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CHILDREN

Relevant houses or planets or signs :


2nd house indicates family - its growth and expansion.
5th house is of conception: 1st child; children in general, confinement (in female chart).
6th house is of labour pains; 7th house is of 2nd conception;
9th house is of Srd co nce ptio n; in fema le nat ivity- children.
11th house is 5th house from 7th (partner 's lagna), pregnancy of wife, 4th child ;
12th house - hospitalisation.
Jupiter is putra karaka; Kethu is an abortive node; Venus produces sperms.
Odd signs are male, even are female; Sun, Mars, Jupiter are ma le planets and Moon, Venus
are female planers.
Barren signs are : Aries, Gemini , Leo, Virgo.
Barren (impotent) planet s are: Mercury and Saturn .
Uranus and Pluto in the 5th house arc harmful for conception.
To judge anything about children. following planets/signs are to be studie:-
I) 5th house from Iagna, from Moon, from Jup iter & from 5th (i.c. the 9th).
2) The planets, Ju piter, the Sun, Venus, the Moon and Mar s.
3) Lords of lagna, of the 5th house, ofthe signs occupie d by 5th lord and Jupiter.
4) Lords of the navamsas of J upiter, 5th lord. and the lord of the 7th house.
5) The planet s occupying and aspect ing the 5th house.
Sex or the t hUdren:
I) Lord of 5th in an Odd Sign gives more sons, in even sign-more da ughters. female planets
in 5th give more daughters, male planets-more Sons.
2) Male issues are indicated by: (a) The 5th house fall ing in an odd sign and odd nal'amsa;
(b) A strong male planet owning the 5th house placed in an odd navamsa; (c) A strong
Jupiter placed in an odd sign and navamsa; (d) The 5th house getting aspects and
associations of the 5th lord, friendly planets or of beneflcs and (e ) the posi tion of the lords of
the ascendant and the 5th house.
3) Female issues are shown by an even 5th house; a weak female 5th lord placed in an even
sign and even navamsa and Jupiter in eve n signs. The 5th house in a female sign where the
vergas of Venus and Moo n exceed those ofother planets, or when the 5th house fa lls in a
sign ofVenus or Moon with or getting thei r aspect. There should not be any Saturnian or
Martian connect ions in th is case.
4) (i) 5th lord in female rasi, Female navamsa, female star....many daughters.
(ii) 5th lord in male rasi, Male navamsa, male star.......many sons.
5) If lord of 5th is mascul ine, joins mascul ine sign, combines in a masculine navamsa...first
born child will be ma le.
Procreative Power:
The man strength/or impregnation depends on the Sun and the strength ofthe semen on
venus. The sound condition of the ovary infemales is indicated by the Moon while the fitness
of the ovum is shown by Mars . The conception rakes place when the seed is healthy and the
so il is fertile.
I) The positions ofthe Sun and Venus in odd signs in male horoscopes with odd navamsas
and the Moon and Mars in even sig ns with even navamsas in female charts indica te their
ability to procreate.
2) When lord of 7th occupies the constellation of Saturn or Mercury, and Sat-Mercury are in
the ir own constellations or Sat in constellation of Mere. and Mere. in that of Saturn, or
Saturn, Mercury occ upy weak places, their is no procreative power.
3) If the planet, in whose constellation 7th lord tenants, is weak, the procreative power
becomes weak.
4) The lagna in the woman's chart fal1ing in a triko na as reckoned from the 7th house of the
man's chart or in a trikona counted from the position of thc 7th lord of male chart is congenial
for gett ing children.
5) There will be deficiency in male in getting children if in his chart (i) Venus is within 10 of
Sun; (ii) 7th lord is posited with Venus in 6th; (iii) Venus, severely afflicted in 5th; {iv) 8th
house; 8th lord and sign Scorpio all affl icted; (v) 8th lord, Sun, Moon, afflicted by RK axis,
Saturn, Mercury or if they are in the stars of these planets. (vi) If there is close conj unction of
Saturn Neptune; Saturn Kethu ; Saturn. Mercury ; Sun Venus, or Sun Neptune and also
these planets are in the constellat ions of Saturn, Mercury or Rahu or are posited in signs
Virgo or Capric orn.
