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about your disability or health issue please?
My disability is called athetoid cerebral palsy, which means I have got limited use of
my limbs and I am on medication for my control and I have difficulty in walking and
my speech is very difficult to get through sometimes, but not always.
Thank you. So going back to the beginning, when were you born?
I was born 11th May 1972 in Peterborough Maternity Unit, Peterborough, Special
Care unit, because when I was born I was very very ill and it was lack of oxygen that
caused the damage to my brain and that is why my condition is called Cerebral
palsy,
I lived with mum and dad at 55 The Grove, Market Deeping, Peterborough.
My mother was a cleaner and she still is; my dad was a dumper truck driver.
No.
Immediately after you were born what medical attention did you get, or that you can
remember?
My mum got, well, she didnt really get much help but I had physiotherapy and
speech therapy but she had, she had to get a major buggy for me because at that
time my limbs were too weak to sit up and my walking when I were born I couldnt
talk as well as I can now.
What was the attitude of your mum and dad to your disability?
They coped with it and they helped me in the best possible way. But dad was a
problem of ill health so my sister would help me.
He had a kidney transplant, a stroke, then he developed cancer, and thats what
killed him.
So quite recently?
So 2006?
Yeah. And Richard went to Andys dad then, dad died on the Thursday and Richard
went on the Thursday, on the Monday.
Whos Richard?
My boy.
So you siblings were very supportive of you when you were young?
Yes they still are now but not as much because I am independent. And they, they, I
only bother them if I need them.
What was your house like when you were growing up?
My house was quite good when I grew up but I did have a bit of bad chest and
wheezes. But they didnt diagnosis it as asthma it was just a weak chest when I was
younger.
Stamford.
Stamford?
Yes. Then I went to St Francis at Lincoln then I went to the Dart Centre at
Cheltenham then I came here.
Not far.
Eleven.
Do you have any particular memories of that place? Any particular maybe friends or
teachers or anything?
Ive got good, I had good teachers and I still see, I used to see one of them because
they lived near my mum but they dont now.
Yeah, Lincoln,
Eighteen I think.
Yeah.
Well there werent much after school. We used to go back to our dormitories, and no
privacy, we used to share a room, we couldnt do what we wanted to do?
Did you get on with the person you shared the room with?
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
English.
What about the kind of care you got there, how did you feel about that?
It was alright.
Alright.
Yeah.
Cheltenham. I loved that but I was very very home sick for a start because I used to
live there all term.
Yeah.
And what about the people you met there, did you get on with them?
Yeah.
I did eventually.
birthdays, my home economics teacher. She had Polio when she was at a young
age.
At that time did you have any thoughts about what you wanted to do in the future?
Did you have any ambitions or anything when you were young?
No not really. Well I would have liked to work with children but when I was here I
could do volunteering at the nursery but they dont do anything like that now.
So you went to the Star Centre at the age of 18 and what age did you leave there?
I was there for years. I wasnt, my, my education was for two years, I was lucky to
get an extended year.
Yeah.
I came here.
It was my social worker that got me in here because I didnt know because I thought
it was just the hospital. But it made me greatly more independent.
MacFarlane-Grieve.
Well it was rooms and we used to share the dining room and...
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September the 6th 1997 19987 Weve been married 19 years next year.
Yeah in Tallinn.
It was like a workshop, packing things, but I was limited to what I could do with my
hands.
Yeah.
Dont know.
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It wasnt so long ago I think. How did you feel when they got rid of the industry?
When you found out you wont have a job anymore?
A bit depressing but I was offered to go to Huntingdon but I didnt want to.
They got a workshop there. But when I got pregnant with Richard they rook me off
the programme and I wasnt very keen on going back there. But I enjoyed doing
pottery, I did pottery, woodwork, art in Tallinn, I enjoyed that but
Yeah?
Going back to your CP, how do you feel the medical treatment youve received has
changed over the years?
I had more physio when I was younger, and they started physio here, and like
everything else it stopped.
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Because they got me walking, I do walk round the bungalow but I cant walk out out
you see but if I got more physio I would have tried to done it.
Dont know. Because it used to be at Robert Ellis but that all got knocked down.
