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Timeframe: we can divide Indian commodities market into 2 sessions, first from 10:00am to 6pm then second is after open
internationalmarketfrom6:00pmtoendoftheday.Mostofthetimefrom10amto6pm,commoditiesmarketisrangebound
andafter6pmitsshowbigreversalmovement.After6:30pm,tradingincommoditieswithsmallSLforbigtargetisveryuseful.
News:Newsincommoditiestradingisveryimportant.Commoditytradingisbasedoninternationalnewsbecausedirectionof
trend can find by the international news and price only but this is always a headache for trader. There is a lot of news about
commoditiesininternationalmarket,whichisusefulandwhichisnotuseful.Sometimetradermissbasicnewsalsoandsome
time he collect too much useless news from internet like he is not intraday trader but want to buy commodities for future
requirementofhisprojectinphysicalformsonowhedgingthem.Mostofcommoditiestraderevenearninggoodprofitfromitby
intradayorpositionaltradesalsodontknowthatwhythecommodityExchangeandhowitworksinreal.Justonbusinessnews
channelat10amand6pm,thereyoucanfindcommoditiesnews.Thereyoucanfindallnecessarynewsaboutcommodities.Its
morethanenoughforintradaytrading.
Chart Setup and Read: Just open chart of commodity, there should be Price and Volume panel on chart. Apply ATP in the
chart.ATPismostimportantfactorincommodities.Youcanaddpivotlevelalsoinit.Alwayswatchvolumepartofchart.Please
dontmakeyourcharttodrawingsheetbyaddalotofindicatorsanddrawstraight,right,left,horizontal,vertical.Up,down100
200linesinchartnameofsocalledxyzstrategyandanalysisthenyoucantseeproperpricealso.
FindtheopportunityforLONGandSHORT:AlwaysLONGthestrongcommoditiesandSHORTtheweakcommodities.
StrongCommodity:
BuyersaremorethanSellers
Percentagechangeismorethan+0.5%
SustainabovetheATP
AnypositivebreakoutatHistoricalchartcanalsoconfirm.
WeakCommodity:
SellersaremorethanBuyers.
Percentagechangeismorethan0.5%
SustainbelowtheATP
AnyNegativebreakoutatHistoricalchartcanalsoconfirm.
TradingMethods:
ATPRespect:ATPplaysamajorroleincommoditytrading.ATPworksasasupportandresistancelevelforcommodity.Ifany
commodityisstrongthenATPworksasasupportlevelforit.WhenitscometonearATPthenmostpossibleitwillrespectthe
ATPandwillstartraisefromhere.YoucanbuyitnearATPandjustputtheSLslightlybelowtheATP.SoyourSLwillsmalland
Targetwillbebig.
Similarlywithweakcommodity,ATPworksasaresistanceforweakcommodity.WhenitscometonearATPthenmostpossible
itwillfailtobreakATPlevelandagainstartdownside.SoyoucanshortitnearATPlevelandputSLjustslightlyabovetheATP.
SoyourSLwillsmallinrespecttotarget.
ATPCrossover:WhenareversalcomeinmarketandcommoditybreaktheATPassupportorresistancelevelthenitsknown
as ATP crossover. When any commodity cross the ATP then most possible it will show any big movement. If any strong
commodityshowreversalandbreaktheATPassupportthenyoucansellitwhenitsbreaktheATPlevelandputtheSLslightly
abovetheATP.SoyourSLwillsmallandTargetwillbebig.
Similarly,ifanyweakcommodityshowreversalandbreaktheATPasresistancethenyoucanbuyitabovetheATPleveland
putSLslightlybelowtheATP.SoyourSLwillsmallandTargetwillbebig.
CageStrategy:Cagestrategyismostpowerfulincommoditytrading.Incagestrategy,keptopenaBuyorderabovethehigh
andSellorderbelowthelow.Whenacommoditybreakthehighorlowlevelthenmostpossibleitsmakethenewbighighand
low.WhenaorderexecuteintheCagestrategy,JustplaceSLslightlybelowtheprevioushighforbuyorderandslightlyabove
thepreviouslowforexecutedsellorder.SoyourSLwillsmallandTargetwillbebig.
Therearesometricksthatyoucanuseformakemorewinningchanceinabovemethodsbutyoushouldsomepracticebefore
applyit.
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DoubleStopLossorder:Inthistrick,weshalladddoublequantityinourSLorderforabovestrategy.SowhenourSLwillhit
thenwithhalfquantityouropenpositionwillsquareoffandwithresthalfquantitywecangetprofitandrecoverourlosswhatwe
madebySLhit.
Likeifcrudeoilisstrongandwebought1lotcrudeoilneartheATPwith2LotstoplossjustslightlybelowtheATP.Suddenly
crudeoilshowsthereversalanditsbreaktheATP.Wehad2lotSLorders,sowith1lotourbuyingpositionwillsquareoffand
another1lotwillshortanditwillstartgenerateprofitforus.CrudeoilbreaktheATPsomostpossibleitwillshowbigmovement
becauseitsbroketheimportantATPlevels.SowiththisextralotprofitwecanrecoverourlosswhathemadewithSLhit.If
there is any big downside then we can generate extra profit also after recover loss with SL hit one lot. For like this trick, you
shouldhavegoodpractice.