6) There will be deficiency in female in getting childre n if in her chart (i) Kethu is in 5th or is
with 5th lord; (ii) Mercurian lagna and Moon in trimsamsa of Saturn ; (ii i) Saturnine lagna and
Moon in trimsamsa of Mercury; (iv) 7th lord and Mars in 6th or lagnesh or chondresh in 6th
with Mars or aspected by Mercury;
7) Vir ility in man is termed bee]a sphuta while fecundity in woman is ksbctra sphuta.
Lagnesh , bencfic s and lords of favourable houses in 7th or in trikona from sphutas are
considered highly beneficial for progeny.
The two sp hutas are determined as follows:
1) Beeja sphuta: In the case ofa male, add the longitudes ofthe Sun, Venus and Jupiter. If the
sum reveal s an odd sign and an odd navamsa , and gets conj oined with or aspectcd by
beneflcs, virility is assured. If it is in odd sign in natal chart and in even sign in navamsa chart
or vice versa, then virile power is limited and the male is in need of medica l treatment or
upayes and gets an issue after delay and difficulty. lfit fal ls in even signs in both, then the
native has no virile power or the seed is defective.
Another method is to multiply the Sun's longitude by 4 and longitudes of Venus and
Jupiter by 3 and to add up the three results. The tota l shows the beeja sphuta .
2) Kshetra sp h uta : In case ofa female, add the longitudes of Jupiter, the Moon and Mars. If
the total reveals even rasts and even navamsa, then the soil is fert ile; if it is in odd sign in
natal chart and in even sign in navamsa chart or vice versa, children are assured afte r much
delay and difficulty or after medical treatment and upayas. If it falls in odd signs in both the
chart then the soil is not fert ile and the female is unable to produce ch ildren.
These sphuta rasis should be free from the influence of malefics or hermophridite or barren
planets. Rahu should not be in bee} sphuta or in 5th rasi from it.
The effects of Mars aspect on 5th is to destroy the progeny and that of Satum tsthat the
native willnot derive happiness f rom children.
Combinations of getting children:
1) Lord of 5th in 5th or aspects 5th 2) Lords of 5th and 7th and lagnesh in lagna.
3) 5th house in a benefic sign and getting association/aspect of benefics.
4) Lord of 51h co nj unct with a benefi c in kendraltrikona.
5) 5th house, its lord or Jupiter possessing full strength and getting benefic sambandha.
6) Lords of 5th from lagna, Moon and Jupite r in good houses.
7) Lord of Sih conjunct s Iagnesh and getti ng aspect of f riendly planet s.
8) Mutua l exc hange oilugnesh and lord of 5th.
9) Lagnesh in 5th with 5th lord and Jupiter strong.
10) Stro ng Jupite r in 5th aspcctcd by lagnesh or lord s of 2nd and 5th in 5th.
l ! ) Sagittarius and Pisces as 5th house gett ing aspect of Jupiter.
12) Aries, Taurus or Cancer as 5th house where in is posited a node.
13) Saturn or Sun or Mar s ill the 9t h. 14) 5th lord exa lted and Jupiter in lagna.
15) Venus, Mars and Moon in dua l signs except Sagi ttar ius.
16) Mars in Aries , Leo, Scorpio and Pisces and gett ing aspec t of J upiter.
17) 5th house as pected by stro ng Venus, Merc ury or Jupiter.
IR) Venus in own ho use having sambandha with 5th house,5th lord or Jupiter.
19) 5th lord, Jupiter, Mars and Sun in male l1avamsas.
20) 11 th lord in an kendrattrikona aspected by bcnefics.
2 J) 5th house in a fixed sign getting sambandha of benefics.
22) Rahu, Su n and Merc ury in 5th conj unct or aspected by Jupi ter.
23) Lagnesh or 5th lord in 1,2 or 3rd. 24) 5th lord in 9t h or 10th.
25) 5th lord in Ca nce r or assoc iated with Moon or Venus.
26) Jupiter or Mars in 5th in Capricorn. 27) Sun in Leo in 5th.
28) Saturn in 5th in Aquarius . 29) Sun, Mars and Jup in 5th.
30) Moon in 61 h and Sun in 12th. 3 1) 91h lord in 5th and Sat in 9t h.
32) 5th lord in 5th and Saturn is eithe r in 5th or 9th.
