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04/05/2006 understanding of Earth's weather. If one can track the Moon's cycles, and
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Loc: Pacific observations, and space weather conditions - then one can forecast short,
Northwest, USA medium, and long-range weather with practice, and skill. It is not easy, but
the rewards for the hard worker are truly great. This is the beginning of
seeing the truth of the laws of physics - and, how the Sun, Moon, and planets
directly affect and regulate Earth's weather - on a daily basis.
One of the first things a student astrometeorologist learns, other than reading
an astrological calendar, or table of planets (ephemeris), is to observe the
weather and the Sun-Earth-Moon relationship. Cultures for thousands of years
have tracked the Lunar phases, and planned accordingly for long-range
weather events. Some ask that if lunar knowledge is so old, then how can it
be considered new again? Because of the decoding work of the structure of
stone circles during the last few decades, we can postulate that lunar orbit
calculation was well known in very old cultures. 12:10 EST
All the ancient stone circles are aligned to the Moon in the same way. The
smaller ones are ratio- replicas of Stonehenge, indicating the same system
was utilised internationally. It seems stone-circle builders were obsessed with
lunar declination and nodal crossings - almost certainly for weather, long-
range climate and for eclipse prediction. The vast ancient wisdom began to
disappear with the destruction by the early Christians of the libraries of
Alexandria - in their hopes of destroying paganism of which the Moon had
become the paramount symbol.
For instance, in what is now Newark, Ohio, we find an ancient North American
culture who built a lunar observatory for this very purpose - tracking the Moon
- http://www.copperas.com/octagon/
One of the great things about the origin of astrology/astronomy and religion is
the fact that the heavens are both a physical and spiritual fabric that has, and
can be studied by mystics and scientists alike - and meteorologists, since the
origins of meteorology are firmly rooted in classical astrology.
The Sun-Earth relationship on weather can be monitored at

www.SPACEWEATHER.COM - Here, the condition of the Sun, and
Interplanetary Magnetic Field (IMF) as well as Earth's climate conditions - all a
part of astrometeorological practice, principles, and tradition into the 21st
century.
Every square foot of the Earth is pierced by a lines of electromagnetic force,

which loops from deep inside the Earth, and far into space, only to return back
in a great closed circuit thousands of miles away. If there were no Sun or solar
wind, the Earth's magnetic field would extend far beyond the orbit of the
Moon and millions of kilometers into interplanetary space, in the same shape
as a bar magnet field outlined by iron filings.
In reality, the action of the solar wind changes this picture rather dramatically.
The axis of the field is tilted by about 11 degrees to the axis of rotation of the
Earth. No one knows why, but these kinds of tilts are found among the
magnetic fields of some of the other planets, too.
http://forum.weatherzone.com.au/ubbthreads.php/topics/4387/1 1/13
On the daytime side, the field is pushed in by the solar wind pressure, and on
the nighttime side, it is invisibly stretched out like a comet's tail. Scientists
call the region near the Earth where its field controls the motions of
electrically charged particles the magnetosphere. As the Earth spins, and as
the solar wind and coronal mass ejections buffet it from the outside, the
magnetosphere trembles and can become stormy. When these rapid, though
subtle, changes happen, compass bearings can become unreliable by up to
several degrees at the Earth's surface. In space, even more dramatic changes
can happen.
When the Solar wind the magnetosphere are taken together as a system, they
operate like a set of powerful, but invisible, valves that open and close
depending on their polarity. When the solar wind's magnetic field is of the
south-type polarity, it meets up with the south-type polarity of the Earth's
magnetic field.
On the daytime side of the Earth, these fields reconnect, causing a transfer of
particles and magnetic energy into the Earth’s magnetosphere from the solar
wind. Severe ‘magnetic storms’ are triggered, and these can be easily seen
even at ground level with sensitive magnetic field detectors called
magnetometers.
Changes in the solar wind and in the magnetosphere can also cause the
magnetotail region to change in complex ways. The magnetotail resembles a
comet’s tail and is stretched by the solar wind into a vast cylinder of
magnetism nearly one million kilometers long. Magnetic fields in the
magnetotail can snap like rubber bands and reconnect themselves, but this
time the particles flow down these field lines and plunge deep into the interior
of the magnetosphere cavity.
Some of these particles can take up temporary residence in an equatorial zone

called the Ring Current. In this vast, invisible river nearly 40,000 kilometers
wide, positively-charged particles flow westwards and negatively-charged
particles flow eastwards like two trains on opposite tracks. In fact, the flows
are so dilute that they actually occupy the same space. Other particles from
the magnetotail ride the field lines deep into the Earth's atmosphere and
create beautiful aurora.
The Earth-Moon Relationship:

One recent study by the National Weather Service indicates that, in the
country as a whole, about 10% more rain and occasions of heaviest rain occur
in the days following a New or Full moon--that is, in the days following the
greatest tidal variation each lunar month. Another study indicates the greater
tendency for tropical storms to attain hurricane status at these same times.
AstroMets have long known that lunar maximum declinations often lead to
intense storms - in all seasons. The following events prove lunar activity
related to this short list of hurricanes, and newsworthy storms -
Tropical Cyclone Mala strikes Burma

