Women Keep Silent In The

Church
by Exzucuh Thomas Williams on Tuesday, September 28, 2010 at
12:32pm

This is what I wrote in response to the Teaching of Faythe HopeIntruth

Butler who believes women are slaves and explains it in a nice way and
all those who agreed with her and proclaimed me as a heretic and also
Paul who’s word I gave them they discarded as trash saying that the
only word of truth that Paul ever spoke was women keep silent in the
church.

Faythe HopeIntruth Butler What is meant when we read in 1 Timothy

2:11 where we read that women are commanded to learn in silence and
with all subjection? The Greek work translated ‘silence’ is hesuchia and
refers to tranquility of spirit or a state of being undisturbed. Thus Paul is
not requiring Christian wives to remain absolutely silent but to speak
with calmness and self-control.

Exzucuh Thomas Williams Paul was not talking to Ministers he was

talking to women who were not mature and they were gossiping and
trying to be controlling over their Husbands. This was a common
practice among the Greeks, their women ran the house and were very
out... spoken, in other words the Greek men were hen pecked. Paul was
dealing with women that were over bearing and trying to disrupt the
church. He did not tell them how to run their house, but they were not
going to run the Church. There were many ministers of the Gospel who
were women and prophetesses

Let me ask you this do you believe that you are born again? If you do
then you must also believe that you are in the world and not of the
world. That you are a new creature already dead by association with
Jesus by your baptism in Jesus name. And you are alive by his
resurrection and indwelling Spirit. You are no longer of the old Adam but
a born again Son or daughter through the second Adam. If you are such
then there are things that Paul says that do not apply to you because
there is neither male are female, Jew or Greek. In Christ we are one
blood , one Nation, one body that is female in representation as a bride,
all Spiritual Jews of the Tribe of Judah. Jesus said there would be Tares in
the church when Paul was dealing with people and rebuking them he
was dealing with Tares not wheat. He was talking to those who were not
born of the Spirit and making them aware that they were out of order
and needed change in their lives. There is something also you must
realize that everything written in the Bible is not the word of God. What
Paul wrote was letters to the church, they had the word of God delivered
by Paul in them and they also had the word of Paul, such as his request
that his coat be brought to him. You cannot apply that as the word of
God but When he said there is neither Male or Female that is the word
of God. We are commanded to rightly divide the word of God. That
means to recognize what is Gods word and what is Mans word. Mans
word always causes division and contradiction it puts people in bondage
and will not lift a finger to free them. The truth makes you free not a
slave.

There is the natural and there is the Spiritual. When you bring the
Natural into the Spiritual you are making an unacceptable sacrifice
before the Lord. The Woman was cursed in the Beginning and that curse
was to be a slave t...o her husband. There are no curses on those who
are in Jesus. All things are made new. Jesus was made a curse for us. A
born again woman is a free woman to be what ever God has called her
to be. In the kingdom Authority is not the same as the world. The least
is the greatest; the one who willingly becomes the servant of All is the
one in Authority. There is neither Male are female in the Kingdom of God
. In the Natural there are Male and female and they have certain roles
that each of them live out to keep balance in the Family. The Man only
has authority if he humbles himself to love his wife as

Jesus loves the Church and gave his life for it. The wife shares the
authority of the husband and can act in his authority just like I can act in
the Authority of Christ as long as i am in submission to him and he does
not call me his servant but his friend. And you are not your husband’s
servant you are his friend and should be treated as such. In the
Kingdom of God the only man that exists is Jesus The Body is Female
according to the word of God. Spiritually speaking the whole Body, is the
bride of Christ. That is hard to accept by men but the word of God is
true and speaks this very plainly. Who ever teaches and speaks the
word of God does not represent themselves they are the body of Christ.
Jesus said whoever he sends if they are received then he is being
received. He made no reference to male are female. The first person to
be sent of Jesus after the resurrection to preach his word was a woman
and she brought that word to his church that consisted of his disciples.
Jesus took no thought of whether they would receive her or not and She
obeyed him and took the authority that Jesus gave her. None of his
disciples said to her you cannot speak to us. No they ran to the grave to
see for themselves if her word was true.

It is shame that Christians cannot overcome their bondage to Ideas that

limit the Preaching of The Gospel. If Paul had thought like any of you he
would have forsaken his gentile churches when he was condemned by
James and the Church at Jerusalem because he would not circumcise his
believers. He told them the same thing I told you today. That the
kingdom was spiritual and had nothing to do with laws of the flesh. Paul
was told that Titus could not worship with them in Jerusalem or do
anything in the church until he was circumcised. Or he would not be
recognized as a Christian.

