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MT OK anything else

OK were moving in
TH Yes so as you can tell if you havent noticed quite quickly

we have had couple of occurrences where

build land things are changing hourly

Mr Yei in his wisdom sent out careful explanation of Do this and dont do this

from build team tend

or you are doomed to die But people because its coming the

because we into the habit of doing that Dont do that Urn we

to gloss over it get

all
rnassive modifications to the build system all over the place
are making

attention to these build notifications

platforms everywhere you need to be paying

team whos working on this Well and be

go our from anybody on the build trey

but you have

you want to filter it

put like Tree in brackets or something if

good and

got to read this stuff

there and trust that

IR The Bonsai tree will always be updated can you always go

We know we heres we
TB will do our due diligence but you put...right
the thing

on Bonsai dont want Chris to spend 20% of his time for every major
put it

if we on Bonsai people arent

thing just mailing out the notifications right put it

really looking at Bonsai and they miss it If we send it to client eng people will say

were miss it Well our best to let

well if you dont put it on Bonsai going to try

you know but you will. have to be watching

There need to be definitive way how will know whether can check in right

now

LT Is the tree closed mean...if the tree is closed dont check in

JR think it has to be Bonsai is the place you look

Ml OK just want to reinforce something Urn the build people if this were normal

release the tree would be closed for long time right now because there are many

car poois of work that sanitization work thats been off on

major coming in

branch or off on private place thats coming in because if we close the tree and

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took for week it would be really unlikely that people could check
many car pools

stuff in to the tree in that week and we would definitely not make 331 We are

out have these car pools land and have the tree open for
trying to figure way to

work to the same time The thing thats going to make that
sanitization happen at

work is for us to be really responsive to the build team when they change the rules

on microsecond because of what this car pooi is doing weve just got to go with

it Weve got to be really sensitive to just rolling with what the build team says

well you know its really just going to take us two

Because the alternative is saying

months to get there cause you know we have to go very slowly

TH And contrary to popular opinion we arent doing it

just to piss you off were only

to off laughter
slightly doing it
just piss you

Just so..

Ml Thats just benefit side effect

TH Right we have to get something out of this

Just so everybody knows especially on the Mae and UNTX platforms theres

be few changes that come in in the next few days to deal with the
going to quite

changes Steve has done with the Moz Medium right because Moz Medium doesnt

really work on Mac andljust deal with it

just
be very very careful before you pull
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right to know whether the universe has changed Very very important

Id like to make an amendment to that urn if youre MAC FE engineer dont

touch the projects without talking to me first

FEET and everything wed like to say big thank you to everybody is Gordon

Seraton in here OK Gordon you are maniac applause Gordon think pulled

36 hour day here the other day uh getting all the uh Java stuff and everything else

and cleaning up some other things that he didnt even have to do and he still still

was able to stay awake during Linus Torvalds speeeh...I was impressed by
that

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GS It was close though

Ml Way too many people in this room Are we getting out of here

One more thing sent out mail to bunch of people this is the XE Nab source

cleaned least arent

clean up issues...the back end that arent up yet or at officially

of where we
cleaned up And Ive been trying to get
better understanding are

this directory
sent out mail to bunch of you are you the right person to be owning

and whats the current state of it havent back from most of you please reply

This is really important

MT Theres no please about it reply or die

OK what he said

LT One last thing were not doing tabs were not converting tabs to spaces we just

rolled over and we said this is stupid or not stupid its just too hard to do were

not going there

just

JZ But we are going to continue to refer to Lloyd as Lloyd space space space space

space laughter

MT OK thanks you good bye Im calling you back Jamie from my office

JZ OK

Hallway conversation post meeting

TH think we actually need to go into huddles and think about all the things that were

that need to be..

missing

DM You thought you were going home early tonight

TH have to got no sleep last night Ill be working from home need to like not be

here for little while

DM OK we need to get this scoped out and..I need to figure out how much work this

is in the Mac platform

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TH started to try
in the...you read the bug thing started last night

DM went through page of it and was like uuuuh uuuh

TM know know all right start things that know were going to have to go over

that havent been and the that are sort of in this in between state But know
things

Im missing stuff too and Im trying to

go back into the bug list for third party

stuff and then Em...the problem is with the third party stuff nobodys gone back in

and put directory associated with those components so half the..so we need to

mean work
go back and and thats on
fix that can certainly that tonight
ir
DM All right Ill take look at all the bugs later on today and Ill
page you..

