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SHORT- Re: Ar-15 to bullpup conversion

N-SASSY « Reply #60 on: Fe bruary 26, 2015, 12:57:35 AM »
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Bullpup Quote from: 908ssp on February 20, 2015, 06:58:57 PM
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C ute vide o shows a re al se nse of hum or. . . .
O ffline
908ssp,
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In retrospect, you read Faxon Firearms' playbook, well!
I confess to misreading Nathan's Court jester expression, in the short video

(https://www.facebook.com/FaxonFirearms/posts/557934281010341). Truth is: Upon reading the accompanying statement, "Tune in Monday
2/23 for the next step forward in ambidextrous weapons platforms, . . .", I was reminded to the words of Bullpup Forum Member, Longziz,
"From a history point of view, this counter intuitive approach was having criticism starting at the day it was born. That is, you can only
satisfy left-handed or right-handed shooter, but not both." --- (http://bullpupforum.com/index.php?topic=386.msg1607#msg1607) and to the
truly ambidextrous weapons platforms, both, his Longziz #1 Prototype and the Beretta ARX-160 Assault Rifle represent (See Reply #45, above)
--- not to mention the fact that we're well into the 21st Century!
https://bullpupforum.com/index.php?topic=6146.60 1/22
In that you've already ordered an ARAK-31 upper, I will await your description of the procedure required to switch ejection, from right side to
left side, and back.
I sidestepped the AR-15's left- / right-side ejection by orienting the weapon 90 degrees right, resulting in downward ejection --- resting the
carbine-length buffer tube assembly over my shoulder ---
You're on-track to achieve approx. the same shoulder-to-muzzle length with the Faxon Firearms upper receiver ---
if you shorten the butt end of your lower receiver, a couple inches ---
And, I can envision a left-to-right/right-to-left swiveling curved cheek piece riding on the ribs of the Picatinny Rail ---
with the rear end attached to the top of the lower receiver butt plate, designed to ride flush with the Picatinny Rail.
Bottom Line: It's 2015! Anyone picking-up a Bullpup rifle, today, should be able to fire it from the shoulder that suits him/her best, without
disassembling the weapon. In short: What was acceptable in the 20th Century, is old hat, today ---
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908ssp Re: Ar-15 to bullpup conversion

Me m be r « Reply #61 on: Fe bruary 26, 2015, 01:09:31 AM »
O ffline
The picture you posted of my aluminum ARAK-21 lower is an inch too long. The 2nd generation with the delrin lower is right at the legal limit
Posts: 151 one inch shorter than the gun above. I starter work on another ARAK this one in 300BLK. I am taking another approach with it I'll show it
when I am done I don't like to show work in progress if I can help it.
I do sympathize with your being a lefty and while you may not care for them both of the Kel-tec guns are full ambidextrous at leat that is
my under stand. I talked to someone who had done training with the RFB and his complaint was that be ejecting the brass forward he was
stepping on it during house clearing drills. He found that most disconcerting. The new one also ejects the brass dow but at the back not
sure if that does anything for the problem of stepping on the brass.
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SHORT-N-SASSY Re: Ar-15 to bullpup conversion

^ « Reply #62 on: Fe bruary 27, 2015, 10:20:38 PM »
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O ffline Is there a Faxon Firearms 6.5mm Grendel-chambered ARAK-21, on the horizon?

