting in
my location like good little sheeple.
The Leon County Sheriffs Department as well as the Tallahassee Police Department are dragging
their feet, making excuses, denying any such thing exists, or insulting me when I try to enlist
their help to come up with a strategy to combat this new crime before I or one of my family is
dead. They cant quite grasp the fact that this is domestic terrorism and nothing protects the
police or any official from this new weapon held and wielded by criminals. Yet, plenty of recruits in
their ranks have experience using the mobile DEWs in Iraq. It is very interesting to me that the
Naval Security Group headquartered at Ft. Meade with NSA, is also called the Silent Warriors
because they specialize in the use of Directed Energy Weapons. Im sure the Naval Security Group
base in Pensacola has many on hand and may have even gotten a request from NSA to borrow a
few for their secret exercise in Tallahassee.
Clearly, NSA is of the opinion that you do not have Constitutional Rights unless they say you do. If
they use this to get rid of an inconvenient lawsuit such as mine instead of simply settling for a
tenth of the cost of harassment, then they must feel confident they can murder anyone,
anywhere, for any reason and get away with itincluding any leader or politician.
Sher: Why in the world do you think the NSA simply didnt settle the suit? With all of the
documentation you have, it seems that they are guilty of the discrimination and could have spent
far less of the taxpayers money to simply pay you off and make it go away. They would, also,
have avoided this coming out into the open. Are they that arrogant and Narcissistic?
Karen: This has truly NEVER made any sense to me or any of my friends, even those who worked
at NSA. NSA could have investigated, claimed a mistake had been made and retroactively
promoted me without even addressing the unethical behavior of W&S personnel. Instead, the IG
refused to investigate, illegally of course, but I could not have made him do his job. Plus, the
guilty were instructed to blame me for what turned out to be the first leak by ex-NSA executive
Thomas Drake, despite the fact that I had no access to, knowledge of or training in the type of
material he leaked (computer technology) and he was identified as the source of that leak six
months before I was fired. The polygraph section of Security actively tried to sabotage my
polygraph exams in response to the false counter-accusation by inappropriately screaming and
threatening me, making it impossible to pass a polygraph, which ruined my first polygraph in this
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regard though I passed the next two of the three given in reaction to the false accusation.
The EEOC is capped at $300,000 actual damages, no punitive allowed. My intention was to get the
lost difference in my wages as a GS-12 when I should have been a GS-14, and to get the
appropriate level of retirement. Yet, clearly, NSA has spent millions organizing and paying civilians
(and greasing the palms of crooked law enforcement) to harass, bully, intimidate,and quite
obviously viciously slander me.
Do they engage in such psychopathic behavior because they can? Because they simply have no
real oversight? The operational head of NSA Security is indeed rumored far and wide to be an
actual psychopath who is obsessed with paintings of Dantes Inferno.
A coworker who worked in NSA Human Resources says she remembered when the resumes of
inappropriate people (criminals, perverts, mentally unstable) were automatically thrown away but
suddenly when General Hayden, a former NSA Director, promoted this particular man, the
resumes of thieves, moral degenerates, etc., were then coveted by Security. She said that she
was so upset that she had to find a different job. I did read an opinion on the Anti-polygraph site
that NSA Security leadership, and hence all of Security in essence, could be said to suffer from
Dark Triad personality disorder, which is a dangerous combination of such things as (malignant)
narcissism, sociopathy, etc. Their egos are such that they are obsessed with winning at all costs
even fighting to keep a known false accusation from being proven false by their victim, because
they exist in their own projected narrative. They exist in their own lies and cannot stand being
exposed. This means they follow their own agendas. What is good for NSA Security leadership,
even at the cost of NSA or the USA. Their allegiances are to themselves. This has made me
wonder, of late, if the woman who Security protected instead of reprimanding or firing for sexually
compromising W&S management was not a Security plant, meant to do just that. And, in so
doing, was NSA Security procuring a means to blackmail these managers for themselves or
another entity, perhaps foreign?
Sher: You have multiple photos and even drawings youve made of you stalkers. Youve also
indicated to me that the NSA has been in touch with your local law enforcement. Said law
enforcement is siding with the NSA against youa private citizen. What do your attorneys have to
say about these?
Karen: At the beginning of my search for a law firm to take my case, Melville Johnson PC
informed me that I had potentially two cases, in 2009, an employment law case and a criminal
case. I could only afford to pursue the employment case since I was facing illegal termination on
false pretenses within a few months. While my lawyers have recorded the information about the
new assault campaign by NSA in Florida, thus far their pleas with the EEOC for some kind of
response because their client is now in physical danger have been completely ignored.
What has been going on in Florida is entirely criminal and could be a separate lawsuit, to even
include law enforcement in regard to their depraved negligenceif not complicity. But, at the
moment, I am concerned with surviving the relentless Directed Energy Weapons assaults. If I do
not, then my family will have to consider a wrongful death lawsuit against NSA, FBI (that refuse to
get involved because NSA is involved), and the FDLE, the TPD and Leon County Sheriffs
Department as well as certain complicit neighbors accepting a new riding mower or new carpeting
in exchange for helping NSA murder an inconvenient person who actually thought she had any
Constitutional, human, or Civil Rights.
Sher: With regards to your lawsuit, what are your current plans?
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Karen: Good question. Reporting and recording the new barrage of assaults has whittled deeply
into my retainer. This was hard enough to maintain after spending about $110,000, thus far, and
often countering ridiculous and frivolous legal shenanigans by NSA to waste my money. With an
outrageously unresponsive EEOC, which may indeed be a complete and obscene sham for show,
one wonders why continue with the pretense that we exist as a nation of laws? Clearly, we do
not.
The government has no desire for a level playing field to impede its quest for complete tyranny.
We are now a nation of wolves and sheeple. Im sure that after getting wind of this article, NSA
will come to the EEOC with big crocodile tears claiming they need to win by default because I
broke the gag order after they themselves spent millions, bald-faced lying to thousands of
civilians, law enforcement and (apparently) the FBI about me, invoking National Security Letters
to swear them to secrecy and to hide the true nature of their faux secret exercise in Tallahassee
i.e., enticing a foolish community to stalk, harass and commit murder for Big Brother.
But, God forbid the victim would speak out!
It truly sickens me that I spent my career trying to protect and serve my fellow Americans when
not only my government but these unworthy mercenary, sociopaths have stabbed me in the back.
Some of the stalkers have even been Iraqi War veteranssome of whom might not have returned
alive without my reports.
I cant think a lot about the lawsuit with each nocturnal assault leaving me wondering if I or one
of my family will not wake up tomorrow. Im sentenced to death for being a patriot. What a
country. I read Psalm 91 & 94 nightly, praying God will want to erase this growing evil from our
country. But, I also remember that Ruth Graham said a while ago, if God doesnt judge America,
Hell have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah.
Americans are just not the people they and we used to be and, therefore, our leaders are either
apathetic cowards who tolerate evil or potentially monsters like NSA Securitywho show that they
can be and are not responsible to anyone but themselves.
Is NSA Security even able to be reined in anymore? Or would any potential leader be found dead
of a microwave induced heart attack if he tried to? Someone ought to care but I may not be
around long enough to see it.
Sher: Thanks you so much for all youve done and I sincerely hope and pray youre wrong, Karen.
Its individuals like you who founded the United States of America on Godly principles and an
unwavering sense of ethics.
*Karen may be contacted for interviews at kams56@ME.com
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THE INVESTIGATIVE JOURNAL

StanJ. Caterbone
ADVANCED MEDIA GROUP
Freedom From Covert Harassment &
Surveillance,
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Greg Szymanskis Interview

With Julianne McKinney
Microwave Harassment and Mind Control
Transcribed for Advanced Media Group,
05/28/16
This interview contains information from Julianne McKinneys book Microwave Harassment and Mind
Control Experimentation, 1992, as well as current conditions world-wide. Years of interviews turned
Gregg Szymanski from skeptic to believer in the secret world of electronic harassment, as harassment
against Julianne McKinney has turned potentially lethal. They are taking a stand to help TIs, Targeted
Individuals, many civilians, escape this cruel harassment.
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TRANSCRIPT OF GREG SZYMANSKIS INTERVIEW WITH JULIANNE MCKINNEY

ON MICROWAVE HARASSMENT AND MIND CONTROL
Published May 28, 2016
Greg Szymanski: (Also) I have a guest whos never given a radio interview before. Her name is
Julianne McKinney. For those of you who dont know who she is, she is an expert in electronic
harassment and surveillanceformer military background. And those of you who have followed
this story on my show, many may know who she is and the importance she has in this field.
Were just going to lay some very solid credibility to what weve been talking about. So this
interviews quite important and I want you to remember that, as we go along, shes a very, very
well-read person. Were gonna get to that in a minute. The problem on the use of electronic
weaponry on a person was when I was working in a law office. The law office I was working for
severaloh a number of years ago, the law office I worked for prided in taking cases that were
difficult. And I listened to a person tell me about the facts regarding the use of electronic
weaponry. And I had a discussion with somebody else at the law firm and we came to this
conclusion causation causation causation Greg, remember that element. Its going to be
awfully difficult to link whats happening to the person. The injuries they were alleging, to actually
the person, or the defendants, that were doing it.
So it was a case, Ill be very honest with you, that I was very skeptical over. But, as a journalist, I
started to interview a number of people, and I would like to say that this issue, after a number of
years, has come up to one of the top of my list as a problem in this country.
I talked to hundreds of people all around the country that are experiencing things that are just
unbelievable. And from a standpoint of the law, you want to get justice for these people. You hate
to see their lives destroyed, and you hate to see what happens, to a person thats been harassed.
But the biggest problem is its very difficult to pinpoint whats going on.
I have a guest today who is an expert in this field. You, the public, may not know who she is. But
those of you who have been targeted and listen to my show know very well. Shes never been
interviewed before and I feel honored that shes here. Her name is Julianne McKinney. Shes had
an extensive career in the US Army as an Area Intelligence Case Officer till 1990.
Upon her return to civilian life Julianne became a member of the Association of National Security
Alumni. That is an organization of former intelligence officers dedicated to exposing excesses by
the US Intelligence Services. Julianne became the director of the Electronic Surveillance Project
under their auspices as such she authored the publication Microwave Harassment and Mind
Control Experimentation in 1991. She kept that electronic surveillance project going for four
years, funding it with her own personal funds, obtained by her military benefits and pay.
Julianne did not copy write her work and it is out in the public domain for the public good.
Microwave Harassment and Mind Control Experimentation, the public has taken her hard copy
publication and uploaded it to several thousand domain sites over the past 15 years. It is
respected as one of the most important publications on this subject. And with that, Id like to say
hello, Ms. McKinney, how are you today?
Julianne McKinney: Please dont call me Ms. McKinney (laugh).
Greg: Okay, can I say Julianne?
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Julianne: Yes, Julianne.

