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Thisgreatlittleprojectdemonstratesthe
Projects principlesofhighfrequencymagneticinduction.
DIYDevices Thecircuitisverysimpletobuildandonlyusesa
DIYPlasmaGlobe fewcommoncomponents.Withtheinduction
DIYMiniTeslaCoil coilshownherethecircuitdrawsabout5Afrom
a15Vsupplywhenascrewdrivertipisheated.It
DIYKirlianPhotos
takesapproximately30secondforthetipofthe
DIYSRSGTeslaCoil screwdrivertobecomeredhot!
DIYPlasmaGun
ThecontrolcircuitusesamethodknownasZVS
DIYPowerPulse (zerovoltageswitching)toactivatethe
Generator transistorswhichallowsforanefficienttransfer
DIYIgnitionCoil ofpower.Inthecircuityouseehere,the
Driver transistorsbarelygetwarmduetotheZVS
DIYVoltage method.Anothergreatthingaboutthisdeviceisthatitisaselfresonantsystemandwillautomatically
Multiplier runattheresonantfrequencyoftheattachedcoilandcapacitor.Ifyouwanttosavesometime,we
haveaninductionheatercircuitavailableinourshop.Youmightstillwanttoreadthisarticlethough
DIYPowerPulse forsomegoodtipsongettingyoursystemworkingwell.
Controller
DIYVanDeGraff HowDoesInduction
Generator HeatingWork?
DIYPWMSignal
Whenamagneticfieldchangesnear
Generator
ametalorotherconductiveobject,a
DIYSignal flowofcurrent(knownasaneddy
Generator current)willbeinducedinthe
DIYPuppet materialandwillgenerateheat.The
Animator heatgeneratedisproportionaltothe
currentsquaredmultipliedbythe
DIYRobot(MIRC)
resistanceofthematerial.The
DIYSensor effectsofinductionareusedin
Multipexer transformersforconvertingvoltages
DIYTeslaCoilTuner inallsortsofappliances.Most
transformershaveametalliccore
DIYHHOHydrogen
andwillthereforehaveeddy
Production
currentsinducedintothemwhenin
DIYJetEngine use.Transformerdesignersuse
DIY differenttechniquestopreventthisastheheatingisjustwastedenergy.Inthisprojectwewilldirectly
Electrohydrodynamic makeuseofthisheatingeffectandtrytomaximisetheheatingeffectproducedbytheeddycurrents.
Thruster
Ifweapplyacontinuouslychangingcurrenttoacoilofwire,wewillhaveacontinuouslychanging
DIY magneticfieldwithinit.Athigherfrequenciestheinductioneffectisquitestrongandwilltendto
Magnetohydrodynamicconcentrateonthesurfaceofthematerialbeingheatedduetotheskineffect.Typicalinduction
Thruster heatersusefrequenciesfrom10kHzto1MHz.
DIYOutboardMotor

DIYCymatics
Display
DANGER:Veryhightemperaturescanbegeneratedwiththisdevice!
DIYSuperCooler
DIYDehumidifier

DIYUnderwater
Camera TheCircuit
DIYVacuum
ThecircuitusedisatypeofcollectorresonanceRoyer
Chamber
oscillatorwhichhastheadvantagesofsimplicityand
DIYPlasmaGunII selfresonantoperation.Averysimilarcircuitisused
DIYInduction incommoninvertercircuitsusedforpowering
Heater fluorescentlightingsuchasLCDbacklights.Theydrive
acentertappedtransformerwhichstepsupthe
DIYRobotII
voltagetoaround800Vforpoweringthelights.In
DIYHighSpeed thisDIYinductionheatercircuitthetransformer
Flash consistsoftheworkcoilandtheobjecttobeheated.
DIYSSTC(Tesla
Coil) Themaindisadvantageofthiscircuitisthatacenter
tappedcoilisneededwhichcanbealittlemoretricky
SimpleScience towindthanacommonsolenoid.Thecentertapped
Experiments coilisneededsothatwecancreateanACfieldfroma
Programming singleDCsupplyandjusttwoNtypetransistors.The
Science centerofthecoilisconnectedtothepositivesupply
andtheneachendofthecoilisalternatelyconnected
Research togroundbythetransistorssothatthecurrentwill
CustomElectronics flowbackandforthinbothdirections.
Theamountofcurrentdrawnfromthesupplywillvarywiththetemperatureandsizeoftheobjectbeingheated.
Fromthisschematicoftheinductionheateryoucanseehowsimpleitreallyis.Justafewbasiccomponentsareallthatisneededfor
creatingaworkinginductionheaterdevice.
R1andR2arestandard240ohm,0.6Wresistors.ThevalueoftheseresistorswilldeterminehowquicklytheMOSFETscanturnon,
andshouldbeareasonablylowvalue.Theyshouldnotbetoosmallthough,astheresistorwillbepulledtogroundviathediode
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whentheoppositetransistorswitcheson.
ThediodesD1andD2areusedtodischargetheMOSFET
gates.Theyshouldbediodeswithalowforwardvoltagedrop
sothatthegatewillbewelldischargedandtheMOSFETfully
offwhentheotherison.Schottkydiodessuchasthe1N5819
arerecommendedastheyhavelowvoltagedropandhigh
speed.Thevoltageratingofthediodesmustbesufficientto
withstandthethevoltageriseintheresonantcircuit.Inthis
projectthevoltagerosetoasmuchas70V.
ThetransistorsT1andT2are100V35AMOSFETs
(STP30NF10).Theyweremountedonheatsinksforthis
project,buttheybarelygotwarmwhenrunningatthepower
Checkourfacebookpagefor
levelsshownhere.TheseMOSFETswerechosenduetohaving
updatesandspecialoffers
alowdrainsorceresistanceandfastresponsetimes.
413 TheinductorL2isusedasa
chokeforkeepingthehigh
frequencyoscillationsoutof
Like
thepowersupply,andto
limitcurrenttoacceptable
Share
levels.Thevalueof
inductanceshouldbequitelarge(ourswasabout2mH),butalsomustbemadewiththickenough
wireforcarryingallthesupplycurrent.Ifthereisnochokeused,orithastoolittleinductance,the
circuitmightfailtooscillate.TheexactinductancevalueneededwillvarywiththePSUusedand
yourcoilsetup.Youmayneedtoexperimentbeforeyougetagoodresult.Theoneshownhere
wasmadebywindingabout8turnsof2mmthickmagnetwireonatoroidalferritecore.Asan
alternativeyoucansimplywindwireontoalargeboltbutyouwillneedmanymoreturnsofwire
togetthesameinductanceasfromatoroidalferritecore.Youcanseeanexampleofthisinthe
photoontheleft.Inthebottomleftcorneryoucanseeaboltwrappedwithmanyturnsof
equipmentwire.Thissetuponthebreadboardwasusedatlowpowerfortesting.Formorepower
itwasnecessarytousethickerwiringandtosoldereverythingtogether.
Asthereweresofewcomponentsinvolved,wesolderedalltheconnectionsdirectlyanddidnotuseaPCB.Thiswasalsousefulfor
makingtheconnectionsforthehighcurrentpartsasthickwirecouldbedirectlysolderedtothetransistorterminals.Inhindsightit
mighthavebeenbettertoconnecttheinductioncoilbyscrewingitdirectlytotheheatsinksontheMOSFETs.Thisisbecausethe
metalbodyofthetransistorsisalsothecollectorterminal,andtheheatsinkscouldhelpkeepthecoilcooler.
ThecapacitorC1andinductorL1formtheresonanttankcircuitoftheinductionheater.Thesemustbeabletowithstandlarge
currentsandtemperatures.Weusedsome330nFpolypropylenecapacitors.Moredetailonthesecomponentsisshownbelow.
TheInductionCoilandCapacitor
Thecoilmustbemadeofthickwireorpipeastherewillbelargecurrents
flowinginit.Copperpipeworkswellasthehighfrequencycurrentswill
mostlyflowontheouterpartsanyway.Youcanalsopumpcoldwater
throughthepipetokeepitcool.
Acapacitormustbeconnectedparalleltotheworkcoiltocreatearesonant
tankcircuit.Thecombinationofinductanceandcapacitancewillhavea
specificresonantfrequencyatwhichthecontrolcircuitwillautomatically
operate.Thecoilcapacitorcombinationusedhereresonatedataround
200kHz.
Itisimportanttousegoodqualitycapacitorsthatcanwithstandlarge
currentsandtheheatdissipatedwithinthemotherwisetheywouldsoonfail
anddestroyyourdrivecircuit.Theymustalsobeplacedreasonablycloseto
theworkcoilandusingthickwireorpipe.Mostofthecurrentwillbeflowing
betweenthecoilandcapacitorsothiswiremustbethickest.Thewires
linkingtothecircuitandpowersupplycanbeslightlythinnerifdesired.
Thiscoilherewasmadefrom2mmdiameterbrasspipe.Itwassimpletowindandeasytosolderto,butitwouldsoonstarttodeform
duetoexcessheating.Theturnswouldthentouch,shortingoutandmakingitlesseffective.Sincethecontrolcircuitstayed
relativelycoolduringuse,itseemedthatthiscouldbemadetoworkathigherpowerlevelsbutitwouldbenecessarytousethickerpipeortowatercoolit.Next
thesetupwasimprovedtotolerateahigherpowerlevel...
Widerangeofpartsavailableforinductionheaters
PrebuiltInductionHeater 4mmCopper
Circuit Pipe
SeetheDIYInductionHeaterinAction!
PrebuiltInductionHeater 30ACable
CoilAssembly
CeramicStandoff Current
Meter
12V15APowerSupply VoltMeter
12VWaterPump Choke
LowCostInternationalShippingAvailable!
CoolingRadiator 35A,100V
Transistors
PVCPipeorSiliconePipe TO220
Heatsinks
240ohmResistors FastDiodes
PolypropeleneCapacitors 12VVoltage
Regulator
PushingitFurther
Themainlimitationofthesetupabovewasthattheworkcoilwouldgetveryhotafterashorttimeduetothelarge
currents.Inordertohavelargercurrentsforalongertime,wemadeanothercoilusingthickerbrasstubingsothat
watercouldbepumpedthroughwhenitwasrunning.Thethickerpipewashardertobend,especiallyatthecenter
tappingpoint.Itwasnecessarytofillthepipewithfinesandbeforebendingitasthispreventsitfrompinchingat
thesharpbends.Itwasthenclearedoutusingcompressedair.
Theinductioncoilwasmadeintwohalvesasshownhere.They
werethensolderedtogetherandasmallpieceofpvcpipewas
usedtoconnectthecentralpipessothatwatercouldflow
throughthewholecoil.
Lessturnswereusedinthiscoilsothatitwouldhavealower
impedanceandthereforesustainhighercurrents.The
capacitancewasalsoincreasedsothattheresonantfrequencywouldbelower.Atotalofsix330nFcapacitors
wereusedtogiveatotalcapacitanceof1.98uF.
Thecablesconnectingtothecoilwerejustsoldered
ontothepipeneartheends,justleavingroomfor
fittingsomePVCpipe.
Itispossibletocoolthiscoilsimplybyfeedingwaterthroughdirectlyfromthetapbutitisbettertousea
pumpandradiatortoremovetheheat.Forthis,anoldfishtankpumpwasplacedinaboxofwaterandapipe
fittedtheoutletnozzle.ThispipefedtoamodifiedcomputerCPUcoolerwhichusedthreeheatpipestomove
theheat.
ThecoolerwasconvertedintoaradiatorbycuttingtheendsofftheheatpipesandthenlinkingthemwithPCVpipestothethewaterwouldflowthroughall3
heatpipesbeforeexitingandgoingbacktothepump.
Ifyoudocutsomeheatpipesyourself,makesuretodoitinawellventilatedarea,andnotindoorsas
theycontainvolatilesolventsthatcanbetoxictobreathe.Youshouldalsowearprotectiveglovesto
preventskincontact.
This
modifiedCPUcoolerwasveryeffectiveasaradiatorandallowed
thewatertoremainquitecool.
OthermodificationsneededweretoreplacethethediodesD1
andD2withonesratedforhighervoltages.Weusedthe
common1N4007diodes.Thiswasbecausewiththeincreased
currenttherewasalargervoltageriseintheresonantcircuit.
Youcanseeintheimageherethatthepeakvoltagewas90V
(yellowscopetrace)whichisalsoveryclosetothe100Vrating
ofthetransistors.
ThePSUusedwassetto30Vsoitwasalsoneccesarytofeed
thevoltagetothetransistorgatesviaa12Vvoltageregulator.
Whennometalwasinsidetheworkcoil,itwoulddrawabout7A
fromthesupply.Whentheboltinthephotowasadded,this
wentupto10Aandthengraduallydroppedagainasitheatedup
beyondcurietemperature.Itwouldcertainlygoover10Awith
largerobjects,butthePSUusedhasa10Alimit.Youcanfinda
suitablea24V,15APSUinouronlineshop.
Theboltyoucanseeglowingredhotinthephototookabout30secondstoreachmaximumtemperature.Thescrewdriverinthefirstimagecouldnowbeheated
redhotinabout5seconds.
Inordertogotohigherpowerthanthis,itwouldbenecessarytousedifferentcapacitorsoralargerarrayofthemsothatthecurrentwasmoredistributed
betweenthem.Thisisbecausethelargecurrentsflowingandhighfrequenciesusedwouldheatthecapacitorssignificantly.Afterabout5minutesofuseatthis
powerleveltheDIYinductionheaterneededtobeswitchedoffsothattheycouldcooldown.Itwouldalsobenecessarytouseadifferentpairoftransistorssothat
theycouldwithstandthelargervoltagerises.
Inallthisprojectwasquitesatisfyingasitproducedagoodresultfromjustasimpleandinexpensivecircuit.Asitis,itcouldbeusefulforhardeningsteel,orfor
solderingsmallparts.Ifyoudecidetomakeyourowninductionheaterproject,pleasepostyourphotosbelow.Pleasereadthroughtheothercommentsbefore
makingyourownasitcouldsaveyoutimelateron.
Ifyouwishtosimulatethisprojectfortestingdifferentinductancevaluesortransistorchoices,pleasedownloadLTSpiceandrunthisDIYInductionHeater
Simulation(Rightclick,Saveas)
Troubleshooting
Ifyouhavetroublegettingthisworking,hereareafewtipstohelptroubleshootyourhomemadeinductionheaterproject....
PSU(PowerSupply)
IfyourPSUisunabletodeliveralargesurgeofcurrentwhentheinductionheaterispoweredon,thenitwillfailtooscillate.Thevoltagefromthesupplywilldrop
duringthatmoment(althoughthePSUmaynotdisplaythis)andthiswillpreventthetransistorsfromswitchingcorrectly.Tohelpwiththisproblem,youcanplace
severallargeelectrolyticcapacitorsinparallelwiththesupply.Whenchargedtheywillbeabletodeliveralargesurgecurrenttoyourcircuit.Agoodpowerfulsupply
wouldbeour24V15ADCPSU.
Choke(inductorL2)
Thislimitsthepowertoyourinductionheater.Ifyoursisnotoscillating,thenyoumayneedmoreinductancetopreventvoltagedropinyourPSU.Youwillneedto
experimentwithhowmuchinductanceyouneed.Bettertohavetoomuch,thantoolittleasthiswillonlylimitthepoweroftheheater.Toolittlemaymeanit
wontworkatall.
Wiring
Keeptheconnectingwiresshorttoreducestrayinductanceandinterference.Longwiresaddunwantedresistanceandinductancetothecircuitandcanresultin
unwantedoscillationsorpoorperformance.Our30Apowercableiswellsuitedtothis.
Components
Thetransistorschosenmusthavealowvoltagedrop/onstateresistanceotherwisetheywilloverheat,orevenpreventthesystemfromoscillating.IGBTswill
proabbalynotwork,butmostMOSFETswithsimilarratingsshouldbeOK.ThecapacitorsmusthavealowESR(resistance)andESL(inductance)sotheycan
toleratethehighcurrentandtemperatures.Thediodesshouldalsohavealowforwardvoltagedropsothatthetransistorsswitchoffcorrectly.Theyshouldalsobe
fastenoughtoworkattheresonantfrequencyofyourinductionheater.
Poweringitup
Whenswitchingiton,donothavemetalwithintheheatingcoil.Thiscanleadtolargercurrentsurgeswhichcouldpreventtheoscillationfromstartingas
mentionedabove.Alsodonottrytoheatlargeamountsofmetal.Thisprojectisonlysuitableforsmallinductionheaters.Ifyouwanttocontrolorgraduallyturn
upthepower,youcanuseoneofourpowerpulsemodulatorcircuits.Seepost5108belowfordetails.
Brain
Youwillneedabrainthatfunctionsreasonablywelltomakethisprojectsafely.Ifyouareoneofthosepeoplewhoisknownbyyourfriendsas"abitthick",then
congratulationsonbeingabletouseacomputerandnavigatetothispage,butunfortunatelythisprojectisnotforyou.Itcanbeverydangeroustobuildan
inductionheater,soifyouarenewtoelectronics,youshouldgetsomeonetohelpyoumakeit.ApproachthingslogicallyIfitisnotworking,checkthecomponents
usedarenotfaulty,checkconnectionsarecorrect,readthiswholearticleandallthecomments,searchGoogleifyoudonotunderstandanyoftheterms,or
readthroughourLearnElectronicssection.Remember:HotthingswillburnyouandcansetthingsonfireElectricitycanelectrocuteyouandalsocausefire.Put
safetyfirst.
InductionHeaterCircuitavailabletobuy
AfullyassembledandtestedInductionheatercircuitisnowavailabletobuyfromourshop.ThiscircuitisjustliketheoneinthisDIY
projectexceptitusespowerful180Atransistorstoimproverobustness.
Thecircuithasininputforenable/disableofthepoweroutputsothatitcanbemodulatedbyaPWMcircuitforpowercontrol.
Youcanalsobuytheinductioncoilorpartssuchascopperpipe,litzwire,watercooling,capactiors,24VPSUandmore.
CommentsandquestionsforDIYInductionHeater
Theinformationprovidedherecannotbeguaranteedasaccurateorcorrect.Alwayscheckwithanalternatesourcebeforefollowinganysuggestionsmadehere.
TommyWednesday,26thOctober20111:07pm#4640
Whatistheredwaveformonthescope?
RMCyberneticsWednesday,26thOctober20116:04pm#4641
Theredwaveformisthegatevoltageoftheothertransistor.
MarcusThursday,27thOctober201111:07pm#4642
CouldIuseapancakecoiltomakeastovestyleheater?
RMCyberneticsFriday,28thOctober201112:25pm#4644
Yesyoucan.
RusdiSunday,30thOctober20111:01am#4646
Iintendtobuy3setsofallthepartsfromuguystobuildthis,butIamanewbieinelectronics,isthereanyspecialconsiderationstobuildthisotherthanthen
currentandvoltagehazard?Andwhatswiththeosciloscope?anythingspecialwiththeosciloscope,likeithastobegroundedinsomeparticularwayoranything
else?Oranyotherparticularconsiderations?
SurastyoSunday,30thOctober20113:46am#4648
IbuildthistodayandendedwithburntFET.IuseFQP60N06.Iuse6turnand4x470nFcapacitors.Howcanit
happen?ShouldIuse7812tofeedGate?Canyoushowthedrawing?OrwrongpinconnectionofFET?isitG,D,Sif
readfromfrontside?Thanks
RMCyberneticsSunday,30thOctober201111:01am#4649
Rusdi,
Thereisalsothetemperaturehazard,andthenpotentiallychemicalhazardsifcomponentsgetburned.Thescopeis
notneeded,butwasusefulforseingthewaveformsandfrequency.Thescopegroundshouldbethesamegroundas
yourPSU.youcanthenmeasureattheMOSFETgate,orcollectorterminals.Ifyoumeasureatthecollector,
rememberthatthevoltagecouldbemuchhigherthanthesupplyvoltagesosetthescopeaccordingly.
Surastyo.
Ican'tseemtofindthedatasheetforthatpartnumber.Whatareitsratings?TheyaretypicallysetasGDS,butyou
needtocheckthemanufacturersdatasheet.Ialsodonotseeanylargeinductor(L2)inyourpicture.I'veattacheda
diagramshowingthe7812voltageregulatorbeingused.
GarudadidadaSunday,30thOctober20118:51pm#4650
DELETED:NosendingofsecretmessagesinIndonesianoranyotherlanguage.
SurastyoMonday,31stOctober20113:20am#4652
FQP60N06:Ithinkits60V,18A.itschinneseandhardlytofindthedatasheet.Thelargeinductor(L2)isbehindthe
CAPs.seemynewpic.Thanksfor7812diagram.I'lltryanotherotherMOSFETIhave,whilewaitingthetheorderfrom
RMCyberneticsarrived.BTWwhatismodificationneededtomakeita"InductionFurnace"tomeltaluminum(700deg.
C)?Thanks
RMCyberneticsMonday,31stOctober20111:06pm#4654
Ithink60VismuchtoolowofavoltageratingfortheMOSFETs.THeyareprobablybeingdestroyedbyovervoltage.
Togethottertemperatures,youneedtousemorepowerfultransistorsandcapacitors,andthenuseahighersupplyvoltage.
RusdiMonday,31stOctober20115:10pm#4655
Thisissomethingelsetousethisasaninductionfurnace,butcouldyourecommendstrongercapsandtransistorsandhowaboutthehighervoltagepower
supply?I'dliketobuythemfromyou,rmc
RusdiWednesday,2ndNovember20118:26am#4656
Rmcybernetics,couldurecomendsome"higher"transistorsandcaps?IintendtobuysomesetsfromubutIthinkillgoforthe"higher"componentsiftheyexist
inursiteandwithurrecomendations.
RMCyberneticsWednesday,2ndNovember20119:43am#4657
Wedon'thaveanythingelseavailableatthemoment.Youwouldjusthavetolookforcomponentswithlargervoltageandcurrentratings.
MartinTuesday,8thNovember20113:42pm#4659
I'vetriedbuildinganinductionheaterbasedonyourschematicanditworksquitewell.However,myheaterwon'theatupto'glowingpoint'(maybeduetomy
powersupply,it'sonly30V,5A)and,abiggerproblem,myFETstendtobecomeprettyhot.Whenilookatmycoilvoltagewithascopeit'swaymorenoisyand
irregularthanwhatyouarehaving.Doyouhaveanyclueaboutwhatmightbegoingonhere?
jocoTuesday,8thNovember20114:33pm#4660
FET'sgoingwarm....Amps...uplikehell...whatisgoingon?Iusedirfpb4615,4pcsof330ncapacitor...therestthesameasyours...oh...witha25Vsupply.
RMCyberneticsTuesday,8thNovember20116:24pm#4661
Martin,Ifyouarenotgettingnicesinusoidaloscillations,thiscouldbeduetohavingtoolittle,oreventoomuchinductanceinyourchoke(L2).Youmayneedto
experimentwithdifferentchokedesignstofindsomethingthatworkswellwithyourotherparts.Yourworkcoilshouldideallybeonlyalittlelargerthantheobject
tobeheatedasthiswillmaximisetheconcentrationofmagneticflux.Ifthatdoesnothelp,addaphotoofyourscopeshowingthegatevoltage,anddrainvoltage
waveforms.
Joco,Ican'tfindthatpartnumber.Didyoumakeatypo?
TohoolooTuesday,8thNovember20119:06pm#4662
WhatisthemaximumcapacitanceforC1.
jocoWednesday,9thNovember20116:45am#4663
sorryforpartnumber.it'sirfb4615
RMCyberneticsWednesday,9thNovember20118:38am#4664
Tohooloo,C1canbeaslargeasyoulike.ThecombinationofcapacitanceofC1andtheinductanceofL1formaresonantcircuit.Alargercapacitanceorinductance
willresultinalowerfrequency.
Joco,ThatMOSFETseemsok.Tryusingalargerchoke(L2).
deyanFriday,11thNovember201111:35pm#4666
Togetfasterheatingdoineedhigherorlowerfrequency
RMCyberneticsSaturday,12thNovember20119:55am#4667
Neither.Youneedhigherpower.
deyanSunday,13thNovember20115:59pm#4668
iamusinga12volt10amppowersuplymytrnsistorarep50n06R1R2thedidesandL2arethesameasyours.Ismysuplyweakbecauseicantgetitogloing
pointandanotherthingmycarareburninginaboutaminuteorsotheyarereatetdfor250275voltswhatshuldichangetogetbetterreasults?Thankyou.
deyanMonday,14thNovember20115:14pm#4669
caniuseaIGBTsuchasBUP203asthetransistorstheyarereatedfor1000voltsandifyesarethereanydiferncesintheschematic?
StephenThursday,8thDecember20118:35pm#4680
Whatvoltageratingareyourcapacitors?
RMCyberneticsSunday,11thDecember20114:32pm#4684
Deyan,
Itsoundslikeyourcapacitorshavetoomuchinternalresistance(ESR).Youneedsomethingthatisbetterforhighpower,theyaretypicallymuchlargerinsizefor
thesamecapacitancevalue.Therearemanytypesoftransistorsthatmaywork,butitisuptoyoutotestiftheonesyouhaveareok.Isuspectthatahigh
voltageIGBTwillhavetoolargeofavoltagedropbetweencollectorandemmiterwhichwouldmeanthattheoppositetransistorwouldnotswitchoffproperly.I
usedthese100V,35AMOSFETswhichworkedwell.
Stephen,
Iusedthese1000V,330nFcapacitors.
RobMonday,12thDecember20118:01am#4686
Isentanemail,butIthinkIshouldjustaskhere.Wouldthesepartsworkforthisproject?:240OHM5W5%METALOXIDE1N4007FDA69N25NCHMOSFET
250V69ATO3PFILMCapacitor2UF700VDCB32794D3205KAlso,willthiscircuitbeabletohandle55Vat10A(withupgrades)?Cheers
RMCyberneticsWednesday,14thDecember201111:59am#4687
Icanonlysuggestyoufollowtheinstructionsgiven.Ifyouuseothercomponents,theymayormaynotwork.Thatisuptoyoutoworkout.