Paul told them: Romans 2:25-29 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou
keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is
made uncircumcision. Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the
righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for
circumcision? And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil
the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress
the law? For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that
circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one
inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in
the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

This is the same you are saying toward ministers that have been Chosen
by God. You are limiting their ministry because of your unbelief Just as
James was limiting Paul because he could not turn loose of Judaism. Just
as Peter on the roof top was chastised by Jesus for questioning him for
changing his diet you question the freedom and the blessing that was
paid for by the blood of Jesus. Do you believe that the blood can
transform you from a sinner to a Child of God? Then why do you limit
the blood from transforming women into a minister of God. It is not
Women that make churches fall it is Sin and the Love of sin. The most
Godly Minister I ever knew who taught me everything about Jesus was
my Great Grandmother she believed in the keeping Power of God and
passed that to me. She was not allowed to teach or preach because she
was Baptist. But if she had she could have taught them what she taught
me. In my Book I teach on how the Antichrist is in the Church and how
the prophecy of the

Dragon waits to devour the child that is coming forth. This is the way
the child is devoured, false doctrine always devours the child so as to
prevent it from being born again and keeping the true teaching of Jesus
out of the Church.

Jeremiah 31:22 How long wilt thou go about, O thou backsliding

daughter? For the LORD hath created a new thing in the earth, A woman
shall compass a man.
Judges 5:7 The inhabitants of the villages ceased, they ceased in Israel,
until that ...I Deborah arose, that I arose a mother in Israel.

Judges 4:4 And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged
Israel at that time.

If Deborah had believed she could not take the Authority given to her by
God Israel would have perished.

You Baptist would tell God he can’t put a woman in an office of authority
over a Man. But he can. The Jews said God cannot have a Son and that
the Son of Man cannot sit in God’s Throne but he does.

The Bible talks about straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel. I have
just posted some information about judging people because the church
is so out of Balance. They say we cannot judge Christians in... sin and
try to get them from their backslidden condition. But you can Judge a
Minister who is dedicated to Jesus to preach the Gospel and build the
church of Jesus Christ because she is a woman. It is not a Sin to be a
Woman and before that woman was conceived God knew her and
ordained her to preach his word. I guess you never read the

Scripture that said that a woman is a man This is why the bible always
refers to man. The term man refers to a species: God made man male
and female. A Female is a man with a womb, a womb man shortened to
woman.

Jeff Schipper Exzucuh, do you realize that the examples you cite of
God using a woman in a role of leadership was to condemn Israel for
how far they had fallen? It was meant to shock them back into
faithfulness. Judges 4 is the perfect example. Deborah t...ells Barak to
lead the army; he refuses unless Deborah goes with him. Because he
refuses to lead (to fulfill his role) as God commanded; God takes away
the honor that should be his in his role and gives that honor to Jael,
another woman. I think there was a parallel between the situation with
Barak and Jael as there was between Deborah and Israel. God using
women in roles that were not meant by Him to be is the same for Israel
as when God warns them that they would be taught by foreign nations
and foreign tongues: It was meant to point out how badly they had
twisted God’s covenant.
 Exzucuh Thomas Williams Jeff Schipper do you realize that your
comment just made women look as if they are some kind of
abomination like homosexuals that God would use them to make Israel
Ashamed If you can read all the information that I have supplied and still
think you can bring such a flimsy Idea as an argument you are blind and
a very immature Christian. You are arguing with the word of God I
presented not my opinion. You must be a Baptist. Judges 2:18 And when
the LORD raised them up judges, then the LORD was with the judge,
and delivered them out of the hand of their enemies all the days of the
judge: for it repented the LORD because of their groanings by reason of
them tha...t oppressed them and vexedthem.

2 Chronicles 19:6 And said to the judges, Take heed what ye do: for ye
judge not for man, but for the LORD, who is with you in the judgment.

God appointed Deborah because she knew the Law and had Faith in
God’s word and God defeated all of Israel’s enemies because of
Deborah’s Faith. God was very plain in what he would do if Israel turned
from him, and raising up a woman as Judge to save them wasn’t listed
in the judgments. Deborah saved Israel she did not lead them into
judgment.

Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ
have put on Christ.