April 29, 2006
Moon transiting towards maximum north declination at 23o23'
Tropical Cyclone Monica Hits Northeastern Australia

April 19, 2006
Moon at maximum south declination
Hurricane Andrew Strikes U.S. Southeast

August 24, 1992
Moon at maximum north declination on August 22 1992
Hurricane Katrina batters U.S. Gulf Coast

August 29, 2005
Moon at maximum north declination on August 28, 2005
U.S. Atlantic Blizzard of 1993

March 12-13, 1993
Moon at maximum south declination on March 14, 1993
Hurricane Wilma pounds the Yucatan Peninsula

October 21-23, 2005
Moon at maximum north declination October 22, 2005
Once every 14 days severe weather systems prompt the issuing of severe
weather warnings by weather agencies always occur. This is due to the Moon's
apogee and perigee cycles - orbits of the Moon that take place every 27.3
days.
Just ten earth-circumferences away, the Moon is very close, our closest
celestial neighbour, and has two-and-a-half times the gravitational pull of the
Sun. Therefore it exerts an influence on everything movable on our planet, be
it solid, liquid or gas. Much of this influence is barely noticeable because there
is nothing to compare it too, like the rising of the land towards the transiting
Moon, called the Earth Tide, and the receding of it back again within 24 hours.
See - www.iol.ie/~geniet/eng/moonperb.htm
Each Lunar phase has a changing effect on the weather, whether it be

droughts, hurricanes, tornadoes or lightning. And as the atmosphere has its
daily tide, the air density too is forever changing. If it did not, barometric
pressures would always remain constant.
Austalian astromets like Ken Ring states that the volume of air changes just
as the volume of sea water in a bay during high sea tide, but we can see that.
We can't see a high AIR tide because we haven't yet invented an instrument
to detect it. Yet by deduction we can conclude that it must occur. To put it
another way, it would be very odd if the Moon chose to daily pull upward the
sea and land but decided against daily changing the height of the massive
ocean of air.
At each New Moon, for two or three days, the Moon shields us from the solar
winds - the very powerful electromagnetic energy sent forth into space by
pulsating Sun. Ancient cultures knew that at this time of maximum shielding,
the New moon was the best time for planting and fishing, and over thousands
of years grew the lunar planting and fishing calendar.
Why do you think 13 is considered 'unlucky'? According to Ring, the number

13 has always known as the Moon's number, because 13 features so much in
the mathematics of the Moon's orbits - 13 Full and New Moons each year,
there are 13 declination cycles, 13 perigee and apogee cycles, and the Moon
moves 13-degrees per day through space in its monthly orbit around the
Earth.
Lesser known to non-astrometeorologists are the orbit anomalies that occur at

roughly 13 weeks and 13 years. Every 13 years the phases recur (just over a
week later). Every 26-years the opposite phase and apse occur about the
same time. Every 31 years (18+13) the opposite phase of the Moon occurs
about two days later. Every 5 years (18-13) the opposite phase occurs (about
3 weeks later) with a single relation to the apse.
The peaks and troughs of these lunar cycles sometimes coincide with Full or
New Moon phases, which often result in gales, heavy rains and extra high
tides, that can then lead to flooding. Apogee has the Moon at furthest lunar
distance from Earth, and Perigee has the Moon orbiting closer to Earth. When
it peaks in two positions in this cycle, the Moon has more gravitational pull on
the atmosphere, which leads to unsettled conditions.
The "Weather" is what happens when atmospheric tides are gravitationally

pulled around by the Moon. The atmosphere is a mass of gas weighing five
million billion tons. Just like the ocean-tide, every day the atmospheric-tide
comes "in" and then goes "out". More like higher and lower, with a stretched
atmosphere extending higher into the heavens when the air-tide is in, and
coming lower towards Earth ground level when the air- tide is out.
The Moon has about one sixth - 1/6 - of the Earth’s gravitational force. From
only a couple of hundred thousand miles away, changes in the Moon's orbital
patterns have major effects on Earth. Between a third and a quarter the size
of Earth, the Moon orbits in a strange 8 pattern - reaching maximum
declinations to the north and south every two weeks.
Simply stated, changes in the Moon’s movement can trigger changes in our
weather. How it works is rather logical, but conventional scientists seem to
have a vested interest in not stating it, nor teaching it in meterological
schools.
Meteorologists utilise sea level or sea surface temperature analysis as tools in

