Is it Wise to Keep Your Wisdom Teeth?

Guest: Blanche Grube, D.D.S.

The following presentation is for informational purposes

only and is not intended to diagnose, treat, or cure your
condition or to be a substitute for advice from your
physician or other healthcare professional.

Jonathan: Welcome to the Holistic Oral Health

Summit. I’m your host, Jonathan Landsman. Did you
know that 80 percent of disease symptoms are related to problems in the
mouth? As a health and fitness consultant for nearly 30 years, I believe this is
one of the most overlooked problems within conventional and integrative
medicine. That’s why I created this summit, to help you identify, prevent, and
eliminate the roots of disease.

Our show today, Is It Wise to Keep Your Wisdom Teeth? Our guest, Dr.
Blanche Grube, graduated from Queens College and received her doctorate
from the University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey in 1982. Dr.
Grube also holds a second doctorate in integrative medicine from Capital
University of Integrative Medicine in Washington, DC. She received her
training in conscious sedation at Albert Einstein Hospital, New York and St.
Joseph’s Hospital of New Jersey, now Rutgers School of Dental Medicine.

With extensive training in homeopathy, nutrition, iridology, colon

hydrotherapy, neural therapy, and acupuncture, Dr. Grube is a board-
certified biological dentist from the International Academy of Biological
Dentistry and Medicine, a past president of the organization, holds fellowships
from the Institute of Natural Dentistry and the Dental Association of
Conscious Sedation, worked with Dr. Hal Huggins for over 23 years, and is
now the only educator of the Huggins Grube Protocol.

Please join me in welcoming Dr. Blanche Grube! Dr. Grube, welcome!

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Dr. Grube: Oh, thank you very much, Jonathan! It’s my pleasure to be here! It
really is!

Jonathan: Dr. Grube, help us to understand how the body deals with specific
tissue types. And why should we care about this to begin with?

Dr. Grube: Oh, I’d be delighted. Anybody who’s ever had an ingrown hair
understands that when something is in the wrong place at the wrong time, it
creates a problem for the body. So let me explain a little bit about that. In
order to do that, I do have to get a little technical and a little scientific.

When we look at the point when—we’re really getting historical here—at the
point when the sperm and the egg come together, they form and they make
that one first cell that’s going to turn into be a full human being. That cell
divides. And then those two cells divide again. And then the four cells divide
again.

And on and on and on this goes until you have something called the
blastomere, which is a ball of cells. Obviously, I believe in a lot of energetic
work. And there’s reasons why I believe it’s not just genetics and other
reasons why this ball of cells turns into a full human being. So something
happens. Let me just say that something happens. And part of that ball begins
to pinch in.

And when it does, the cells begin to differentiate. That’s a fancy way of saying
they begin to have differences amongst themselves. The cells that are on the
outside of this ball become ectodermal cells, meaning that those are the cells
that are designed in the full grown human being to become outside cells. Ecto
means outside. So those are the cells that become hair, skin, nails, and
actually the crown portion of the tooth. Ectodermal cells, everything that is on
the outside.

The cells that roll in and continue to proliferate inside this ball become
mesodermal cells. That means inside—in the meso, in the middle. So those
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cells are the ones that become our organs. And one of the things that it
becomes is our bone marrow, the inside of our bones. And it also becomes the
roots of our tooth. The root of a tooth is mesodermal in nature.

So it’s a very interesting combination because in a tooth, you have two

different natures, two different types of cells. You’ve got ectodermal on the
top. And the root of the tooth, which is actually inside the bone marrow, is
mesodermal.

So I don’t even know that there’s any place else in the body where you have
that combination of two different kinds of cells because they’re in two different
parts of the body. The crown portion of the tooth was always designed to be
outside the body. The mouth is considered outside the body. When that ball of
cells that I was talking about just a few minutes ago, when that first group of
cells pinch in and they go from one end of the ball to completely to the other
end of the ball…

And actually on one of my videos, you can actually see me sticking my fingers
through a balloon to try to give people a visual of what that’s like. When that
happens, the one end of that pinch becomes the mouth. And the other end of
that pinch becomes the anus. So technically, when you put your finger inside
of a balloon and push through a full-blown balloon, your finger really is not
inside the balloon. It’s still on the outside of the balloon. I’m hoping that our
listeners can visualize what I’m talking about.