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor
free, there is neithe MALE OR FEMALE: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

How can you argue with plain scripture it says that a Female has the
authority of Christ by her baptism no different from a Male and a Jew
has no more authority in Christ than a Greek or gentile.

That means a gentiles can preach and a females can preach and Jews
and bigots cannot prevent them

2 Timothy 1:5 When I call to remembrance the unfeigned faith that is in

thee, which dwelt first in thy grandmother Lois, and thy mother Eunice;
and I am persuaded that in thee also. Both these women were
preachers.

Acts 18:26 And he began... to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom

when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and
expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly. Priscilla was a
Preacher and taught Apolos who became an evangelist
Romans 16:12 Salute Tryphena and Tryphosa, who labour in the Lord.
Both these women were preachers and deaconesses in the church.

Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God
created he him; male and female created he them. God created Man
Male and Female how hard is that to understand. The Hebrew word for
woman ish-shaw’ Means a female man. A female has a womb when you
translate that to English it translates womb man or man with a womb.
Just because you have never heard a teaching does not mean that
teaching is not true it means you have been living under limited
knowledge of the truth. Just as James and the church in Jerusalem had
never heard the teaching of Grace that Paul was teaching but they
eventually repented and accepted Paul’s teaching. There is nothing in
scripture that teaches against women pastors It only says that ignorant
women should not speak out of order in church but learn at home under
the teaching of their husbands. this does not apply to a minister
because they are not ignorant of God’s word and they do not need to be
taught.

I cannot compromise with this weak and ungodly message that enslaves
women to be nothing, when I know the Holy Spirit wants to use them for
the Ministry in a powerful way in all the authority of Jesus name. What
God has made clean is clean. He said I will do a new thing and make a
woman compass a man. Paul said there is neither Male or female in the
Spirit both are equal in the name of Jesus just as the Greek is equal with
the Jew. A Greek preacher carries the same authority as a Jewish
preacher and a woman carries the same as a man. The Bibles says the
one in authority must be the servant, if a man wants authority over his
wife he must be a servant to his wife just as Jesus was a servant to his
church and gave his life for it. Jesus said whoever claims to be the
greatest is the least. And who ever wants to live you have to die and
that means to your ideas. If you try to save your life by justifying what
you do with false doctrine you will lose it. If you accept Jesus teaching
and lay down you life you will save it.

Faythe HopeIntruth Butler I’m really not sure why you feel that what is
being shared here Exzucuh is saying that women are being enslaved to
be nothing. Nothing like that has been said here at all. Women can
share and teach in a humble spirit and as the Spirit leads them to do so
and women play an unbelievable role in the Great Commission, sharing
the Gospel, contending earnestly for the faith etc. Women are not
enslaved to be nothing but play a tremendous part in sharing the Good
News.

We believe the Bible clearly teaches though that women are not to be in
ruling positons over men in the church congregations. We believe the
Bible gives specific instructions concerning this and we want to
earnestly obey these teachings.

Exzucuh Thomas Williams Well I can clear that up for you. I do not
support false doctrine in any form and what you believe is not what Paul
preached it is what they preached at Jerusalem and Paul withstood
peter to his face and would not receive any form of Judaism in his
teaching. That is why I know Paul did not mean what you and others are
teaching. Paul dealt with people in the church laying down rules to them
who were carnal but he taught that those who walk in the Spirit are sons
of God and free and are bound by no law because the law is written in
their hearts.

If you want to spend your life not experiencing the fullness of God’s
authority that is your business. But you are not obeying the things that
you are preaching according to what you are saying Paul said. If he said
you are not to teach or usurp authority then you are in sin now because
you are doing it here on the internet. You are preaching, Teaching and
acting like a pastor to these people who are coming to you and admiring
you for you work. And telling other women they cannot do what you are
doing because Paul said you can’t. This is ridiculous. It is time to rightly
divide the word of God and there is no law concerning this thing you are
preaching in the churches because the churches live by the Spirit and
not the Law.

Faythe HopeIntruth Butler Exzucuh, Thank you, but for women to share
the truth of God’s word is not disobeying God. It is only disobeying God
when women try to rule over men in the church setting or in the home,
and God has these clear teachings in the Bible for important reasons
which we need to obey. Our disobedience to this command of God is
part of the reason that the local churches are in such a mess today
since they are disregarding what scripture clearly teaches and making
up their own rules instead.

