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MINUTES OF MEETING
March 20, 2012 Dallas, TX
ATTENDANCE:
MEMBERS
Reza Kianoush
Andrew Minogue
Larry Tabat
Carl Gentry
Ramon Lucero
Bill Sherman
Chuen-Shiow Chen
Rolf Pawski
Risto Protic
Sanjay Mehta
ASSOCIATE MEMBERS
Karl Kuebitz
Kevin Monroe
Nazar Sabti
Victor Pavon
VISITORS
Philip Loh
Brett Henning
Abdul Akhand
1. CALL TO ORDER
A. Agenda Approved
B. Minutes of Cincinnati Meeting of October 18, 2011 Approved.
C. Correspondence & General Announcements
Subcommittee chairs shall provide Bill Sherman the changes to the roster by
April 10th since there are no longer Associate or Consulting Members on the
subcommittee level.
2. UNFINISHED BUSINESS
A. Resolution of negatives on the Subcommittee Letter Ballot LB 350-F-11-02 that closed
on 10-18-2011 (Item 2)
Ballot Item #2:
Add the following paragraph to R4.1.1: Increased R-values for buried tanks, including but not limited to circular
and rectangular tanks, are intended to apply to components whose dynamic response is influenced by soil
damping at the exterior walls. As an example, where the exterior walls of a multi-cell basin are below grade, the
interior walls are influenced only by fluid forces, the exterior walls may use the Ri-values for buried tanks but the
interior walls should use the Ri-values for on or above grade tanks.
Add a footnote to table 4.1.1(b) When considering the design of individual walls, the Ri value for buried multicell tanks applies only to a wall in contact with soil. Walls not in contact with soil shall use the Ri value for on or
above grade tanks.
2
Mehta,
N
The proposed change implies different R Persuasive Rewrite
values for components of the same footnote and
Sanjay
structure. This is very unusual practice, to commentary as
say the least. Normal design practice is to indicated below.
apply R-values to the structure as one unit,
not individual components. Even for dual
systems (for instance buckling-restrained
braced frame in combination with special
moment frames has R=8) ASCE 7-05, Table
12.2-1 allows only single R value. The Rvalue for BRBF alone is 7 and R value for
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Munshi,
Javeed
Non-Persuasive
Treat as New Business
Sanjay and Javeed
will work on code
change proposal to
remove the
connection between
buried tanks and R
values.
After extensive discussions, this will be tabled for Sanjay and Bill to have a
discussion.
Sanjay and Javeed will work on code change proposal to remove the
connection between buried tanks and R values.
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Since walls in contact with soil and those only in contact with water respond
differently, the impulsive and inertial force acting on the interior walls of multicell tanks should be adjusted accordingly to be equivalent to force determined
using the Ri for above grade tanks. The impulsive force is due to the liquid and
the inertial force is due to the tributary mass as applicable.
Kevin will modify his proposal and move the force will be applied 0.6 height
above the base to the commentary. See draft information at the end of
minutes.
Kevin will also add a discussion on why I/R is included in the equations.
The FHWA has published a method to estimate wave forces on bridge decks.
The method will calculate both the vertical and horizontal forces. For our case
of a tank roof structure, only the vertical force will be used.
A comparison of Kevins proposed procedure and the New Zealand Code will
be conducted by Kevin.
There was discussion on utilizing the overstrength factor for sliding stability in
lieu of R-value.
A topic that should be researched further and potentially added to the code is
Minimum Design Displacements for Piping Attachments similar to ASCE 7
Table 15.7-1. A task group of Reza, Larry, Karl and Carl will look at this. Bill will
send correspondence with ASCE to the task group.
