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Alumni for Swami vs Alumni for Madhusudhan Naidu

Aum Sri Sai Ram

Swami said, ‘his students are his property’. He spent enormous amount of energy time and
resources to mould the character of students, so they would become good humans and assets
to society. Many thousands have gotten good quality education for free from Swami’s
institutes but only a few seem to have assimilated His teachings into their way of life or even
made an attempt to understand His teachings. Here we have one such Sai alumni defending
His master and his beloved Puttaparthi against another who seems to have taken to believing
and promoting a fraudulent medium who claims he is the subtle body of the irreplaceable Sai!

Chiran Basnet fearlessly speaks for His master Sri Sathya Sai. He hails from Nepal but has lived
most of his life in India. He was a student of the Loka Seva Trust(Alike), and Sai’s institutions in
Brindavan and Puttaparthi. With Sai’s immense grace he served in the Ashram after his
education and still lives in Puttaparthi. After spending twenty-five plus years at the Lotus Feet of
Sai, Chiran is still happy to be learning from Sai rather than from the theories propounded by
the subtle body in Muddenahalli.

Gautham Narendra speaks for the subtle body in Muddenahalli. He did his schooling at Loka
Seva Trust, Muddenahalli, his post-graduation from Puttaparthi and now is employed in Dubai.
He believes his experience of Subtle form to be true and that he is on a path to higher learnings
as stipulated by the Subtle body.

Gautham‘s write up is based on his experience and faith in Subtle form. Chiran counters the
same purely based on Swami’s Words, Life and Teachings learnt at His Lotus Feet.


Chiran: ‘I had been forwarded the write up of Gautham by many people, quite some time back. I
managed to go through it and all his doubts, frustrations and appeals spontaneously put a
counter thought in my head based on what I learnt at His Lotus Feet. However, I had no
intention of countering it publicly in spite of being requested by at least 5 devotees to do so. It is
a really painful job to sit and counter things you find not based on Sai's Teachings and most
importantly not in the Spirit of His Messages. Then again, I received this forward, so I re-read
and noticed what Gautham says sums up the regular defense and discourse of most
Muddenahalli subtle body followers. However, long and painful, I prayed and decided to answer
or counter his views.’


Gautham: First of all, I apologize for the length. You should have real patience to read it
through. The one thing that binds us all together is Swami and it should remain that way for
Chiran: Yes, it needed real patience to go through the long note. Had you pitted your claims and
experiences and compared them with innumerable Sai literature, you would not have so much to
say and I didn’t have to do the readings for you. My little personal suggestions to you is to draw
your discrimination towards Sai's words in His Lifetime and analyze your experiences with those


Gautham: Organizational politics has been happening since times immemorial. But that
shouldn't be a reason for us to disrespect each other’s beliefs. Chiran: There is absolutely no
organization politics involved in the condemnation of Muddenahalli Subtle claim. The master of
the organization politics are Narasimha Murthy and C. Srinivas. They have bought up this fiasco
out of hatred for Puttaparthi, the Central Trust and people here. Yes, Sai binds all us now and for
eternity. The reason for disrespect is not organizational but parallel orthogonal organization that
is based on claims and falsehood. A concept and illusions that completely negates Sai's warning
and retribution in His life time.


Gautham: But one thing has changed of late… We are making Swami a religion. And we
proudly claim that “This” way or “That” way is the only way! There is no other path to realize
the Divinity within. Is that not our spiritual arrogance which is raising its ugly hood?

Chiran: Yes, you are making Sai a religion and selling it too. There is no this way or that way
for simple Sai folks. There is only Sai's way. Sai has lovingly blessed all with numerous ways for
emancipations. The subtle way never featured or ever hinted.


Gautham: Firstly, we say "Swami is god. He can do anything... Literally anything!" and then in
the same breath we say "but...Swami would never use a medium or an intermediary" That’s
where I call out the sheer hypocrisy... Chiran: When we say Sai's God we believe He is
omnipotent. He can do anything. But that doesn’t mean He became subtle or that He is operating
through the dozens of fake Sai Baba’s doing business in His name. Agreed He is the Atamic
principal in us, them and all. But NOT in those claims and imitations. Sai's Life and Principles
are based on Sathya, Dharma, Shanthi Prema and Ahimsa. Sathya is what He warned about, out
of His Prema that fake gurus and imitators must be avoided. How is believing in His caution
related to negating His omnipotence? Where is the hypocrisy here? It is like he is saying Swami
does not follow Sathya, Dharma, Shanthi, Prema and Ahimsa and if you say He is verily these
ideals, he immediately retorts ‘so you are a hypocrite, you don’t believe Sai can do anything and
everything’. Who is the hypocrite here? Pretty hilarious arguments that!