Remember how Roy explained this so clearly:

“Women and men are EQUAL in God’s eyes as being in need of a Savior,
as well as EQUAL in worth to to Lord Jesus Christ. There is no gender
that is smarter or more worthwhile spiritually or physically. BOTH men
and women are commanded and expected to sing and extol praises and
worship to the Lord God. BOTH are commanded to preach (share the
good news) the Gospel to a lost and dying world, and BOTH have equal
access to the gifts of the

Holy Spirit that enable them to do so. The only difference between men
and women is the order of authority, and thereby also the level of
responsibility, that God Himself has set up within the church and homes
of the saints. The man is commanded to have the authority in both the
home and the church. The man is also placed with the grave
responsibilities that come with that position of authority. If we are to
execute the things of God in an orderly and decent manner, we must
first understand the proper definition of authority and what that
authority entails. Authority is the essence of leadership. Those chosen to
lead must do so with logic, and not emotion. A true leader is one who
SERVES those who are under his leadership, an example that Christ
Himself displayed wonderfully during His ministry. One cannot possibly
serve properly unless he has an UNCONDITIONAL love for those he
leads. Authority/Leadership is NOT about “being the boss,” it is about
serving the brethren with the heart and mind of Christ. This is why,
although Eve sinned before Adam, it is Adam who is (dis)credited with
committing sin that would plunge all of mankind into the need for a
Savior.

Adam was responsible for Eve’s sin, and not the other way around. The
man of God who leads a congregation is entrusted with the
responsibility to lead his flock as a shepard watches over his sheep. If
the wolves (false prophets) come in and scatter the sheep, causing
them to sin, it is the shepard that will be held accountable for the sheep
being scattered, and if any are lost, their blood will be on the hands of
that shepard. This does not in any way negate the sin’s of those who do
sin (follow false doctrine), but rather ADDS the responsibility and
judgment to the leader as well. If we can come to an understanding of
the role of authority and the responsibility that comes with that
authority, it shouldn’t be too difficult to also understand why God set
this order of authority to begin with.
While there are women who have the ability to teach and extol the
Word and wisdom of God in a beautiful and highly worthwhile manner,
this is NOT an excuse to disobey the clear commandments of God.
Women can and should teach other women. Women can and should
teach children. Women can and should “preach” the gospel anywhere
they are able to, outside of the church (service) setting. Women are just
as smart, caring and capable as men are. But to attempt to place such a
grave and serious responsibility upon the head of a woman is to do the
woman a horrible injustice. First because it is causing her to go against
the commandments of God. Second because it places a burden on her
THAT GOD NEVER INTENDED FOR HER TO BE BURDENED WITH. Do you
want to know why so many women today harbor the spirit of Jezebel
and insist on taking authority over the men? Again it is NOT EVEN THE
WOMAN’S FAULT. It is the fault of gutless, wimpy, cowardly, lazy MEN
who would simply rather leave the responsibilities to the women so that
these men can go about their business of building their little idols to
worship.”

Exzucuh Thomas Williams You can believe any thing you want but
what you are saying as I said before is not the Doctrine of Jesus Christ, It
is a man made Doctrine that does not line up with the Gospel of Grace.
The least is the greatest that means no person can rule over another in
the church the authority in the church is servants who give what ever
the church needs to bring about a holy Church spotless and undefiled
before God. There is no order of gender and those who want to be saved
must submit to the ones that are ministering to them for the word of
God and healing in the name of Jesus. No woman could ever rule over a
man in the church because she has to be a servant of all to Minister and
have authority and the same goes for a man. The reason the churches
are in sin is because they love sin and serve sin not because a woman is
teaching them, if that was the case then it would be true anywhere a
woman taught. The Body of Christ is the church the building is the
house for the body to meet in, God does not dwell in houses made by
hands he dwells in his body the church. The Government of the church
is the organized legal aspects of the church organization that takes care
ofbusiness, it has no authority in the spiritual part of the church. The
Holy Spirit is the one that governs the Spiritual part of the church and
he operates in believers. The Holy Spirit leads us into all truth as long as
you have the Holy Spirit and can hear what he is Saying. Any church
that operates by placing people in authority over others making them
superior is not obeying Jesus. This is the world and how it operates this
is not the church of Jesus Christ who sits in Gods throne and ministers to
our every need.
Do you follow men are do you follow the man Christ Jesus. Men can only
bind you up and limit your ministry. They always enslave you with their
doctrine and it is always contrary to what Jesus taught. It sounds good
but it is always associat...ed with legalism and the letter kills.