forecasting. Astrometeorologists like Ring know that sea tides/levels/temps
are affected by many lunar factors, including synodic cycle, apsidal
cycle(perigee/apogee), apsidal angle, declination angle, declination
hemisphere, inclination, nodal or nutation cycle, apsidal cycle, anaomalistic
cycle, tide cycle, variable diurnalism, moon’s angular momentum crossing
ecliptic and equator, tide times and other cycles within cycles - it is very
difficult to see just how conventional meteorologists can rule out the Moon as
an empirical variable?
And, this is not even mentioning secondary factors such as wind speed and
force, high and low pressure zones, cycles of currents, land movement etc. By
virtue of tides and gravitational pull the Moon has its stamp on anything to do
with the oceans.
It is a known fact that there are at least four separate but sometimes
interfacing tides caused by lunar gravitation. The best known is the sea-tide,
the exact times of which repeat every so many weeks, months and years.
There is also the inner-core tide affecting the molten core of the Earth (Core
Tide) which plays a major role in the cycles of earthquakes and eruptions, the
land-tide (called Earth-tide, where the ground rises towards the Moon about
8-inches per day as the Moon goes overhead and then recedes again when the
Moon goes below the horizon) and the air-tide affecting the height of the
atmosphere.
If the Moon has an effect on the sea then it must control the tides by
distribution of the water. So is it silly to state that if it has an effect on the
atmosphere then it must control the weather by distribution of the clouds?
Why should clouds, air, land and inner mantle not be tidal? They too, are
masses of flexible matter. As masses they are subject to the pull of a large
gravitational body such as a close Moon. The movable fluids on Earth would
like to fly off into space toward the Moon, but are more strongly held to Earth
by the Earth’s gravity and so remain on the Earth’s surface. But the inconstant
transits of the Moon causes these fluids to be in flux.
See ~ Lunar Gravity Effects on Earth\'s Weather
One can liken the atmosphere to a fat rubberband; the top of which can
stretch toward the Moon as the Moon goes overhead and then unstretch again
when the Moon goes below the horizon. Because the weight of a rubberband
remains constant either stretched or at rest, the Barometer only measures the
weight of the atmosphere, but cannot detect when the atmosphere changes
height. This is why a barometer will seem to stay the same, even though the
weather might change.
Atmospheric tides were researched in 1807 and rediscovered by British

scientists Appleton and Weekes in 1939, who were investigating the strange
phenomenon that shortwave radio signals reached around the world more
clearly at New and Full Moon phases. They concluded if the atmosphere (or
‘stratosphere’) made radiowaves change clarity because of the phase of the
Moon, then there must be a tidal effect in the air. There are scientific
measurements of the atmospheric tide attributable to the Moon.
See ~ Measurements of Lunar Effects on Tides
Whenever the Moon is above the horizon it has two bulges beneath it. These
are pulled by gravitational attraction. One is made of water and the other is a
bulge of air. The everchanging replacement of the water bulge results in the
sea tide and the replacement of air within the air bulge results in the weather.
When the Moon is above the horizon, it is stretching the air and attracting, by
gravitational pull, more atmosphere to higher levels in the sky - creating a
larger volumed gaseous environment. The atmosphere is now a fraction
higher and the amount can be up to 25% between phases.
The highest it gets is on a Full Moon night. If the useful atmosphere is 5 miles
thick, then this stretch could be 1.25 miles, or for an accepted total depth of
atmosphere of 60 miles, the atmospheric-tidal difference between high and
low could be up to 15 miles.
The result of a higher atmosphere is to keep the cold of space further away
from Earth. When the air height is lower because the Moon has set below the
horizon and takes the air bulge with it, the cold of space creeps closer to the
Earth, and the subsequent drop in temperature can cause clouds to condense
at this time. That will happen during the day of a Full moon, and this is why it
often clouds up on that day around noon-time.
When the Moon is below the horizon it is more likely to rain. If no rain
happens, temperatures will most likely drop. Very often rain will also fall an
hour or so on either side of the Moon setting. At New Moon, when the Moon is
overhead during the day, rain is less likely - but rain is more likely at night at
this phase. In contrast, at Full Moon, the nights will nearly always be clear.
Old mariners used to have nautical saying: "the Full Moon eats clouds."
Weather prediction by astrometeorology is a highly-refined area of sidereal