Posts: 1,805
(http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthread.php?9824-Good-News-from-Faxon-Firearms!).
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Me m be r « Reply #63 on: Fe bruary 28, 2015, 01:28:35 AM »
O ffline
I have no idea. They have 5.56, 300blk, 7.62x39 and in a few months a whole new upper in 7.62x51. I suspect that given time the 7.62x51
Posts: 151 can be offered in numerous other calipers as long as the overall length and diameter are within the specs of the 308. Personally I have very
little interest in more calipers and I imagine others feel the same way. My 300blk will see very little use compared to me 223 or even my 308
and I have no desire at all to build a AK round rifle.
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N-SASSY « Reply #64 on: Fe bruary 28, 2015, 05:30:23 PM »
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Bullpup Quote from: SHORT-N-SA SSY on February 11, 2015, 11:14:24 A M
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. . .
O ffline ". . . upper receiver comes with ejection windows placed on both the right and left side, and it will be up to the user to select which side he/she will want his/her rifle to eject." --- See
all4shooters.com Link, above.
Posts: "The Bolt in this rifle will function in both right- and left-hand configurations." --- ARAK-31 Ambidextrous From Conception (http://youtu.be/a7voyz1Ll_8) (Jump to 9:00 - 9:25). That sounds like
1,805 21st Century engineering, but a video detailing the change from right-to-left ejection would be helpful. . . .
I checked Faxon Firearms Facebook, today, and found this --- "With our new Ambi Ejection Window ARAK-21 uppers, left handed users such as
Chris Tran will be able to rotate the bolt 180 degrees and have a left side ejecting upper." ---
(https://www.facebook.com/FaxonFirearms#!/FaxonFirearms/photos/a.181309312006175.44583.175993945871045/561090950694674/?
type=1&theater)
In view of the above, that's about what I expected.
Now, the question remains, What is the required procedure for rotating the bolt 180 degrees?
ETA:
I just noticed our Site Ranking is #11
« Last Edit: February 28, 2015, 05:36:55 PM by SHORT-N-SASSY » Logge d

^ « Reply #65 on: March 01, 2015, 12:38:01 AM »
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O ffline Quote from: SHORT-N-SA SSY on February 24, 2015, 11:52:06 A M

Quote from: SHORT-N-SA SSY on February 20, 2015, 11:26:42 A M
Posts: 1,805 (https://www.facebook.com/FaxonFirearms/posts/557934281010341)
FaxonNathan,
RE: (https://www.facebook.com/FaxonFirearms/posts/559539754183127).
OK, so the ARAK-21 now shares with the upcoming ARAK-31 left- and right-side ejection ports. Great!
Now, what is the procedure for changing the ejection side, from right to left and from left to right? A video would
be helpful.
And, under the heading of Looking ahead. Does the Bolt head on the ARAK-31 have enough beef in it to allow opening-up the Bolt
face to accept the .534" rim diameter of short magnum cartridges?
Lastly, can you provide our Bullpup Forum a tentative date that Faxon Firearms expects to release a Bullpup Lower for the ARAK-
31?
Thanks.
In the absence of a response, to date, I did some research and found a brief description of the procedure for changing the ejection side
from right to left: Disassembly is required --- (http://www.ar15news.com/2015/02/24/new-faxon-firearms-ambi-ejection-port-
window-upper/).
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Projectile Motion Re: Ar-15 to bullpup conversion