So your mouth, your esophagus, the lining of your stomach, the lining of your
small intestines, large intestines, all the way out to your anus is actually
outside the body. So if you swallow a marble when you’re a child and it’s
rolling through you, technically the marble may be in your stomach, and it
may be in your intestines. But the marble is not inside your body and, of
course, hopefully, it comes out the other end.

Teeth are different, though. Part of the tooth is outside the body. It’s in the
mouth, the crown portion. The root is inside the body, inside the bone
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marrow. That is considered inside the body. So it’s a very interesting thing. If
a person has a tooth that for some reason did not develop the way it’s
supposed to develop, or it developed but then didn’t get that signal that said,
“Okay, now it’s now for you to erupt and for you to come outside with your
crown portion of your tooth outside of the mouth,” for some reason that
doesn’t have any connection.

And there’s so many environmental factors that can create havoc in the body.
The mother could have had a stressful day. There could have been radiation
involvement. There could have been alcohol involvement, cigarette
involvement, any one of those. The myriads of toxins that we come into
contact with every day that kept that signal from happening the way it was
supposed to happen. And so the tooth then becomes impacted. It’s just sitting
there.

Now, not all impacted teeth are in a position where they couldn’t possibly
come out, even if they wanted to. We call those laterally impacted. In other
words, the tooth is lying down sideways. It’s actually facing in the wrong
direction. And if it was to start moving and start trying to erupt, it would
literally crash into the second molar or the tooth in front of it.

Not all teeth are like that. Many of the impacted wisdom teeth are literally in
the right position. Their crown is facing up. Their roots are facing down. But
they’re just sitting there. Something is preventing them from coming out. And
so what happens year after year after year, you’ve got ectodermal tissue—
which is the crown portion of the tooth—you’ve got ectodermal tissue in a
mesodermal space. That is something that is totally not tolerated by the body.

So getting back to my original example, somebody’s got an ingrown hair. And

those of our listeners who have had an ingrown hair, they know exactly what
I’m talking about. It hurts like the dickens. And usually, not only does it hurt,
but then the body says, “Okay, we’ve got a problem. We’ve got ectodermal
tissue in a mesodermal space. We have got to get rid of it.”

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So the first thing the body does is send white blood cells to the rescue to try to
attack this piece of hair. And if it can’t dissolve the hair, the next thing the
body does is puts lots of fluid around this hair. And so then before you know
it, you’ve got what looks like a cyst or a huge pimple. And now, it’s turned red.

And it’s hot. And it’s painful. And it’s a real problem until you build up the
courage. And you just say, “You know what? Somebody, give me a straight
pin. I’m going to prick this thing myself.” And somebody will pop it, and out
comes the fluid. And usually, this long curly hair comes out also. See that’s
the body’s solution.

Well, the exact same thing happens in the mouth. If you have an impacted
tooth—again ectodermal tissue in a mesodermal space—the body becomes
aware of that being a problem. And so it sends white blood cells, first to try to
dissolve the problem. Then, if it can’t do that, then it’s going to send fluid to
the area. And that fluid is going to build up around this impacted tooth. And
before you know it, you’ve got something called a cyst in your jaw bone.

Now, does this happen to everybody who has an impacted tooth? No! I almost
wish it did because then they would take care of the problem sooner, rather
than later. There are a lot of people out there who, their immune system just
doesn’t function as well as it should. And so the tooth sits in the jawbone for
10, 20, 30 years. And then it becomes cystic. And the problem with that, of
course, is that the patient is a lot older and can tolerate the surgery a lot less.

Now, when I was in dental school, I was told way back then that if a tooth
becomes cystic, it must be extracted right away. And, of course, we were told
to extract wisdom teeth because they could be become cystic. Well, it just
didn’t resonate with me. And I thought, “You know what? If it ain’t broke,
don’t fix it.”

So when I first started practicing, I would probably say for the first 10, 20
years of my practice, I would tell people, “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. If your
impacted teeth are not bothering you, leave it alone because the surgery itself
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is pretty traumatic. And you’re going to be looking like a chipmunk for the
weekend. And your jaw’s going to be sore. You’re not going to want to open
your jaw wide. And it’s just going to mess up your weekend.” That was really
my thinking.