science which has claimed an amazing 90%-plus record of accuracy for both
short- and long-term forecasts of weather patterns. This system is an
accumulation of tried, and true observational data going back several
thousand years.
The subject was widely popularized by Joseph Goodavage in his book, "Our
Threatened Planet" (Simon & Schuster, 1978), in which he represented the
work of pioneers such as Dr Irving Krick, Dr. Andrew Douglass, George
McCormack and others. According to Goodavage, the Sun has entered a
period of prolonged and violent instability with which we must cope. Modern
astronomy has confirmed Goodavage’s prediction.
Classical horoscopic weather prediction is based on forecasts of the influences
of the planets in solstice or equinox horoscopes. Each zodiacal sign colors the
characteristics of the planets occupying that region. For instance, a "wet"
planet such as Luna indicates extra-wet weather when it is located in a water
sign; much drier conditions are indicated when Luna is in a fire sign. Half of
the total influence of a weather horoscope should be judged from the 4th
house cusp and planets therein, and their aspects. The 4th house governs the
locale. One quarter of the total influence of ingress weather charts should be
judged from the first house, from its occupying planets and their aspects,
from the sign on its cusp, and from the planet ruling the cusp sign, the sign it
is in, and its aspects.
One-eighth of the influence of a weather chart is judged from the planet for
which the chart is erected. Sol = temperature, Luna = moisture, Mercury =
air. For example, if Sol is in Aries, then Mars, the ruling planet of Aries, and its
aspects also must be considered. One-eighth of the influence on weather is to
be judged by the planets in angular houses, their aspects, and the signs they
occupy. The temperature chart gives an average indication of the weather, but
indications of storms should be compared with both air and moisture charts
for that time.
The primary mutual aspects are the conjunction, opposition, square and trine,
but even the minor aspects are effective. Trines and sextiles are not
necessarily beneficial, but they tend to exert a more gentle influence than the
inharmonious aspects (square and opposition). Interpretation by the
astrometeorologist, or astrologer depends on the planetary positions in the
signs and houses, and the aspects and parallels of declination to other
planets, and the ascendant of the chart and the aspects to it by transiting
planets.
Table 1 lists indicators of weather attributes of the planets and signs.
Table 2 is Dr. Adam Clark's System forecasting the weather using lunations. It
foretells the weather that is most likely to occur during each phase of the
moon.
For example, the nearer to midnight that the Moon changes its phase in the
Full and Last Quarter, the better the weather will be for the seven days
following. The time span for this calculation of from 10 pm to 2 am.
The nearer to noon (from 10 am to 2 pm) that the Moon changes phase, the
more wet weather may be expected for the next week.
These observations are for the summer season, though they also are
adaptable to spring and fall observations.
Changing phases of the Moon occurring from 4 pm to 10 pm may be followed

by fair weather, depending on the wind, as indicated in Table 2.
Table 1
Planet ~ Temperature ~ Wind ~ Moisture
Sun ~ warm ~ still ~ dry

Moon ~ cool ~ breeze ~ wettest
Mercury ~ cold ~ windy ~ dry
Venus ~ pleasant ~ light ~ rain
Mars ~ hot/cold ~ still/storm ~ wet/drought
Jupiter ~ warm ~ calm, light ~ dry
Saturn ~ cold ~ still/storm ~ wet/drought
Uranus ~ cold snaps ~ gusty ~ dry, lightning
Neptune ~ cool ~ still/storm ~ mist, fog
Pluto ~ cool ~ windy, extremes ~ moist, sleet
Sign ~ Temperature ~ Wind ~ Moisture
Aries ~ hot ~ windy ~ dry (1st or 4th moon: violent)

Taurus ~ moderate ~ calm ~ wet
Gemini ~ cold ~ fickle windy ~ dry
Cancer ~ cold ~ calm, zephyr ~ steady rain
Leo ~ hot ~ still ~ dry
Virgo ~ cold ~ cutting wind ~ dry
Libra ~ cool, windy ~ dry
Scorpio ~ cold/hot ~ violent ~ drier/wetter
Sagittarius ~ warm ~ moderate ~ dry
Capricorn ~ extremes ~ increasing wind ~ wet
Aquarius ~ cold ~ moderate ~ dry, lightning
Pisces ~ cool ~ calm ~ rain
Table 2
Dr. Adam Clark’s System of AstroMeteorology
Time of Change
Between ~ In Summer ~ In Winter
12 midnight-2 am ~ fair ~ frost unless wind S or W

2-4 am ~ cold, showers ~ cold, storm
4-6 am ~ rain ~ rain
6-8 am ~ wind, rain ~ stormy
8-10 am ~ change by 6 pm ~ cold if wind W, snow if E
10-12 noon ~ showers ~ cold wind
Noon-2 pm ~ rain ~ rain, snow
2-4 pm ~ changing ~ fair
4-6 pm ~ fair ~ fair
6-8 pm ~ fair if wind SW ~ frosty if wind N or NE
8-10 pm ~ rain if wind SW ~ rain, snow if wind S or SW
10-12 midnight ~ rain if wind SW ~ fair, frosty
American astrometeorologist George J. McCormack - also known as "GeeJay"

whose devotion to perfecting the techniques for long-range weather
forecasting is well-known, continued astrometeorology into the 20th century.
McCormack's career spans many years and the best recollection of some of his
work can be found in "Our Threatened Planet" by Joseph F. Goodavage.
Following are excerpts on a test between McCormack, and the U.S. Weather
Bureau. Goodavage's book highlights McCormack's career in Astrometeorology
~
Weather forecasts based on George J. McCormack updated synopsis, "The

