Ukedchat Archive 16 September 2010

#ukedchat 16 September 2010
username time status
May be more of a watcher/lurker than active participant in

dailydenouement 19:55:00 #ukedchat tonight. Am recovering from a day-long migraine so
head's a bit fuzzed!
dawnhallybone 19:56:00 cat is settling in for #ukedchat too http://yfrog.com/msoalgj
one minute to go before we start the boys and girls discussion in

Joga5 19:57:00
tonight's #ukedchat
RT @colport: 5 minutes until #ukedchat with @Joga5 - Interesting

ianaddison 19:57:00
Boys V Girls Learning debate
ForesterJo 19:58:00 #ukedchat - interesting topic!
simcloughlin 19:58:00 Tweets unprotected! #ukedchat
So the question is What is different between the ways in which boys

Joga5 19:58:00
and girls learn? Does it really matter? #ukedchat
#ukedchat it certainly matters, for many years I firmly believed the

didactylos 19:59:00
orthodoxy we were all equal, no longer do i believe that
Shall we start with five minutes of setting of personal views on the

Joga5 19:59:00
differences first and then move on to strategies? #ukedchat
#ukedchat guess we are going to be talking about maturity, culture,

didactylos 19:59:00
gender and sociological differences
I think difference must matter given consistent analysis that shows

katie_hague 20:00:00
gender gaps in performances of particular subjects. #ukedchat
@didactylos was there one incident or experience which brought

Joga5 20:00:00
about the change in view #ukedchat
@Joga5 thanks - look forward to it. #ukedchat, Boys are silly and
DuncanTigerHero 20:00:00
immature, unorganised. Girls are a distraction but all are individuals
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RT @Joga5: So the question is What is different between the ways

cjs76 20:00:00
in which boys and girls learn? Does it really matter? #ukedchat
or are there clear differences in Primary teachers' expectations of

Joga5 20:01:00
behaviour, acheivement etc #ukedchat
my class are so split this year gender-wise. Lots of silly boys, lots of
squiggle7 20:01:00
very sensible girls. Girls engaging easily, boys not so #ukedchat
RT @Joga5: So the question is What is different between the ways

DeputyMitchell 20:01:00
in which boys and girls learn? Does it really matter? #ukedchat
TheHeadsOffice 20:01:00 Isn't it something to do with panets - Mars & Venus?! #ukedchat
#ukedchat key question is mentally are there clear differences in

didactylos 20:01:00
female/male approaches, or is there a spectrum?
Ok, from my perspective in primary, there are some boys who only
colport 20:01:00
respond positively to male teachers. #ukedchat
As children develop the way they learn becomes more apparent,

kvnmcl 20:02:00 boys prefer competition, excitment girls prefer settled discussion
#ukedchat
The importance is to have a variety of learning styles what ever the

TheHeadsOffice 20:02:00
gender #ukedchat
@colport I would say the same - we have some boys who only really
bevevans22 20:02:00
connect with male teachers #ukedchat
RT @didactylos: #ukedchat key question is mentally are there clear

differences in female/male approaches, or is there a spectrum?
RT @colport: Ok, from my perspective in primary, there are some

simcloughlin 20:02:00 boys who only respond positively to male teachers. #ukedchat < I
agree!
#ukedchat there is received wisdom that some subject areas are

didactylos 20:02:00
more girl friendly and some more boy friendly...true or false?
@didactylos I agree I think there is a spectrum, its individuals rather

tonycassidy 20:03:00
than group #ukedchat
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#ukedchat We've got a big discrepancy in girls/boys performance at

MrsThorne 20:03:00 GCSE: approaching 20%. Suggests only 1 in 3 of our boys get 5+ A*-
C, BAD!
@kvnmcl but is that difference a norm of society that they learn

Joga5 20:03:00
from what they experience in class? #ukedchat
I find that the boys I teach engage probably better than the girls! Is
that because I'm the only man in the village? #ukedchat
#ukedchat very general, but girls appearing more reluctant to take

cjs76 20:03:00
risks and make mistakes.
@squiggle7 @Joga5 Expectations can play such a big part in any

learning #ukedchat
deerwood 20:03:00 @kvnmcl but isn't that just gender stereotyping #ukedchat
if there are differences in learning there are most likely differences

squiggle7 20:03:00
in male/female teaching methods #ukedchat
maturity is a major factor, a lot of boys seem to take longer to

cloud_burst 20:03:00
become independent learners #ukedchat
I feel sorry for boys who are in school full of females. They need a
colport 20:03:00
positive male role-model ;-) #ukedchat
RT @didactylos: #ukedchat key question is mentally are there clear

differences in female/male approaches, or is there a spectrum?
#ukedchat - IMO younger boys need to be a lot more physical active

ForesterJo 20:03:00
and would appear to show more obvious competitive streak
Is there not a pygmalion risk here .. if we believe boys and girls learn
deerwood 20:04:00
differently, then that's what we see? #ukedchat
DeputyMitchell 20:04:00 I'm talking Primary school (last tweet!) #ukedchat
TheHeadsOffice 20:04:00 @kvnmcl Glad I'm not a tom boy! #ukedchat
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@kvnmcl @ForesterJo Boys are very competitive. Also many seem

bevevans22 20:04:00 to prefer hands on /visual learning, girls like to talk things thru
#ukedchat
From my experience, generally boys respond well to competition-
Sport_ed 20:04:00 making this controlled and meaningful can be excellent motivator
#ukedchat
@didactylos Not sure. I've found that some treat me very differently
simcloughlin 20:04:00 to female teachers, even though I'm not remotely "blokey"
#ukedchat
If there were more male teachers than female, would the problem
be reversed? #ukedchat
#ukedchat Generally boys love competition, and kinaesthetic

DuncanTigerHero 20:04:00 activities. Girls tend to like language. But girls fly under my radar
#ukedchat
@Joga5 #ukedchat no I came through the battle for equality in the

didactylos 20:04:00
60's and 70's now realise we are all differently equal!
I think the home life can affect pupils' relationships with teachers -
cleverfiend 20:04:00
lack of a male/female role model varies family to family #ukedchat
@DeputyMitchell @colport We've got very few male teachers but

bevevans22 20:05:00 boys seem to respond to me okay. Is it because of the tech?
#ukedchat
boys / girls - they are all children who have their own learning needs
dawnhallybone 20:05:00
regardless of what 'sex' they are #ukedchat
@DeputyMitchell No...I think girls respond positively to the male

colport 20:05:00
figures at school as well #ukedchat
Giving #ukedchat a miss tonight as just back from LONG day

familysimpson 20:05:00
travelling. Started at 4am. Bleh. Wine! Enjoy!
@deerwood from my percieved objective it's apparent,that's from

kvnmcl 20:05:00 two different cultures Spain and England. There's crossover
#ukedchat
I think its difficult to talk about groups, it's too complex, what works
for one, will not for another #ukedchat
@Joga5 It could be, I don't stereotype in class but you do see it

kvnmcl 20:06:00
happen as the children get older, patterns develop #ukedchat
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But IMO girls react in a very positive way to boy led initiatives.
#ukedchat
RT @DuncanTigerHero Generally boys love competition, and

MrsThorne 20:06:00 kinaesthetic activities. Girls tend to like language #ukedchat <--
Agree
RT @TheHeadsOffice: Expectations play a part when it concerns the
Joga5 20:06:00 gender of the teacher. Male is considered to be more active
#ukedchat
#ukedchat are boys more susceptible to a lack of a father figure.

cjs76 20:06:00
How do girls cope in comparison?
@didactylos #ukedchat I think that depends how they're taught.

katie_hague 20:06:00 Looking at trad approaches, probably yes but if using range of
approaches,no!
Expectations play a part when it concerns the gender of the teacher.

Male is considered to be more active #ukedchat
OK first question? Do girls in primary schools ever experience 'girl

Joga5 20:07:00
friendly texts' in literacy? #ukedchat
#ukedchat - we trialled an all boys class and an all girls class at Year
Cgeo28 20:07:00
9 in our mixed sec school. I didn't like the class dynamic
#ukedchat met an NQT today who I taught 10yrs ago. He was

stevebunce 20:07:00 trouble in school,but his older sister an angel. He was always
compared with her.
TheHeadsOffice 20:07:00 @simcloughlin Describe 'blokey' please! #ukedchat
#ukedchat are the labels girl and boy too simplistic? Research now
didactylos 20:07:00 suggests we all have proportions of female and male to our
characters
@dawnhallybone You're right of course, but there are differences -

bevevans22 20:07:00
maybe it's more a maturity thing #ukedchat
topic of cars and Karting based on F1 engaged both boys and girls -
good to see role of women in perceived male envt #ukedchat
@deerwood Yes agree #ukedchat - belief and expectations. If we

NSRiazat 20:07:00 emphasise difference then can we can expect to see a difference in
gender?
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RT @dawnhallybone: boys / girls - they are all children who have

amweston 20:07:00 their own learning needs regardless of what 'sex' they are
#ukedchat
@didactylos but some more differently equal than others? !!!

Joga5 20:07:00
#ukedchat
@DeputyMitchell I don't think the problem would disappear, it

would be a different problem! #ukedchat
I am female - but played and coached rugby and football at

school/uni and I like to talk things through :) #ukedchat
@Joga5 have done 'girl-friendly' texts before but really turned boys
squiggle7 20:08:00
off. #ukedchat
@dawnhallybone agree I think sometimes society continues the

amweston 20:08:00
myth #ukedchat
@katie_hague yes maybe one size fits all is one end of the
didactylos 20:08:00
spectrum, where true personalised learning is the other #ukedchat
http://bit.ly/aeqDQh #ukedchat "Growing no. prim schls have no

colport 20:08:00 male teachers, prompting fears that boys could be put off edu at
young age"
#ukedchat Our MAST says in maths boys learn rules "it works cos it
KnikiDavies 20:08:00
does",girls need to fully understand to "get" how the method works.
RT @deerwood: Is there not a pygmalion risk here .. if we believe

boys and girls learn differently, then that's what we see? #ukedchat
Cgeo28 20:09:00 #ukedchat - in my experience boys prefer fieldwork and LOTC
#ukedchat In terms of progress, I've always had better results with

boys than girls. Could be due to tech but do get more out of boys.
@deafdotty @bevevans22 It is a real challenge...but can understand

colport 20:09:00 why many males do not want to go into primary teaching.
#ukedchat
@TheHeadsOffice The teacher that runs the football team, chats to

simcloughlin 20:09:00
the boys about sport etc. That sort of thing. #ukedchat
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#ukedchat I agree we need a balanced approach to addressing

Catriona_O 20:09:00 learner needs - competition/discussion but is it not just meeting
learner needs?
TheHeadsOffice 20:09:00 @DeputyMitchell Describe 'boy led activities' please #ukedchat
@Joga5 Quite an assumption that if it is literacy, girls will like it!