Romans 16:12 Salute Tryphena and Tryphosa, who labour in the Lord.

Both these women were preachers and deaconesses in the church.

There is a the history of the church by Eusibus Pamphilli many people

have never heard of him but for the first 300 years of the Church a
history book was kept by people appointed in the Church just like they
do today when they keep records of events and meetings. And it tells
the duties of those in the church and who was an apostle or deacon
deaconess, prophet, prophetess or whatever. It tells of what was going
on at the time and why certain things happened the way they did. It tell
who were martyred a lot of details that are left out of the Bible. I have
that book that is why I know who these women are and what they did.
And if you have a commentary for your Bible look at it concerning this
verse of Scripture. It will say they were deaconesses.

Barnes Commentary Ro 16:12Verse 12. Tryphena and Tryphosa. These

names, with the participle rendered “who labour,” are in the feminine
gender, and these were probably two holy women, who performed the
office of deaconesses, or who ministered to the sick, and

who with Persis, thus by example, and perhaps by instruction, laboured

to promote the spread of Christianity. Pious females then, as now, were
able to do much in their proper sphere to extend the truths and
blessings of the gospel.

PNTC commentary Ro 16:12Tryphaena, Tryphosa, . . . Persis. These are

the names of women.From the fact stated of them, they were probably
deaconesses.
Jeff Schipper Exzucuh, using your logic and interpretation of Galatians
3:28 of how to understand that there are no distinctions between man
and woman it must follow that you have no problem with homosexual
marriage? There is a line between defending the truth (in gentleness
and reverence, 1 Peter 3:15) and being factious. Many have attempted
to teach the way more accurately to you, and you have in return been
bellicose. You have been admonished several times by many on this
page, to no avail. Therefore I can have nothing more to do with you
“Reject a factious man after a first and second warning. Knowing that
such a man is perverted and is sinning, being self-condemned.” Titus
3:10-11

Exzucuh Thomas Williams I am not the one with the problem, I know
what is a sin you are the one who is associating women with
Homosexual marriage. Do think being a woman is an abomination? by
accusing me of something I have never said you are revealing your
prejudice against women by using a Homosexual as an example and I
thank you for that, because it makes my case very plain what damage
this doctrine does to women and how men in the church view them.

Philo an ancient writer during the time of Claudius, heard the preaching
of a new religion by Peter his curiosity led him to write about what he
observed and report it. This is what he wrote about the men and women
that ministered. He says,...these men are called Therapeutae and the
women are called Therapeutrides. They are given these names because
they are not called by a name of themselves. He adds the reason people
call them this is because they applied remedies and healed the souls of
those who came to them, by relieving them like physicians, of evil
passions, or from the fact they served and worshiped idols. As you see
Philo who was not a Christian wrote that men and women were
ministering in the same way having the same results.
Faythe HopeIntruth Butler Exzucuh, Jeff just simply meant that if the
verse in Galatians 3:28 literally meant that there were virtually no
distinctions between males and females and that God saw them as
exactly the same, then God could even sanction homosexual marriage
since God sees no difference between males and females as Gal. 3:28
may imply if interpreted incorrectly.

But yet there is a difference between males and females and God has
designed and desires men to be in leadership position/ in head positions
in the local churches and in the home setting. This is very clear and it is
clearly stated in the Bible for wise reasons. We see these days that
divorce is so rampant everywhere we turn and one of the main reasons
for this is that women are doing as they please and there is not much
order in the home and they do not want to be under the headship of
their husbands. (Yet too, husbands are not to be dominant over their
wives, but to show them utmost respect and honor....yet wives are to be
submissive.)

The same thing is happening in local churches....we have most churches

who are not carefully following the wise teachings of scripture which
could make churches such a place of spiritual rest and sound teachings,
but rather churches are making up their own rules and even clearly
disregarding scripture where God has designed men to be leaders over
the congregation. God has wonderful roles for women as well, but not in
leadership positions where they would be in authority over males. God
has not done this to demean women, but to make for a congregation
that has true order and true wisdom. We should not questions the sound
teachings of scripture but obey it and if we truly obeyed it we would
know complete peace of mind.