Boy, was I wrong! I couldn’t have been any wronger! And the very first patient
of mine who had an impacted wisdom tooth that became cystic, lo and behold,
was my father. God has a funny way of bringing things to our attention. My
father calls me up in the middle of the winter and says, “I’ve got a bump in my
mouth.” And I said, “Really, dad?” He lives down in Florida. I said, “Dad,
would you do me a favor? Go to the local dentist. Get an x-ray and send it to
me.”

He sends me the x-ray. I take a look at it. And I say, “Oh, boy! Your wisdom
tooth has become cystic. Your body is trying to get rid of it.” I said, “Dad,
you’ve got to come and get that tooth taken out right away. Of course, my
father said, “I’m not coming to Scranton in the middle of the winter. Are you
crazy? I’ll wait until June when I come up to see you. And I’ll get it taken care
out then.” That was six months later.

By the time my father came up to Scranton to have this cystic impacted

wisdom tooth removed, the hole was the size of, I would say, a plum, about
the size of a plum, which meant that he had lost about 50 percent of his
upper maxillary bone. And I was scared to death. And I thought, “Oh, boy! I
should have told him to get that wisdom tooth taken out a long time ago.”

Of course, then I continued my studies with Dr. Huggins. And he happened to

mention one day that ectodermal tissue never belongs in mesodermal space.
And it clicked in my head. And I said, “You know what? He’s absolutely right.”
And so I went back to my embryology textbooks. And I continued to study.

And I said, “Yeah. You know what? This is basic embryology 101. If something
is in the wrong spot in the body, the body is going to spend a lot of time, a lot
of energy, and waste, unfortunately, a lot of precious white blood cells trying
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to get rid of what does not belong there. So that’s my message right now. I
really think that impacted teeth should be removed.

Now, if somebody has a perfectly good wisdom tooth that has erupted at the
right time, which is usually between the ages of 18 to 23, if it’s erupted during
that time and the tooth is in the mouth, wonderful. Congratulations! Leave it
alone. But if the tooth is impacted, then that’s going to be an added stress to
your immune system.

And that’s what our practice is all about, removing stressors to the immune
system so that your body can deal with the really important things that are
coming down the pike. We live in a very stressful world. We live in a world that
has all kinds of environmental toxins. The last thing you want to do is add one
more.

This is the same reason why we encourage people not to smoke. We

encourage people not to be heavy alcohol consumers. We encourage people,
certainly not to do illicit drugs because you want to give your immune system
a break. Cut it a break. Let it deal with the things that it has to deal with.
Don’t add more burdens to it.

And so that’s why now I have done 180 degree turn. And I tell all of my
patients that have impacted wisdom teeth to get them out. Give your immune
system a break. Let it do things that are much more important than having to
deal with an impacted tooth, which is never going to erupt anyway and is
never going to be able to serve you.

Jonathan: Dr. Grube, I can only imagine what you’re about to say. And I just
pray that people are listening very carefully to this. Because as I said
originally about this event, some of the information throughout this event,
there are bits and pieces here that could literally be lifesaving.

Dr. Grube, can impacted wisdom teeth actually trigger autoimmune diseases?

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Dr. Grube: Dr. Huggins used to say that all the time. I can’t say specifically
that I’ve actually seen it. But I can imagine. Understanding the histology and
the embryology and how the body functions, I can imagine that happening for
sure.

Jonathan: So what should we know before—and this is crucial information—

before we allow any dentist to take care of this, before we allow that wisdom
tooth to be removed, what do we have to know?

Dr. Grube: Well, you have to know and you have to understand that there is
such a thing called a cavitation or a cavitational cyst. That’s an area in the
bone marrow, it’s usually where a tooth was taken out. But the bone marrow
never really fully healed the way it was supposed to heal.

Now, I’m going to stick myself out on a limb right now and tell you that I truly
believe, with all my heart, I truly believe that most of the cavitations form
because dentists traditionally use Novocain with epinephrine. Now, I’m saying
Novocain for our listeners. Of course, dentists know that there’s all different
kinds of Novocain. There’s Carbacaine, Septocaine, Mepivacaine. We’ve got a
whole bunch of different ones. But the layperson understands it as Novocain,
the numbing agent.