Task Group
Task
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Decision
and Status
Pawski
Kianoush
Mehta
Munshi
Kuebitz
Kianoush
Munshi
Mehta
Kianoush
Kuebitz
Kianoush
Monroe
Sherman
Gentry
Chen
Monroe
Mehta
Tabat
8
9
10
11
Spring 2010
Chicago
IC
Spring 2010
Chicago
IC
Negative convective pressure at base Spring 2010
of tank
Chicago
IP
Bill to determine the R-factors for Spring 2010
interior walls that are not exposed to Chicago
soil
IC
The task group to work on Multi-Cell Sping 2010
tanks. An outline to be prepared for Chicago
the Fall Pittsburgh meeting
IC
Sanjay to propose shear distribution Spring 2009
at cables and bearing pads
San Antonio
IC
Provide guidelines and/or equations for Fall 2008
calculating the period of vibration of St. Louis
empty tanks
IC
Derive guidelines for the seismic design of Fall 2008
inner tanks (tanks inside tanks) and baffle St. Louis
walls
IC
Fall 2008
St. Louis
IC
Analysis of very large rectangular tanks
Fall 2008
St. Louis
IC
Computation of breathing mode Fall 2008
(vertical acceleration) period for site St. Louis
specific response spectrum
IV
Design the roof structure to resist the Fall 2008
resulting uplift pressures
St. Louis
IC
Sloshing for open top tanks: If the Fall 2008
sloshing height is greater than the St. Louis
freeboard, should this be allowed IC
since ASCE 7 does not allow this or
should a reduction be taken?
Ti for tank type 2.3 (sliding base tank) [Eq.
(9-26)]
12
13
Sherman
14
Monroe
Chen
Lucero
15
Spring 2010
Chicago
IC
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Rolf
has
written a
proposal
and
will
have
a
draft
for
Toronto.
Completed
Completed
Carl
is
working on
this.
Removed
Could
added
350.4.
Move
No. 7
be
to
to
16
Kianoush
3. NEW BUSINESS
A. Review of ACI 350- Chapter 13
Not discussed
Meeting adjourned.
Andrew Minogue
UNFINISHED BUSINESS ITEM 2-B FROM MONROE
Additions to Chapter 8:
8.3 Earthquake-induced earth pressure in the absence of groundwater
In the absence of a geotechnical report that provides the earthquake-induced earth
pressures, the following may be used in locations without groundwater:
For walls that can move sufficiently to develop active earth pressures (yielding walls), the
earthquake-induced earth pressure, Peg, may be determined by:
Peg = (3/8) (SDS/2.5)H2(I/R)
(8-1)
For walls that can not move sufficiently to develop active earth pressures (non-yielding walls),
the earthquake-induced earth pressure, Peg, may be determined by:
Peg = (SDS/2.5)H2(I/R)
(8-2)
(8-3)
Non-Yielding walls:
Peg = khwH2(I/R)
(8-4)
khw = (s/b)(SDS
/2.5)
(8-5)
Where:
s = saturated unit weight of the backfill
b = buoyant unit weight of the backfill = s w
R8.4 - Earthquake-induced earth pressure where groundwater is present
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The equations for earthquake-induced earth pressure where groundwater is present are taken
from Ebeling, R. M., and E. E. Morrison. 1992. The Seismic Design of Waterfront Retaining
Structures, Technical Report ITL-92-11. Vicksburg, Mississippi: Corps of Engineers
Waterways Experiment Station. The equations given here assume that groundwater is at
grade.
The two types of loads, "impact" and slowly "varying" [buoyant] will
be additive but not necessarily in phase, i.e. they won't both be at
their peak at the same moment in time. However, given the
uncertainties inherent in this recommended interim guidance, adding
the two together is reasonable when the short-duration impact loads
are deemed to be important.
The vertical force on the roof is given by:
Fv = (cv-va + cv-im) F*v
(1)
(2)
The FHWA recommend the following values for the empirical coefficients cv-va and cv-im
cv-va = 1.0 (no factor of safety), or 2 (factor of safety of 2)
cv-im = 3.0
But given that the two components will not necessarily be in phase, and to be consistent with
the approach elsewhere in 350.3, a SRSS of the coefficients could be used.
SRSS = 3.2, with cv-va = 1.0, and cv-im = 3.0
SRSS = 3.6, with cv-va = 2.0, and cv-im = 3.0
If a value of 3.6 is used in lieu of (cv-va + cv-im), Equation 1 becomes:
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Fv = 3.6zv)Av
(3)
zv
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