SurastyoFriday,16thDecember201111:10am#4688
HiagainItrynewcoil,newcaps,andnewMosfet.Iburtn5or6ofmosfets,it'shappenbecauseIdidn'trealizethat
onediodeissortedsoHVdirectlygoestoGpin.NowIuse30A,30Vpowersupply,IRFP260,6Adiode,7812,7Tcopper
pipecoil,etc.Iamquiethappywiththeresult,butitseemstaketolongtoheatathing.Iplanttomeltaluminumwith
it.myquestionare:1.iscoilturn,coildiameter,capacitorsizeaffectheatingpower,oritjustshapingthewave?2.my
waveisslithlydifferentfromyours,why?3.isitoktoincreasetheV+to50Vor90Vtoincreasepower(yesI'llcount
themosfetanddiodepowerrate)?4.howtotrimthistobemostefficient?iswaveformcandeterminethat?letsay
clearsimetricalwaveismostefficient?5.canwecreatesinusoidalwave?6.issinusoidalwavethemostefficientwave
forinductionheating?Ohh...Ihopeit'snottomuch..Thanks
SurastyoFriday,16thDecember201111:12am#4689
itmakesthingshot100or200degCmaybe..heretheotherpicture
RMCyberneticsFriday,16thDecember201111:39am#4690
1.Allthosefactorswillvarytheperformance.Thenumberofturnswilldeterminetheimpedanceofthecoilandthereforehowmuchcurrentwillflowforagiven
frequency.Lessturnswillallowforhigherpeakcurrent,buttoofewandthetransistorswillblow.
Thecoildiametershouldideallybejustslightlylargerthantheworkpiecethatistobeheated.Thismaximisesthefieldcouplingandismoreefficient.
Thecapacitorsizewillalsodeterminepeakcurrent.largerisbetter,butnottoolargeortheresonantfrequencywillbecometoolow.Physicallylargercapacitorswill
havelowinternalresistancetoosotheywillperformmuchbetter.Thebankofcapsinyourpicturelookwaytosmallfortheamountofmetalyouaretryingto
heat.
2.Youshouldgetanicehalfsinewaveform.Youneedtoexperimentwithttheinductor(L2).Trydifferentnumbersofturnsuntilyouseesomeimprovement.You
couldalsoadd15VZenerdiodesbetweenthegateandsourcepinsofeachtransistortohelpprotectthemfromvoltagespikes.
3.V+canbeashighasyoulike,justmakesureyourcomponentsaresufficioenttohandlethevoltageriseinthecoil.Youwillalsoneedtosupplythegatesfrom
astable12Vsource.
4,5,6.Seeotheranswers.
NicollasTuesday,20thDecember201112:10am#4691
HelloIwonderifVDCpowersuppliesusedtofeedthecoilL2andGates/MOSFETSaretwopowersupliesseparates.
RMCyberneticsTuesday,20thDecember201111:08am#4692
Youcanuseasinglepowersupply,orseperateones.Ifusingasinglesupplyitshouldbeatmost15V,or30Vifyouusetheregulatorasshowninanotherpost.
NicollasWednesday,21stDecember20118:21pm#4696
HELLO,MYHILLLOOP,BUTWHENPUTINPOWERSUPPLYCIRCUIT,Hebehaveslikeashortcircuitandthevoltagedropstoo,IFIDISCONNECTTHE
CENTEROFTENSIONCOILNormalize,BUTNOTTHENOTHINGHAPPENS
RMCyberneticsFriday,23rdDecember201110:50am#4697
Yourpowersupplyisnotabletodeliverenoughcurrent.Youneedabiggersupply,ormanymoreturnsontheworkcoilorchoke.
RobSunday,25thDecember20118:40am#4698
Willthiscircuitworkproperlywithapowersupplyof12vat30A?
RMCyberneticsWednesday,28thDecember20112:25pm#4699
Yes
NicollasThursday,29thDecember20118:55pm#4701
Iwouldliketoknowawaytoreducecurrentconsumption,becausemysourceis10amps.
RMCyberneticsWednesday,4thJanuary201211:15am#4705
Thecurrentwilldependonthevoltageyouapply,andtheloadimpedance.Moreturnsonyourworkcoil,smallercapacitors,andlargerchokeinductancewill
reducecurrent.
RobThursday,12thJanuary20125:01am#4707
JustpostingtosharethatI'vesuccessfullymademyownheaterusingtheinfohere.SomedetailsofwhatIused:~.3uHworkcoil12v30Apowersupply
IRFB59N10DPBFmosfets4.2ufcapacitorbank(100Apulse)2mHchokeIpostedaVideoResponsetotheoriginalvideo:http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=AT_lRjYjzUgThanksforsharingthisinformation.
RMCyberneticsThursday,12thJanuary20122:33pm#4708
Nicejob.ThanksforsharingRob.
jamesFriday,13thJanuary201211:00pm#4709
Hello,Woulditbepossibleforyoutoshowabitclearerpictureofthephysicalconnectionsofthetransistorsthemselvesandtoalsoindicatewhichpinsarewhatfor
theelectronicallychallengenedamongus?
ChanilSaturday,14thJanuary201212:56am#4710
Hi,isitpossibletorunthison15Vat1A?FormyapplicationIonlyneedittoachive200degreescelcius.Butithastorunfordaysorevenweeksatatime(it'sfor
worldslargest3dABSprinter).I'mcurrentlyusingeverycomponentthatisrecommended,butallofthemaregettinghot...Ihavealreadyroasteda
capacitor(usedawrongone,woulditexplaintheriseintempertureofthemosfets?)InmytestsI'vepoweredthemwitha19V5Apsu(Imusinga12vregulatorfor
thegates).I'mplanningtousemultipleheatsinkswithasmallfantoprovidecooling.Sotoconcludewillitreachtherequiredtempertureifonlyusing15Vat1A?
Willthecomponentsstaycoolifitwouldwork?Andifnotanysuggestions?
RMCyberneticsSunday,15thJanuary201212:08pm#4713
James,
IfyouGooglethepartnumbersyouwillfindthemanufacturerpdfdatasheets.Thesewilltellyouwhichpinsprovideaparticularfunction.Ithinkitisbestyoutry
workingthisoutyourselfasyouwillgainabetterknowledgeandunderstanding.Youcanalsocheckoutthesectiononthesiteforhelpingtolearnelectronicsasit
willexplainalotaboutthecomponentsandthephysicsoftheelectronicsinvolved.
Chanil,
Yes,ifyouwanttolimitthecurrentto1A,thenyoumustincreasetheimpedanceofthecircuit.Usingmanymoreturnsinyourworkcoilandthechokewilllimit
thecurrent.
ChanilFriday,27thJanuary20127:21pm#4719
Checkoutmyinductionheater^^.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTIHvc6AohIIhadaboardmadeforit.Thisisoneofthetestsforit.Note:thecamcan't
readhighertempsthan270degreescelcius.Andformyapplicationonly205210isrequired.Itreachesabout400500degreescelciusinthevideo.
RMCyberneticsSunday,29thJanuary20129:38pm#4722
Chanil'svideo...
akramTuesday,31stJanuary20129:26am#4729
Iusedpowersupply110volt60Aiwanttodesignacircuitiwanttoknowthekindofmosfettransistoranddiodeandresistorsandcapacitorssowewanta
quotationforthematerial
justinSunday,5thFebruary201211:16pm#4731
higuysibuiltthisthingandhadalittletrubleitturnedouttobethediodesiwasuseing(4007)andchangedthemto
somesmallerglassones(don'tknowwhattheyare)andwith1.8ufworthofcapsitworksgreat!!itwasalotoffun
andibuilttwomoretogiveawayallthepartsihadgotfromabrokenflatscreentv.theyrunaround125kandiused
IGBT.thanksfortheprojectandagoodrundownonit!!!!!!
adMonday,6thFebruary20124:27am#4732
RMCybernetics,Ireallylikeyourcoildesign!I'mworkingonaprojectwhereIneedtohaveatankthatresonatesatabout1MHz.Doyouhavesuggestionsfor
modifyingC1,L1,andL2forthatpurpose?AslongastheFETScanswitchfastenoughtherestofthecircuitcanlikelyremainthesamebutI'mnotsure
whetherI'mbetterofdecreasingCorLtogettherightresonance.ifyouhadanyreferencesforchoosingthosevaluesthatwouldalsobegreat!thanks,a.d.
EricFriday,10thFebruary201210:22pm#4737
I'venoticedsomeinterestingbehaviorwiththiscircuitandIamcuriouswhatyouthink.Iusedallthesamecomponents(Thecoilissimilarandthecapsare
similar,samemosfet,diodesandresistors(Ididusea124ohmresistorsaswell,withsimilarbehavior)).Usinga30V30AsupplythecircuitpullsalotofAmps(15
to30A)ataverylowvoltageandthesupplysimplycan'tincreasethevoltagebeyondafewvolts.Usinga25V.5Asupplythecircuitdrawspoweratalowvoltage,
butIcanincreasethevoltage.Atabout5V(accordingtotheanalogmeteronthesupply,couldbedifferentgiventheload)theresonantcircuitkicksinandweget
abeautifulsinewaveontheresonantcircuit(butminimalheating).UsingthisIwentbacktothelargesupply.Iconnectedaswitchbetweenthesupplyandthe
circuitandsetthesupplyto12V.Flippingtheswitch(providinganearinstantaneous12V)drovethesinewavejustasbefore(nowpullingabitmorecurrentas
thesupplycouldhandleit).Sothereseemstobesomeissueatlowvoltages.Itmayexplainwhy@jocowasgetting'ampslikehell'atlowvoltages.
RMCyberneticsMonday,13thFebruary20124:57pm#4740
ad,
YoucanreduceC,butyouwillneedtmakesurethattheremainingcapacitorsyouhaveareabletotakeallthecurrent.Theadvantageofusinglotsofcapacitors
isthatthecurrentissharedbetweenthem.
Eric,
WhatyoudescribesjustsoundslikeitisduetothelimitationsofyourPSU.Rememberthatvoltageandcurrentaredirectlyrelatedandwillbeaffectedbythe
impedanceofyourload.IfyourPSUshowslowvolts,andhighamps,thisindicatesthattheimpedanceofyourcircuitislowandyourPSUisdroppingthevoltsto
keepthecurrentwithinitsratings.
EricThursday,16thFebruary20121:24am#4744
RMC,Whatisoddisthatthecircuithasverylowimpedanceatlowvoltage(12volts)andnormalimpedanceat12volts.Thisisusingthesamecircuitandsupply
inbothcases.Theonlydifferenceisthatinthe12voltcaseIimmediatelyapplythefull12voltsviaaswitchinsteadofhookingupthesupplyandturningupthe
voltage.UsingmylowamperagesupplyIwasabletoseethattheharmoniccircuitwasn'tkickinginuntilabout5V.Myguessisthatatlowvoltagestheharmonic
LCsystemisn'tbeingdrivenandtheDCloadispassingthroughasinglemosfetthroughthecoil.Inthiscasetheimpedancewouldbeverylow.Ihaveobserved
justasinglehotmosfetinthisoddlowvoltagescenario.
RMCyberneticsSaturday,18thFebruary20123:52pm#4748
Yes,itwouldseemthatyoujusthaveDCflowingatlowvoltages
javierWednesday,14thMarch20124:01am#4759
DISCULPAYOHECONSTRUIDOUNTUCIRCUITOPERONECESITOMANEJAR110VY25A,PEROCUANDOCONECTOELCIRCUITOALAFUENTELOSMOSFET
EXPLOTAN,LOSMOSFETQUEUSOSONDE600VY40A.AYUDAMEPORFAVORESMUYURGENTESORRYIHAVEBUILTACIRCUITBUTINEEDYOURDRIVER
110Vand25A,BUTWHENTHECIRCUITCONNECTEDTOSOURCETHEEXPLOITMOSFET,MOSFETTHEUSETHATARE600Vand40A.PLEASEHELPMEIS
URGENT
RMCyberneticsWednesday,14thMarch20125:53pm#4762
YourMOSFETneedstobeabletowithtsandthepeakcurrent.MeasuretheDCcurrentyourcoildrawsfromyoursupplywhehnyouapply120V.Isuspectyouneed
moreturnsonyourworkcoilandchoke.
davidSaturday,17thMarch20124:10pm#4769
canyouuse12voltsforthisproject?
HampusThursday,29thMarch201212:42pm#4771
Whichoneofthediodsareyouactualyusing?The40Vorthe100V?
RMCyberneticsFriday,6thApril20129:04am#4777
David,yes.
Hampus,Both.Thefirstversionusesthe40Vones,laterwhenmorepowerisused,the1000Vonesareused.
BenjaminMonday,9thApril201212:59am#4780
RMC,Ihavemanagedtoreproduceyourinductionheaterusingthesamecomponentsandcircuit,butmineisn'tworking.Ipowereditwitha19V4,5Ampslaptop
powersupply.Actually,allthevoltageissharedbetweenthetworesistorsandit'slikenocurrentflowsinthecontrolcircuit.Doyouhaveanyideaaboutwhere
theproblemcouldcomefrom?
ChrisMonday,16thApril20127:54am#4782
Hithere.IbuiltasmallerinductionheaterfollowingascloselyasIcouldtoyours,andafterafewunfortunateaccidents,igotitworkingandlovedit.Iamnow
upsizingtoa110voltversionfromwallpowerrectifiedthroughabridgeandatransformerwithrectifierfor12voltstothegates.MyquestioniscanIsolelyuse
thechoketolimitcurrentsothatIcouldhaveaoneturnworkcoilifIwanted,andifso,doIaddthatimpedancetohalforalloftheworkcoilasitiscenter
tapped.Thankyouforyourgreatwork
RMCyberneticsMonday,16thApril20129:47am#4784
Benjamin,
Maybeitisthe19Vsupply.Makesureyouusearegulatorforthegatesasshowninapreviouspost.
Chris,
Yesthechokewilllimitthecurrent,butonlyaslongasitisoscillating.Youshouldworkbasedontheimpedanceofhalftheworkcoil.
MrLeehWednesday,18thApril201212:13pm#4787
DearRMCybernetics,dearusersthanksforthissmartandverysimplewayofinductionalheating.Itrieditandeventuallyitworkedverywell.Wecanheatthings
upto350Candhigher.AtfirstwehadproblemswiththeMOSFETSgettinghotandalsoswitchingthroughatacertainpowervoltagelevel(around8V).Sowe
couldn'tgetanymorethen40Wofheatingpower.ThenwediscoverredthatthewiresweusedtoconnecttheSOURCEtothegroundweresimplytolongandat
thehighfrequencytheyproducedlot'sofnoise.Sowedecidedtouseonlyonethickwireasconnectiontothegroundofthesourceandpartitshortwiredtothe
twoMOSFETs.NowwestillgotsomenoiseontheGATEbutitworksverywell(15V,10A).GreetingsMrLeeh
nathanSunday,22ndApril20125:44pm#4792
amazingproject.cantwaittotryitout.I'veseensomepostsaboutuppingthepowerwithlargercapsandhigherratedmosfetswithlargerpowersupplybutisit
possibletousemoreofthesamemosfetsjusthookedinparallelwithalargerpowersupplyandcapsorwouldthatcauseissueswiththegates.I'veseenitdonein
certaintypesofsoundampsbutI'malittleunfamiliarwithhighvoltagemosfetsandwanttomakesurebeforetrying
RMCyberneticsTuesday,24thApril201212:27pm#4794
ItmightbepossibletoparallelsomeMOSFETs,butyouwouldneedtomakeshortneatconnectionsotherwisetheymaysufferfrominterferenceproblems.
DevenTuesday,1stMay20124:21pm#4795
whichtypeofFETusedin30v10ASupplyinyoursecondcase,andgivethedimentioncoppertubeandrediousofturn.
RMCyberneticsTuesday,8thMay201212:10pm#4796
TheSTP30NF10isusedinbothversions.Weused4mmbrasstube,withacoilradiusof25mm.
GillesWednesday,6thJune20123:34pm#4804
Hi,Isitpossibleandwhatwouldittaketohaveadimmerswitchcontrollingtheintensityofheat?
RMCyberneticsTuesday,12thJune20122:39pm#4805
Youwouldneedsometypeofinterruptercircuitandthenvarythepulsewidthoftheinterrupter.ForexampleYoucoulduseoneofourPowerPulseModulators
settoalowfrequencytosupplythepowertothecircuit.Adjustingthepulsewidthsettingwouldproportionallyadjustthepowerintheheater.
HansTuesday,17thJuly20128:46pm#4807
HiWoulditbepossibletouseaweldingAC"buzzbox"whithasuitablebridgerectifierasapowersource?(noloadvoltage57Vand25Vat100A)Ormaybea
inverterwelder?Iwan'tsometypeoftransformeretcsinceI'mnottofondofhookingupthemains240Vtoabarbedwire!!!Hans
whiskThursday,19thJuly20127:08pm#4808
Iamtryingtobuildasmallversionofthisusing12vpowersupplybutthesolderusedtoconnectthecoiltothecapacitorskeepsmelting.Anysuggestions.I
believethecircuitisworkingbutIcan'tbesuresinceitonlystaysonafewsecondsbeforethesoldermelts.Perhapssomethingelseisgoingwrong.Shouldthecoil
begettingthishot?
RMCyberneticsThursday,19thJuly201210:21pm#4809
Hans,
Youwouldalsoneedaverylargesmoothingcapacitor,butitcouldwork.
whisk,
Ifyoursolderismeltingsoquicklyitisprobablybecauseyourwireistoothin.Youneedtomakethecoilfromverythickwireorcopperpipe.
wellingtonSunday,22ndJuly20121:22am#4810
thanksfortheinfomyquestionisifIcanusethiscircuitto24voltsfromabatteryor110voltsialsousedtoreduceasourceis24v030vpleasecithereisa
changeinthecircuitpleasegivemececanalsousemoreparalleltrancistores
wellingtonSunday,22ndJuly20121:34am#4811
irf150nMOSFETcanbeused,orincometaxor54n64ntanbientheiprf250nforuseinparallelbariums
RMCyberneticsFriday,27thJuly201212:33pm#4814
wellinton,Idonotunderstandyou.Ifyouareusinganelectronictranslator,makesuretousegoodpunctuationandgrammarforanaccuratetranslation.
AamerFriday,27thJuly20128:42pm#4815
IamplanningtomakethissimpleInductionHeaterforheatingCatheterTippingMolds.Pleaseseetheattachedpicture
ofthemoldforyourreference.Iplantoheattwomoldssimultaneously.Molddiameter1/2"anddistancebetweenthe
moldswouldbe4".Ihave2questions:a)Isitimportanttohave1000vcapacitors?Whatminimumvoltagerating
wouldbeOK?b)Thesecondpictureshows4designsofworkcoils.Whichofthemwouldbemoreefficienttoheatboth
themolds.
AamerFriday,27thJuly20128:46pm#4816
Herearethefourdesignsofworkcoils.Ahyes,anotherquestion:Doesasolidcopperwirecoilwoulddothejob?
kevinSaturday,28thJuly201212:20am#4817
HeyGuys,Ransomecalculationsonbothofyourheaters.Inthefirstone,atabout200kHz,theinductorshouldbeabout1uH.Realizethatthepeakvoltagethat
isringinginthetankcircuitisgoingtobepi*supplyvoltage,inthiscaseabout47v.Thisyieldsapeakcurrentofabout39amps!(27.5RMSamps)Giventhat
2mmbrasstubingwasused,thisgivethecrosssectionalareaofabout3mm^2,andsinceitwastubing,mostlikelyabout1mm^2forcurrenttoflow,theapprox.
sizeofan18AWGwire.Passing27ampsthrough18gaugewirewouldheatthewireuptowellover90Cifitwaspurecopper,sobeingbrasswouldincreasethe
lossesanditshowsinthephotowhereunloadedthecircuitisdissipatingover40watts!nowonderthecoildwasstartingtosoften.Thesecondcircuitisalittle
better.Itisusing1.98uFofcapacitanceat133kHz.Thisgivesusacoilinductanceofabout0.723uH.Thisyeildsacurrentinatankofabout105RMSA.Even
thoughthetubingislargerandcooled,thelossesbeforeinsertingtheloadwasalreadyat210W.Thatbeingsaid,thecurrentringingintheworkcoilneedstobe
reduced.Thatcanbedonebyoneoftwomeans,increasetheinductanceorreducethecapacitanceorboth.i(t)=v(t)sqrt(C/L).Thisisderivedbysettingthe
reactivepowerformulaequaltooneanotherandsolving.KVAR=V^2/Xc=I^2*Xl.Iwouldredesigntolimittheresonantcurrentintheworkcoiltobemuch
lowerandthenseewhatquiescentlossesare.Thenputinyourload.Ibetthetimetotemperaturewouldbegreatlyreducebecausemorepowerisgoingintothe
loadandnotbewastedincirculatingcurrentloses.Kev
RMCyberneticsMonday,30thJuly20126:40pm#4818
Aamer,a)Thecapacitorsvoltageratingjustneedstobelargerthanthevoltagetheymightbeexposedto.Remembertoaccountfortheresonantvoltagerise.b)A
wouldnotbeverygoodduetolowcoupling,buttheotherswillbeok.Copperwireisonlygoingtobeokatlowpowerlevels.Litzwirewouldbebetter,butwater
cooledpipewillbebest.
RMCyberneticsMonday,30thJuly20126:41pm#4819
ThanksforyourcommentsKev.
grantWednesday,1stAugust20123:58am#4820
Iwouldlikeatomakeonethatusesnomorethan12Vand10Awhatsizeofcapacitorsandresistersetc.doIneed.Ineedittovaporizegasolineordieselfuelina
metalpipethatsabout1/4inIDmax.(Goaltempsaround140200F)I'mverygreenatthisIneedalotofhelpwiththisscienceproject
RMCyberneticsFriday,3rdAugust20122:23pm#4821
Grant,Youneedtoworkoutthevaluesforyourself,wecannotdoyourprojectforyou.
johnSunday,5thAugust20127:04am#4822
Thankyouforyourtimetoanswerthisquestion...Isitpossibletomakeaninductionheaterthatwouldheatpiecesofironthatareweldedtoarotatingdrumas
theindividualpiecespassovertheinductioncoilwithsay,10piecesofirondistributedaroundthecircumferenceofthisdrum,andbeabletoheatthedrumbythis
methodquicklytoaround460degrees,withawattageofinexcessof3000watts?AgainthankyouforthetimetotellmeifIambarkingupthewrongtree.John
RMCyberneticsMonday,6thAugust20121:20pm#4823
Itdependsonhowfastitisrotating,andhowlargethemetalpartsare.
AamerThursday,9thAugust201210:10pm#4824
ComparingmylastproposalofworkcoilsB,C,andD,whatdosayaboutthismodification?
RMCyberneticsFriday,10thAugust20126:40pm#4825
ItlooksOK.Isthereanyreasonthetipscantbeclosertogether,orevenplacedendtoend?Separatingthetwohalvesofthecoilmeansthatthefieldineachcoil
willoscillatinginstrength,ratherthanalternatingpolarityasyouwouldhavewhenthecoilsaretogether.Youwouldreallybebetteroffhavingtwoseparate
circuitsandcoilsasitwouldbemosteffective.
HansFriday,10thAugust20128:17pm#4827
HiIwasthinkingaboutKevinspost.I'mnotanEEandcanbetotalywrongbut:Inaselfoscillatingcircuitlikethisthefreqencytendtobewherethecapacitive
andinductivereactanceequalsouteatchotherie:thevoltageandcurrentisinphaseandthepowerfactoriscloseto1.Ifthisistrue,thenthelossesmustcome
fromresistiveloadietheresistanceinthecoilandcopperwouldprobablybeamuchbettermaterialforthecoil?Sinceitisaselfresonantcircuit,changingcapor
coilwouldalterfreqency:moreinductanceorlesscapacitance=higherfreqencyandlessinductanceormorecapacitance=lowerfrequency.Nowtomyquestion
:IfIamright,whatbenefitswouldtherebeifIusedhigher(orlower)freqency?WouldIgethighereffeciency?IfIamwrong,wheredidIgowrong?Hans
JustinSaturday,11thAugust20127:57pm#4828
Isthereariskofshockwiththiscircuit?riskofshockbytouchingtheelementthatisbeingheatedinthecoilwithanothermetalrod?(orisitelectrically
isolated?)riskofshock/spark/dangerousshortbytouchingtheelementtobeheatedtothecoil?riskofshockbytouchingthebrasscoil?anythingelseimight
notbethinkingof?
RMCyberneticsSaturday,11thAugust20128:45pm#4829
Hans,Mostlosseswillcomefromresistanceinthecomponents.Mostlyinthecoilinthiscase,butlossesinthecapacitorarenotinsignificant.Itisimportanttouse
capacitorswithalowESR.Youhavethingsalittlemixedregardstoalteringfrequency.Increasingeitherinductanceorcapacitancewilllowerthefrequency.At
higherfrequencytherewillbemorelossesinthecapacitordielectric,andalsointhecoilduetotheskineffect.Theskineffectwouldalsomeanthatathigh
frequenciestheheatingwouldbeconcentratedinthinnerlayersonthesurfaceofmaterialsample.
Justin,Yes,thevoltagerisesasdescribedinthearticlewouldmeanthatexposedterminalsorthecoilcouldhavehighvoltagespresent.Youshouldavoidletting
theheatedobjecttouchthecoilasitcouldshortcircuitanddamageyourtransistors.
wellingtonThursday,16thAugust20129:40pm#4830
thanksforthedesignIdid12voltandperfectdesignIaminterestedinadipocitibode24voltsacer110voltsand220voltsmofetwhichIcanuseorwouldhavek
kusingthyristorsandthecondensercapacitiesthanksforthedesignisverycoolIworkedforonetimeandI'minterestedinMajorcanefficientvoltageforfaster
heating
NicollasFriday,17thAugust201211:12pm#4831
Isetupacircuitlikethis.butheisnotworking.oneofthemosfetsisverywarmingandthecurrentisveryhigh.put12VbutthecurrentoneseemsCurcocircuit.
aumeiteiasthenumberofwindingsL1andL2nomoreworks.nothingchangesthat.I'musingmosfetIRFP250Nwhatmightbehappening?mysourceis
12V/20AMPS.
RMCyberneticsSaturday,18thAugust201211:30am#4832
wellington,Ihavenoideawhatyouaretalkingabout.Nicollas,Idonotreallyunderstandallyouwroteeither,butitsoundslikeyourcircuitisnotoscilating.Ifyou
arealsousingdifferentdiodes,itcouldbebecausetheyhavetoomuchvoltagedropwhichpreventsthetransistorsfrombeingswitched.
MikeFriday,24thAugust20124:38am#4835
Canstainlesssteelbeusedfortheworkcoil?
RMCyberneticsFriday,24thAugust20129:04am#4836
No.Theresistanceofthecoilwouldbetoohigh.Thelossesinthecoilwouldcauseittogetveryhotandwastealotofpower.Copperisthebestmaterialtouse.
Brasswasonlyusedherebecausewehadthepipeinourworkshopanditwassmallenoughformakingthissimpledemonstration.