Theory and Practice of Astronomic Weather Forecasting" were tested beside
the U.S. Weather Bureau's "Long-Range Weather Outlook" - along with a
purely random or chance series of forecasts derived by spinning a pointer in
the "wheel-of-fortune" method.
Interestingly, the system of astrometeorology by which solar, lunar and

planetary forces were applied to forecast advance weather was consistently
rated 94 percent accurate. The random spinner forecast achieved 17 percent
higher accuracy than the Weather Bureau's Long-Range Weather Outlook.
"The Weather Bureau, incidentally, has at its disposal highly sophisticated

telemetary systems, large computer installations, meteorological balloons,
aircraft, rockets, weather-eye satellites, thousands of ground observers and in
excess of $250 million a year especially earmarked for finding a reliable
system of long-range weather prediction.
"After nearly 50 years of such lavish subsidies, scientists are still no closer to
such a system. It should be noted, however, that the method of the US
Weather Bureau is to observe what the weather is doing in one area of the
globe, then try to guess what direction and development it will take next.
"At the beginning of World War I, McCormack meticulously duplicated, tested

and proved Pearce's methods. By 1925 he had developed a new astronomical
factor - the key - for timing atmospheric changes in eastward transit from any
point of terrestrial origin to any other point of longitude. After experimenting
with the key for 23 years and obtaining increasingly accurate forecasts, he
used this key element with fantastic success for the late, unseasonably cold
and snowy spring of 1947 in the Midwest.
"Then, eight months before the Big Snow of December 26, 1947, which
immobilized metropolitan New York, the now encouraged McCormack used his
system again. With even more dazzling accuracy, he predicted the exact date
and extent of the storm and sent out 400 mimeographed copies of his
prediction to every newspaper and radio station whose address he could
locate.
"On December 27, his local reputation became national and he was inundated
with requests for more and more long-range forecasts during the next decade
than any one man could possibly provide. As president and general factotum
of the New Jersey Astrologian Society, McCormack began publishing his
Astrotech Weather Guide and trying to teach his methods to others.
"Unfortunately, few students had McCormack's dedication, persistence,

scientific objectivity and intelligence. Every so often he'd find raw talent and
do his best to inspire someone new to carry on, but he died with his dream of
scientific acceptance only half realized.
"Gee-Jay tried to teach his students (and the steady stream of newsmen and
other curiosity-seekers who beat a path to his door) that the
astrometeorological laws that govern weather are not at all limited to sunspot
activity. Also that the direction and speed of jet streams or the idea that the
Sun alone controls the atmosphere. Based on the experimental research of his
predecessors and fully supported by half a century of his own work, here's the
theory McCormack developed and presented to a special seminar of the U.S.
Weather Bureau in New York in 1963. He also presented to the 44th annual
meeting of the American Meteorological Society in 1964 ~
The Sun controls the constitution of the atmosphere.
Planets regulate organic changes in earth's weather ~
(a) By changing impressions when they are at certain point in their eccentric
orbits, or by varying declinations north or south of the earth's equator,
thereby affecting both electrical and chemical changes in the Earth's
atmosphere;
(b - When in major stations, that is, either on the celestial equator, in

maximum declination, in perigee (closest to Earth), in perihelion (closest to
the Sun), or when apparently stationary in geocentric longitude;
(c - By angular relationship with the Sun or between each other in longitude,

and
(d - By radical occupancy or eastward transit over any given terrestrial

meridian or in angular relation to that meridian. These factors may be
interpreted from key charts calculated for the exact times the sun crosses the
equinoctial or solstice points; secondary charts prepared for the times of the
New and Full Moons provide a more exact timing reference.
The Moon is the functional element; it reflects Barometric and Atmospheric

tidal changes that have already been indicated by solar and/or planetary
phenomena.
Seasonal anomalies of weather are determined as much by celestial bodies in

declination (north or south of the celestial equator) as by longitude. In 1962,
when 80 percent of the celestial bodies were in southern declinations during
winter months, McCormack accurately predicted a returning cycle of migratory
severely cold winters in the northen hemisphere. At the same time, large
segments of the southern hemisphere were hit by scorching heat and drought.
It took the combined efforts of Senators Jacob Javits, Kenneth Keating, and
then Sen. Robert F. Kennedy to twist enough arms and bring enough political
pressure to bear on the chief of the U.S. Weather Bureau to set up a special
seminar in their New York offices.
McCormack presented the results of his life's work to the government. It is an

understatement to say that these weather bureaucrats were cold and
unfriendly. McCormack drew a detailed picture of the relationship between
Saturn and influenza epidemics for the reluctant meteorologists, several of
whom exchanged snickers when he told them of the connection between
weather and health ~
"Saturn in Aquarius is the key to the next outbreak of influenza," he told

them. "On February 19, 1964, the Sun transits 15 degrees and 43 minutes
Aquarius on the exact degree of the total solar eclipse of February 4, 1962,
which fell on the 6th house over the USA. The deduction should be fairly
obvious."
A deadly flu epidemic struck early in 1964. In June, The New York Times
published a graph indicating the numbers of hospitalized flu victims over the
previous 15-month period. The highest peak of the graph was February 19 -
the date forecasted by McCormack.In New York City alone, 250 people died of
the disease.
There was no comment from the Weather Bureau.
For more on astrometeorology, see ~

