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The2-ways valve closes when cooling is not

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a nity laws, for a constant impeller diameter and

variable speed, new ow= old low x (new speed/
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beyond that initial and running cost issues in

terms of power saving and installation cost  vfs
pumps are so expensive comp to constant speed
ones

pipng cost as high ow requires large diameter

pipes even schedules sometimes play a role

things are interrelated 1st 2 lines i guess the

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used to control two separate refrigerant circuits
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