Greg: Now, youre an expert in surveillance and electronic harassment. The first question I have
is that, in your observation, is there a wider scale of surveillance of average people, people with
no threat to national security, in your estimation?
Julianne: I would say that most of us targeted are not, and never have been, a threat. I think
that what happened initially, when these operations began probably 30 years, ago people were
singled out, perhaps, because of some affiliation, either direct or indirect, with the United States
government, and invited attention. But they were not singled out as being a threat; they were
singled out as being lucrative targets of experimentation.
In the past 15 years, since shutting down the Electronic Surveillance Project, primarily to seek
employment, which I did seek, and did obtain, I had occasion to observe many, many, many
instances of individuals in the corporate environment being singled out and targeted simply
because they were convenient targets of opportunity. And, I have to comment on something I
heard you say
Greg: Okay
Julianne:
claims.
Early on you referred to the difficulty of establishing causation in order to pursue these
Greg: That, I might add, that was made is a legal sense, based on the fact that we were nave
people, not really understand I have to be honest with youI had not understood the problem
back then, and felt it would be a difficult problem, based on the fact of how the crime was
committed and knowing how to pin that crime on someone. Go ahead.
Julianne: I understand the legal implications, certainly. There is enough literature, on the internet
and elsewhere, that establishes the existence of these weapon systems. To pinpoint, for purposes
of prosecution, to pinpoint their existence would be difficult and the position I take is that rather
than pinpoint for prosecution purposes, easy enough to single them out by electronic means to
destroy them. But I guess thats taking the matter a little far left field.
I think, frankly, we still face, until congress establishes laws that forbid the use of these
technologies for involuntary experimental purposes, that were going to get absolutely nowhere in
attempting to prosecute.
Greg: Okay, listen, I need to take a break Julianne. And well be back in three minutes on the
Investigative Journal.
Julianne: Okay.
Greg: Okay, back for the second half hour. My guest is Julianne McKinney. Shes an expert on
surveillance and electronic harassment. And Julianne, I gave you an introduction at the beginning
of the show.
Julianne: Yes
Greg: A brief introduction. But I think our listeners would like to know your background and why
youre qualified to make these statements. I think its important.
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Julianne: Okay.
Greg: If you could do that for us.
Julianne: Well, I would take exception to the term expert in these weapons systems.
Greg: Okay.
Julianne:
I certainly have had experience with them, having, for approximately the past 40
years, been on the receiving end of this type of harassment. Expertise in surveillance comes with
my employment in the intelligence field. I understand what constitutes surveillance and am
capable of immediately spotting the surveillance and I can see, as in the case of gang stalking, a
subject that you have addressed on prior occasions. I can see those who I label as covert want-tobes fumbling through what they think are covert activities and Id find it really rather amusing if it
werent so perverted in the ultimate objective.
Im not certain what more I can add. I do have experience with these weapon systems. Ive had
sufficient opportunity over these past many years to observe the progressive threat of these
harassment operations. And Im talking specifically about electronic weapon systems.
Greg: Well, youve been a voice - I mean a strong voice - for warning people of these systems for
at least the past 10 years regarding the installation of specialized electronic equipment and
utilities. What are these electronics and what are their capabilities?
Julianne: Their capabilities, generally, are to inflict pain in a highly focused fashion, and to alter
mental states. Certainly, when you have a frequency aimed at your brain, your mental functions
tend to alter. In amplified form, theyre sufficient, the frequencies are. They have the capacity to
kill. Though thats one reason the department of defense refers to them as less than lethal
rather than non-lethal weapons. As a matter of fact, the Department of Defense has gone so far
to eliminate them, to remove them from the category of even less than lethal weapons to bury
them in the category of electronic weapons trying to make them a little bit blacker.
Greg:
Now is this protocol of surveillance and harassment seemingly patterned after a
government protocol now applied to the general civilian population?
Julianne: Its difficult to pinpoint everything on the US government exclusively because these are
global operations.
Greg: Okay.
Julianne: The pattern the protocols, are virtually identical on a global scale so someone is
overseeing the entire activity. The government obviously is complicent because otherwise these
operations would not be allowed to exist. Why? Its hard to say. Whether its for testing electronic
weapon systems for future use under combat conditions or whether ultimately there's a holocaust.
(no-intelligible) Its hard to say.
Greg: Well, you know what I find interesting.how people who arent aware of this problem cant
believe its happening to begin with. And I try to mentionI have run stories about the Duplessis
Orphans. Its a program thats been verified, that the government actually used money in Canada
and the United States to do medical testing on children, on adults. Ive talked to people on the
POW issue, one Dr. Joe Douglas, who has documented how, that our government has done
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allowed foreign governments to do illegal experimentation on POWs. So why would people think
that they wouldnt allow it on just average citizens? Just in your mind. Do you have an answer for
people?
Julianne: Why wouldnt they allow it?
Greg: Yeah, my thing is that they do it, theyre doing it. But some people that deny it cant
believe that our government would do something like this.
Julianne: I find, even among the community of, I hate using slang terms, but the term TI is
common, referring to targeted individuals. Those are people who know they are on the receiving
end of electronic weapon systems. And even amongst TIs, there is a perception in certain areas
that our government wouldnt do this; a case of not recognizing reality. First of all if this were not
being done by our government, congress would step in because of the hundreds of complaints
they have received, thousands of complaints, no doubt, over the past 10-15 years, from citizens
who recognize whats going on. Congress, back in the early 90s, late 80s, took the position that
anyone complaining about these systems were imagining things because they simply didnt exist.
In two years, by 1992, they were off the drawing boards, and in fact, being fielded and conveyed
to law enforcement agencies.
Congress recognizes that these weapon systems exist and funds them, and knows, as a result of
appropriate briefings, what the bio-effects can be. Yet they have passed no legislation prohibiting
their use under unconstrained experimental circumstances.
Thats number 1. Number 2, given the nature, given the nature, given that the systems draw on
existing power grids, it would be necessary for the FCC at a minimum, and the Department of
Energy, as a minimum, give some oversight and control over what is going on. Though obviously,
those with Congress, the FDA and the Department of Energy, the FCC and the Department of
Energy are knowledgeable and yet unwilling to do anything about it. So, there is complicity, but
the question is, whos knitting, and submitting, the US government, allowing these operations to
take place?
Greg: Now from your experience, how intense is this surveillance of targeted individuals? And tell
us about the ways that the targeted that this is accomplished.
Julianne: From what I have observed, first of all I should explain that the standard that I address
this in Microwave Harassment and Mind Control Experimentation, it was a pattern that was
unfolding as I was dealing with other targeted individuals whothat contacted me. It was a
pattern of harassment which indicated that there had been some surveillance going on, some
monitoring of their private lives. There had been entry into their houses. There was systematic
harassment. And then, ultimately, as part of a softening up process, and then ultimately,
electronic harassment, which followed; which would include the inducement of auditory input,
which is now being referred to as Z2K.
In answer to your question (laugh) Im not certain if I I think Im probably missing the point
there, but in order to target someone, it requires that that person be put under surveillance, so
that their personality traits, their capacity to inter- relate with people, their capacity for corruption
or non-corruption, that seems to be a critical point. And even their religion factors into it.
Following a period of harassments, they are singled out for preliminary stages of harassment
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which includes gang stalking, entry of their private homes or apartments, followed by gradually
intensified and ultimately extremely intensified electronic harassment. This is the pattern that has
unfolder over and over and over.
Greg: And so, when you, I guess what Im getting atthats a very good answer. Youre seeing a
pattern amongst these individuals. I guessyeahis there any pattern about how they choose
them?
Julianne: I cant speak for men. But it appears that quite a few of the women who have been
singled out appear to be somewhat, too independent; perhaps too intelligent. Tend to live alone or
tend to pursue professional careers. Theres a heavy predominance of those types of women in
the TI community, the community of targeted individuals. Men are in a smaller proportion and
seem to be those who have a propensity to fly off the handle. Have a sense of self-esteem and
pride that seems to invite targeting. And I did mention a curious predominance of a certain lack of
religion amongst TIs, as opposed to a certain predominance of a particular religion amongst those
who are participating in these operations.
Greg: Now you mentioned this was a global problem. Have you communicated with people from
across the Atlantic regarding whats going on in other countries? Is it similar to here?
Julianne: Its virtually identical, virtually identical. When I was running the electronic surveillance
project I was in extensive correspondence with people overseas and patterns were the same. The
nature of the gang stalking and harassment were the same.
Greg: Now, when youre talking about specific numbers I know youreyouve been following this
for years and years and years. Is there any way that you can give our listeners a kind of an idea
of how wide spread this problem is in terms numbers in our country and compared to maybe
overseas?
Julianne: I would say that the person who has realized what is going on is just a drop in a bucket.
The persons whom I have seen being targeted are completely unaware of whats happening. So
those who are complaining of this are, as I said, the tip of the iceberg. I would say this is very,
very, widespread. But I cannot under the circumstances come up with any figures. Many, many,
many thousands, no doubt, are involved. But I would say that the bulk of them are running to
their doctors and taking totally unnecessary prescription drugs to cure ailments that dont exist.
Gregg: I guess that you have to ask this question even though its very difficult to answer. And
you mentioned, you said it earlier. But I really have to ask it because its on my mind and I know
its always in the back of everyones mind when they think of this problem. Why?? What is the
major reason, I mean, outside of just pure experimentation Im interested; for example, lets
say that they have targeted 100 people in Oklahoma. What do they, first of all, why are they
doing it? Is it for, basically, a blanket statement controlling the population? Orand, what do they
do with this information once they get it?
Julianne: I dont think they do anything with the information once they get it, other than to
establish a harassment protocol which will follow that targeted individual for the rest of his or her
life. Why are they doing it? I see a number of reasons. First, I dont know if youve done any
research on the phenomenon of capturing a percentage of the population in order to install a
dictatorship. There is always a percentage of the population, roughly 20% or so, that will buckle
and throw whatever constitutions might exist into the toilet and eagerly join the efforts at
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destroying the remainder of the population.

Part of the problem or part of the objective they are seeking obviously is testing the latest and
greatest in electronic weaponry and other forms of technologies. A part of it is to control and
choreograph those who are involved in these harassment operations on the dispensing end. And it
would appear that those being targeted are simply objects who I see as ultimately being
disposable. In other words, I think that once full control is established over a major percentage of
the population, and enough of the population is silenced and unwilling to stick their necks out,
that we inevitably would be heading toward a holocaust.
Greg: The question, if I was, for example, lets say we have a person, who suspects, and lets just
for hypothetical purposes, say this person is being targeted, okay? Now, tell our listeners, because
Ive always wondered this myself, okay. Im sitting in my house and I see around me theres
telephone poles, there may be a tower in the distance that I dont see that handles the cell
phones. Theres of course a grid of electric going on around me. Ive talked to people and I try to
say, how does this get into your house? And I wanted to get your opinion, if a person is targeted,
how basically are they beginning to intrude their premises, and violate their constitutional rights,
not only their rights ofnot only trespassing on their property? Go ahead. How would that
happen?
Julianne: Now, are you talking about, how would the frequencies impact upon them and how
would they first become aware of it? Or how would they first become aware of the fact that their
privacy has been violated?
Greg: Well no, I guess I didnt explain the question right. I wanted to know how they physically,
are doing it? I mean are they using a cell tower? Are they using a truck thats in the distance?
How is this being transmitted into the home to target the person and to use this weaponry on
them, from your experience?
Julianne: Well, first of all, in order to target a person you have to be able to see that person. And
while they may not be able to, they may, on entering the house, plant miniature cameras,
miniature microphones, as a means of, for their monitoring a person. But that is not necessarily
the means by which they hone in on a person. There are plenty of technologies that allow for the
imaging of a person that might be sitting in a chair, as you mentioned you might be.
Using infrared imagery techniques, for example, they can capture your image by monitoring the
concentration of heat emanating from your body using certain acoustical frequencies, they can
detect mass. And using sophisticated computer software, they can convert those images to
likenesses on computers, which conceivably could be used in a software program that could be
connected to an electronic weapon system. And in that context I should point out that, while
devices draw on the existing power grid, and while theyyes indeed, they do involve microwave
towers
Sounds like youve got a commercial coming on
Greg: Yes we do, and thank you for making my job easier. Well be back in 3 minutes on the
Investigative Journal.
First, Ive put this in the top 3 of my stories that I believe are important, that the American people
need to deal with, because as Ms. McKinney, who is a, I consider her an expert. She would only
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say shes an authority. But let me tell you, Julianne, you are an expert in this. The reasons could
be, like she said at thebefore we went into the break, and a total testing of our population to
see, basically, perhaps maybe there is a holocaust in the future or a dictatorship in the future. And
they want to see how people react to it. That may be a simplistic way to look at it. Not a simplistic
way that Julianne looked at it but my way of explaining it.
But lets get back to some of the things here, the last few minutes that are important. What can
you tell us, Julianne, about the microwave energy on citizens in terms of the existence of such a
program and the nuts and bolts of what they do?
Julianne: Microwave energy is only one aspect of the entire electromagnetic frequency spectrum.
Microwaves can be lethal depending upon how theyre used. Obviously in order to achieve
appropriate effects on people, they have to be pulsed, because otherwise the individual would be
cooked from the inside out. The objective of using microwaves as opposed to other
electromagnetic frequencies would be to inflict extremes of pain to cause thermal heating. Thats
a common complaint which leaves a hot spot on the scull. Again, primarily, just to inflict extremes
of pain. I was just wondering, we kind of skipped over or didnt quite complete a preceding topic.
Greg: Oh, go ahead, go ahead. Youve got free reign.
Julianne: You were talking about the use of the electrical grid throughout the country, the use of
microwave towers, the use of devices affixed to poles that are connected to power lines. But what
wasnt addressed, what you havent mentioned, is also that these weapon systems are used by
neighbors surrounding persons who have been singled out as targets of opportunity.
Greg: Are they solicited to do this or what?
Julianne: Thats something that Ive been pondering for some time. Again, what Ive noticed is,
there seems to be a predominant, particular religion that makes it particularly easy for them to
cooperate.
Greg: Well listen, lets talk about that after the break, a short break, and then Ive got something
to, some business I have to take care of for 3 4 minutes. Then well get back for our 2 nd hour
with Julianne McKinney. Well take some calls. Back in 2 minutes on the Investigative Journal.
(In this section there seemed to be jumping around, like maybe the video was edited or there was
some problem with the recording.)
by some of the Tis and thats Targeted Individuals.
That song rose to number one without any publicity on the internet. And that song called TI,
well play that again Dr. McKinney. I think it hits the nail on the head. I mean theres a lot of
people out there suffering. And I know youre one person, an authority in this field. And for my
guests who are just picking us up this hour, Dror excuse me, Julianne McKinney is a very highly
regarded person in the field of electronic weaponry, and surveillance in studying this issue. Shes a
former area Intelligence Case Officer until 1990 in the Army. And her credentials can be found, will
be found, you can go to RBNLive.com and go to my archives in the Investigative Journal and read
about that. Shes well qualified. Shes still with us this hour. And Dror excuse me, I keep calling
you Dr. and you should be.
Julianne: (Laugh) Im not a Dr., thank you. Dr. Americus.
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Greg: Dr. Americus. You know, thats funny. I have a doctorate in law. And nobody ever calls me
that and I hate being called that, a doctor. But Im interviewed on a Tehran TV station once every
blue moon, couple months, and they refer to me as Dr. Szymanski. And its nice to hear once in a
while. Ill be honest with you. Every two months is good enough. Otherwise they just call me the
jerk on the radio, which is better.
But, lets go from here. Youre adding such credibility to this story, adding credibility in my mind as
I speak. Because, Ive talked to hundreds of these people and was a doubting Thomas in the
beginning. I must mention that. I did not think it existed, and that was years ago. I thought
people were either insane, or crazy, or trying to get attention. But you know something? I will
admit I was totally wrong with that initialI guessthe look at the situation and have come
around to fully believe in most of the people I talk to and really sympathize with their suffering as
I see their lives being ripped apart.
Are there any things you can dowere going to get into a few more things here as far as the
technical aspects of this but what can targeted individuals do to get some peace in their life? I
mean thats one thing theyre looking for. Is there anything they can do?
Julianne: (prolonged silence)
Greg: Difficult question there.
Julianne: Its very difficult to advise targeted individuals how to acquire peace. These frequencies
can be blocked or deflected. All of these frequencies I have found, some may contest this, but I
have found can beare vulnerable, and are subject to deflection. And the pain can be immediately
(word unclear), if not halted all together. Finding peace by writing to members of congress or to
state legislators might not be a better alternative because you will be treated as something worthy
of the circular basket. They just wont intervene. Writing to the various agencies and calling a
meeting with them serves no useful purpose either because they will say there are no laws
prohibiting these types of activities. They cant, say for example, the FBIand I was given this
statement on a number of occasions.there are no laws prohibiting experimentation with these
weapon systems. Youre talking to the wrong people.
So my advice would be to do what you can to secure your premises, because so long as your
house is or apartment is being entered, you are susceptible to, in addition to being targeted by
electronic weapons, there is a potential for having drugs put in your food. And Im not
exaggerating there.
Greg: I had a few targeted individuals I talked to send me some questions that Id like to ask
you.
Julianne: Certainly.
Greg: And the one was Are targeted individuals also broadcast around the country via closed
circuit TV? And, What purpose does this serve? Im fully in the dark on this question, but, go
ahead.
Julianne: Okay. I have seen evidence of a closed circuit TV and it seems to be some form of
major source of entertainment and perhaps instruction for the individuals participating in this
harassment. I dont know who runs it. I have seen aspects of that on a large screen TV across the
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street on which I saw surveillance films of a TI being harassed, obviously, in an office