Astrometeorological Techniques
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experiments: International Journal of Climatology, v. 8, p. 255-281.
Fairbridge, R. W., 1990, Solar (sic) and lunar cycles embedded in the El Niño
periodicities: Cycles, v. 41 (2), 66-72.
Keeling, C. D., and Whorf, T. P., 1997, Possible forcing of global temperature
by the oceanic tides: U. S. National Academy of Sciences Proceedings, v. 94,
no. 16, p. 8321-8328.
Pettersson, Otto, 1912, The connection between hydrographical (sic) and

meteorological phenomena: Royal Meteorological Society Quarterly Journal, v.
38, p. 173-191.
Pettersson, Otto, 1914a, Climatic variations in historic (sic) and prehistoric

time: Svenska Hydrogr. Biol. Kommissiones Skrifter, No. 5, 26 p.
Pettersson, Otto, 1914b, On the occurrence of lunar periods in solar activity

and the climate of the earth. A study in geophysics and cosmic physicss:
Svenska Hydrogr. Biol. Kommissiones Skrifter, No.
Pettersson, Otto, 1915, Long periodical (sic) variations of the tide-generating

force: Conseil Permanente International pour l'Exploration de la Mer
(Copenhagen), Pub. Circ. No. 65, p. 2-23.
Pettersson, Otto, 1921, Étude sur les mouvements internes dans la mer et
dans l'air: Svenska Hydrog-Biol Kommissiones Skrifter, Haft VI (Goteborg).
Pettersson, Otto, 1923, Innere Bewegnung in den Zwischenschichten des

Meeres und der Atmosphare: Roy. Soc. Scient. Uppsala Nova Acta (IV), v. 6,
no. 2.
Pettersson, Otto, 1930, The tidal force. A study in geophysics: Geografiska

Annaler, v. 18, p. 261-322.
Sanders, J. E., 1995, Astronomical forcing functions: From Hutton to

Milankovitch and beyond: Northeastern Geology and Environmental Science,
v. 17, no. 3, p. 306-345.
Wood, F. J., 1978, The strategic role of perigean spring tides in nautical history
and North American coastal flooding 1635-1976: Washington, D. C., U. S.
Department of Commerce National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration,
U. S. Government Printing Office, Stock No. 003-017-00420-1, 538 p.
Wood, F. J., 1985, Tidal dynamics, coastal flooding, and cycles of gravitational
force: Dordrecht, The Netherlands, D. Reidel Publishing Company, 712 p.
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Ok on Teckert's advice I have made another thread dedicated to
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Posts: 168 papers/publications that give evidence for or against the validity
Loc: Pacific of this science. Oh and keep the personal attacks to a minimum ( I
Northwest,
will try too ) I dont want to see this thread getting closed as it
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should be an educational experience for all!
Astrometeorology is very educational for those who want to learn about long-range
weather forecasting. Hope the references and links helps Tim.
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flip Very interesting Theodore, I can see where you are coming from now... It's
Weatherzone Addict just a pity I've not visited that planet.
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TOM1111 lol
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as stated in the other thread me and flip layed down a challenge and are
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Very interesting Theodore, I can see where you are coming from
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Posts: 168
Loc: Pacific Well, let's just say that Ken Ring is not the nut you've been making him out to be
Northwest, Flip. And, I'm assuming that the "planet" you are speaking of is the Earth? You
USA know, where we all live?
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lol
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Posts: 168 as stated in the other thread me and flip layed down a challenge
Loc: Pacific and are waiting for a response.If you can prove its accuracy i may
Northwest, change my mind on the subject
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There's nothing to "prove" except to yourself Boardrider. It is rather simple to
purchase a scientific ephemeris, learn to read longitude, buy a notebook, and then
observe and record your own local weather. This is the scientific method and is how
astrometeorologists learn to forecast. You cannot "challenge" another astromet
unless you are experienced enough to forecasting long-range weather yourself. I
suggest that you perhaps learn a few things from Ken Ring, since he is about the
best professional astromet in your hemisphere, and most likely on the planet at this
time. Learning from him (rather than insulting and disrespecting him) is the best
way to gain insights into how long-range weather is forecast.
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Tim S lol, oh you guys are funny!

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10/06/2003 Ben just posted? :p
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Seabreeze I think Astrometeorology might have merits in long range forecasting

