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At some point in your marijuana growing
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breathe out carbon dioxide (CO2). Plants

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levels would rise to intolerable levels.


Plants use CO2 for growth. It is the
essential building block for
photosynthesis (along with light and
water). Plants cannot grow without CO2.
The current levels in the atmosphere are
about 350 parts per million (PPM). It is
theorized that millions of years ago,
levels of CO2 were about 1,500 PPM.

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Throughout the years, plants have


evolved in many ways-and in many ways
have stayed the same. Knowing this can
be advantageous for us all.
It seems that plants have not lost the
ability to use up to 1,500 PPM of CO2.
Plant growth can be accelerated by
increasing the CO2 levels in your
growing area. Conversely, CO2 levels
below 250 PPM have a detrimental
effect on your plants. If you have six
plants growing in your closet, and there
is no ventilation, your plants can use the
CO2 in a few hours. They then stop
growing. You must, at a minimum,
provide fresh air for your plants every
hour or so. An even better way is to
provide supplemental CO2 for your
plants by using either a CO2 generator or
bottled CO2. Any of these solutions will
keep your plants growing at optimal
rates. It has been proven that you can
increase your growth rates by up to 20
percent and size by up to 30 percent by
providing supplemental CO2 at levels
over 1,200 PPM. You should never go
over 1,500 PPM, as this soon becomes
toxic for the plants, and they tend to
grow very stringy.
CO2 generators are simply specialized
burners that burn either propane or
natural gas to produce CO2. A byproduct
of this process is water, in the form of
humidity. When using a generator, it is a
good idea to keep an eye on your
humidity levels. CO2 generators are
optimized to produce as little heat as

possible, while producing as much CO2


as possible. They are normally rated in
cubic feet per hour (CFH). A standard 10foot-by-10-foot-by-8-foot room
containing 350 PPM takes about 1 CFH
to raise the levels to 1,500 PPM. The
level will drop throughout the day,
requiring smaller burns to keep the levels
constant. A CO2 PPM controller works
great for keeping your levels constant
with a CO2 generator.
Bottled CO2 can be obtained at most
hydroponic or welding stores. You need
a regulator/flow meter to get the CO2
out of the bottle in a measured manner.
You set the flow rate in CFH and set the
regulator on a timer to bring your CO2
levels to the desired level. A few
calculations will be needed to set your
CO2 levels correctly. You can also use a
CO2 PPM controller to maintain your
levels.
Plants do not use CO2 at night. It is not
necessary to supplement CO2 during
your dark cycles (mushrooms are an
exception). Properly used, supplemental
CO2 will only help your crops if you have
all of your other factors in line, such as
using a good nutrient mixed at an
appropriate strength, changing your
nutrients to prevent nutrient deficiencies,
having enough (and not too much light)
and keeping your temperature and
humidity are also plant limiting factors.
Once you have dialed in all these,
supplemental CO2 can help you gain the
most return on your plant growth.

used with permission from Culture


Magazine
DR. WHO is a Southern California expert
in plant cultivation. Reach him
atdrwho@freeculturemag.com.

Here is a GREAT forum post I found at


StonerForums.Com by
immacannaclubmember:
Carbon Dioxide Enrichment Methods ..
CARBON DIOXIDE (CO2)
Carbon dioxide is an odorless gas and a
minor constituent of the air we breathe.
It comprises only .03 % (300 parts per
million, or PPM) of the atmosphere but is
vitally important to all life on this planet!
Plants are made up of about 80-90 %
carbon and water with other elements
like nitrogen, calcium, magnesium,
potassium, phosphorous and trace