#ukedchat
@DeputyMitchell @colport @bevevans22 @cjs76 IMO teacher

primarypete_ 20:10:00 gender has very little to do with pupil gender specific engagement
#ukedchat
need for male role models in school same as need for females in
computing and engineering etc #ukedchat
@TheHeadsOffice 'initiatives' not activities. Like 'Project X' boy

DeputyMitchell 20:10:00 friendly books (our girls LOVED them more than the boys!)
#ukedchat
I am female - but love watching footie I am very techy (more than

amweston 20:10:00
hubbie) I like logical problems #ukedchat - my daughter is similar
â™º So-Called "Digital Natives" Not Media Savvy, New Study Shows
briankotts 20:10:00
http://bit.ly/bKkb0Y #ukedchat
@Joga5 Most literacy initiatives seem to focus on engaging boys

bevevans22 20:10:00 (IMO) #ukedchat Should we cover more girl slanted literature?? I
don't know
Personally I'd go for personalised learning - one size fits none

scholaforis 20:10:00
#ukedchat
just got home, can someone tell me what the #ukedchat topic is
missbrownsword 20:10:00
please?
@stevebunce Comparisons with siblings can be very damaging

whatever they were like. Is that human nature? #ukedchat
#ukedchat think age also has significance, moving into secondary

didactylos 20:10:00
the 'courtship' displays intrude severely
#ukedchat boys underachievement in writing is significant. Is it seen

cjs76 20:10:00
to be less important/socially less respected?
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@Joga5 #ukedchat Firework Maker's Daughter - +ve female role

model?
#ukedchat How do we improve boys' writing? Talk for writing -

drama - any other ideas that have worked? case studies?
RT @scholaforis: Personally I'd go for personalised learning - one

size fits none #ukedchat . totally agree!
RT @didactylos: #ukedchat think age also has significance, moving

Cgeo28 20:11:00
into secondary the 'courtship' displays intrude severely >>agree!
@colport If boys have no male teachers how does that equate with
being put off? What about excellent female teachers? #ukedchat
Has anyone ever come across a 'boys only' primary school?

colport 20:11:00
#ukedchat
deafdotty 20:11:00 @colport yes so can I - bit of a catch 22 #ukedchat
didactylos 20:11:00 @Joga5 #ukedchat exactly.... lol
Are boys less mature than girls or perceived to be? Stereotyping can
tobyholman 20:11:00
be useful in places, but dangerous in others #ukedchat
@KnikiDavies I find the opposite with high achieving girls- they just
marketspi 20:12:00
want to learn "the method", especially with maths #ukedchat
@TheHeadsOffice I am talking about a minority, who show a clear

colport 20:12:00
distain towards females generally. #ukedchat
#ukedchat Some of what we are talking about here I think is more

KnikiDavies 20:12:00 to do with personality types a la Myers Briggs/Jung - rather than
boy/girl
If we assume there are no differences between boys & girls then
bevevans22 20:12:00 why are many behaviour units boy heavy? Same with autistic units.
#ukedchat
@simcloughlin Ah! Blokey! So, what is it about you that the boys
like & engage with? #ukedchat
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@scholaforis #ukedchat is what we need to discuss personalised

Catriona_O 20:12:00
learning here?
@primarypete_ I would disagree. There are boy pupils who react

colport 20:12:00
completely different to me, than my female colleagues. #ukedchat
Joga5 20:12:00 @TheHeadsOffice Didn't say we should!!!!! #ukedchat
@Catriona_O Also a balance of different teaching styles to meet the

amweston 20:12:00
various learning styles #ukedchat
#ukedchat do social stereotypes create boundaries? Surely there is

cjs76 20:12:00
no practical reason why there are less female engineers?
RT @Mr_Thorne: regardless of gender, good progress is dependent

Joga5 20:13:00 on the high expectations set by the classteacher, male or female
#ukedchat
dawnhallybone 20:13:00 we have used games to engage all writers #ukedchat
@bevevans22 likewise in Forest school-boys respond aswell as girls-

ForesterJo 20:13:00
seems scope for all the chdn 2 learn their preferred style #ukedchat
regardless of gender, good progress is dependent on the high

Mr_Thorne 20:13:00
expectations set by the classteacher, male or female #ukedchat
@colport think you're putting yourself down if think is mainly due to

primarypete_ 20:14:00
ur gender. It's your rapier wit and engaging personality #ukedchat
@ForesterJo now is that because it child initiated learning?

#ukedchat
@colport Between the age of 8 and 11 I was in a boy-only class

dughall 20:14:00
(Private school). #ukedchat
From teaching all boys groups-engagement at the start of the lesson

Sport_ed 20:14:00
vital-competitive starter activities excellent #ukedchat
@marketspi #ukedchat I used to be just that way myself at A level

KnikiDavies 20:14:00 maths. Didn't care how you work out sin30, just tried to memorise
it.
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tobyholman 20:14:00 @ianaddison The fear? #ukedchat
@KnikiDavies I've had most success with boys' writing when it's got
MrsThorne 20:14:00
a creative element to it: storytelling in History, for eg #ukedchat
dughall 20:14:00 I'm late! Soz #ukedchat
#ukedchat are there some classes where the differences are greater
didactylos 20:14:00
than others - just had a classic yr 5 today where it was very clear
Anyone watching the Gareth Malone series on atm? Very interesting

squiggle7 20:14:00
experiment with boys #ukedchat
@bevevans22 there is a much higher chance that a male baby will

Catriona_O 20:14:00
develop a disability than a female #ukedchat
@primarypete_ @colport Maybe it depends on area. Our boys have

bevevans22 20:14:00 very few male role models & crave attention from a male teacher
#ukedchat
ICTtower 20:14:00 @katie_hague Have had exact opposite result! #ukedchat
Why aren't there more make primary teachers? Is it the workload or

ianaddison 20:14:00
the wages? Something else? #ukedchat
RT @bevevans22 Maybe it depends on area. Our boys have very

mark_wood 20:15:00 few male role models & crave attention from a male teacher
#ukedchat
@bevevans22 is it because they suffer more from rules in school,
marketspi 20:15:00 can't express emotions well? I don't know the answer btw!
#ukedchat
@dughall typical boy - comes late and apologises in slang!!!!!

Joga5 20:15:00
#ukedchat
RT @simcloughlin: The teacher that runs the football team, chats to

DianneSpencer 20:15:00 boys about sport etc. #ukedchat >>Very sporty female teacher in
our sch.
@colport Not caught up yet but I think the relationship between
carolrainbow 20:15:00 teacher & pupil is key influence in progress regardless of gender
#ukedchat
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@ianaddison I had to make sure my male staff were aware of how

vulnerable they could be #ukedchat
freedman69 20:16:00 #ukedchat girls tends to gather more group momentum than boys
RT @scholaforis: @ForesterJo now is that because it child initiated

ForesterJo 20:16:00
learning? #ukedchat Yes but also cos nature of teaching outside
RT @katie_hague: #ukedchat In terms of progress, I've always had

DianneSpencer 20:16:00
better results with boys than girls. >>>Does this concern u Katie?
#ukedchat Have taught single sex classes in a mixed school. Feel

Arakwai 20:16:00 both genders benefit from being more able to target teaching style
to needs
@mark_wood Agreed. Think male role models are so important

altrudrama 20:16:00
across all key stages. #ukedchat.
dughall 20:16:00 @Joga5 LOL!!!!!! #ukedchat
#ukedchat - does peer pressure affect boys more than girls in

Cgeo28 20:16:00
school?
We are saying things like boys initiatives are competition, maths,

JfB57 20:16:00
instant rewards. If we think girls don't like them is it us? #ukedchat
@Catriona_O I'm aware of that (have a disabled son & grandson)

bevevans22 20:16:00 but there must be something in it, & some behaviours develop later
#ukedchat
RT @MrsThorne: @KnikiDavies I've had most success with boys'
KnikiDavies 20:16:00 writing when it's got a creative element to it: storytelling in History,
for eg #ukedchat
Vital to maintain equal academic expectations for boys and girls

freedman69 20:16:00
#ukedchat
@bevevans22 Indeed. It is so plain to see with some pupils (girls as

colport 20:16:00
well) #ukedchat
@MrsThorne #ukedchat Great point, I also had great results with

KnikiDavies 20:16:00 boys writing "historical fiction" of their choice, eg story set in Rome
etc
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@ianaddison IMO, lack of male pri teachers is cos of the perceptions

dughall 20:16:00
around 'caring' professions cf nursing #ukedchat
RT @CHAR0ULA: boys are more easy going and casual about

Joga5 20:17:00
learning #ukedchat >>> sometimes this can be a front though
#ukedchat as a male teacher I do sometimes feel I'm bias towards

mark_wood 20:17:00
choosing more 'boyish' topics
aiafrate 20:17:00 late to #ukedchat sorry ;)
When I became a HT, the parents had to be shown that I could do

TheHeadsOffice 20:17:00 the job. They felt I was missing certain bits to be successful!
#ukedchat
RT @dawnhallybone: need for male role models in school same as
DianneSpencer 20:17:00 need for females in computing and engineering etc #ukedchat >>I
agree Dawn!
colport 20:17:00 @DeputyMitchell #ukedchat ;-)
@ianaddison Could it be the amount of times you get called 'miss'

SkoorBttaM 20:17:00
each day?!! The new class are getting better :) #ukedchat
@marketspi I don't know the answers either. It could be an

bevevans22 20:17:00 emotional thing (although some girls are prone to bottling things
up) #ukedchat
CHAR0ULA 20:17:00 boys are more easy going and casual about learning #ukedchat
RT @freedman69: #ukedchat girls tends to gather more group

ForesterJo 20:18:00 momentum than boys - doesn't change when we get older for a lot
of us too!
@TheHeadsOffice was once informed in a govs meeting by Chair

Joga5 20:18:00
that "we would be appointing a man for the next job!!" #ukedchat
#ukedchat Why have I got a 'sponsored' tweet always at the top of

Ideas_Factory 20:18:00
my page-anyone else :^(
RT @colport: Has anyone ever come across a 'boys only' primary

school? #ukedchat >>Yes but only in the private sector
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'The Trouble with Boys' http://www.teachers.tv/videos/the-trouble-

aangeli 20:18:00
with-boys #ukedchat
#ukedchat I'm generalising but I tend to find in literacy boys write to

KnikiDavies 20:18:00 "get the job done", girls more keen on improving- to please
teacher?
RT @CHAR0ULA: boys are more easy going and casual about

Cgeo28 20:18:00
learning #ukedchat >> or like to make out that they are!
@ianaddison I think it is a lot to do with wages - it is hard to

carolrainbow 20:18:00
envisage keeping a family and mortgage on primary pay #ukedchat
@ianaddison May also be to do with stereo typing & history, girls

carolrainbow 20:19:00 deal with small children. Lots of young men don't mix with young
#ukedchat
RT @Cgeo28: #ukedchat - does peer pressure affect boys more than

girls in school?>Depneds in what. Need to be seen to be cool
@Ideas_Factory yes! Finally got rid of darn thing! But don't know
marketspi 20:19:00
how! #ukedchat
Males also have higher standard deviation of IQ >>@bevevans22

russellhawker 20:19:00 ...higher chance that a male will develop a disability than a female
#ukedchat
@Arakwai If teaching single-sex addresses different learning needs,

dughall 20:19:00
why not teach only by ability groups or learning style? #ukedchat
@SkoorBttaM If it makes you feel any better I get called Sir all the
MrsThorne 20:19:00
time :) must be my husky tones #ukedchat
We live in a World with both sexes, shouldn't we be developing all

gender 'traits' /'strengths' #ukedchat
RT @Cgeo28: #ukedchat - does peer pressure affect boys more than

bevevans22 20:19:00 girls in school? <-- good point - maybe it's just a different peer
pressure
#ukedchat Do you think blogs would be very good for improving
KnikiDavies 20:20:00 boys' writing - writing needs to be good as will be read by wide
audience?
#ukedchat too many stereotypes persist regarding gender divide in
freedman69 20:20:00 education. Gd teaching benefits b+g. Don't concentrate on learning
styles!
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RT @carolrainbow: @colport Not caught up yet but I think the