environment. Gang stalked. Shows brain scans and is otherwise a very sophisticated, sleek,
communications operation. Why would it be used? As I said either for entertainment, for
creating a sense of unity, or for identifying persons, TIs, who are to be harassed on the street. I
mean, obviously you cant harass someone if you dont know what that person looks like. So its a
means of communicating to the perpetrators, perps, what the TI looks like.
Greg: Okay, now, before I get to some more, I want to put out that call for people to call. I got a
couple emails. A lot of times Tis dont want to go public. And theyve sent me some emails. I want
to get to one in a minute. But one question I have for you is, how can people gather evidence to
support their beliefs that this is happening to them? Many people will say, well its only a lack of
sleep. I mean, you have a sleep disorder. Maybe theres a problem with your joints, I dont know.
It could be anything that the answers are when you suspect youre being targeted. What kind of
evidence do you tell people to gather to support their beliefs that this is actually happening to
them.
Julianne: Well, when youre gathering evidence, obviously you have an objective in mind and that
generally is legal. What you want to do with that evidence. Theres really nothing you can do with
it. So in the absence of that, the main thing is to try to protect yourself and to alleviate the pain
that youre experiencing. Collecting the evidence, if you were to go to, frankly, Id strongly
recommend that you keep your faculties together and avoid going to see psychiatrists and
psychologists, because the pattern that is evolving is that they are highly complicit of these
operations.
And if you go to a medical doctor, you do not talk about it because medical doctors, many, are
also involved. What you do when you see a doctor is that you define your symptoms and get a
very clear statement that, well, we cant figure this out. Well, thats a clear indication that it is
not indigenous, its not part of your system. Its not coming from within you, so obviously
something is happening from outside. If they prescribe drugs and yet cant find the ecology, the
basis for your disease, dont take those drugs.
Greg: Now earlier we were talking about the fact that they may, whoevers doing this, youve
delineated, youve led a good course into whatyoure tracking these people. But what I was
getting at, we never got to the point where ifyou mentioned something about a religious group
that may be targeted. What did you mean by that?
Julianne: The way I dont.well let me put it this way. Im not out to start a religious war. I have
found over the years that the persons involved, both in gang stalking.Ive made it a point to get
to know these people. Ive had to necessarily. Im not the type to
Greg: Youre talking about the perpetrators or the targets?
Julianne: The perpetrators.
Greg: Okay
Julianne: As well as theIve been drawing distinctions. And what Ive found is that the
perpetrators appear to belong predominantly to one particular religion; whereas the targeted
individuals do not belong predominantly to that particular religion.
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Greg: And what is the particular religion of the perpetrators?

Julianne: Right. So, at this stage, again, Im not particularly enthused about the idea of starting a
religious war. And I have challenged other TIs to get out there and become acquainted with, and
get to know, the people who are harassing them, to draw those distinctions themselves, because
Im not going to be making brash claims. This is something Ive observed over the past 10 years.
Greg: Thats fair enough. And maybe, perhaps, I could talk to you about it just for my own
knowledge off the air.
Julianne: That would be fine.
Greg: And I will keep your name out of it at that point and let people know what the targeted
group may be and what the other group may be.
Julianne: There is a religious influence but thats not to say these people arent just being used as
puppets by some broader interest.
Greg: Very good point. Can you stick with us one more segment of 5 minutes?
Julianne: Okay.
Greg: Were interviewing Julianne McKinney, our last segment. Juliannes an authority in the use
of surveillance and electronic weaponry. And this is an email question, kind of a technical one from
a TI. Let me read this to you. Perhaps you can answer it. Are the protocols for each individual
modified based to custom tailor it for the specific targeted individual? And if so, how does this
process work?
Julianne: Yes indeed they are modified. There is a basic protocol that the perpetrators begin with.
But the TI contributes to the modification. A good example of that would be, if someone. Im
trying to think of a good example. If the TI feels the need to cooperate, even in the most subtle
fashion, with the persons who are harassing him or her, he or she will modify his behavior, in
pathlobean condition, which alters the protocol. Theyre constantly, targets are constantly
monitored, and if they respond emotionally to a particular trigger, that will be built into the
protocol. If the target displays a certain sense of guilt or embarrassment about a subject, that will
be built into the protocol. Its an ongoing process. And one thing I want to emphasize is no TI
should look for a reason as to why this is going on. Its a serious, serious mistake. I know I did
that myself when they started on me and over the years I came up with probably 6 different
excuses.
Greg: Is it still going on with you?
Julianne: Oh yes. Not to the degree that it was before but certainly in very lethal form.
Greg: Now, how has this hampered your life?
Julianne: Its come close to being lethal on a number of occasions. I deal, I dealt with gang
stalking head on and I essentially put that to rest. I deal with.Ive developed a means for
communicating with perps directly and made them feel like the trailer trash that they are. So gang
stalking is not one of their favorite activities in my case. So the primary activity now is to see
what I can survive in the way of an induced brain aneurism or stroke or a heart attack.
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Greg: I just had a caller who doesnt want to get on the air but wants to know, does moving help;
moving your location?
Julianne: Running, if youre talking about moving to a completely new location, no. This country
is wired to the hilt for immediate transfer. Your protocol follows you wherever you go so its a
waste of time. Moving about physically in place will not change anything. Other than, if you make
a 180 degree turn you will notice the targeting will suddenly stop because the weapon systems
are programmed to focus on a particular area of your anatomy. So if you turn, the targeting will
suddenly end. If you turn back itll hit you again.
Greg: Interesting. Now, going full circle in the last 2 minutes here, in 1991 you published
Microwave Harassment and Mind Control Experimentation. This has been passed around the
internet and over thousands of domain sites over the past 15 years. Can you tell us how someone
can get ahold of this publication to be informed?
Julianne: Its not copy-writed. All they need to do is plug in my last name, McKinney, and type in
the title Microwave Harassment and Mind Control Experimentation and innumerable sites will
appear and just read it from there. It will give you a good insight into what the pattern is when
harassment begins.
Greg: Now, let me just spell your name for people that are going to do that. Thats MCKINNEY
McKinney. And then its Microwave Harassment and Mind Control Experimentation for an authority
in the field.
I guess since 1981, have you seen.I guess a question I wanted to ask, from 2001, have you
seen any, from the time of 911, has there been an increase in the last 4or 5 years, with this type
of, that youve seen, in the number of people contacting you. Has it been more wide spread since
911?
Julianne: Not since 911. WhenI would say back in the early 90s Ive seen a tremendous
expansion of these activities since the early 1990s. And it has moved forward in consistent
fashion. Its become ever more sophisticated and ever more wide spread. There was no sudden
burst or flurry of activity since 911.
Greg: And you have no help whatsoever with the political arena in this. Correct? Politicians will
not touch this with a 10 foot pole?
Julianne: Thats right. And even those who purport to be liberally inclined, and Im speaking
about members of the democratic party, will not touch it, because quote unquote, and they know,
they know whats going on. They dont they simply dont have the funds to be able to pursue it.
All sorts of humma humma excuses will be furnished for not pursuing something like this. Before
you close.I hear the music in the background.
Greg: We can stay another minute if you want.
Julianne: Okay.
Greg: Why dont you come back for 2 minutes on the other side of the break and then well finish
up. Okay?
Julianne: Okay.
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Greg: Okay, back with Julianne McKinney and 3 minutes on the Investigative Journal. You wanted
to say something at the break.
Julianne: I did. I want to thank you very, very much for taking on this subject. There are so few
in the media, as a matter of fact, youre the only one I know of, who has the guts to address it.
Greg: And you know, it really doesnt just in defense of every other media person. I dont think
its guts, in a sense, maybe it is. I dont consider myself having guts in this issue. I consider it to
be an issue that you need to take time to understand it. And thats what I would recommend to
the people in the media that havent touched this issue. If it isnt being down right censored by
someone above you, at least take the time to talk, Ill spend time talking to you about it. Because
it took me a little time to figure it out. And, Ill tell you what, its people like you that need to be
applauded because its your efforts that are bringing this to the forefront. Youre laying the
credibility on the line. But I thank you anyway for your kind words.
And with that, I wanted to say goodbye to you. And were going to have to move on. And well
have you on again to talk about this. And thank you so much.
Julianne: And thank you so much.
Greg: And that was Julianne McKinney. And she is an authority in the use of electronic weaponry
and microwave weaponry and she was with us for the last hour and a half.
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Dr. Nick Begich Author and Expert Researcher

of Electromagnetic Weapons
Biography
Dr. Nick Begich is the eldest son of the late United States
Congressman from Alaska, Nick Begich Sr., and political activist Pegge
Begich. He is well known in Alaska for his own political activities. He
was twice elected President of both the Alaska Federation of Teachers
and the Anchorage Council of Education. He has been pursuing
independent research in the sciences and politics for most of his adult
life. Begich received Doctor of Medicine (Medicina Alternitiva), honoris
causa, for independent work in health and political science, from The
Open International University for Complementary Medicines, Colombo,
Sri Lanka, in November 1994.
He co-authored with Jeane
Manning the book Angels Don't Play This HAARP;
Advances in Tesla Technology. Begich has also
authored Earth Rising - The Revolution: Toward a
Thousand Years of Peace and and his latest book Earth
Rising II- The Betrayal of Science, Society and the
Soul both with the late James Roderick. His latest
work is Controlling the Human Mind - The Technologies
of Political Control or Tools for Peak Performance.
Begich has published articles in science, politics and
education and is a well known lecturer, having
presented throughout the United States and in
nineteen countries. He has been featured as a guest on thousands of radio broadcasts reporting
on his research activities including new technologies, health and earth science related issues. He
has also appeared on dozens of television documentaries and other programs throughout the
world including BBC-TV, CBC-TV, TeleMundo, and others.
Begich has served as an expert witness and speaker before the European Parliament. He has
spoken on various issues for groups representing citizen concerns, statesmen and elected officials,
scientists and others. He is the publisher and co-owner of Earthpulse Press. He served as Tribal
Administrator/Village Planner for the Chickaloon Village Council, a federally recognized American
Indian Tribe of the Athabascan Indian Nation for five years and served four years as the Executive
Director of The Lay Institute of Technology, Inc. a Texas non-profit corporation. Currently Begich
consults for tribal organizations, private corporations and others in a number of research areas.
Dr. Begich is a single person with five adult children, and four grandchildren.
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Covert Harassment Conference

1-2 October 2015, Berlin, Germany
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A Brave New World together with HAARP The Update
DR. BEGICH:
Hello, and thank you for being
here and thank you to Peter and the rest of the team for
putting this together.
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Okay.
In the back?
Good.
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I want to give a little bit of
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those that don't know my family story, it really goes
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My father was in the United States Congress in
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the early 1970s during the Nixon Administration.
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lost in a plane with Hale Boggs.
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remember this if you've got a little bit of gray hair.
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Hale Boggs was our House majority leader at the time,
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one of the most powerful people in the United States
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Congress.
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strong dislike for J. Edgar Hoover, because he basically
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read everybody's mail, tapped everybody's phones,
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including the United States Congress, and then,
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essentially, blackmailed political leaders to follow
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whatever script he laid out.
Some of you may
He was also a Warren Commissioner.
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He was
He had a
Boggs was a pretty outspoken individual.
At
the time -- it was just before the second election of
Richard Nixon -- Boggs came to Alaska to work on my
father's campaign, which would have been his second term
in the United States Congress.
Boggs, before they flew out on October 16th,
three weeks before the second election of Richard Nixon,
began to talk about this scandal brewing in Washington,
DC.
In fact, that very scandal, had it unfolded a
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Three weeks later, Nixon's elected for his
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second term.
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the Watergate scandal broke.
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moved up again.
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Rockefeller then slid into the Vice President's slot.
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And then one of the old Manson women from the Charles
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put Rockefeller in the White House.
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It wasn't too much long after that that
Ford moved up.
Agnew was thrown out of
Then Nixon resigned.
Ford
For those that don't remember,
What would have otherwise happened, most
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Nixon
Agnew and Nixon would have been thrown
The Democrats would have

The Speaker of the House would
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have elevated to the Presidency.
have been in control.
happened and history tells us a lot about what really
happened there.
The Democrats would
But the opposite, of course,
Twenty years later there was a report, an
investigative report by a publication called "Roll Call"
in Washington, DC.
these various Congressional deaths.
crashes are kind of the hazard of political leadership,
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You know, plane
it seems like.
But in researching that, what they found in the
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Washington, DC reported that two people had been found
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follow-up telex came through saying, yes, they were.
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That plane was never recovered.
19
officially; yet 20 years later, we find out, in fact,
20
there were.
21
Those sources were later looked at by