Me m be r « Reply #66 on: March 01, 2015, 10:08:54 AM »
O ffline
Quote from: 908ssp on February 26, 2015, 01:09:31 A M
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I really dig your latest design. You said it was delrin? how stiff does it feel? how did you do the magwell? Did you add an extra take-down
pivot point in front of the pistol grip to take some of the recoil?. You said before that takedown was complicated, but it looks like you can
just take the upper half off. Any pics of it disassembled or what you did to the upper half for that new pivot point?
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Me m be r « Reply #67 on: March 01, 2015, 11:50:07 PM »
O ffline Yes the first version with the aluminum lower was more complicated. This version with the Delrin lower separates with the removal of the
three pins. The lower is still more complicated than your typical AR but not much more than say a Tavor. I milled most of the material from
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the mag well and filed out the rest. Not all that difficult with Delrin a bigger pain with the aluminum. Delrin is pretty stiff more than your
typical nylon. It machines really nice and leaves and very attractive finish.
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N-SASSY « Reply #68 on: March 02, 2015, 12:32:06 AM »
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Bullpup Quote from: 908ssp on March 01, 2015, 11:50:07 PM
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. . . De lrin is pre tty stiff m ore than your typical nylon. It m achine s re ally nice and le ave s and ve ry attractive finish.
O ffline
Indeed. Delrin was my choice for experimental sabot ammunition, back in the 1970s ---
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1,805
908ssp,
A couple questions:
What's the weight of your Delrin lower, complete with trigger-to-sear linkage intact?
What's the overall length of your ARAK-21 upper-16" barrel assembly (from back end of upper, to muzzle end of barrel, not including flash
hider?
Thanks!
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^ « Reply #69 on: March 02, 2015, 04:08:48 PM »
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O ffline In view of Faxon Firearms' decision to name the 6.5mm Grendel "The next caliber" on their list of ARAK-21 chamberings
Posts: 1,805
(http://www.faxonfirearms.com/t/faqs), I today E-mailed the following Message to Faxon Firearms President, Bob Faxon:
Subject: Finally, an auto-loading 6.5mm Grendel Bolt-Barrel Extension done right !!
"Mr. Faxon,
"Time was ---
"Now, Faxon Firearms has designed a proper Bolt-Barrel Extension for the 7.62x39mm/6.5mm Grendel cartridge
(http://www.guns.com/2015/02/24/faxons-got-new-7-62x39mm-and-fully-ambidextrous-araks/) ---
"Looking forward to the upcoming 6.5mm Grendel ARAK-21 !"
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^ « Reply #70 on: March 03, 2015, 07:25:10 PM »
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O ffline And, under the heading, A picture is worth a thousand words ---
Posts: 1,805
https://www.facebook.com/FaxonFirearms/photos/pb.175993945871045.-2207520000.1430374289./562893493847753/?
type=3&theater
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/98797785549992997/
Check out this 3D-printable Bullpup for AR-pattern uppers (http://www.guns.com/2014/05/25/check-out-this-3d-

printable-bullpup-for-ar-pattern-uppers/) --- "The Faxon ARAK really is the perfect centerfire upper for the Hanuman lower. The
big, easy reason is that it doesn't use a buffler assembly. . . . The flattop receiver can be covered with rail panels for comfort . . ." ---
(Troy 6.2" Rail Covers, shown above, for example)
And, Faxon Firearms is presently working on Ejection Port covers.
I can't wait to see their upcoming Bullpup Lower !!!

« Last Edit: April 30, 2015, 05:44:14 PM by SHORT-N-SASSY » Logge d

O ffline
Quote from: SHORT-N-SA SSY on March 02, 2015, 12:32:06 A M
Quote from: 908ssp on March 01, 2015, 11:50:07 PM
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. . . De lrin is pre tty stiff m ore than your typical nylon. It m achine s re ally nice and le ave s and ve ry attractive finish.
Indeed. Delrin was my choice for experimental sabot ammunition, back in the 1970s ---
908ssp,
A couple questions:
What's the weight of your Delrin lower, complete with trigger-to-sear linkage intact?
What's the overall length of your ARAK-21 upper-16" barrel assembly (from back end of upper, to muzzle end of barrel, not
including flash hider?
Thanks!
I haven't weighed it without the upper, scope and flash light. I think is was around 8 lbs but I'll have to weigh it again. It is 26.1" without
the comp.
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O ffline
Quote from: SHORT-N-SA SSY on March 03, 2015, 07:25:10 PM
Posts: 151 And, under the heading, A picture is worth a thousand words ---
https://www.facebook.com/FaxonFirearms/photos/a.181309312006175.44583.175993945871045/562893493847753/?
type=1&theater
Check out this 3D-printable Bullpup for AR-pattern uppers (http://www.guns.com/2014/05/25/check-out-this-3d-

printable-bullpup-for-ar-pattern-uppers/) --- "The Faxon ARAK really is the perfect centerfire upper for the Hanuman lower.
The big, easy reason is that it doesn't use a buffler assembly. . . . The flattop receiver can be covered with rail panels for comfort
. . ." ---
(Troy 6.2" Rail Covers, shown above, for example)
And, Faxon Firearms is presently working on Ejection Port covers.
I can't wait to see their upcoming Bullpup Lower !!!
I don't understand this printable lower. Someone posted that a couple weeks ago and the page isn't new. I also emailed with someone I
think said they printed either it or another lower and it was not a working lower. I might just be mixing things up but to say here you print
this lower and not show a finished plastic lower just a computer render... well it screams fake. I want to see the lower not some more
drawings.
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^ « Reply #73 on: March 04, 2015, 12:52:29 AM »
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O ffline Quote from: 908ssp on March 04, 2015, 12:43:46 A M

