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(Announcement)
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Hon members, the members have made and subscribe the oath
Parliament. [Applause.]
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session, be revived:
Planning Bill;
Bill;
Bill;
Amendment Bill;
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17;
to Limpopo province;
province;
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Gauteng.
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PROVINCE
communication.
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and the entity, we are dealing with that and all those
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but I see she is not in the room because she must move
Mr M WATERS: Speaker!
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Declarations of vote:
Afrikaans:
English:
interference.
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behaviour.
actions.
Afrikaans:
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English:
employees.
Afrikaans:
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Ten spyte van die harde werk van die nuwe Raad van die
bekommerd oor die huidige stand van sake by die SAUK. Dit
die uitsaaier nie. Terwyl ons die raad bedank vir die
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dankie.
English:
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approved, but only about 30% of the money shows up. The
appointment as Minister.
[Interjections.]
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Minister comes in, they come with new ideas and new
plans, and you are expecting boards and the staff to then
From this very podium, the IFP did warn the ANC against
found guilty, and now we have to deal with that mess. Had
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over the years, where it does the bidding of the ANC and,
organisation.
the new board is equal to the task and will build on the
months.
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captured.
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local level.
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[Applause.] [Interjections.]
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these 14, two have lasted longer than one year, 12 have
only.
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board.
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that the role and the mandate of the MDDA to try to deal
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accordingly adopted.
(Draft Resolution)
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animal world. To him and those that would come after him,
Africans are less than human. They all, one after the
labour.
Since those painful days when the Khoi of the Cape were
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population did not end there with the Land Act of 1913,
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not understood that we need our land. But over and above‚
for all, let us unite and pay no one for benefitting from
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say people who came here were running away from their own
are saying we must pay for the land are actually arguing
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our people must get the land’. We have offered the ANC
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[Applause.]
portfolio.
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ANC which resonates very well with the motion led by the
There are only one million of you and there are about
and indirect.
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views that Africans did not know how to use their land
Africans multiplied too fast; and that they had too many
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people went to Jan van Riebeeck and his people they said,
diary that they actually shot them. You know why they
shot them? It’s because ... They went away and came back
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The people went to Jan van Riebeeck’s men and said it was
their land. That was the Khoi and the San. So when all of
government now.
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[Interjections.]
said:
people was the land issue. They needed far more of it,
plots.
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people.
land and were given title deeds then couldn’t work the
land. They went for loans and they couldn’t service the
loans, and what happened? The same people who owned the
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in agreement. [Applause.]
The ground is holy and that we must keep it; guard it;
care for it, for it keeps men; guards men; and cares
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that land and you take away not only man’s livelihood,
amends.
[Interjections.]
IsiXhosa:
Ndicela ukuyiphinda.
English:
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without compensation?
IsiXhosa:
English:
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land reform.
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political points.
poor but will instead benefit the elite and those with
IsiXhosa:
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English:
freedom.
IsiXhosa:
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kunifundisa. [Kwaqhwatywa.]
compensation.
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as spoken of before.
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people that stole the land from the Khoi and the San in
The ANC, the NFP, the EFF and the IFP are all in
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rightfully theirs.
any event. Now, what do they do? Not only oppressed and
took away the land of our people here, they even support
Act says, hon Malema? What does it say? That if you buy
occupying land that you knew that even if you bought it,
that land that was stolen by your people, then you are
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you must be charged. Why are there two different laws and
with the Khoi and San and the District Six and the
working with the rich and the elite and all that land is
deal with this matter and deal with the expropriation and
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the Constitution for the wrongs and sins of the past and
impossible.
towards restitution
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in South Africa.
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to pay it back.
that hon Shaik Emam did not put on his red overall. What
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Afrikaans:
Die vraag is: As die regering dan die grond wil onteien
wie se grond ons praat. Almal sê dat dit die wit mense is
wat die grond moet teruggee. Ons moet ook baie duidelik
sê.
Ek vra weer die vraag: Vir wat wil u die grond gebruik?
English:
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came from the Free State like me. His name was Bram
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question last week: Who are “our people” and who are not
and many others went to Kliptown and said that the South
[Interjections.]
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land will be given to some and taken from others, you set
your microphone.
resolution:
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shared amongst those who work it; and the people shall
country.
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say, hon Mbabama I like the fact that what you said, you
IsiXhosa:
wabo.
English:
If you say we did not say that, now we are saying it.
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IsiXhosa:
English:
is why the ACDP supports fair, legal and just reform and
land redistribution.
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He continues to say:
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rebellion.
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help build one nation under the Almighty God who desires
that the benefits and profit of the land be for all its
thank you.
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[Time expired.]
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land has been with the ruling party since the dawn of
and ask them how did they sleep at night when they have
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anymore.
elections, the PAC’s slogan was land first and all shall
not for the land itself. Well, two decades later, we seem
to be making progress.
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My papa’s land
We want to know
My papa’s land
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land. Why don’t you show us the route? Show us the route
people
IsiZulu:
English:
attention away from the real reason that lie at the heart
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restitution.
Constitution.”
They said that the ANC does not need the EFF’s 6%, but
will do exactly what they want to. The ANC rejected the
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private land.
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International Airport.
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you.
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land was not stolen. I see hon Agbaar said the land was
Minister Nkwinti said. The land was not stolen but the
Fadane were the chiefs of all the African people who were
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with us. You seem to think that the land was not stolen,
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Jackson and all the forts that you find throughout this
was clear that the offensive was just too hard for our
tribes.
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realities ...
are more so in the case of those who are yet to enjoy the
Restitution Act.”
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[Interjections.]
must smash and grab, each one for himself and the devil
that had been to the Presidency before and came back for
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adopted to be law.
there.
