WWW - Sefindia 01

5/20/2018 www.sefindia.
org :: View topic - Structural Quantity Estimate for Steel buildings - Thumbrule
www.sefindia.org
STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING FORUM OF INDIA [SEFI]
Custom Search Search
Like 74K Share Follow @sefindia 4,316 followers
Subscriptions Digest Preferences FAQ Search Memberlist Usergroups Register Security Tips Donate
Profile Log in to check your private messages Log in to website Log in to forum
Warning: Make sure you scan the downloaded attachment with updated antivirus tools before opening them. They may contain viruses.
Use online scanners here and here to upload downloaded attachment to check for safety.
Structural Quantity Estimate for Steel buildings - Thumbrule

Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 Next
www.sefindia.org Forum Index -> SEFI General Discussion
View previous topic :: View next topic
Author Message
gpsarathyy Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 8:41 am Post subject: Structural Quantity Estimate for Steel buildings -
... Thumbrule
Dear Sefians,
I need to know the rough estimate quantity for the building and steel structures.
For the structures like,

Joined: 28 Jun 2010 Work shop building without crane - (xx) T/m³
Posts: 483
Location: chennai Work shop building with crane - (xx) T/m³
Simple Piperack Structure - (xx) T/m³
Piperack Structure with Air fin coolers at top etc., - (xx) T/m³
structural steel wt in Metric tonnes.

Volumn of the building - L X B X H in m³
If you are having interms of Tonne/m length also ok.

These details can be maintained by the experienced Engineers only.
I too have some values for the above listed structure, before putting that here, I like to get the
values from the other Experienced Engineers. If I put now all will comment and suggest based on
that value only.
The above value is not same through out the world, it depends on the design code, site location,
construction material available, type of construction etc.,
Still we can have some rough value for each structure.

Like a rule of thumb. After finishing our design we can cross check our design where we stand,
whether overdesigned or it is economical design...
If we get this one for all kinds of structure we can list here in SEFI. which will be very useful for the
young Engineers who are working in design.
Senior Engineers please give your opinion on this topic.
Regards,
G.Parthasarathy
Chennai.
GPSARATHYY@GMAIL.COM
Back to top
gpsarathyy Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 8:48 am Post subject:

...
Dear Sefians,
If it is available in any textbooks or hand books, please let me know.

If anybody is not interested in posting this in public forum, please mail it to me.
Joined: 28 Jun 2010 Regards,
https://www.sefindia.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9243&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 1/6
5/20/2018 www.sefindia.org :: View topic - Structural Quantity Estimate for Steel buildings - Thumbrule
Posts: 483 G.Parthasarathy
Location: chennai
Chennai.
Back to top
gpsarathyy Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:48 am Post subject:

...
Dear Sefians,
I am waiting for your opinion and sharing of knowledge in this topic.
Regards,
G.Parthasarathy
Joined: 28 Jun 2010 Chennai
Posts: 483 GPSARATHYY@GMAIL.COM
Location: chennai
Back to top
Dr. N. Subramanian Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 7:34 pm Post subject: Re: Structural Quantity Estimate for Steel buildings -
General Sponsor Thumb
Dear Er Parthasarathy,
App. steel quantities for Steel multi storey buildings may be assumed as below:
3-4 storey building- 35-40 kg/m^2
6-8 storey building 40-50 kg/m^2
The dead weight of truss,inclusive of bracings may be assumed as about 10% of the weight it is
going to support.
Joined: 21 Feb 2008

Posts: 5229
Formula for app. weight of truss is(when LL less than 2 kN/m^2)
Location: Gaithersburg, MD, w = 53.7 + 0.53 A
U.S.A.
where A is the area of one bay.
Best wishes,
NS
gpsarathyy wrote:
Dear Sefians,
I need to know the rough estimate quantity for the building and steel structures.
For the structures like,

Work shop building without crane - (xx) T/m³
Work shop building with crane - (xx) T/m³
Simple Piperack Structure - (xx) T/m³
Piperack Structure with Air fin coolers at top etc., - (xx) T/m³
structural steel wt in Metric tonnes.

Volumn of the building - L X B X H in m³
If you are having interms of Tonne/m length also ok.

These details can be maintained by the experienced Engineers only.
I too have some values for the above listed structure, before putting that here, I like to get the
values from the other Experienced Engineers. If I put now all will comment and suggest based
on that value only.
The above value is not same through out the world, it depends on the design code, site
location, construction material available, type of construction etc.,
Still we can have some rough value for each structure.