elements making up only a small


percentage. Almost all of the carbon in
plants comes from this minor 300 PPM
of carbon dioxide in the air.
Plants take in CO through pores, called
stomata, in their leaves during daylight
hours. They give off oxygen at the same
time, the results of a process called
photosynthesis. This oxygen that they
give off is used by humans and all
animal and marine life on this planet.
Without it, animal and human life would
not be possible.
Oxygen comprises almost 20 % of the
earths atmosphere. Most of it was
generated by plant life. The process of
photosynthesis combines CO2 and
water to form sugars and free oxygen.
Simple sugars like C6H12O6 provide
plants with energy and are formed into
the more complex plant parts such as
carbohydrates, amino acids, protein,
cellulose, leaves, roots, branches and
flowers.
People and animals breathe in oxygen
generated by plants and breathe out the
CO2 that the plants needa truly
symbiotic relationship. In ancient times,
millions of years ago, when there was
only plant life on the earth and no animal
life, the atmosphere was quite different.
There was much more volcanic activity,
one of natures sources of CO2, and the
air contained three to four times as
much of it than now. Plants thrived.
Giant tree ferns reigned supreme and

much of our coal, gas and oil deposits


were created by them during that longago time.
Plants would benefit from more CO2 in
the air today, and actually are benefitting
as we burn more fuels, one by-product
being carbon dioxide. CO2 in the air has
increased from 270 PPM to over 300
PPM, more than an 11% increase, in just
the last 40 years! This has also worried
many scientists because of what is
called the greenhouse effect.. The more
CO2 there is in the atmosphere, the
higher the planets temperature will go.
Too much warming of the planet can
melt ice caps, flood coastal cities,
spread deserts and famine and
drastically change the climate. This
effect is somewhat self-regulating
however. The oceans absorb a great
deal of CO2 giving algae and plankton,
90% of the plant matter on earth, more
CO2 to grow on and giving the rest of the
plant matter on land more also. This
decreases the amount of CO2 in the
atmosphere, thereby regulating it.
Scientists are just now learning to
understand the self-regulating systems
that stabilize most factors in our
environment.
CO2 ENRICHMENT
Biologists and plant physiologists have
long recognized the benefits of higher
CO2 content in the air for plant growth.
Horticulturists and greenhouse growers
have used CO generators to enhance

growth rates on plants for many years


with good results.
With the advent of home greenhouses
and indoor growing under artificial lights
and the developments in hydroponics in
recent years, the need for CO2
generation has drastically increased.
Plants growing in a sealed greenhouse
or indoor grow room will often deplete
the available CO2 and stop growing. The
following graph will show what depletion
and enrichment does to plant growth:

Below 200 PPM, plants do not have


enough CO2 to carry on the
photosynthesis process and essentially
stop growing. Because 300 PPM is the
atmospheric CO content, this amount is
chosen as the 100% growth point. You
can see from the chart that increased CO
can double or more the growth rate on
most normal plants. Above 2,000 PPM,
CO2 starts to become toxic to plants and
above 4,000 PPM it becomes toxic to
people.
With the advent of ideal growing
conditions conditions provided by metal
high-intensity discharge (H.I.D.) lighting
systems, hydroponics, environmental
controls such as temp., humidity, etc.
and complete, balanced plant nutrients
such as Ecogrow, the limiting factor on

plant growth rate, quality, size and time


to maturity becomes the amount of
carbon dioxide available to the plants.
There are five common methods of
generating extra amounts of CO2:
1. Burning hydrocarbon fuels
2. Compressed, bottled CO2
3. Dry ice
4. Fermentation
5. Decomposition of organic matter
We will discuss these five methods
briefly in turn. In order to make an
effective comparison of CO2 generation,
benefits and drawbacks, a std. 8 X 8 X
8 or 512 cu. ft. growing area will be
used.
1. BURNING HYDROCARBON FUELS:
This has been the most common
method of CO2 enrichment for many
years. A number of commercial growers
and greenhouses use it in their larger
structures. The most common fuels are
propane, butane, alcohol and natural
gas. Any of these fuels that burn with a
blue, white or colorless flame will
produce carbon dioxide, which is
beneficial. If a red, orange or yellow
flame is present, carbon monoxide is
being generated due to incomplete
combustion. Carbon monoxide is deadly
to both plants and people in any but the

