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Only manipulate the yellow boxes.

Mechanical advance represents WOT conditions (no vacuum/100kPa MAP) minus initial ad
Vacuum advance represents additional timing at idle/part throttle/decel conditions.
The table generated is total advance (initial + mechanical + vacuum advance) vs RPM vs Map
Total advance should not exceed 34-36 degrees on most engines at WOT only. Usually need less.
Maximum total advance should be in the 40-50 degrees range on most engines.
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Map (kPa)
20 25 30 35 40 45 50 55 60 65 70
6000 38 40 41 42 42 42 42 42 41.5 40.5 38.5
5600 38 40 41 42 42 42 42 42 41.5 40.5 38.5
5200 38 40 41 42 42 42 42 42 41.5 40.5 38.5
4800 38 40 41 42 42 42 42 42 41.5 40.5 38.5
4400 38 40 41 42 42 42 42 42 41.5 40.5 38.5
4000 38 40 41 42 42 42 42 42 41.5 40.5 38.5
RPM 3600 38 40 41 42 42 42 42 42 41.5 40.5 38.5
3200 38 40 41 42 42 42 42 42 41.5 40.5 38.5
2800 38 40 41 42 42 42 42 42 41.5 40.5 38.5
2400 36.5 38.5 39.5 40.5 40.5 40.5 40.5 40.5 40 39 37
2000 33.5 35.5 36.5 37.5 37.5 37.5 37.5 37.5 37 36 34
1600 30 32 33 34 34 34 34 34 33.5 32.5 30.5
1200 26 28 29 30 30 30 30 30 29.5 28.5 26.5
1000 23 25 26 27 27 27 27 27 26.5 25.5 23.5
800 21.5 23.5 24.5 25.5 25.5 25.5 25.5 25.5 25 24 22
600 20.5 22.5 23.5 24.5 24.5 24.5 24.5 24.5 24 23 21
400 20 22 23 24 24 24 24 24 23.5 22.5 20.5

"Vacuum" Advance (degrees) per MAP value


20 25 30 35 40 45 50 55 60 65 70
8 10 11 12 12 12 12 12 11.5 10.5 8.5

"Mechanical" Advance (degrees) Computer-controlled


6000 18 Initial Advance (in degrees)
5600 18 12
5200 18
4800 18 Rule of thumb:
4400 18 Cam Duration < 210 @ 0.050 = 10 degrees initial advance
4000 18 Cam Duration 210-220 @ 0.050 = 10-12 degrees initial advance
RPM 3600 18 Cam Duration 220-240 @ 0.050 = 14-16 degrees initial advance
3200 18 Cam Duration 240-260 @ 0.050 = 18-20 degrees initial advance
2800 18
2400 16.5 MAP values (kPa) Engine vacuum (inHg)
2000 13.5 100 = 0.0
1600 10 90 = 3.2
1200 6 80 = 6.2
1000 3 70 = 9.1
800 1.5 60 = 12.1
600 0.5 50 = 15.0
400 0 40 = 17.9
30 = 20.9
20 = 23.8
m/100kPa MAP) minus initial advance

20
25
30
35
40
45
50
WOT 55
75 80 85 90 95 100 60
36.5 34.5 32.5 31 30.3 30 65
36.5 34.5 32.5 31 30.3 30 70
36.5 34.5 32.5 31 30.3 30 75
36.5 34.5 32.5 31 30.3 30
36.5 34.5 32.5 31 30.3 30
36.5 34.5 32.5 31 30.3 30 Timing
36.5 34.5 32.5 31 30.3 30
36.5 34.5 32.5 31 30.3 30
36.5 34.5 32.5 31 30.3 30
35 33 31 29.5 28.8 28.5
32 30 28 26.5 25.8 25.5
28.5 26.5 24.5 23 22.3 22
24.5 22.5 20.5 19 18.3 18
20
21.5 19.5 17.5 16 15.3 15 30
20 18 16 14.5 13.8 13.5 40
50
19 17 15 13.5 12.8 12.5 60

2000
18.5 16.5 14.5 13 12.3 12 70

1200
80
90

800
0

400
MAP (kPa) 10

75 80 85 90 95 100
6.5 4.5 2.5 1 0.3 0
Set "main spark bias" constant to 0
Set "coolant spark bias" constant to 9.84 and redo the "Coolant Compensation Spark vs Vac" table to desired spark + 9.84.
Set "initial spark advance" constant to 0 as per factory 0* distribitor setting. should match (e.g. 4 degrees)
If desired, may set distributor with some advance (e.g. 4 degrees). "Initial spark advance" value in .bin should match (e.g. 4 de
At low MAP values, a slight decrease in timing can be used to slow down the vehicle better

degrees initial advance


10-12 degrees initial advance
14-16 degrees initial advance
18-20 degrees initial advance

Other thoughts to keep in mind:


