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Draw a line with a slope of SHR from the room condition to the saturated curve. This is your dew point condition. Join the
ambient condition state point to the dew point. The total load on the coil will be the mass flow rate of air times the enthalpy
difference between the ambient condition and the dew point condition. In some cases, the SHR line becomes an asymptote to
the saturation curve. In this case, assume some arbitrary dew point and add reheat into the process.
The link below gives you description and details of many psychrometric processes. Have a look into it.
http://www.coolit.co.za/psychart/
Waross,
Nice thinking and I feel that is the whole idea behind these forums.
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Right data:
BTU load varies from 3-5 btu/cu foot exclusive of internal loadings.
Ok, (willard3) the first formula you gave, me was a variation of the first law of thermodinamics, another way to put it is using
the mass flow times the enthalpy difference between ambient condition and dew point condition, but in both cases i need a flow
of air in terms of mass or volume, and there is my confusion. The other question is : do i need a 55F leaving air temperature in
a system using 100% outside air?. I make this question because i assume that in this kind of system, there is no mix between
the air in the room and the air from outside to achive a medium temperature, because eventually the total volume of air in the
room will be exhauted and replace for a new volume from the outside, so i was thinking that the leaving air temperature should
be the temperature of the conditions i want in the room, lets say 73.
I am going to take a stab at this.
Design condition:
Outside air temp (DB/WB) = 92F/68F (0.5% mean summer temp Los Angeles)
Supply air temp = 55F
Assumptions:
Dimension of space 60'(L)x60'(W)x15'(H)
20 people x 250 btu/hr = 5000 btu/hr
2.5 watts/sf lighting = 9000 btu/hr
Assume 5,000 BTU/hr exterior loads
------------------------------------ACH (Air change per hour) = 10
therefore CFM = ACH x Volume / 60 = (10 x 54,000 cu ft)/60 = 9,000 cfm
So 9,000 cfm is required to exhaust the room 10 times per hour.
Now to determine the load on the cooling coil:
Cooling coil load = 1.1 x CFM x (T1 - T2) = 1.1 x 9,000 x (92-55) = 366,300 BTU/hr
Summing all the loads:
366,300 btu/hr + 5000 btu/hr + 9000 btu/hr + 5,000 btu/hr = 385,300 btu/hr or 32 tons.
So to select a unit to suit all the above loads, I will select a 35 ton unit.
This is just a generic example. There are many other loads that I am not incorporating. Hopefully this can get you in the right
direction.
Ok, so far, all the things that had been told here, i already knew it.I think i,m not asking the right question, so here i go, how
can i determine the total cfm that is required to pass trough a cooling coil in a system that requires 100% outside air, or how do
i know how many changes of air do i need.
The CFM required is calculated by the engineer. Typically for a laboratory the ACH is 6-15 ACH. A restroom is 4-8 ACH. (these
are recommended numbers we use in our office. These are not a standard.)
Does that help?
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One thing not to overlook is that the latent load is going to be rather high, given that this is a locker room with showers. A
recirculated system's latent loads at the coil could be higher than the OSA senario. I would look up latent load and air change
recommendations in the ASHRAE Fundamentals Handbook. It may make more economical sense to go with 100% O.S.A. and
keep my discharge air at say 60 65 degrees afterall it is a locker room. Hey I have enough problem with shrinkage. ;>) Good
luck, with this much advise how could you go wrong?
I'm not a real engineer, but I play one on T.V.
A.J. Gest, York Int.
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ok, here is the problem
a locker room
Area 3550 sqft
height 10ft
35 persons in the room
what will be the diference in my load calculation if the system is 100% recirculate air or 100% outside air.
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The difference in your load calculation is HUGE.
Post a little more information like whats your design room temp? For public locker rooms I design around a 77-78 Deg. Indoor
temp year round.
A few things you need to know first about locker rooms.
Locker rooms should always be kept slightly negative.
The locker room area should be completely sealed NO plenum returns No mixing of air with other systems.
You are allowed to re-circulate air providing it is the air from the locker room area.
You must have exhaust fans.
You dont always need 100% Outside air just enough to provide proper ventilation to match your exhaust.
I have use E.R.Vs in locker rooms to recover as much energy as possible to lower the load.
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In your case if you use 100% outside air you will need to exhaust 110% of that air (to keep the space slightly negative)
Thats a HUGE load to cool and then to exhaust if you live in a warm climate.
Core
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