Engineer Ali: Mirza: And The Knowledge Of Existence Of Divine Essence:=A

JHELUM

2017
HUSAM
CRITIQUE OF DIVISION OF KNOWLEDGE IN THE SYSTEM OF ENGINEER ALI MIRZA OF

Engineer Ali: Mirza: Of Jhelum Cannot Even Possesses The Knowledge

Of Existence Of Divine Essence If His Own System Of Knowledge is
Correct.This Is Discussed In Detail.

AHLUSSUNNAH VS ALI: MIRZA OF JHELUM

REFUTING ALI MIRZA
AHLUSSUNNAH VS ALI MIRZA
A CRITIQUE OF ALI MIRZA
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Engineer Ali: Mirza: And The

Knowledge Of Existence Of Divine
Essence:=

Engineer Ali: Mirza: And The Knowledge Of Existence Of Divine Essence:=

Engineer Ali: Mirza: is an Engineer and as an Engineer is supposed to be he cannot understand the
problems and inconsistencies of his own believes and system.

He believes in only two types of knowledge.

1]The Knowledge that is Revealed . 2] Knowledge which is obtained from Experiments and Obsevations.

In this conundrum it is attempted to shew that Engineer Ali: Mirza: cannot include the Knowledge of
the Existence of Dive Essence in any one of the two types of Knowledge which he accepts.

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So he is left with only two options. Either to deny the Knowledge of Existence Of Divine Essence
[Astagh:farullah Va Nau:dh:billah] or the accept that there is atleast one another types of Knowledge.

If he chooses the first then he becomes an Atheist . If he chooses the second then he admits that his
belief of division of Knowledge in only two types is incorrect and wrong.

Let it be seen how this Engineer attempts to respond , and we are ready to analyze any response if he
shews any.

All the Muslims Know that the Divine Essence Existeth.

Now if it is Known that Divine Essence Existeth then the Knower Must have the Knowledge that the
Divine Essence Existeth.

Since Knowledge implieth the Knower and the Knower Implieth the Knowledge. A Knower with out
Knowledge is Impossible, rather Per Se Absurd.

If Engineer is a Muslim then He Must Know that Divine Essence Existeth and the Engineer Must have the
Knowledge of the Existence of Divine Essence.

Now the Knowledge of Existence of Divine Essence is Knowledge then in the System of the Engineer of
Jhelum this Knowledge must belong to one of the two types of Knowledge.

But it cannot belong to the latter type for the following reasons.

A]There is no observation of Divine Essence in this world.

B] There is no experiment in this world which can give the Knowledge of Divine Essence.

So it is impossible to obtain the Knowledge of Divine Essence by this type of Knowledge,

This implies that there is ONLY One Option left for him that he is compelled to include the Knowledge of
the Divine Essence in the former i.e the Knowledge obtained through Revelation.

But Knowledge of Divine Essence cannot be obtained through Source of Revelation.

The reasons are as follow:=

1] If the Knowledge of the Existence of Divine Essence is obtained from the Revelation then there are
two Logical Possibilities. A] The Revelation is From An Essence that is Not Divine. B] The Revelation ids
from an Essence that is Divine. If the Knowledge of Existence of Divine Essence is from an Essence that is
Not Divine then the Revelation cannot be certain and is uncertain. If the Truth of the Revelation is not
certain and lacks certainty then any thing obtained from an uncertain source of information is also not
certain. If not certain then it ceaseth not be knowledge or the Knowledge of Divine Essence obtained
through an uncertain source is an uncertain Knowledge. This implies doubt in the Divine Existence.

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Note: If each and every Knowledge is certain then any thing that is not certain ceaseth to be knowledge.
If some Knowledge are not certain even then the Knowledge of Existence of Divine Essence must be
certain other wise faith and belief in Divine Essence becomes Impossible.

Now the last thing is left that the Revelation is from Divine Essence Himself..

If the Knowledge of Divine Essence is Obtained from the Revelation of Divine Essence then the Divine
Essence is Presupposed before the Knowledge of the Divine Essence is Obtained. This is no knowledge.
To Obtain the Knowledge of any Existence from any source be it Revelation or else by Presupposing the
Existence before the source of obtaining the Knowledge is not Knowledge.

It is just like an old Biblical Argument:

Divine Essence must exist because Bible says so and What so ever Bible says so is true because it is
Divine Revelation.

This argument takes the following form in the system of the Engineer Ali: Mirza of Jhelum.

Knowledge Of Existence Of Divine Essence is obtained from Divine Revelation , and any Knowledge
obtained from Divine Revelation is True since the Divine Revelation is From Divine Essence.

An other form is as follow:

Knowledge Of Existence Of Divine Essence is obtained from Revelation , and any Knowledge obtained
from Revelation is True since the Revelation is From Divine Essence.