33) Rah u in 5th wit h aspect of be nefie planet s whi le Rahu' s navamsa falls in a Sat urnine
sign.
34) Venus in 5th having sambandha with 5th and 9th lords.
35) Sun in 5th in Virgo aspected by friendly planets.
36) The follow ing planetary positions in female charts indi cat e many c hildren:-
(a) Mars, Saturn and Rahu in kendrasl trkonas. (b) Moon in 7th.
(c) Mercur y, Jup and Venus a ll combined in any house .
(d) Lagnesh ill the 7th , 7th lord in the 11th and l Ith lord in the 5th.
37) The first horn will be a daughter if: (i) 5th lord is in the 7th; (i i) 5th lord conju ncts 7th lord;
( iii) 5th lord is in signs 2, 4, 6 or 7; (iv) 5th lord is conjunct wit h or aspccted by venus or
Moon or Rah u.
The comb inat ions from 15 to 30 gives first baby a male baby.
Combinations for many daughters :
J) Mercury in 5th and 5th lord in 6th . 2) Moon or Jupite r in Ca ncer in 5th.
3) 5th lord in conste llat ion of Aridra, Marigasira. Punar vasu or lias/a.
4) Moon or Venus in 5th aspcctcd by female planets.
5) Female planets ill 5th in female signs or navamsas and female planets ~3pecting 5th
house
and 5th lord.
6) 5th lord in 2nd or 8th.
7) 5th or 9th lo rd is in 7th in a female sign or having samhandha with Moon or Venus ( if in
male sign and aspected by male planets- ma le issue).
8) 7th lord in 11th. 9) Lagnesh in -lth. first lssuc is female .
10) A malefi c in 11th and Moon or Venus in 5th.
11) Sat urn or Moon , Mercury and Venus in 5th in Capricorn.
12) Moon, Mercury. Venus and Saturn in 5th jointly or severa lly.
13. Moon in 5th in Leo or in 4th or 5th co inciding with Virgo.
14) Moon , Venus an d 5t h lord in even signs and even navamsas.
15) Fo r Scorpio lagna, Jupiter in 3rd or 11th.
Combinations of childlessness:
I) Lord of 5t h in a Mercur ian sign conjo int with or aspected by Mercury.
2) Lo rd of 51h in debility and a fflicted. 3) Lord of 5th betwixt eunuch planets .
4) Lo rd of 5th in an inim ica l sign and aspected by Satu rn.
5) Association of the 5th lord with a malefic is a great affl iction for gett ing issues but if
aspectcd by lagna o r a benefic, this affl iction goes.
6) Lo rd of 51h in the co nst el lation of aridra or hasta.
7) Lord of 5th in Sth ( if it is not ow n or exa ltat ion sign).
8) 5th lord in an inimical s ign getti ng sambandha with inimica l planet only.
9) 5th lord in a dusthana a nd assoc iated with male fics, Saturn a nd Kcrhu.
10) Waning Moo n in 5th and affl icted .
11 ) Lord of 5th an eunuch o r aspccted by Saturn or anothe r e unuch, th ere will be abortion
and
st ill-births. However, as pect of Jup iter or lagnesh removes dosha.
12) Rahu or Saturn ill 5'h gives aff liction for the birth of issues in their dasas.
13) Sat urn associated with malefics in the 7th.
14) 5th lo rd in Virgo or Gemini or Mercury in the 5t h.
15) 5th lo rd being a malefic or as soc iated with rnale fics.
16) 51h lo rd with Rahu in 10th. 17) 5th lord subj ected to papakartari yoga.
18) For Aq uarius lagna, Mercury in 8th with ma lefics .
19) Rahu in 51h aspected by Mars and Saturn . 20 ) Saturn and Ven us in 7th.
2 1) Maleflcs confined to 4th and 5th only.
22) Jupite r in Pisces gives very few issues, in Sagittarius, it gives issues aft er much hard
ship
and in Ca ncer or Aquarius, it can de ny progeny.
23) Rah u in Iagna, Jup iter in 5th and Saturn in 5th.
24) Lords of I, 5, 9t h and lord of 5th from Jupiter in a trik:
25) Ma lefi cs in 5th and/or 11 th or in 3rd. 26 ) Malefics in 5th from Moon & Jupiter.
27) Malcfl cs, Moo n, Jup iter in 4th,8th. 28) Sun Sat urn in 7th and Moon in 10th .