Weatherzone (predicting a wet day with a week leeway, several months or more into the
Moderator future). So I'm keeping my mind open for any information about this type of
meteorology which most people have little knowledge of. Even if
Astrometeorology doesn't work at least it will be interesting to see the theory
behind it or it may point us towards another branch of meteorology, maybe
the Earth's core can affect the weather? But we don't know so I'm interested
to find out about Astrometeorology.
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04/05/2006
Posts: 168 What is a scientific ephemeris? and please don't tell me that is the
Loc: Pacific bee thingy Ben just posted? :p
Northwest,
USA A scientific ephemeris is a solar, lunar, and planetary calandar Tim. Because
calculating planetary motions and positions needs a uniform, or standard measure
of time. A planetary ephemeris is used by classical astrologers, and
astrometeorologists to forecast in advance noting the positions of the Sun,
Moon,and planets relative to the Earth.
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Theodore
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I think Astrometeorology might have merits in long range
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04/05/2006 forecasting (predicting a wet day with a week leeway, several
Posts: 168 months or more into the future). So I'm keeping my mind open for
Loc: Pacific any information about this type of meteorology which most
people have little knowledge of. Even if Astrometeorology doesn't
Northwest, work at least it will be interesting to see the theory behind it or it
USA may point us towards another branch of meteorology, maybe the
Earth's core can affect the weather? But we don't know so I'm
interested to find out about Astrometeorology.
That's a good idea Ezzz. I think that more people in Australia should see Ken Ring
as a national treasure, rather than picking him apart. That is just plain rude
considering that to be an astrometeorologist one has to not only have a high IQ to
work with all those variables, but also because the work is just plain hard. To be
able to forecast advance weather is challenging enough, but to be an
astrometeorologist is very, very challenging. Astromets are hard to come by, and to
have one in your own country is a giant positive. People should accentuate the
positive, and this includes those conventional meteorologists who sonehow talk as if
the Earth is flat, and not a planet. Remember, it has been only recently that
conventional meteorology even accounted for the Sun's influence on earth's
weather! It has been rather obvious to astrometeorologists for centuries, and this
includes the Moon's considerable effect on the Earth as well. So people who debase
astrometeorology, or Ken Ring have to really be, well, rather ignorant to do so, and
ignorance is dangerous because it blinds one to oncoming weather, and as we
know, Mother Nature is a force we all had better respect and stay on the watch for
and Ken Ring and other astromets do that from a long-range perspective as well. It
is fine to doubt information that is "new" to a person, but doing so from a position
to learn, rather than insult, is much better. Astrometeorology has been around for a
very long time. It is not "new" - only to those who have not taken the time to learn
that Astrology has created many of the scientific disciplines taken for granted today
and this is not the "pop culture astrology" that is sold to the public via tabloids and
confused by well-meaning, but misled people, who think it is the same thing as
classical astrology. It is not and never has been.
Like I said, it would be wise to listen carefully to Ken Ring, and to realize that the
"Moon Man" as some call him - just may be one of the best weather forecasters on
the planet, and Australia is lucky to have an astromet of his quality around. It is a
TON of work to forecast short, medium and long-range weather applying
astrometeorological principles. You would be amazed at how hard people like Ring
have to work to just forecast. Some who are critical should take a few steps back
and check astrometeorology out like you said, with an open mind. Nothing can be
learned with a "closed mind" - that's for sure. People like that behave as if they
know it all anyway, or why would their minds be closed in the first place? To insult
that which they do not know? We need more astrometeorologists. The more, the
better. Australia and New Zealand has one helluva a good astromet and I suggest
those that throw out the insults take a break on the uncalled for personal attacks,
mocking, etc., and check out what Ring has to say. That Moon up there, the Sun,
the planets and the stars, like I said, are not there for our entertainment. Not one
bit.
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Sean M i can understand an air tide, but the thing is that the molecules of air are alot
Member further apart than water, does this mean its harder for gravity to pull it in a
tide or easier?
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i can understand an air tide, but the thing is that the molecules of
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Posts: 168 gravity to pull it in a tide or easier?
Loc: Pacific
Northwest, Good question. Just think of water tides, and then air "tides" - air is just a gaseous
USA form and it is what we call the atmosphere. It can be stetched easily, expanded, or
contract. It can be stretched as well as the other elements like earth, water, and
fire.
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Sean M it that is so, than it is quite easy to imagine that there are tidal air currents
Member moving around just as in the ocean, but to what extent? surely it would be
dissapated by convection currents in short time, but the displacement must
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it that is so, than it is quite easy to imagine that there are tidal air
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Posts: 168 surely it would be dissapated by convection currents in short
Loc: Pacific time, but the displacement must have an effect. sounds like an
Northwest, idea for a reaserch project to me.
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It is an excellent area of research. Tidal air currents are fun things to learn. Check
out NCAR for more. Here's a link ~ Walker Circulation
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Ben I struggle to see how Ken Ring can be 'one of the best weather forecasters on
Meteorological the planet', and astrometeorology can be used ahead of the current day
Motor Mouth forecasts. I have been following Ken Ring's work for 3 years now, seen his
forecasts and long term predictions and about 20% of the time they have
come off! Just take a look at the day to day forecasts on his site and compare
Registered: them to the BoM's! The observations show the BoM's forecasts to be far more
11/10/2002 correct, and astrometeorology to be inaccurate. Those who take part in it and
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believe that it is true are the ones who are blinded. I agree with others
Loc: Tweed Coast
comments to do some forecasts of your own Theodore, and prove us wrong..
because honestly I could not be stuffed to try those 'simple' procedures as I
believe it is a waste of time.
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Thunderstruck While I respect that astrometeorology requires high intelligence to understand