Exzucuh Thomas Williams I can see that you are blinded by your
legalistic views And the trouble we are having in Churches are not
caused by women doing the work of God it is because people in the
churches do not have the Holy Spirit in them and they therefore
can...not live for God. And also the reason that sin is in the church is
because of false doctrine. It is Spiritual Adultery and I will have no part
of it and will not join with others that do. You

See the reason that God gives me the truth is because I never believe
things that do not line up with his word. The Spiritual order of the church
has nothing to do with the flesh and as long as you agree with flesh you
will never operate in the Spirit. You will always follow legalism in some
form. And you are wrong about Jeff he is prejudice and you are
supporting it and helping Satan to limit the preaching of the Gospel. If
you want to help the church then help your self first to be set free from
your prison then God can use you to set others free so they can minister
without limitations. There is neither male nor female means exactly
what it says and it has nothing to do with homosexuality because that is
of the flesh and an abomination. Paul said that because they had made
a difference in Jews and Greeks saying Greeks could not preach or be in
the presence of Jews in church the same thing you are saying and you
are wrong. And he said male of female for the same reason so people
like you could not limit them with your Judaism.

1 Corinthians 12:27-28 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in

particular. And God hath set some in the church, first apostles,
secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of
healings, helps, governments,... diversities of tongues.

This is the order of the church not men over women and one ruling over
another it does not exist because you cannot rule over anyone in the
church. You have to serve one another a minister is the least he does
not take authority in the flesh he or she preaches the word and the

Word is the authority and the word here is there is neither male nor
female. Accept it or reject it we always come to the day we must choose
which path we will take.

Faythe HopeIntruth Butler Exzucuh, it is not legalistic to obey the word

of God. We are commanded to rightly divide the Word of Truth and to
obey it. Those who do not obey it are being rebellious. I did not see any
type of prejudice in Jeff, but simply a complete... desire to be faithful to
the Word of God.

We are not free to just make up rules as we go along. We must seek the
truth of God’s perfect word and if we are sincere about this the Spirit
will guide us into all truth.

Here is some helpful information from my friend Edward Watson

concerning the role of deaconesses:

“Thank you for asking about this important subject which is taken out of
context to give women authority over men which the bible strictly
forbids.

I will quote the Apostolic constitutions from 390 A.D. to give context
and the deaconesses proper biblical roles:

“Let not any woman address herself to the deacon or bishop without the
deaconess.”
“Ordain also a deaconess who is faithful and holy for the ministrations
towards WOMEN. (emphasis mine) For sometimes the bishop cannot
send a deacon (who is a man) to the women, on account of unbelievers.
You should therefore send a woman, a deaconess, on account of the
imaginations of the bad. For we stand in need of a woman, a deaconess
for many necessities. For example, in the baptism of women, the
deacon will anoint only their forehead with the holy oil. And after him,
the deaconess will anoint them. For there is no necessity that the
woman should be seen by the men..”

“ Let the deaconess be a pure virgin. Or at the minimum let her be a

widow who has been married only once and who is faithful and well
esteemed.”

“ A deaconess does not bless, nor does she perform anything belonging
to the office of the presbyters or deacons. Rather, she is only to keep
the doors and to minister to the presbyters in the baptizing of women
for the sake of decency.”

Exzucuh Thomas Williams That ruling you just gave was from the
forerunners of Catholicism , not the apostles, they also agreed to
worship Mary later and that there was a difference in the body of Christ
saying we are not all priests as it says and the word does ...not apply to
every one in the church the same and they kept making rules until we
have the messed up belief system of today. Legalism is where you live
by rules rather than the leading of the Spirit. Paul’s teaching was by the
Spirit he taught that Gods Spirit in you gave you power to live for God
not obeying rules. Rules are for carnal people because they do not have
the Holy Spirit. Moses gave the law to Israel because they did not have
the Holy Spirit. If you live in the Spirit you will always act in the correct
order show honor where honor is due and will not pervert the Gospel.
Paul was correcting carnal people and you are making a doctrine out of
it just like people with the hair and wearing of certain clothes this is
Nomos law and it was nailed to the cross so we could be free of such
rituals. Ephesians 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even
the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in
himself of twain one new man, so making peace; Colossians 2:20
Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world,
why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, We are
not subject to ordinances/rules because we are dead in Christ And Jesus
said Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are
given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. They are
neither male are female and this is what Paul was
trying to make known that we are in the kingdom of God and it does not
go by mans rules but heavens rules.