29) Ma lefics in 4t h orland 9th , Venus in 7th and Moon in 10th.
30) Moon J upiter in tagna and Satu rn in 7th. 31) Sun in lagna, Saturn in 7th.
32) 6th lord Sun Sat urn a ll in 6th and moon in 7th.
33) Mars or Sun in 5th or 11th & lagnesh weak. 34) Saturn in 5th and Venus in 7th.
35) If sarposapa yoga occurs. Such yoga.~ are :
a. Rahu in lagna, SiC. lord in a trik and Mars afflicts Jupit er.
b. Rahu in Aries or Scorpio in 5th house associated with Mercury.
c. Rahu in 5th aspected by Mars.
d. 5th lord co njoi ns Rahu & Sat urn in 5110 and Moen in ll '" or 5th house.
Lords o f varf ou s houses in th 5th : Lord of 5th in vario us hou ses:
The lord s o f the Asce nd ant, the 2nd , 4th, The lord of the 5th house in lagna indicates a
5th, 7t h 9t h an d 11t h in the 5t h house , limited number of children, 2nd- a number of
j oi ntly or seve ra lly , ind icate ga in of good issues, J rd-issucs with great attachment to
children to the nati ve . The lord of the 3rd relatives, 4th-few issues, 5th-ideal sons, t ithin
th e 5th sho ws the nat ive unde r th e care issues inimical to parents, 7th-issues of good
of his ch ildre n. The lord of th e 6th poin ts charac ter, 8th-many children, 9th-kingly sons,
to qu arrel some chi ldre n; lord of the Sth. to 10th-excellent issues, 11th-many children and
lo ss of iss ues ; lo rd of the 10t h, gives few 12th house-i f benefic , very few issue s with
c hi ldren an d the lord of t he 12th in the 5th inimical attitude and, if a male fic , mostly loss
ho u se s how s a b se nce of i s s u e s or or absence of issues.
spendthrift sons .
Number of children:
J ) Add longitudes of Jupiter, Moon and Sun. Find out the rasis the sum represents. r ind its
navam.w . The number of navamsa represents the number of ch ildren, e.g. suppose the sum
represents 14 .37' in a rasis (devoid of rasis ). It represents 4 complete nQ\'amsas. Number
of children is 1.
2) Add longitudes of lords of 4, 5 and 9 and find resu ltant rasis and navomsa as above. The
number of completed navamsas ind icate the number of chi ldren.
3) The num ber of children will be equal to navamsas passed by 5th lord in a rasi .
4) ' The num ber of ma le planets aspecting the 5th house shows the number of rna Ie issues,
while the number of aspects of female planets dec ides the females.
5) The number of ch ildren is indicated by the numbcr of planets posited in the 5th house or
those assoc iated with the lord of the 5th. These planet s should not have de bilitation or
comb ustion or positions in -iuirnical signs or navamsas.
6) In ashtaka varga of Ju pite r, the number of poin ts falling in the 5th reckoned from Jupiter
indicat es the number of children . The points of planets in combustion , debilitat ion and in
inimical posit ions are not to be taken into account. The points contributed by planet s in exa
ltation and retrogress ion may be multi plied by three and the points of planets in the ir own
sign, navamsu and drekkana and vargottoma be doubled. These numbers indicate children.
The points of male planets show the male issues while those of fema le planets indicate
number of girls.
7) Taurus, Leo, Virgo and Scorpio falling as the ascendant, the Moon-sign or the 5th house
show that the native may get only a very few issues.
8) Cancer as the 5th house with Mercu ry indicates a limited number of children.
Comblnaelons of having adopted children :
I) 5th house owned by Saturn or Mercury and aspected by Saturn or gulika.
2) 5th lord very weak and there is no relationship between lagnesh and 7th lord.
3) Saturn in 5th in own house and aspected by Moon.
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In a ny
Weak Moon in the 5th co nj unct or aspecte d by Mercury.
Lagnesh conj uncts 5th lord in a malefic place and aspccted by a benefic.
A strong planet in the 5th and 5th lord combust.
5th lord in the 4th in an even sign and in nammsao fSaturn.
5th lord in the 6th, 6th lord in the 12th or 12th lord in lagna.