AddExtraLotnearStopLoss:Inthistrick,weaddextralotwithsamestoploss.Likewehavebought1lotcrudeoilat3250
with3240SL.Ifcrudeoilnowstartstodownsideanditscomeneartoourstoplossthenwecanaddonemorelotofcrudeoilat
3248levelswithsame3240SL.IfitshitstoplossthenlosswillbeverysmallforextraaddonelotbutifitsrespectourSLlevel
anditsstarttoraisewithouthitourSLthenwewillhave2lotandouravg.buyingpricewillalsoreducesoourprofitwillmore
andwecangetexitwithprofit.Forlikethistrick,youshouldhavegoodpractice.
HedgingTechnique:
Therearesomehedgingtechniquealso,itssoundgoodintheoreticalbutpracticallyitsnotgoodbet.Iamjustsharingwithyou.
PairHedging:Inpairhedging,webuystrongcommodityandsellweakcommodityfromthesamesectorordifferentsectorat
the same time. Its on possibility that at least one will hit target but some time both hit SL then add brokerages and tax, its
becomemoreworst.
SameCommoditywithdifferentmonths:Inthis,webuyonemonthandsellnextmonthsamecommoditysamethetimewith
verysmallSL.Soifcommodityraiseorfall,wecangetthatmovement.Itssoundgoodastheoreticallybutinthissuretythatone
sideSLwillhit,soaftercutonesideSLandbothsidesbrokeragesandtaxes,thereisverysmallprofitremainthatalsoifits
showanybigmovement.Iffailtoshowbigmovementthenitcanbeinlossalso.SometimebothSLhitandbigloss.Soitshould
beavoidifyouarenotfamiliarlikethistechnique.
Thisisallaboutintradaytradingincommodities.Whatshouldyouhavetoknowaboutpracticallyintradaytradingincommodities
is described here. You can read many books and join many online and offline courses about intraday trading in commodities,
theywilltellyouroundroundmanythingstoimpressbutfinallyforearnprofitinrealpracticallyintradaycommoditiestrading,this
oneonlypossiblemethods.Youshouldhavegoodpractice.Youcanpracticeatleastonemonthwiththisandcanseeresult.
Youwilldomanymistakes.Noproblem,mistakesarepartoflearning.Youshouldidentifythatmistakesandremovethemone
byone.Icanidentifyalsowhatmistakesandproblemsyouwillfaceduringthislearning:
1.YoucantmangeStopLoss,sometimeyourSLwillverysmallsoitwillhitveryearly.SometimeyourSLwillverybigsoafter
reversaltrendstartalsoitwilltaketimetohitandyouwilllossbiginSLhit.
2. You cant determine target, some time you will book your profit very early. Some time your target will very high so it will
reverseandhityourSLbeforehityourtargetevenyouwereinprofitatatime.
3.YoucantidentifythereversalandyouwilltrapinitandyourSLwillhit.
4.NeartheATPsupportorresistance,ATPcrossover,cagestrategyandsomeimportantlevelsandimpulsebuyandsellwill
generate,youwillidentifyitwronglyandwilltrapinitandyourSLwillhit.
Youshouldnotworryaboutit.Itsallpartoflearning.Youhavetolearnfromit.Aftersomepracticeyouwillgetmaturityandyou
can easily identify like this situation and can easily avoid like this mistakes. Then also a small probability will always there for
mistakesandyoushouldacceptitwithSL.Youcanpapertradeorcantradewithminilotsornottradealsoitsallyourchoice.
Thereisnoforceforlearn.
Mostly time commodities show big movement after 6:00 pm (after international market open) but menthe oil can show big
movementindaytimealso.Nickelisanaughtcommodityitcangivesurprisewithsharpbigmovementeitherbullorbearside
any time of day, so keep aware about it. Commodities show sharply big movement in one direction so doesnt trade with
commoditieswithoutstoploss.DontkeepSLinyourmindalwaysputyourSLinterminalotherwiseeverythingwillremainin
your mind and you will not able to do anything. If I forget to add anything or some mistakes made during write this then as a
human its mine right to do like this error. Please ignore this. This article is only for learning purpose. Its not any advice or
recommendation.
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2015(6monthsago(20150507T21:29:03+05:30))
SimpleTechnicalIntradaycommodityTrading
IamgoingtoshareasimpleintradaycommoditytradingmethodusingverysimpleindicatorswithLiveandRealcharts.
IndicatorsRequired:
1. 5EMA
2. 20EMA
3. 5minCandelstickchart
Long:
When5EMAcrossover20EMAfromdowntoup.
Genrateagreencandelstickwithcloseaboveornear5EMA
Nextcandelstickshouldalsogreen
StopLossshouldbesomebelowthe5EMAand20EMAcrossoverorwhereyoucomfort.
Target,whereyouwillcomfortyoucanbookortrailStopLossasyouwish
Short:
When5EMAcrossover20EMAfromuptodown.
Genratearedcandelstickwithclosebelowornear5EMA
Nextcandelstickshouldalsored
StopLossshouldbesomeabovethe5EMAand20EMAcrossoverorwhereyoucomfort.
Target,whereyouwillcomfortyoucanbookortrailStopLossasyouwish
Justsharingsomechartforeasytounderstand,thisallchartsareliveandrealchartoftoday,youcanselfconfirm.
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