Mr_Thorne 20:20:00 relationship between teacher & pupil is key influence in progress
regardless of gender #ukedchat
Girls: "Can we have another lunchtime session to help us talk
dughall 20:20:00 through the problem?' Boys: "Can't we shake on it and play footie?"
#ukedchat
I also think there can be clear differences in maturity when you have
bevevans22 20:20:00 summer-born boys - makes development differences obvious
#ukedchat
@Cgeo28 #ukedchat in secondary boys are more likely to appear
didactylos 20:20:00 disinterested in the lessons, but privately many work hard late at
night alone
there is such concern about engaging boys in reading and writing

that no one writes for girls any more which is a shame #ukedchat
Is there more of the 'need to be seen to be cool' with girls in

secondary than primary? #ukedchat
@dughall I would like to see a boys only school in action - How do

colport 20:20:00
their structure their curriculum? #ukedchat
My teacher training course started with 15guys and ended with 4. I

ianaddison 20:20:00
was only one under 40! #ukedchat
@DianneSpencer Partly, though I've had more underperforming

katie_hague 20:20:00 boys arriving in my class than girls, so more scope for good progress.
#ukedchat
@missbrownsword #ukedchat I write (sci-fi) for girls! Trouble is
KnikiDavies 20:21:00 agents say it doesn't fit their list! Girls read boy books but not
v.versa!
@TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat thonk there's more of a studious

didactylos 20:21:00
versus good time girl split in secondary
Strong acad evidence innate gender differences real but small;

helenmew 20:21:00 gendered society + peer pressure reinforce/drive difference
#ukedchat
@KnikiDavies I'm hoping so. This was one reason for starting school
squiggle7 20:21:00
blog. #ukedchat
We've a group of underperforming girls. Call them our 'Gel Pen

DeputyMitchell 20:21:00 Girls'!!! Tidy, neat, smiley & if not careful stay under the radar!
#ukedchat
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@missbrownsword they do write for girls but the books are not
Joga5 20:21:00
always as well advertised - some great stuff out there #ukedchat
#ukedchat Has anyone counted the number of tweets with the word
*boy* in compared to the word *girl* ???
When giving examples, would be useful if we mentioned KS or

ICTtower 20:21:00
pri/sec please #ukedchat
feel I'm not getting as much from the girls in the class as boys need
aiafrate 20:21:00 to rethink my strategies to make them want to participate
#ukedchat
we have lots of those also! RT @DeputyMitchell: We've a group of

underperforming girls. #ukedchat
@DeputyMitchell #ukedchat - my equivalents giggle and smile

janwebb21 20:22:00
instead of answering a question fully!
RT @freedman69: #ukedchat too many stereotypes persist

TweeterofWit 20:22:00 regarding gender divide in education. Gd teaching benefits b+g.
Don't concentrate on learning styles!
Boys love competition, girls love cooperation. Difficult to manage

bartoneducation 20:22:00
both in classroom. #ukedchat
How do we avoid playing reinforcing stereotypes that may be linked

helenmew 20:22:00
more to self-perpetuating peer pressures? #ukedchat
@MrsThorne Haha! At first it's a bit worrying but then you get used
SkoorBttaM 20:22:00
to it. The best ones are when you get called 'mum'!! #ukedchat
OK so we seem to have come to a form of consensus that there are

Joga5 20:22:00
differences -shall we move onto strategies for a while? #ukedchat
#ukedchat I am a bit confused about topic? Is it about the

differences between boys and girls and their learning?
@bevevans22 I was born late spring!!! Would explain alot!! lol

#ukedchat
@KnikiDavies Theory that boys are better suited to exams - short &
over / girls to course work. Any 2dary teachers confirm? #ukedchat
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Good practise for teaching boys usually is good practise for all.
sellyeve 20:22:00
#ukedchat
it's interesting seeing the difference between boys and girls in BTEC
cleverfiend 20:22:00 Science - girls respond better to coursework/project apprch
#ukedchat
@aiafrate I find middle ability girls like to blend into background

bekios 20:22:00
#ukedchat
#ukedchat boys are more likely to exclaim loudly "this is too hard,
marketspi 20:22:00
not doing it!" then when class is unsettled they secretly work on it.
@colport I don't think the curriculum would/should be structured

dughall 20:22:00
differently. A curriculum should be a preparation for life. #ukedchat
@KnikiDavies I will try and answer that when I've finished my

dissertation! #ukedchat
@ianaddison I had opposite prob when I did my degree - I was the

janwebb21 20:22:00
only girl on my course!! (not a teaching one - did PGCE) #ukedchat
@primarypete_ @carolrainbow I still maintain there are *some*

colport 20:22:00
boys who react different to male tchers. No matter what! #ukedchat
#ukedchat - in diverse city schools cultural background also plays a

Cgeo28 20:22:00
part in the differences
@KnikiDavies Would love to read some! Where can I get hold of

ICTtower 20:23:00
some? #ukedchat
janwebb21 20:23:00 @carolrainbow #ukedchat absolutely agree @colport
@TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat boys are motivated by last minute

didactylos 20:23:00 deadlines and spurts of effort, girls work the long haul (30 yrs in
secondary)
curricadvocate 20:23:00 #ukedchat do ALL boys love competition??
Does any1 understand what Gareth Mal is trying to achieve in his

colport 20:23:00 prog? What about the negative attitudes from the female teachers?
#ukedchat
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RT @ianaddison: My teacher training course started with 15guys &

bevevans22 20:23:00
ended with 4. #ukedchat <-That says something. Not sure what!
#ukedchat I think boys approach under pressure is different -1 of

Catriona_O 20:23:00 spectrum- I think with pay differentials no matter how hard girls
try....
@colport Is it really male teachers or just different teachers?

Personality can make a huge difference too. #ukedchat
TheHeadsOffice 20:23:00 @Joga5 THat's clear then! What was your response?#ukedchat
RT @missbrownsword: there is such concern about engaging boys in

bekios 20:23:00 reading and writing that no one writes for girls any more which is a
shame #ukedchat
@ianaddison I was one of 10 male trainees on a course of 140

dughall 20:23:00
#ukedchat
I agree. RT @colport: @primarypete_ @carolrainbow I still maintain

ICTtower 20:24:00 there are *some* boys who react different to male tchers.
#ukedchat
@dughall #ukedchat Can't decide if the kinesthetic science group

Arakwai 20:24:00
would be my idea of heaven or hell ;-)
@carolrainbow the male teachers just being there as role models as

Catriona_O 20:24:00
an argument is going nowhere. #ukedchat
RT @Joga5: OK so we seem to have come to a form of consensus

primarypete_ 20:24:00 that there are differences -shall we move onto strategies for a
while? #ukedchat
@bartoneducation #ukedchat What about working in groups of 4?

Competition between groups but cooperation within group.
@bartoneducation how about when the class works in groups, mark

marketspi 20:24:00
groups on criteria, incl collaboration, best group wins? ;) #ukedchat
@sellyeve #ukedchat good point the passive learning delivery has

didactylos 20:24:00
worked with most girls simply because they tolerate it
Where do parent attitudes & expectations come into play?

#ukedchat
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@DianneSpencer #ukedchat can go off on a tangent sometimes. I

colport 20:24:00 have just mentioned Gareth's TV programme, as that looks at
learning #ukedchat
@dughall I also think a curriculum should be structured around
ForesterJo 20:24:00 celebrating who we are now! not always prep for later on -
#ukedchat
So...what clear differences do people implement in teaching styles

bevevans22 20:24:00
and activities to get all engaged????? #ukedchat
RT @Cgeo28: #ukedchat - in diverse city schools cultural background

also plays a part in the differences - agree big part
RT @DeputyMitchell: 'Gel Pen Girls'!!! Tidy, neat, smiley & if not

aiafrate 20:24:00 careful stay under the radar! <<yes! Know quite a few of those
#ukedchat
@tonycassidy do kids select the traits that society values and aspire
DrAshCasey 20:24:00
to them...we need to change society #ukedchat
@sellyeve #ukedchat Yes, we've said whatever we put in place to

improve boys' writing is almost certain to help the girls too!
RT @Joga5: I told him that I had seen plenty of poor male teachers
and we should look for quality first and penis second!! #ukedchat
@ForesterJo Fair comment. However, I would still maintain that

dughall 20:25:00 whether we had *all* girls or *all* boys, curriculum would be same.
#ukedchat
RT @ForesterJo: @dughall I also think a curriculum should be
KnikiDavies 20:25:00 structured around celebrating who we are now! not always prep for
later on - #ukedchat
I'm going to be controversial. My stepson told me he tried not to act

bevevans22 20:25:00
'too clever' at school as it wasn't cool #ukedchat
@ianaddison We had 4 male trainee teachers on my course of 150.

Just terrible!!! #ukedchat
didactylos 20:25:00 @DrAshCasey #ukedchat ah well if that's all we have to do...grins
#ukedchat in a class of 24 there were only 6 girls, is this an issue?

mark_wood 20:25:00
Would u find this an issue? It is unfair to the children?
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I told him that I had seen plenty of poor male teachers and we
Joga5 20:25:00
should look for quality first and penis second!! #ukedchat
#ukedchat so how do we turn these differences, percieved or actual

curricadvocate 20:25:00
into positive actions in the classroom?
no, lots fear failure so hate it RT @curricadvocate: #ukedchat do ALL

boys love competition??
@bartoneducation Managed a good competition/cooperation Y10

MrsThorne 20:26:00 History lesson this week but it was a bit of a rollercoaster!
#ukedchat
helenmew 20:26:00 structured around celebrating who we are now! not always prep for
dughall 20:26:00 @Arakwai Ha ha! :-) #ukedchat
RT @bevevans22: So...what clear differences do people implement

JfB57 20:26:00
in teaching styles and activities to get all engaged????? #ukedchat
@mark_wood i don't think it is - you just have to consider how to

use the strengths of the minority grouping to advantage #ukedchat
janwebb21 20:26:00 @bevevans22 too true #ukedchat
although a generalisation boys perhaps more inclined to 'cut up

sellyeve 20:26:00
rough' if lessons v. passive #ukedchat
@mark_wood #ukedchat Such a small number of either gender is

def going to limit friendships!
#ukedchat I teach at a sec mod girls school. There's a HUGE mix of

dukkhaboy 20:26:00 preferred learning styles in front of me each lesson Let's not
generalise
Cgeo28 20:27:00 #ukedchat - boys better at giving cover teachers the run around!
I was once turned down for a primary job because they decided to
give it to (head's words) 'the only male candidate' #ukedchat
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A sch I know separated their GCSE Sci gps into girls/boys to remove
Laura_987 20:27:00 the 'showing off'. Behaviour better, no sig improv in grades
#ukedchat
#ukedchat So far on strategies I have: drama, talk 4 writing, group

work, problem solving, historical writing... Anything new?
Uni set up a group 4 male thers to meet together- called it 'male

SkoorBttaM 20:27:00 support group'. They wer shocked when we said we hated the
name! #ukedchat
#ukedchat just joined so skimming through tweets. It's an

mrswaustin 20:27:00
interesting one tonight!
@mark_wood in my year 11 class there are 5 girls, 29 boys. No idea

marketspi 20:27:00
why! #ukedchat
@didactylos #ukedchat we can start with the micro societies in

DrAshCasey 20:27:00
which we live and work.
RT @Joga5: .... and we should look for quality first and penis
carolrainbow 20:27:00 second!! #ukedchat Hmm - must find the first part of this
conversation ;-)
@DrAshCasey mmm, one to ponder, but we seem to have

demonised certain 'masculine' traits #ukedchat
Would boys and girls BOTH benefit from the extension of play-based
helenmew 20:28:00
curriculum much further up through into primary? #ukedchat
RT @DeputyMitchell: We've a group of underperforming girls. Call

SkoorBttaM 20:28:00 them our 'Gel Pen Girls'!!! Tidy, neat, smiley & if not careful stay
under the radar! #ukedchat
I had staff use the fact that they had a larger nos of boys in their
TheHeadsOffice 20:28:00 class the reason for poor results! Where does that come from?
#ukedchat
#ukedchat Oh and forest schools/outdoor learning in general - a bit

more risk taking!
#ukedchat I'd like to unpick "personalised learning" a bit more. Lets