This is arguing in circle or begging the question or both.

It may be the case that the Engineer Ali: Mirza: attempts to response as follow:=

Knowledge Of Existence Of Divine Essence is obtained from Revelation , and any Knowledge obtained
from Revelation is True since the Revelation is a source of Knowledge.

But this is nothing new but the old fallacy.

Since Revelation is the source of Knowledge IF AND ONLY IF the Revelation is from Divine Essence

Himself. If not from Divine Essence then it ceaseth to be the source of Knowledge.

Now one again the circle is complete and the argument becomes arguing in circle.

In some Essential forms there may be the longs or short circumferences of circles.

Claim X assumes X is true.

Therefore, claim X is true.

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But is form is a very short Circle. Some time the circle is great or even the
argument is elliptical.

Claim A assumes that B Exists and B is always the Speaker Of Truth.

Claim A also assumes that A is Spoken by B.

There fore A is True and B exists.

Lastly Engineer may say that Revelation is source of Knowledge regardless of the revealer whether the
Revealer is Divine Essence or Non Divine Essence. But this is obscure ad obscurum. Since Any revelation
from Any Non Divine Essence cannot be a source of Knowledge.

This shews that the man from Jhelum has no option but only to accept atleast one more type of
Knowledge beside those which he usually claims to be the only types of Knowledge. The robotic mind of
the Engineer may not understand the inconsistency in his system. When he is unable to make a proper
answer he begins to ask counter questions [which he terms as Phakki, digestive power] as if asking
questions is the proper reply. But if he does so then this is an evidence that there are inconsistencies in
his system and instead of removing the inconsistency he is just attempting to shew inconsistency in the
system of one who has shewn in consistency in Engineers System. What kind of answer is that????His
most probable attempt answer is speculated is that instead of giving a proper reply he begins to ask the
question instead. A question in the answer of the question is not a proper answer. So this is certainly a
fallacy. It is speculated that he would borrow from atheists and he is likely to argue that if The Existence
of Divine Knowledge is neither obtained from Divine Revelation nor From Experiments and Observations
then there is no way to get the Knowledge about the Existence of Divine Essence. This must be a
problem for the Engineer but not for Muslims since they do not believe in only two types of Knowledges.
There are more then two types of Knowledge. As this article is just to point at the inconsistency of
Engineer Ali: Mirza: Engineer has no choice but to accept that there are more then two types of
Knowledge.

As this article is not to discuss the Nature of the

Knowledge of Existence Of Divine Essence but to
shew that the system of the Engineer is
Inconsistent,So this is sufficient. However Insha:All-h the
Nature of the Knowledge Of Divine Essence shall be discussed
separately.

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To the Followers
of Engineer Ali:
Mirza:
It has been shown that the believes and concepts of the
Engineer Ali: Mirza: are inconsistent and self
contradictory. This means that he has an inconsistent and
self contradicting thoughts in his mind. Can such a
person be trusted in religion and religious studies.
PLEASE REMEMBER
He Can Not Know [Can Not Possess ] The Knowledge Of
Divine Essence [Dh:a:tul Ba:ri:] If His System Is Correct
Or Supposed To Be Correct.
NOTE : WE SHAL PRESENT SOME DETAIL DISCUSSION
ABOUT THE CLAIM OF CONFINEMENT OF KNOWLEDGE
IN ONLY TWO TYPES.ADDITIONALLY SOME
CONUNDRUMS SHALL ALSO BE PRESENTED
INSHA:ALL-H

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AHLUSSUNNAH VS ALI:
MIRZA OF JHELUM

HUSAM

[ENGINEER ALI: MIRZA: AND

THE KNOWLEDGE OF
EXISTENCE OF DIVINE
ESSENCE:=]
Engineer Ali: Mirza: Of Jhelum Cannot Even Possesses The Knowledge Of Existence Of Divine Essence If
His Own System Of Knowledge is Correct.This Is Discussed In Detail.

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K,k,C,c=
L,l=
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Vowels

Short

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A,a [as A/a in Sugar, E,e in Per, as U,u in But, as I/I in Sir] =
I,i [as I/i in Pin,Tin,] =
U,u [As U/u in Put, as oo in Book] =
Long Vowel

A: ,a:[As A/a in Car,Father] =

I:,i: [As I in Police, as ee in Week] =
U:,u: [As U in Rude, as oo in Cool] =
The symbols on case of
vowels in red colour are
optional
Some time the symbol - is used to omit a Marked Vowel for example Kita:b may be written as K-ta:b, sometime this is used to denote
an Accent, eg Akbaru may be written as Ak-baru, some time it is used to present both of the stated above in a single transliterated
Arabic Word as follow: Ak-b-ru or Ak-b-r- and so one.

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