. . .
I have n't we ighe d it without the uppe r, scope and flash light. I think is was around 8 lbs but I'll have to we igh it again. It is 26.1" without the com p.
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Thank you.
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^ « Reply #74 on: March 04, 2015, 01:33:19 AM »
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O ffline Quote from: 908ssp on March 04, 2015, 12:49:03 A M

. . .
Posts: 1,805 I don't unde rstand this printable lowe r. Som e one poste d that a couple we e k s ago and the page isn't ne w. I also e m aile d with som e one I think said the y printe d
e ithe r it or anothe r lowe r and it was not a work ing lowe r. I m ight just be m ix ing things up but to say he re you print this lowe r and not show a finishe d plastic lowe r just
a com pute r re nde r... we ll it scre am s fak e . I want to se e the lowe r not som e m ore drawings.
908ssp,
Like you, my experience has been with traditional machining of metals and plastics, not printing parts. Nevertheless, I find the
concept of a printable Lower Receiver intriguing, on a number of counts.
Moreover, from the numerous examples shown on the Internet, I chose the white/see-through example shown on this Page, not only
because it details the basic functionality of the moving parts, but also, because it best represents the minimal shape, size necessary to
work, efficiently, with the ARAK-21, ARAK-31 Upper Receiver assemblies.
And, I hope the respective Bullpup Lowers that finally emerge from Faxon Firearms are not too dissimilar.
Lastly, it's an exciting time to be a Bullpup Enthusiast --- and, my hat off to Bob Faxon for joining the Bullpup Revolution!
Logge d

O ffline
Hey S-N-S if you see a picture of a a real printed working lower please link it here. I haven't seen one. I can appreciate the CAD drawings
Posts: 151 don't get me wrong. If I could afford a plastic printer I'd make use of it that is not the issue. My issue is I think this printable lower is only
real on the internet. Where is a test of a finished working gun?
Logge d

^ « Reply #76 on: March 05, 2015, 02:49:53 AM »
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O ffline 908ssp,
Posts: 1,805
Now, I've heard of 3D-printing of plastic parts, in the past, but what piqued my interest was a Post on the Faxon Firearms Facebook
Page (https://www.facebook.com/FaxonFirearms/posts/500280346775735:0?_rdr) I came across about a month ago, in the course
of researching the upcoming ARAK-31 (http://bullpupforum.com/index.php?topic=6146.msg75240#msg75240). In short: I
envisioned a similar compact, lightweight Bullpup Lower Receiver for the ARAK-31 --- with a 20" barrel, chambered for the 6.5mm
Creedmoor cartridge!
Re your request for a test of a finished working gun, some quick research turned up these videos:
3D printing an AR15 Lower receiver (http://youtu.be/6oJ9Bgj6m0I);
DefDist Printed AR Lower - Part III (http://youtu.be/tAW72Y_XPF4).
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O ffline
We must not be speaking the same language. I have seen the printed AR lowers. I have not seen a printed bullpup lower.
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SalsaShark037 Re: Ar-15 to bullpup conversion