NicollasSaturday,25thAugust201212:13am#4837
swappedfornew1N4007diodesandstilldoesnotwork,thevoltagedropsto12voltsto6volts,anddoesnotoscillate.'musing220ohmresistors,itinterferein
thefunctioningofthecircuit?
MikeMonday,27thAugust20125:33am#4838
Ok,great,onemorequestion.I'musingyoursamecircuitandI'musinga12v16.7Aswitchingsupplyisthisgoingtobeaproblem?Ihookeditupandseemedto
frymydiodes.I'musingante2396FETwithenhancementmode.Iorderedtheonesyourusingtoseeifthat'stheproblem.italsomakesmysupplygointo
protectionmode,almostlikethesupplysawthecurcuitasadeadshort,I'mhopingit'sthetransistors,orperhapsIneedabiggerworkcoil,anyhelp?
Nicollas,MikeUsethediagraminpost4649thatincludesavoltageregulator.Useabiggerchoke,andplacealargecapacitorparalleltothePSUtohelpitcope
withcurrentsurges.
MikeWednesday,29thAugust20124:22am#4840
That'sgoodavice,A:isthereacalculationthatIcanusetodeterminetheinductanceforL2basedontheinductance/resistanceofL1?Imusing3/8inchcopper
pipe.B:doIstllneeda12VregulatorinthecircuitifI'musingasingle12Vsupplytodrivethewholething?
AndreasThursday,30thAugust201212:33am#4841
Hello.Inadvance,sorryaboutmypoorEnglish!Webougthainductiveheateratworkalastweekitcostabout1500dollars,andisaidthatiwaswonderingabout
buildingonemyself,soalltheguysiworkwithlaughtatmeandsaidicouldnotdoit...Soidesidedthatihadtodoittoshutthemupbybuildingone!)but
thereisafewproblems...I`mreallynotaexpertonelectronicsbutihaveamildunderstandingofitsoithinkiunderstandmostoftheshematicyouhavedrew,
exeptontherightoftheshematicthereissometingcalled"L2".Canyoumaybetrytoexplainittome?Andthesecondquestion:Ihavea22Vpowersupply,If
maketheinductorjustasyouhaveshowninthefirstpartofyourDIY,exeptiuseMy22Vsupplyinsteadof15V,theDiodesthatyouusedonthe"phushingit
further"partoftheDIY,thethicerbrasstubingandmaybe4capacitors(ordoineed6on22Vallso?)Wouldthiswork???Ithingitsgreatthaticanbuyallthe
partsfromyourDIYonyourpage!Bestregards!
AndreasThursday,30thAugust201210:28pm#4842
Hello,Iamgoingtousea22Vpowersupply,willineedthe12Vvoltageregulatormentionedinthediy?wheredoiconectit?AretheMosfet`smarkedsoiknow
witchlegonthetransistorgoeswhere?
wellingtonSunday,2ndSeptember201210:21pm#4843
isokey12volts110volts?mosfet?watnumberplees
RMCyberneticsMonday,3rdSeptember201211:55am#4844
Mike,Andreas,TheinductorL2servesasachoketopreventhighfrequenciesreachingyourpowersupply,andalsoasaballasttolimitcurrent.Thecalulationswill
dependonyouroperationfrequencyanddesiredcurrent.22Visfine,butyouwillneedtofeedthegatesviaaregulatorasshowninapreviouspost.Youshould
probablyusemorethanfourcapacitors.
AndreasMonday,3rdSeptember20129:50pm#4845
Helloagain.Ihaveordered8capasitorsfromyou,isitbesttouse6likeyouhaveonyoursetuporwillitbebesttousethemall?
regFriday,7thSeptember20123:03pm#4849
imakeyourschematicanditworksverygood!thanksjustonequestion,mymosfetsareveryhotwhy?thankyouforanswer
RMCyberneticsFriday,7thSeptember20123:47pm#4851
Andreas,6or8willworkOK.Using8maysharethecurrentalittlemoreandthereforenotheatupsomuch.Reg,thetemperatureoftheMOSFETswilldependon
thecurrentflowingandthefrequency.Ifthefrequencyandcurrentisquitehigh,itisnormalforthemtoheatup.Tryusingalargerheatsink,orMOSFETswitha
lowerdrainsourceresistance.
thanksforyouransweriusemosfetirf540,use36Vpowersupplyandseparate12Vsupplyforvgs10+10turnsworkcoilwith680nFcapacitor1000V,L22O
turnsitisgood?
Seethecalculationspostedbykevininpost4817.Witha36VinputandIRF540transistoryouarelikelytoblowthetransistors.Asshowninthearticleour30V
inputwascausingittopushclosetothelimitsofthetransistorsused.
ok,iwilltry25voltspowersupplyandgreaterheatsink,thankyouforyourfastanswerbye...
regTuesday,11thSeptember20125:18pm#4856
hello,doyouknowwhatithappenifthegatesbecomeslessthan12V?
NicollasWednesday,12thSeptember20127:20pm#4857
Iamverypleasedwiththeoutcomeofmyinductionheater.aftermanyfailedattemptsImanagedtosolvetheproblemandnowitworksfine.Thankyouallfor
thehelp.
WaheedThursday,13thSeptember201212:11pm#4858
Thanksforusefulinformation.MycircuitconsistsofIRF3710,5x330nF/100Vcaps,4Turnsof3mmODtubingat12V.Draws4Amps.Trieditonhighervoltage
using7812butdidntworknooscillation.Removed7812butwithalargeobjectincoilthecurrentshootsupuncontrollably,burningFETs.Whatcouldbethe
reason.Thanks
WaheedThursday,13thSeptember201212:13pm#4859
Justwantedtoshowthewaveforms.
RMCyberneticsThursday,13thSeptember20122:00pm#4860
reg,ifthegatesarenotswitchedonwithahighenoughvoltage,thetransistorswillheatupsignificantly.Waheed,addingalargeobjectinthecoilwillincrease
currentdemandalot.ifyouwanttolimitthecurrent,useabiggerchoke(L2).
AamerFriday,14thSeptember20126:17pm#4861
ForthechokeL2,canastraightferritebarbeusedinsteadoftoroidalcore?Forthecapacitorbank,isitOKtouse28x68nF(400V)?
AamerMonday,17thSeptember20122:47pm#4862
HereistheworkcoilwhichIhavedesignedformyapplication.IwouldliketoknowhowshallIjointhetwoends
encircledinredcolorforcontinuousflowofcoolingwater?DoIneedtobrazethemwithbrassorsimplyconnectthem
withPVCtube?
RMCyberneticsTuesday,18thSeptember20126:00pm#4864
Astraightbarisok,butwillneedmoreturnscomparedtoatoroid.Thosecapsshouldbeokaslongastheyarecapableofwithstandinglargecurrentsandhigh
temperatures.YoucanjustlinktheendsusingsomePVCpipeaslongasthecopperisconnectedtogethertoo.
DanielWednesday,19thSeptember20124:09pm#4870
HiIwouldliketomakeonethatisabout500WPartsIhaveused:IRFP4768transistor1N4007diodes240ohm
resistor12turnworkcoil7x0,15uF(totalof1,07uF)lowESRcapacitors.About2mHchokeThepowersupplyisa10A
30Vlabsupply.Iusequiteabigcapacitorbankontheoutputofthepowersupplytohelpitcopewiththecurrent
surges.TheproblemisthatwhenIcrankupthevoltagethetransistorgetswormandshortsout(drain/source)I
suspectithassomethingtodowiththehairycoilsincewave(bluetrace)?Icannotfigureouthowtogetridofthat
noice,soiwouldreallyappreciateanyhelpIcangetonthesubject.Itriedmounting12Vzenerdiodestoprotectthe
gatebuthaven'tdaredturningupthevoltageagainwhilethehairysinewaveisstillthere.Iamonmylastsetof
transistors.Thankyouforsharingsutchagoodprojectwithus,andhelpingusallout.
DanielWednesday,19thSeptember20124:10pm#4871
Hereisapictureofthesetup,Ididnothavemygoodcamerahere,soIcantakeabetterpicturelaterifthathelps.
Tryusingamuchmuchbiggerchoke,andregulatingthevoltageusedtofeedthegates.Makesurethesupplytothegatesiswellregulatedandfiltered.
grantSunday,23rdSeptember201210:41pm#4879
wheredidyougettheradiatorfrom?
SteveMonday,24thSeptember20123:05pm#4880
Whatvoltageshouldthe2ufcapacitorberatedfor?15Vor90V?
RMCyberneticsMonday,24thSeptember201210:15pm#4881
Grant,TheradiatorisamodifiedCPUcoolerfromacomputer.IthinkthisonecamefromanoldDELLPC.
Steve,Thevoltageriseinthecircuitwillbeabout3.14timesyourinputvoltage.Butyourcapacitorsvoltageratingshouldbesignificantlylargersothattheyare
notbeingpushedtotheirlimits.Iwouldsuggestusingoneratedforatleast6timesyourinputvoltage.
AndreasMonday,24thSeptember201211:14pm#4882
Hi.IbuildtaInductionheater.Iusedthesamecomponentsasyou,soyouknowthespecsoffthetransistors,capasitors,voltageregulator,resistorsanddiodes.
Myinductionheaterwillnotheatanythingandthetransistorsheatupreallyfast?Theyaremountetonheatsinks...whatcanbewronghere?Mycoilismaked
frombrakelines,ihaveallsotriedwhitmutchthinerwiers...Wouldithelpifiuploadedapicture?
RMCyberneticsTuesday,25thSeptember201212:16am#4883
Arebrakelinesstainlesssteel?Thathasahighresistance,asdothinwires.Youneedtousethickcableorpipethatishighlyconductive.
AndreasTuesday,25thSeptember201211:46pm#4885
Thewireiusedvasabout1,5mm2...doyouthinkthat`stheproblem?
AamerFriday,28thSeptember201210:08am#4886
Justtohaveeverythinginperfectorder,hereisthechokewhichImadewith2mm,SWGno.14copperenameled
wire.IsitOK?The28x68nFcapacitorswhichIhavemountedattheendoftheworkcoilareMYLARcapacitorsrated
400Vbuttheyaresmallsizeabout12mmx8mmx3mm.IwonderiftheywoulddothejoborshouldIreplacethem.
Looksok.Youcantrythecapsyouhavebuttheymayoverheatquiteeasily.
AndreasFriday,28thSeptember201211:21pm#4888
hi,cananyoneseeanythingwrongwhitthissetup?thisismysecondinductor,butiamhavingtheexactsame
problem...mosfetsaregettingrealhotrealfast?anyideas?
RMCyberneticsSaturday,29thSeptember20121:09pm#4889
Looksok,butdontletyourheatsinkstouchtogetheroryouwilljustbecausingashortcircuit.Fitacapacitortotheoutputofyourregulatortoo,thatwillhelp
smoothoutanynoisypowerline.Somethinglike330uFormore.
DanielSaturday,29thSeptember20122:01pm#4890
HiIhavetrieddifferentsizeinductorsforL2anditdosn'treallyseemtodoanydifferenceforthehighfrequencythatissuperimposedonthesinewawe.The
biggestinductorItriedwasabout40mH,ThevoltageintheLCcircuitwentdown,butotherthanthattherewaslittledifference.Ialsohaveproblemswiththe
voltagespikeinthebeginningofthesinewawebeingaboutdoublethevoltageofthetopofthesine.
AndreasMonday,1stOctober20128:59pm#4891
Icantgetthistowork...thenonoftheconectionsorheatsinksaretouching.Hereisapicturethewiering,arethe
diodestherightway,haveisolderesthemtotherightlegsonthetransistors?
RMCyberneticsMonday,1stOctober20129:59pm#4892
Daniel,Andreas,
Makesurethesupplytotheresistorsisregulatedandsmoothedwithacapacitor.
Checkthatyoursupplyiscapableofprovidingthepeakcurrentdemandedbyyourcoil.
Decouplethesupplytothegatesbyplacingacapacitorfrom12VtoGNDwhilekeepingtheconnectionsasshortaspossible.
Placea12to15VzenerdiodebetweenthegateandsourceofeachMOSFET(cathodetothegate).Thiscanhelpreducenoiseandprotectsthetransistors.
AamerThursday,4thOctober20127:18pm#4894
Ihaveassembledthepartslistedbelowasshowninthephoto:MOSFETSTP30NF102PcswithHeatsinksDIODES
1N40072PcsCAPACITORS330nx6(1250v)RESISTORS240OhmsCHOKEL2SWG14(2mm)CopperWire8
turnsPSU12V30Aregulated,smoothedIswitchedONthePSUforafewseconds,theMOSFETM1inthephoto
startedgettinghotso,IswitchedOFF.Needyourfurtherassistance,please.Onething,thePSUisconnectedthru
50cmwires.
RMCyberneticsFriday,5thOctober201211:34am#4895
Tryreplacingyourchokewithsomethingwithhugeinductancesothatpowerislimitedsignificantly.Youcanuseanordinarymainstransformerforthis.Justuse
anoutputwindingasthechoke.Ifitstillwontoscillate,makesureyoudon'thaveadudtransistorordiodesomewhere.
AamerFriday,5thOctober20123:52pm#4896
BeforereplacingthechokeIcheckedtheMOSFETsandfoundthatmyallthepinsofmyM1areshort.ForM2,whileconnectingthenegativeprobeofmultimeter
(ondiodecheckingmode)tothecenterpin(DRAIN)andthepositiveprobetotheleftpin(GATE)themultimeterbeepsforcontinuity.Andtouchingthepositive
probetotherightpin(SOURCE)themultimetershows490.Andifconnectingthepinsviceversathennocontinuity.IcanunderstandthatM1isbadbutnotsure
aboutaboutM2.Asforreplacingthechokewithanordinarytransformer,doyoumeanIcanusesecondarywindingofany220>3v,6v,9v,12vtransformer(less
than1Ampere)?
RMCyberneticsFriday,5thOctober20124:39pm#4897
YoushouldjustreplacebothMOSFETsinyourinductionheatertobesure.Yes,prettymuchanylowpowertransformerwillhaveenoughinductancetolimitthe
currenttoacoupleofampsorless.Itwillbeuselessforsignificantheating,butallowsyoutotestifitisoscilatingwithoutblowingcomponents.Youmayalsowant
toaddzenerprotectiontothetransistorgates.
FrankSaturday,6thOctober201212:59am#4901
Couplequestions.1.Obviouslyifyoupushthevoltageup,theMosfetgatemustbeprotectedwithareg,butwhereareyouputtingthatbecauseitappearsyou
areshortingthedrainandgate??2.Youmentionusingaltcapsforthis.WouldIneedthelowestESRcapspossible?IEpolyorfilm/foilcaps?3.Therewasa
questionaboveregardingtubingchoice.Itwouldseemthatcoppermightbebetterforthis.Isthataccurate?Whydidyouselectbrass?
RMCyberneticsSaturday,6thOctober20129:20am#4902
Seepost#4649foradiagramincludingaregulator.Yes,thecapacitorsinyourinductionheatermustbelowESRotherwiseresistancelosseswillsoonheatthem
todestruction.Yes,copperisbetterduetolowerresistance.Brasswasusedsimplybecasuewehadsomeavailableatthetime.I'vesincebuiltonewithcopper
whichIwillpostlater,butIdidnotseeanynoticableperformancedifferenceandtheheatercoilstillneededtobewatercooled.
PaulSaturday,6thOctober201211:06pm#4903
Hi,JustanexperimenterinelectronicsbutthinkIwillhavetotrythis!Twoquestions1)Iseepeoplegenerallyheatingironorsteel.Arethereothercommon
materialswhichmightheatevenmoreefffectivelyandisthereasimpleanswertopredictwhichmaterialswillheatwell(Iamguessinghighpermeativity,high
hysteresis?)2)Istheheatingeffectuniformthroughouttheinteriorofthecoil?Orisitconcentratedmoretowardsthecenterorperiphery?Letssayyouwere
tryingtoheatthewaterinthecoppertubing,wouldahollowmetaltubefittothediameterofthecoilwork?WellIguessthatismorethantwoquestions,Inany
eventthanksthislookslikeagreatproject.
RMCyberneticsSunday,7thOctober201212:25pm#4904
Ironbasedmetalsheatwellbecauseofhysteresislossesandconductionlosses.Metalslikecopperandaluminiumcanbemoredifficulttoheatpartlyduetohigher
conductivity.
Themagneticfieldisstrongestattheinsideedgeofthecoil.Theskineffectalsoforcesheatingtoconcentrateonthesurfaceofamaterial.
AamerMonday,8thOctober20123:02pm#4905
IhavereplacedtheMOSFETs.Andalsohavereplacedthechokewithalowpowertransformer.IdonothaveanoscilliscopesohowdoIknowifthecircuitis
oscillatingornot.
RMCyberneticsMonday,8thOctober20123:19pm#4906
Placesomethingmetalinthecoilandseeifitgetsanywarmer.
FrankMonday,8thOctober20125:47pm#4907
RM,Thanksforthereplyregardingthevoltagereg.Ididnoticethediagramwiththe7812butthoughtitwasimcompletebecausethedrainsofeachmosfetstill
feedbacktothegateoftheotherafterthevoltagereg.Iwaswonderingifthisshouldbedonewithtworegs,bothrightatthegateandafterthediodes?Justnot
surehowthisconfigurationwillwork?
Okay,IhavemadethetestreplacingthechokeL2withalowpowertransformer.Initially,theworkcoilbecamewarmerandwarmersoIcirculatedwaterinit.
FinallyIwasabletonoticethattheironrodinsidethecoilhasbecomewarm.However,whenIreplacedthetransformerwiththechokeL2,theMOSFETsbecame
hotquickly.Andnothinghappenedtotheironrodinsidetheworkcoil.Bytheway,Ihaven'tyetintroducedzenerprotectionforthetransistorgate.
RMCyberneticsTuesday,9thOctober20127:46pm#4909
Frank,Thediagramisok.Youshouldonlyuseoneregulator.Thewaytheconnectionsswitchonandoffthegatesisdescribedinthearticle.
Aamer,Showusyourworkcoilandironrod.
AamerTuesday,9thOctober20128:58pm#4910
Youcanseetheworkcoilatpostno.4862.Youcanseethecircuitatpostno.4894.Theironrodwasnotaparticularone.Itestedonanironnail,an8mmiron
rodand5mmrod.....allthreegotwarm.
Istillthinkyouneedabiggerchoke.Thehugeinductanceofthetransformerwindingisallowingittooscillate,soyoujustneedtofindtherightiinductancevalue
foryoursetup.Whenpoweringuptheinductionheater,Iwouldsuggestthatyoudosowithoutanymetalwithinthecoil,thenaddthemetalafter.
AamerWednesday,10thOctober20126:22pm#4912
DoyoumeanIshouldincreasethenumberofturnsinmychokeshowninpostno.4886?Howmanymoreturnsdoyousuggest?Howdowefindoutthe
matchingcoilsizeotherthanactualtrails?Bytheway,doeseverynewcircuitwebuild(withsameparts)needsdifferentchokesetting(inductance)?
Yes,IthinkyouwillneedtoexperimentwithwhatworksbestwithyourspecificPSUandheatingcoil.YoucouldalsotryusingaPowerPulseModulatorbetween
yourPSUandtheinductionheatercircuit.Thiswouldallowyoutovarythepowertotheheater.Youwoildsetthefrequencysettngtoalowvaluelike20Hz,then
youcanadjustthedutysettingfrom0to100%togiveyoua0to100%adjustmentinheatingpower.
paulSunday,14thOctober201210:12am#4917
Hi.Ididexactlyasinstructedhereandusedallthesamecomponentsbutminedoesntseemtowork.Onlyonemosfetgetsreallywarm.ThePSuwhichwas
initiallysetto15vand5ampsdropstobelow5voltsoncethecontrolcircuitisconnect.Anyideaonwhatseemstobetheproblem?ThePSUisratedat30Vand
10A.Thanks.
YourPSUisnotabletomeetthepeakcurrentdemanedbyyoursetup.Whenyoufirstconnectpower,therewillbeasurgeofcurrentwhichismostlylimitedby
yourchoke(L2).Useabiggerchoke,andaddsomelargecapacitorstoyourPSU.
IincreasedthesizeofchokeL2from8to9turns.Itincreasedtheamperesandblewoff30AfuseofmyPSU.Now,asperyoursuggestiontointroducePower
PulseModulator,Ihavejustfinishedthe"SQUAREWAVESIGNALGENERATORWITHPULSEMODULATION"formyInductionHeater.Iamconfusedhowwouldit
withstandheavyamperes.PleaseguidemehowshouldIuseitsothatIcantunemyInductionHeater.
SeethetroubleshootingsectionI'veaddedtotheendofthearticle.Youdon'ttuneyourinductionheater.Itautomaticallyworksattheresonantfrequency.The
linkIgaveyouistoaproductwhichwillallowyoutolimitandcontroltheinputpowersothatyoudonotblowyourtransistorswhiletestingit.Idon'tthinkadding
anotherDIYcircuitisgoingtohelpyou,asitjustincreasescomplexity.Adding1turntoyourchokeisgoingtomakelittledifference.Addsomethinglike20turns.
Ireallydonotthinkthereisanythingelselefttosuggesttoyou.Ifyouarefollowingthearticleandalltheadvice,butitisstillnotworking,thenyoumusthave
faultyparts,wrongconnections,oraPSUthatisnotuptothejob.
AllenSaturday,20thOctober201211:42am#4922
Sinceyouguyshaveabitmoreexperiencethenmyselfwithinductionheatingdevices,IwantedtoaskhowwellmightanMTY100N10ENch.Mosfetworkforan
inductionheatingapplicationasfarasthedrivetransistors?Thistransistorisratedfor100A@100vtheonresistanceisquitelowaswell@0.011ohms,theonly
thingIseethatisquitedifferentfromtherecommendedtransistorpair,istheswitchingtimes(rise/fall)arequiteabithigher,butIsuspectthattobenormalfor
suchhighcurrentspossibly?I'dliketogetsomefeedbackfromsomeonewithabitmoreexperiencetoseeifIcanusethesetransistorsformyinductionheating
tests.I'minterestedinheatingabitlargerobjectsandabitfaster.ThanksAllen
RMCyberneticsSaturday,20thOctober201212:10pm#4923
WhileIcan'tcommentoneveryindividualtransistormodelanyonemightuse,Icansuggestthatifyouuseonewithlongerrise/falltimes,youcouldcompensate
byusingalargercapacitancetolowertheresonantfrequencyofthesystem.
AllenSaturday,20thOctober20127:41pm#4924
Istherearatioofrise/falltimestocapacitancevalues?I'mcurioustoknowthemathematicsbehindthecircuit.
RMCyberneticsSaturday,20thOctober20128:44pm#4925
Itonlybecomesanissueiftherise/falltimesareasignificantvaluecomparedtotheperiodoftheoperatingfrequencyofthecircuit.Thetransistorsareswitching
whenthevoltage(betweensourceanddrain)isalmostzero.Justworkoutwhattheswitchingtimeisasapercentageoftheperiod.Byminimisingthisvalue,the
switchinglossesarereduced.Inthiscircuityouwouldprobablybemoreconcenedwithconductionlossesduetohighcurrentsunlessyouneedittooperateat
someveryhighfrequencyforsomereason.
JoeMonday,22ndOctober20129:49am#4927
Hi...Ihavebeenlookingforacircuitlikethiswitastraightforwardexplanation..KudosRMCybernetics.Willthecaps
(pictured)workwiththisproject..003uF4Kv(302K4M)Iamseeinginmycalculationsthatmyprojectwillresonate
near400Khz.AndifIamright,notanengineer,wouldmeanIcanheatlargerobjects.
RMCyberneticsMonday,22ndOctober20121:42pm#4928
Notheywont.Thatlookslikeapolystyrenecapacitorandjudgingbythethicknessofthewires,itisnotmeantforhighcurrents.Youneedtousepolypropylene
capacitorsoranequivalentthatisspecificallymadeforhighcurrents.Forlargerobjectsyouneedmorepower.
JoeMonday,22ndOctober20127:02pm#4930
Thankyou,Ihadguessedtheywerentgoingtowork..wantedtoaskbeforeIreleasedthemagicsmokeoutofthem
JoeTuesday,23rdOctober20128:07pm#4931
Lastquestion:Whatis,ifany,thedifferencebetweenpolypropyleneandmylarcaps?
Thislinkshouldanswerthatforyou.
AamerThursday,25thOctober201210:07am#4933
GooddayRichard.....Appreciateyourdevotiontoguideothers.Justforreference,IpostedmyWorkCoildesignat#4862andthechokeat#4886.Ihadtoreplace
onefaultySTP40NF10withIRFP150.NowmycircuitisoscillatingwithSTP40NF10+IRFP150butthetrialload(4mmironnail)onlygetswarm.Asperyour
advice,Iredesignedmychokewith20turnsof2mmwireandthenreducedgradually18,16,14,12,11,10,9,8,7,6,5turnsbutnosignificantchange.
However,at9876turnstheloadgotwarmer+theSTP40NF10dispersedmoreheat.Bytheway,Iinsertedtheloadfor510seconds.
AamerThursday,25thOctober201210:16am#4934
Anotherquestion:IwanttounderstandthebehaviorofthiscircuitandhenceplantosimulateitinLTspice.HowshouldIcheckifmysimulationiscorrect......I
meantosay,atwhatpointsIshouldcheckforthewaveformsandwhattypeofwaveforms?
RMCyberneticsThursday,25thOctober20121:43pm#4935
Youshouldallowmoretimeforyourloadtoheatup.I'veaddedaspicesimulationtothearticlejustabovethetroubleshootingsection.TheSTP40NF10wasnotin
thelibrarysoIjustchosesomethingelseinthelibrary.Runthesimulationthencheckoutthecollectorwaveformsandinductorcurrent.Thesimulationdoesnot
includeanyload,butyoucanaddthisifyouwish.I'mnotheretoanswerquestionsonhowtouseLTSpicethough.
Aspermyresultsonvariousturnsofthechoke,theintensityofheat(asIfelt)wasalmostthesame.Ofcourse,keepingtheloadformoretimewillmakeithot.
But,pardonme,mytrialloadisnotthickerthanthescrewdrivershowninyourarticle,whichturnedredhotinjust5seconds.
YouareusingdifferentcomponentsandsomekindofDIYpowersupply.Youwillofcoursenotgetthesameresults.
Thanksforyourswiftresponse.Okay,IshallchangetheSTP40NF10toIRFP150andthenretrywithmyexistingPSUwhichisfunctioningquiteOK.But,Ishall
definitelynotignoreyourtiptochangethePSU.Bytheway,whatdosayaboutthe12V30ASMPS,willitbeOK??Yournetlistcouldnotbesimulatedbecause
LTspiceisgivinganerror"MultipleinstancesofFlag".Wouldyoupleasecheckit.Thanksforyourattention.