A
There were no survivors
So I know about conspiracies.
Conspiracies are
22
conversations that happen in a room like this when
23
there's a bunch of people standing on the outside who
24
might not agree with us.
25
the political life, even at the highest levels, things
But the reality is, even in
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happen.
Maybe a few decades go by before the truth is finally
revealed.
Things happen that aren't easily explained.
So I have a strong motivation foundationally in
terms of how I approach controversial issues.
do it with fear.
years.
is the absolute adversary for getting anything
accomplished on this planet.
10
I don't
I've been doing this work for over 20
Fear isn't part of the equation.
In fact, that
My interest in these areas started with HAARP.
11
And how many in this room do not know anything about
12
HAARP?
13
Okay.
Well, that's a lot better than it used
14
to be.
15
Twenty years of this work and the work of others have
16
kind of brought this into the public.
17
All right.
It used to be the other way around.
So the first image -- I'm going to use HAARP as
18
sort of the backdrop as I move into the mind control,
19
mind effects-related technology.
20
in my part of the world.
21
know if -- maybe I've come the farthest for this
22
presentation.
23
appreciate the opportunity to inform people about this
24
subject.
25
This is just an image
I come from Alaska.
I don't
But I appreciate being here and I
So HAARP is a large array, a field of antennas
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in Alaska, currently 180 antennas.
They're
approximately 20 meters tall.
which you can see, which is the very top of these
antennas.
concentrate radiofrequency energy into a relatively
small space.
They have a cross dipole,
And what these are designed to do is focus or
If you think about the energy of a flashlight,
for instance, or a torch, as they say here in Europe, I
shine that against the wall, the beam starts out small,
10
and then it broadens as you get further away from the
11
source.
12
The same is true with radiofrequency energy.
13
You can think about it as an inverted funnel starting
14
here at the transmitter and then spreading out and
15
getting thinner and thinner, less dense, which is why
16
the further you get away from radio broadcast antennas,
17
the weaker and weaker the signal.
18
With HAARP, the opposite occurs.
They have
19
figured out a way through what's called cyclotron
20
resonance, which would be focusing or concentrating the
21
energy.
22
like sort of a cork-screwing kind of motion that got
23
smaller and smaller as you move further and further away
24
from the transmitter.
25
So if you could visualize it, it would look
So it concentrates that energy or focuses that
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energy so you can manipulate it in various ways.
the HAARP array, which was originally designed by a
gentleman, Bernard Eastlund, who's now deceased, was
intended to do a number of things as a weapons
application.
half the current size of the transmitter in Alaska.
can see the field of antennas.
90 antennas in the array.
9
10
11
This is the earlier version when it was

You
In this case there were
And here's another image as they expanded the

array to 180.
And another image showing the array.
Now, they also upgraded the technology pretty
12
substantially over the years.
13
efficient.
14
much bigger effects.
15
And so
So it became much more
So with a much smaller system you create
So what does it do?
Essentially, it's sending
16
energy or focusing energy up into an area known as the
17
ionosphere, which in this image in miles -- I apologize
18
for that -- is approximately 37 miles to 620 miles out
19
into space.
20
Now, this is a highly energized area.
If you
21
think about radiofrequency signals or shortwave signals,
22
they would come from the earth, they'd bounce off of us,
23
and then bounce back down to the earth to transmit over
24
large distances.
25
The ionosphere also is an area that can be
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disturbed by solar radiation, radiation from the sun.
When it becomes destabilized, it interferes with
terrestrial communications of every kind.
So part of the idea in this technology was to
learn how to stabilize the ionosphere during these
periods or deliberately disrupt the ionosphere to
interfere with communications on a global basis.
8
9
Now, what caught my interest when I first

looked at this issue of HAARP was a very short article
10
in a publication, an Australian publication, that talked
11
about this big system in Alaska.
12
Now, I come from a family that's pretty
13
politically engaged.
14
Congress, my younger brother just finished a term in the
15
United States Senate.
16
politics a very long time.
17
Besides my dad being in the
My family's been involved in
Alaska is a very big region, but we're a really
18
small population; 700,000 people in our entire region.
19
And when you think about big projects, you know, you
20
think you know something about them.
21
Well, I'm reading about this project in my
22
state in a journal in Australia and I'm going, you know,
23
why doesn't anybody know about this?
24
25
And so I decided I would go in and look into

this issue independently.
And I did.
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I picked up maybe
30 articles and papers, design specifications, some
things, and with friends encouraging me to publish, I
published the first article that I had written on HAARP
back in 1994.
So it's been a very long time ago.
What also caught my interest was the idea that
they were primarily utilizing, in some applications,
extremely low frequency signals or ELFs.
signals that can be biologically active, can affect us
as human beings and in very specific ways.
10
These are
And in particular, certain applications of the
11
technology -- and this gives you sort of a graphic
12
illustration of the focus.
13
were given to me by the inventor, Bernard Eastlund,
14
prior to his passing.
15
publications and in some of our work.
16
kind of a graphic showing the radiofrequency from the
17
array, moving up into the ionosphere and focusing that
18
energy.
19
These view graphs, actually,
And we utilized them in our

So this gives you
His initial concept was to create a global
20
shield, to be able to utilize the natural magnetic field
21
lines that surround the earth, be able to punch energy
22
into this and then create this kind of global shielding
23
effect.
24
piercing that energy would be disrupted, like
25
satellites, intercontinental ballistic missiles,
And the idea was that any electronic device
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virtually any electronic device that ran into this field
of energy that was being amplified would be destroyed.
Now, one of the other interesting parts of
this -- and this kind of shows that, again, utilizing
one of Eastlund's graphics.
line and then you see this cork-screwing energy going
around it.
southern polar regions into the northern polar regions.
And, in this case, they actually couple -- actually
10
utilize the energy on the ground to couple with the
11
natural energy, and then coming from the north to the
12
south, create this cork-screwing effect, which
13
accelerates the electrons and then creates this global
14
shield.
15
So you can see like a field
That energy naturally is occurring from the
Now, that was his initial concept.
And as a
16
concept, it caught the attention of a number of people
17
and eventually got funding from the Congress, initially
18
at 30 million, and over the last few decades now over
19
almost 300 million, which in dollars is not a lot of
20
money, but when you consider, this is sort of the
21
pinnacle of billions of dollars spent in ionosphere
22
research over many decades.
23
What caught my attention in terms of the
24
technology of Eastlund -- I'm going to skip some of
25
these that are not so relevant -- was the idea that you
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10
could manipulate the ionosphere -- and I'll use this as
a better example.
you could punch or pulse energy into the ionosphere --
so think about this energy going up and, like, a hammer
ringing a bell.
ionosphere itself vibrates and then it begins to send a
signal in the ELF range.
signal going up, punching the ionosphere, the ionosphere
which is energized then acts as a broadcast antenna in
So one of the thoughts was that if
Every time it hits that ionosphere, the
So you have a high frequency
10
the sky bringing back an ELF signal to the earth, and in
11
this case covering an entire hemisphere.
12
Now, ELF signals, extremely low frequency
13
signals, are very long wavelengths.
14
earth and sea.
15
submarines, as an example, the depth, because short
16
wavelengths won't penetrate the earth and sea.
17
also used for what's called earth-penetrating
18
tomography, which in simple language or by analogy would
19
be like x-raying the earth or looking into the earth for
20
underground structures.
21
They penetrate the
They're utilized for communication with
They're
But one of the side effects of ELF is the
22
entrainment effect on the human mind.
23
signals will lock onto in what's called a frequency
24
following response.
25
techniques to create a frequency following response.
Because ELF
And you can use a lot of different
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11
You can use flickering light, you can use binaural beat,
which I'll explain in a few minutes.
electromagnetic fields such as this, or even the power
grid itself can be modulated in such a way to create a
signal that the human body will join with, will couple
with, and begin to follow.
of energy to accomplish this.
You can use
It doesn't take a great deal
This is the one that triggered my real interest
in HAARP, because this is the one that everybody kind of
10
ignored and said, oh.
11
well, if ELF has a biological effect, it's a side
12
effect.
13
phrase earlier today.
14
believe that it's an intended consequence.
15
intended to grade populations in very specific ways.
16
In fact, the HAARP planners said,
It's an unintended consequence.
We heard that
But I don't believe that.
It's
Now, this book was mentioned by my friend
17
earlier today, "Between Two Ages", by Zbigniew
18
Brzezinski.
19
written, actually, in 1973, when Brzezinski was at
20
Columbia University.
21
Security Adviser to President Carter.
22
the time that Kissinger and he and others were starting
23
to think about the Trilateral Commission organizing this
24
think tank, so to speak.
25
And why this is an important book, it was
This is before he became National
Now, find this book.
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This is around
I really encourage you to
12
find this book and read it, because it is not a
prediction of what will come with technology.
blueprint, in fact.
It's the
You can read this.
When I first read it -- he writes in a pretty
convoluted style.
English to understand.
read it because he predicted the economic changes that
took place, the political changes that took place in the
world over the last 40 years with a great deal of
10
accuracy.
11
prediction.
12
It's a little difficult even in

But I really encourage you to
And some will say it really wasn't the

It was the plan.
If you look within this text between Pages 54
13
and 56, you'll see a section that's dedicated to the
14
kind of technologies we're talking about today, a mind
15
control technology.
16
guy named J. F. Gordon MacDonald.
17
geophysicist at UCL.
18
chapter in a book and the chapter was called, "How to
19
Wreck Your Environment", which this is before Earth Day,
20
okay, so he could get away with that.
21
that book was actually published.
22
caught Zbigniew Brzezinski's attention was, he said, if
23
we could ever figure out how to electronically stroke
24
the ionosphere in just the right way, we could return a
25
signal to the earth that would influence the behavior of
And what Zbigniew referenced was a

And he was a
He wrote a book -- or, actually, a
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It was 1969 when
But what he said that
13
people over huge geographic areas.
Now, that's a pretty profound thing.
But we
didn't have a way to stroke the ionosphere in 1969.
we did by the 1990s.
fact, the HAARP system that can accomplish this.
But
And that was, in fact, and is, in
So the idea was -- and it was kind of, in a
gross sort of way, primitive, if you will, but what the
intention was, was that if you could pulse the
ionosphere, return this ELF signal to the earth, you
10
could agitate the population in very specific ways.
11
could make them passive, less aggressive, or the
12
opposite by just amplifying that signal.
13
explain a little bit of that as we go on.
You
And I'll
14
The other person that comes out in the last
15
presentations, Jose Delgado, and this book he wrote,
16
"Physical Control of the Mind:
17
Society".
18
images that you saw in just this short video clip of
19
Delgado's work, there is a good section in this text as
20
well showing that.
21
Toward a Psychocivilized
And this is, again, a 1960s book.
But in those days they used implants.
Those
They had
22
to physically put something in the brain.
23
Delgado originally did -- he was actually educated in
24
electrophysiology at the University of Madrid.
25
graduated in 1950.
And what Jose
He
Electrophysiology, as a degree
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14
field, thinking about it in 1950, now 65 years ago, most
people don't even realize that's an area of higher
education today, much less that far back.
One of my mentors, Raul Makayla (phonetic), he
actually graduated University of Madrid in 1958, and his
area of interest was, essentially, the same, biomagnetic
and electric fields, effects on human physiology, and he
spent his career studying that.
Delgado, at Yale University, he initially was
10
mapping the brain of primates and humans by stimulating
11
various portions of the brain to figure out what was
12
responsible for what kind of activity.
13
began to utilize the implants in those dramatic ways in
14
those film clips with the charging bull and he throws
15
the switch and the bull stops, to demonstrate that you
16
could take a creature from passive to highly aggressive
17
to passive to highly aggressive, just like flipping on
18
and off the lights in your living room.
19
And then he
What Delgado discovered by the mid-'80s is that
20
you didn't need any implants.
You just needed to
21
manipulate the energy itself.
And you didn't need a
22
great deal of energy.
23
Now, we've heard -- I forget the amount of
24
energy surrounding us now.
25
believe it was 18 zeros after the one that we heard
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Was it a quintillion?
15
earlier.
radiofrequency energy alone, it was 200 million times
more around us every day than nature created in 1994.
Back when I wrote the HAARP book in '94, just
Now, when you think about it, what did Delgado
discover?
of energy in the natural background noise of the earth
was sufficient to manipulate the behavior of human
beings if you could hit the right frequencies, if you
could hit those window frequencies that stimulated that
10
11
He discovered that one-fiftieth of the amount
kind of activity.
Now, if you think about this -- again, by
12
analogy, think about dialing through the radio stations
13
on a radio.
14
noise, the static, you get no clear signal.
15
you have resonance between the transmitter and the
16
receiver, then you get a nice, clear signal.
17
The same is true in our physiology.
18
you're looking at stimulating or affecting a specific
19
element in the body, molecules in the body, cell
20
structures or organ structures or even the human mind,
21
it's about manipulating the underlying energy.
22
In between the stations you get the white

But when
Whether
When you think about medical science in terms
23
of how the fork in the road is and how this kind of
24
applies to why don't we know more about this today,
25
well, there's lots of literature now.
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25,000 sources, I
16
think we heard quoted earlier today.
25,000 sources
talking about the energy interactions with the human
body.
That is a lot of information.
But what happened in medical science?
A lot of
people that went into life sciences, they were really
good in the chemistry, a little weak in the math, so
they went to life sciences.
better in the math, they went to physics.
upon a time, these two came together and we got
People who were a little

And then once
10
biophysics, which is really the root of real health
11
science.
12
you've got to get to the energetic interactions that
13
create chemical reactions that then manifest in the
14
body.
15
If you really want to get to the meat of it,
And that's what we kind of miss in so much of
16
our medicine.
17
opposed to an electromagnetic model.
18
to World War II, that fork in the road was being
19
explored pretty aggressively, the energetic models.
20
they were somehow lost in that shuffle and we ended up
21
with the pharmaceutical industry, and the results of
22
that, I think we can all not be quite so proud of.
23
We followed a pharmaceutical model as