Like a rule of thumb. After finishing our design we can cross check our design where we stand,
whether overdesigned or it is economical design...
If we get this one for all kinds of structure we can list here in SEFI. which will be very useful for
the young Engineers who are working in design.
Senior Engineers please give your opinion on this topic.
Regards,
G.Parthasarathy
Chennai.
Back to top
gpsarathyy Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:29 am Post subject:

...
Dear NS Sir,
Thanks for you reply. I also like to have the values for the sheds (steel structure).
Regards,
G.Parthasarathy
Chennai
Joined: 28 Jun 2010
Posts: 483
Location: chennai
Back to top
nwalavalkar Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 6:14 am Post subject:

...
Piperack without fin fan coolers shall go up to 20 to 25 kg/m3

Joined: 18 Nov 2010
Posts: 62
With Fin fan coolers it is 23 to 28 kg/m3.
This is for pinned base and with deflection limit H/200.
Back to top
vikram.jeet Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 6:47 am Post subject: Structural Quantity Estimate for Steel buildings -
General Sponsor Thumbrule
Dr NS sir has very appropriately provided the figures for estimation of

steel quatty.
Rough computation is seen as under:

Approx. Quatty of steel
Joined: 26 Jan 2003
Posts: 2212
slabs - - - 80 to 100 Kg/m3
Beams - - - 200 to 250 Kg/m3
columns - - 200 to 225 kg/m3 ( taking average for full height)
footings - - 50 to 60 Kg/m3
Illustration:
A normal panel of size 5m X 5m (4 storied@ 3.5m ht)
Area = 25 sqmX 4 = 100 sqm
footing size 3.5X3.5m X 0.60 th
column size - - 40X40cm
Beam size - - 30 X 45cm
Slab th- - 150 thk
Slabs = (5*5-0.3*5*2)*0.15*90 *4 =1134 Kg

Beams = (5+5)*(0.3*0.45)*225 *4 =1215 Kg
Columns = (4*3.5+1.2)*0.4*0.4*212.5 =517 Kg
Footings = 3.5*3.5*0.60*60 =441 Kg
Total = 3307 Kg
Steel per sqm= 3307/100 = 33 Kg
(thus 35 to 40 Kg/m2 is appropriate)
For raft foundation it will be higher in case
of high rise.
best regards
vikramjeet
Dear Er Parthasarathy,
App. steel quantities for Steel multi storey buildings may be assumed as below:
3-4 storey building- 35-40 kg/m^2
6-8 storey building 40-50 kg/m^2
The dead weight of truss,inclusive of bracings may be assumed as about 10% of the weight it is
going to support.
Formula for app. weight of truss is(when LL less than 2 kN/m^2)

w = 53.7 + 0.53 A
where A is the area of one bay.
Best wishes,
NS
--
Posted via Email
Back to top
gpsarathyy Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:25 pm Post subject:

...
Dear MR.Vikram Jeet,
Thanks for giving the values. For concrete the estimate values are given in the codes (I think it is
given in the code IS 2974) and books also, likewise for the steel structure any code or book is
available? If yes please let me know.
Joined: 28 Jun 2010
Posts: 483
Location: chennai
Dear W
alavalkar,
Thanks for giving your opinion and values for the piperack. But I think it is for Indian code
IS 800 and with Limit state method design. If possible givethe values for the other steel
structures also.
Regards,
G.Parthasarathy
Chennai
Back to top
vikram.jeet Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 4:07 am Post subject: Structural Quantity Estimate for Steel buildings -
Dear Er G. Parthasarthy
For steel structures kindly see Indian standard IS SP-38 Handbook for
typified designs for structures with steel roof trusses
and
Joined: 26 Jan 2003
Posts: 2212
IS SP-40 for steel portal frames
Detailed Quatty for steel columns,base plates, trusses purlins

and other components are also given alongwith design for
A type as well as LTR trusses in SP -38
(spans upto 30m)
Quatty in terms of Kg/m2 is also available in both the codes.
Best regards
vikramjeet
Dear MR.Vikram Jeet,
Thanks for giving the values. For concrete the estimate values are given in the codes (I think it is
given in the code IS 2974) and books also, likewise for the steel structure any code or book is
available? If yes please let me know.
--
Posted via Email
Back to top
vikram.jeet Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 5:16 am Post subject: Structural Quantity Estimate for Steel buildings -
Dear Er G Parthasarthy ji
After checking from IS SP-38 for 24.0m span truss the exact weights are
as under (for wind pressures 150 Kg/m2):
Weight = Truss members+gusset,+Purlins+Tie runners
Truss - - A type (24.0m span)
Tubular /slope 1 in 3 /purlin spacing 4.5m - - - - 13.8 Kg/m2
Joined: 26 Jan 2003
Posts: 2212
Truss - - A type(24.0m span)