5th house fa lls in a Mercurian or Saturnine sign and is under aspect of Saturn & Mandi.
Moon in S" in s ign or navam.w of Saturn and assoc iated with a planet other
than Saturn.
Period of getting children :
1) Nearness o f the lord of the 5th house to the lagnesh or the 5th house shows ga in of
issues
early after marriage. More the distance between these points. more is the late stage of birth
of
children.
2) Position oftile lord of the 51h house in the l st, 4th, 7th orthe 10th indicates birth of chi ldren
during the early middle age; in the 2nd, 5th, 8th or the ll th house during the middle age and
in the
3rd, 6th, 9th or the 12th - house during the close of middle age.
3) Chi ldren may be expected during the dam and antradasa of: (a) the lord of the ascendant;
(b) Lord of 5th house; (c) Lord of 7th house; (d) Lords of the signs occupied by Jupiter; (c) the
5th
lord; (f) J upiter; (g) the navamsa lords of(e) and (f) ; and, (h) the planets aspect ing the 5th
house.
The dasa or antradasa of the strongest planet pin-point the period.
4) Child-birth takes place whcn gochara Jupit er enters: (a ) the sign occu pied by the 5tb
lord;
(b) the navamsa; or (c) trikona sign of the 5th lord; (d) the sign occ upied by the lord of the
5th
house from the Moon ; (e) his navamsa sign; (1) the trikona signs from the lords of the 51h
house
from the Moon; (g) sign where Jupiter is posited; (h) Navamsa s ign ofJ upiter ; (i) trikona sign
reckoned from Jupite r. Of the se posit ions, the s ign which gets the highest number of points
in the
ashtakavarga of Ju piter gives definite results.
5) When in gochara, lagnesh. the 5th and the 7th lords conjoin in a sign, birt h of a child takes
place .
When in gochara J upiter or lagnesh , or lord of the 5th house or the Moon-signenters 5th
house or sign occ upied by lord of the 5th or the 9th, a child is born .
Karmas or sins:
1) If a chi ld die s with in 4 years of birth, it is attrib uted to sins of mothe r.
2) If a child die s between 5-8 years of birth, it is att ributed to sig ns of father.
3) If a chi ld die s between 9- 12 years of birt h, it is attributed to his own sins.
Father-son relationship
A. Son becomes wo rt hy of affectio n of his fa ther; if:
a) Son's logna fall s in a sign 2nd, 91h or 11th from father's rust;
b) Father 's lagn a fa lls in a s ign 11th from son's rasi;
c) Father 's lagna is in a sign whic h, in son's cha rt, happens to be Sth, 9th,
11th from the sign co nta ining lord of moon sign in son's chart;
d) Lagnesh in 9th or conjoins Sun or 9th lord; or
e) 9th lord from lagna or rasi in I Ith from lagnaor rasi.
B. Son will ca use so rrow to his father by his undesirable activities if so n is born
of the three nakshataras be longing to the 12th lord of father 's rasi.
6)
4)
5)
6)
7)
8)
9)
10)
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C. So n will be fat her's enemy if:
a) Son's lagna s ign co inc ides with the 6th house fromthe rasi of fath er's chart; or
b) Son's nakshatoro is any of the three nokshataras be longing to lord of 6th from
father 's rasi .
D. Son will red eem the debts of his fath er, if:
a) The lord of fat her's rasi is posited in the 12th house of son's horoscope; or
b) Lord of fath e r's rasi conjoins lord of 12th of son' s cha rt.
Indica tions from sap tamasa cha r t offathc r:
Look to the pos itions of lagnesh and 5th lord in the basic chart, as well as in saptamasa
chart. If:-
6/8 no happiness from son.
2/ 12 little happiness from son.
717 great attachment with SOil.
5/9 lucky for eac h other.
square they function as com plement of each other.
If Sun is strong-native inher its qualit ics and characteristics of father.
If Moon is strong- native inhe rits qua lities and character istics of mother.
Guna of native is mould ed by the pla net in whose trimasamsa Sun is posited.
Some observations:
1) 8th lord in 4th- no cordiality between nat ive and son.
2) Jupiter in 7th- native excels his father in his qualities .
3) Sun in trlkona and 9th lord in 7th aspected by Jupit er, son is obedient to father.
4) Lagnesh in 9th with 6th lord- native inimical to father.