Gautham: The same Swami announced in 2007 Mahashivaratri discourse that he is going on a
world tour (https://soundcloud.com/…/2007-shivratri-discourse-16th-febr…). But we don't want
to believe those words of Swami! The same Swami announced in 2005 Buddha Poornima that he
is going to Sri Lanka in public discourse (http://sssbpt.info/ssspeaks/volume38/sss38-12.pdf).
But we chose to ignore that discourse too. After all, it doesn't suit our narrative. Chiran: Swami
said many things in His life time. Always Divine though He interacted and entertained devotees
with His Human Nature that was source of Immense connection, joy and humour. Mudenahalli
believers’ permanent narrative is a blind belief that if some of those things He said didn’t
happen, then all things said and done by Sai are questionable. I remember their arguments of He
said 96 years which did not happen so what He said about 'No Intermediaries' can be 'Yes
Intermediaries' too! This is their essential logic in the creation of ‘out of nowhere subtle
concepts’. Seems like they will do the business of all those unfulfilled promises. That remains
their Business USP. All we simple folks must do is to remain in the spirit of His Life and
Messages and such beautiful memories rather than finding faults with Him and His words as that
seems to be the vital purpose of the subtle body believers.

I remember Swami telling Nepalese devotees that He will come to Nepal and give Darshan in
Pashupathi Nath Temple. Those memories and words give great joy till date. So, what if it did
not happen? Rather we rejoice in those temporary happy Blessings of Sai than lose faith egged
on by our monkey mind.

Swami said I am like a child among children …. Most of us have seen Him as Mother in His
Divine interactions. Like a loving parent, He promised many things. A mother often says I will
bring you that toy and never brings one. The child is delighted on that assurance. A mother’s
intention is never to fool or disappoint her child and more so the Divine Mother who knows what
benedictions should come our way. I pray that the subtle body followers get this important sense
of a mother’s spirit of words spoken out of love and not instead readily view and brand the
mother as a liar.


Gautham: This is just the tip of the iceberg when compared to the thousands of devotees who
have been touched by His Divine Love through dreams and visions wherein Swami showed them
that He is the One who is doing it all. I can share the contacts of few of them if anyone of you
genuinely wants to know. In fact, in many cases, they haven’t even known or seen Swami
physically. But they land up at Muddenahalli through a series of instructions given by Swami
through dreams and visions. But as most people say, we all are lying... All those 1000s of
devotees who gather at Muddenahalli, they all live in an imaginary world filled with imaginary
beings. They all hallucinate. They all are behind money, fame and power. They all use “irrational
minds to call it a personal experience”! These include our own Alumni Brothers and Sisters
whom once upon a time, we used to address (with respect) as Brother or Sister. And I wonder
where is all that respect gone? Did donations to Central Trust define our relationship as Children
of same Mother Sai? Did few dollars change our equation with each other? Chiran: You may
claim a million in your fold but if their experiences negate Sai Truth and His abject warning on
intermediaries, they remain only fools to us who do live in hallucinations and imaginary world.
Sai's caution is a proof of that.

Swami clearly warns: “Now, there are bhaktas by the million! They are increasing daily in
number. And you might have noticed, Sai Babas too have become very large in number!
Also, people claiming association with Me, claiming that I have blessed them more
plentifully than others, and authorised them to go about the bhaktas and gain importance
or funds or donations! Real devotees will never announce such absurd claims or listen to
such claims made by others. “(SSS 12.33: April 1, 1974)

While Swami tells us not to get distracted on the spiritual path by visions etc, Madhusudan
encourages his followers to seek visions of subtle bodies: “Many people have taken to the path of
meditation and they have experienced such things in their life. They have seen Gods, Goddesses.
They have seen demons. They have seen Angels. They have seen a lot of other Divine Beings in
various places.” (Madhusudan Naidu, Kodaikanal, May 19,2014)

But Swami told His devotees that external visions are distracting illusions and told His devotees
to seek Self Realisation: “To experience Divinity (Atma) in this way Ekantha-Bhakthi (one
pointed devotion) alone will help you. On any other path, you may experience visions of
different types. These are nothing but hallucinations and products of imagination.” (SSS
15.40: January 23, 1982)

Both Madhusudhan and the followers are hallucinating as per Swami’s words:

“You say that Rama or Krishna or Sai Baba, etc. have appeared before you. Several people
make such claims. These are all figments of one's illusion (bhrama). As long as you have
bhrama (illusion) you will be far away from Brahma (Divinity). On the other hand if you
have realized Brahma, bhrama can come nowhere near you. The need of the hour is
therefore to overcome this illusion. Get rid of the body attachment. Cultivate attachment to
the Atma instead. Your true identity is Atma. It has neither a name nor a form. It is the
embodiment of bliss.” (SSIB 2002.9: May 23, 2002)

What is more important reference to us? Sai's efforts and words in various volumes of Sri Sathya
Sai Speaks, Vahinis and as many Discourses? Or the unverified experience which Sai says are
illusions and hallucinations that Gautham extols us to read in Sai Vrinda website.