Angle /slope 1 in 3 /purlin spacing 4.5m - - - - 18.6 Kg/m2

A-type vs LTR truss
Truss - - A type Span - - - 12.0m

Truss - - Lean-to-roof Span - - - 12.0m
Effect of span on weight =Truss members+gusset,+Purlins+Tie runners

Tubular /slope 1 in 5 /purlin spacing 4.5m
Span 9.0m weight = 14.1 kg/m2

Hope above data may be useful for estimation

best wishes and regds
vikramjeet
--
Posted via Email
Back to top
Display posts from previous: All Posts Oldest First Go
www.sefindia.org Forum Index -> SEFI General All times are GMT
Discussion Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 Next
Page 1 of 5
Jump to: SEFI General Discussion Go

Translate topic Go
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum
© 2003, 2008 SEFINDIA, Indian Domain Registration
Publishing or acceptance of an advertisement is neither a guarantee nor endorsement of the advertiser's product or service. advertisement policy
Structural Engineering Forum of India

74,270 likes
Like Page Donate
2 friends like this

WWW - Sefindia 01

Transféré par

Informations du document

Titre original

Copyright

Formats disponibles

Partager ce document

Partager ou intégrer le document

Options de partage

Avez-vous trouvé ce document utile ?

Ce contenu est-il inapproprié ?

Droits d'auteur :

Formats disponibles

WWW - Sefindia 01

Transféré par

Droits d'auteur :

Formats disponibles

5/20/2018 www.sefindia.

Custom Search Search

Like 74K Share Follow @sefindia 4,316 followers

Structural Quantity Estimate for Steel buildings - Thumbrule

www.sefindia.org Forum Index -> SEFI General Discussion

View previous topic :: View next topic

For the structures like,

structural steel wt in Metric tonnes.

If you are having interms of Tonne/m length also ok.

Still we can have some rough value for each structure.

Senior Engineers please give your opinion on this topic.

gpsarathyy Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 8:48 am Post subject:

If it is available in any textbooks or hand books, please let me know.

Joined: 28 Jun 2010 Regards,

gpsarathyy Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 10:48 am Post subject:

Joined: 21 Feb 2008

For the structures like,

structural steel wt in Metric tonnes.

If you are having interms of Tonne/m length also ok.

Still we can have some rough value for each structure.

Senior Engineers please give your opinion on this topic.

gpsarathyy Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:29 am Post subject:

nwalavalkar Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 6:14 am Post subject:

Piperack without fin fan coolers shall go up to 20 to 25 kg/m3

Dr NS sir has very appropriately provided the figures for estimation of

Rough computation is seen as under:

Slabs = (5*5-0.3*5*2)*0.15*90 *4 =1134 Kg

Formula for app. weight of truss is(when LL less than 2 kN/m^2)

Posted via Email

gpsarathyy Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:25 pm Post subject:

Dear MR.Vikram Jeet,

Detailed Quatty for steel columns,base plates, trusses purlins

Dear MR.Vikram Jeet,

Posted via Email

Truss - - A type(24.0m span)

Angle /slope 1 in 3 /purlin spacing 6.0m - - - - 21.3 Kg/m2

A-type vs LTR truss

Truss - - A type Span - - - 12.0m

Effect of span on weight =Truss members+gusset,+Purlins+Tie runners

Span 9.0m weight = 14.1 kg/m2

Hope above data may be useful for estimation

Posted via Email

Display posts from previous: All Posts Oldest First Go

Jump to: SEFI General Discussion Go

© 2003, 2008 SEFINDIA, Indian Domain Registration

Structural Engineering Forum of India

Like Page Donate

2 friends like this

Vous aimerez peut-être aussi

Slabs = (55-0.352)0.1590 4 =1134 Kg