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them was that Zuma must go, Die Stem must fall, and there
[Interjections.]
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[Interjections.]
You can’t ask the question, Who are your people? The
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So, the EFF is happy with the types of amendment the ANC
[Applause.] [Interjections.]
members! [Interjections.]
Debate concluded.
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debate. [Interjections.]
Shivambu?
option, which you did. Any party then has the right to
propose an amendment.
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Plus.
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follows:
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following:
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Committee to -
necessary”;
2018”.”
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going to continue.
the due process, according to the Rule. So, those are the
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now put the amendments, as put by the ANC. Are there any
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government, for the last 25 years, has not put its money
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Constitution.
Pegging Act, the Group Areas Act, the Native Land Act of
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[Applause.]
Parliament must sit and look into the base document that
must go forward.
without compensation.
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land.
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land back.
appointed.
He did also say that we would support the fact that this
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that.
that have not been dealt with. We should also look at the
department.
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country.
to us. [Interjections.]
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it cannot be delayed.
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The timeframe has been set. As such, the NFP agrees with
Thank you.
now.
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you.
Afrikaans:
het mos gesê dat die ekonomie nie geskaad moet word nie
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mosie kan ondersteun nie en ons sal u beveg waar ons kan.
House when you said what you said. I cannot say anything
[Applause.]
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policy and law has drifted away from its initial propoor
ways.
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must look into the future and that is what this document
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IsiZulu:
English:
come to fruition.
Constitution.
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think lays the ground and saws the seeds for black
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[Applause.]
taking over the land of our people are very lucky because
ubuntu, you are still wealthy and you were wealthy before
today.
[Applause.]
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You know, I do not say this quite often. You are very
will you take your seat. Why are you rising hon member?
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you just take your seat, please. I just want to deal with
Mr M A PLOUAMMA: No.
Ndlozi.
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[Interjections.]
[Interjections.]
member!
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Dr M Q NDLOZI: Please!
this land back to its own owners. What is wrong with you?
[Applause.]
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essence of this thing is. At last the ANC which has been
The ANC has been reluctant for twenty three years to come
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Division demanded.
Voting
[Laughter.]
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Division demanded.
Voting
(Draft Resolution)
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Grammy...
House.
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year;
Agreed to.
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(Draft Resolution)
fearless activist;
apartheid;
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fraternity.
Agreed to.
SOBUKWE
(Draft Resolution)
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Expired.]
Agreed to.
(Draft Resolution)
notice:
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the ranks;
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MDC.
Agreed to.
(Draft Resolution)
albinism;
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challenge;
albinism as well;
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Agreed to.
(Draft Resolution)
notice:
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confiscated; and
Agreed to.
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(Draft Resolution)
of the ANC:
Danai Gurira;
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Hollywood;
the movie;
Agreed to.
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ENGCOBO
(Draft Resolution)
UDM:
Ngcobo;
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Agreed to.
(Draft Resolution)
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the DA:
operational expenditures;
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budget;
Act.
Objected to.
(Draft Resolution)
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compensated.
Agreed to.
MOTTION OF CONDOLENCE
ANC:
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New York;
1983;
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diasporas;
Agreed to.
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(Draft Resolution)
Agreed to.
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SHOOTING
(Draft Resolution)
February 2018;
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reasons;
as its member;
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Agreed to.
(Draft Resolution)
unnoticed;
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to be overlooked; and
Agreed to.
(Draft Resolution)
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(5) recalls that her first story written was when she
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Agreed to.
(Draft Resolution)
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and development;
rights;
consideration;
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Agreed to.
(Draft Resolution)
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the 2016;
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Agreed to.
(Member’s statement)
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you.
(Member’s statement)
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increases.
child grants.
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(Member’s statement)
country.
not only the right thing to do, but the most economical
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for the city, but for the general welfare of the country
that the EFF indeed give a superior logic. Thank you very
much.
(Member’s statement)
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South Africa.
Bra Hugh, through his music, became one of the voices and
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“Thuma mina.”
(Member’s statement)
in foreign countries.
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students.
Chair.
(Member’s statement)
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2016.
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(Member’s statement)
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globe.
challenges.
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RECALLED
(Member’s Statement)
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(Member’s Statement)
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support for the Palestinian people. The ANC calls for the
Expired] [Applause.]
(Member’s Statement)
years the e-tolls user pay system has shown not to work.
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and clear that the e-toll system has failed and that a
and they will not pay. The government will not get the
scheme.
do the right thing and the DA says scrap the e-tolls once
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(Member’s Statement)
difference between life and death, not only for them but
clothing.
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taxes.
Thank you.
(Member’s Statement)
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style precision.
(Member’s Statement)
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[Time Expired.]
(Member’s Statement)
this year.
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(Member’s Statement)
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member found to have been part of the sex scandal are now
eliminated.
Thank you.
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(Member’s Statement)
I thank you.
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moment, and they may not be here. I will ask for those
responses.
(Minister’s Response)
in our country, as you have heard hon Chair that his song
country.
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hon Minister.
CONSTITUTION
(Minister’s Response)
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[Interjections.]
are proud of, the NDP. It was under Comrade Jacob Zuma’s
leadership.
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is earning less than R350 000 per annum can send their
(Minister’s Response)
to ... [Interjections.]
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(Minister’s Response)
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please! [Interjections]
unparliamentary.
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afternoon.
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the Minister and the hon Singh know how to bring the
matter. I can see the enthusiasm and the need for such a
NOTICES OF MOTION
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inequality.
and how the SAPS could best deal with this critical
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of order!
you can take your seat and allow the member to finish and
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legislation. [Laughter.]
by the state.
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country.
every week.
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local government.
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income inequality.
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African society.
Afrikaans:
DA kennis:
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suitable services.