Well, when a dentist uses Novocain with epinephrine, epinephrine, it’s a very
natural chemical that the body produces. It’s produced in the adrenal glands.
It’s your flight or fight reaction. Epinephrine is what’s released when you’ve
just seen a lion. And you’ve got to run up a tree. And so it causes constriction
of your blood vessels. It causes your heart to beat fast. And it does all these
wonderful things that you need to have happen so that you can get up that
tree.

But that doesn’t mean that you want epinephrine when a dentist is just about
going to do a filling on you. And, by the way, the epinephrine is produced
synthetically and put in the Novocain ampules, a little thing that the dentist
uses to give you Novocain.
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When you receive Novocain from a dentist, and it’s got epinephrine in it, many
of our patients tell that they do feel their heart beating faster. They’re very
much aware of the changes taking place in their body. And so it is true that
the epinephrine causes all of the blood vessels to contract.

Well, that’s a good thing for the dentist because the blood vessels contract.
The Novocain stays in the spot that it’s supposed to stay in. And the patient is
numb for anywhere from an hour to two hours. And they can go ahead and
proceed to take out four impacted wisdom teeth without having to stop and
give the patient more Novocain.

That’s a good thing for the dentist, maybe not such a good thing for the
patient. Because when those blood vessels contract, the smallest of the blood
vessels, which are the capillaries, they close completely. Now, when those
small capillaries close, all their job is to take red blood cells to every cell. And
that red blood cell is carrying oxygen. So if the smallest of the capillaries have
closed completely, well then those cells that are waiting for oxygen are not
going to get it.

So I once asked Dr. Jerry Bouquot, who is one of the, not one, probably the
leading world pathologist, bone pathologist expert. I once went up to him after
a lecture. And I asked him, “How long can a bone cell go without oxygen?” And
his answer surprised me. He scratched his head a little bit. And he said, “Well,
I’m being generous. I would say about 34 seconds.” That’s not a long time.

So if you have capillaries that are completely closed for 34 seconds, then those
cells are not getting oxygen. And those cells are dying. And within a very short
period of time, you have a lot of dead bone cells. So what happens? The
dentist takes out four wisdom teeth. Puts in some cotton. Sends the patient on
their merry way and expect all of that bone to heal.

Well, the bone is only going to heal in areas where the bone is alive. In areas
where the bone is dead, it is not going to heal. So I’m really of the very strong
belief that most cavitations are caused by the epinephrine given by dentists.
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And my phone is going to be ringing off the hook probably from every dentist
in the country. And everybody’s going to be jumping down my neck for making
such a bold statement. But I really do believe it’s true. Why do we have so
many people walking around with four cavitations? They had four wisdom
teeth taken out. They’re walking around with four cavitations. And I know
you’ve had other speakers talk about cavitations. So I’m not going to get into a
lot of the details about that. But it becomes a problem for a good percentage of
the population.

Now, we’re on the cutting-edge of this kind of science. So I really can’t tell you
exactly what is the percentage of people that have four cavitations and are
sick from it and actually have symptoms that they can trace back to the time
that they had their wisdom teeth taken out?

We don’t have those statistics right now because conventional dentistry, as a

whole, denies even the existence of cavitations. So if they’re denying the
existence of cavitations, how can we do those kind of studies in universities
and have peer-reviewed studies and really get some good information from
these studies? That doesn’t exist.

Jonathan: Just to be clear, Dr. Grube, you can get Novocain for the layperson
without that substance in it. And the idea is you can be numb, but not close
down the vessels. Is that fair to say?

Dr. Grube: Absolutely. In my office, we use Carbacaine 99 percent of the

time—Carbacaine with no epinephrine. There’s also another brand called
Citanest Plain, no epinephrine. It’s not absolutely necessary.

Jonathan: Okay, let’s jump right into it because this is also equally very
important to pay attention to. I ask you, Dr. Grube, what is the best way to
remove a wisdom tooth?