In the '30s, prior
But
In terms of where the technology is going and
24
where a lot of the science is going, it will be
25
electromedicine that cures most of what we call
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17
incurable.
debilitates human consciousness itself.
It will also be that which enhances or
Now, Jose Delgado, when he figured out that you
didn't need implants, you just need to manipulate the
energy itself, this became kind of the essence of sort
of where everything went from there.
But I want to roll back a little bit, a little
bit back in time, and talk more about the evolution of
mind control as technology starting with the work at
10
Harvard University of a gentleman, Estabrook, who was
11
working in the Harvard hypnotherapy labs in the 1920s.
12
You can look Estabrook up.
13
of Congress and you'll see his list of publications, and
14
I recommend that you do that.
15
Look him up at the Library
What he decided was that you could create what
16
we would call today a Manchurian candidate.
17
take certain individuals, put them in a very, very deep
18
state of hypnosis and then over a period of time train
19
them so they would be like this super spy that you could
20
send into another country and they'd hang out for a year
21
or two, but if they got captured, they wouldn't really
22
remember any of their former self, and then when they
23
came back, in this case, into the United States, that we
24
would then give them the appropriate suggestions and
25
then extract the intelligence from them.
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You could
18
And this is what Estabrook was working on.
By
the 1930s, a lot of his work was being classified and he
continued to work in this field up through the 1960s.
His last book -- and I always like to read the last
thing someone writes, you know, because it tells you a
lot about, sort of, the conclusions and there are things
that you might discard bits and pieces as science
enlightens you and your experience enlightens you.
what he talked about in that last book were the
10
experiments he was involved in using LSD and other
11
hallucinogenics in mind control, which he actually
12
talked about in a favorable sense.
13
And
And for those of you that remember, the CIA was
14
heavily involved in this in the 1960s and, in fact, the
15
whole area pre-1960s going back even to the Korean War,
16
which is sort of my next mark on the timeline.
17
The Korean War, we had prisoners, patriotic
18
young Americans come back from war and they're handing
19
out Communist leaflets on street corners, and the term
20
or the phrase brainwashing came into being.
21
where it came from.
22
after the Korean War.
23
That's
It came from that series of events
The idea of being able to manipulate people's
24
behavior and change them so profoundly became of
25
interest to the predecessor of the Central Intelligence
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19
Agency and then later the Central Intelligence Agency.
And what they looked at were lots of different ways to
manipulate human behavior.
Now, when I was researching my first book with
Jeane Manning, "Angels Don't Play This HAARP", I was
looking for a good source document that would speak to
this, because you always read about this in secondary,
tertiary sources.
surplus book room, and I'm telling this guy that I know,
And so I'm in a book room, a big
10
I really need this source.
11
conversation, I reach unconsciously behind me into a box
12
and I pull out this book.
13
And as I'm having this
This is a really interesting one.
This is
14
actually a presidential report.
15
was commissioned at the time, 1975, to look at the
16
abuses of the CIA.
17
Committee reports, which were Congressional hearings
18
that took place in the early '70s to investigate the
19
abuses of the Central Intelligence Agency, the kind of
20
abuses that we read about today, because nothing really
21
changed.
22
This is a report that
Now, this came out of the Church
Supposedly, this was to change things.

Now, what's in this report?
The LSD
23
experiments were in this report.
24
Intelligence Agency was domestically infiltrating civil
25
rights groups, antiwar groups, people that, essentially,
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The idea the Central
20
opposed the government within the United States, which
was not part of their mandate, in fact, was illegal.
The fact that they were reading people's mail, utilizing
unwitting victims and experiments for mind control.
of this came out in this report in 1975.
CIA continues to do it even to this day.
All
And yet, the
Think about the kinds of activities that have
been reported pretty widely over the last few years,
whether it's digging through garbage to blackmail other
10
diplomats, which is something our Intelligence community
11
does, whether it's to send pallet loads of money into
12
countries like we did in Afghanistan to bribe officials
13
as a way of doing business, or whether it's to
14
assassinate people with drones, kidnap people and
15
torture them.
16
Now, most of us don't know people like this,
17
but this is the government that I unfortunately have
18
guiding my country right now.
19
criminals.
20
couldn't happen here.
21
It's a government of
Now, people want to talk about, oh, this
It has happened here.
It's happened for
22
decades in the United States.
23
President's Commission touches the very tip of that
24
iceberg.
25
This report by the
This is another document.
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This is -- this guy,
21
Captain Tyler, he later became a colonel and retired.
He was involved in pretty much the sort of esoteric side
of some of the government research.
chapter out of this book is called, "Low-Intensity
Conflict and Modern Technology".
Maxwell Air Force Base in 1984.
about a large -- a variety of technologies.
8
9
This book -- this
It was prepared by
And it was talking
But in this particular one, if you look at,

certainly, the subject lines, you have stimulation of ,
10
bones* generation, healing of fractures, treatment of
11
disease, healing of wounds.
12
modification in animals.
13
that are listed here were kind of under the mysterious
14
category.
15
happening in 1984.
16
You look at behavior
You know, some of these things
They couldn't really explain what was
But the idea was to stimulate research in these
17
fields.
So a number of things happened.
18
started to flow into these areas.
19
that came out in the 1980s as a result of some of this
20
was the Radiofrequency Dosimetry Handbook.
21
big, thick handbook.
22
of Utah under contract to the United States Air Force to
23
determine the radiofrequency dosages that were required
24
to override every vital organ of the human body, whether
25
it be the heart, the liver, the lungs, the kidneys, just
A lot of money
One of the reports
It was a
It was produced by the University
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22
sort of preempt their natural function to be able to do
it remotely.
And the idea was to take that leap of
technology and begin to apply it into weapon systems.
Mind control.
you will remember this one.
Yeah, 2002.
about the ethics of mind control.
it exist or doesn't it exist?
"The Economist".
Cover story.
Some of
This is 2002, I believe.
And what this cover story was about was

Not saying, hey, does
It's just saying it's
10
here right now.
11
we should advance this technology, whether we should
12
limit this technology.
13
credible publication.
14
story.
15
We really need to be debating whether
"The Economist" is certainly a

Not too much happened from this
This is -- unfortunately, it's not showing up.
16
November -- you can get this one on my website.
I'll
17
give you my website, because this is a very important
18
document.
19
human experiments.
20
in history, that's like tomorrow and yesterday, right?
21
It's, like, now.
22
mind control experiments and who has the authority to
23
approve them.
24
approve them is under secretaries of the Navy in the
25
case of Navy Intelligence or Naval research.
The Navy set up a new set of regulations for

It was approved in 2006.
You know,
And in this they specifically call out
And the persons with the authority to
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23
Now, it's not just CIA.
Naval Intelligence
does this work.
non-lethal weapons that this falls under.
has the electromagnetic directorate, which is working in
an area called controlled effects, which deal, again,
with mind control and physiological effects on human
beings.
"Technology Horizons".
issue.
10
The Marines have a section on

The Air Force
In fact, they publish a publication called

I believe it's the June 2004
You can look it up.
The cover story is on
controlled effects.
11
Now, what are controlled effects?
The first
12
effect is attacking hardware; you know, like equipment,
13
like machines, to be able to interfere with the flow of
14
electrons through circuits to disrupt those machines to
15
operate.
16
history, but using energy itself to manipulate hardware.
17
Not using bombs and bullets and the things of
The second sort of level of controlled effects
18
talked about in that article is the idea of manipulating
19
the software, the systems that run those systems, so
20
that you can disrupt the software, then you disrupt the
21
hardware, and things collapse.
22
And the third leg of controlled effects is the
23
human operator.
And what they say in this particular
24
article produced by the electromagnetic director of the
25
Air Force is that we can target or create the illusion
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24
of all of the senses in the human body; sight, sound,
touch, taste, to give people complete memory sets,
complete experiential sets that you wouldn't be able to
distinguish the synthetic from the real.
Now, think about that for a moment.
What does
that do to court testimony in 20 years if this becomes
the norm?
post-traumatic stress syndrome folks, people coming back
from warfare.
They're now talking about using this for
This just sort of cleans up the garbage
10
of the mind and gets rid of that stress.
11
think that's a great idea.
12
the biggest mistake we could ever make.
13
whatever those servicemen and women were engaged in --
14
what used to happen in warfare -- what happened in World
15
War II when everybody came back, they said, I don't ever
16
want to see my children in these things, I don't want to
17
see my grandchildren in these things.
18
put down, not amplified.
19
Some people
Personally, I think that's

Because
Wars need to be
When you take the human factor out of warfare
20
and it becomes like a videogame, then our willingness to
21
withdraw from direct conflict no longer happens.
22
And think about where our military science has
23
gone.
In fact, I want to mention another very important
24
publication.
25
in the early 1980s.
It was produced by the US Army War College
It's called the "Revolution of
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Military Affairs and Conflict Short of War".
particular paper was talking about revolution of
military affairs.
And this
What is that exactly?
This is a leap as important as the introduction
of gunpowder in the middle ages in Europe, as important
as atomic weapons in the last century.
they characterize it.
where we move from ordinance, from bullets, bombs,
things that rip tissue and tear things up, to
And that's how
And what this is is the leap
10
electromagnetic weapon systems that keep sort of the
11
hardware intact, but debilitate the human operator to
12
the point of being combat ineffective.
13
enhance the possibilities within our own combatants
14
while degrading the abilities of others.
15
Or conversely,
There's simple ways that you can achieve this.
16
You can introduce to the battlefield certain elemental
17
compounds that in small background amounts would not be
18
considered dangerous.
19
example.
20
body to maintain thyroid function.
21
much iodine, you'll get poisoned.
22
get sick.
23
Let me give you iodine as an
We all need a certain amount of iodine in the
So what can you do?
But if you have too

You'll die.
You'll
You can send a signal in
24
that resonates the very same signal strength and
25
frequency as iodine, you can send that signal in and the
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body will begin to react as if its gotten this massive
load of iodine and show all the symptoms of iodine
poisoning.
You check the thyroid; check the blood, it's
not there.
Mystery illness.
Something as simple as that for manipulating
large populations, not necessarily with their consent
and not necessarily with clear knowledge, and nothing
shows up in the background that would say why this
poison actually exists that would account for this.
10
11
simple way.
One of the other ways that this technology can
12
be exploited is really quite simple.
13
article produced by "Parameters", which is a military
14
publication.
15
the -- I believe it was the Fall 1998, but you can look
16
up the article name called, "The Mind has no Firewall".
17
It's a very important article.
18
about all the various ways in which you could introduce
19
mind effects or mind control technologies using modern
20
technology today.
21
written in a military journal called "Orienteer"
22
published in what is now Russia.
23
"Parameters".
There was an
You can look it up.
It's
This article talked
And the original article was actually
What's interesting about this is it said you
24
could use any electromagnetic carrier, whether it be
25
radio, TV, the Internet, now cell phones; but,
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essentially, any of these carriers, you can modulate a
signal on them that will manipulate behavior of segments
of the population.
And the Russians demonstrated this in a couple
of different ways.
There was a program.
It was called
"Undercurrents".
Canadian Public Broadcasting System.
did two really interesting stories that I got to
participate in.
It aired in the CBC, which is the

"Undercurrents"
One was on HAARP and the other was on
10
mind control.
And on the mind control story that they
11
did -- this was a very popular program in Canada at the
12
time and this particular segment was their highest rated
13
that they had ever run.
14
who were involved in the "Star Wars" initiative during
15
the Reagan Administration that couldn't talk about what
16
they did in the White House, but they could talk about
17
what they observed in Russia.
And they had folks that came in
18
And one of the things that they talked about
19
was the idea that you could -- you could create, sort
20
of, this white noise and on this white noise carry a
21
signal.
22
cake.
23
these little cakes?
24
of Europe as well.
25
And so they put out this message, bring us

And Russians at tea time, you know, they eat
I guess you do that in other parts
And so at the appointed time they began to
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broadcast this.
and on the street were bringing cake into the meeting
room without really knowing why they were doing it.
They just felt like doing it.
what they were programmed to do.
And workers from within that building
Now, this goes back.
Well, that was, in fact,
We're talking about
15-year-old technology.
And when you think about sort
of where did it go from there, in 2006, there were a
couple contracts left by DARPA, which does research for
10
the defense industry in the United States.
And DARPA
11
used to be run by a guy named Tony Tether.
Tony Tether
12
was a good friend of Ben Eastlund's.
13
Now, what they were doing then was, they had
14
left two contracts to the University of California for
15
what's called electronic telepathy.
16
telepathy.
17
a distance by analyzing the emanations coming from this
18
area, being able to analyze that and determine and
19
interpret what it is.
20
contract was to create complex signals to see if you
21
could transfer that array, so to speak, of signals into
22
another person's consciousness and whether they would
23
perceive the same images.
24
25
Okay.
Electronic
The idea of reading another person's mind at
And then the other half of the
Now, there was work done by Elizabeth Rauscher

and her late husband, Bill Van Bise, in this very same
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area.
In fact, I have a copy of their unpublished paper
where they actually built an electronic circuit where
they could take a person in one room and a person in
another room, attach this person to that circuit and
this person to that circuit, and then, you know, the
psychic card where they show the triangles, the squares
and the circles and the little squiggly lines, a hundred
percent accurate with nine test subjects who had never
experienced consciously in any way any sense of
10
extrasensory perceptions or psychic perceptions.
11
did it with hardware, transferring thoughts from one to
12
the other.
13
They
Now -- which tells me it's probably a little
14
more simple than what DARPA's doing.
15
Eastlund was doing work on HAARP and he was doing other
16
work for DARPA at the time and we had talked about him
17
in our first publication, and then actually after
18
publication became friends, and Ben Eastlund's attitude
19
was, you know, some things just shouldn't be done.
20
one of the things that he had been working on was
21
whether modification technologies, which he was at that
22
time and when we first met, making that technology
23
available to the military.
24
us and others, he decided there's certain technologies
25
that are not safe in the hands of military.
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But when Ben
And
And after some dialogue with
30
At one point along the course I began doing
quite a bit of work on this whole mind effects issue.
And I caught the attention of a woman, Dorothy Lay.
Now, Dorothy is one of the heirs to the Lay, as in
Frito-Lay and PepsiCo Corporation.
family.
specifically as it applied to victims.
So a very wealthy
Dorothy was very interested in this technology
And so she approached me at one point and asked
if I would become a member of her board of directors for
10
a non-profit that she was setting up to deal with these
11
kinds of technologies.
12
whether I should tell you the rest of this story, and I
13
think I will, because why not?
14
And I've got to think about
So I have this thing, intuition.
All of us
15
have it.
16
do today.
17
listen, because when I really think about it, it's never
18
been wrong.
19
about it.
20
start acting on it.
21
I used to not pay as much attention to it as I