Lol,thespicefileisfine,Ireallydon'tknowwhatyoumustbedoing.Youwillneedahigherinputvoltagethan12Vtogetheatinglikeshowninthevideo(Iused
30V).Haveyoualsoconsideredthatyourcapacitorsmaybedamaged,orjustnotuptothejob?
AamerFriday,26thOctober201212:08pm#4940
Ihavelimitedknowledge/experienceofelectronics.Iamsimplyfollowingtheinstructionsaswelltheexperienceofotherfellows.Iknewyouused30v10A.But
youalsoconfirmedinpost#4698thatthecircuitwillworkwith12v30APSU,andBobwassuccessful(post#4894).Anyway,Icanincreasethevoltageto24V
at30A,willitbeOK?Asfarasthecapacitorsareconcerned,frankly,whenthecircuitisoscillating,Iunderstoodthatthecapsareworkingfine.Iwilltryagainwith
24v,ifunsuccessfulthenwillcheckthecaps.Irenamedthespicefileextensionto"*.cir"andopeneditinLTspiceandthenclickedRUNicon.IfyouthinkIam
wrong,canyouprovidethe"*.asc"file???Lastly,thanksforyourguidance.
NicollasSunday,28thOctober20121:07am#4941
Thisistheresultobtainedbyme.wasverygoodandoscillatesatfrequencyof75kHz.ThanksforthehelpRMcyberneticsandfriends.
CharlesSunday,28thOctober20122:12am#4942
>>>>twoquestions<<<<1.Inawatercooledinstallationwouldonestillneedbrassinductioncoilsinsteadofplaincoppertubing?2.Iseewherethecoil
configurationcanbemodified.Sofortemperingknivesonecouldhaveaneggshapedcoilallowing1/4"clearancesonall4sides.Correct?...thankyouchas.ps.
greatsite.
Aamer,Itisalreadyanascfile.Idon'tknowwhyyourenamedit.Yes12Vwillworkbutofcourselesspowerfulthan30V.Asmentionedmultipletimes,the
capacitorsneedtobequalitypolypropyleneorequivalent.Itmayoscillatewhenusingothercaps,buttheperformancewillbepoor.Iftheyaredamagedbyvoltage
spikes,thatwillalsopreventproperoperation.
Nicollas,Thanksforsharing.Nicebuildquality.
Charles,pleasereadthroughtheothercomments.Asmentionedalready,brasswasonlyusedbecauseitwasavailableatthetime.Copperpipewouldbebetter.
Yesyoucanusewhatevercoilshapeyoulike.Howevertheheatingeffectmaynotexactlymatchtheshapeasthemagneticinteractionsandshapeoftheobject
willdominatetheeffect.
adTuesday,30thOctober201210:20am#4944
Helloibuildyouheater,anditworksok....Nowiwantmorepower....butihavonequestion...IfiusebiggerFET's/IGBT,upto600vand150A(MG150Q2YS40)..
Canisusethesamediodestothegate,ithinkthepoweroverthegateswillbemorethan20volts....
RMCyberneticsTuesday,30thOctober201211:13am#4945
YoucannotjustreplacethetransistorswithpowerIGBTs.Thesaturationvoltageofthetransistorswouldbetoohigh,preventingproperswitchingasexplainedin
thearticle.Adifferentandmorecomplexcircuitwouldbeneeded.
AamerTuesday,30thOctober20122:14pm#4946
HiRichard.(1)ThelinkforsimulationopensNETLISTinanotherwindowwhichdeceivedmethatyouareprovidingnetlistinsteadofascfile.Anyway,Ihave
openedyourascfileandcomparedwithminewhichwasn'tsimulating.Themaindifferencewasthatyouused2powersupplies.Nowmysimulationresultsare
sameasyours.(2)Inthesimulation,Inoticedthatthecircuit(exceptthecapacitorsandinductors)isdrawinglessthan1Amp.So,Iphysicallyconnected12v2A
supplytotheMOSFETsand12V30Atothechoke.Nooscillation,oneMOSFETburnt.MaybenooscillationbecauseMOSFETburnt.AmIwrongsomewhere?Iplan
touse24v30Aforthechokeand12v2AfortheMOSFETs.(3)MosfetsIRFP150+6x330nPolypropyleneCapsstilloscillatingat12v30A(butnotredhot).Shall
Iuse24v30Asupplyandadd7812fortheMOSFETs?
Thelinkisdirectlytoanascfile.Youcanclicktoviewit,orrightclickandsaveittoyourcomputer.
Thesimulationdoesnotincludeanyloadandisnotaccountingforthelossesinthesystemwhichiswhyitonlydrawsalowcurrent.Youshouldobservethe
voltageonthe30Vsupply.Duringthefirstmomentsitwilldropverylowwhichcouldpreventoscilationinasinglesupplysystemifnotaccountedfor.Youshould
alsoconsidertheinitialvoltagespikeasthiscouldblowanyofyourcomponents.Trythissimulation.ItwillnotoscilatebecasuethePSUhastoomuchinternal
resistance.Runit,youwillonlyseeDC,thenaltertheresistancetosomethinglowerandyouwillseeitbeginstooscilate.
Yes,addtheregulatorandzenersassuggested.
AamerWednesday,31stOctober20127:30am#4951
Thanksforyourswiftresponse.(1)Okay,Ishallchangeto24V30A+7812butforthesakeoflearning,Iwanttounderstandwhymycircuitdidnotworkedwith
2powersupplies?(2)Thesimulationhelpedmealot.Thanksforthenewersimulationwithsinglesupply.Forload,IcoupledanotherinductorL3(1uH)toL1/L1b
andconnectedaloadinparalleltoL3.Themaximumreadings(duringtheinitialspike)Igotwith200Ohms......Vatdrain200V,Iatdrain24A,Vatgate14V,Iat
gate<1A.Sohowaboutchangingthemosfetsto300V/35Atoensureprotectionagainsttheinitialspike?
RMCyberneticsWednesday,31stOctober20129:34am#4953
Yes,useasingle24Vsupplyandregulatorforthegates.Whenusingtwosupplies,didyoucreateacommonground?YoucouldchangetheMOSFETsifyoulike,
justchoosegoodoneswithlowresistanceandhighspeed.
adWednesday,31stOctober20129:47am#4954
Okaythankforthereply..
adWednesday,31stOctober20129:50am#4955
Ifiuseafetswhohasavoltageof600and50Amps,caniuseitfromthenetafterreverseitfrom220volttoDC,theIN4007andcapsareupto1000
volt...BUTwhatwilhappentothegatepowerofthefets...?
AamerWednesday,31stOctober201211:23am#4956
Thanksforyourusualpromptresponse.(1)Yes,IhadacommongroundwhenIused2supplies.(2)SochangingtheMOSFETstohigherratedvoltagecan
withstandtheinitialspike?
RMCyberneticsWednesday,31stOctober20121:48pm#4957
WelltheSTP30NF10usedheredoesfineevenwith30Vinputifyouhavearegulatorandzenerprotectiononthegates,butyoucantryothertransistorsifyou
want.
AamerWednesday,31stOctober20123:05pm#4958
(1)Noted.(2)Anycommentswhydidn'tmycircuitworkedwithtwosupplies?
RMCyberneticsWednesday,31stOctober20123:42pm#4959
There'snothingelseIcansuggest.
adWednesday,31stOctober20127:09pm#4960
IusedHFR3205,anditworksgood.....whatkindofregulatorandzeneryoumaenorthinkispossible.....canyoumakeaschematic....thanks
adThursday,1stNovember201211:03am#4961
thisismine.....nowwantmorepower!!
RMCyberneticsThursday,1stNovember201211:10am#4962
Looksnice.DIdyouetchyourownPCB?YoumaywanttoreinforcethePCBtracesfromthecapsthoughastheywillbecarryingalotofcurrent.Youcanseethe
regulatordiagraminpost4649.Thezenerswouldjustgobetweenthegateandsourcewiththecathodetothegate
CharlesThursday,1stNovember201211:20am#4963
Iowna12volt,5.5ampdcpowersupply.Iwouldlikeaninductionfurnacethatcouldheat25mmroundorsquarestock.Isthispowersupplysufficientto
accomplishthis...62yearsagoIfelloffthe'WheatstoneBridge'incollege..hencemyneedforassistance.thankyou.
Itwouldheatit,butIwouldnotcallitafurnace.Youmayevenstruggletogetitredhot.Oncesuchalargeloadisplacedinthecoil,thecurrentdrawwillrise
significantly,andquiteprobablyneedmorethan5.5A.Wewillhoweverpostanewprojectinfuturewhichallowsforhigherpowerlevels.
adThursday,1stNovember201212:44pm#4965
theotherside.....usedalotofsoldertin:)
adThursday,1stNovember20121:03pm#4966
oneproblemifirectify230voltstraightfromthenet(its230x1,44)itwillbe330voltDCasimpleregulator(7812)willgotomax30volts...andhowmuchvolt
wiltherebeonthediodes...?
RMCyberneticsThursday,1stNovember20121:11pm#4967
Youcan'tusethiscircuitatthosevoltages.Youwouldneedadifferent,morecomplexsetupwhichisbeyondthescopeofthisarticle.
MikeFriday,2ndNovember201211:32am#4968
@#4966:Whydoyouwanttouse230Vac?Itisallaboutamperesforinductionheatingandhighfrequenciestostimulatehysteresisintheworkpiece.WhenXc
andXl(reactanceofcapacitanceandsolenoid)arethesameyouareinresonanceandthecircuitactsasashort(forthisparallelcircuititdoes).Soifyouwould
have0.4Ohmresistanceonthecopperwires,youwouldhave330/0.4=825Ampereswith250Vacrectified.Whynottakinga12voltpowersupplyinstead?
Thenyouwouldhave30amps.Thatisquietealot.Ortakea24vpowersupplyandyouwouldhave~60Amps!!
CharlesFriday,2ndNovember201212:24pm#4969
Justobtained24vdc,15amppowersupply....Pleasefurnishmewiththetypeandnumberoftorroidcoils(L2)yourecommendandselltomaxthispowersupply.
Andthesize,number,voltageandtypeofcapsIwillneed,andthetwotransistors(T1&T2),yousell....Iwillwant4ZenerDiodes,plus6resistors(R1&R2)..
..Ihavetheheatsinksforthetransistorsandforthecaps.IassumetheVoltageReg(7802?)isreadilyavailablelocally....Iwouldappreciatethematerialcosts
andtheshippingtozipcode59711,USA.Iwouldbestlikeanemailinresponcetoanynecessaryquestionsregardingthisrequest....Thankyou,charlie.
RMCyberneticsSaturday,3rdNovember20126:30pm#4970
Linkstoalltheavailablepartsareinthearticle.Ifyouaddthemtoyourbasket,youcangetashippingpricecalculatedautomatically.
NicollasSaturday,3rdNovember20127:29pm#4971
Iwonderifthiscircuitcanoperatewithavoltageof220volts?IknowI'llhavetochangethecomponents,butIwonderifthecircuitiscapableswitchingathigher
voltages.Ineedheatabilletsteel15mmindiameter.
AamerMonday,12thNovember20126:18pm#4975
Goodday!(1)Aftermanyfailures,Idecidedtostartalloveragain.Imadeanewworkcoilwith2mmsolidcopperwire5+5turns.ForchokeIused1mmwire,16
18turns.ForMOSFETs12v2AsupplyandforCHOKE19v4A(laptop)supply.Thecombinationworkednicely,thesamplegotveryhotinjust35seconds(notred
hotbecauseofonly4Asupply).(2)Theresultsencouragedme,ImadeanotherW/coilfrom4.7mmouterdia/2.7mminnerdiacoppertubing.Istartedwith3+3
turnsandcoilshaperoundunliketheoneshowninpostno.4862.Powersuppliesremainedasabove.Theloadremainedcoolandthew/coilbecamewarm
withoutwatercirculation.Modifiedtheturnsof1mmwirechokeNoimprovements.Changedthechoketo2mmwire78turnsNoimprovements,
additionallytheMOSFETSarebecomingprettywarm.
AamerMonday,12thNovember20129:00pm#4976
(1)Failureofmyovalshapedworkcoilleadsmetomake2circuitswhichIhavetousesimultaneously.DoIhavetoarrangeseparatePSUsforchokesinboth
circuit?(2)Willtherebesomesortofelectrolysiseffectifthecoolingwaterfromoneworkcoilflowsintotheother?(3)Isthereanywaywhichcanindicate
resonance....somethinglikeanLEDoraneonbulb?
MiiYetiSaturday,17thNovember201210:15pm#4978
HiIwouldliketoknowifitispossibletousetwo2n3055transistorsThanksMiiYeti
RMCyberneticsMonday,19thNovember201210:40am#4980
Aslongasthewaterisnotcontaminatedwithsignificantamountsofelectrolyte(likeinsaltwater),thenthelengthoftubingshouldmakethetotalresistanceso
highthatanycurrentflowinginthewaterwouldbeneglegable.
2n3055isnotsuitable.UsetheMOSFETsmentionedinthearticle.
MiiTuesday,20thNovember20124:23am#4981
Thankyouforyourhelpandtime.
MikeSunday,25thNovember201210:11am#4983
Howisitpossiblethattheapplied12VgsontheMOSFETsgatescausea90Vpkpkonthescope?ImeanVdswillneverbehigherthanVgs,right?But(90Vpkpk)
/2=45Vmax.45Vmax/SQRT(2)=31.8Vrms.Where31.8Vrmsequals~theinputvoltageof30VfromthePSU.HowcanyoueverreachaVrmshigherthan
theappliedVgsontheMOSFETs.PleasedoexplainasIwantedtouseapowersupplyof45Vrmstocrankupthepower!
RMCyberneticsSunday,25thNovember201211:57am#4985
VgsdoesnotdetermineVdswhenthegateissaturated(suchasabove10V).Thevoltageappliedtothegatehereis12V,butthevoltagefromthesupplyforthe
restofthecircuitis30V.Whena'TankCircuit'(inductorandcapacitorinparallel)ispulsed,itwillresonateatitsfundamentalfrequency.IftheQfactorofthe
circuitisgoodenough(therearenotsignificantlossesthroughresistanceetc),thentherewillbearesonantvoltageriseinthecircuit.Thepeakvoltageherewill
beaboutpixinputvoltagewhichiswhywegetabout90Vfrom30Vinput.
ThepoweractuallybuildsupintheLCtankcircuit.Oncerunning,thecurrentdrawnfromthesupplywillbelessthanwhatisactuallyflowingintheinduction
heatercircuit.Trythesimulationinthearticletoseethis.
farhadSaturday,1stDecember20129:20pm#4986
hi,Ibuilditbyirf3205VDSS=55Vanditworkgoodat10vpowermycoildiameteris6cmand330n
capacitoritresonantat150KHzbutnothotIaskyoutoexplanwhyweusechokewhatisthefunctionof
chokeexactly?andwhyinsimulationinvoltage4Vdiodandmosfetswitch?ieliminateL2andpower2in
simulationandseeitresonantandvoltagebeinguppersecondwhy?whatisthefunctionofresistanse(its
effectonspeedofstartingresonant)?whyfrefuensyisnotegualto1/2*pi(L*C)^0.5?
JosephSunday,2ndDecember20121:23pm#4987
Ihaveorderedthepartstospec'sintheartical,andwhilewaitingreadthearticalandcommentsseveraltimesover.Ihaveamuchbetterunderstandingofthe
processnow,butafewquestionsremains.WiththeoldcpsIamusing(310w)Ihavea12+outputratedtomax18amps.Iplantoconnectthistoboththechoke
andmosfetinputs.Willthisvoltageseverlylimittheworkcoilsheating?Also,sinceitisacpsandliklyalreadyregulater,willIstillneedtoconsiderthelm4812
mentionedinthecommentssection?Pastandfuturethanks!
RMCyberneticsSunday,2ndDecember20123:21pm#4988
Farhad,ThechokeintheinductionheateristoseparatethehighfrequencyoscillationsfromthePSU,andtolimitthecurrentflow.Thisalsohelpsensureyouget
agoodsinewaveoutput.Whenoscillatingwell,thefrequencyshouldbeprettycloseto1/2pi*sqrt(LC)whereListhecombinedinductanceofthetwohalvesofthe
coil.Addingaloadwillalsoalterthis.ThesimulationdoesnottakeintoaccountmanyfactorssuchasthespecificsofyourPSU,orparasiticcomponents.
Joseph,Yes12Vwilllimitthepower.Youmaynotneedtheadditionalregulator,butIwouldrecommenditasithelpsprotectyourtransistorgatesandensure
smoothoperation.
JosephSunday,2ndDecember20124:20pm#4989
Powerlimitation,bummer...Consideringthepsuhasboth12+/outputseachratedtothe18ampmax,could+gotothechoke,andtothemosfets?Thus
possiblyresolvingsomeofthelimitationofdividingonlyone12vsource?(fyiiamanoviceifthequestionsdontdoenoughtosignalsuch):)
trevorbMonday,3rdDecember20121:47am#4990
RMCTryingtomakeabladeheaterusingpancakecoils.IsimulatedwithLTSpiceandthiscalculator.
http://deepfriedneon.com/tesla_f_calcspiral.htmlIhavelittleelectronicsexperience.Ihavea15v10APowerSupply
anditisgoinglowat1.5Vwhenturningonthecircuit.Iamusing100V35ATO220nchannelmosfets,1N4007
Diodes,2.8microHenrychoke,240ohmresistor.Thepancakecoilsare11.2microhenryperthecalculator.Ihave
triedtoaddseveralchokesinseriesandhavetriedtoadd.6microfaradcapacitoratthe15voltsupply.Iwould
appreciateanyadvicetogetthistooscillate.
RMCyberneticsMonday,3rdDecember20129:36am#4991
Joseph,Ifithas+12Vand12Vthenjustusethe12VasyourGNDconnection.Thisgivesyoua24Vsupply.
Trevorb,Biggerchoke. I'veused500uHinthesimulation.2.8uHiswaytoosmall.Pleasereadthroughtheothercommentsandtroubleshootingsection
carefully.Ihavementionedthismultipletimes.
JosephTuesday,4thDecember20122:18am#4993
yourright,becausethedifferenceof24v...butwillthatbeevenlydistributedbetweenthetwo+vinputsifIjustuseaysplitter?Orinthiscase,postofthey
split,shouldtherebetwolm4812's,regulatingeachinput(chokeandmosfets)?Also,anycleverideasonwhereonemightscroungeupapropertoridalcore?I
foundnoblankscoresintheshopIsentfortheprojectsotherparts.Asyoumentioned,aboltwithmanymorewindswouldwork,butimattractedtotheelegant
optionofthetorid.Formandfunction.Thanks!
Justusethe12VinthesamewayasGNDisusedinthediagrams.Itwillworkjustfine.Youdon'tneedtotreatitanydifferentlythananordinary24Vsupply.
Youcanfindtorroidalcoresinsideoldamplifiersorcomputerpowersupplys.
JosephTuesday,4thDecember20125:41pm#4995
SoundadviceRMCwillbebuildingsoon.ForthecoreIspenton3compressedhighcarbonsteelmachinewashers(5/8")whichwereveryferrous.Willcombine
these,thencoatwithinsulationofsomeform.Shouldbeanicesubstitutefornothavinganydevicestoscavenge.Hopetoshareresultsinafewweeks.Kudoson
thearticleandcommentmaintenance!
JosephSaturday,8thDecember20122:50pm#4996
Couldn'tsleeplastnightsoIcoldforgedtheworkcoilfrom3/8"(9.54mm)solidcorecopperwire.Shouldtherebeconcernontheproximityofthechokeand
workcoilscausinginterferencewitheachother?Thisphotoisamocksetupwiththechokecorebeneaththerailsoftheworkcoil.
http://www.instructables.com/files/deriv/F91/ZX4X/HA4LGE2K/F91ZX4XHA4LGE2K.MEDIUM.jpg
TrevorbTuesday,11thDecember20125:59pm#4997
BLADEHEATERPANCAKECOILUPDATETriedbiggerchokesincluding500uH,1mhenry,andbothinseries,alsowoundmyownwith40turnthickmagnetwire
onareallylarge(est4inchodx.5inchthickferitetorroid).Ihavetriedallcombinationsoftheaboveinductorsinseriesbeforebranchingtotheworkcoils.Also
triedeachinductorindividually.Ihaveaddedcapacitorsonthepowersupplyandamplacingthechokecoilonthe+15Vsupplytoabruptlyswitchiton.I
disassembleddiodesandtheytestedokandidenticaltounusedones.Changedoutandcheckedmosfetbychargingthegatewithamultimeterindiodemodeand
watchingthevoltagechangeslightlywhendischarginggatetoground.Voltageacrosspowersupplyterminalswas1.5voltwiththelowerresistancechokes,but
rosetoabout3voltswiththe500uHchokewiththethinwire(ratedforonlyafewamps).Stillnooscilationthepancakeworkcoils(Iamnotreadinganrms
voltagefromcoilstogroundwhenL2touches+15V).Powersupplyratedat15V10amps.FETSandsmallerdiameterL2wireheatingupIthinkIamgetting10
amps.NotsureifMOSFETSareoff.Iammeasuringabout1.4voltsatgatesregardlessofwhetherL2isincontactwith+15Vfornotwithpowersupplyon.NoAC
voltagemeasuredafterasplitsecondaftertouchingL2to+15V,butlotsofactivityonthelcddisplayofthemultimeterforasplitsecond.Ihaveagoodspark
madewhentouchingL2to+15V.Anyotheradvicetotryandgetthistooscillatewouldbegreatlyappreciated.
TrevorbWednesday,12thDecember20122:14pm#4998
Addedpictureofsetup
maharThursday,13thDecember20125:54pm#4999
hi,canyoupleaseexplainhowthevoltageofcapasitorgoupto3*Vin?
JosephFriday,14thDecember20124:01am#5001
Inlightofblowingupmyonlypowersupply(becausemychokewastoosmall?)Idecidedtoseeifanyoneherewants
totakeonwhatIhavebuilt.IwouldchargebasicallyhalfofwhatIpaidforpartsplusshipping.Iwouldgofurtheron
thiskit,butintheprocessofthePSburningIgotanextremelyhighvoltageshock.Abitdeterredtosaytheleast.I
canalmostguaranteallpartsaresound.Nothinghadtimetoevenheatup,asthePSfriedimmediatelyafter
connectingpower.Sure,Icouldaskquestionafterquestiononheretofiguretheproblem,butnoneedformynovice
tobeanucence.Iwouldrathershare.
JosephMonday,24thDecember20125:17am#5002
[considerremovingposting#5001duetohavingredelvedintotheproject]Eureka!Finallydiscoveredapowersupplythatworks.Iwonderwhichwouldbebest
forthepostpsuelect.capacitorstosmoothaddingtheload1680uf200v,or22200uf50vinparralel,or62.4F4.7vsupercapsinseries=2.5F28.2v...?
JosephMonday,31stDecember20125:55pm#5005
ThankstoRMCyber.forsharingthistutorial.Aftermanytroublesproblemsweresolved.Thehousingisforashot
nichromeACwaxcarver.TheTransformerremained,andthenewcomponentswereswappedfortheold.Muchmore
versatile.Fora25mmlongx9mmwidex2.5mmcarbonsteelcarvingspatulatogetcherryredallthewaythrough
(confirmednonsurfaceheatingbylengthycooldowntime)ittakesabout9sec.Asgoodasneededforwaxcarving!If
someoneseesmajorerrorsindiagrampleasecorrect!Cheers.
DylanWednesday,9thJanuary201311:09am#5007
Here'smine.Theworkcoilisonlytemporaryuntilasomepropercopperpipearrives.It'sworkingquitewellsofar,
oscillatingataround110kHz.Thanksforthetutorial.
FrankSaturday,26thJanuary20133:28am#5008
Ihaveacoupleofquestions.1.Regardingthesimplifiedselfoscillatingcircuit,arethereanyconstousingthistypeofcircuit.2.Itseemsthecapacitorsareabig
issueintermsofheatgainandIamcuriouswhatonemightselectforamorecontinuousdutysystem?Notsureifyoumusthavesomeliquidcoolingforeven
smallerunitsorifusinghighendlowESRcapswillsolvethatissue?
dimitrisSunday,27thJanuary20137:52pm#5009
firstthankstormcyberforthisveryusufullproject..andsorryformyenglishafter...ibuildmineandworkingverywell,butihaveaquestionaboutaupgradeon
this..ifinsteadoftwobiggestmosfetwereusedmorethanoneonparallelwouldthatworkornot?thanks
RajeshMonday,28thJanuary201310:13am#5010
ThanksRMCforsharingyourexperience.Ibuiltonecircuitandwasabletorunitat100KHz.Ihaveaquestion.Canwesplitcapacitorinsteadofcoiloftank
circuit???
RMCyberneticsMonday,28thJanuary201310:23am#5011
Frank,Consarelimitedpowerandneedingacentertappedcoil.Youwouldneedcapacitorsthatarespecificallydesignedforveryhighcurrent,highfrequencyuse.
Dimitris,YoucanaddparallelMOSFETsifyouneedmorecurrenthandling.
Rajesh,No,itmustbethecoil.
RajeshMonday,28thJanuary201310:50am#5012
ThanksforreplyRMC.IhadonesituationwheniplacedanMSBoltforheating.ItgotredhotinoneminutebutcurrenttakenfromDCkeptincreasing.Canyou
suggestanyformofpowercontroltothiscircuit.Sinceitisaselftunedcircuitfrequencyvariationisnotpossible.IsDCvoltagevariationtheonlyway?
Youcanusepulsewidthmodulationtocontrolthepower.IfoundthatourPWMOCmworksverywell.Touseit,Iconnectedadiodebetweenthegateterminalof
eachMOSFET,andtheLconnectoronthePowerPulseModulator.ThecathodesideofthediodesconnectstoL.
YoualsoneedtopowertheOCmfromthesamepowersource,orcreateacommongroundifusingaseperateone.WhentheOCmswitcheson,itpullsthe
MOSFETslow,thusdisablingtheinductionheatercircuit.
Youcannowadjustthemodulationfrequencyanddutyveryeasily.Notethatthedutycontrolisinvertedwhendoingthis..i.e.turninguptheOCmto100%will
setyourinductionheaterto0%.
FrankTuesday,29thJanuary20135:01am#5014
IhavereadwhereseveralpeoplehavetoastedtheirFETstestingthiscircuitandcuriousifanyonewouldadviseusingagateresistorforFETprotectionorifthat
wouldcauseilleffects?Iwaslookingatmaybea10kinseriesjustbeforethegate?