Dr. Grube: Carefully! Very, very carefully! To not be facetious, the tooth has to
be removed carefully. But it should be removed without epinephrine. And after
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the wisdom tooth is taken out, there’s a sac around this tooth. Every tooth
has a sac. I guess you would say it’s analogous to the sac around a baby
before the baby’s born. Well, when the baby is born, everybody very happy.
And they’re all looking at the baby. But the doctor’s paying attention to the
fact that the rest of the afterbirth has to come out also.

Well, that’s true of a wisdom tooth also. When the wisdom tooth is taken out,
it’s important for the dentist to go back in there and remove the sac around
the tooth and make sure that all of it is removed so that the patient doesn’t
form a cavitation later on.

But the advice I give people who are having wisdom teeth taken out, just ask
the dentist not to use epinephrine. And if we can get the dentist to make sure
all of the sac was removed around the tooth, all of the ligament that held the
tooth to the bone, make sure it is all removed. Then more likely than other,
they’re going to heal up very nicely.

Jonathan: And just quickly, Dr. Grube, not that I’m a dentist or an expert in
this, but I’m just visualizing that if a dentist grabs a wisdom took and pries it
against another tooth, can you talk about some of the concerns about the
technique used and actually getting that tooth loose and then yanking it out?

Dr. Grube: Well, most dentists are very well trained. We’re incredibly
meticulous people. So I really don’t think that’s a problem. Occasionally, very,
very rarely—and I do see it, but it’s very rare—occasionally, I will see a second
molar damaged because the oral surgeon had a difficult time getting the
wisdom tooth out. But that’s, for the most part, you don’t see that. For the
most part, the dentists are very, very careful.

Jonathan: Okay. So now that we’ve gotten to the point of understanding

something so important before getting the tooth extracted and what the best
ways are to remove it, what are your concerns related to these old extraction
sites of wisdom teeth, which let’s face it, it’s literally millions of them out there
of people listening to this program, Dr. Grube?
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Dr. Grube: That’s true, literally, millions of sockets that have been taken out,
the wisdom tooth was removed 20, 30, 40 years ago. And if the bone marrow
never healed properly, then it becomes a cesspool. It becomes a place where
the bacteria that were originally in there to reproduce, to do the same thing we
do: eat, metabolize the food. And then we call them toxins. But it’s literally the
piss and poop of bacteria.

When those piss and poop of bacteria, the toxins that they produce after
they’ve eaten, when that level gets high enough, then those toxins begin to
seep out of the cavitations. Then is when the patient begins to get symptoms
because then the body is alerted to the fact that there’s a problem in that
area.

And so then their immune system is now struggling to try and take care of
this infection. It’s very difficult for the body to do because there’s no
circulation inside of a cavitation. So white blood cells can’t get in there. They
want to. They want to get in. They’ll get close to the area. But they can’t get
inside. There is no circulation inside a cavitation.

So when we open these cavitations up, it literally is a cesspool. There’s no

bone marrow. Sometimes there’s black oil in there because the nerves at the
bottom have disintegrated. Sometimes there’s puss in there. Sometimes it’s an
empty hole because I can’t smell or see the gas that is coming out of it.

Jonathan: Another thing that I want to ask you, Dr. Grube, is not necessarily,
a lot of people will have their wisdom teeth pulled out. And they don’t really
any symptoms. But like you were saying about an impacted wisdom tooth,
hey, it may not be presenting any symptoms now. But as you get older, there’s
problems. This stuff that you’re describing doesn’t necessarily represent
physical pain for someone. Is that fair to say?

Dr. Grube: You’re absolutely correct, Jonathan. There are a lot of people that
don’t make the connection between symptoms that they may be having today
and the fact that they had a wisdom tooth taken out 30 years ago that is now
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creating a problem for the body. And also the truth is is that it doesn’t happen
to everybody. There are some people that heal very nicely after having wisdom
teeth taken out, even with epinephrine. The rule doesn’t fit everybody. Now,
there are people who smoke cigarettes, drink alcohol, and they still live to be
80. I don’t know how they do that. But they do.