TH ..and then we can figure out who to drag in to this

DM OK probably Scott Ill call Scott

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Elevator

And now its faster think ..did you read that like one of the performances took

like billion seconds to load Im going what is. .1 think there was mistake

TH What is billion seconds

It was long time..

Do you have any other changes for the build environment..

OK big Tar Balls or do you

so you want to go the route of three want to go
througJ9
one core Tar Ball and dot.sic ball for Mac dot zip ball for Windows and

Ic
another Tar Ball for unix replicate the code across that

Does Jamie want to go for that as well

LT will verify with him but thats probably the most useful thing People dont want

to download..

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LT It shouldnt be any more work we could do it either way dont really care but

its..

dont care Ijust want the engineers happy and want Mozilla.org happy and

want to make sure until we have the CVS repository right that we have an

automated way to create these things that doesnt make people crazy

LT Right by next week well have decision

TH Laughs

Well unfortunately own the damn bug

LT Oh you do assign it to me yeah cause Ill just talk to Jamie about it

4JjJy
OK Ill write what we talked about now in the bug and Ill assign it to you later

today And give you the input from the Mac weasels and the windows weasels

Ive got to talk to Chris Macabee but suspect that hes going to say the same
jc
thing Right But its gonna have to be we should probably do dot sic ball for

Mac and dot zip ball for windows and tar for..

LT right zip and tar

keep the platform people happy right

Um there was some other stupid thing had to ask you about but cant remember

what it is right now..

LT Oh how do MAC people sign forces..

LT You can do this from UNIX box too you can just pull this and check it in from

UNIX box if you had to right

Hey Pink

Yes sir

Oh is that Paul

have no idea

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Uh OK Oh maybe Chris knows this come around to this side

LT When you do commit in Mac CVS can you give it options like dash-R or two

dotO

laughter

Chris No you cannot give it options Yeah thats exactly what you have to do

LT Its just easy you you just go to your home directory you do CVSCO what

youre going to do and then just do commit dash two dot We can tell

everybody how to do that right

Yeah we can automated it too right

LT Uh ..you dont want to automated it this is through Sun. .you want it something

bug thats on your signature youre putting your name on this Laughter

Automate .. .Mac users No that was sarcasm

Were not going to be able to automate that OK weve got to write this down too

You write that down

LT Ill write that down Ill write down how you do this

That sounds like feature addition for Mac CVS at some point

Oh wait you knew about Mac CVS org didnt you

Did you know what did Ive got like this commando plan to get Mac CVS out

there So we created Mac CVS.org and were going to GPL it and..

LT Really

Yeah

LT Dynamite This is with uh whats uh whats his name the guy who wrote it...he

really wanted this at first.

Scott Silver

LT No no Scott the other

guy.. .Dan Clifford yeah

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In fact Im gonna call Danno this afternoon and connect

LT Hell do the
happy dance

So the people at Metroworks are really theyre salivating over it and the guy who

was the
guy that Paul called He said yesterday

LT Kingdon Call and get hold of Jim Kingdon

Back east at some university or something like that

Oh right right yeah..

So theyre all excited about that weve got web page..

LT Oh cool..

And so its looking pretty cool Weve got laughs weve got our own

sanitization
problem too which is like weve got the whole thing right in...creating

our own web page and all this shit its like...after spend like 12 hours on

all...source 331 then Im gonna spend hours on this shit...and this dumb ass is

in it
too right cause hes our build czar for it...oh its real thrill Anyway

wanted to make sure uh Jamie new about it because hes on the review board for

that Once we put that stuff out

Ct
Yes what do you need..

Whats the deal on Mac are we still ..running

Well you need to work with Scott because one of the Scotts doing
things thats

right now is hes slamming the wall..

We are bummed OK Pink call Scott and figure out how were to solve this
going

problem because its going to be down to our team to do that because Gordons

not worrying about this either and weve got to figure out plan on this by the end

of the day tomorrow because we dont want be

to screwing around in the middle

of next week with this shit

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So youre doomed Youre doomed to be worrying about this

Gee thanks

Whoo hoo Im free

Yeah the
problem is its its gonna be really hard to get beyond the point of

building and linking.

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