RajeshWednesday,30thJanuary20135:33am#5016
ThanksRMCforreply.YoumeanwecanconnectthegatepinofMOSFETstoPWMSupplyinsteadof15VDCsupply.ThiswaywewillbeabletoModulateGate
PulsesandcontrolpowerbyvaryingdutycycleofPWMSupply.IamsurethemodulationfrequencyneedstobemuchsmallerthanoperatingfrequencyofTank
Circuit.
sachinWednesday,30thJanuary20137:24pm#5017
DearsirRMCybernetics,Iamnewintheinductioncircuit.ihavethefollowingcircuitdiagramofinductioncircuit.Willit
work?BecauseuhaveusedachokeL2andiamusingtransformerof18:1or11:1offerritecoreonly.Willitworkto
heatajobincoilifcircuitinresonant?
RMCyberneticsWednesday,30thJanuary20139:36pm#5018
Frank,thereisallreadyagateresistor.Increasingthiswillslowdowntheswitchingandincreaselosses.Toprotectthegate,useazenerdiodebetweengateand
source.
Rajesh,No,justdoasdescribed.
Sachin,Itcouldworkintheory,butthatisnotapracticalcircuit.Icanonlyoffersupportforthecircuitinthisarticle.
dimitrisThursday,31stJanuary20137:39pm#5020
thanksforthereply.iusedtwoirfz44nandi'llgoto4+4..i'llposttheresultafter..
SamThursday,31stJanuary201310:16pm#5021
Hi,thanksforthegreatprojectandfastshipping,workedgreatfirsttry!Trevorb,anyluckonthatpancakecoil?I'm
hopingtobuildonetoobuthavestartedoutwithastandardcoiltokickthingsoff.Haveyoutriedapplyingyourcircuit
toastandardcoil?Iwonderifyourproblemcouldbecoilside?I'vemadepancakecoilsforanindustrialinduction
heaterwhichIruninalabusingacoilingpatternsimilarto1)inthepicturebelow.Iwonderwhetherthecentretap
requirescoilingsimilarto2)toavoidcancellationinthecoil?Ifanyoneisinterestedhereisanawesomesummaryon
coildesign:http://www.stanleyzinn.com/pdf/coil_design.pdfIt'sforstandardnoncentretappedcoilsbutgivesagreat
overviewofkeyconsiderationswhendesigningacoilforaspecificpurpose.
RajeshFriday,1stFebruary20135:32am#5022
ThanksRMC,foryourvaluablesuggestions.iwillpostmycircuitpicssoon.
AdithyaSunday,10thFebruary201310:47am#5023
caniuseSTP30NF20......tnxinadvance
yeeThursday,14thFebruary20131:46am#5037
Hiihaveainductioncookerwhichwheneveripoweronforsureitswillpowertrip,whatcouldbetheproblem?Coulditbetherectifierspoilt?Pleaseadvise,thanks
RMCyberneticsThursday,14thFebruary201312:58pm#5038
Thisisnottheplaceforgettingsupportforyourcooker.Contactthemanufacturer.ThisisonlyforinformationandsupportfortheDIYInductionHeaterproject
above.
SamWednesday,20thFebruary20134:51am#5039
HiRMC,I'venowupgradedmysetuptothesixcapconfigurationandbulkedupmywiresandconnectors(managedto
startmeltingtheinsulationoffmywireswitha2capbreadboardsetup).Unfortunatelymypowersupplyiscurrent
limitingandI'munabletogetpoweruphighenough.Anythoughtsonhookingupdirectlytoa12Vcarbatterywitha
1020Afuseinline?I'vealsogotaccesstoa24Vtruckbatteryifyouthinkhighervoltagewouldmakeadifference.
CheersSam
RMCyberneticsFriday,22ndFebruary20139:31pm#5040
Acarbatteryhasahugecurrentcapacity.Theproblemwiththisisthatthesuddenrushofcurrentwhenconnectingthecircuitcouldblowthetransistorsbefore
theoscilationevengetsstarted.
IwouldsuggestusingaPWMsothatyoucanslowlyturnupthepower.Seepost#5013
sachinFriday,8thMarch20134:10pm#5050
thankyouRMCforyoursuggestion.sircaniswitchthetransistorexternally?andallthecircuitissameasyour.switchingfrequencyadjustedaccordingto
resonantfrequencyf=(1/2*3.14*sqrt(L*c)).andthatswitchingfrequencygiventobothtransistorusingsquarewavegeneratorcircuitthenwillthatcircuitworks
forinductionheatingforbolt?
RobertMonday,11thMarch20134:53am#5052
IamnewtoInductionHeatersandcurrentlytryingtobuildoneonmyown,soIamattemptingtomimicyoursexactly.ForyourDIYinductionheaterdesign,I
cannotfindwhattypeorsizeofinductorsyouusedforL1andL2(choke)andinthepicturesyouprovideIcannotevenseeL1togetabetterideaofwhereit
playsintothesystem.Secondly,Inoticeyourshas6turnsandthediameterofthecoilisonlyabout2inchesorso.WouldIhavetochangeanythingifIwanted
toincreasethediameterto4inches?
RMCyberneticsTuesday,12thMarch20131:16am#5054
Theinductorsaredescribedinthearticleandcomments.Nothingneedstochangeforawidercoil,butyoumayfindthatitwillnotheatlargeitemssowell.
RobertThursday,14thMarch201310:59pm#5056
ThereisnothingaboutspecificsmentionedaboutL1inthearticleorcomments.RegardingL2,allIseeinthearticleisthis:"Theoneshownherewasmadeby
windingabout8turnsof2mmthickmagnetwireonatoroidalferritecore."Butitdoesn'tgivemeanyspecificsonthetoroidalferritecore.
RobertThursday,14thMarch201311:55pm#5057
Regardingmypreviouscomment:Ifoundsomewhereinthecommentsectionthatyouuseda500microHenryferritecoreforthechoke,isthatcorrect?AndI
understandnowthatL1issimplythewoundworkcoil.IfIwishtoflowwaterthroughmycopperpipestocoolthem,howdoIgoaboutsolderingorattachingthe
copperwirefromthechoketothecentertapofthecopperpipes?
samMonday,25thMarch20133:10pm#5059
Iamabouttostartbuildingtheinductionheaterintoan(almost)instantaneoussmokegenerator,myquestionishowtomodulatethepowerintheworkcoilsso
astocontrolthetemperatureoftheworkpiece(10mmODsteeltubewith1mmbore).IfisusePWMwillthepulsesinterferewiththeoscillationinthecircuit?Is
thereabetterwaytoallowforthermostatictemperaturecontrol?IwillbeusingnoncontactIRsensortomonitorthetemperatureortheworkpiece,interfaced
throughArduino.Anyadvisewouldbeextremelywelcome.Thankyou.
RMCyberneticsTuesday,26thMarch20135:06pm#5063
Robert,Thespecificsofthechokeandworkcoildonotneedtobeexact.Wesolderedthewiredirectlytothesideofthepipes,butleavingenoughspacefromthe
endsothatwatercoolingpipecanpepushedover.
Sam,YouwillneedtouseaPWMassuggestedinpost#5013.Ifyousetthepulsefrequenytosomethingmuchlower(50Hzisfine)thantheresonantfrequency,
thenitwillnotcauseanyoscilationproblems.YourarduinocanbeprogrammedtodisablethePWMwhenitdetectsthetemperatureistoohigh,thenresetit
agounwhenithascooledalittle.
SARAThursday,28thMarch201310:33am#5068
HiRMCIamabouttostartbuildingtheinductionheaterIhavestartedwithcreatingmyownPWMcommandCircuitI
usedoptoelectronics6n139fortheconnectionbetweenthePICandtheMOSFETIwonderifitworkswithyourpower
circuitandwhatdoyouthinkaboutusingafullbridge???pleasehelpmeIneeditformystudyproject
kevinThursday,28thMarch201311:21pm#5069
Trevorb,areyoustilloutthere?Ifso,fromyourpictures,yourworkcoiliswoundincorrectly!Youmustkeepturninginthesamedirectionallthetimeorelsethe
magneticfieldswillcanceloutnullifyingtheinductance,hence,notoscillation.Ifyoustartwindingaflatcoilclockwise,onceyougettothecenter,youmuststart
thesecondcoiloutclockwiseandmovetotheoutside.Ilookslikeyoumadetwocoilsatthesametimewindingthesamedirection,flippedoneover(makingit
nowwoundCOUNTERCLOCKWISE)connectingthecenterstogether.Agoodwayofcheckingifyoudiditrightistostarttracingoutyourcoilwithyourfingerto
thecenterandthenbackout.Ifyouchangedirection,thatischangefromCWtoCCW,youmadeamistakeandneedtofixyourcoil.Also,trytogetittooscillate
withouttheloadfirst.Ifyoucouldpostyourcontrolcircuitupsowecantakealookatitaswell,withthepartnumberofyourcomponents,theremightbeanerror
theretoo.GoodLuck!Kev
kevinMonday,1stApril20138:17pm#5070
Trevorb,giveusmoredetails.Sizeofcapacitorontheworkcoils,theP/Nofthetransistorsyouareusing,etc.Fromyourreadings,somethingisnotconnected
properly.Withyourworkcoildisconnected,youshouldnotseethereadingsyouarereporting.Doublecheckyoursetup.Also,theMOSFETSbothseemtobein
conduction.Thegatevoltageisbelowthethresholdrangeofatypicaldevice,soIamthinkingthatyoumayhavedepletionmodeMOSFETsinsteadofstandard(or
enhancementmode)MOSFETs?Thereadingsindicatethatbotharefullyon.
RMCyberneticsTuesday,2ndApril201310:17am#5071
Sara,afullbridgewouldbeadifferentsystemaltogether.Icannotofferanyhelpforthatasittoofaroutsidethescopeofthearticle.
ductainguyenThursday,4thApril20136:10pm#5072
hiiwanttobuildmyfirstinductionheaterbyrelyonyourpostyourschemeticyourpartlistanywayicanbuyoneofyourinductionheaterlikeyourpostwith
100%assemblyandtestworkalreadyandineedoneasexamplesoicanlookatitanddothesecondonehowmuchonealreadyassembletestgoodcostplus
shippingiwanttopayforitthanmakeitassampletoassemblymyownthesecondone...tellmewillyousellmeoneyoupartverycheap.tellmethepriceihave
topayfor..thankyou
RMCyberneticsThursday,4thApril201311:56pm#5073
Wedonotcurrentlysellanassembledunit.Wewillhavesomenewproductsavailablesoonformakinginductionheaters.CheckourFacebookpageornewsletter
forupdates.
RobertThursday,11thApril20135:49pm#5075
RMC,Ihaveorderedallmyparts,andtheyhaveallcomein.Iambeginningtoassemblethem,andIhaveacouplequestions.(1)Whyisitnecessarytohavethe
centertap?Whycouldn'tyoujustsolderthechokestraightontoonecontinuoussolenoidcoil?IonlyaskthisbecauseI'mhavingdifficultysolderingthecopper
pipetoeachotheratthetap.Suggestions?(2)Isthereaformulathatrelatesthemagneticfieldstrengthorfluxdensitytoamountofheatapplied(orsomething
ofthatsort)?Thanks!!
RMCyberneticsSunday,14thApril201311:39am#5077
1)Becausethecurrentisdeliveredtothecenterofthecoil,theneachtransistorswitchesalternatelysothatcurrentflowsinbothdirections.
2)Probably,butitwillnotbesimple.Thematerial,size,shape,andpositioninthecoilwillalleffecttheheating.Thereisalsothefrequency,current,andcoil
dimentionstoconsider.
RobertWednesday,17thApril20139:40am#5078
1)Forthecentertap,couldInotjustmakeasolenoidandsolderthechoketothecenterofthesolenoid?Wouldn'tthatperformthesamefunctionaswhatyou
didsinceinyoursbothpartsofthecopper/brasscoilareallconnectedandtouchinganyway?2)Inoticeinsomecasesyouhave2330nFcapacitorsandinsome
youhave6.Iunderstanditallowsthesystemtorunatalowerfrequency,butwouldyourecommend6over2?Whateffectswillithaveontheendresult?
Thanksforyourhelp!
Yesyoucan,allthoughyoumayfindthesoldermeltsifnotkeptcool.Morecapacitorsisbetterasithelpssharethecurrentandreducefrequency.
RobertSaturday,20thApril201312:26am#5080
Ihavemycircuitcompletelywiredupwith15V,5Apowersupply,500uHchoke,anda10turncoppercoil,butIcan'tgetittoheatupanything.I'venoticedthat
onlyoneMOSFETheatsupbutnowirescrossortouchontheother.Itiswiredthesamewayastheonethatheatsupbutdoesn'tseemtobeworkingproperly.
Anysuggestions?
RMCyberneticsSaturday,20thApril201311:34am#5081
Iamnotsurethereisanythingelsetosuggest.Therearealotoftipsinthearticleandcomments.Youwillhavetoworkthroughthose:)
RobertSunday,21stApril20133:19am#5082
Someadditionalinformationonmysetup,regardingmypreviousquestionaboutonly1transistorheatingup:Ihaveverifiedthatthe3prongsofthetransistors
arewiredcorrectly(source,gate,anddrain),andthetransistorsthemselvesareabletohandle35Aand100Vasyouspecified.Iamusingthe1N4007diodes
youspecifiedintheimprovementsection,insteadofthe1N5819diodesasoriginallystated.Idon'tknowifthatcouldbethesourceoftheissue.Mycoppercoil
has10turns(noturnstouching)ithasawoundlengthof5inchesandaninnerdiameterof2inches.Thepipeitselfhasa2mminnerdiameteranda4mmouter
diameter.IhopeIdidn'tgotoofarwithanything.
SamDTTuesday,23rdApril20138:57am#5083
Hi,JustaddedaPWMtomysystemworksreallywellevenwithmyoldpowersupply.Iassumethisisbecausewhenit'sturneddownitdecreasestheamountof
powerrequiredtokickoffoscillation?I'vealsosuccessfullybuiltapancakecoilwhichworksnicelyalthoughitseemstorequireabitmorepowerthanastandard
solenoidcoil.I'vejustaddedthecentretappbylooping10Awireoverthecoilapproximatelyhalfwayaroundthecoil(RobertIthinkthiswasyourplanforthe
solenoidcoilworkedokformebutdidgethot).Picturebelow.Robertregardingyourquestionabovethefrequencycanchangethedepthofheatinghigher
frequencyheatsclosesttothesurfaceandthenconductsinwards,lowerfrequenciesheatdeeperintothecomponent.Probablynotanissueunlessyou'reheating
somethingreallylarge.RMCcoupleofquestionsMynexttaskistoaddwatercooling(I'llmakeanewcoilwithoutallthosepinchpoints).Isitalsonecessaryto
coolthecentretappwiregoingtothechoke?Mineseemstowarmupabit(notasmuchasthecoilitselfbutstillreasonablywarm).Secondly,ifIrunthesystem
onlowpower(controlledbythePWM)andIhavefanandwatercoolingisitlikelythatI'llbeabletorunthesystemforlongerthanyoursuggested5min?I'monly
heatingsomethingthesizeofamediumsizedcoinandI'mgoingtotryandputitinavacuumwhichshouldsignificantlyreducethepowerrequiredtomaintaina
highertemperature.ItseemslikeitshouldworkbutIwonderifthere'sanythingonthePWMoreveninthemaincircuitwhichwillheatupregardlessofhowlowI
dropthepower?Thanksagainforthegreatproject,helpandadvice.Sam
RMCyberneticsTuesday,23rdApril201310:35am#5084
Thecentertapdoesnotneedextracooling.Thelargecurrentscirculatebetweenthecoilandcapacitors.Forextendedhighpoweruse,youmightneedtocoolthe
capacitorstoo.ThePWMwillnotheatupasitisonlycontrolingthetransistorsandnotswitchinganysignificantpowerdirectly.
RobertTuesday,23rdApril20139:02pm#5085
IknowthediodesidewiththebandgoesonthemorenegativesideI'vetriedseveralconfigurationsbutarebothyourbandsonthetransistorside?
RobertTuesday,23rdApril201310:15pm#5086
ThankyouRMC!!Ifinallygotmyinductionheatertowork.Isimplehadadiodeinthewrongdirection.
SamTuesday,23rdApril201311:25pm#5087
Great,thanksRMC!Pancakecoilpicbelow:
amirrulWednesday,1stMay20133:40pm#5088
hirmcihavecompletedtheconnectionofallthecomponentsbasedonthecircuityougivenabovebutidontgetanyfrequencyatall,whatistheproblem?
RMCyberneticsSaturday,4thMay201311:21am#5091
Facepalm!Pleasereadandfollowthetroubleshootingtipsandtheothersuggestionsthroughoutthecomments.
DonaldSunday,12thMay20132:36am#5094
Curiously,thefirstthingIdidbeforefinishingthearticlewasfireupLTSpiceandenterafewcomponents.Got27kHzonmyfirstoscillations,soalittlelow,but
nowIseeyouhavea.ascrighthere,I'llpickitupandhaveanothergo.Thanks.
DudiWednesday,15thMay20136:59am#5095
Hirmc,ItisposibleifItrytomadeasimpleheatertowarmingnboilingwaterinacoffeecup?Ihavenoideaaboutelectronic.ButIwanttomakeaninduction
heaterformycoffeecup.Iwishitcanbe9voltbattery,sizeabout7080cmindiameter.Canyouhelpmeplease?
RMCyberneticsWednesday,15thMay201312:54pm#5096
A9V(PP3)batterydoesnothaveenoughpowertoheatacupsignificantly.Thereisnopointusinginductionheatingforthisanyway.Justastandardresistance
heatingelementwouldbebest.
misterWednesday,15thMay20137:56pm#5097
IhaveanoldyaskawaV1000driveforinductionandpmmotorswouldibeabletousethisasaninductionheaterorsalvageparts
fromit
RMCyberneticsWednesday,15thMay201310:22pm#5098
No,itmaycontainsomeusefultransistors,butyouwouldbebetteroffjustbuyingthefewpartsthatthisprojectrequires.
bob800Saturday,18thMay20136:24pm#5099
Hi,I'vebeentryingtofindanaffordable0.1ufcapacitortouseinachainof40,foratotalcapacitanceof4uf.Ifoundtwosuchmodels:Thefirstissignificantly
cheaper,butitisdescribedas"GeneralPurpose"vsthemoreexpensive"ACPulse,Suppression"model.Also,thesecondmodelis"DoubleMetallized".Arethese
featuresnecessaryfora~600Wheater,orcanIgowiththecheapermodel?Thanks!
MichaelSunday,19thMay20133:18am#5100
Isitpossibletousea200ampacarcwelderforthepowersupply?byupsizingeacomponent?ForexampleIhaveacoupleofhighcurrentigbts1000v/200amp
toreplacethemosfets?
ChristopherMonday,20thMay20132:12am#5101
HiRCM,Iputtogetherthecircuitusingthecomponentsyouhavesuggestedhowever,thepowersourceI'mcurrentlyworkingwithisa25V1Apowersource.
Theproblemisthatthereisnovoltageacrossthemosfetandthereisverylittlecurrent<<1Abeingdrawnintothesystem.Thisisoccurringwith15Vgoinginto
thecurrent.Isthispossibleduetotheinabilityofmypowersourcetodrivethecircuit,orsomeotherissueyoumighthaveinmind?Thankyouforanyadviceyou
mighthave!
RMCyberneticsMonday,20thMay20132:24am#5102
bob,Neitherwillbesuitable.Youcannotcheapoutonpartsifyouwanttomakeitworkat600W.
Michael,No.Thearcwelderoutputisverylowvoltage.YoucannotjustreplacetheMOSFETswithIGBTs.Asmentionedinthearticle,thevoltagedropwouldbe
toolargeandwouldnotallowtheoppositetransistortoswitchoff
ThiscircuitisjustasimpleDIYinductionheaterproject.Itwouldrequiresomethingmorecomplexandusingmoreexpensivepartstoworkatsignificantlyhigher
powerlevels.
Christopher,AbsolutelythePSUisnotgoodenough.Thisisthenumberonepointinthetroubleshootingsection.Pleasereadthewholearticleandcomments.The
answersarethere.
bob800Monday,20thMay20136:46am#5103
Thanksforthereply!Couldyoupleaseexplainwhataboutthecapacitorsisunsuitable?TheyarebothMKPcapacitorsratedat1000V.
IanThursday,23rdMay20135:51am#5104
HiRMCIseenowhereinthedescriptionorQ&Apostingsanyphysicalsizesfortheferritetoroidtouseforthechoke.Isthesizeoftheferritecritical,canitbetoo
big?IfIuseonthatistoosmall,IrealizeIcouldhavedifficultygettingenoughcoilsofheavywireintoit.Iwasthinkingofgettingsomethingbetween3&5cm
o/diawithacrosssectionalareaofabout1sqcm.Wouldthatbeok?Alsowhenwindingtheinductorcoilsontotheferriteisitbesttospacethemevenlyroundthe
circumferenceorcantheybebunchedtogether?
RMCyberneticsThursday,23rdMay201310:15am#5105
bob800,theybasicallywonthaveenoughmetalinsidethemorattheconnectionstosupportlargeflowsofcurrent.Theonesusedinthisprojectareonlyableto
withstandshortrunsat300W.The1000Vratingisnotgoingtohelpsinceinthisprojectthevoltageonlyincreasedtoaround100V.
Ian,ToobigisOK,toosmallcouldjustmeannotenoughinductance.Theoneusedhereis550mmodand18mmthick.Ispreadtheturnsbutitwontmakea
significantamountofdifference.
IanThursday,23rdMay20131:54pm#5107
ThanksforthequickreplyRMC.I'llbeorderingsomecomponentstoday!I'llgetabigferritetoplaywiththen!Easiertowindthecable!Ihaveplentyofstranded
heavygaugewirecanIusethatfortheinductorwireorwould2mmsinglestrandmagnetwirebebetter?Myideaistousetheonepieceofcablestraight
throughfromthepowersupply,throughthechoke&ontotheloadcoilL1centretap.Regardingpowersupplies.IfIwanttouseacarbattery(fusedofcourse)am
IrightinthinkingthatyourecommendusingaPowerPulseModulator.Howexactlyshouldthatbeconnected?willitsimplygoinserieswiththecablefromthe
batterytotheInductionheatercircuitandtakeallthepowerforit?canyougiveaconnectionschematicforthisscenario?RegardsIan
RMCyberneticsFriday,24thMay20139:25am#5108
Thesolidwiremightbeeasierforformingacoil,butapartfromthat,eitherwillbeOK.Thisdiagramshowstheaddition
of2diodestothecircuitsothatitcanbelinkedtooneofourPWMControlcircuitsforadjustingthepowerofthe
inductionheater.
Thedutycontrolofthepwmcircuitisinvertedcomparedtotheoutputpoweroftheheater.whichmeanssettingthe
dutyto100%willturnofftheheating.Sobeforeturningonthepower,setthedutycontrolto100%.Youcanthen
graduallyadjustitsothattheheatingandflowofcurrentisatthelevelyouwant.AnyofourPWMcircuitswillworkfor
thisasconnectingthiswaydoesnotpassthemainpowerflowthroughthePWM.Youshouldalsosettoquitealow
frequencysuchas50Hzasthisseemstoallowtheinductionheatertoresonateproperlybetweenpulses.
AshutoshSaturday,1stJune20131:55pm#5109
sir,caniuseorangedropcapacitors(330nF){inthepicture}inplaceof330nFpolypropylenecapacitorsthatuhave
used.alsocaniuseIRF540MOSFETinsteadofSTP30NF10.willitwork.
RMCyberneticsSaturday,1stJune20132:20pm#5110
Icannotansweryesornoforallthepossiblealternativepartsthatcouldbeused.Ifyoudonotwanttousethepartslisted,thenitisuptoyou.Thereisalotof
infoabovethatshouldletyouknowwhatyouneed,orofcourseyoucanjusttryitandletusknowhowitgoes.
TheLightningStalkerSunday,2ndJune20137:25am#5111
Hello.Thanksforthegreatsiteandinfo.I'vebeenhavingquiteabitoftroublegettingminetowork.Asof
rightnow,thetransistorsaregettinghotandI'mgettingsomefunkywaveforms.I'msuspectingthe
diodes.TheyaresomeFF1001.Thetoptraceisthegateandbottomtracethedrain.
KeikoSunday,2ndJune201310:29pm#5112
Thankyouforthegreatguide.MyfriendandIaremakingthisasaseniorphysicsfairproject,andassuchwe'refairly
limitedinourresources.Sincewedon'thaveanoscilloscope,we'reatabitofalossastohowtotroubleshootthe
circuit.Isuspecttheresonanceisnotoccurring,butIhavenowaytobepositive.We'repoweringthiswith24volts
from2carbatteriesthroughamotorcontroller,asitwastheonlywaywecouldhavesufficientamperage.Anyadvice
orsuggestionsyoumayhavewouldbegreatlyappreciated.Parts:NTE2396MOSFET(comparabletoIRF540(N)),
1.98uFcapacitance,330ohmresistors,1N4007diodes,andwebelievetheL2chokehasaninductanceofaround
.246uH.
TheLightningStalkerTuesday,4thJune20132:33pm#5115
Keiko:Thosediodesaren'tgoingtocutthemustard.Iwasusingultrafastdiodesandtheystillweren'tenough.Theonesyou'reusingaremuchworse.Infact,
they'resoslowthatFairchilddoesn'tevenpublishaTrronthem.At24V,I'mafraidyou'regoingtohavetobuysomemailorder,unlessyouhaveaverygoodlocal
supplyhouse.Doyouhavealinktoabetterpicture?It'shardtotellwhat'sgoingonthere.Cheers,Robert
KeikoTuesday,4thJune20135:54pm#5116
ThanksRobert!Ihadnarroweditdowntothecurrenthavingblownoutthediodesandmaybethetransistors,thoughI'mnotpositiveofthelatter.Couldyougive
methesortofspecsI'mlookingforinthenewdiodes?IhaveafairlygoodstorenearbythatIcanprobablyfindsomethingsuitable.I'mbitathomeandcan't
takeapictureofoursetup.
PradeepKumarWednesday,5thJune201310:25am#5117
HowcanIconvertthistoinductioncooker?Iamplaningtomakedcinductioncookerforhomewherethereisnoelectricityavailable.Cananyonehelpwithcircuit
detailswithnecessarymodifications?