Jonathan: Well, this is also, again as a side note. But I think it’s important to
bring up, Dr. Grube, just in general, this is what I think is so tricky about
taking care of one’s health. Conventionally speaking, if somebody has been
living the life the way they’ve been living and all of a sudden they get
diagnosed with cancer, conventionally speaking they’re probably going to be
given an answer like, “Well, we don’t know what really caused your problem.”

And then on top of that, they’re never taught some of the things that’s the
crucial information that you discussed with us today about how all of these
influences stress out our immune system. And over time, this is what wears
us out. And then, okay, it’s not about feeling guilty about what we’ve gone
through in the past.

But let’s get busy at getting more nutrients in. Let’s get busy with removing
things that are aggravating our immune system. This whole thing I’m
describing is not an attitude of conventionally-trained physicians. But it would
be more from your conventional training and now, how you’ve broadened your
horizons. It would be something that a person can talk about with a physician
like you. Isn’t that true?

Dr. Grube: That’s absolutely true, Jonathan. I couldn’t have said it better.
And so when somebody does get that diagnosis, the first thing they should do
is look inside the mouth. See what they have. Do they have a mouth full of
mercury fillings? Do they have five, six, seven root canals? How many
implants do they have? How many cavitations do they have? The first place
you look at is the mouth.

If you went to a cardiologist, the first thing the cardiologist would do is put
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you on the scale, see how much you weigh, do some blood tests, see what
your triglyceride level is, what’s your cholesterol level? Well, in biological
dentistry, the first thing we do is look inside the mouth.

Jonathan: But I see this as being the disconnect. So many conventionally-

trained physicians are so trained at one specific thing. Heart trouble: take a
look at the heart. If you have gut issues, take a look at the digestive tract.
And, “Well, we can’t seem to find anything. Well, it’s still just a mystery.”

And there’s more holistic point of view is saying look, the bottom line is
problems with disease, in general are basically the way I put it, too many
toxins that a body is dealing with and not enough nutrition as a buffer or a
way of nourishing a healthy, happy life.

And that combination is just common for everybody. And now, it’s a matter of
looking at each individual and seeing where is it that that person may have
some serious assaults or serious deficiencies? And let’s go after it and try to
fix those things. Conventionally speaking, they don’t look at things like that as
a cause of disease.

Dr. Grube: That’s correct. Every dentist is trained to work in the mouth.
Seldom are you told that the mouth is connected to the rest of the body. So
medicine is so compartmentalized. We don’t have one person or one specialty
that actually pulls it all together.

And I don’t know that that would ever happen because there just is so much
information out there. But you’re absolutely right. It’s just way too
compartmentalized. And, for me, I really don’t care what you call the disease. I
don’t care what name you give it. It’s all the same to me. It’s overload of
toxicity. Absolutely. Overload of toxicity and not enough nutrition to deal with
that level of toxicity.

Jonathan: And I’ve often mentioned how, for example, there’s clinics I know
outside the United States that actually look at cancer patients. As an example,
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before they do any cancer treatment, they’re taking care of problems in the
mouth.

The reason why I bring this up is just to highlight the importance of what
you’re talking about. It’s not that every single time that someone has an
autoimmune disorder, a wisdom tooth or an impacted wisdom tooth is to
blame. But the idea is to really appreciate the problems in the mouth that
could be polluting the rest of the body.

And if you see an infected root canal treated tooth, there’s an impacted
wisdom tooth and they’re swelling, or there’s some bone decay and infections
in the mouth, how could you possibly ignore that and just tell someone, even
holistically speaking as an integrative physician out there, tell someone, “Hey,
why don’t you just change your diet?” which is nice or “Why don’t you take
some supplements.” That would be nice, too. I don’t have problem with that—
and just ignore the aspects of what’s happening in the mouth. I’m sure you
would agree.

Dr. Grube: Absolutely. Absolutely.

Jonathan: So, Dr. Grube, as we close out this program, I’d love for you to
share some amazing stories of recovery. One, in particular, is a part of this
event with Dr. Robert Kleinwaks, who has really just raved about being
thankful, I should say, so grateful that he ran into you because you literally
took him in and took care of the problem right away.

I’d love for you to share that story. We certainly have his permission to do it.
And any of the other stories that might come to mind to really highlight this
connection between issues in the mouth and how it really helped people to
turn their health around, without a doubt.