Catriona_O 20:28:00
face it -schooling was set up at the very beginning for boys
RT @marketspi: @mark_wood in my year 11 class there are 5 girls,

aiafrate 20:28:00 29 boys. <<had similar numbers last yr found tough,girls did too
#ukedchat
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Joga5 20:28:00 @bartoneducation He did the same with his tea!!! #ukedchat
@bevevans22 I can remember having this problem with really bright

boys - they would be called Nerd - hard to deal with! #ukedchat
RT @mrswaustin: #ukedchat just joined so skimming through

janwebb21 20:28:00
tweets. It's an interesting one tonight!
#ukedchat girls will happily do well in class, but is it cool for a boy to
ianaddison 20:28:00
be smart? Why isn't it a good thing?
#ukedchat does boy girl pairing work? Is there any evidence that
mark_wood 20:28:00 suggests whether this has positive/negative results? If so in what
areas?
With regards to poor behaviour in Y7, is a lack of male teachers in

ICTtower 20:28:00
primary a contributing factor? #ukedchat
In Y1 - any suggestions for strategies to get boys to choose writing

activities / wanting to develop their writing skills? #ukedchat
@KnikiDavies this can be an issue that isn't only gender related in

our small schools. we had a yr grp with only 6 chn 4 boys #ukedchat
@bevevans as a Prim we looked at giving more time for speaking /

Joga5 20:28:00
listening - drama - practical activities #ukedchat
@helenmew #ukedchat this would appear true if you look at

evidence from international studies.
RT @KnikiDavies: #ukedchat drama, talk 4 writing, group work,

katie_hague 20:29:00 problem solving, historical writing... Anything new? > All good! Add
Kagan
@helenmew Extension of play, role play up the school is highly

Joga5 20:29:00
beneficial #ukedchat
I related to a lot in this article esp girls better at multitasking

fhesbusiness 20:29:00
http://bit.ly/aLPHOp #ukedchat how should we plan for this?
@mark_wood #ukedchat Have been reading Kagan, suggests groups

KnikiDavies 20:29:00 of 4 with 2 girls/2 boys but not a 3:1 ratio as this inhibits girls either
way
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@DeputyMitchell I was the only girl doing A level economics. Token

girl as the results proved! #ukedchat
RT @tonycassidy: Teachers are a bit like locks- irrespective of

Mr_Thorne 20:29:00
gender, you just just 'click' with some- #ukedchat
@mark_wood personal experience yesterday of a boy in tears

janwebb21 20:29:00 because he didn't want to be paired wiht a girl makes you think!
#ukedchat
@missbrownsword #ukedchat TERRIBLE especially if you are the
curricadvocate 20:29:00 best candidate. there is huge pressures on HTs to have male staff.
been there!
@missbrownsword have they heard of discrimination legislation?!

marketspi 20:29:00
#ukedchat
#ukedchat to what extent should we be exploring their preferred

didactylos 20:29:00
learning styles with them and explaining what's universally needed?
@dughall Not sure topics taught would be the same - I know

bevevans22 20:29:00 teachers with boy heavy classes who choose 'boy' topics repeatedly
#ukedchat
Teachers are a bit like locks- irrespective of gender, you just just
'click' with some- #ukedchat
@carolrainbow was once informed in a govs meeting by Chair that

Joga5 20:29:00
"we would be appointing a man for the next job!!" #ukedchat
RT @dughall: Fair comment. However,still maintain that whether

ForesterJo 20:29:00 had *all* girls or *all* boys, curric wld b same. #ukedchat will
ponder this!
RT @dughall: @ianaddison I was one of 10 male trainees on a

SkoorBttaM 20:30:00
course of 140 #ukedchat >>same here. only five qualified
@primarypete_ Have you got a an outside area? Let them write 'on
the walls'! #ukedchat
@ianaddison @carolrainbow @didactylos And how come you can

bevevans22 20:30:00
be 'sporty' or 'clever' but not both? Do I imagine it?? #ukedchat
dawnhallybone 20:30:00 @KnikiDavies games games and games :) #ukedchat
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@janwebb21 @mark_wood I had a boy sulk and refuse to work

squiggle7 20:30:00
today because paired with a girl too #ukedchat
@primarypete_ I agree about offering choice. Can then also be used

dughall 20:30:00
as a coercive tool "...but you *chose* to do this..." #ukedchat
@helenmew We have play based curric going all through in some

carolrainbow 20:30:00 primary's - 3 yrs now - no significant difference in achievements
#ukedchat

@tonycassidy yes...agreed. But we have also accepted that boys

DrAshCasey 20:30:00 should display certain masculine traits...take "girl's blouse"
#ukedchat
RT @didactylos: #ukedchat to what extent should we be exploring
JfB57 20:31:00 their preferred learning styles with them & explaining what's
needed?
@KnikiDavies that is interesting, does anyone else have views on
ProEdNet 20:31:00 Kagan's ideas on how to get the best out of mixed classes?
#ukedchat
@bevevans22 often find the sportiest cohorts are highest achieving.

sellyeve 20:31:00
#ukedchat
@bevevans22 But is choosing 'boy' topics repeatedly for boy heavy

dughall 20:31:00
groups fair? Realistic? Equal? Representative? etc? #ukedchat
@carolrainbow #ukedchat But have standards risen compared to

3yrs ago even though no gender differences?
@squiggle7 @mark_wood but then also had another tell me he was

squiggle7 20:31:00 working better because paired with a girl so swings & r'bts
#ukedchat
@missbrownsword I got my first job cos they were looking for a
ianaddison 20:31:00 male teacher. There were 2other guys interviewed though
#ukedchat
RT @KnikiDavies: #ukedchat Such a small number of either gender is

mark_wood 20:31:00
def going to limit friendships! I agree & is something to b aware of!
@DrAshCasey I don't disagree, but recognise that they don't have

didactylos 20:31:00
that much impact, home culture is such a pull #ukedchat
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janwebb21 20:31:00 @squiggle7 tis such a big deal for some #ukedchat
@katie_hague #ukedchat I just quoted Kagan in my very next

tweet!!! Weird! I am planning to read up more about it!
RT @bevevans22: My stepson told me he tried not to act 'too

cjs76 20:31:00
clever' at school as it wasn't cool #ukedchat > this is reality.

theatretotsltd 20:31:00 structured around celebrating who we are now! not always prep for
@DrAshCasey also agreed there- so perhaps just take out the

gender and consider positive human 'traits'. #ukedchat
@Joga5 That is just dreadful - yes can understand the reply now!
#ukedchat
RT @dawnhallybone: @KnikiDavies games games and games :)

dughall 20:32:00
#ukedchat
@helenmew I think they benefit in secondary school. The phys Ed

DrAshCasey 20:32:00
model "sport education" is based on play theory #ukedchat
For the 1st time in 10 years I have an all boy class at KS4, the only
ICTtower 20:32:00
girl requested a transfer.... #ukedchat
@bevevans22 I have seen a few sporty and clever boys in my time.

MrsThorne 20:32:00
They usually end up as Head Boy. #ukedchat
katie_hague: @primarypete_ Treasure hunts, writing clues and

katie_hague 20:32:00 'evidence', non fiction, describing dragons, monsters, pirates etc!
#ukedchat
RT @ForesterJo: @tonycassidy as female teacher find boys easier to
Mr_Thorne 20:32:00 deal with generally - inf boys fall out sort it 2 mins later! girls......
#ukedchat
@bevevans22 #ukedchat Think that depends on the school, we have
KnikiDavies 20:32:00 plenty of sporty & clever kids, we have culture where it's good to
achieve
@bevevans22 You can't get good all-rounders these days?

#ukedchat
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RT @DeputyMitchell: RT @tonycassidy: Teachers are a bit like locks-

irrespective of gender, you just just 'click' with some- #ukedchat

marketspi 20:32:00
@dughall @primarypete_ When I offer choice (eg in recording

bevevans22 20:32:00
method) girls choose quickly. Boys struggle to choose #ukedchat
@missbrownsword Really hate that, that's just awful - and if we

helenmew 20:32:00 discriminate as adults why are so surprised young people do too?
#ukedchat
@tonycassidy as female teacher find boys easier to deal with

ForesterJo 20:32:00
generally - inf boys fall out sort it 2 mins later! girls...... #ukedchat
@KnikiDavies #ukedchat Kaan v interesting for all,had to move

katie_hague 20:33:00 around class for some, everyone has to answer in others. No flying
under radar
RT @helenmew: Would boys and girls BOTH benefit from the
ForesterJo 20:33:00 extension of play-based curric much further up through into
primary? #ukedchat YES!
RT @KnikiDavies: @mark_wood #ukedchat Have, suggests groups of
mark_wood 20:33:00 4 with 2 girls/2 boys but not a 3:1 ratio as this inhibits girls either
way
colport 20:33:00 Does Visual Literacy support boys learning? #ukedchat
@ForesterJo agreed- sometimes I think we overreact to situation

like that #ukedchat
We've tried to use what were regarded as boy friendly strategies

Joga5 20:33:00
but also considered grouping and subject matter #ukedchat
RT @dughall: RT @dawnhallybone: @KnikiDavies games games and

janwebb21 20:33:00
games :) #ukedchat
@ProEdNet #ukedchat I have set up my classes in Kagan groups and

KnikiDavies 20:33:00 it is working a treat - some of best maths lessons ever using
Kagan/nrich!
#ukedchat sorry if I'm repeating what someone has said but
janwebb21 20:33:00 authentic context, games/play based writing so important for all but
esp boys
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sellyeve 20:33:00 @bevevans22 even with a deadline? #ukedchat
ICTtower 20:33:00 It is a very different atmosphere to my other classes #ukedchat
#ukedchat my problem with personalised learning is that is has been

Catriona_O 20:33:00
interpreted in many cases as limited to options. V Poor response.
@curricadvocate I daren't actually commit to that without seeing

carolrainbow 20:34:00 the data and I have not looked- though I doubt it has raised much
#ukedchat
#ukedchat can we agree on what bedrock skills are key to success in

didactylos 20:34:00
life and that whatever your gender you need to develop these?
@helenmew @missbrownsword I think the discrimination comes

when we are very tiny & stays unless really pushed out. #ukedchat
@KnikiDavies: #ukedchat Kagan, suggests groups of 4 with 2 girls/2

mark_wood 20:34:00
boys but not a 3:1 ratio as this inhibits girls either way V interesting
@KnikiDavies we celebrate achievement too, but for certain kids, all

ianaddison 20:34:00
boys, it's just not cool. School is for mates and football #ukedchat
@tonycassidy now that is the positive method. Teachers need to be

DrAshCasey 20:34:00 aware of the ways we reinforce gender expectations..really hard.
#ukedchat
@dughall #ukedchat What would you classify as a "boy" topic or a

"girl" topic?
@dughall Not in my opinion, but it is a trend I've seen. A bit like

bevevans22 20:34:00
choosing literature where the main characters are male...#ukedchat
@katie_hague we use kagan a lot It works for boys & girls alike.
mrswaustin 20:34:00
Calms 'loud' boys & encourages 'quiet' girls to join in. #ukedchat
@KnikiDavies what happens when you don't have right numbers for
squiggle7 20:34:00
2/2 with Kagan?
#ukedchat have seen sig. progress when focussing on girls in maths -

cjs76 20:35:00
confidence, levels, attitude.
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@didactylos yep...home has a huge impact. Family expectation

DrAshCasey 20:35:00
carries massive weight. #ukedchat
RT @DrAshCasey: @tonycassidy now that is the positive method.