IanThursday,6thJune20131:38am#5118
HiagainRMCI'vebuiltmyInductioncircuitwithyourmosfets,capacitors,diodes,resistors&a7812regulatorfeeding
thecontrolsideasperyourdrawings,butitwon'theatupMyPSUcan'tkeepupthevoltageItdropsto5voltsfrom
15whilstdrawingabout10ampsDoesthismeanmycircuitisn'toscillating?Iattachmyideaofhowthe
intertconnectionofaPWMwithsoftstartwillneedtobewiredtotheInductionheater.Isthiscorrect?AsmyPSUisn't
uptoit,Iwishtohaveacarbatterypoweredsystem(12Volts)thathasthePWMcontrolssettoensurethatIget
exactrepetitionofheatingrateeachtimethesystemisstartedusingatimerswitchonthePWMasthecyclestart).
MytimerwillcloseSW1forthepresettime.Myapplicationisannealingcartridgebrass&precise,repeatable&
adjustabletime&heatinputisimportanttome.
AndreasFriday,7thJune20137:29am#5119
IsitpossibletoheatthesteelabovetheCurietemperaturewiththiscircuit?Uptoabout1000degCorevenmeltsteel?
RMCyberneticsFriday,7thJune201310:54am#5122
TheLightningStalker,Sometimesadjustingthevalueofthegateresistorscanhelp.AlsoazenerdiodebetweengateandGNDcouldbeworthatry.
Keiko,the1n4007canwork,buttheyarequiteslowdiodesowillonlyworkifyourinductionheaterhasalowresonantfrequency.Ideallysomethingfasterwould
beneeded.AnythingdescribedasafastdiodewithsufficientvoltageratingswouldbeOK.
PradeepKumar,Thisrequireselectricityandcannotbemadetoworkwithoutit.
Ian,thePWMOCmdoesnotsupportthesoftstartmodification.Thattutorialisforadiscontinuedmodel(PWMOCB).YoucanuseanunmodifiedOCm,andsimply
usethecontrolstograduallyturnupthepower.AlternatelyyoucanuseournewPWMOCXtopoweryourcircuitasithasabuiltincurrentlimitingfeature.This
wouldlimitthestartupcurrentautomatically(onceyouhaveadjustedthecurrentlimitcontroltoyourdesiredlevel).
Andreas,Youprobablywouldnotbeabletogetsufficientpowerthroughthiscircuittomeltsteel.Maybewithaverysmallcoilandsmallmetalsample.
PradeepKumarTuesday,25thJune20135:48am#5124
canuseinductioncookerwhichrun220vAcforinductionheaterapplicationconnectingcoperpipetotheoutput?Isthereandcircuitmodificationrequired?
danielWednesday,26thJune201311:15am#5125
Hi,Idesignathesistopic:thedesignofatransformerforinductionheatingofbearings.Cananyonehelpmehowtomaketheschemeandwhatelementswill
contain.Anyhelpwouldbehelpfultomethankyou.
EliThursday,27thJune201311:49am#5126
@RMCyberneticsHowdoyouthinkthiscircuitwouldfarefromdrivingtheFETswithanamplifiedVCXOoscillator?Thatwouldremovethenecessityofneedingan
arrayofcapacitorslargeenoughtocopewithcurrent.Ifitatallmatters,I'minresearchworkingonalowcostCMOSfabscheme,andIneedtoheatawafer
chambertoabout1000degC.Isthisplausibleshouldthepowerhandling(#ofFETs,supplyamperage)beincreased?Also,I'mwellversedinRFmechs,butI'll
runafewthingsbyyouanywayfirst,woulddecreasingthedistancefrominteriorcoildiametertosample(inmycase,theiron"bomb"withthewaferinside)
improveheating?I'dtendtothinkso,knowingthatthecoreimprovessaturationoveratypicalaircorescheme,butI'veneverbuiltaheatingdeviceofthiskind,
soIfigureI'llrunitbyyou.Second,atwhatregionofthefrequencyplotdoyouexpecttheretobediminishingreturns?Obviously,ifIweretoresonatetheFET
gatesat60Hz,I'dhaveslowtominimaltransfer.Increasingfrequencyyieldsresultsuptoapoint.Mypointbetterstated,withinthe10kHzto13MHzspectrum,is
therethatmuchdifferencebetweenhighandlowendfrequencyoscillation?Thanksinadvance.
Pradeep,Icannotoffersupportforothercircuitsordevices.Youwillhavetotestthisoutforyourself.
Eli,Itwillnotworkwellwithanexternaloscillator.Itisessentialthatthesystemisdrivenatresonanceotherwisethesystemwillbeverylossy.Theresonant
frequencywillchangewhenaddingdifferentsizeditemstobeheated.Yesmovingcloserincreasescouplingandwillheatmore.Theoptimumfrequencyusedwill
behighlydependantonyoursetup.Thechoiceoftransistors,thecoilparametersandthesizeandshapeofyourheateditemareallsignificant,soIcannotoffer
anyfurtherinformationonthat.
ejavWednesday,31stJuly20137:41am#5132
Hifreinds,Speciallythanksforthegoodconversation.Iambeginerinthisfieldandhaveasimplequestion.DoesL1orL2inthefigurerepresentthebrasscoil?I
shouldprepareainductionmachineforcathetertipforming.HowcanIselectsomeparametersofthecoilsuchasthewirediameterandcoildiameter?
IanWednesday,7thAugust201311:51am#5133
HiRMCMyheaterisworkingwellnowIhaveabetterPSUdrivingit.12VDCinputdraws5Ampswithnothinginthecoil.&currentriseswhenmetalisinserted
Allgood.Mineheatssteelupquitequickly&asexpectedbrassmoreslowly.Mycoilwillneedwatercoolingagainasyouadvised.AsIwanttoannealbrasslocally
(justoneendofatube),Ineedaquickheatinputtoavoidheatingtoofardownthetube.Questions:1.Toincreasetheheatingrateforbrasswouldahigher
voltagepowersupplybebetter?2.Doesoscillationfrequencyaffectheatingratesignificantly?(Icouldchangethenumberofcapacitorstochangethat,Iam
currentlyusingthesixyousupplied).3.IfIoptfor24Vsupply(2x12Vcarbatteries)woulditbepossibletousealargechoketoinhibittheinitialcurrentsurge
youspeakof?RatherthangototheexpenseofusingaPWM?
RMCyberneticsThursday,8thAugust20137:42pm#5135
ejav,L1istheinductionheatercoil
Ian,moreinputvoltgewillcertainlyimproveheating.Abigchokewillhelp,butifoscillationdoesnotstart,theMOSFETswillsoonbedestroyed.Frequencywill
effectthedepthofheating,butIamnotsurewhatadjustmentwouldbebestforyourapplication.Makingsurethecoildiameterisassmallaspracticallypossible
willhelp.
NEW:PowerResonatorTheDIYInductionHeaterCircuitavailabletobuy
FadySaturday,17thAugust20137:52pm#5136
RMCybernetics,imademyowninductionheaterfromyourcircuitdiagramanditworkedbutthemetalscrewonlyheatedupalittlebitbecauseihadaverysmall
powersupply(24v,4A),thenwhenichangedthepowersupllyitworkedalittlebetterbutstillnotmuchheat,thenafteriwentfora15A,,12Vpower
supply,NOTHINGHAPPENED!,nothingheatedup,nietherthecoil,orthechokeorthetransistors,therewasavoltagethroughtheinputandoutput,butnothing
anywhereelse!,ireplasedthecapacitorwithanotheronebutstillnothinghappened!doyouthinkyoucantellmewhathappened?!andifitisneeded,i'musinga
ceramiccapacitor(x1y2),2inductorsinseriesasalargerchocke,andthetransistorscanwdthstand20Aand400Vdouuneedapicture?
RMCyberneticsSaturday,17thAugust20139:12pm#5137
Wellgoingfroma24VPSUtoa12Voneisgoingtocutthepowerinhalf.Also,asmentionedbefore,ceramiccapacitorsarenotsuitable.
FadyMonday,19thAugust201310:48pm#5139
Thankyouforanswering,ihaveanotherquestion,iampuzzeled,ilearnedthatacoilwithgreaterdiameterhasbetterinductancebutwhenimakeasmallercoili
havebetterheating,whyisthatandifmoreturnsmakeforabettermagneticfieldwhyonlyuse4?(regardlessoftheneedforahighresonancefrequency)
Alargercoilwillhavemoreinductance,butheatingeffectandfeildstrengtharenotdirectlyproportionaltoinductanceinthisinductionheater.Yoursmallercoil
wouldofferimprovedcouplingduetotherebeinglessairspacebetweenthewindingsandyoursamplebeingheated.Alownumberofturnsareusedasthiskeeps
theimpedanceofthecircuitverylow,thusallowingmorecurrenttoflow.
FadyTuesday,20thAugust20131:50pm#5141
Oh,thanksalotiunderstandmorenow
RobertThursday,22ndAugust20134:27pm#5142
Thankyou..withjustafewofchangesitworkedgreat,firstIwentwiththeirfp150ntransistor,thenused12rapsof
16awgmagwireonthechoke,101ufcapsandthesourceistoneginsteadofground.NextI'mgoingtotry2
24v/15apowersupplieshookedinparallel,thisshouldgetmeo720watt...
calebFriday,30thAugust201310:46pm#5145
CouldyousimplyuseacurrentlimiterinsteadofL2?Itseemsthatasiliconcurrentlimitingdevicecouldprovidevariablepowertotheload.2mHinductors@10A
cangetexpensive,buta10AMOSFETcurrentlimitershouldbeprettycheap,andadjustable.Anythoughts?
FadySaturday,31stAugust20133:35pm#5146
Helloihaveanotherquestion,imadeanentirelydifferentcircuitthis(samediagramdifferentparts)andyetnothing
happenedcouldyoutellmethatifireplacemycapacitorwithasupercapacitorwillitwork?becausetheprevious
circuithaditanditworked(alittle)
FadySunday,1stSeptember20134:42pm#5147
Ihaveanotherquestion,canisimplyputastepeddowntransformerintothesocketandputontheothersideofthetranstheresonanttankandthenwouldi
haveaninductionheater(withresistorsandfusesforprotection)
sharadSunday,1stSeptember20137:46pm#5148
Thanksforprovidingthisgoodinformationaboutinductionheating.Iwanttobuildinductionheatingsetup,iwantto230VACsupplyasainputsupply.Reference
tocurrentcircuitwhichcomponentswillberequiredtochange?
RMCyberneticsWednesday,4thSeptember20131:47pm#5149
NiceworkRobert.Thanksforsharingyourphoto.
caleb,No.Thechokealsoservestoblockhighfrequencycurrentsfromgettingbacktothepowersupplyrails.Wehave1mH16Ainductorswhicharenot
expensive.
Fady,Supercapacitorsarenotsuitableforthiscircuit.Makesureyouhavefastdiodes.Noyoucannotjustwireittoatransformer.Thisinductionheatermustbe
drivenatresonancetowork..
sharad,Youneedawholedifferentsetupforhigherpowerlevelswhichisbeyondthescopeofthisproject.
SalahuddinSunday,8thSeptember20135:34pm#5151
IsitineageranticipationoftheCRO1.Butinlookingoveritsspecs,somethingdoesn'taddup.ItlookslikewehaveacoupleofTO220heatsinksunderthe
40mmfan.However,thedimensionsoftheproductarecitedas45mmx50mmx20mm.Nowtheheatsinkisroughly35mmwideby35mmtall(notcounting
thepinsunderneath).Thefanisseeminglya40mmunit.Yetit'soccupyingonlyhalfthelongestdimension.Assumingittobehalf,andallowingalittleextraspace
aroundit,we'dhaveaproductcominginatroughly90mmx45mmx35mm.Not50mmx45mmx20mm.Whatgives?
RMCyberneticsMonday,9thSeptember20133:49pm#5152
Thanksforpointingthatout.ItshouldbeL83xW46xH60mm.Listinganddatasheetupdated.
MikeWednesday,11thSeptember201311:21pm#5153
HiIamusingthistypeofoscilatorknownasmaziliZVS(isallmostthesamelikeyoupresented)Iused100uH
inductance,andthickwireinprimary.Voltage:12V,mydcpowersuplycangive16ampsTheoscilatorwasusedfor
poweringupanflybacktransformerfromanoldblackandwhiteTV.Iobserved,atlowfrequencies,below20khzthe
flameinHVsecondarycoilismuchstrongerthanathigherfrequenciesForexample,at250khzthesecondaryoutput
ispoorIhavealmostnoflame...Sothehigherthefrequencythethelowesttheoutputofsecondary...Whythis
happens?PleaseadvicemehowcanIfixthat?
MikeWednesday,11thSeptember201311:25pm#5154
Iforgettomention:insteadof10Kresistorsfiguredinschematic,Iused4k7,andirfp240tranzistors...anywayIdon,tthinkthisissoimportant...
RMCyberneticsThursday,12thSeptember20138:57am#5155
Thereactanceofthetransformerincreaseswithfrequencyandthereforelesspowercanflow.Theonlysolutionistoincreasetheinputvoltage.
SalahuddinThursday,12thSeptember201311:54am#5156
I'mpresentlydevelopinganadaptationofaRepRap3DprinterinwhichI'mintendingtoheatthehotendwithanPWM
supplied(notshown)inductionsetup.ThepictureillustrateswhatIhaveinmind.ItusestheCRO1buthas4x0.47
1000VDCratedcaps(EPCOS32653metalpolypropylene).Mycalculationssuggestabout205KHzresonancebasedon
thecoppertubingand2.8turns.OwingtospaceconstraintsIdecidedtosplitthelargecapsandinductioncoilfromthe
oscillatorcircuit.AlsoIencasedallbutthecoilinmetalenclosures.Someofthewiregaugesillustratedarepossiblytoo
thinbutapartfromthat,anycommentsabouttheinterconnectbetweentheoscillatorandinductionheater?Also,I
haveasolenoidabout5cmabovethecoilandaconcerniswhethertherewouldbemeaningfulinterferencefromthe
inductioncircuittocausethesolenoidtomalfunction.Lastly,Ithoughtaboutdrillingthecoilandbrazingastudtoit
whichwouldbethesolderingpointfortheL2tap,avoidingthebypasssurgerywiththesmallplastictube.Comments
onanyofthesefeaturesandhowIcouldimproveuponthedesign?
RMCyberneticsSaturday,14thSeptember20131:13pm#5157
Thatisaverynicelymadegraphic!ThereareafewsuggestionsIcouldmakeaboutwiringitup.KeepinmindthattheconnectingleadsbetweentheCRO1and
thecoilassemblywillstillformsomepartoftheresonantcircuit.Thebulkoftheresonatingcurrentwillbedirectlybetweenthecapacitorsandthecoil,butthe
smallamountofinductancefromtheconnectingleadswillalsohavesomeeffectontheimpedanceandthereforehowmuchcurrentwillflow.Thiseffectismore
significantwhenusinglowinductancecoilslikeourcentertappedinductioncoilassemblyasevenabendintheconnectingwirescanchangethecurrentflowby
aboutanamp.Thiscoilusesasinglecoppertubeandhasthecentreconnectionsimplysolderedontothemiddleofthecentralturn.Thisconnectionmethodisfine
aslongasthecoiliskeptcoolenoughnottomeltthesolder.
Thereisalsoanotheralternativethatmaybemoresuitableforyourapplication.YoucanuseacentretappedtransformerconnectedtotheCRO1andthenhave
theoutputconnectedtoastandardtwoterminalcoil.Usingthismethodyouhavemoreflexibilityforyourcoildesignandcanalsokeepallthebulkycapacitorsand
transformeroutofthewaywiththeCRO1.Wearecurrentlytestingoutsometransformercoresanddesignswhichwillbecomeavailabletobuyinthecoming
weeks.
Thesolenoidshouldnotbedirectlyaffectedbytheinductioncoil,butitmighthaveenergyfromthefluctuatingfieldcoupledintoitasifitwerethesecondarycoil
ofatransformer.Thesolenoidislikelytohaveahighnumberofturnsandcouldthereforecauseahighvoltagetobefedbacktoyoursolenoiddrivecircuit.The
significanceofthiswilldependonhowmuchtheresonatingfieldcoupleswiththesolenoid.
DylanSaturday,5thOctober20136:03am#5158
Isthechoketheonlylimiterofcurrent?LetssayIhookedupaheavydutyserverpowersupply(12Vat120A)andkeptloweringtheinductanceofthechoke.
Woulditbepossibletousealltheavailablecurrentfromthepowersupply,givingmea1.5kWheater?ObviouslyIwouldhavetousemuchbiggercomponents
throughoutthecircuit,butcouldthiswork?
RMCyberneticsSunday,6thOctober201311:02am#5159
No,theimpedanceofyourheatingcoilassemblywillalsolimitcurrent.ThechokeisalsonecessarytopreventhighfrequencycurrentreachingyourPSUand
damagingit.
DylanThursday,10thOctober20133:25pm#5160
Okay,sotheworkcoil'simpedancelimitsthecircuit'spowertosomefinitevalue.Thatmakessense.Thismeansthattherearenootherwaystoincreasethe
powerbesidesincreasingtheinputvoltageandadjustingthechoke,right?
Yes,butconsiderthetheipmedanceofareactivecircuitalsochangeswithfrequency.Ifyouaddmorecapacitance,itwilllowertheresonantfrequencyandwill
likelydrawmorecurrentforthesameinputvoltage.
Youcanalsouseanimpedancematchingtranformersothatyoucanhavemoreflexibilityforyourcoildesignwhiledrawingasmuchcurrentasyoucan.For
exampleyouputjustacoupleofturnsattheprimarysideparallelwithyourcapacitors,thenifyouwantyourinductioncoiltohavemoreturns,youwindthe
transformersecondarywithalotofturnstostepupthevoltage.
RMCyberneticsTuesday,15thOctober201310:39am#5162

ThanksDougforsharingyourinductionheatervideo.
HevertonWednesday,23rdOctober20136:57pm#5163
Greetings.I'mtryingtouseonthiscircuit:240NF10,2N58822diodes,andsomechinesecapacitors.Thethingis
thatinthefirsttimeIdidthecircuit,itworked,notasgoodasyoursbutstillthatwassomething.Now,everytimeI
turniton,oneofthetransistorsgetprettyhot,andsometimesitburns.Andthecapacitorsdon'tseemtogetany
alterationintheirtemperature.Itriedtoreadsomecomments,butI'mlostinthiscase.Iwishyouthebestforthis
awesomeproject,andIhopeyoucanhelpmetomakemineworkaswell.Btw,thecircuitisopennow,becauseIwas
putinganewmosfetThanks
RMCyberneticsWednesday,23rdOctober201310:47pm#5166
Seemslikelythatoneormorecomponentshavebeendamaged.
FrankFriday,25thOctober20137:29pm#5167
Ihaveaninductorjustliketheoneyouhaveforsale.Itisafourpinandjustlikethatgreenoneforsale,thereseemstobe
twoseparatecoilsonthesametoroidwithfourpossiblewiresstickingout.Forthechokethen,howdoyouhookitup?Just
useoneside?Seriesthem?OrParallel?Thanks.
Justuseonewindingandleavetheotherunconnected.
nateWednesday,20thNovember20133:23am#5174
Newbiequestion:Istheworkcoilsupposedtogethotwhenempty?Likewhisk,mycoilgotveryhotandmeltedthesolderconnectingtheC1capsveryquickly
withtheworkcoilempty.Thecoilissamedesign/turnsasyour"PushingitFurther"design,butmadeof1/8"coppertubingwitha7/8"coilID.Isthistoosmallfor
a24V15Apowersupply?IincreasedL2from1mHto2mHandthatofcoursehelped.Itcanberunforabout25secondsbeforetheemptyworkcoilheatsenough
tostartmeltingtheC1solder.Anysuggestions?WillIneedtoaddthePWMtousethecurrentpowersupplyandworkcoil?Thanks.
IanWednesday,20thNovember201312:57pm#5175
HiRMCI'mstillworkingonupratingtheperformanceofmyinductionheatingcircuitwhichworksreasonablywellfrom
a12voltPSU(700WattATXwithall+12Voutputsgangedtogetherratedat38Awhichequals456Watts).The
currentasIstatedinmyearlierpoststartsat5Ampswithnothingintheworkcoilwhichthenrisestoabout12Amps
withasteelbarpartlyinsertedintotheworkcoilInmyworld12Voltsat12AmpsDCequals144Watts.IfIputthe
steelfurtherintothecoiltheAmpsgouptoabout15A(180Watts)andthepowersupplyshutsdown.Thisisshutting
downatlessthanhalfthecurrentspecofmyPSU.Canyouhelpmetounderstandthisphenomenonwhatislikelyto
bekillingmyPSUwhichisnew&justneedsrestartingeachtimetobringitbackintooperation.Coulditbesomekind
offunnyHFfeedback?IfsohowcanIstopithappening.Imadetwoinductionchokes&thecircuitworkedfinewith
eitherofthem.Ithentriedaddingthesecondoneinseriesbutitdidn'tappeartochangeanything.Dochokeswork
likeresistorswhenconnectedinseries?(R=R1+R2)OrdoIneedtoincreasethecoilsonjustonecoretoincreasethe
inductance?I'mconsideringbuyingoneofyour24volt15A(360Watts)powersuppliestogivemysystemmore
capacitybutamworriedthatI'llgetthesamesafetyshutdownofthePSUasIincreasetheworkload.Mycircuitis
builtverymuchasyouspecifywithallyourcomponentsexceptforthechokewhichiselevencoilsof2.7mmdiameter
solidcoppertransformerwirewoundontoaferritecore50mmO/Dandonecentimetersquaresection.Hereisaphoto
ofmysetup.
Nate,thecoilneedstobewatercooled.
Ian,Itispossiblethatthe12Vrailsarenotevenlysupplyingcurrentandthereforeoneisbeingoverloaded.ATXPSUsarealsooftenratedforpeakpowerso
perhapsitjustcannotdealwiththatpowercontinuously.HFfeedbackisalsoapossibility.Youcanconnectchokesinseriesandaddingsomecapacitorsparalellto
the12Voutputcanhelpfilternoise.
PeterSunday,24thNovember201310:31pm#5177
ThanksfortheHeaterideaandgreatsupport!IhaveproblemswithFEToscillations.Canyouhelp?Iusedinmysetup
10Voltregulator,SOD57diodesandIRFP4321PBFFETs,onthePowersideIhave47uFandontheregulator10uF.I
amdrivingtheheaterwithabout20AMPs.IalsotriedIRF540lookslikethereislessofspikinginthiscasebutFETis
underpowered.DuetotheoscillationsFETsaregettinghot.Canyouhelp?Thanks,Peter
IanSunday,24thNovember201310:37pm#5178
HiagainRMCIwishtopowermyinductioncircuitwithatransformer&fullbridgerectifierwhichsuppliesunsmoothed30voltsDC&plentyofcurrentcapacity.I
wishtouseaPWMOCXforsoftstartandpowercontrol.Allswitchedbyasimpletimerswitch,sothatonstartingthetimer,theheaterrampsup&runsfora
repeatablelengthoftime.1.WillthePWMOCXoperateproperlywithanunsmoothed30voltsupply?2.Asmysupplyvoltagewillbe30voltsIpresumeIstillneed
tocontrolthegateswitha7812regulator.Howexactlyshouldthesystembeconnected?Acompleteschematicdiagramwouldbeappreciated.3.Youmention
settingthePWMfrequencyatabout50Hz.Canyoupleaseexplainthetheorybehindthis.
BradTuesday,26thNovember20132:48pm#5179
higuys,i'mtryingtoinventaclothesironmadefrominductionforourfinalyearengineeringproject.canyougivemesomecircuitforitorsomecalculationsto
computetheamountofheattobegeneratedbyinductionheater.Pleasehelpme.AndhowcanIcontrolthetemperatureofinductionheater?
nateTuesday,26thNovember20134:47pm#5180
Idon'tmeantobeargumentative,justtryingtounderstand,butregardingmybuildwiththe1/8"coppertubingforaworkcoil:Whywoulditneedtobewater
cooledtokeepitfromheatingupwhenthecoilisempty?Howisitthatmineisgettingsohotwhenthecoilisempty,whileothers,likeDoug's(electronicsNmore)
video,forexample,showsitbeingusedwiththeworkcoilsittingonatowel,andbarelywarmafterusingittoheatsomething?Andinhisvideo,he'sonlyusing
12gasolidwire.I_thought_thattheworkcoilwoulditselfbeheatedonlybytheradiantheatfromtheobjectbeingheatedinsidetheworkcoil.Ismy3.5turncoil
(likeyourbrasstubedesign),withwhatIassumeisalowinductance,likelyresultingintoohighofafrequency,causingthecoiltoheatitself?Wouldyourbrass
coiloverheatwhileemptyifitwasn'twatercooled?Thanksforputtingupwithmystupidquestionsandthanksforthewebsite.
RMCyberneticsThursday,28thNovember201311:40am#5182
Peter,Addingzenerdiodesbetweengateandsourcepinscanhelp,butitisalsodowntowiring.Youneedtokeepeverythingveryneat,andhavesome
capacitanceclosetoyourtransistorstoo.
Ian,No,youneedtousesmoothedDC.YouneedtosethePWMfrequencylowsothatduringeachpulsethereistimefortheinductionheatertobeginoscilating
andstabalize.AlsomodulatingitproducesvoltagespikeswhichcandestroytheMOSFETsiftheyaretoofrequent.
Brad,TocontrolthetemperatureyouneedtomodulateitwithaPWMcircuit.
Nate,Evenwhenthecoilisemptythereisalotofhighfrequencycurrentflowingwhichwillheatitup.Therearelossesduetotheresistanceofthecoilandthese
arealsoexacerbatedbytheskineffect.Ifnotwatercoled,itwillsoonoverheat.
BradFriday,29thNovember20135:53am#5184
caniusethiskindofcoiltoyourcircuit?becauseineedtousethisinordertoheattheclothesironlikeininduction
cooker.
PaulFriday,29thNovember20138:27am#5186
DearRMCybernetics,Thisisn'taterriblytechnicalquestionasIhaven'tyettriedtobuildthisbeast,howeverI'llthrowsomethingoutandseewhatyouthink.
WhenIlookattheheatgeneratedbythisdevice,andrealizingthatonecouldoptimizethroughchoiceofmaterialtobeheatedandpositiontheinducedheat,
whenIfurtherconsiderthatyouhavewaterflowingthroughcopper"piping"asacoolingmechanism,wellifyouremovedtheheatsinkandpossiblyslowedthe
circulationofwatertoletthecopperpipingheatupabit,mightnotthismakeaniftylittlepersonalheaternowthatwinteriscomingon.The"radiator"heatwould
alsobethenondryingtypethatisniceinthedrywinter.SoamImissinganythingoristhisplausible?Hasanyoneonyourendfiddledwiththis?WhileIdon't
haveanengineeringbackgroundoreducation,Idohavesomeadvanceddegrees,IfIhaveagoatthisintheNewYearwouldyouconsiderofferingguidance?