There is physio at the hospital but its getting there and back. And at the moment I
think we have to pay for it.
I met him in Tallinn. And he used to live at Robert Ellis and I used to go and see him
and thats how it developed.
Oh I dont know when I met him, we got engaged, the particular Christmas. We
decided to wait to tell all the family at Christmas. Then we got all the wedding
arranged and I walked up the aisle. I was determined to do it and I did it.
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18 years.
because Mrs Martin the warden at MacFarlane Grieve let Andy in the end do what
care I needed so he werent put in the deep end. But I dont need much looking
after. The only problem is that at meal times I do need my food cut up and put my
apron on and that but apart from that Im very independent.
Where we are now. Because Mrs Martin thought it was pointless paying a bit more
rent on my flat but luckily a bungalow came free or we dont know what we would
have done.
Then I unfortunately lost a child, my first child, that was a total accident, but now I fell
pregnant and got Richard.
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This Friday.
The 27th?
Alright. But we had problems afterwards, thats why hes where he is.
Yeah. Well we had all the care in, but we had problems, they wouldnt allow him to
live with us, but we had difficulty looking after him. We had him since he was two
then we had to go court for him in London, it was a bit traumatic for me. I didnt
know where I was.
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Because the judge was the wife of the husband, the judge was the husband who did
it, they wouldnt allow that.
So whose decision was it that Richard should go and live with Andys brother?
What was your opinion on that? Social services were saying you couldnt look after
him?
This was when he was two, so youd looked after him up until he was two which is a
very difficult periods?
Yeah. But we had a lot of other problems as well. They were blaming me and Andy
a lot.
That we couldnt manage him because Andy did all the work. But we had live-in
carers to help us look after him but we didnt really get a life on our own because it
was a live-in carer and she was always there. And they accused me of getting upset
and everything really got on top of me. And that, to tell you the truth, mum and my
family had to watch me because I know I wouldnt do it but I was on the verge of
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doing something. But my dad was ill with cancer and he died on the Thursday
before and Richard went on the Monday so I had it all that week.
Yeah but what made me so mad was my sister was going to help me out but social
services didnt like the state of her house because she was going through a divorce
at that time and they sort of blamed her about it. I dont really get on with Andys
side anyway?
Of the family?
Yeah.
Not a lot now. Cos my sister used to take us in my car quire regular buts shes
changed her job and the car and shes not got time to take us. And mum wont go by
train, and mum noted that their house isnt very good for me and Andy to get in.
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Is, as far as you know or as far as you are aware, is Richard happy where he is?
Yes, very happy. Hes getting on well at school. We are on Facebook now and we
get a lot of pictures from John because his girlfriend has got cancer. Mandy got
cancer. Shes still got it but it depends how she is.
Whos Mandy?
Whos got him, Andys sister in law. But John mainly deals with Richard because of
her health you see.
Yes. He said to, I really miss mum and dad. And he said on the phone the other
week When will I see you? But they wont bring him to Papworth the bungalow is
not suitable.
No theres things everywhere and he touches things. And they, but they bring him to
my side of the family but they havent been lately because mummy tried to get them
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down for Christmas. But Susan got them to take us to an activity centre near them to
meet up with them.
We go to my side. But my mum went on Saturday and theyre letting her know but
theyre not very good in letting her know.
72. I think.
Yeah.
In what way?
The work has changed a lot. And we used to have transport in Papworth. But we
havent got any now.
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No.
No. Well were we had permission it was two drivers that did it between them but
theyre both retired and the transport stopped.
Yeah yeah.
Dont know.
But I joined H.A.C.T. Have you seen it advertised? DISH (Disability Huntingdonshire)
have got the information if you would like to have a look. H.A.T.T. No, H.A.C.T.
Yeah. And it a company from March and it covers a lot of areas.
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We book it.
How about in other terms of the village do you feel that its?
Want my honest?
Yes and no. sometimes I get on with them I dont think part of them very organised.
What was the organisation like say twenty odd years ago when you came here? How
was Papworth then when you first came? Like Papworth Trust?
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Im not sure because I dont deal we only deal with the maintenance cos that who
repairs the
Do you think theres a strong sense of community in the village? Like do people get
on with one another and stuff?
