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VICON questions for you 4100W hands

So I was hoping that someone could better describe to me the VICON system. I have a
basic idea of what is going on there but what is the benefit? What are the cons? I have
also heard there is a warm up process? Is this true and what is it? You will have to
forgive me as the only experience I have on friction rigs is with Americans. Also I have
heard lots of horror stories that 4100s are notorious for allowing the boom to slowly
creep down (operator error I know the crane isn't doing it by itself, but how does this
BigIron25 even happen? And so frequently with good operators?) also any other stories,
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knowledge and or advice about these cranes would be great! I'd love to see pictures of
Joined: Oct 12, 2008 different operator station setups too, as the controls in the Americans I have run have
Messages: 194 never been the same in any two cranes haha. Thanks gents!
Location: Missouri
BigIron25, Apr 12, 2013 #1

stole this from another forum, it is one of the best descriptions of the VICON systems i
have read and saves a lot of typing

torque converters do not offer an infinite array of speed and torque ,the two run hand
in hand.unlike the newer machines that have variable displacement pumps and motors

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Big Iron in a hydrostatic system that allow you to have full line pull at an idle a converter system
Well-Known Member does not . a torque converter is basically a pump but it depends on engine rpm to

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deliver maximum power, like your car you gotta give it gas to make it go (link
Messages: 202 belt,American,bucyrus). the vicon system allows you to control the output of each
Occupation: torque converter with an outside source-direct lever and linkage(Johnson bar)or air
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cylinder fed by combination friction levers.imagine your car on the steepest hill and you
Location: Oregon
had a lever in it that would allow you to stall the car on the hill without using the
brakes and the engine running wide open,pull it back the car starts up the hill,let off it
a little bit it stops, let off a little more and it starts backing down the hill.manitowoc
vicon cranes depending on model could have 1,2 or 3 converters.i have been using this
explanation for a long time trying to teach new apprentices.it blows their mind to see
you pull a lever and the load goes up or down depending on the weight on the hook

Big Iron, Apr 12, 2013 #2

Hey, as far as warm up, all operators fire up their cranes before starting work or at
least I do after checking everything out, that is per say the warm up process. a 4100's
converter oil is plumbed into heat exchangers that cool the oil thru the radiator so
when the engine gets warm the converter's oil is also. (Boom creep) had that happen
once, the 4100's have a hydraulic boom hoist system connected to a worm gear, dang
good setup, the problem I had was the actuator on the pump was slightly out of
Operator4100 adjustment so no problem. these were the best cranes I've ever been on on, peacefull
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in the cab not as noisy as as the 4000's, and one of my likes was you could stand up in
Joined: Aug 5, 2011 the cab without having to opening the door or getting out to stretch your legs. these
Messages: 97 new cranes are nice and all but give me a 4100 any day, wonderful machine. I believe
Location: Northeast Georgia
the other guy explained the converter for you. the 4100's, 4000's, 3900,s are all
different from the americans, linkbelts, bucyrus-erie. I had a picker operator tell me he
just didnt understand how you pulled the hoist back to go up and then to go down you
pulled the hoist back , I just smiled at him...

Operator4100, Apr 13, 2013 #3

Unlike the 4000W, with the 4100W’s VICON the hoist levers themselves are the levers
that allow the torque to be applied to the clutches, which engage the drum surface. At
about 6% engagement, [the first felt detent as you pull it back] there’s not enough
torque to even lift the ball. The ball will lower slowly with the brake pedal off. Add
some more stroke, pulling the hoist lever further back, or more rpm, for more torque,
and the ball will stop and begin to go up. So at the same time that the stroke of the
gostr8r lever is affecting the amount of torque applied for lifting/lowering and or holding a
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load, so is the rpm too. For example, at say 25% stroke and at an idle a 4100W might
Joined: Jun 21, 2011 lift a 2 yard bucket of mud, but at the same stroke and more rpm it’ll lift a lot more
Messages: 259 than that. Holding the rpm steady while feathering the hoist lever to various positions,
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gives you great control over the load as far as wether it goes up, down or stays still. I
Full time crane operator for
Crane Rental Corp sin added a strip of duct tape to my consoles along side the slots between the 2 hoist
Location: Orlando, Fl. levers. I marked along it the percentages of throw, from the first detent at 6% to