Dr. Grube: Well, Dr. Robert Kleinwaks is one of our favorite patients. He’s a
chiropractor and my husband’s a chiropractor also. So they all get together.
Those guys, they’re always talking together. And usually, once that happens, I
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leave the room because I know it’s going to go on forever. And they love to tell
patient stories also. But he was definitely one of our success stories. But he
was just one of many.

We had a patient just came to my mind now. We had a patient who walked in
with a walker. She had MS. And after her dentistry, what we call the full-
mouth dental revision done the right way—after her revision, she no longer
needed the walker. And it’s been five years for her now. We call her up every
once in a while. See how she’s doing. She says she’s just doing fantastic.

We have just so many stories. Most of our patients, who have phenomenal
success are the ones who are suffering from chronic fatigue. They wake up
tired. They go to bed tired.

As a matter of fact, the first patient I removed amalgam on was the woman
who gave me my first article to read about mercury toxicity. She could only do
one thing a day. She could either go food shopping or do one load of laundry.
But she could never do two things in one day.

And I did her complete dental revision. And she was saying that a year after
that, she was up at the top of Elk Mountain getting ready to go downhill
skiing. And it just occurred to her that she didn’t have chronic fatigue
anymore. She certainly could not have gone skiing a year prior to that.

My biggest success story is my own story. I had my own fillings removed and
five root canal teeth removed. My brain fog disappeared overnight. And my
chronic myeloblastic leukemia that I…I had one percent myeloblastic cells.
They disappeared in three weeks. So I always tell people I’m my best success
story.

And we hear that all of the time. We really do. People, who are saying that
their clarity of thought is so much better. They have more energy. A lot of the
symptoms that they had are completely gone. Does that happen to everybody?
No. We don’t have 100 percent success. But it’s very high.
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Jonathan: Dr. Grube, as we close out the program, I hope this doesn’t seem
like such an aside for people listening. But I know you’ll appreciate this. And I
would love to hear from you, just your overall opinion on this whole concept.

And again, I’m going to say this before I mention what I’m talking about. That
I know conventionally speaking, this sounds like such woo-woo science and
really has nothing to do with our health.

But this thing that you alluded to earlier on about how all of these issues that
we talk about in the mouth, whether it’s gum disease, unfriendly oral
pathogens that are floating around inside and how that pollutes the rest of the
body, and infected root canal treated teeth, or impacted wisdom teeth that are
causing problems, all of these issues have an electrical signal.

And I think it’s really important that it isn’t such a woo-woo thing to say that
all of these physical issues in the mouth do have physical electrical signals or
disturbances that flow throughout the rest of the body. And this is why I feel
like this one of the most overlooked problems in conventional or integrative
medicine, for that matter, is that this is so important to make sure that the
mouth is healthy and functioning properly so that we can enjoy that healthy,
happy life that we all we want, right?

Dr. Grube: It was President Nixon that went to China with one of his cabinet
members. And the cabinet member had an appendicitis attack while in China.
And they actually did the appendectomy using no general anesthesia. They
only used acupuncture. And that was the beginning of the opening of a
relationship between the Chinese people and the American people. They
started bringing over the information that they knew about acupuncture and
meridian studies.

And so that helped us in North America and in Europe tremendously because

then we began to see that the Chinese had already mapped out the energetic
field of every organ and found out that every organ is attached to a tooth.
Every meridian in the body goes through a tooth directly or indirectly. So
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when you have a problem with one of your teeth, it’s energetically going to
affect the organ that it goes to.

So, for instance, your first molars are connected to the large intestines. So
that means that you have this cloud of energy traveling from the large
intestine to the first molar and then back to the large intestine. And it goes
back and forth all day long. Well, if you have a dead tooth or a root canal on
one of your first molars, well then that tooth can no longer give out the same
amount of energy that it received. And if that happens, well then energy comes
up from the large intestine, goes to the first molar, but comes back deficient.
There’s less energy going back to the large intestines. And so after a while, the
large intestine is definitely going to suffer.

So we get patients who come in to see us sometimes. And they’ll say, “You
know what? This tooth is bothering me.” I take a look at the tooth. And the
tooth is a virgin tooth, meaning, it’s never had a cavity, never had a filling.
Tooth looks perfect. But the tooth is bothering them.