When my intuition tells me something, I
Neither has yours, if you really think

Or maybe you don't think about it and just
So my intuition said -- and this was a very
22
difficult time for me in 2002.
23
betrayed by a very good friend, economically was
24
bankrupt in the middle of this work, because I started
25
this work in '94.
In 2002, I had been
Economically was being crushed.
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at that point I was deciding whether I was going to stay
in this work at all.
And I'm going through a bunch of my files and I
see this file and it's marked Lay.
person had contacted us needing some information and we
provided it.
way we operated is, I sold books.
bought my books.
And I remember this
And we never charge for that.
I mean, the
And people like you
And they allowed me to do this work.
I didn't write for grants where somebody could
10
manipulate me and control me and tell me what to say.
11
didn't go out and find some publisher that would edit
12
out my work.
13
book.
14
that work by buying that book.
15
two and a half million dollars and I spent that two and
16
a half million dollars over 20 years doing what I'm
17
doing right now.
I risked my own money.
I published my
And then I asked people to help me by supporting
18
A VOICE:
19
(Applause.)
20
DR. BEGICH:
And I tell you, I made
Thank you.
And the whole idea was just to
21
educate.
I didn't deal with victims.
22
reason I didn't was because I felt that that was putting
23
the cart before the horse.
24
people that the technology is real, that this could
25
really happen to people and from that foundation, and
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Okay.
And the
We first need to educate
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that became the foundation of my work in this.
So Dorothy calls me on the phone and she says,
will you be on my board?
an hour.
on your board.
And I talked to her for about
At the end of the hour, I said, no, I can't be
She said, well, why not?
I said, because my intuition is telling me I
8
9
10
really can't be on your board.

And she goes, well, I deserve more than that.
I said, okay.
I don't know your board members,
11
I don't know who your board is, but something in here is
12
saying there's a problem there and I don't want to be
13
associated with them.
14
(Applause.)
15
DR. BEGICH:
16
I got the call back.
17
you have millions.
18
what they say they're doing.
19
being done and find out for yourself.
20
diligence again.
21
So it was a couple of months later

Because I told her also, I said,
You have the ability.
And she did.
Go see if it's really

Do your due
A couple months later she came
22
back and she said, you were right.
23
me a number of ways.
24
just me now and my attorney.
25
Go research
They were defrauding
I've cleared out my board.
It's
Will you be on my board?
Now, bear in mind, I'm in a pretty desperate
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situation economically.
At the time I have five
children at home.
have an economy that I've got to manage.
Dorothy, no, I can't be on your board.
I've got people to take care of.

And I tell
She says, well, why not?
I said, well, I need to meet you first in
person, eyeball to eyeball.
for three days.
foundation.
I said, we're going to talk
We're not going to talk about your
I want to know everything I'm ever going to
10
read about you and your family in the newspaper.
11
you to have the same knowledge level of me.
12
to know what your world view is before I join with you
13
in achieving that world view, because you have the means
14
and I have the willingness if that world view is shared.
15
So we spent a few days.
I want
And I want
We decided that I
16
could do this.
17
And we put together, as her major effort was, a
18
conference on mind effects.
19
public.
20
bring some key people together to have a conversation
21
that would be open and free.
22
And for four years I worked with her.
But it wasn't open to the
It was closed to the public.
And it was to
And one of those people I invited was Ben
23
Eastlund, who by then I'd gotten to know, had watched
24
what he had done in terms of his career.
25
connected with DARPA at the time.
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And I called him and I said, you know, Ben,
would you consider participating in this conference?
And he said, you know, if you had asked me this
seven or eight years ago, on a scale of one to ten, ten
being the relevance and importance of this, and one
being irrelevant and unimportant, I would have given
this a one or a two.
time I talk to Tony Tether or others at DARPA, nobody's
laughing about mind control anymore and it's a nine or a
10
He goes, but -- he goes, every
ten and, yes, I'll participate in your conference.
11
The next person I asked was Garth Nicolson.
12
Does that name ring any bells for anybody?
13
Nicolson was a full professor, I believe it was Texas
14
A&M.
15
thousand medical students.
16
whistle on Gulf War Syndrome and testified in our
17
Congress six times before his wife was fired as a
18
molecular biologist from Texas A&M.
19
they couldn't fire him.
20
him, because he was one of the first courageously enough
21
to step up to the plate and complain about what had been
22
happening in the Gulf War; we depleted uranium and some
23
of the other technologies that were being applied there.
24
25
He taught medical students.
Okay.
Garth
He taught over a
He was the guy that blew the
And he was tenured;
But they definitely harassed
Well, the best thing that ever happened to him

was he got out of the university system.
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He formed a
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nonprofit to deal with chronic disease.
somebody that I watched maintain his course under really
difficult circumstances.
conference.
And he was
So he was invited to that
I invited the daughter of my mentor, Raul
Makayla.
one of the boards in Russia that regulates medical
applications of lasers.
Quite brilliant.
10
She's an electrophysiologist.
She serves on
She's an electrophysiologist.
We invited her.
We invited Rosalie Bertell.

Okay.
Does anyone
11
remember Rosalie Bertell?
12
passed.
13
physicist, biologist.
14
doctoral students at Berkeley.
15
It's kind of an odd combination.
16
statistician to go in to Bhopal for the World Health
17
Organization after that huge chemical disaster.
18
was considered one of the top people in the world for
19
dealing with victims of radiological experiments,
20
including electromagnetic radiation.
21
some of our work and added to it and published a book on
22
the HAARP system and its effect on human beings on this
23
sort of broad scale.
24
been through some really difficult times as well, rose
25
out of her own ashes and maintained her ethical
Also deceased now.
A few.
Rosalie's
She was a mathematician,
She taught higher mathematics to

She was also a nun.
She was the lead
But she
She actually took
So we had invited Rosalie, who had
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1
2
platform.
The other person we invited was Alexander
Kaivarainen.
Does anybody recognize that name?
He was
the former head of the USSR Academy of Science
Biophysics Department for ten years.
area that really gets into the meat of what we're
talking about here today.
believe, is deceased now also.
guys, you know, they're a lot older than me and they
And this is the
Now, what got -- Alex, I

You know, all these
10
keep dying of old age.
11
science at a young age watching a demonstration of the
12
paranormal, ESP, telepathy, these kinds of things in
13
Russia when he was a teenager.
14
caught his interest.
15
But Alex got his stimulation in
And it just really
When I met Alex, he was in his 60s and he was
16
the brightest top five physicists on the planet,
17
recognized by institutions around the world.
18
he had determined is that there were rational reasons
19
for why these things manifested.
20
this conference and actually presented a paper giving
21
the mathematics and the physics that lends itself to
22
these extrasensory possibilities, these things that the
23
military now calls anomalous human capabilities.
24
used to call it extrasensory perception or ESP, but now
25
they give it a new name because there's a lot of
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So he was invited to
We
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connotations with that that kind of get you discredited
in certain segments of the scientific community.
So I want to talk -- roll back again a little
bit -- I want to talk about binaural beat, which I had
mentioned earlier in this presentation.
around a little bit.
not even use these things, but I think people feel more
comfortable using them.
And I jump
It's kind of my style.
The binaural beat.
I used to
We can't hear these really,
10
really low frequency signals, because the human ear
11
doesn't quite work that way.
12
the human ear won't hear.
Below a certain frequency,
13
Now, a gentleman by the name of Robert Monroe
14
developed a method using binaural beat where you could
15
send in a signal within the range of human hearing, say,
16
at 15,000 Hertz or pulses per second or cycles per
17
second, coming in one ear at, say, 15,000, another
18
signal coming in the other ear at, say, 15,007.
19
the cranium they will cancel each other out and leave a
20
beat frequency of seven, the difference between the two.
21
15,000, 15,007.
22
seven pulses per second, which happens to be in the
23
upper Theta range, and this is where the brain then
24
drives to.
25
Within
The beat frequency becomes seven Hertz,
At the same time that that occurs, you get a
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hemispheric balance, a distribution of energy across
both hemispheres of the brain, the analytical side and
the creative side and working together.
actually how human beings are supposed to function.
This is how young children predominantly function, with
more of a balance between the hemispheres, where the
energy is more balanced.
8
9
This is
And then we educate them.
And with young girls, who we say are more

intuitive and have this other operation of the brain,
10
and young boys are more analytical, and now we kind of
11
treat everybody the same so we kind of dumb them all
12
down to the same level.
13
children and you look at where their brain activity is
14
and between 3 and, say, 5 or 6 years old, they have
15
this predominant brain frequencies or a lot of Theta
16
brain frequencies coming in and then some ELF and then
17
higher frequency ranges.
18
But when you look at young
Now, what is Theta?
Theta states if we're in a
19
Theta state, we're kind of like in that dream-like state
20
between awake and asleep where you're consciously aware
21
of your dreams.
22
good deal of their time.
23
as we call it, are so active.
24
don't pay attention to that, don't pay attention to
25
that.
That's where 3 to 5 year olds spend a

That's why their imaginations,
And we keep saying, oh,
This was our first attempt to shut down the
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intuitive combinations of the way the brain is actually
supposed to work.
In fact, for those who have a Christian
background, you know Jesus Christ himself said, look at
the little children, watch what they do.
think I heard somebody say something about this earlier,
little children come to the table kind of innocent with
a view of the world that's quite different than the rest
of ours.
You know, I
But the brain activity of children is unique
10
and we begin to take that out of them in the structure
11
of the way we educate.
12
So what Robert Monroe -- he was actually a
13
radio engineer.
14
had this really weird experience.
15
body experience, that he had that kind of threw him.
16
You know, it didn't make any sense to him.
17
began -- he also noticed that in the background there
18
was this kind of noise that he perceived.
19
He owned a bunch of radio stations.
He
It's an OBE, an outer
So he
So he began to experiment and he created this
20
technique for binaural beat.
He developed a whole
21
series.
22
binaural beat.
23
those US patents from 1994, and this is showing the
24
brain before the activity, before turning on the
25
Hemi-Sync, and this is after, showing a more even
In fact, he actually got US patents on a

This is an image taken out of one of
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distribution in a more rhythmic pattern in the
brainwaves as you see in the upper right-hand corner.
Let me roll back again so you can kind of see
the comparison.
activities happening all through the brain, and then a
coherent signal creating a hemispheric balance and an
optimization of brain potential.
8
9
Normal brain, kind of disorganized
So what did he do with this?
He developed a
whole series of things; audio input technology,
10
essentially, to manipulate behavior, but where you're in
11
control of that manipulation.
12
smoking, you get his CD on quit smoking.
13
brain in such a way, becomes compelling, very affective.
14
So you want to quit

It affects the
Sleep disorders can be addressed in this way.
15
They have someone be able to relax, meditation,
16
concentration, accelerated learning.
17
things can be done.
18
over the course of many, many, many, many years, and now
19
his daughter doing the work of working with thousands of
20
people to determine which signals actually created which
21
effects and then developing technology that they could
22
place in the hands of individuals to make the choice on
23
how to use it.
24
25
A whole array of
And they did this by working with,
Now, that's kind of an interesting way of

looking at technology.
It was my area of interest, in
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the beginning of all of this work, was not looking for
the dark side of all of this, but in the mid-'80s I got
very interested in light and sound stimulation of the
brain that capitalized on sound signals and flickering
light for brain entrainment.
the brain will follow that external signal or what's
called FFR, frequency following response.
little energy.
Entrain the brain where
So very
Let me roll back to Delgado again.
10
One-fiftieth of the amount of energy the earth creates
11
is sufficient to move your brain into very specific
12
states.
13
just another technique for altering brain activity that
14
might be beneficial, but you're in control of it, not
15
somebody else.
16
Dialing that radio up, if you will.
This is
I'm going to skip some of these just because
17
they're not so relevant.
18
images and let me just go back into the whole dialogue
19
of this, mind effects.
20
And I'm going to close the
When I think about sort of where do we go with
21
this conference, when we put that conference together
22
with the Lay Institute, our purpose was to put together
23
these really good thinkers to try and see if we could
24
create a synergy between them.
25
And when I first got interested in doing
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something actively in science, it wasn't about HAARP and
it wasn't about mind control.
would play -- and I was working in a government office
at the time, and it was -- my friend said, you make your
living with your left foot.
living, but the rest of my creativity could be engaged
elsewhere and me working in bureaucracy was really a bad
match.
The role that I thought I
Because I could make my
But the point was, my youngest son, when I was
10
getting really frustrated with my work, said, change
11
channels.
12
You know, I'm thinking about this, because I
13
had just given him this discussion about creativity was
14
like changing the channels on the TV set, right, and so
15
he's feeding it back, time to change the channels, Dad.
16
So I thought about it.
And what I decided I
17
would do is -- I read independently in science over 20
18
years.
19
say, one guy in one branch of science.
20
if this person could ever meet that person, you could
21
really see something happen.
22
I had read some really compelling things from,