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100%, and I learned as the work progressed how much stroke was needed to lift
certain loads based on an rpm of my choosing. I found it easier to vary the hoist lever's
movements more smoothly and more controlled than to vary the throttle speeds. A
sudden rise or drop in rpm can really have a unfavorable affect on the load if you’re not
ready to readjust the lever to compensate for that. In a lift I was sure about, as far as
how much rpm was needed, I could set the throttle a bit above that mark, and then
feather the hoist lever to make that load rise, or stop without holding it with the brakes,
or lower slowly. For holding a load still for more than a few seconds the proper rpm,
but using '100% stroke' is very helpful too, so you can use the free right hand to
operate the boom lever. Many ways to work it to your personal preferences! For
lowering loads a long distance I’ll set the rpm at a speed that will allow lowering at a
safe speed with the lever at 'full 100% engagement', then use the right hand again to
keep the boom point where I want it and know that the load lowering speed is steady
and the clutch lever is not going to accidentally fly back to neutral.
Last edited: Jun 9, 2013

gostr8r, Jun 9, 2013 #4

gostr8r said: ↑

Unlike the 4000W, with the 4100W’s VICON the hoist levers themselves are the levers that
allow the torque to be applied to the clutches, which engage the drum surface. At about
6% engagement, [the first felt detent as you pull it back] there’s not enough torque to
even lift the ball. The ball will lower slowly with the brake pedal off. Add some more
dbl612 stroke, pulling the hoist lever further back, or more rpm, for more torque, and the ball will
Well-Known Member stop and begin to go up. So at the same time that the stroke of the lever is affecting the
amount of torque applied for lifting/lowering and or holding a load, so is the rpm too. For
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example at say 25% stroke and at anClick idletoa 4100W
expand...might lift a 2 yard bucket of mud but
Occupation: crane operator
proper explanation and procedure. thats exactly how it works. incredibly operator
Location: torrington, ct.
friendly and versatile in operation. no brake wear or adjustment.

dbl612, Jun 9, 2013 #5

gostr8r said: ↑

Unlike the 4000W, with the 4100W’s VICON the hoist levers themselves are the levers that
allow the torque to be applied to the clutches
4000w were great machines, but the early ones that had the VICON bar that had to be
Blmreject pulled to transfer power through the converter could be a handful. Holding that bar
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back made for a long day. Then anytime you needed some boom it would lock the
Joined: Nov 28, 2011 boom and hoist together. I love them, but you sure earn your money.
Messages: 74
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The one thing I don't like is trying to find that exact spot you had the bar if you need a
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701 half inch down after sitting in one spot for a while.

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Location: Northwest, oregon

Still take one over just about any new machine

Blmreject, Jun 9, 2013 #6

Well this is a favorite topic for me. I love the VICON control. It was explained to me in
1982 by a great old crane operator named Al Fox. It was on a 1969 4000 that I ran for
a few years back then. I have had a good career on Manitowocs because I understand
the VICON system and use it the way it was designed to work. I rarely see an operator
use it with constant rpm. Lots of brake squeal and throttling up and down, it drives me
crazy! I explain it like Big Iron. The car on a hill thing. The 4100 is definitely a
Cletus gentleman's machine.
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I like to put clam controls on so the hoist levers stay in detent. It's an old habit from
Joined: Mar 27, 2008 the 4000 and 3900 days of leaving the friction in for safety.I would rather run that 1969
Messages: 76 4000 than bust my ass on a brand new ripper cat! The way the seat is in a 4000 you
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can have your reading material on your lap and no one is the wiser.
Operator of Older
Equipment, Old Equipment Cletus, Jun 10, 2013 #7
Operato
Location:
Moose Crossing, AK

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