smallest quantities. Fuels containing


sulfur or sulfur compounds should not
be used, as they produce by-products
which are harmful.
Most commercial CO2 generators that
burn these fuels are too large for small
greenhouse or indoor grow room
applications. Some small ones are avai
fable or a Coleman lantern, bunsen
burner or small gas stove can be used.
All of these CO2 generators produce
heat as a by-product of CO2 generation,
which is rarely needed in a controlled
environment grow room but may prove
beneficial in winter growing and cool
area greenhouses.
The rate of CO2 production is controlled
by the rate at which fuel is being burned.
In a gas burning CO2 generator using
propane, butane or natural gas, one
pound of fuel produces approximately 3
pounds of carbon dioxide gas and about
1.5 pounds of water vapor.
Approximately 22,000 BTUs of heat is
also added. These figures can vary if
other fuels are used.
To relate this to our standard example in
an 8 X 8 X 8 growing area, if you used
ethyl or methyl alcohol in a gas lamp or
burner at the rate of 1.3 oz. per day, we
would enhance the atmospheric
concentration of CO2 to 1300 PPM if the
room was completely sealed.
An enrichment standard of 1300 PPM
was chosen as it is assumed that 1500

PPM is ideal, and that the plants will


deplete the available CO2 supply by 100
PPM per hour. Remember, the normal
atmosphere contains 300 PPM of CO2. A
100% air exchange (leakage) every two
hours is assumed to be the average air
exchange rate in most grow rooms and
tight greenhouses. If many cracks and
leaks are present, this exchange rate will
increase significantly, but added CO2
(above 300 PPM) will also be lost. If a
vent fan is in use, disregard CO
enrichment, as it will be blown out as
fast as it is generated.
A circulation fan is beneficial, as it
moves the air about in the greenhouse or
grow room. If the air is still, it can cause
a depletion layer effect. This effect
causes the CO2 right next to the plant
leaf to be quickly depleted. If fresh air
carrying additional CO is not brought to
this surface, photosynthesis and growth
will diminish and eventually cease.
There are a number of factors involved in
keeping the CO2 content at the desired
concentration level. 1. If the greenhouse
or grow room is not tightly sealed up,
add up to 50% to the CO2 generator
production volume. 2. If temperature is
increased fiom 70 F to 90 F, add 20% to
the volume generated, and vice-versa. 3.
If the grow area contains large or tightly
spaced plants, add 20% to 30% to the
CO2 volume generated.
If more light is used, more CO2 can be
utilized and should be produced

proportionately up to the practical limit


of 5,000 footcandles per square yard and
1500 PPM CO2 atm. content. When
more CO is generated, more water and
plant nutrients should be used, again to
a practical limit of 2X normal. lf your
plants are going to grow faster because
of CO2 enrichment, they will need more
nutrient and water.
The last factor to consider in maintaining
a set CO2 level is the size of your
growing area. This is simply done for gas
burning and following methods by
setting up a mathematical ratio. In our
standard room (8 X 8 X 8), we have
512 cubic feet. If your growing area
measures 10 X 10 X 20, you have 2,000
cubic feet of volume to contend with. If
you want to use the ethyl alcohol/gaslamp enrichment method, set up the
ratio using l.3 oz. by weight of alcohol
per day gives:
1.3 oz./day = 512 cu. ft.
- X oz./day = 2,000 cu. ft. Then
cross multiply: 512 X = 1.3 X 2,000.
Dividing both sides by 512 gives you X =
(1.3 X 2000)/512, solve for X. X = 5 oz.
You need 5 oz. of ethyl alcohol per day in
a 10 X 10 X 20 grow area to generate
the same amount (1300 PPM) of CO2 as
in a 512 cu. ft. room.
To generate 1500 PPM above the
available CO2 (200 PPM) in the same
size area, set up the ratio:
1300 PPM = 5 ounces