I thought, boy,
And the first paper I actually ever presented
23
in science, I was 19 and it was at another obscure
24
conference that I ended up in on biorhythm research.
25
And my paper was contrasting at that time the Soviet
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method of research versus the US method.
method was compartmentalization, separate.
distill things down to the smallest subspecialty and
then push these people into a corner and let them do
this bit of the research.
other people over here and ten other groups over there
and fifteen groups over there, and somewhere all of this
stuff comes together and it gets really sloppy.
It's sloppy because there's a lot of repetition; it's
10
Now, the US
You know,
And then you've got nine
Okay.
very expensive.
11
Now, the Russians, Soviets at the time, they
12
didn't have the money for that kind of research, to
13
spread it out that way, and they used a very different
14
method.
15
fields, even though they didn't seem like they should
16
connect.
17
together to develop science.
18
at the exposures that we had seen earlier, what are the
19
regulatory exposures of electromagnetic fields, the
20
Russians in the '90s and the '80s were a thousand times
21
more stringent than they were in the US.
22
They took experts from all of these different
They put them in the same room to work
Well, why was it?
That's why when you look
Because they had actually
23
made the observations that we hadn't made and actually
24
connected the dots in a way to say, hey, this is
25
dangerous.
That doesn't mean they followed their own
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regulations, because they probably didn't.
whatever was expeditious there.
recognized the physiological responses to
electromagnetic fields and the fact that you could
manipulate it.
They did
But at least they
What was discovered by a guy named Allan Frey,
he was looking at microwaves, and he discovered that
there's this flickering effect, but it only occurred
when you pulse-modulated the signal.
And if you look
10
at -- I heard earlier, it's always scalars.
11
scalars.
12
fields as we think about them.
13
It's not vectors.
It's always
It's not electromagnetic
But if you look at the ones that affect human
14
psychology and physiology, if you look at those signals,
15
they have a very quick rise time and a very fast drop.
16
They're like the punch, like punching that ionosphere to
17
create the ELF.
18
modulations on these other carriers are meant to trigger
19
that effect by you entraining to that pulse, that
20
firing, or some submodulation being carried on a general
21
carrier.
22
It's like those signals.
Those
Now, if you remember the first Gulf War, the
23
first Bush War, and you remember how the Iraqi Army just
24
sort of gave up.
25
just like school children on their first fire drill
The fourth largest Army in the world
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throwing their hands up and surrendering, you know,
thousands of guys to a few dozen.
Now, I speculated on this.
What was that about?

And then it was
Scottish media that later reported on this and said it
was Project Solo, which was a project operated by the
United States.
flying over the country at the time and it was taking
and piggybacking the signal on the radio broadcast going
into the region that were broadcasting the Muslim music
10
11
And what we did is we had this C-130
and prayers.
So all these guys are in their bunkers
12
listening to their favorite radio station.
Unbeknownst
13
to them, the subsignals being played on that broadcast
14
created anxiety, high levels of anxiety and fear.
15
then you watched this Army just collapse under this.
16
And that was kind of the -- in my view, the
And
17
first test of could you really do this, could you do it
18
in this adversarial environment.
19
And one of my friends joked, hey, it's the
20
perfect Republican weapon, right?
21
hardware in place, but totally wipe out the population.
22
Zbigniew Brzezinski said, in between two ways,
23
it doesn't matter if it's Republicans or Conservatives.
24
They just use different rationale for accomplishing
25
their political ends.
You can keep all the
On the conservative side, the
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Neocon side, it might be the fascination with gadgetry
and new technology, as Zbigniew Brzezinski said, and on
the liberal side it might be the idea that we're doing
this for your own good.
And we've all heard that before.
The government is here, right?
The fact of the matter is, when you start
thinking about mind control technologies as a concept,
the idea that someone believes that they can interfere
with your free will, this is something that most
10
religions in the world say God won't even do.
11
think this is their appropriate direction in technology,
12
to interfere with the way consciousness flows.
13
Yet, men
Now, think about for a moment what are the
14
things that -- what is the easiest way to manipulate
15
consciousness?
16
Create an environment of anxiety and fear.
17
happens at that point is you cannot reach your higher
18
states of consciousness.
19
The easiest way, the simplest way.

Because what
If you look at Monroe, rhythmic patterns in the
20
Hemi-Sync as an example, higher states of consciousness
21
are associated with those rhythmic patterns within the
22
brain; not that incoherent scattering of death and
23
information and energy.
24
25
So if you create a certain environment of fear

and anxiety and you look at an EEG monitor and the brain
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activity of an individual, you see it's kind of
scattered in patterns.
higher emotions; love, compassion.
rhythmic patterns.
One person is experiencing

You begin to see
Another simple way of seeing is something that
you can actually measure.
Take two people that are in
love and they -- you know the saying, and I looked into
her eyes, right?
another individual and hold that gaze, you'll begin to
If you actually gaze into the eyes of
10
mirror each other's brain activity in a pretty unique
11
way.
12
long enough.
Two people's breathing begins to
13
synchronize.
Their energy fields begin to synchronize.
Your breathing will even synchronize if you do it
14
And at the same time, their awareness, their
15
intuitions elevate and their rhythmic patterns in the
16
brain can be seen.
17
fear -- think about the advertising you see on
18
television.
19
breath is, you know?
20
uncomfortable.
21
If you can create an environment of
It's all about how you smell, how your

It's all these things to make you
Think about the 6:00 news.
Now, we heard
22
someone talk about the 6:00 news and how that kind of
23
works.
24
people sit down in front of the television set.
25
already fatigued.
You come home from a hard day at work.
Most
They're
They begin to watch the television.
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And then their spouse hollers, it's time for dinner;
it's time for dinner.
right?
they're in a light trance-like state.
How many of you've been there,
Nobody's listening.
No one's hearing.
Because
Now, if you look in a dark room -- the
television is here -- look behind you at the white wall
and look at the flicker rate.
coherent signal within a certain range through the optic
nerves, your brain will lock onto that signal.
If that flicker rate is a
If you
10
monitor the brain activity at that time, you'll drop
11
into this highly-suggestive state and now you listen to
12
the advertising.
13
Now, every school of psychology teaches
14
frequency following response today and that you can
15
create these kinds of effects.
16
advertising?
17
advertising works so well.
18
convincing and compelling.
19
Would they apply in
Of course they would.
That's why
It works because it's
When you look at the 6:00 news, would somebody
20
utilize that in broadcasting the news of the latest
21
propaganda from whatever source it's coming from?
22
would speculate -- today I would speculate and say yes.
23
When you think about how simple it is to create
24
that agitation.
There was a person at Valencia
25
University who published a paper in 1995 talking about
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this whole concept.
could create a complex signal, broadcast it out over a
large area that just created the sense that something's
not right.
And what he said back then was you
Unease.
And then you go watch the 6:00 news and they
indict some specific ethnic group, maybe it's Muslims,
and then a certain amount of that anger gets diverted
that way.
decided on the laser edge of populations, on majorities,
Well, in a day where a lot of things are
10
this is a very, very powerful tool and one quite simple
11
tool to apply in the modern world.
12
When you think about news feeds today, how much
13
is really investigative reporting and how much of it is
14
just spitting out somebody's press release, right?
15
little investigative reporting today because it's
16
expensive, because it's not immediate, and when you look
17
at the news media today, it's almost immediate and most
18
of it is just meant to entertain.
19
inform.
20
Very
It's not meant to
You know, freedom of the press, it used to have
21
something to do with keeping an informed public so we
22
could make good decisions and we could govern as a
23
public.
24
Say whatever you want, say it however you want, but
25
nobody takes responsibility and we have the neutered
Today we debate the media as freedom of speech.
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neutral news.
come on.
And if you really believe it's neutral,
Everybody who assigns a story to a reporter
knows that reporter's biased.
It comes out in the news and what gets published and
what doesn't.
the news?
up.
But no one has really taken it on as a topic and
10
11
The editors have bias.
How many stories about mind control hit
Occasionally.
The economists might pick it
Somebody might pick up a little bit, a piece of it.
consistently pursued it.

Yet, when you think about modern technology and
12
the resolution -- now, we've been talking about things
13
that have happened in the past, and somebody even
14
mentioned this, MK-ULTRA is a program -- you've heard it
15
alluded to.
16
subprojects under it.
17
That was the CIA's program.
It had 144
Most of the records surrounding that were
18
shredded by a guy named Gottlieb, who was responsible
19
for that at the Central Intelligence Agency during the
20
Church Committee hearings.
21
truth back then.
22
this, has become increasingly refined as our technology
23
has advanced.
24
25
We never really got the
But the resolution, the ability to do
When you think about technological advances,

one of the things I read says that technology from the
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invention of the wheel to where we are today, it doubles
about every nine to ten months.
Invention of the wheel to where we are today, ten months
from now we're going to double that, and then we're
going to keep doing that.
Wow.
Think about it.
It used to be every five years in the 1980s,
and it kept shrinking as our computing power increased
and our ability to manipulate large amounts of data
increased.
10
Now, a super computer, think about a super
11
computer.
12
was doing this work, about 280 teraflops a second, which
13
at that time would be like six billion people on the
14
planet with hand calculators doing a calculation every
15
60 seconds for 60 hours to do what that super computer
16
could do in a second.
17
A super computer will do somewhere, when I
Well, the next evolution -- some think it's
18
already here -- are the quantum computers.
19
the quantum computer do?
20
will do what a super computer does in a trillion years.
21
It's back to this analogy of how much EMF do we have out
22
there.
23
What will
A quantum computer in one hour
Well, think about the same kind of
24
amplification and computing power.
25
as a concept.
You look at privacy
It doesn't exist in the world today,
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right?
tracked, whether it's your GPS on your phone, whether
it's your phone conversations -- in the United States,
every piece of mail is photographed for who it went to
and who sent it.
Virtually everything about us is catalogued,
When you think about your telecommunications,
your Internet connections, Google, AT&T, Verizon, all of
them have violated the very essence of what personal
privacy is all about.
10
Because today, in the 21st Century, we need a
11
revolution, an evolution of what privacy is all about.
12
Because you, experiencing the victimization of this
13
technology, are the pinnacle of the abuse.
14
is subject to abuse of personal privacy.
15
But everyone
You used to think about it, it would start and
16
end in our physical doorway in our home.
17
in your home compared to what is in data banks stored on
18
every single human being in this room.
19
It has nothing
Now, people say, oh, don't worry about it.
20
don't have the ability to collect.
21
resolution to look into it.
22
that resolution.
23
computing first will be able to hack through every
24
security code for every system on the planet within
25
hours.
We
We don't have the
Quantum computers will give
Whichever government finds quantum
They'll be able to predict with so much accuracy
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by collecting all that data and analyzing that data, it
will almost seem a spiritual event.
But it will only be accurate up to a certain
point.
And over time that flaw will amplify to where it's big
flaws.
guide our world, to guide our ideas, our philosophy, and
how we pursue the world.
And then there will be a little bit of a flaw.
But we'll rely increasingly on these systems to
The Internet.
What people think about that is
10
the world wide mind of the 21st Century.
11
Public Broadcasting System, did a special called "The
12
World Wide Mind".
13
I say within 20 years or even now -- maybe it already
14
exists now -- but within 20 years that you'll be able to
15
connect the physical minds of all of the people on the
16
planet in a world wide mind.
17
PBS, our
And they say within 100 years -- and
Now, that might appeal to some.
It doesn't
18
really appeal to me from the standpoint of technology.
19
I think we already have that on a certain level.
20
think we already are connected on a certain level.
21
belief systems limit our ability to access that level,
22
but I believe it's here.
23
I
Our
And I've seen enough demonstrations of it.
You
24
know, all those scientists I had in that room for that
25
mind effects conference, the part that really blew me
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away that I didn't expect was what they really centered
on was the idea -- and this was Rosalie Bertell, the nun
and physicist, and she said that the next leap is going
to be the leap where we realize or we recognize or we
remember our extrasensory perceptions, our anonymous
capabilities as human beings and that becomes the next
evolution of the human kind.
8
9
And what suppresses that is fear and anxiety,

because you cannot reach those cases of consciousness as
10
long as you're in fear and anxiety.
And anyone who
11
purports or is a victim of these technologies, do you
12
have anxiety, do you have fear?
13
you have the ability to reach those higher states of
14
consciousness in that condition?
15
not possible.
Of course you do.
Do
It's physiologically
16
So when you think about entire populations,
17
whether it's religion injecting fear or whether it's
18
government injecting fear or as my friend used to say,
19
you know, the king keeps you poor and the church keeps
20
you dumb, kind of was the early idea when you think
21
about how things evolved in Europe several hundred years
22
ago.
23
When you think about modern technology on the
24
backdrop of that concept, what's changed?
25
changed.
It's just the same deal.
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You know, 6,000 wars
55
in 4,000 years, most of them over religion; let me give
you a clue, God doesn't need any help killing anybody.
God can probably do it himself or herself.
The fact of the matter is, the idea that people
would just be evil on -- and I think I heard earlier
today that the psychopaths are in the minority.
believe they are.
people, they're out there, but they're not this mass.
Most people do things because they believe they're
I think really evil-to-the-core
10
right, and then they want to impose their rightness on
11
other people.
12
And this is kind of a mistake and then we end
13
up in this conflict between ideas without being fair and
14
recognizing people's right to disagree.
15
said earlier, certain things you can't say in Germany.
16
Certain things you can't say in a movie theater, too.
17
You know, you can't yell fire.
18
sense.
19
And I heard it
Now, it makes good
You don't want to yell fire in a movie theater.