Some people. I get on mainly with a lot of people but I dont want to go into that. But
I go out, Im never at home cos I book HACTS, I go out with them a lot.
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Whereabouts is that?
In terms of your condition, your cerebral palsy, how has that changed over the
years? Because obviously conditions dont generally stay the same.
As I get older without the physio I found it harder to get about but. Like getting out of
bed, I do find it difficult without help.
Andy.
Hes my carer.
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Yes.
No with Richard.
To help me with Richard. But that didnt all work out because our house wasnt our
own if you get, they were in and out with they would changeover, and that was what
the whole problem was: I got so frustrated and I didnt mean to let rip. Not the carer
but, one carer was fabulous with us. Till they had to change, they was on a fortnight
then they had to change to another fortnight and then we didnt get on with the
carers social services selected. Richard was under Child Protection anyway.
In your own personal opinion, do you think fir Richard it is, what do you think would
have been best for Richard, for him to stay with you or?
No I think it wouldnt, hes best where he is now, but I know I, I, I dont get upset now.
But I used to. We used to see him quite a lot cos my sister used to take us very a lot
but she then changed and shes got a different job and it takes all her time. Shes a
Child Protection manager now.
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She was helpful. She came to court with me and Andy and she supported me and
Andy.
How do you think, over the years, that attitudes towards people with disabilities has
changed?
Well has there been, do you think that people who do not have a disability, do you
think that over the years as youve got older, the attitudes has changed?
I can tell whos not born with the disability, theyve got different attitudes.
Theres a lady down our road, shes, er, cant accept help.
Yeah, yeah.
Do you think thats because she hasnt come to terms with her disability?
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Do you think people who were born with a disability and people who acquire a
disability, do you think there are any other differences?
I dont know but when me and Andy we did act, with a disability you were born with it
all the while, and you got to accept it really. If you know what I mean.
How do you think that change in legislation has affected people with disabilities?
I think we have some information, I think we got to change over to another benefit.
But I dont understand it.
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How does that affect you? Like how does that make you feel when you know your
benefits are changing.
Cos Im on income support now and I used to be on STA and income support I do
get a bit more money, and Andy gets carers allowance and mobility but he dont get
much carers allowance. But we manage with what we get.
Have you, would you say generally over the years have you seen you income
increase, decrease, stay the same?
How do you feel your quality of life is? Do you feel you have enough money or do
you worry about money?
I do worry about it as well, I have to put money by if I need anything. Like the deli, I
used to go in there, but Ive not spare money.
If you could change something about society, to make things, to improve things form
people with disabilities, what changes would you make, what need to change do you
think?
Like what?
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Anything at all?
The paths?
Yes.
Anything else?
No not really.
I do not like people when they talk down to me, that really gets up my goat. It got
better, but it could improve.
Yeah.
I dont know.
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I wish I could do things more than the able-bodied, if I was able-bodied I would like to
do more, but I just accept what I got and take one day as it comes. But I tell you in
the New Year I go in the hospital to have my gall bladder removed so Ive got that on
my mind.
Cos I had so much pain. And I still got. A week on Monday I went to the hospital to
have a, is it an MRA scan, to see, I still got pain here, but they dont want to operate
this time until they find out whats wrong that side. But I go back on the 17 th of
December to have a pre-medical and then they decide what theyre going to do.
Quite a lot. Because it was lack of oxygen didnt get to my brain in time.
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Obviously having Cerebral Palsy there are challenges around actually giving birth,
how much support did you get then? Were the midwives good?
Yes very good, they did what my mum told me. Because they told, cos, the nanny
said, she told me if I was two minutes from oxygen I wouldnt have been like that,
they ran me a long while, that did the damage.
Right, so when you came to have Richard you felt that you were properly
Yeah. But you were confident in the midwives and that they, were you worried
because of the fact that youd had a difficult, when you were born there were
complications, did that, were you worried about that for Richard?
A third baby?
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In April before we got married and I didnt know I was pregnant then. It was a total
mistake butand then I wanted to try again. And then I got a real one.
Is there anything you would like us to talk about or that youd like to tell me that you
havent told me so far?
No.
Ok. Well thank you Jo and well stop the recording there.
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