JfB57 20:35:00 Teachers need to be aware of the ways we reinforce gender
expectations..really hard. #ukedchat
@dawnhallybone That's what I would like to find out - I am thinking
ICTtower 20:35:00 perhaps boys don't see women as strong disciplianarians?
#ukedchat
@Catriona_O had a go at unpicking personalised Learning

John_Pallister 20:35:00
http://tinyurl.com/qqca2x #ukedchat
#ukedchat Didn't truly realise how biased our education system is

pkainsworth 20:35:00
against boys till i had a son... No fault of the school which is FAB!
We are now teaching Eng and Maths as single sex subjects to lower
DuncanTigerHero 20:35:00
ability classes at GCSE. Some successes. #ukedchat
KnikiDavies 20:35:00 @squiggle7 #ukedchat I went for a table of 3 girls and one of 4 boys
@sellyeve I'm talking about in a 40 minute primary session. If I cut it

bevevans22 20:35:00 down to clear choice of one or the other they cope better.
#ukedchat
@@bevevans22 Yes I witnessed this too, some students shy away

cybraryman1 20:35:00
from not acting clever because of peer pressure. #ukedchat
@missbrownsword #ukedchat - agree. my son is terrified of failure,

so competition paralyses his thinking.
RT @colport: Does Visual Literacy support boys learning? #ukedchat

katie_hague 20:35:00 > Yes, & games based learning. See @timrylands &myst. Had
amazing results
#ukedchat boys appear to like large audience for work - on wall,
aiafrate 20:35:00 blog.. putting up girls work anonymously at their request, found
strange
@ICTtower Had a Y12 class with a 12/3 boy/girl split 1 year;
MrsThorne 20:35:00 following year was reversed. Had to completely rewrite my SoW
#ukedchat
Are boys really the weaker sex? http://bit.ly/auPGdH /via

briankotts 20:35:00
@telegraph #edchat #ukedchat
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@KnikiDavies @dughall #ukedchat when did Mario Kart as theme

primarypete_ 20:36:00 was perceived as boy but girls loved it & focused on different
characters
@carolrainbow #ukedchat - interesting. perhaps another edchat

question?
@DuncanTigerHero Do the kids prefer working in single sex groups?

Joga5 20:36:00
#ukedchat
#ukedchat the male brain is still out hunting the mammoth, the
didactylos 20:36:00 female working in the collaborative tribe - civilisation is still a
newbie
Catriona_O 20:36:00 @John_Pallister thank you! shall check it out #ukedchat
@KnikiDavies I wouldn't particularly classify topics like that.

dughall 20:36:00 (Boy/girl) it was @bevevans22 's colleague who tends to (said Bev)
#ukedchat
@KnikiDavies would love to know more about Kagan techniques.

squiggle7 20:36:00
Can I ask you after this has finished? #ukedchat
@ianaddison #ukedchat I was worried ours was going that way a bit
last year but it seems to have fizzled out with departure of Y6
RT @mrswaustin: we use kagan a lot It works for boys & girls alike.
katie_hague 20:36:00 Calms 'loud' boys & encourages 'quiet' girls to join in.#ukedchat
>Def!
RT @didactylos: #ukedchat can we agree on what bedrock skills are
cybraryman1 20:36:00 key to success in life & whatever your gender you need to develop
these?
@DrAshCasey Interesting - think the transition EYFS to primary a
helenmew 20:36:00 shock - and primary to secondary. Outdoor and indoor play v imp
#ukedchat
tonycassidy 20:36:00 @DrAshCasey yes, and it is a minefield- #ukedchat
@squiggle7 @knikidavies good group work says if not even split

marketspi 20:36:00
then have some single sex groups #ukedchat
@MrsThorne Interesting, as we try to keep our SoW gender neutral

ICTtower 20:37:00
#ukedchat
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RT @MrsThorne: @ICTtower what particular changes were made in

mark_wood 20:37:00
the SOW?? #ukedchat
@mark_wood #ukedchat good idea, only achievable in classes with

didactylos 20:37:00
equal gender numbers
@katie_hague #ukedchat just catching up again - agree with your

curricadvocate 20:37:00 list. humour is a very important tool. calm manner gets results from
b&g
dawnhallybone 20:37:00 @janwebb21 agree totally #ukedchat
RT @didactylos: #ukedchat the male brain is still out hunting the

colport 20:37:00 mammoth, the female working in the collaborative tribe -
civilisation is still a newbie
RT @cjs76: #ukedchat have seen sig. progress when focussing on
TheHeadsOffice 20:37:00 girls in maths - confidence, levels, attitude>so it is to do with
confidence?
when our text was Cinderella, the boys were really into it...similarly
Mr_Thorne 20:37:00
the girls have been encapsulated by dragons/fantasy #ukedchat
@KnikiDavies will have to read up on Kagan - #ukedchat - can you

ForesterJo 20:37:00
email me any info?
@TheHeadsOffice The lone girl felt intimidated by being alone/could

ICTtower 20:37:00
not relate to the 'lads' #ukedchat
RT @DuncanTigerHero: We are now teaching Eng and Maths as

MrsThorne 20:37:00 single sex subjects to lower ability classes at GCSE. Some successes.
#ukedchat
this week I told my maths set that girls are better at maths than
boys, I was joking but it seemed to motivate them all! #ukedchat
@katie_hague I read kagan last yr, really need to start using it again
aiafrate 20:38:00
#ukedchat
@primarypete_ @KnikiDavies ...not just cos they're boys or girls.

dughall 20:38:00
#ukedchat
@Joga5 #ukedchat i think this depends on how you structure the

ethos of the classroom (and school for that matter)
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John_Pallister 20:38:00 @didactylos bedrock skills = Functional Skills + 'a bit' #ukedchat
@tonycassidy absolutely! not advocating letting boys fights but

ForesterJo 20:38:00 sometimes we intervene + really make mountain out of molehill
#ukedchat
@missbrownsword Interesting that you were joking about who is
TheHeadsOffice 20:38:00 good at maths. Have you the data to prove it? Is it our perceptions?
#ukedchat
@curricadvocate We would all have to dig the data out ;-) Lots of
prep time needed!! #ukedchat
@primarypete_ @KnikiDavies That is *the* thing about topics IMO.

dughall 20:38:00 Seeing and drawing out elements to suit *every* individ' learnr!
#ukedchat
@squiggle7 Yes sure but I am far from expert! #ukedchat It's

something I want to develop
@chrisrat @atantot @DrAshCasey yes, and it is a minefield-

Catriona_O 20:38:00
#ukedchat - and pass the bomb IS ace! Love #twitterserendipity!
@TheHeadsOffice @MrsThorne @KnikiDavies In our area boys

bevevans22 20:38:00 either 'appear' to be good at sport or bright (but not too 'in your
face')#ukedchat
tonycassidy 20:39:00 @ForesterJo yeah- couldn't have put it better #ukedchat
@ForesterJo @KnikiDavies and me for Kagan. sounds interesting.

#ukedchat
janwebb21: @dawnhallybone been to ewac today - keep thinking

sellyeve 20:39:00
good teaching includes BOTH boys and girls #ukedchat YES!
@mrswaustin really sorry but what does 'loud' mean -

ForesterJo 20:39:00
enthusiastic????? keen???? #ukedchat
@curricadvocate For boys & girls,but found lots of my boys assumed

katie_hague 20:39:00 they'd be shouted at & v defensive.Calm was far more effective!
#ukedchat
@bevevans22 What stops boys wanting to please? Is it just peer

pressure? When does it start?#ukedchat
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@DrAshCasey #ukedchat A level female students in past classes

didactylos 20:39:00 would face incredible pressure from females in family to pack in
their studies
@dughall @bevevans22 I see, was interested to see how they

classified them. #ukedchat
@dawnhallybone been to ewac today - keep thinking good teaching

janwebb21 20:39:00
includes BOTH boys and girls #ukedchat
RT @colport: Does Visual Literacy support boys learning? #ukedchat

Doesn't it for everyone?
@diannespencer Are there any reluntant staff about your IT push?

Are they M or F? #ukedchat
TheHeadsOffice: @bevevans22 What stops boys wanting to please?

sellyeve 20:40:00 Is it just peer pressure? School culture defintely plays a part
#ukedchat
janwebb21 20:40:00 @dawnhallybone or even ecaw! #ukedchat
@tonycassidy @colport Would agree that it is equally successful for

Joga5 20:40:00
both groups if pedagogy sound #ukedchat
@mark_wood Took out lots of role play/tableaux/competitions,

MrsThorne 20:40:00
girls just not enthused by them. More essay practice #ukedchat
#ukedchat Numbers of males on Primary Ed courses are improving

JaneWoods3 20:40:00 but we still struggle to keep them. Need more male role models on
placement!
TheHeadsOffice 20:40:00 @curricadvocate Ethos of the school is key! #ukedchat
ICTtower 20:40:00 @Joga5 Definitely! #ukedchat
@ICTtower "perhaps boys don't see women as strong

dughall 20:40:00 disciplianarians? " Completely disagree. This perception can be
sorted day 1 #ukedchat
I taught in the inner city where in most families fathers were absent.
Boys especially needed strong & good male role models #ukedchat
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@aiafrate Yes, we had training 2 years ago and worked really well,
though big learning curve for us! #ukedchat
extended play...co-perative and problem solving play breeds mutual

scholaforis 20:41:00 respect for non gender biased relationships in school later
#ukedchat
@John_Pallister #ukedchat hmm maybe, but FS have now a very

didactylos 20:41:00
bad label round the neck
@squiggle7 @foresterjo #ukedchat I think @oliverquinlan is very

interested in Kagan but he's not here this evening
as a child, i went to all boys school & i missed out on socialising with
Mr_Thorne 20:41:00
girls until my teaching degree which was mainly female #ukedchat
@dughall @KnikiDavies Our FP teachers tend to choose

bevevans22 20:41:00 dinosaur/space/hands on topics to 'engage' boys as girls will join in
anyway #ukedchat
RT @Joga5: @tonycassidy @colport Would agree that it is equally

janwebb21 20:41:00
successful for both groups if pedagogy sound #ukedchat
@mark_wood no noticable difference in performance between the

MrsThorne 20:41:00
genders either year #ukedchat
@curricadvocate Would agree on the structuring of ethos

Joga5 20:41:00
#ukedchat
@DuncanTigerHero would be interested to hear about the

ProEdNet 20:41:00
successes and difficulties this choice resulted in? #ukedchat
@squiggle7 @foresterjo #ukedchat All the info I have I got from

here http://www.kaganonline.com/ in the free articles section
@dughall @KnikiDavies Even if covering Fairy Tales they often go for

bevevans22 20:42:00
one with a male lead!! But we are very boy heavy #ukedchat
#ukedchat in my yr 12 class the girls r much more willing 2 stand up

mark_wood 20:42:00 & present. In KS1&2 last yr it was much more the boys, a nice
change
@tonycassidy @Joga5 Very good point about pedagogy. Something
colport 20:42:00 that is overlooked in favor of prescribed cont. Worthy of its own
#ukedchat !
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@KnikiDavies Great, Kagan has always been very popular here but
ProEdNet 20:42:00 would love to hear more info on teachers with more practical exp.
#ukedchat
@Joga5 Gosh - pedagogy - that's a blast from the past! Vital though!
#ukedchat
A21st Century Boys good read and worth looking at for this debate.
#ukedchat. Sue Palmer's pop education.
janwebb21 20:42:00 n@bevevans22 ours too #ukedchat
@ICTtower didn't really clock the SoW as not gender neutral til I
MrsThorne 20:42:00
couldn't get the girl-heavy group to do the activities! #ukedchat
@ICTtower @dawnhallybone I've always found it to be the other

tonycassidy 20:42:00 way- as a student I had more respect for my female teachers...
#ukedchat
@KnikiDavies thanks, have seen that site before but will take a
squiggle7 20:42:00
deeper look #ukedchat
@bevevans22 I do know what you're saying. Element of devil's

dughall 20:43:00
advocate from me tonight :-) #ukedchat
@janwebb21 I thought ewac was a mis - spelling of a star wars

character :) #ukedchat
@ForesterJo yes I had a group last yr that drowned out some girls
mrswaustin 20:43:00 with their answers & opinions. Kagan gave them all a chance
#ukedchat
@bevevans22 Fairy tales is easy to deliver for boys as well

colport 20:43:00
nowadays....via Shrek! #ukedchat
@cybraryman1 #ukedchat don't they need good teachers first and