1500 PPM = X
X = (5 X 1500)/1300 = 5.77 ounces.
NOTE: One pound of CO is equivalent to
approximately 8.7 cu. ft. of gas at
standard temperature and pressure.
If different hydrocarbon fuels are used,
the heat content, in terms of B.T.U.
should be taken into account. If the BTU
per hour rate is half that of ethyl alcohol,
twice as much must be burned to
generate the same approximate amount
of CO2 desired. The amount of CO2
generated depends on the carbon
content of the fuel being used. The BTU
per hour heat content can be obtained
from literature or suppliers.
2. COMPRESSED, BOTTLED CO2:
This is the second most popular method
of CO2 enrichment and provides fairly
accurate, controlled results.
Compressed CO2 comes in metal
containers under high pressure. Small
cylinders contain 20 lbs. of compressed
CO and large tanks hold 50 lbs. Pressure
ranges from 1600 pounds per square
inch to 2200 PSI.
To enrich available CO with compressed
gas, the following equipment is needed:
1. Tank of compressed CO2
2. Pressure regulator

3. Flow meter
4. Solenoid valve, (plastic or metal)
5. Short-interval 24 hr. timer capable of
having an on time variable from one to
20 minutes.
6. Connecting tubing, fittings and
adapters
PRESSURIZED CO2 ENRICHMENT
SYSTEM ARRANGEMENT
This method allows for the injection of a
controlled amount of CO2 into the
growing area at a given interval of time.
The pressure regulator reduces the
compressed gas pressure from 2200
lbs./square inch to a more controllable
amount (100 to 200 PSI) which the flow
meter can handle. The flow meter will
deliver so many cubic feet per minute of
CO2 to the plants for the duration of time
that the solenoid valve is opened. The
timer controls the time of day and length
of time that the solenoid valve is open.
To operate this CO enrichment system in
our standard 8 X 8 X 8 grow room area,
we want to add enough CO to increase
the near depleted level of 200 PPM to
1500 PPM. We must then add 1300 PPM
of CO2 to a volume of 512 cu. ft. We
would like to do this in intervals of time
relative to the natural air exchange rate
(leakage rate) to keep the CO level near
the 1500 PPM range.
Lets select an injection time interval

(CO2 enrichment time) of every two


hours. First, we must determine how
many cubic feet of CO2 must be added
to 512 cu. ft. of volume to increase our
200 PPM to 1500 PPM. To do this,
multiply the room volume of 512 cu. ft.
by .0013 (1300 PPM) to obtain 0.66 cu.
ft. of CO2 that is needed. Set the
regulator at 100 PSI and the flow meter
at 20 CFH (Cubic Feet per Hour) or 0.33
cubic feet per minute.
If we set our timer to stay on for two
minutes every two hours, we will get the
0.66 cubic feet of additional CO we need
to bring the CO level to the 1500 PPM
optimum level needed.
Each pound of CO compressed gas
contains approximately 8.7 cubic feet of
CO gas at atmospheric pressure.
Compressed CO2 costs around 50
cents/lb. at most supply houses. At that
rate of 0.66 cu. ft. every two hours for 18
hours per day, this method will cost
around 30 cents per day to operate. The
timer should be set to deliver CO2 during
the on time (daylight time) for which
the lights are set. This is the only time
the plants can use CO2; they do not use
it when its dark.
The compressed gas method of CO
enrichment has the advantages of fairly
precise control, readily available
equipment ($150.00 to $300.00 average
cost for an installation) and it does not
add extra heat to the growing area. It

also works well for small growing


spaces and after initial equipment costs,
is not expensive to operate.
3. DRY ICE METROD OF CO2
ENRICHMENT:
This method works well for small areas,
especially if some cooling effect is
desired. Dry ice, solid carbon dioxide, is
very coldabout 109 degrees F below
zeroso we suggest you handle it with
gloves. Dry ice is available through
freezer and meat packing outlets and is
relatively inexpensive. In our std. 8 X 8 X
8 room, you would need about 0.8 lbs. of
dry ice per day to raise the atmospheric
CO2 content to 1300 parts per million. If
the growing area is quite warm, 0.8 lbs.
can melt much faster than 18 hours.
Two methods can be used to regulate
this. One is to cut just small pieces,
about .1 lb., and add a new piece every
two hours to the growing area. The
second method is to put the required
amount in an insulated styrofoam box
with a few small holes cut in it. This will
slow the rate of melting considerably but
must be tuned in to get it just right so
0.8 lbs. melts in the 18 hours of light
on time. Extra dry ice must be kept in a
freezer to prevent loss due to
evaporation.
Since CO2 is heavier than air, one good
method of distributing it to the plants is
to attach the container or dry ice to the
light reflectors which are normally
placed over the plants. The CO2 will then