Some would say what we're doing here is yelling
20
fire in a movie theater because we're letting people
21
know what we know, what we've concluded from a good deal
22
of research.
23
You know, my books are written, every page at
24
the bottom of each page are the footnotes.
25
find that distracting.
Some of you
Personally, I want to know where
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the information came from as I'm reading it, not a week
later as I'm contemplating it.
source.
I want to know the
And so in the publications that I've written,
1600 source documents, reviews out of a matrix of a
hundred thousand that we had available to us, more or
less.
have made it into four books on technology dealing with
mind effects, dealing with HAARP, dealing with personal
20,000 have made it into my archives and 1600
10
privacy issues.
11
the last four years.
12
A lot of the things go unreleased in
You can look at my publications from 1999 and
13
2000, and you'll see the same things, because the old
14
literature showed enough to come to those conclusions.
15
When I testified in the European Parliament in
16
the '90s, at their invitation -- and this was another --
17
a good side story for technology.
18
name of Thomas Spencer, he was from the UK, he was a
19
Parliamentarian at the time, and he was the Chairman of
20
the Environmental Subcommittee of the European
21
Parliament.
22
given him the book on HAARP and he was very interested
23
in this.
24
I flew to Brussels and spent a few days with him talking
25
about the issue and brought with me a couple feet of
A gentleman by the
And he had contacted me.
So we had a conversation.
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unclassified documents for his research team to take a
look at.
What happened then is he moved in the European
Parliament -- he was a Conservative, by the way, and he
moved into a Foreign Affairs Chairman, a very powerful
position, an ideal position for dealing with the things
that we were dealing with at the time.
8
9
So we -- at his invitation, I came over to

testify in front of the group on security and
10
disarmament in the European Parliament on HAARP and on
11
non-lethal weapons, the kinds of things we've been
12
talking about today, the manipulation of human beings.
13
Now, they do it a lot differently than we do it
14
in the US.
In the US, when you have public hearings,
15
the public actually gets to come.
16
Parliament, the public meeting is you have to have an
17
invitation to come.
18
know, I hadn't really thought much about that.
In the European
So that's kind of different.
You
19
And they also -- they can also do things behind
20
closed doors, which, you know, we theoretically can't do
21
in the United States.
22
the public invited or the media invited.
23
You can't have a meeting without
So what happened the night before the hearing
24
is the Committee met with myself, one of the other
25
people testifying, and a member of the press and we
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spent five and a half hours in a non-official meeting to
talk about these issues, so that when we actually gave
our testimony the following day, they would have
formulated a set of questions to give us the opportunity
to follow along.
because then they at least had a good base of knowledge.
So it was a great way to do it,
Now, in that private meeting we demonstrated a
technology using infrasound where you could transfer
sound through electrodes attached to the skin where you
10
would perceive that proverbial voice in the head.
11
demonstrated that to the Parliamentarians in that closed
12
session.
13
We
And then we went into the hearing the following
14
day.
15
her, testifying on our side.
16
the gentleman's name, but he was from a group called
17
GRIP in Brussels that does research on weapon systems
18
particularly and he had done his Master's thesis on
19
HAARP, and so he was there.
20
And it was Rosalie Bertell, which is where I met

It was -- I can't remember
We had someone from the International Red Cross
21
that had done work on non-lethal weapons and was a
22
specialist in this particular area.
23
there.
24
25
And then I was
We each got 15 minutes to present.
And then I
got an hour of questions from the committee in the open
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hearing where I had the opportunity to talk about some
of these things.
been this incident in Japan where children watching a
cartoon that had a certain flicker rate had caused over
700 children to go to the hospital with epileptic
seizures.
a problem, right?
to go into the hospital.
And right around that time there had
Now, remember, non-ionizing radiation is not

A flicker of the TV caused 700 kids
Now, some say that was by design.
Some say
10
that was by accident.
11
for talking about non-ionizing radiation in the European
12
Parliament because they had all read that story.
13
fresh.
14
But it was a perfect illustration
It was
The other thing demonstrating infrasound,
15
something that had never been demonstrated, to my
16
knowledge, in that type of a meeting, to show that you
17
could actually transfer sound without necessarily
18
involving the ears.
19
Now, there's another technology that was
20
advanced by a guy named Woody Norris -- he won the
21
Lemelson Prize at MIT for this particular technology,
22
and I believe the year was 2004.
23
Norris -- and his was using acoustic heterodyne where he
24
could send in two signals from two different sources,
25
point them at an individual in the crowd, and they would
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hear this voice in their head and nobody else would hear
it.
Well, he won a half a million dollars for that
prize, organized a company called ATCO.
them up.
technology to the military for perimeter protection.
You know, where they could have these sort of alarm
systems so when the protestors got too close they'd hear
these warning signs that nobody else was hearing.
10
They're a public company.
You can look
And he sold that
Now, you think about that for a moment.
11
Imagine -- this is why the European Parliament got
12
interested, because we used this illustration.
13
imagine a national leader standing up in front of a
14
group and all of a sudden they hear voices in their head
15
that nobody else hears.
16
right?
17
what that technology can do.
18
demonstration.
19
Now,
That's the end of that guy,
I mean, he's out of there.
And that's exactly
And that was one
Now, some have said that you can pulse modulate
20
on a single beam and create the same effect or utilize
21
something like HAARP, not so much for voice in the head,
22
but for certainly changing emotional state of large
23
segments of the population.
24
25
When we looked at all of this, we even looked

back -- you know, where else could this have been used?
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And there was a device in Vietnam called the Lida
machine, L-i-d-a.
named Ross Adey, who is, unfortunately, also deceased.
Ross Adey was brilliant and was utilized by the
government, by private sector as an expert in these
kinds of areas.
A guy who researched this was a guy
Well, he was asked to look at -- this
particular device had been captured during the Vietnam
War.
It was a Russian device.
And it created the
10
entrainment effect using flickering light and sound.
11
And they used it for interrogating prisoners by putting
12
them into that, like, trance-like state and then
13
extracting intelligence from them.
14
1960s.
15
Now, that's the
Again, this is low resolution, low technology.

As computing powers increased, as our knowledge
16
in human physiology has increased, as our knowledge of
17
the electromagnetic nature of human beings has
18
increased, the ability to manipulate large segments of
19
the population comes easily achieved, either as a side
20
effect or unfortunate disaster of our technology.
21
You mentioned Swiss Re, Swiss Re Insurance.
22
Swiss Re Insurance wrote a paper on Electrosmog.
23
believe it was 2002.
24
industry then, don't insure electromagnetic field
25
effects because it will result in a bigger lawsuit than
And they said to the insurance
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Firestone on their tires or the smoking industry,
because the knowledge is here and now and nobody insures
that risk.
Lloyd's of London insures anything, but they
won't insure that risk.
Nobody does.
Because insurance
companies don't like to lose money.
that.
before cell phones were invented, the University of
Washington had investigated those very same frequencies
It's as simple as
And yet the telecom industry on cell phones --
10
on chick embryo studies and determined they were
11
harmful.
12
Cell phones didn't exist then.

Then cell phones come out and everything's safe
13
all of a sudden.
14
says, now, wait a minute, we did all this research.
15
This is a dangerous thing.
16
a powerful adversary.
17
That same guy that did that research
So it went to the Congress.
18
There was a guy in Florida.
19
controversy.
20
said, we need a study.
21
pay for the study.
22
study.
23
But the telecom industry is
You remember this.
Brain cancer.
It ended up in the Congress.
Big
Congress
So the industry says, oh, we'll
They spend 25 million dollars on the
I can't remember the guy's name who did it, but
24
he eventually published a book because his findings
25
were, hey, this is dangerous.
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He issues his
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report.
they got the 25 million into his queue.
it all on these projects.
himself.
5
6
They figured, hey, they got him.
You know,
He got to spend
He got to make some money
Hey, he's our man.

Well, he wasn't.
This guy actually had some
integrity, and I apologize for not recalling his name.
A VOICE:
DR. BEGICH:
A VOICE:
10
George Carlo.
Which one is it?
George Carlo.
DR. BEGICH:
George Carlo, that's correct.
And
11
he wrote a book called, "Cell Phones", a very important
12
book.
13
And when it comes to children, one of his
14
observations was -- he had the simple observation of
15
damage to skulls.
16
five-year-old, 400 percent more energy transfers to the
17
skull into the brain than an adult.
18
twelve-year-old, approximately 200 percent.
19
You know, you have a four-year-old, a
Ten-year-old,
This is one of the main reasons why you don't
20
want children using cell phones or, even worse, the
21
portable phone in the home because it's even less
22
efficient with the battery and the energy with even more
23
leakage.
24
phone today where you actually pick it up and talk into
25
it.
And what do we do?
Try and find a hard line
You can't even find them anymore.
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impossible to find.
When you look at what we have learned about
human physiology and the effects of electromagnetic
fields on the human physiology, it is the revolution in
science that will collapse the pharmacuetical industry
one day.
recognize that the pea in the soup of electromagnetic
radiation has been the cause and the root to most of the
chronic disease we see on the planet today.
10
And one day we're going to wake up and
When you combine that with that concept that I
11
used, that example of iodine, everyone has a little bit,
12
now you have these complex interactions, 5,000 new
13
chemicals are introduced or compounds introduced to the
14
public every year without really any serious studies,
15
and then you add this on top of it, and now you have a
16
very toxic world.
17
manipulation from the propaganda of World War II to the
18
downloading of that.
19
achieve?
20
personnel with a download.
Blap.
21
years' worth of education.
Now, let's go on.
22
And then you take the technology of
What does the military hope to
They want to be able to train military
And now here's the thing.
23
kind of education.
24
programming.
25
thinking involved.
There's your 12
Think about that
No critical thinking involved.
It's like writing to a disk.
Who controls that?
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No critical
Curriculum
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controls the way in which our society goes.
risk.
This is the
What about evidence in courtrooms when you can
create a synthetic memory or wipe one out?
that do to a Democratic Republic or a Democracy where
people have the power?
us as we become increasingly transparent to governmental
agencies and they become increasingly opaque.
What does
That power has been taken from
It is the opposite of what should be occurring.
10
There shouldn't be a camera in every household.
11
should be a camera in every government office.
12
the technology's there.
13
and look at what our employees are doing, right?
14
Wouldn't you like to be able to dial up your
15
Congressional office and see that conversation they're
16
having in real time?
17
that?
18
There
Because
We should be able to dial in
And why shouldn't we be able to do
What do they have to hide?

You know, you think about government and you
19
start saying that and, you know, the only people
20
protected from that kind of intrusion in the US are
21
federal employees.
22
protection than the average citizen within the country
23
that I live in.
24
25
They have a higher level of
For what?
And when you think about government, everyone

points to the politician.
I can tell you, most
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politicians are ignorant.
parties in the United States the preference is to have
people that are -- they look like the news announcer,
but they couldn't think their way out of a phone booth,
right?
they couldn't think their way out of one.
want people that are smart enough to look good, but not
smart enough to think on their own.
politician for political parties, because they can be
10
In fact, most political
We don't even have a phone booth anymore, but

Because they
That's the ideal
told what to do.
11
Look at how much money is being spent in
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political outcomes.
13
have pointed and looked at, like, Australia to mandatory
14
voting.
15
Huge amounts of money.
Some people
Everybody votes now.

Worst possible thing that you could ever do.
16
And here's why:
17
pulls the lever?
18
maybe 20 percent of the population votes, but at least
19
they're informed.
20
When the population doesn't vote, who

Those that are informed, right?
So
They've educated themselves.
If you force people to vote to keep their
21
driver's license, their medical benefits, or whatever
22
social programs you've got running and you say, you will
23
vote, now who decides what they vote on?
24
buy the 30-second or one-minute ad on TV that influences
25
them.
Whoever can
The moment they walk into the booth, they go, ah,
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and pull the lever.
A very dangerous situation.
Now we have a dangerous situation.
Democracy is something that each of us have to
claim internally.
The change that people are looking
for in this group happens by a change in consciousness,
by us recognizing what we are as human beings,
recognizing the potential that we have.
know what these government programs yielded?
points to the fear side of the equation.
Because you
Everybody
But what they
10
really discovered was that every single soul, every
11
human being has this anomalous capability.
12
Now, imagine if we could awaken those
13
capabilities, could you hide anything?
14
people could literally look into the mind of another
15
person, that makes a politician pretty vulnerable,
16
wouldn't it?
17
I mean, if
That is the next evolution that I believe is
18
happening and it's the only evolution, the only
19
revolution that can change the way things are.
20
starts with human consciousness.
21
believe to be right and true and beginning to act on it.
22
Not from a foundation of fear, but a foundation of
23
confidence.
24
25
It
It starts with what we
You know, somebody asked me once, what do you

think about faith?
I said, faith is what you know to be
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right and true and you step into it on the idea that you
can achieve it.
You believe it.
So many people I've seen in this work, they
keep jumping into things beyond their belief.
don't believe they can achieve it.
and they fail, and they keep failing.
are doing good work otherwise step back, do what you can
do with confidence, do what you can do with knowledge,
don't wait for a group to form.
They try it anyway

And people who
The group's already
10
here.
It's called the human race.
11
to be right and true.
12
up, learn from it, and move forward.
13
They
Act on what you know
If you make a mistake, clean it
When you look across this room and you look at
14
all these folks with a little bit of gray hair, and
15
you've got the gray hair not by all of those great
16
things that happened in your life, but by the real
17
disasters that happened in your life.
18
think about bad news is a stimulation for good news.
19
You know, you
People ask me, you know your father's
20
disappearance, disappeared off the face of the earth,
21
that must have been a horrible thing.
22
the time.
23
life because it altered my course.
24
25
Yeah, it was at
I consider it the most important event in my
The worst things in our lives alter our course,

change our direction, activate that higher potential
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that cause us to rise out of the ashes of our apathy and
our defeats and stand on our feet again and move
forward.
The pain that people experience today is the
catalyst for the solutions tomorrow, whether we like it
or not, whether it's falling down as a two-year-old or
standing up as an adult.
our ethics, on the basis of our values, and we
reinvigorate and let go of the fear and recognize what
If we stand up on the basis of
10
we are as creative beings, we have the potential to make
11
change.
12
And with that, I'll open it to questions.
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(Applause.)
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