5) Lagna lord and 5th lord in father' s chart: ( 1atkalika friendship to be considered
if friends ......... father son have cordial relations.
if enemies....... father son have strained relations.
if neut raL ...... fathe r son have indifferent relat ions.
6) Lagna lord and 9th lord in son's chart: (as above )
iffriends ........ son father have co rdial relat ions.
if enem ies...... son father have strained relations.
if neu tral.... .... son fathe r have indifferent relations.
7) If lagna lord is stronger than 5th lord in father's ehart or if 9th lord is stronger than
lagnesh in son's chart, father wil l dominate son ; or son will follow fath er.
If lagna lord is wea ker tha n 5th lord in father 's chart or if 9t h lord is weaker
than lagnesh in son's chart, son will dom inate father or exce l him.
8) If a trik lord of son's chart is in lagna of fathe r's chart. fat her is superio r, or
if the pos ition is vice versa, the result is oppos ite .
9) If 4th lord of father's chart is in 1st, 9 or I Ith houses of son' s chart, son ga ins in the dasa
of 4th lord and becomes obedient to fathe r;
10) If Sun or Moon in an angle and occupy a moveable sig n, the nati ve will not perform last
rites of his father.
11) Son wi ll make his father proud of his good deeds if the 9th lord in son's ch art is ex alted,
swagriha or mooltrik ona;
12) Na tive is proud of his fath er if the 9th lord is in 10 and 10th lord is in 2nd;
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13) Father is an influent ial man if Sun in nat ive 's chart is exalted or friendly to 1st or 10th
lord
or Ist and l Oth lords are in ll th ;
14) Saturn in 5th or 9t h shows differences between father and son;
IS) If lagna in so n's chart corr esponds to 2nd or 9th in father's chart, son adores father;
16) 9th house and its lord a benefic, a benefic in 9th, Jupiter 's sambandha with 9th or its lord,
son gets happiness from father;
17) 7th house occupied o r aspected by bencflcs, and 7th lord in a benefic sign in exaltation,
mooltrikona/swakshetra, nat ive shines better than father;
18) 6th lord or 8th lord of father 's chart occ upies lagna or becomes lagnesh in so n's chart,
son
is super ior to fat her and con tinues to perform his duties;
19) Rahu in 9th. nativ e is disliked by father, disl iking is less if lagna is strong.
2 1) Exchan ge of lord s of 6 and 9, native is inimical to father due to loss in prop erty;
22) Ascen dant in one chart co rres ponding to 6th or 8th of tile other's chart br ings bittern
ess
amongst them .
23) Sun in a trikona and 9th lord in 7th aspected by Jupiter, son is devoted to father;
24) Exchange o r mutual as pect or combination of Ist and 5th lords, son is o bed ient to
father.
25) 5th lord, in fath er 's horoscope, with lord of 6th or 8th gives discord with son.
26) When lagna. lagnesh, Ju piter and Moon in saptamsa are afflicted or weak, the native
remains issueless or wo rr ied on account of his children.
Ek anakshatra desha : One born in the same star as: that of eith er of the parents or c ider
coborn s.
causes dea th of the person hav ing same nakshatara.
The fol10w'ing tab le shows res ults as culled out from cla ssic al texts'-
Planet ary positions
Jupiter or 5th lord in 6th , 8th, 12th
J upiter or 5th lord in debilitation
5th lord conjun cts 9th
5th lord conj uncts 71h
5th lord conjuncts Salurn and Sun
51h lord conju ncts Sun and Jupiter
5th lord with Jupiter &
weak Moon a feminin e planet
5th lord conjuncts Mars or Kethu
5th lord conjuncts maleflcs
5th lord conj uncts Venu s
Saturn in 5th
Sun in Sth
Mars in 5th
besides loss of some children
Jup iter in 5th
Venus in 51h
Rahu in 5th
Kethu in 51h
Results
Unhappiness from Children
Still worse than above
Very auspi cious
Wields authority
Success
Mor e so ns
Fema le issues
Generally loss of ch ildren
Malefi c
Contentment
Obstruction s to birth of chi ldre n One son
Two irresponsi ble or misbe having sons,
Four we ll-ma nne red children
Four we ll-ma nnered ch ildren
Birth of c hildre n outside wedlock Female chi ldren

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