flow down through or over the lights and


evenly bathe the plants. If a circulation
fan is used, the dry ice or its container
should be placed directly in front or
behind it for even distribution. Common
to all CO2 enrichment methods, try to
seal up the room or greenhouse as best
you can, especially around the bottoms
of doors and walls.
The dry-ice method will cost around 60
cents per day for our standard sized, 512
cu. ft. grow room. A possible benefit of
using dry ice is the cooling effect it
produces.
4. FERMENTATION METHOD OF CO2
ENRICHMENT:
Sugar is converted into ethyl alcohol and
CO2 when it ferments due to the action
of yeast. In this method, the following
ingredients and equipment are needed:
1. Suitably sized container, plastic or
glass
2. Sugar, common or invert
3. Yeast, brewers or bourgelais wine
yeast
4. Yeast nutrient
5. Sealant, cellophane, tape or lid
6. 1/4 plastic tubin
7. 1/4 shutoff valve

8. Balloon
9. Starter jar or bottle
A pound of sugar will ferment into
approximately half a pound of ethyl
alcohol (C2H5OH) and half a pound of
CO2. One pound of CO2 makes 8.7 cubic
feet of CO2 gas at normal atmospheric
conditions. In our standard 8 X 8 X 8
grow room, you will need to generate
512 cu. ft. X .0013 (1300 PPM CO2) =
0.66 cubic feet of CO2 every four hours.
It takes time for the yeast to ferment
sugar, so the size of container you
should use in determined by dividing the
cubic feet of growing area (512 Cu. ft.)
by 32 = 16 gallons.
A convenient container to use here
would be a plastic kitchen garbage can.
These are inexpensive and easily
obtainable.
To determine how much sugar we need
for six weeks of operation or until
fermentation ceases, the following
calculations are necessary: From the
above paragraph, we need 0.66 cu. ft. of
CO2 every four hours. If one pound of
CO2 makes 8.7 cu. ft. of CO2, we will
need 0.08 lbs. of sugar, but because
every one pound of sugar only makes
1/2 lb. of CO2, we must double the
amount of sugar needed, i.e. 0.08 X 2 =
0.16 lbs. of sugar every four hours. Since
there are six four-hour periods in a 24
hour day, the amount of sugar we need
is 0.16 x 6 or 0.96 lbs. of sugar per day.

If we round this off to one pound of


sugar per day, we will need 42 lbs. of
sugar in six weeks. We must consider
that only 80 to 90% of the sugar will be
completely converted in this length of
time, therefore, we should actually use
about 48 lbs. of sugar in six weeks.
The sugar solution to start with is 2 1/2
to 3 lbs. per gallon. You can use hot
water to start with, as sugar dissolves
faster in it than in cold water. You must
let it cool to 80-90 degrees F before
adding yeast to it or the yeast will be
killed. Start with the fermenting
container only half-full as you will be
adding an extra gallon per week for 6
weeks. Begin with eight gallons per week
and 24 lbs. of sugar.
To start the solution fermenting, you will
want to make a starter batch of sugar
water, yeast and yeast nutrient. To do
this, use a coke or beer bottle (approx.
one pint), dissolve 1/4 lb. of sugar in 10
oz. of warm water (approx. 3/4 full), add
a pinch of yeast and two pinches of
yeast nutrient to this sugar mixture.
Place a balloon on the bottle and set in
warm location, 80 to 90 degrees F, for
one to two days or until the balloon
expands and small bubbles are visible in
the solution.
After the starter solution has begun
fermenting vigorously, it is added to the
main fermentation tank at the same
temperature already mentioned. After a
day or so, to see that the system is