Catriona_O 20:43:00
foremost?
@dughall I'm sure it can. I only ask because I see more boys
ICTtower 20:43:00 misbehave in classes with female teachers than male in secondary
#ukedchat
@TheHeadsOffice Had someone in a "get you" way when we started

Joga5 20:43:00
talking about it at training last term #ukedchat
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family attitudes influence kids behaviour so in some areas the

CHAR0ULA 20:43:00
problem is worse need to change adult ways first #ukedchat
TheHeadsOffice 20:43:00 Anyone let classes above FS use outside learning areas? #ukedchat
@mrswaustin #ukedchat Is there a particular book on Kagan that

you would recommend? Feel a trip to Amazon coming on... :o)
didactylos 20:44:00 #ukedchat this hour always flies by, less than 15 mins left
I found this a really interesting read 'Trouble with Boys' -Tyre,

http://amzn.to/aG6moO - #ukedchat
@ICTtower They were obviously never taught by my wife! ;-)

dughall 20:44:00
#ukedchat
@TheHeadsOffice @Joga5 So, if teachers/schools concentrate on

curricadvocate 20:44:00 ethos can we move to focussing on learning without stereotypes?
#ukedchat
I thought that the sport/clever thing might be mainly Welsh and

bevevans22 20:44:00
cultural but it would appear not #ukedchat
ForesterJo 20:44:00 @Mr_Thorne and then made up for it?????????????????#ukedchat
RT @Catriona_O: @cybraryman1 #ukedchat don't they need good

Joga5 20:44:00
teachers first and foremost? >>>Yes every time
Catriona_O: @cybraryman1 don't they need good teachers first and

sellyeve 20:44:00
foremost? Completely agree! #ukedchat
Forget 'girls'' or 'boys'' subjects: boys love Literature or HE, girls love
TweeterofWit 20:44:00
Technology or Physics. It's subjects and students! #ukedchat
#ukedchat if a Male brain is motivated by competition and winning

didactylos 20:45:00
if it can't win in one way it looks for other games to play.....
@TweeterofWit My personal experience of that is completely

altrudrama 20:45:00 different - I think each class probably has a different mix of faves
#ukedchat
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@colport :) Animated films make every topic easy - Shrek (fairy

bevevans22 20:45:00
tales), Lion King (Africa), Bug's Life (minibeasts) etc. etc :) #ukedchat
@curricadvocate That must be the aim - it is so institutionally and

Joga5 20:45:00
societally embedded that it is hard #ukedchat
@TweeterofWit Absolutely right. I can't come to terms with this

geraldhaigh1 20:45:00
topic at all. #ukedchat
LOL! RT @dughall: @ICTtower They were obviously never taught by

ICTtower 20:45:00
my wife! ;-) #ukedchat
@ICTtower IMO and experience, discipline is gender ambiguous

dughall 20:45:00
#ukedchat
janwebb21 20:45:00 @dawnhallybone I mean at the same time as following #ukedchat
@dawnhallybone it's fun based learning based on film characters,

janwebb21 20:45:00 apparently ;) prob more to do with trying to make shepherd's pie
#ukedchat
RT @MrsThorne Took out lots of role play/tableaux/competitions,
mark_wood 20:45:00 girls just not enthused by them. More essay practice #ukedchat V
interesting
RT @Catriona_O @cybraryman1 #ukedchat don't they need good
carolrainbow 20:45:00 teachers first and foremost? Yes! Good teachers will teach without
gender issues
TheHeadsOffice 20:45:00 @dughall You naughty boy!! #ukedchat
#ukedchat I'm detecting a few strands that look at the power of

effective teaching to remove gender barriers. Any further thoughts?
RT @didactylos: #ukedchat if a Male brain is motivated by

bartoneducation 20:46:00 competition and winning if it can't win in one way it looks for other
games to play.....
important that teachers don't perpetuate stereotypes - first and

sellyeve 20:46:00
foremost, children are individuals #ukedchat
geraldhaigh1 20:46:00 Should have voted. #ukedchat
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@TheHeadsOffice That's me labeled then (for the second time

dughall 20:46:00
tonight @Joga5 ) :-) #ukedchat
@Joga5 @sellyeve @carolrainbow @Catriona_O Yes, of course they

cybraryman1 20:46:00 need good teachers first. Better if it was good male teacher.
#ukedchat
RT @dughall: @ICTtower IMO and experience, discipline is gender

ambiguous #ukedchat <-- nicely put
RT @dughall: @bevevans22 know wht U're saying. devil's advocate

Catriona_O 20:46:00 from me 2nite :-) #ukedchat me 2. have atypical children from both
sexes
@TheHeadsOffice Benefit of having Hist dept in mobiles on field
MrsThorne 20:46:00 means lots of room for reenactments :) try to do it regularly
#ukedchat
RT @TheHeadsOffice: Anyone let classes above FS use outside
ForesterJo 20:46:00 learning areas? #ukedchat our KS1 classes have full day of forest
school each wk
RT @dughall: @ICTtower They were obviously never taught by my

ForesterJo 20:47:00
wife! ;-) #ukedchat OR ME!
as teachers we do not stereotype by race or religion so why is

gender still an issue - we are all learners #ukedchat
Why are boys three more time likely to be diagnosed with ADHD?
#ukedchat
bartoneducation 20:47:00 Films and learning - subject for #ukedchat? @bevevans22
@didactylos FS bad label: either the standards are wrong OR

John_Pallister 20:47:00 learners are not 'Functional' -sort out standards vs sort learning
#ukedchat
Catriona_O 20:47:00 I don't feel like we've really got anywhere tonight #ukedchat
@mrswaustin if you have any info on Kagan would love to read

ForesterJo 20:47:00
#ukedchat important to allow all chance to offer their ideas
@ICTtower @dughall Women have it harder-research shows deep

marketspi 20:47:00 voice has more authority. Some women get reli high pitch when
cross! #ukedchat
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#ukedchat one topic that always encourages our boys to get

janwebb21 20:47:00 involved is the stop-frame animation unit - they re-enact rapunzel
really well!
@Catriona_O @Joga5 @sellyeve @carolrainbow These boys did not

have any positive male role models #ukedchat
#ukedchat the male brain opting out is encapsulated in the 'its my

didactylos 20:47:00
ball and I'm going home' syndrome
RT @curricadvocate: #ukedchat I'm detecting strands that look at

katie_hague 20:48:00 the power of effective teaching to remove gender barriers.
>Cracked it!
RT @dawnhallybone: as teachers we do not stereotype by race or
Joga5 20:48:00 religion so why is gender still an issue - we are all learners
#ukedchat
RT @sellyeve: important teachers don't perpetuate stereotypes -
carolrainbow 20:48:00 first & foremost, chn are individuals #ukedchat - Teach to their
strengths;)
@tonycassidy Coz the world moves too slowly for the ones I know.
#ukedchat
dughall 20:48:00 @TheHeadsOffice :-) #ukedchat
One thing that is helping in our school is introduction of FP style

bevevans22 20:48:00 learning into KS2 classroom - enough variety for both genders
#ukedchat
@marketspi I worked for a 6ft 4 Head teacher he never shouted or

Joga5 20:48:00
used his deep voice for some reason!! #ukedchat
scholaforis 20:48:00 @ForesterJo #ukedchat mixed KS2 class often out @theheadsoffice
Social Learning - Lesson Ideas for Teachers http://t.co/ABflXWo

nancyrubin 20:48:00
#smchat #edchat #ukedchat #web20chat
@dughall I expect you're sitting at the back as well!@Joga5

#ukedchat
RT @carolrainbow: RT @sellyeve: important teachers don't

TheHeadsOffice 20:49:00 perpetuate stereotypes - first & foremost, chn are individuals
#ukedchat - Teach to their strengths;)
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DrAshCasey 20:49:00 @didactylos so true and such a shame #ukedchat
@ForesterJo we had training days on it. Will DM you details

mrswaustin 20:49:00 tomorrow if you like. Too tired to remember name of firm! Sorry:)
#ukedchat
dughall 20:49:00 religion so why is gender still an issue - we are all learners
#ukedchat
#ukedchat yes children are individuals but put 30 in same room and
Cgeo28 20:49:00 things change. Gender as well as ability, age, etc has to be
considered.
RT @dawnhallybone: as teachers we do not stereotype by race
bevevans22 20:49:00 /religion so why is gender still an issue - we are all learners
#ukedchat <true
RT @tonycassidy: Why are boys three more time likely to be

dughall 20:49:00
diagnosed with ADHD? #ukedchat (Good Question)
RT @marketspi: Women have it harder-research shows deep voice

ICTtower 20:49:00 has more authority. Some women get reli high pitch when cross!
#ukedchat
@helenmew I think we've lost the play instinct in secondary

DrAshCasey 20:49:00
teaching. #ukedchat
heard a colleague talking about why her class were a pain today -
simonhowells 20:49:00 "well they're mostly boys" was her opener - my heart sank...
#ukedchat
RT @ForesterJo: RT @TheHeadsOffice: Anyone let classes above FS
Mr_Thorne 20:49:00 use outside learning areas? #ukedchat Same here! Forest school is
awesome
the gender discussion come around to the usual conclusion of using
tonycassidy 20:50:00 a variety of methods to engage learners- irrespective of gender
#ukedchat
@Mr_Thorne @ForesterJo Is there a difference in the learning in

JfB57 20:50:00
Forest school activities between m/f? #ukedchat
@tonycassidy similar issue with autism: way more common in boys

MrsThorne 20:50:00
#ukedchat
@dughall even higher for conditions such as autism, dyslexia

sellyeve 20:50:00
#ukedchat
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@bevevans22 My last school did that too to great effect. Focused

learning on interests of children, engagement for all! #ukedchat
@cybraryman1 are you perpetuating stereotypes? ;-) I can't believe

that!! #ukedchat
RT @DrAshCasey @helenmew I think we've lost the play instinct in

Laura_987 20:50:00 secondary teaching. #ukedchat >> definitely - how would we bring it
back?
@dawnhallybone True, though I've also seen the same lessons
ICTtower 20:50:00 received differently depending on staff. Personality also important
#ukedchat
@dawnhallybone #ukedchat I think it's an issue because the data is

suggesting that boys' writing is a real issue nationally
@DrAshCasey We have lost play in much of KS2. Last week we

Joga5 20:50:00
talked about bringing playfulness into teaching #ukedchat
@KnikiDavies Done fab talk for writing projects that boys love -
altrudrama 20:51:00 hardest part was getting them to sit & write. Imaginations great
#ukedchat
clairelowe2 20:51:00 religion so why is gender still an issue - we are all learners
#ukedchat
@Joga5 That's what the extension of FP and outdoor curriculum has

bevevans22 20:51:00
done with us - brought back play and exploration #ukedchat
@Cgeo28 considered yes - but we need to try & park our

sellyeve 20:51:00
preconceived ideas at the door! #ukedchat
RT @dughall: RT @dawnhallybone: as teachers we do not

BeeBecF 20:51:00 stereotype by race or religion so why is gender still an issue - we are
all learners #ukedchat
CHAR0ULA 20:51:00 @dawnhallybone society has a lot to do with that I think #ukedchat
Catriona_O 20:51:00 @didactylos ok - haha! #ukedchat but I know I'm right:-)
#Ukedchat sorry been working just joined in! Looks like it's been a
clairelowe2 20:51:00
lively discussion :-)
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@JfB57 #ukedchat so what would be your first steps in developing

an understanding of staff inner beliefs to develop ethos?
@tonycassidy thankyou for adding a welcome, measured