ManyThanks,Paul
RMCyberneticsFriday,29thNovember201310:50am#5187
Brad,YesyoucanbutyouwillneedtouseourImpedanceMatchingTransformerKitasitwillletyoudriveasinglecoilwindingandwillallowforbetterpower
transfer.
Paul,Whilethatcouldwork,itseemsitwouldbeoverengineeringsomethingthatcouldbedonemoresimply.Youwouldbebetteroffheatingthewaterdirectly
usingasimpleresistiveheatingelementsimilartothatinakettle.
BradSaturday,30thNovember201311:20am#5189
Doyouhaveanytablesordataonwhatequivalenttemperatureifyouproduceavalueofpower?Imeanifyouproduce300watts,whatwillbethetemperature
ofthemetalinsidetheinductioncoil?
CanepaMonday,2ndDecember20131:17am#5190
Hi,Ihaveaproblemwithmyinductionheater,andittakesalongtimetoheatthepieceThecomponentsareL1=aprox2mHI'mnotsureL2=Idon'tknow(8
turns,12awgwire)Powersupply,batteryof12vmosfet30nf10fpdiode1n4007resistors220ohmscapacitors10x.01uF1600v
RMCyberneticsMonday,2ndDecember20133:42pm#5192
Brad,No.ThereareactuallyalotofvariablesthatwilldeterminetheworkpeicetemperauresoIcannotreallyhelpwiththat.
LasseTuesday,3rdDecember201310:46pm#5193
Hi,Iwaswonderinghowmuchcurrentthemosfetsdrawfromthe7812regulator?
RMCyberneticsWednesday,4thDecember20134:58pm#5194
The240ohmresstorslimitthecurrenttoamaximumof50mApertransistor.Theactualcurrentwillvarydependingonoperatingfrequency.
CanepaThursday,5thDecember20135:55am#5195
Usetwotypesofchoke,toknowwhatwasthebest,thefirstof19turns(12AWG),andthesecondof10turns(14AWG).Itturnedoutthatthebestwasthe19
laps,19turnsthechokewarmedfasterthan10turns.Donotknowifmyproblemisthecapacitorsthatareverysmall(.01uFx10)ormychoke.Myworkcoil
are8laps,use14gaugewire.Thepowersupplyisasimple12voltbattery.
JeffFriday,6thDecember20137:25pm#5196
Justpurchasedtheinductionheaterdrivercircuitandcan'tseemtogetitworking.Imademyowncoiloutof1/8
copperpipethatmeasuresoutto1.49MicroH.Iamusing2.22HFMicroFcapsforatotalof.44.Thiscalculatesoutto
198KFeq.ForthepowersupplyIamusinganOmrons8ps30024cd24V14APowersupplyandhaveitsetat22.2V
outputatthistime.TheboardLEDandfanpowersup,butnooutputatthecoilandonlymilliampsdrawfromthe
supply.WhatamImissing?
LasseFriday,6thDecember201311:25pm#5197
Hi,Icannotgetmycircuittooscillateafterputtingaregulatorinthere,likeinapost#4649.IfiguredthatIneedacondensatorafterthe7812regulatorand
probablybeforetoo.IwaswonderinghowlargecondensatorshouldIuse?
RMCyberneticsSaturday,7thDecember20136:47pm#5198
Jeff,YouneedtoconnectDIStoGNDtoactivatethecircuit.
Lasse,YoushouldalwaysaddacapacitorbetweentheoutputofavoltageregulatorandGNDasthishelpskeeptheoutputstable.Valueisnotcritical,but
somethingaround330uFisfine.
MichelSunday,15thDecember20134:13am#5199
HiIneedtodothesameproyectbutusingIGBTsDoIjustneedtochangetheMOSFETsforIGBTsusingthesameconfiguration????Thanks
HazemTuesday,17thDecember20132:40am#5200
Hello,IamprettymuchanoobieregardingthetopicbutIneedtosetupupaninductionheatercoiltoheatupanoilsampleformythesis.WhatIhavedoneso
forisconnectavariablefrequencyEMgeneratortoanamplifierandfinallytoacoppercoil.WhatIwashopingtodoistoseehowtheheatingchangesasIchange
thefrequency,howeverIbarelygotanyheatinguntilIputacapacitorinparallelwhicheventuallyburned.IsthereawaytomakeasetupwhereIcanstillusethe
generatortovarythefrequencyasIwantorwouldthefrequencystillsolelydependonthecapacitanceandinductanceofthecoil?
Michel,Asmentionedinthearticle,youcannotusemostIGBTsduetothemhavingalargevoltagedrop.
Hazem,youreallyneedthecapacitorwhichunfortunatelylimitsthefrequency.Theresonatingcoil/capacitorallowsforamuchstrongercurrentflowinthecoil.
Youwouldperhapsneedtomakeasetofdifferentresonatorstotryouteachfrequency.
BradSaturday,21stDecember201312:12am#5202
CanyoupleasetellmewhereIcanconnectthePulseGeneratoroutput(TwoREDdots)totheinductionheatercircuit
asshowninthepicture?Ifthetwocombined,doineedtosupply15VDCtotheinductionheatercircuitorthePower
pulsegeneratorwillsupplyit.Thanksforanswering.DoyouthinkthiswillworkifIfollowalltheratingsofyourgiven
circuits?
RMCyberneticsSaturday,21stDecember201310:58pm#5203
Notreallythebestwaytodoit,butyoucanjustconnectuptheinductionheaterpowerterminalsasifitistheloadontheothercircuit.Youwillneedtokeepthe
PWMfrequencyverylowthoughotherwisetheresonatormaynotgetchancetostartupbetweenpulses.
BradSunday,22ndDecember20139:01am#5204
PleasegivemeapictureofwhereIcanconnectitinordertocombinedthistwo.Please.Itwillbeveryhelpfulformetounderstandthis.Iusuallywanttobuy
yourdevicesbutyourplaceistoofaraway.:(
BradTuesday,24thDecember20138:10am#5205
youmeanlikethisconnectioninthepicture?doyouthinkIcanstillcontrolitstemperatureusingthatcircuit?
RMCyberneticsSunday,29thDecember20138:50pm#5206
No.LoadveshouldgotoGNDontheheatercircuit.Distanceisnotaproblemaswecandeliverourproductsworldwide.
BradMonday,30thDecember20131:34pm#5207
likethis?okI'lltrytoaskmymatestomakeuptheirmind.HappyNewYear.
BudMonday,13thJanuary201411:55pm#5209
newpersonhere,stumbledintothisarealookingforinfoaboutinductionheating.interestingstuff.iwilltrytokeepitshortbutneedtosharealittlesowhomever
replieswillunderstandwhatstartedthisforme,Iknewalittleaboutinductionheating,sawandadontvforthelittlecountertopinductioncooktop(nuWave)
boughtone,theyclaim70%lesspowertocooksomethingoverresistancetypestoves.SOooomyideawas,whynotuseacleverlydesignedinductionheating
elementtoreplacetheresistancetypeelementinawaterheater?hereisweremywebsearchbegan,nowI'mhere,anycommentsorideas,waterheatingisa
bigpartofahouseholdsconsumption,70%less(oreven3040%)wouldseemlikeagoodidea.Ithenheardthatthe"ondemand"waterheaterswereinduction
heated,isthistrue?comments,info,ideas.....?
ridwanTuesday,14thJanuary20146:10pm#5210
Man,thanksforthatsuperusefulandsimpledesign!IbuiltthecircuitasyourecommendedandIgotitoscillating.buttheproblemisusing15vpowersupply,I
amgettingasinewavewithjustaround2vpeaktopeak.Andthesecondproblemistehcircuitisnotdrawinganycurrent.some20mAisflowingthroughthe
gateresistors,butnonethroughthecoil.bythewayIbuiltthecircuitwithoutchockeanditisactuallyoscillatingatverylowamplitudeasIjustpointedout
above.Iwouldlovetohaveasmuchheatingcapacityasyours.mysupplyis30V,10A.
RMCyberneticsTuesday,28thJanuary20148:57am#5213
Bud,Energysavingsfrominductioncookertopsarebecasueonlythepanisheatedandlessheatiswastedbyheatingtheairaroundit.
ridwan,Youneedtoputachokeinit.OtherthanthatIcanonlyassumeyouhavenotbuiltasdescribed,orsomeofyourpartsarefaulty.
JedThursday,30thJanuary20144:08am#5216
hey,canIusealowcurrentpowersupply?likea250mAtransformercombinedwithabridgerectifier.Whydoweneedhighcurrent?
JedThursday,30thJanuary20145:14am#5217
bytheway,kindlyexplaintometheresonantfrequency?woulditbegoodifitslowerorhigher?BecauseIhaveatwotoroidinductorwithdifferentssizesand
planningtoconnectitonseriestoincreasetheinductancetolowertheresonantfrequency.Whatwouldbetheeffectoflowerresonantfrequencyinthecircuit
andviceversa?
RMCyberneticsFriday,7thFebruary20145:26pm#5225
Jed,No.Highcurrentisneededtomakeastrongmagneticfieldinordertoinducecurrentinthemetalworkpiece.Higherfrequencywillheatsmalleritemsand
heatthesurfacemorequicklyduetoskineffect.Athigherfrequenciesthetransistorswillbelessefficienthoweverduetoparasiticlosses.
JIMMYTuesday,11thFebruary20141:57pm#5226
Goodmorning,Ihaveadoubt,ifIwantedtoincreasethemagneticfield(upto90Gaussatleast)keepingthe
resonancefrequency=100kHz,whichshouldchange?Featuresthatcanbeused:coilwirediameter4mm,total
length1m,6capacitorsof0.33uFeach,resonancefrequency(shownontheoscilloscope)fo=100kHz,withthisthe
indutanciaofindutor1.27uH,tensionbetweenthecapacitors=voltageinthecoil(indutor)=V_entrada=41V(peak
topeak82ontheoscilloscope),doingsomecalculations:Z_equiv=sqrt((Rl^2+(Wo*L)^2)/((1C*L*Wo^
2)^2+(C*Rl*Wo)^2))I_entrada=V_entrada/Z_equivI_entradaIindutor=/(C*Wo*Rl)Rl:resistance
inductorobtainingthecurrentintheinductor(coil)of49AandusingthisinthesimulationprogramOpera3Dgeta
maximummagneticfieldof40gauss(Adjuntphoto)
RMCyberneticsTuesday,11thFebruary201410:57pm#5227
Higherinputvoltageandthereforemorecurrent.
JohnFriday,14thFebruary20143:13am#5229
Isitpossibletoconnecta20ampLitzwiretotheinductionheaterbysolderingasinglewirefromtheinductortothemiddleofthewindingofthelitzwirelikeona
nonlitzwire(coppercable)?orwouldthatshortthewireoutthanks.
RMCyberneticsMonday,24thFebruary20145:10pm#5230
ConnectingtheLitzWirelikethisisfine.
EngineerDWednesday,26thFebruary20146:41am#5231
Justcuriousonyourcapacitorarrangementonthisone.Ithinkthereasonyourcapacitorsaregettinghotisbecauseofhowthey'rewiredintothecircuit.
Normallyacapacitorbeingusedasaresonancecomponentiswiredinseriesorparallelwiththeinductor(s)they'remeanttoresonateagainst.Inthiscircuit,we
havetwomaincoils(theprimaryissplitinhalfatthecentertapandisessentiallytwocoilsplacedontopofeachother)andonlyonecapacitor.Inordertoget
eachcoilhalftoresonate,thecapacitorshouldbehookedfromthepositivesideoftheprimaryworkcoiltoground.Thisputsitintrueparallelwiththeinductorit's
resonatingagainstandwillcauseactualresonancetooccur.InotherinductionheatersI'veseen/built,themainworkcoilhasbeenasinglepiecedriveninACby
eitheranactualACsourceorahighpowered,complexinverterthatprovidedthesignalandwastunedtotheresonance.Themaininductorwasbridgedbythe
capacitorsothattherewasalwaysahighandlowvoltagereferencepoint.Whenthewaveformflipped,sowouldthevoltagelevelsacrossthecapacitorand
inductor.Inthisdesign,thecapacitorisessentiallyconnectedtoagroundandanopenterminal.Whenthewaveformswitches,thecapacitorswitchesit'sground
pinandopenpin.I'msomewhatsurprisedthiscircuitresonatesatall,letalonedoeswhatitdoeswithoutburningupintheprocess.Ibuiltthecircuitherewith
theonlymodificationbeingthatIusedtwocapacitorsinsteadofone.Eachcapacitorwentfromthecentertapoftheprimaryworkcoiltoitsrespectivemosfet
drain(soconnectedonesideofeachbetweenL2andL1andthenraneachtoamosfetdrain).Ipoweredupthecircuitandranitforseveralminutes(510)with
noadverseeffects.Iwasevenusingmylarcapacitorsandranmymosfetsusing1kresistors.Icouldn'tmakeitnotresonate.IevenusedthefirstdiodesIcame
across(endedupbeingZener)anditstillresonated.Soallthepeoplehavingtroublewiththis,Iwouldsuggesttryingtoputyourcapsinparallelwitheachhalfof
theworkcoil.LikeIsaid,Ihad"junky"parts(stuffthathasbeendeemedhereasnotfast/powerful/responsiveenoughtorun)andIcouldn'tmakeitnotrun.
Providedyouhavethepowersupply(can'tmakemiracleswiththat),thisthingwillhumrightalong,adjustingitselflikeit'ssaidtoandworkingjustfine.
adrianfazacasWednesday,26thFebruary20148:19pm#5232
Iwanttousethisdevicetoobtainhotwater.Thewaterpipethatwillbeintothecoilmustbefromcopperorsteel?thanks!adrian
DavidDumonThursday,27thFebruary20148:10pm#5233
Iplantousetheinductionheaterformeltingsmallamountsofcopper.Ihopetoreachtherequiredtemperature.ThecopperI'mtalkingaboutissmalldiameter
wire0.1to1mm.IplantouseaDCpowersupplythatcanbeadjustedbetween0and30Vandiscurrentlimitedto5A.Iwouldonlybemeltingsmallamounts
atatime.Tensofgramstomaybe100gramsmax.Doyouthinktheinductionheaterwillgetthematerialtotherequiredtemperature.Coppermeltsatjust
above1000degreesC.Iplantobuyabuiltmodelfromtheshoptoensurebestqualitybuild.
MattWednesday,5thMarch201412:12am#5234
David,it'seasytomeltcopperwithagoodinductiveheater,providedyou'reputtingoutenoughmagnetism.Onethingtonoteismagneticfieldstrengthofacoilis
dependentoncurrentandnotvoltage(B=(materialpermeability)*(current)*([numberofturns]/[coilinductance])).Youcouldhave5voltsor50voltsat5A
andthefieldstrengthwillbethesameforbothvoltagelevels.Ifyoureallywanttodumpsomegoodheatintothecoppertomakeitmelt,upyourcurrentthrough
yourprimaryworkcoil.Ifyou'reworriedaboutpowersupplywattageratings,useatransformertogetyourvoltagedownfrom24Vto6V(orwhateveryour
incomingisdowntoaslowavoltageasyoucansafelyswitch).Justinthisexample,you'llquadrupleyourcurrent(P=V*I)whichwillinturngiveyoumoreto
workwith.Inanycase,it'sthecurrentyou'llwanttomodulateandnotyourvoltage.Giveyourselfenoughvoltagetomakeyourcircuitwork(driveMOSFETsand
such)andletyourcurrentdoit'sthing.
DavidThursday,6thMarch20141:57pm#5235
Whatisthemaximumtemperaturethatcanbeobtainedwiththisheater?Assumethematerialtobeheatedisthincopperwire,variablequantities.Whatcanbe
adjusted(besidespower)totunetheheaterforthis.HowcanIachievetheoptimalsetupformaximumtemperature?
WoodsonTuesday,18thMarch20141:19am#5237
Ijustreceivedyourpowerandcoilmodulestotry.Acoupleofquestions.(1)NoscopecanIbesurethevoltagefor
theMOSFETsisunder100vbywatchingtheDCvoltageinputtothepowermodule?I'llputavariaconthetransformer
input.(2)HowmuchcapacitanceisgoodonmypowersupplyDCoutput?(3)Ihavecapacitorsfrominductioncookers
thatshouldbesuitable(Ithink)OKtoparallelsomeofthoseacrossthecoiltodoublethecapacitance(willthathalf
thefrequency)?Thanksforagreatsoundingandlookingproductandthanksforthehelp.Oh,thereddishcupnear
thecoilisfromaTIGweldingtorchandIplantoputitinsidethecoilaselectricalinsulationagainstshortingoutfrom
thepieceI'mheating.Thetransformerweighsover4.5kgsoIthinkitwillsupplygoodcurrent.
RMCyberneticsThursday,20thMarch201410:07am#5238
1.No,butitmightbeusefultowatchyourDCinputtoensureitneverdropsbelow12V.
2.Itwouldneedtobehuge.GoogleforPSUcapacitorcalculationsfordetails.
3.Yesyoucanparallelmorecapacitorsontoitwhichwillreducetheoperatingfrequency.
barrettTuesday,25thMarch20145:35am#5240
HeysoI'vereadthisarticleprobablyahundredtimesthesepastfewweeksandI'vebeensuperexcitedtoputoneof
thesetogether.I'mhavingabitofaproblemthough.Oneofmyirf540'swilloverheatandsmokealmostassoonasi
turniton.ThechokeIusedwasorginally61mHanditookabout2windsoff.Imeasuredmycoilatschooltobeabout
.2mHwhichIremovedanotherturnandahalffrom.Thecapsare.1uf1000v.AtfirstIdidnthavethelm781torthe
1n4740abutIhadthemandsawanotherschematicusingitsoIfigureditwouldn'thurt.Ioriginallytriedthedriver
circuitexactlyasthearticleonmybreadboardandigotthesmokesoIaddedtheextracomponentsandputitona
perfboardtonoavail.ItsprobablyworthnotingalsoitsonlyoneMOFSETthatgetssuperhotandtheotherdoes
nothing.NotsureifIwiredsomethingwrongorIfImdoingsomethingtoatallywrongorwhatsthedealbutanyhelp
wouldbeawesome.P.Sitsbeingrunoffa500wpsuwiththe12vrailatabout10A.ThefirstoneIusedwentto
protectthesecondonecausedtheheatproblems,
barrettTuesday,25thMarch20145:41am#5241
Here'sapictureofthephysicalcircuit
RMCyberneticsFriday,28thMarch201411:18am#5242
HereisavideosenttousbyDoug.Hereheshowsanexampleofusingapancakecoil.
BrandonSaturday,29thMarch20147:34am#5243
Hi,Igottheinductionheaterworkingatonepoint,butmycapacitorsstartedsmokingandnowtheybulgealittlebitatthesides.Thiswasafterrunningitfor
about3minutes.Iusedthesamecapacitorsthatareusedinthearticle.Anyways,soIreplacedthemwithMylarcapacitors,wouldthisbeokay?Also,oneofmy
MOSETSburnedupsoIfoundtheseIRFPS3810butitdoesn'tseemtobeworking,oneofMOSFETsgetsreallyhotandstartssmoking.Maybetheyaretooslow?
RobertoWednesday,2ndApril201411:00pm#5246
HiIambuildingyourinductionheaterprojectIused2capacde224k2mosfetIRF540N(optiontouseW40N20
mosfet)coil8turnesenameledcopper12awgBatt12v7ahcurrentconsumptionwhenpoweredup2,24to2,44AA
pictureofitisherehttps://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21484405/induction%20heater.JPGIknowIamusingtoo
littlepowerbutIwasexpectingatleastaminimalheatingofasmallmetalic(ferrous)pieceIplacedinsidethecoil.Ido
nothaveanoscilloscope,canyougivemesomesuggestionstoseeitworking?Perhapsasmallercoil,orperhaps
changethemosfettotheW40N20orjustrisetheinputvoltage.Alsochangethecappbankperhaps.Anyhintwould
beverywelcome.Tksforsharingthisinterestingproject.
RobertoThursday,3rdApril20147:54pm#5247
Hithisismysecondpost.Picuresofmyinductionheaterhavebennpostedonfirstpost.TodayImanagedtomakeitwork.BasicallyIchangedthepowersupply
froma12v7ahbatttoa24v2Atransformer(abletodeliverupto4Aaprox).WiththissetupImanagedtoseemyinductionheaterheatingupasmallnail.It
didnotgetredhotbutwashotenoughttovaporizewater.Thankyouforsharingthisniceproject.Ididtrywithasmallerdiametercoilbutthatdidnotmakethe
heatmorepowerfull.Isthereanythingbesideshighercurrentandvoltagethatcanmakeitheatupmore?TksRoberto
Brandon,Roberto,UnfortunatelyIcannotcommentoneverydifferentversionanddifferenttransistor/capacitoretc.PrettymucheverythingthatIcansayabout
gettingthisprojectworkinghasbeensaideitherinthearticleorcommentsalready.Haveagoodreadthroughandyoushouldgetreallyvaluableinformationfrom
thepostsofothersworkingontheprojecttoo.
BrianSaturday,5thApril20149:32pm#5251
Wow,I'vebeenstudyingthisprojectforsixmonths.Thankyoutoeveryoneinvolved.Iamdevelopinganinnovation
onthisandwonderabouttheeffectsoftheworkcoilontheothercomponents.Asyoucanseemydesigniscylindrical
withthecircuitwrappedaroundthecoil,outsideofaninsulatedcoppersleevemeanttoactasamagneticplanewave
attenuaterwiththepurposeofredirectingthefluxawayfromtherestofthecircuitandbackthroughthemiddleofthe
workcoil.Questions:1.Isitpracticaltoattemptabuildwithsuchsmalltolerancesorwillthefluxinterferewiththe
driver,prohibitingitfromoperating?2.Ifplanewaveattenuationisrealisticwouldthesleeveitselfneedtobe
grounded,isolated,biased?Thanksinadvance,Brian
BrandonMonday,7thApril20146:31am#5252
Hi,Iwasabletogetmycircuitworkingreliablyandwasabletogetakniferedhotinabout15seconds.Iusedallof
thecomponentsyouusedincludingzenerdiodesbetweenthesourceanddrainforprotection.MymainissueIthink
wasmytorroidcoreinductorthatIwoundmyself.Notreallysurewhatwastheissuewithit,butImadeanewone
andnowitworkslikeacharm.Thankyouforthearticle!
RMCyberneticsMonday,7thApril201411:42pm#5253
Brian,Thecoppersleevemightactlikeashortedturnifitisincloseproximitytothecoil.Itwouldbebettertohaveitsplitintoisolatedsectionstoreduceeddy
currents.
Brandon,thanksforsharingyourproject.Congratulations!
RobertoMonday,7thApril201411:44pm#5254
HiItookapictureofthecirctuiworkingandIwantedtoshare.Thankyouforsharingthisproject.Ifeededitwitha
littlebitmorecurrentandmanagedtogetanailredhotinaprox90seconds.Somecuriositiesifyouseemyproject
post#5246youwillseeIusedaligatorclipstoconectthemaincoiltothecircuit.LaterIreadinthearticlethatthese
conectionssjhouldbeshortandwithgooddiametercopperwire.Wellminejustweretoothin.ThinksgookwhenI
placeferrousmaterialinsidethecoil,butifIplacealuminumorcoppertheplasticinthealigatorclipsstarttomeltand
thealuminumpieceofthecopperdoesnotgethot.IdidseeonyoutubeaninductionheatermeltingaluminumsoI
thoughtminewoulddothisaswell.Workingcurrentisnowaprox5,25whengettingthenailredhot.
IanWednesday,9thApril20145:35pm#5255
HiRMCIhavemadeacoupleofheatersBothworkfine&I'mslowlymovingtowardshigherpowertogivequickerheatingofmyworkpieces.Iwishtousemy
USBoscilloscope&PCtoseethewaveformsaroundthecircuit&checkfrequencyetcCanyouadvisemewheretoconnecttheearthcliponmyprobetoonthe
circuitsoIdon'tfrymyscope?ShouldIuseax100probe(whenI'vemadeone)sothatIstaysafe?orwillstandardx10beokmypowersupplyis24VDC
(battery)Myfirstcircuitoscillatedat230KHzanddraws16amps.
RMCyberneticsSunday,13thApril20148:53pm#5256
NiceworkRoberto.Ian,Youwillprobablyneedmorethana10xprobetobesureofkeepingyourscopesafefromvoltagespikes.Puttheeathcliptothebatter
negativeterminalandthenyoucanmeasurethewaveformoneithersideofthecoil.Whatyouwillseeisonehaldoftheresonantsinewaveform.
BrianThursday,17thApril20146:46pm#5257
So,I'vebuiltafunctioningunitinmycylindricaldesign.Itvariablyheatsupdifferentsizedloadsbutnotquickly,and
nottocurietemp.Thehighpoints:12v30Apowersupplyfedfrom12v+(line)/12v(ground)Workcoilis#16magnet
wire,turns=4+4,wrappedonaglassbobbinandinsideacopperattenuaterwithanopencircumference.Choke8a,
100uFprefab(about3/4")Caps3each1000v.68uFpolypropyleneDiodesare4007's1000vResistorsare240ohm
1/2wcarbonfilmMosfetsareirfp260Iattemptedtochangethecoilto3turnsof#14barewire(noshortedturns)and
removedtheattenuaterandadiodepopped.Irebuiltthepriorcoil,replacedthediodesanditfunctionedagain.Doyou
thinktheunattenuatedEMFdestroyedthediode?Thoughtsonbeefingituptogettocurietemp?THANKS!
RobThursday,24thApril201411:20pm#5261
Iaminterestedinbuildingthiscircuitwithaloweroperationpower.Iwouldliketoheataferromagneticrod,letscallitanail,toaround200Candstabilizeitat
thattemperatureusingafeedbackloop.Isitpossibletousemosfetswithlowercurrentratingsandasmallercapacitorbankinordertoreachthislower
temperature?Heatingittoredhotiscoolbutnotnecessary.