GM HEI mechanical advance is limited to 20 degrees
Tradionally, using weaker springs or heavier weights in mechanical advance serves to
get this component of timing in sooner (@ lower RPM). Old school hot rodders aim for timing "all in"
by 2800-3000 RPM
Aluminum heads can generally withstand more timing than iron heads.
http://www.chevyhiperformance.com/howto/97438/index.html

Total SA = main spark (- main spark bias) + coolant spark (- coolant spark bias) + EGR spark correction - EGR
Some .xdf files, such as the 0D_v1_02.xdf, DO NOT incorporate bias constants into the tables.
Press F10 while in TunerproRT to view the "item comments" if you are unsure.
For a tutorial on ECM/PCM timing logics: http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/diy-prom/207418-spark-correction-lv8
http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/diy-prom/317768-timing-logics-anyone
Timing Curve

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40

35

30

25

20

15

10

5
6000
5200
4400
3600
2800
2000

0
1200

80
90
800

0 RPM
400

10

table to desired spark + 9.84.


. 4 degrees)
ue in .bin should match (e.g. 4 degrees)

r timing "all in"


+ EGR spark correction - EGR spark bias

rom/207418-spark-correction-lv8-vs.html
rom/317768-timing-logics-anyone.html
Total Spark Advance
Map (kPa)
20 25 30 35 40 45
6000
5600
5200
4800
4400
4000
RPM 3600
3200
2800
2400
2000
1600
1200
1000
800
600
400

Main Spark Table


Map (kPa)
20 25 30 35 40 45
6000
5600
5200
4800
4400
4000
RPM 3600
3200
2800
2400
2000
1600
1200
1000
800
600
400

Coolant Spark Table


Map (kPa) "converted from VAC in kPa"
20 30 40 50 60 70
128
116
104
92
80
68
Temp (oC) 56
44
32
20
8
-4
-16
-28

EGR Spark table


Map (kPa)
100 97 95 92 90 87
4000 0 0 0 0 0 0
RPM 3200 0 0 0 0 0 0
2400 0 0 0 0 0 0
1600 0 0 0 0 0 0
800 0 0 0 0 0 0

Biases
Main Spark Distributor advance
Initial Spark 0
Coolant Spark **Note: not calculated in Max Spark calculation
EGR Spark

Please note that Main spark table, EGR table, and Coolant table DO NOT incorporate the spark biases.
Check your .xdf file to see if these tables DO or DO NOT automatically subtract the spark bias values.
You will need to add the appropriate spark biases to all relevant tables for this calculator to be accurate if your bias
50 55 60 65 70 75 80 85 90 95

50 55 60 65 70 75 80 85 90 95

80 90 100.0
85 82 80 70 60 50 40
0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0

Max Spark advance


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e the spark biases.


spark bias values.
ator to be accurate if your biases are automatically subtracted.
WOT
100

WOT
100
Inj PW (msec) TBI MPFI
RPM Inj DC% Inj DC%
6000 6.35 127% 64%
5900 6.35 125% 62% TBI IDC (%) = [4 * IPW (ms) * RPM]/1200
5800 6.35 123% 61% MPFI IDC (%) = [2 * IPW (ms) * RPM]/1200
5700 6.35 121% 60%
5600 6.35 119% 59%
5500 6.35 116% 58%
5400 6.35 114% 57%
5300 6.35 112% 56%
5200 6.35 110% 55%
5100 6.35 108% 54%
5000 6.35 106% 53%
4900 6.35 104% 52%
4800 6.35 102% 51%
4700 6.35 99% 50%
4600 6.35 97% 49%
4500 6.35 95% 48%
4400 6.35 93% 47%
4300 6.35 91% 46%
4200 6.35 89% 44%
4100 6.35 87% 43%
4000 6.35 85% 42%
3900 6.35 83% 41%
3800 6.35 80% 40%
3700 6.35 78% 39%
3600 6.35 76% 38%
3500 6.35 74% 37%
3400 6.35 72% 36%
3300 6.35 70% 35%
3200 6.35 68% 34%
3100 6.35 66% 33%
3000 6.35 64% 32%
2900 6.35 61% 31%
2800 6.35 59% 30%
2700 6.35 57% 29%
2600 6.35 55% 28%
2500 6.35 53% 26%
2400 6.35 51% 25%
2300 6.35 49% 24%
2200 6.35 47% 23%
2100 6.35 44% 22%
2000 6.35 42% 21%
1900 6.35 40% 20%
1800 6.35 38% 19%
1700 6.35 36% 18%
1600 6.35 34% 17%
1500 6.35 32% 16%
1400 6.35 30% 15%
1300 6.35 28% 14%
1200 6.35 25% 13%
1100 6.35 23% 12%
1000 6.35 21% 11%
900 6.35 19% 10%
800 6.35 17% 8%
700 6.35 15% 7%
600 6.35 13% 6%
500 6.35 11% 5%
PW (ms) * RPM]/1200
PW (ms) * RPM]/1200