Catriona_O 20:52:00
perspective. I agree. And so it should be. #ukedchat
Some women get reli high pitch when cross! #ukedchat > knew 1 of
mrswaustin 20:52:00 those- disliked by all children!! Sounded like fingers down a
blackboard!
@DrAshCasey I hear a lot of 2dry teachers completely discount play
MrsThorne 20:52:00 cos of the drive for better results: "no time" So backwards!
#ukedchat
@dughall @MrsThorne @Catriona_O I'm not disputing the
tonycassidy 20:52:00 disorder, but are we medicating a vision of a certain type of
classroom #ukedchat
@bevevans22 but it's more than giving play opportunities it is about

Joga5 20:52:00
being playful as an adult working with kids #ukedchat
@Mr_Thorne do you take your children for forest school? must

ForesterJo 20:52:00
chat more..........#ukedchat
@Catriona_O Only male role models these boys knew were gang
bangers & drug dealers http://bit.ly/a4oisa #ukedchat
RT @tonycassidy: the gender discussion come around to the usual

bartoneducation 20:52:00 conclusion of using a variety of methods to engage learners-
irrespective of gender #ukedchat
Have lots of summer born boys & eager girls in Y1. Trying to work
primarypete_ 20:52:00 out how to match needs whilst still having to teach lit&num hour
#ukedchat
@bevevans22 We did a FS profile across a whole of a primary

school. Staff in Yr.6 were amazed what it told them! #ukedchat
#ukedchat If gender differences is deeply ingrained into societal

values, then as educators we have a duty to be counter-cultural.
RT @JfB57 Is there a difference in the learning in Forest school

Mr_Thorne 20:53:00 activities between m/f? #ukedchat it recently inspired their writing
m&f
@Catriona_O yes and i know you are right, cos I'm always wrong in
didactylos 20:53:00
my house! #ukedchat
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@Laura_987 @helenmew I did it in phys Ed by having design and

DrAshCasey 20:53:00 the play their own games rather than playing traditional games
#ukedchat
ICTtower 20:53:00 Does anyone have a good link to use for using Kagan? #ukedchat
@sellyeve #ukedchat Autism, dyslexia etc genuinely are more

KnikiDavies 20:53:00 common in boys, is ADHD really or are energetic boys being
misdiagnosed?
What part does society play?- Might say "how are you monster?" to
SkoorBttaM 20:53:00
boy, say it to a girl and they''ll be shocked #ukedchat
RT @sellyeve- but we need to try & park our preconceived ideas at

Cgeo28 20:53:00
the door! #ukedchat > some ideas come from experience though
@Catriona_O actually agree, but these hours are always about

didactylos 20:53:00 expanding ideas, not time to really 'get anywhere' in 60 mins
#ukedchat
RT @dughall: RT @tonycassidy: Y are boys three more time likely to
TheHeadsOffice 20:53:00 be diagnosed with ADHD? #ukedchat > Easier than changing
teaching style?
RT @nancyrubin: Social Learning - Lesson Ideas for Teachers

rkiker 20:54:00
http://t.co/ABflXWo #smchat #edchat #ukedchat #web20chat
dughall 20:54:00 @MrsThorne Not just 2ary unfortunately. #ukedchat
Top 100 Tools for Learning 2010 http://bit.ly/cZDsH2 #ukedchat

NSRiazat 20:54:00
#twittereducator
@dughall: @tonycassidy: Why are boys 3 x more likely to be

carolrainbow 20:54:00 diagnosed with ADHD? #ukedchat Bored Boy syndrome or illness?
(diving for cover)
@bevevans22 The FS approach was at the core of the new

curriculum! #ukedchat
@tonycassidy Is ADHD just being overly boyish? #ukedchat

SkoorBttaM 20:54:00
#controversial
bevevans22 20:54:00 @Joga5 Just as well I'm a nutter then, innit ;) #ukedchat
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sellyeve 20:54:00 @KnikiDavies sadly, I suspect you're right! #ukedchat
RT @tonycassidy the gender discussion come around to usual

John_Pallister 20:54:00 conclusion -using a variety of methods to engage learners-
#ukedchat
RT @TheHeadsOffice @bevevans22 We did a FS profile across a
Laura_987 20:54:00 whole of a primary school. #ukedchat >potential blog post from
@TheHeadsOffice?
@Laura_987 #ukedchat Play in 2ndry? let the kids be kids again -
scholaforis 20:54:00 the'll rembember how to play. They might thk u- ltd opportunities
elsewhere
Joga5 20:55:00 THREE MINUTE WARNING #ukedchat
@Laura_987 @TheHeadsOffice Not sure how FS compares to FP in

bevevans22 20:55:00
Wales but I bet the results were a revelation #ukedchat
U mayn't like Michael Macintyre but here he is on gender

dughall 20:55:00 differences (from 5m 30s) http://youtu.be/Nd--6cWBIVU #ukedchat
(stereotype alert!)
I sometimes suspect it! RT @SkoorBttaM: @tonycassidy Is ADHD

ICTtower 20:55:00
just being overly boyish? #ukedchat #controversial
@ForesterJo I used to last year at the school I worked at...smelly

Mr_Thorne 20:55:00
cocktails are the best! all hail the firesteel! #ukedchat
@bevevans22 Not a nutter - beautifully playful and full of

Joga5 20:55:00
childnessness!!!! #ukedchat
My research shows that developing a creative curriculum with

clairelowe2 20:55:00 motivation challenge & reflection @the heart ALL learners succeed
#Ukedchat
@MrsThorne #ukedchat in 2ndry we always reinforce failure rather

didactylos 20:55:00
than try alternative strategies
Girl/Boy thing. There are differences. But if you teach to gender you
only recognise one aspect of child. #ukedchat
@skoorBttaM Yep, research shows an adult will adjust tone and

helenmew 20:55:00
language dependent on gender of newest-born baby #ukedchat
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@KnikiDavies got a training manual type thing with all different

mrswaustin 20:56:00 structures. I keep it at school, will tweet it in the morning.
#ukedchat
Catriona_O 20:56:00 @Joga5 eek! have we got anywhere?#ukedchat
@Catriona_O 'snot fair, girls are always right, storms off in a huff....
didactylos 20:56:00
#ukedchat
@curricadvocate Explore what sterotypes are & get peer visits just
TheHeadsOffice 20:56:00 to look at what is happening in class. Need real trust though!
#ukedchat
@TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat - is that the Rose curriculum or one

you have sorted yourself?
@skoorBttaM If not sure of gender then many adults display

helenmew 20:56:00 disorientation and unsure how to interact with even tiniest baby
#ukedchat
Slightly different perspective now - I find I have to act a bit more

ICTtower 20:57:00
'laddish' with my all boy group to encourage cooperation. #ukedchat
@TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat Agree - also work on stereotype issues

with wider stakeholder groups?
@Mr_Thorne @JfB57 Talk for Writing through Forest School type

ForesterJo 20:57:00
approach - extended writing better for b&g #ukedchat
#ukedchat it's all down to personalised learning & finding the key to
lisacov19 20:57:00
unlock the learning potential ..... What are the motivators?
@Catriona_O its how they judge their self esteem that's often the
didactylos 20:57:00
problem #ukedchat
colport 20:57:00 Concluding thoughts from #ukedchat session?
TheHeadsOffice 20:57:00 @Laura_987 Hadn't thought of that! Many thanks! #ukedchat
@curricadvocate @JfB57 need strong school values well developed

and understood by all #Ukedchat
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@Joga5 I think being fairly relaxed and laid back helps too. Or at
bevevans22 20:57:00
least appearing that way...#ukedchat
@dughall Got a wake up call to play last yr when Y11 boy able to
MrsThorne 20:57:00 recall what I wore in re-enactment lesson I taught to him in Y10
#ukedchat
RT @digitalmaverick: Y6 to write biogs of fam Victorians 1 kid's givn
colport 20:57:00 James Arkwright - can find v little abt him - teacher error?
#ukedchat
RT @ForesterJo: @JfB57 - its ever so funny though, a drop of rain,

Mr_Thorne 20:58:00
and the parents ask if we're still going outside or not lol #ukedchat
@MrsThorne but with performance management and public

DrAshCasey 20:58:00 shaming by heads...the pressure compromises pedagogy quality
#ukedchat
ForesterJo 20:58:00 @Mr_Thorne you mean all hail the dragon's breath! #ukedchat
dughall 20:58:00 @MrsThorne Like it! :-) #ukedchat
#ukedchat We really never had ADHD until about 15-20 years ago.
carolrainbow 20:58:00 Where did it come from? I am very suspicious, sport, play
engagement needed
KnikiDavies 20:58:00 @mrswaustin Thank you very much! #ukedchat
@Catriona_O I think so but i dread writing this up for the #ukedchat

Joga5 20:58:00
site!!!
tonycassidy 20:58:00 Thanks for an interesting discussion- bedtime #ukedchat
RT @bartoneducation: Girl/Boy thing. There are differences. But if

clairelowe2 20:58:00 you teach to gender you only recognise one aspect of child.
#ukedchat
Look - I am totally fine with anyone who is ADHD or anything else -

Catriona_O 20:58:00
just let's try to get it right for EVERYONE? #ukedchat
RT @bartoneducation: Girl/Boy thing. There are differences. But if

ForesterJo 20:59:00 you teach to gender you only recognise one aspect of child.
#ukedchat
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#ukedchat as always very stimulating and challenging, thanks all, but

didactylos 20:59:00
Gareth calls.....
@curricadvocate We were working towards it. FS led the whole

TheHeadsOffice 20:59:00 thing starting with their data on FSP!Staff had no idea they did
any!#ukedchat
AsherJac 20:59:00 religion so why is gender still an issue - we are all learners
#ukedchat
@carolrainbow It has nothing to do with the benefit system does it?

colport 20:59:00
;-) #ukedchat
RT @ForesterJo: @Mr_Thorne you mean all hail the dragon's

Mr_Thorne 20:59:00
breath! #ukedchat
#ukedchat forest school and learning outdoors very collaberative

and shared experience for all - Try it
@colport There are no answers. Everyone's different. Personalised

bevevans22 20:59:00 learning & offering variety in the classroom might help things?
#ukedchat
@helenmew and that's from birth. why don't we complain about

SkoorBttaM 20:59:00
how boys are portrayed on bill boards, adverts etc?!! #ukedchat
RT @Cgeo28 #ukedchat yes kids 4 individuals but put 30 in same

MissCitizenship 20:59:00 room & things change. Gender as well as ability, age, etc has 2b
considered
sellyeve 20:59:00 Many thanks to all! #ukedchat
It's a great debate. Both genders deliver the deals in different ways.
Could go on ... #ukedchat.
RT @bartoneducation: Girl/Boy thing. There are differences. But if u

JaneWoods3 20:59:00 teach 2 gender you only recognise 1 aspect of child. #ukedchat -
true!!
RT @carolrainbow: #ukedchat We really never had ADHD until
colport 20:59:00 about 15-20 years ago. Where did it come from? I am very
suspicious, sport, play engagement needed
still convinced that if the attitudes of the families towards boys and
CHAR0ULA 21:00:00
girls change the kids will perform the same at school #ukedchat
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I agree RT #ukedchat We really never had ADHD until about 15-20

ICTtower 21:00:00
years ago. Where did it come from? I am very suspicious,....
ForesterJo 21:00:00 @Mr_Thorne the parents or the staff?????????????????#ukedchat
Time's up - thanks for a great hour - will try to get it written up

Joga5 21:00:00
when my head has stopped spinning! #ukedchat
RT @clairelowe2: @curricadvocate @JfB57 need strong school

values well developed and understood by all #Ukedchat
BONG x9 It's 9pm. Another #ukedchat has whizzed by! Thanks to

ukedchat 21:00:00 @Joga5 for hosting & thank you for participating. Hope it got you
thinking!
icttalk 21:00:00 #ukedchat Sorry I'm late. Whatever happened to personalisation?
ICTtower 21:01:00 1st time here - manic! But enjoyed it #ukedchat
RT @scholaforis: #ukedchat forest school and learning outdoors