working properly and that CO2 is being


generated, close the valve to the supply
tube and, if the unit is sealed properly,
the balloon should expand in a short
period of time. To regulate the amount
of CO2 being delivered to the plants,
open the valve until the balloon is only
half the size of full expansion.
The CO2 supply tube with in-line valve
should have a 2 loop in it half full of
water to serve as an air-lock. This loop
can be held in place with tape on the
side of the fermentation tank. The open
end of this tube can either be positioned
in front of a circulating fan or run
through T fittings to make additional
tubes, the ends of which can be
positioned above your plants.
Remember, CO2 is heavier than air and it
will flow downwards.
Once per week, undo a corner of the
Saran Wrap and add an extra gallon of
sugar solution and yeast nutrient, then
reseal the top with tape. Use three lbs. of
sugar and one teaspoon of nutrient per
gallon.
After the last gallon is added, after six
weeks of operation, let fermentation
continue until the balloon goes down
and no more bubbles are visible in the
U tube. When this point has been
reached, taste the solution. If is it sweet,
fermentation is not complete and a new
starter batch should be made and added
to the tank. More yeast nutrient should
also be used. If the solution is dry (not

sweet) like wine, fermentation has


stopped and the alcohol content has
killed the yeast. At this point, its time to
clean your tank and start a new batch.
The fermentation process is quite good
for generating CO2 and relatively
inexpensive. Regular or invert (corn)
sugar is inexpensive and available. You
may have to purchase invert sugar at a
wine supply store. This method of
generating CO2 will cost approximately
50 to 60 cents per day.
To save money on extra yeast, you can
either take out approximately a gallon of
fermenting liquid and save for the next
batch, or start a second system identical
to the first and alternate themclean
and replenish one, then three weeks
later, clean and replenish the second.
5. DECOMPOSITION PROCESS OF
GENERATING CO2:
When organic matter decomposes due
to bacterial action, carbon dioxide is
generated. Plants grow lush and
vigorously on a tropical jungle floor as a
result of this natural decay of dead plant
and animal matter. This can increase the
available CO2 content from the normal
300 PPM amount to over 1,000 parts per
million. This can also be done indoors,
for little cost, but is odorous and
unsanitary. For these and other reasons,
it is not highly recommended. The sterile
conditions of a well-set-up hydroponic
grow room or greenhouse could be

disrupted and adverse bacteria, bugs


and disease induced with detrimental
effects on your plants.
In conclusion, all these methods will
work if done properly and CO2
enrichment is a very beneficial addition
to your greenhouse or grow room
systems. Some are more practical than
others, some less expensive and some
require more time and attention. All
chemical reactions are temperature
dependent and photosynthesis is no
exception. With CO2 enrichment, a
higher temperature, up to 100 degrees F,
can be used, more light may be needed
as it is required for the photosynthetic
reaction to take place. More water and
nutrients will also be required, and a
machete may be necessary to control
the added, sometimes startling extra
growth rates possible on most plants by
using CO2 enrichment!
Eco Enterprises sells the following CO2
enrichment equipment:
1. Bottled (compressed gas) CO
controller system, comes with
regulator and flow meter, timer,
solenoid valve, tubing, balloon
fittings and instructions. Price
$199.50
2. CO2 fermentation kit, comes with
nutrient, yeast, tubing, valve and
instructions. Price $17.50
CONTACT:
Eco Enterprises

2821 N.E. 55th St.


Seattle, Wa. 98105
Tel. 1-800-426-6937
(In WA 206-523-9300)

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Does anyone know about introducing CO2


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1/4" irrigation soaker hose. plugged at

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i cant fin the equipment anywhere please


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how can i control the heat and the humidity


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Finlinea
4 years ago

It is good article on relationship of CO2 And


Marijuana Plants It explained in detail. Still,
many people I've encountered over the
years first insist that adding CO2 didn't
increase their growth at all. After talking
with these good folks and walking them
through a checklist, each one was
eventually able to realize the full benefits of
CO2. Combating this problem can be tricky,
but if you follow this checklist you'll be
harvesting thicker, heavier, bigger buds in
no time. By using simple tricks of pros we
can get better marijuana yields.
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4 years ago

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