Well, in our office, we actually take a look at the meridian chart and see, well,
what organ goes to that tooth? Because the discomfort that they’re feeling
could be coming from the organ and it’s totally an organ problem, and not
necessarily a tooth problem. And conventional dentistry has a long way to go
to catch up to us before they start looking at the body as it is—all connected.

Jonathan: And it just seems to be such common sense, Dr. Grube, that when
we’re looking at someone that has very low energy, it’s so simple, so easy.
When I first started studying natural medicine and natural therapies, my
teachers would say that the first sign of disease is fatigue.

And although it makes common sense, in conventional medicine someone’s a

little tired, they just brush it off and get the person out of the office. And they
don’t even discuss how their sleep is or what kind of toxins could be playing a
heavy role on them.

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But my bottom line here is, my point is that this low energy that you describe,
this low electrical signals, we see this as a real physical connection with
people that have the most serious health problems like cancer. They have low
vibrational energy versus someone that has a high vibrational energy that
tends to be healthier. Is that fair to say?

Dr. Grube: That’s very fair to say. Absolutely. And if you were going to buy a
horse, the first thing you would do is look at his teeth, correct? The first thing
a person does if they’re going to buy a horse is look inside the horse’s mouth
and see how healthy the horse is. It’s the same with humans. If the mouth is
not healthy, the body can’t possibly be healthy.

Jonathan: So, Dr. Grube, just as we close out, I should ask you this. The
wisdom teeth, which, again, I’m no expert, but it’s two on top and two on the
bottom right, on either sides of the mouth of the mouth, right? Where are they
connected to the rest of the body? How does that work?

Dr. Grube: Energetically, the wisdom teeth are connected to the heart. And it’s
interesting that about the time, if somebody had their wisdom teeth taken out
when they were 18, 19, 20 years old, then the toxin levels inside those
cavitations would probably be at the point when they’re about 50, 60 years
old, would be the point that they would start to have a problem there. And
that’s also the point that which people start to have problems with their heart.
So I think there’s an interesting correlation there.

Jonathan: And again just to add on and to bring clarity to this discussion, Dr.
Grube, when people say, “Well, I don’t get it. If there was no problem earlier,
why is there a problem now?” I’m sure you hear that all the time. Can you just
explain why this stuff happens until later on with something that seems to be
okay?

Dr. Grube: Well, because the amount of toxins takes time build up inside the
cavitation. It takes years for that to happen. So when you first have a wisdom
tooth taken out, you’re not going to notice any difference. It’s until years later
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when the level of toxins build up to the point where they start seeping out of
the body. They start seeping out of the cavitation. That’s when you notice it.

Jonathan: And it’s again, conventionally speaking, it seems to be a pervasive

attitude about everything. When people are trying to seek answers and they
have a gut feeling, if you will—pardon the pun—that something is wrong
inside, and they’ll say, “Maybe it’s the genetically engineered foods. Or maybe
it’s a vaccine or something?”

Conventionally speaking, they roll their eyes. And they say, “Well, it’s so little.
Or maybe it’s the cell phone next to my head. Well, it’s only for a minute or
so.” But they never appreciate what I think you’re alluding to right now. You’re
clearly saying it actually, this idea of it being bioaccumulative over time and
wearing out the body.

Dr. Grube: Exactly. It’s not one phone call with your cell phone next to your
head that’s going to cause a tumor. It’s using her cell phone day-in-day-out on
your head that’s going to cause a tumor. That’s always a possibility. And
again, it’s never just the cell phone. It’s the cell phone and the genetically
modified foods and the lack of good nutrition and the sodas and the refined
cakes and all of that stuff. And it’s an accumulation of a lot of things.

And so it’s very interesting. The same people that look at alternative medicine
and say, “Well, you know what? That’s a longshot. You can’t be looking at
somebody’s mercury levels or cavitation to cause a problem,” those same
people are the ones who are going to give you a pill and say, “Here, this will fix
everything.” Really? One pill.

Jonathan: Dr. Grube, I want to thank you so much for your time. And I want
to thank our listeners for joining us today.

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