You can live any way you want but it is our duty to preach the Gospel
which is believe on the Son God repent and be baptized for the
remission of sins in Jesus name and God will give you the Holy Spirit
who will lead you into all truth and ...the Holy Spirit does not need any
outside rules to interfere with his teaching. This is what is wrong in the
churches and lead to name it and claim it, prosperity doctrine, power of
positive thinking, man made rules using scripture to prove them and
make an convincing argument. I know what I know by the Holy Spirit but
the word has to back it up and I have given you enough word.

Pureriver FromJesus sister thanks for sharing, but I do fear God and I
cannot ignore what God said, I would not agree that a female should be
a pastor because Jesus did not chose a female disciple. I do believe we
can share the gospel but not act like we have ...an authority over a
group of men and women, do you remember this verse?

“Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a
woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in
silence.” 1Timothy 2:11-12

just ignore exzucuh sister because he will say this and say that just to
go against with what anyone is saying, even if he is not rightly dividing
the word of God same as the book he made named exzucuhs book,
http://www.scribd.com/doc/31927813/Exzucuh-s-Book

Faythe HopeIntruth Butler Amen Pureriver, We truly do need to focus

on the word of God and not what men would say. God gave His word for
us to follow and He warned us that men would twist it and add to it and
take away from it so we must be vigilant.

I like these ...words from Roy Thibodeau about continuing to be safe

with Christ. He said ...’”To keep ourselves safe in Christ, study the Word
diligently every day, pray every day, fast whenever God leads us, and
compare everything to scripture.” ~Roy Thibodeau
A lot of people claim to be led by the Spirit, but if what is said is not
lining up with God’s word of truth, then we must be vigilant.

the word of God is in harmony so whoever go against a verse by using

another verse in the bible must be deceiving their very own selves, they
say they don’t want to present another doctrine and then you will find
out they made another doctrine of their own. if I were you sister, just
focus on the word of God and not what men would say because false
preachers would led you astray

Exzucuh Thomas Williams Yes ignore all the word of God that I gave
you all of the examples that Paul spoke of and take one scripture that
does not line up with the teachings of Paul on Grace and it’s power or
the blood and forget every thing that was said and live as a second
class individual that cannot obey God because they cannot recognize
the difference in Paul chastising some one and Paul teaching the word
of God.

1 Corinthians 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man

speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man
can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

You say I produce bad fruit; I am a bad tree because I gave you the
word of God. A man that blesses Jesus and proclaims Jesus is Lord with
my life living in Holiness and subjection. Do you see all the work of the
lord I do on the internet and all the hours I dedicate to the Lord my
fastings and prayers. Paul was talking about women like you keep silent
who are trouble makers and interfere with the work of God with your
ignorance. You believe that word and yet you disobey it by attacking a
man who you should be subject to. That is hypocritical. Who now is a
bad tree? And producing bad fruit.

1 Corinthians 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every

“MAN” to profit withal.

Paul also said this. does it mean that women do not have the Holy
Spirit? If I believed the word of God and interpreted it the way you do I
could take this one scripture and make a doctrine out of it. To prove
women cannot even be saved.
1 Corinthians 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which
man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing
spiritual things with spiritual. The things I presented to you were
spiritual things given by the Hol...y Ghost not to me but to Paul. You can
see that Paul instructed the church with rules for carnal people but said
he was not giving those by the Spirit but of his own word and that there
was no law in the churches forcing people to abide by that rule.

1 Corinthians 7:6 But I speak this by permission, and not of

commandment. The word permission was used but meant common
knowledge Paul did not give laws and rules to the those who lived by
the Spirit but said 1 Corinthians 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all
things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it
is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be
under obedience, as also saith the law.

Paul gave them the law because they were sinners and sinners... are
under the Law not Grace. If you want to shut someone’s sinful mouth
you give them the law.

Romans 3:19-20 Now we know that what things so ever the law saith, it
saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped,
and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the
deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the
law is the knowledge of sin.

But if those who are Spiritual turn back to the Law they make the cross
of Christ none effect in their lives. (If you hear his voice) is what
Hebrews says meaning if you are Spiritual and you turn back to the law
as the Children of Israel turned back in disobedience you provoke God
to wrath because you refuse to enter in to his rest by the Spirit to live
Spiritual. You refuse his new day of rest in Christ, his eighth day rest the
day of the circumcision of the heart and the writing of his word upon the
fleshy tables of your heart.
But you could be right I could be in error because I thought you people
were spiritual. If you are not, you are right and you have to obey the
Law and you women need to be silent.