O ffline
908ssp,
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I have printed the Hanuman AR-15 bullpup lower. Sadly I didn't get any pictures while out shooting, but it works with my ARAK-21. I printed
it with a 3" extension on the butt to satisfy the 26" overall length requirement. It is designed to be printed and easily assembled with even
the smallest printers, so it involved gluing a bunch of small parts together. ABS isn't an easy thing to get to adhere well. At least I had
trouble with it. The biggest issue that it has is that being designed for ease of construction, it doesn't function perfectly. The trigger
linkage has a lot of friction, so even with my 4.5lb trigger in the back, this thing pulled like a 7 or 8 pound trigger. Moreover, being ABS
plastic, it had to be designed really thick to be strong enough. I imagine nylon to be a better choice. Not much else is possible with FDM
printers.
I plan on doing some editing to the CAD file to get it more the way I would like it. I'm going to borrow your trigger linkage design, as I feel it
should work better. I also want to extend its length of pull. I would love a CNC milled lower, but sadly my skills and funds don't really allow
for that kind of machining.
« Last Edit: March 17, 2015, 06:02:09 AM by SalsaShark037 » Logge d

^ « Reply #79 on: March 18, 2015, 04:30:03 AM »
Bullpup Fanatic
O ffline SalsaShark037,
Posts: 1,805
Welcome to our Bullpup Forum!
I commend you on your frontiersmanship. Please post a photo of your ARAK-21-Hanuman Bullpup, along with the weight. And, I
look forward to a video of your home-made Bullpup in action, in the future.
Thanks.
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SHORT- Re: Ar-15 to bullpup conversion

In retrospect, you read Faxon Firearms' playbook, well!

I confess to misreading Nathan's Court jester expression, in the short video

908ssp Re: Ar-15 to bullpup conversion

SHORT-N-SASSY Re: Ar-15 to bullpup conversion

O ffline Is there a Faxon Firearms 6.5mm Grendel-chambered ARAK-21, on the horizon?

908ssp Re: Ar-15 to bullpup conversion

SHORT- Re: Ar-15 to bullpup conversion

In view of the above, that's about what I expected.

I just noticed our Site Ranking is #11

« Last Edit: February 28, 2015, 05:36:55 PM by SHORT-N-SASSY » Logge d

SHORT-N-SASSY Re: Ar-15 to bullpup conversion

O ffline Quote from: SHORT-N-SA SSY on February 24, 2015, 11:52:06 A M

Projectile Motion Re: Ar-15 to bullpup conversion

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SHORT-N-SASSY Re: Ar-15 to bullpup conversion

Subject: Finally, an auto-loading 6.5mm Grendel Bolt-Barrel Extension done right !!

"Time was ---

"Looking forward to the upcoming 6.5mm Grendel ARAK-21 !"

SHORT-N-SASSY Re: Ar-15 to bullpup conversion

Check out this 3D-printable Bullpup for AR-pattern uppers (http://www.guns.com/2014/05/25/check-out-this-3d-

(Troy 6.2" Rail Covers, shown above, for example)

And, Faxon Firearms is presently working on Ejection Port covers.

I can't wait to see their upcoming Bullpup Lower !!!

« Last Edit: April 30, 2015, 05:44:14 PM by SHORT-N-SASSY » Logge d

908ssp Re: Ar-15 to bullpup conversion

908ssp Re: Ar-15 to bullpup conversion

Check out this 3D-printable Bullpup for AR-pattern uppers (http://www.guns.com/2014/05/25/check-out-this-3d-

(Troy 6.2" Rail Covers, shown above, for example)

And, Faxon Firearms is presently working on Ejection Port covers.

I can't wait to see their upcoming Bullpup Lower !!!

SHORT-N-SASSY Re: Ar-15 to bullpup conversion

O ffline Quote from: 908ssp on March 04, 2015, 12:43:46 A M

SHORT-N-SASSY Re: Ar-15 to bullpup conversion

O ffline Quote from: 908ssp on March 04, 2015, 12:49:03 A M

908ssp Re: Ar-15 to bullpup conversion

SHORT-N-SASSY Re: Ar-15 to bullpup conversion

3D printing an AR15 Lower receiver (http://youtu.be/6oJ9Bgj6m0I);

DefDist Printed AR Lower - Part III (http://youtu.be/tAW72Y_XPF4).

908ssp Re: Ar-15 to bullpup conversion

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