ForesterJo 21:01:00 very collaborative and shared experience for all - Try it - do the
training!
@carolrainbow #ukedchat ADHD - wow. have you been reading
curricadvocate 21:01:00 Ofsted publications? goes back to good teaching again. consistency
of approaches
RT @ukedchat: @janwebb21 is hosting #ukedchat next week. The

PTPIPaige 21:01:00
poll is already available at http://ukedchat.wikispaces.com/poll
Oh look....Gareth is on BBC2 now, trying to engage boys in primary

colport 21:01:00
school #ukedchat
MrsThorne 21:01:00 @DrAshCasey Sad about it. We need more risk takers #ukedchat
@curricadvocate We amalgamated with Infants so had to develop a

vision so got parents involved. #Ukedchat
@janwebb21 is hosting #ukedchat next week. The poll is already

ukedchat 21:01:00
available at http://ukedchat.wikispaces.com/poll
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Thank you all VERY much! Great discussion & we can change
society!! #Ukedchat
Catriona_O: @cybraryman1 #ukedchat don't they need good

sellyeve 21:02:00
teachers first and foremost?
@TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat cool - just seen it missed out too often

when developing an ethos that insists on reducing stereotyping.
New blog post - keynote from a digital media conf. New and really
Joga5 21:02:00
detailed booklist on it http://tinyurl.com/373g2eh #ukedchat
#ukedchat: Thank you to @Joga5 for hosting - can't believe it is

over already - was five minutes late arriving - sorry about that ;-)
@curricadvocate No - no time to read Ofsted report yet - must do

carolrainbow 21:03:00 that this weekend. But pretty sure good teachers avoid ADHD probs
#ukedchat
#ukedchat over for another week (although it will continue on as
bevevans22 21:03:00 usual). Well done @Joga5 - you were Mr Awesome keeping us in
check!
@ukedchat thanks! sorry I was only able to dip in and out tonight -
janwebb21 21:03:00
looking forward to a good chat next week! #ukedchat
@bartoneducation heehee! I do let myself down by not learning to

Joga5 21:03:00
bite my tongue! #ukedchat
CHAR0ULA 21:03:00 thanks a lot @Joga5 #ukedchat
@ICTtower and these kids are receiving medication for it!

SkoorBttaM 21:03:00
#ukedchat
curricadvocate 21:03:00 #ukedchat @Joga5. Thanks. Great chat. Blog started.
@colport just off to watch it myself - just wish their teachers would
ForesterJo 21:03:00
SMILE!!!!!! #ukedchat
@ForesterJo They seem so negative about it....rather than joining

colport 21:04:00
the journey and enthusiasm #ukedchat
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RT @ForesterJo: RT @scholaforis: #ukedchat forest school and

kindlinglily 21:04:00 learning outdoors very collaborative and shared experience for all -
Try it - do the training!
Joga5 21:04:00 @CHAR0ULA No worries - a great chat tonight #ukedchat
@curricadvocate Likewise! Thinking about more inclusive

Joga5 21:04:00 pedagogies (that awful phrase quality first teaching comes in!)
#ukedchat
@Joga5 Thank you Sir - don't envy you writing this one up!
ForesterJo 21:04:00
#ukedchat - sounds like conference went well too! :0)
@Joga5 Thank you for doing such a splendid job!! Shall we build in
TheHeadsOffice 21:04:00 fines for those late arrivers or sweets for those on time!!:)
#Ukedchat
My first #ukedchat - thanks to everyone - only a governor so not a

helenmew 21:05:00
professional, but lots of food for thought, cheers
@Mr_Thorne we're definitely getting there and it certainly makes all

ForesterJo 21:05:00
the difference #ukedchat
@Joga5 sorry to have missed a lot of #ukedchat - looking forward to

janwebb21 21:05:00
catching up with the lists!
@Joga5 No, its a classic. Do you do a reading list for #ukedchat?

bartoneducation 21:05:00 Links etc. I could do one for this one and see how it turns out. Boy-
thing
@ForesterJo I was a bit hyper as an hour keynote but they seemed

Joga5 21:05:00
to enjoy it!!! #ukedchat
RT @carolrainbow: #ukedchat We really never had ADHD until

sellyeve 21:06:00 about 15-20 years ago. Where did it come from? I am very
suspicious, sport, play engagement needed
#ukedchat - my first! thanks, very interesting. good to develop
scholaforis 21:06:00 further with some folk. Paperwork concentration may now suffer
tonight!
@TheHeadsOffice It was fast and furious hour but loved it!

Joga5 21:06:00
#ukedchat
@carolrainbow ADHD drug Ritalin discovered/ created before

Baggiepr 21:06:00
"condition" clever marketing. #ukedchat
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RT @Joga5: New blog post - keynote from a digital media conf. New
primarypete_ 21:06:00 and really detailed booklist on it http://tinyurl.com/373g2eh
#ukedchat
@ebd35 You will have to make sure it's on you set the alarm on
bevevans22 21:07:00 your phone for #ukedchat :) Paul suggests banging yourself on the
head!!
RT @herrn96: Ofsted subject-specific guidance docs make for
PhoenixSher 21:07:00 interesting reading, esp quality of teaching and curriculum
#ukedchat http://bit.ly/9XfXjj
Great #ukedchat thanks all, some really interesting views on the
ProEdNet 21:07:00 topic, would really value any feedback from all on upcoming
Proednet survey
colport 21:07:00 @bevanbar Do you mean #ukedchat ?
@Mr_Thorne have asked all staff to think about lang use-not

ForesterJo 21:07:00 starting sentences with STOP!, DON'T, NO-hard but making a
difference #ukedchat
RT @Baggiepr: @carolrainbow ADHD drug Ritalin discovered/
carolrainbow 21:08:00 created before "condition" clever marketing. #ukedchat Worrying to
say the least!
@janwebb21 Have got another couple on the go! Environmental

Joga5 21:08:00
and one called Beautiful Books! #ukedchat
one of my year 1 children today asked me to help him put his

Mr_Thorne 21:09:00
swimming bag on him 'the postman way' ...how cute! #ukedchat
gutted missed #ukedchat tonight. Argh. was busy doing SEN

dan_bowen 21:09:00
stuff....oh well will read over and catch up
Anyone got a good way to encourage students to an after school

Mallrat_uk 21:09:00
astronomy club? #ukedchat
Work interrupted by an interesting #ukedchat. Back to it now - lots

altrudrama 21:09:00 of writing & planning to do to let everyone know about our new
projects
RT @ProEdNet: The Independent looks at the achievements of the
lauradoggett 21:10:00 Teach First programme as it begins its expansion http://bit.ly/citUi0
#ukedchat
@carolrainbow I agree. Unfortunately most good teachers would
cybraryman1 21:10:00 not stay in our school because of the conditions. High turnover.
#ukedchat
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RT @herrn96: Ofsted subject-specific guidance docs make for

dan_bowen 21:10:00 interesting reading, esp quality of teaching and curriculum
#ukedchat http://bit.ly/9XfXjj
RT @ProEdNet: The Independent looks at the achievements of the
dan_bowen 21:10:00 Teach First programme as it begins its expansion http://bit.ly/citUi0
#ukedchat
@curricadvocate actually more in tune with CPR although not

enough new tech in Alexander yet! #ukedchat
KnikiDavies 21:11:00 OUCH! The Kagan book is Â£38 on Amazon!!!! #ukedchat
janwebb21 21:11:00 @Joga5 #ukedchat looking forward to it!
IslingtonEMAS 21:11:00 Would like to join in a #ukedchat what's the next topic?
@cybraryman1 Yes - lots of money probably the only answer -

Golden hellos etc :-( #ukedchat
ukedchat 21:12:00 The #ukedchat archive process has started
RT @teachingmusicuk: "We are Teaching Music" report launches

cliffmanning 21:12:00 tomorrow - get a sneak peak at http://bit.ly/alIRhr #musiced
#ukedchat #edchat
@IslingtonEMAS It is up to the vote. See here

colport 21:13:00
http://ukedchat.wikispaces.com/poll #ukedchat
dughall 21:13:00 RT @CHAR0ULA: thanks a lot @Joga5 #ukedchat
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username time status

May be more of a watcher/lurker than active participant in

dawnhallybone 19:56:00 cat is settling in for #ukedchat too http://yfrog.com/msoalgj

one minute to go before we start the boys and girls discussion in

RT @colport: 5 minutes until #ukedchat with @Joga5 - Interesting

ForesterJo 19:58:00 #ukedchat - interesting topic!

simcloughlin 19:58:00 Tweets unprotected! #ukedchat

So the question is What is different between the ways in which boys

#ukedchat it certainly matters, for many years I firmly believed the

Shall we start with five minutes of setting of personal views on the

#ukedchat guess we are going to be talking about maturity, culture,

I think difference must matter given consistent analysis that shows

@didactylos was there one incident or experience which brought

RT @Joga5: So the question is What is different between the ways

or are there clear differences in Primary teachers' expectations of

RT @Joga5: So the question is What is different between the ways

#ukedchat key question is mentally are there clear differences in

As children develop the way they learn becomes more apparent,

The importance is to have a variety of learning styles what ever the

RT @didactylos: #ukedchat key question is mentally are there clear

RT @colport: Ok, from my perspective in primary, there are some

#ukedchat there is received wisdom that some subject areas are

@didactylos I agree I think there is a spectrum, its individuals rather

#ukedchat We've got a big discrepancy in girls/boys performance at

@kvnmcl but is that difference a norm of society that they learn

#ukedchat very general, but girls appearing more reluctant to take

@squiggle7 @Joga5 Expectations can play such a big part in any

if there are differences in learning there are most likely differences

maturity is a major factor, a lot of boys seem to take longer to

RT @didactylos: #ukedchat key question is mentally are there clear

#ukedchat - IMO younger boys need to be a lot more physical active

DeputyMitchell 20:04:00 I'm talking Primary school (last tweet!) #ukedchat

TheHeadsOffice 20:04:00 @kvnmcl Glad I'm not a tom boy! #ukedchat

@kvnmcl @ForesterJo Boys are very competitive. Also many seem

#ukedchat Generally boys love competition, and kinaesthetic

@Joga5 #ukedchat no I came through the battle for equality in the

@DeputyMitchell @colport We've got very few male teachers but

@DeputyMitchell No...I think girls respond positively to the male

Giving #ukedchat a miss tonight as just back from LONG day

@deerwood from my percieved objective it's apparent,that's from

@Joga5 It could be, I don't stereotype in class but you do see it

RT @DuncanTigerHero Generally boys love competition, and

#ukedchat are boys more susceptible to a lack of a father figure.

@didactylos #ukedchat I think that depends how they're taught.

Expectations play a part when it concerns the gender of the teacher.

OK first question? Do girls in primary schools ever experience 'girl

#ukedchat met an NQT today who I taught 10yrs ago. He was

TheHeadsOffice 20:07:00 @simcloughlin Describe 'blokey' please! #ukedchat

@dawnhallybone You're right of course, but there are differences -

@deerwood Yes agree #ukedchat - belief and expectations. If we

RT @dawnhallybone: boys / girls - they are all children who have

@didactylos but some more differently equal than others? !!!

@DeputyMitchell I don't think the problem would disappear, it

I am female - but played and coached rugby and football at

@dawnhallybone agree I think sometimes society continues the

http://bit.ly/aeqDQh #ukedchat "Growing no. prim schls have no

RT @deerwood: Is there not a pygmalion risk here .. if we believe

Cgeo28 20:09:00 #ukedchat - in my experience boys prefer fieldwork and LOTC

#ukedchat In terms of progress, I've always had better results with

@deafdotty @bevevans22 It is a real challenge...but can understand

@TheHeadsOffice The teacher that runs the football team, chats to

#ukedchat I agree we need a balanced approach to addressing

TheHeadsOffice 20:09:00 @DeputyMitchell Describe 'boy led activities' please #ukedchat