and a lot of effort to grasp, I cannot fathom how it can be used to
Lightning man continuously make specific WEATHER forecasts for a highly changable
atmopsheric condition. The weather changes every day and requires a
significant amount of complex mathematical knowledge -> something which
most computer models calculate for us and display an output which the
forecaster interprets to his or her opinion.
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10/05/2001 How can an astrometeorologist for example say "Patchy rainfall will occur at
Posts: 14953 point 'X' on date 'Y', a high pressure system will move over point 'Z' on date
Loc: Seaford 'Y' followed by a cold front which will induce showers for a period of length
Meadows, SA 'B'. Such specific times, dates and locations from something so general and
predicted so far out for such a changeable and complex atmospheric science
that is hard enough to grapple in 5 days!!! I just cannot fathom it. Where is
the sense in making continual forecasts for supposed 'accuracy' if the odds
are well and truly against it??
TS
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Originally posted by Theodore:
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Originally posted by sean M:
[b] it that is so, than it is quite easy to imagine that there are
tidal air currents moving around just as in the ocean, but to wh
extent? surely it would be dissapated by convection currents in
short time, but the displacement must have an effect. sounds l
an idea for a reaserch project to me.
It is an excellent area of research. Tidal air currents are fun
things to learn. Check out NCAR for more. Here's a link ~ Walker
Circulation [/b]
I fail to see the connection between 'tidal air currents' and the Walker circulation.
The Walker Circultaion is caused by trade winds which have nothing to do with
these 'tidal air currents' but are caused by air pressure differences between the
equatorial regions and the mid latitudes. I dont see the word 'tidal' even mentioned
once in that article you linked to?
Surely these 'tidal air currents' would be so weak that other air currents would
cancel them out anyway. I mean the air has very little mass and would not be
effected that much by the moons orbit, would it not?
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The Sun-Earth relationship on weather can be monitored at

Every square foot of the Earth is pierced by a lines of electromagnetic force,

Some of these particles can take up temporary residence in an equatorial zone

The Earth-Moon Relationship:

Tropical Cyclone Mala strikes Burma

Tropical Cyclone Monica Hits Northeastern Australia

Hurricane Andrew Strikes U.S. Southeast

Hurricane Katrina batters U.S. Gulf Coast

U.S. Atlantic Blizzard of 1993

Hurricane Wilma pounds the Yucatan Peninsula

Each Lunar phase has a changing effect on the weather, whether it be

Why do you think 13 is considered 'unlucky'? According to Ring, the number

Lesser known to non-astrometeorologists are the orbit anomalies that occur at

The "Weather" is what happens when atmospheric tides are gravitationally

Meteorologists utilise sea level or sea surface temperature analysis as tools in

See ~ Lunar Gravity Effects on Earth\'s Weather

Atmospheric tides were researched in 1807 and rediscovered by British

See ~ Measurements of Lunar Effects on Tides

Weather prediction by astrometeorology is a highly-refined area of sidereal

Table 1 lists indicators of weather attributes of the planets and signs.

Changing phases of the Moon occurring from 4 pm to 10 pm may be followed

Sun ~ warm ~ still ~ dry

Sign ~ Temperature ~ Wind ~ Moisture

Aries ~ hot ~ windy ~ dry (1st or 4th moon: violent)

12 midnight-2 am ~ fair ~ frost unless wind S or W

American astrometeorologist George J. McCormack - also known as "GeeJay"

Weather forecasts based on George J. McCormack updated synopsis, "The

Interestingly, the system of astrometeorology by which solar, lunar and

"The Weather Bureau, incidentally, has at its disposal highly sophisticated

"At the beginning of World War I, McCormack meticulously duplicated, tested

"Unfortunately, few students had McCormack's dedication, persistence,

The Sun controls the constitution of the atmosphere.

Planets regulate organic changes in earth's weather ~

(b - When in major stations, that is, either on the celestial equator, in

(c - By angular relationship with the Sun or between each other in longitude,

(d - By radical occupancy or eastward transit over any given terrestrial

The Moon is the functional element; it reflects Barometric and Atmospheric

Seasonal anomalies of weather are determined as much by celestial bodies in

McCormack presented the results of his life's work to the government. It is an

"Saturn in Aquarius is the key to the next outbreak of influenza," he told

There was no comment from the Weather Bureau.

For more on astrometeorology, see ~

Currie, R. G., 1992. Deterministic signals in height of sea level world-wide

Currie, R. G., 1995, Variance contribution of Mn and Sc signals to Nile River

Pettersson, Otto, 1912, The connection between hydrographical (sic) and

Pettersson, Otto, 1914a, Climatic variations in historic (sic) and prehistoric

Pettersson, Otto, 1914b, On the occurrence of lunar periods in solar activity

Pettersson, Otto, 1915, Long periodical (sic) variations of the tide-generating

Pettersson, Otto, 1923, Innere Bewegnung in den Zwischenschichten des

Pettersson, Otto, 1930, The tidal force. A study in geophysics: Geografiska

Sanders, J. E., 1995, Astronomical forcing functions: From Hutton to

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Re: Astrometeorology #4359 - 08/06/2006 16:18

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