BrianSunday,27thApril20146:20pm#5265
Ok,ThanksRMCybernetics!Ihavesuccessfullybuiltaheaterwith:12v30Aledpsuhookedto12+/12Chokeis14
turns#16magnetwireon20mmpowdercore4+4of#14magnetwireCapsare.68uF(usingbetween37atatime
inanattempttoincreasecurrentflowwithseeminglynoeffectonheating)Irfp260nmosfets1kv4007diodesas
suggested240Ohm1/2wattresistorsIdiduseanopenloopcopperattenuaterasnotedprior(Icutitalongitslength
soit'snotaclosedturn)Ihavegottenittoheatupprettyhotbutwouldliketopushitabitmore.Iattemptedtotake
turnsoffthecoildownto2+2(burneddiodes?)andbackupto3+3(diodessafe)butnomoreresultingheatthanI
hadbefore.Ithenreducedmychoketurnstoaslowas8beforeitfriedmyswitchesandbackupto12turnstoavoid
failure.Ihavenotbeenabletoreachcurieyet.Question:Isthereabalancetobestruckbetweenturnsonthechoke
andturnsintheworkcoilinordertoincreasecurrent?ItseemsmyPSUissufficient.....somethingistellingmeIneed
to,somehow,"openthefloodgates".Thanks(alot)inadvance,Brian
RMCyberneticsSunday,27thApril20147:41pm#5266
Brian,Diodesmightbefailingbecauseofvoltagespikesorbecauseoflossesathighfrequency(Frequencyishigerwithfewerturns).Tryaddingmoreparlle
cpacitancetobringdownthefrequencytoallowformorecurrent.
Rob,Useabiggerchoketolimitthecurrentormoreturnsontheworkcoil.
BrianMonday,28thApril20145:29pm#5269
ThanksalotRMCybernetics,Whenyousay"addmoreparallelcapacitance",doyoumeanlargervaluecapacitors?ormoreofthem?Igetthe"currentsharing"
effect....itismyunderstandingtheresonantfrequencyisdeterminedbytherelationshipofthecapacitanceratingandtheworkcoilinductance........so,larger
valuecapsandthenworkoutthecurrentsharingbyaddingmoreofthemtoreducecapacitorheatingwhereneeded?YOU'REAWESOME!!!!
BrianMonday,28thApril20145:37pm#5270
Iansweredmyownquestionbyreadingthe"pushingitfurtherportiononthecapconfiguration.Multiplyingcapsinparallelincreasestotalcapacitance.Cheers.
MosfetKillerTuesday,29thApril201411:39am#5271
Ibuiltthecircuitanditworkswell,butinsteadofthe240Ohmsiused20Ohms,whatreducedthemosfetstemp.IusetheseMosfets
http://www.vishay.com/docs/91482/sihg73n60e.pdf(600V,70A).TheChokeusedisainductorfromcoilcraftwith22uHand~2mOhmsresistance.Theproblemi
haveisthatthedevicedoesnotheataboveslightred,andiwantatleasttoreachcurietemperature.Itriedtousea10uFpulsecapacitorbutthecoilgetshotter
thantheworkpiece(10AWG!!!!!!!!).Anotherproblemistthaticantmeasurethefrequency,beacausethemultimeterdies,ifconnectedtothecoil,andonthe
gateitmeasures(probablywrong)4MHz.(Heatercoil:5+510AWG,capacitor:5*0.1uMKPor10uFPulseCapacitor).Doessomeonehaveusefultips?
karanFriday,9thMay20147:23pm#5272
HirmcyberneticsThankforyourexplaininDIYinductionheater.Iamfollowyouradvices,everythingisperfect.Iwouldliketoknow,IfIwouldliketoheatwith
nonferrouslikealuminum,silver,...DoyouhaveanyproductsthatsuitableforthiscaseorAnyproductscanheatmorethancuriestemperature?Thankin
advance.
heaterhotterSaturday,10thMay20141:33pm#5273
HiThisseemslikeagreatsimpleprojectandIamjustgettingtogetherthepartsnow.1questionaboutcapacitortype,wouldamicrowavecapacitorbesafetouse
inthiscircuit?Theyareratedforhighfrequencyand1000to2000v.8ufto.98ufOneexampleIhaveismeasuring0.977ufwithanesrof0.7257ohms,isthat
consideredalowenoughesrforthiscircuit?Mybiggestfearisoverheatingthismetalcancapacitorthatisfilledwithoilandblowingitup,burns,amess,bad
memories,thingstoavoid:)
RMCyberneticsMonday,12thMay20146:54pm#5274
karan,fornonferrousmetalsyouwillneedtotohigherfrequenciesandpowerlevels.Thislittlecurcuitwillstrugglewiththat.
heaterhotter,Nodontusethesecapacitors,theyarenotmeantforuseinthisway.
JohnMonday,12thMay20148:56pm#5275
Ihavebeenahomeconstructorformanyyearsbutamfairlynewtopowermosfetccts.IhaveseenotherdesignsbasedaroundthemazilliZVSdriverusing2
chokestofeedthedrainseithersideoftheworkcoilthusprecludingtheneedforacentretap.Doyouforseeanypro's/con'sforthisarrangement.
RMCyberneticsMonday,12thMay20149:10pm#5276
Itriedthismethodbutfounditwouldsometimesfailtoresonateproperlysowentwiththismethodinstead.Itmaywellworkokwithabitmoretweaking.
AndreiTuesday,27thMay20141:46am#5277
Ahhcan'tmakeittowork.Iused330ohmresistorsinsteadof240,plusthe7812tofeedthegates.Useda7uH~coilwithcentertap(7uHtotal).310nFdivided
into5capacitors,whatwouldgivearound108KHz.Butallitdoesitblowthefets.Ireadthatabigferriteinductorwouldnotbeaproblem,soIstartedwith8mH,
butsinceIalreadyblow2fets,Iwon'ttestagainbeforeIrealizewhatisgoingon.IusedaMOTwindedtogiveme16,8Vona25ampbridgeanda6800uF
capacitor.
EzzatThursday,5thJune20143:16pm#5282
Hi,I'vebeenreadingaboutinductionheatersforawhileandthisisbyfarthemosthelpfulpageIhavecomeacross
yet.I'mlookingintoinductionheatingasasolutionforaproblemIhavewithmyPhDproject.Ineedtoheata4"
hollowSScylinder20"withrefractorymaterialinside.MycalculationsshowthatIneed2KWofheat.I'massumingI
needabiggersetupthantheoneyouhavehere.Inyourexpertopinion,isiteasytobuildaheaterformysetup?I
haveattachedaPDFofthesetupsoyoucanhaveanideaofthesizeofthesetup(Ionlyneedtoheatthepart
highlightedinred)
RMCyberneticsThursday,5thJune20149:44pm#5283
2kWisnotgoingtobesoeasy.Wewilldoanotherprojectformorepower,butIcannotreallygiveanysuggestionsatthistime.
brandonFriday,6thJune20142:37am#5284
Whentalkingaboutthetoroid,isitokayforthewiresthatarewoundaroundittobeuninsolated,andalsotouching?Also,thisquestionmightbeasobviousasI
thinkbut,whatistheregulator?Iseethatsomeschematicshaveitandsomedon't.
Thewiresshouldbeinsulatedotherwisetheywilljustshortwhentouching.Theregulatorcanhelpgiveamorestablesupplyvoltagetothetransistorgates.
brandonMonday,9thJune20147:15am#5286
Quickquestion.Whichcapisbetter.OnefromaPCpowersupplyat330ufand200wv,oroneoutofamicrowaveat0.75uf+3%50/60Hzwith2100vac.The
microwavecapislargeI'dsay3inx2.5inx1.5in.StandinguprightitwouldbeHLW.ThecapfromthePCpowersupplyisacapaboutthesizeofthefirstnotchof
mythumb.Inotherwords,whatI'maskingis:issize,voltage,orufmoreimportant?
brandonTuesday,10thJune20149:23pm#5288
What'smoreimportant?Thevoltageofthecapacitor,thesive,orthecapacitance.
balajiWednesday,11thJune20142:13pm#5290
iamusing24volt15ampstoriodaltransformer15ampbridferectifierandfiltercapacitor4700uf60voltafter7824and
7812regulatorto220E1wattresistorstp30nf10FET5822shottkydiodeLC1mHinductor330nF275accapmycoil
isprettylargeafterconnectingiamgettingsmallamountofheatFETisgettingburntafterfewseconds.capacitorvalue
isokFETihavetoincreasevoltratingorcurrentrating.
RMCyberneticsWednesday,11thJune20143:32pm#5291
Brandon,noneofthosecapsaresuitable.Youneedgoodqualitypolypropelenecapacitorsoranequivalent.Thevoltageratingmustbeatleast200V,ideally400V
ormore.Capacitanceneedstobe1uFormore.
Balaji,Yourtransformersetupisnotsuitable.YouwillneedamorestableDCsupply.Thefiltercapacitoriswaytosmalltoaccomdatethecurrentdemand.
PeterThursday,12thJune20148:18am#5292
Greatarticleandagreatdevice.IhavebuiltoneoftheseanditworksOKwithmy2inchwatercooledcoil.IwouldlovetoadaptthistoasmallaresoIcananneal
smallbrass.AFluxconcentratorlookslikeagreatoptionbuthaveneverusedthistypeofsetupbefore.hasanyonegotanyideasontheseandwereIcan
purchasethemfrom?
balajiFriday,13thJune20148:35am#5293
hibrandenthanksforurreplycanupleasehelpmeoutputrectifierandfiltercircuitforthis.iamusing24volts15ampstoriodaltransformer.
simonSaturday,14thJune20141:14pm#5294
Hithere!nobodyclarifiesthatsoithoughticouldask.Yousella1kvcap,bythesizeicantellforsureisnotratedas1kvDC1kvdchighfrequencycapsareat
least22.5incheswithallotbiggerleadsandcostsatleast10$eachsowhatisitrated?Andwhatagoodratingforasinglecapwouldbesohewouldnotbe
heatedwithyourspecifiedcomponentsandwithletssaya30v15amppsu?Thanksrmcybernetics!greatproject!
aaronTuesday,24thJune20149:57am#5301
greatarticle.tryingtobuildthiscircuit,howevertheonlythingthat'sheatingupisR1&R2.anyideaswhythiswouldbe?
TrondTuesday,24thJune20141:36pm#5302
I'mcurrentlyusingtheCRO1andoneofthereadymadeworkcoilstoheatsomebrasscasing.Thecoil,however,isa
bitonthebigsidesinceIonlyneedtoheatthetop10mmofthebrasscasing.Thisresultsinaveryinefficient
heating.I'vetriedtomakesmallerworkcoilswhileincreasingthecapacitytokeeptheresonancefrequencyfairlythe
same.Itworkedtoadegree,untilIgotoverconfidentandmadethecoiltoosmallandkilledthetransistors(whoops..).
NowIorderedthematchingtransformerkit,andi'mgoingtoexperimentabitmorewiththis.I'dlovesomepointers
onhowtowirethingsupasastart.I'minitiallythinkingabouthaving10windingsontheprimaryside,andmaybe45
onthesecondaryside.Theworkcoilwouldneedtohaveaslittleas3windingstobeoptimal.Howmuchcapacitance
wouldineedforthis?WouldineedtotunetheLCtanktoabout100kHz?
GabenTuesday,24thJune20145:13pm#5303
DearRmcybernetics,Canyoupleaseshotlyexplainmetheworkingprincipleofthecircuit.TheinductionandEddycurrentisok,butIreallydon'tunderstandthe
switchingmethod.WhyaretheMOSFETsswitchingpermanentlyoneafteranother.Thereisnocontrolsignaloranything.Iknow,itisverysimple,butIdon't
knowhowitworks.Thankyouverymuch!
balajiSaturday,28thJune20144:55am#5306
HiSimonandbrendenthanksforurreplyIhavechangednewvaluesasuadvisedthat'sworksgreatthanksuguys
verybigthankstofatherofthisprojectrmc.
RobThursday,3rdJuly20145:23pm#5307
I'mhavingtroublesolderingthecapacitorbanktothecoil.Doyouhaveanysuggestions?
AndrewFriday,11thJuly20145:34am#5310
Isitsafetousea5VpowersupplyandanLM25775Vto12VDCConverterstepupVoltageRegulatorinsteadofthe12V30A360Wpowersupply?
BradMonday,8thSeptember20146:26am#5319
Ihaveaworkingcoilthatis130mmDIA,wantingtoheatasteelringID:115mm,OD:125mm,thickness:1mm.Iwouldliketobeabletoheattheringto100c
fromroomtempasfastaspossible(56sec).Currently,Ihavebuiltthecircuitusingthesamecomponentsasdetailed,theheatisthere,butitistakingaround
4550seconds.Ihavethemosfetsrunningfroma12VPSUandthecoilisrunningon22Vatabout7A.Doyouhaveanyideasorrecommendationsthatmight
helpthisgetclosertothespeedsIamtryingtoachieveorsteermeintherightdirection?Brad.
RMCyberneticsSaturday,13thSeptember201410:58am#5320
Rob,Youneedagoodqualitysolderingironandcleancopper.heatthecopperupandgetsoldertosticktothatfirst.
Andrew,No,itwontsupplyenoughpower.
Brad,Higherinputvoltageformorepower.
NickThursday,18thSeptember20149:35pm#5321
WoulditbepossibletoscalethistypeofcircuitsothatitcouldrunoffofasmallLibattery(say10V,1A)?I'minterestedinheatingsomethingwithroughlythe
massofapennytonomorethan200C.
Yes,butyoumayneedtouselogiclevelMOSFETsoratleastoneswithalowgatethresholdvoltage.
SebastianTuesday,30thSeptember20145:53pm#5324
IbuildthecircuitusingIRLZ44NMOSFETS.Thecoilismadeof1.7mmcopperwire(6turnswithadiameterof25mm).Forthecapsiuse2xVishay
BFC233922334wichmakes660nFtotal.Thegateresistorsare270Ohmones.Thecircuitoscillatesstableat250khz,whichisfine.Buteverythinggetsrelatively
hot.thecoil,thecapsandtheFETsgetatleastsohot,thaticanbarelytouchthem.iunderstandthatthecoilgetshot.buttheFETsshouldnotgethot,dothey?
Andwhataboutthecaps?theyshouldnotgettohoteither,ithink?!thanksinadvanceps.imdrivingthecircuitat12Vandabout2amps.wheniputa
screwdriverinthecoil,thecurrentrampsuptoabout3ampsandthescrewdrivergetshot
RMCyberneticsTuesday,30thSeptember20148:35pm#5325
Yep,thatisallnormal.
IanSaturday,4thOctober201412:09am#5328
HiRMCInowamrunningmyheatercircuitsuccessfullyfromacoupleofcarbatteriesinseries24voltsavailablemaxviaaPSUcircuit.NoloadDCcurrentis
about6amps,risingwhenmetalworkpiecesareinsertedintothecoil.Allnice&predictable.Ihaveaworkpieceloader/unloaderfitted&usetimermodulesto
switchontheoscillator&thentoinserttheworkpieceintothecoiltoheatitautomatically.Ihaveaproblemwhenrunningathighpower,Thetimermodules
seemtobeinfluencedsomehowandmytimedelaysareaffectedIsuspecthighfrequencyinterferenceontheDCpowerlinesIsthislikely&howwouldIbe
abletofilterthisoutofthetimercircuits?
RMCyberneticsSaturday,4thOctober201411:49am#5329
Youwouldneedtoshowushowyouhaveitallconnected.
ThomasSunday,5thOctober20149:28pm#5330
curiousifIwouldbeabletouseacomputerspowersupply?andalsowoulditbepossibletohavethepartslistsenttome?viacomment/email??..thanks
BabakTuesday,14thOctober20146:13pm#5332
Dearsir,RecentlyIhavebuiltthiscircuitanditworksprettywell,butIwantmorepoweroutput(about500w)!atfirst,isitpossible?secondly,ifyes,how?I
haveusedIRF3710.
GrahamThursday,23rdOctober20143:42pm#5335
Hi,i'minterestedinthisdevicetosealopticalfibresintoastainlesssteel(316L)component.Myprocessrequiresameltingpointofaround350degreesC.Isyou
deviceabletogeneratethiskindoftemperature?I'dpossiblyliketopurchaseanofftheshelfkit,ofinductionboard,coil,PS,coolingsystemetc....
chanTuesday,28thOctober201410:02pm#5337
Whatisatypicalefficiencyforthiscircuit(ie.percentageofinputpowerthatgoestoheatingtheworkpiece)?Also,anytipsforimprovingefficiencyotherthan
reducingthedistancebetweentheworkpieceandthecoilandusingaworkpiecethatisferrous
Graham,Yesitcanheatthingstothattemp.
chan,Idonothavethisinformation.
BabakFriday,31stOctober20149:04pm#5340
Mydiodesbecomingtoowarmandtheinputcurrentbecominglow,what'stheproblem?I'veuse1N4007andIRF3710.Thanks
RMCyberneticsSaturday,1stNovember201411:29pm#5341
The1n4007isnotveryfastsothisisprobablytheproblem.Useafasterdiode.
BabakSunday,2ndNovember20147:29am#5342
Youright,itseems1N4007has30usTRR,soitissuitableforfrequencieslessthan33khz...I'mgoingtotry1N5819duetoitsverylowTRR(lessthan10ns)...
Thanks.
clementThursday,6thNovember20143:31pm#5347
HI,I'mlookingforalowpowerinductionheater(about30to40w)Andafteracouplehoursofreading,studying,andsimulating,Ihavefoundthatthebestoption
formewastouseyourselfresonatingpoweroscillatorapplyinga100kHzPWM(rate70%off/30%on)ontheresisorR1etR2(gateofthemosfets)Itsshowing
goodresultswithLTSPICE,myquestionis:willitworkinreallife?ThanksinadvanceClement
HammadSaturday,8thNovember20149:53pm#5348
IwanttousethiscircuitinWirelesspowertransfer.Myprimarycoilisnotcentretaped,soisthereanywayicouldmangetomodifythiscircuit?Will2separate
chokesateachdrainterminalwork?
HammadMonday,10thNovember201410:04pm#5349
caniusetwochokeseachatdarainsofMosfet1and2tousecoilwithoutcentretape.
RMCyberneticsWednesday,12thNovember20143:19pm#5352
clement,AslongasyourPWMispullingthemlowtodisablethem,thenfloatingwhenhighsotheycancontinuetoresonate.
Hammad,YesIhaveseenitworklikethis,butIfounditwasabitmorefussyaboutthecoilsIattatched.Pleasepostyourresultsifyoutakethisapproach.
HammadWednesday,19thNovember20145:10pm#5357
iftheinductanceofL2(choke)isdecreasedthenpowerofheaterwouldbereduced?
WillWednesday,26thNovember20146:45pm#5359
HiRMC.Manythanksforalltheworkyouputthisproject.Ibuilttoyourspecbutusingthe4007diodes.Poweredfroma30v3Ampmaxbenchsupply.Things
startedtowarmupbutthensupplytrippedbackto5vandshowedadeadshort.Checkedthemosfetsandtheywerefried.Howcantheabovesupplyfry35amp
100vmosfets?
AhmadFriday,28thNovember20144:33pm#5360
ThankyouRMI'vereadmostofthecommentsIusethebattery12V33AIUsedIRFP250N200V30A214W
0.075OhmAND4Capacitors330n2000V+2Capacitors100m2000VAND7812and2zener(betweengateand
source)Butmosfetsstillheated,Iburned6Mosfetitried3differentchokeItried3differentinductorforL1theScrew
willbecomeredhotafter30sandmosfetdamagedafter50sandwheniusealargermetalthemosfetdamagedafter
20sthecircuittakeabout4Aand10AWhenloadImeasuredvoltageBetweenthetwosidesofL1andwas40Vcan
youhelpme?canyoutellmehowicanreduceorIncreasethevoltageonL1?Thankyou
WillFriday,28thNovember20148:30pm#5361
Hiagain,AfterabitofreadingandthinkingaboutitIrealisedhowIfriedmySTP30NF10s:ThemaxGateSourcevoltageisstatedas20v.Iprobablyatonetime
applied32volys.Whatweneedtoknowisthatthereare2posiblepowersuppliesneeded:1.Aregulatedorpwm'dgatedriversupplyminimumcurrent2.The
heatercoildriverPSUwhichcanbemuchbigger(like30vat30amps)Orasyousayusea16voltzenneracrossGateSourcetolimitthegatevoltagetothe
zennervoltage.(Cathodetogate,anodetosource)
RMCyberneticsMonday,8thDecember201411:14am#5366
Hammad,No.
Will,Lookatthediagraminthecomments.Itshowsa12Vregulatorusedforthegatedrivevoltage.
Ahmad,youneedtocoolyourtransistorsbetter.Usemuchlargerheatsinks.
WillWednesday,10thDecember20141:32am#5371
Thanksforthereply.ProblemIhaveatthemomentisthatitdoesn'tresonateinitially.With12vregulateditshowsashortcicuitandsoPSUlimitsthecurrent(to
methisimpliesnoresonnance)IfImomentarilydisconnectthefeedtotheinductorthenitresonnates!Anyideasplease?
WillThursday,18thDecember201411:10am#5374
JustwaitingforaHVscopeprobebeforeIstartonmark3!HowverebeenthinkingWhydoourcoilsrunsohotwhenthedomesticcookingversiondoesn'tand
theseareratedat2kW?
RMCyberneticsThursday,18thDecember20142:07pm#5377
Icouldnotsuggestwhyitdoesnotwork.YouarerightaboutthePSUshowingashortindicatingnooscilation.
Inductionhobsuseahighervoltageonthecoilsotheycanoutputmorepowerwithoutgettingashot.Heatlossinthecoil(ignoringeddylosses)isproportionalto
currenttimescurrenttimesresistance.AsPower=VoltstimesAmps,usinghighervoltagemeansyoucanhavethesamepower,withlesscurrent.Lesscurrent
meanlesslosses.Thisiswhypowerlinesdistributeelectricityathighvoltages.
ChermaSelvanSaturday,20thDecember20144:42am#5378
iwanttomakethiscircuitasbatteryoperatedone.Ifpossiblesendthedetailspls....Thetemperaturerangeof400Cisgoodforme..
DENNISSunday,21stDecember20144:07am#5379
Hello...Yourpatiencewithquestionsiswellappreciated...IneedtogofromRockwellharness40+to60+tohardentheflatedgeofknivesusedtocutpaper
receipts...Thematerialis21gaugetemperedsteel(90mmx8mm)...Ihaven'ttackledthemathinvoldedyetnorreadallofthethreadsoyourpatienceisgreatly
appreciated....Ihavea6/12V,210ampswithcablecarbatterychargeronhand...Goodenough?andifsoshouldIeliminatetherectifyingcomponents?.....Second,
myworkingcoilneedstobe90+mmlongandabout5/83/4diameterforthepiecetoentercompletely.....Ihavearollof14gaugewire...WouldIbebetteroff
usingtherecommended12gauge?.....IrealizethatverysoonI'mgoingtohavetotakealookatthemathandtrytofigureouthowandwhythissetupworks.
AnypointersfromwhatI'vedescribed...Thanks....Dennis
DENNISWednesday,24thDecember20147:59pm#5380
Hello....MycircuitisdoingsomethingwithoutblowinganypartssoIthinkit'shookedupcorrectly......I'vegota3/4inchdiaworkcoil(12turns#12wire,
centertapped),a5uf400Vcap,andmychokeis6turnsof#12wireonanOD1.5in.,ID3/4in,1/2inwidewhiteceramicdonut.....Mypowersupplyisacar
batterychargerwith6v/10A,12V/2A,and12V/10Aoutputs....Hereiswhatishappening....WhenIturnonthepowerwithanyoftheV/Aranges,ataspecifictime
intervalforeachpowerrange,themeteronthechargerwillspiketo12V,holdforacertainamountoftimeandthendropbacktozero....Whenitspikes,it
energizestheworkingcoil(youcanhearandfeelit)thenthepowersourcedropsbacktozero(Icanhearwhatsoundslikeabreakertripwithinthebattery
charger)thenafteraabout10secondsitpowersthecircuitonceagain....I'dappreciatesomepointers.....SinceIhaven'tfriedanyparts,IthinkIcanbegintrying
differentchokes...WhatIamnotsureaboutisifmycombinationofpartsisnotallowingoscillationorifmysupplyisnotadequate....Ihopetohearfromyouand
havetheverybestoftheholidayseason.....Dennis
RMCyberneticsWednesday,31stDecember20141:35pm#5383
Donotuseabatterycharger.Youneedaproperpowersupply.Itseemslikethebatterychargerhasovercurrentprotectionandiscuttingout.
LucaMonday,19thJanuary20158:07am#5393
ifiusetheoriginalschematiccanIhavea70VDCpowersupplyorimustmakesomemodify?iTryat30VDCanditisok,butialwayshaveacompsumationof2A
atthesecondaryofthetrasformer,canieliminatethehingcompsumationatstandby?
No,theMOSFETswouldbedestroyed.Ifyouwanttodisabletheoutputtemporarily,connectthegateterminalstoground.
LucaMonday,19thJanuary20154:23pm#5396
thankyou.iforgettotellyouthatiusemosfetIRF640N,theyhaveVDSS200VandIdcurrent18A.Ithinktheydon'tdestoryedmosfetconfimmethankyou
MikeTuesday,20thJanuary20152:30am#5397
AspartofmyongoingstudiescouldIusethiscircuit(morerealisticallyyourmodule)todrivealarger,multiturncoil(airgaptransformer?)tobuilda
demonstratorforInductivePowerTransferofaround1kW?Ifso,whatdoIneedtobe'wary'ofintermsofthecoilspecification/design&also,whatistheupper
DCvoltagelimitforthecurrentcomponents?Thankyouinadvance.
MatthewTuesday,20thJanuary20155:42pm#5398
HiRMcybernetics,Iamcurrentlylookingtobuildalowpowerversionofthisheater(15v0.5A).I'mawarethatIwillnotseeanythingclosetotheresultsofthe
original.Isawthatyoumentionedthattheworkcoillengthandchokelengtharethevariablesthatlimitthecurrent.Isthereanypracticalwaytodeterminethe
coilsizeIwouldneedotherthantrialanderror?Anthelpwouldbeappreciated
RMCyberneticsSaturday,24thJanuary201511:57am#5401
Mike,therearealotofvariablesinvolvedwhichisallbeyondthescopeofthisarticlesoicannothelpwithyourproject.
Matthew,itmaybeeasiesttosimulateitbyadjustingtheparametersinthespicemodelinthearticle.
LucaSunday,25thJanuary20159:30pm#5402
Hi.ihaveaproblemwiththecircuit.ihaveapowersupply15vccintheinductorandanotherpowersupplyforthe12vinthegatemosfet,thegroundisin
common.whenistartupthesytemiseethewaveinthedrainfothemosfet,butthefrequencycontinoustoincreaseandin5secondsoneofthetwomosfetgo
inshortcircuit.ihaveacapacitorof1uf275vacx2forresonation.whatistheerrorforyouropinion?thankyou
FelipeTuesday,27thJanuary20152:57am#5403
Willthisbeusefulsomehowinbuildingupafooddehydrator?
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