You said our Alumni brothers and sisters. You are also aware that the at least 99% Alumni hold
that view. Yes, you will show handful of Alumni and never fail to bring in the name of SSIHL
and other Sai Institutions. You and your other friends shows a small meeting as if it has been
sponsored by SSS University. You will also not tell the world that you have been thrown out of
our Sai Alumni group for trying to propagate Your subtle devotion.
Alumni invariably reminds me of Vijay Sai B.S. I remember him peddling lies day in and day
out and amusingly having a tagline of 'Sathyameva Jayate'. Long writeup on how people and
animals got treated. He was vehemently denying that Madhu was nothing but medium and
normal at other times. Where is he hiding today? What has he got to say on lingodbhavam and
Madhu signing as Swami? Are you going to come out and say now that Madhu too like Jesus
evolved from messenger to son to God himself? You are nothing but liar and a coward Vijay Sai

Sri Sathya Sai central Trust is the labour of Love of our Sai in His Lifetime of which Sai was the
soul and sole Trustee. Please show some respect and dignity to such a trust and not malign it’s
honour with your cheap dollar values. Your abject stupidity has changed the equation not dollars.
It may disappoint you to know that Sri Sathya Sai Central Trust requirements are fulfilled by His
Love and Care till date and forever. They will never need to go around with begging bowls like
the subtle folks. Your degrading reference to the trust and speaking like a third person also
shows your ingratitude. Yours and mine education has been funded by the same Trust under Sai's
aegis which you seek to address as an enemy entity today.


Gautham: Do we even care to listen to people’s experiences before forming an opinion? Do you
think the One who built the Yajur Mandir for Bhagawan – Sri. Kishen Singhal needs more name
and fame? He used to sit right in front of Interview room whenever he comes from Canada.
Swami once choked while praising Kishen ji in a discourse in Kodai. Swami visited his house
and his office in Canada last year. There was a Satsang arranged there. The one who built Indoor
Stadium at Parthi – Dr. Ram Setty. He sacrificed his personal comfort just to ensure that we
Swami’s children enjoy the finest of sports facilities at Parthi. He spoke in Bhagawan’s presence
while inaugurating the Indoor Stadium in 2006! He is now settled in Muddenahalli especially
after he was resurrected by Bhagawan. Does he need more name and fame? Sumeet Tappoo,
Mandolin Rajesh, Sachin Tendulkar, Sunil Gavaskar, PM Modi – do they need more name and
fame? The funniest part is those commenting against are those who haven’t even been there to
experience HIM… We don’t even try to read the updates on Sai Vrinda website wherein we have
covered the experiences of many devotees with the Subtle phenomenon. We rather latch onto the
fairy tales coming from the Rumor Mills on Social Media, and call it the Truth! When time and
again, these so-called Truths were busted, they didn’t’ have the basic courtesy or decency to
retract their rumor and hate filled posts. Chiran: The celebrities, rich, famous and erstwhile few
close devotee seems to be the eternal trump card of the Muddenahalli following. They are here
and therefore this is the truth is the regular discourse. The list now hilariously claim the
honourable Prime Minister as their following which shows their level of desperation. You will
mention Sri Ram Shetty but will conveniently forget to mention that his close relative Sri
Narendranath Reddy (Chairman, SSIO) has condemned the Mudenahalli falsehood and
disrespects to the Mahasamadhi.
I follow Sachin Tendulkar and Sunil Gavaskar in Twitter. I am their fan as much for their fame
as their very human nature, same as you. Also, the other achievers you never failed to mention
are illustrious people. But you forget that just because they are idols in their profession does not
automatically make them spiritual giants and saints. But I guarantee you that a few minutes with
Sri Pedda Reddy (the bare footed elephant caretaker guy) will be more enlightenment in Sai
matters and Spirituality than all your list of celebrities. Please don’t mix up professional
achievements and spiritual sense. In fact, they are usually cross proposes in life.

Looks like you have only Sri Ram Shetty, Sri Kishen Shingal in the other list. You forgot to add
Mr Tigrett for once, I assure you there are hundreds of those in Sai's Life Time who have
sacrificed their life's earnings at The Lotus Feet for their emancipations. How you wish you had
them in your list too. Are all others not in your lists the unfortunate ones not to be called to
subtle in spite of their great sacrifices and donations? Or the few you can name nullify all others’
contributions? And what is the logic here that they are great contributors and therefore subtle is
true? No, those respected devotees are not seeking anything. You know the seekers of fame and
infamy in Muddenahalli. Such egos have dragged these nice people into the subtle pit.


Gautham: And what was the outcomes of such a hate-filled social media campaign? They have
successfully churned out an army of hate-filled individuals who abuse, mock and ridicule others’
beliefs and personal experiences! In other words, we have turned into Religious Fanatics,
wherein our definition of God is the ONLY definition that should exist. Rest all are farce and
false…Well, I would like to ask the Anti-Muddenahalli campaigners, show at least one proof
wherein Swami said “Go out, fight such people, expose them, stall their social service because
they use my name”

Chiran: There is no hate filled social media campaign. There are only facts based on Swami’s
life and teachings that completely negates subtle claims and phenomena. Please get this essential
fact right. The social media campaign or whatever you call is not attack but spontaneous
reactions of defense. The attack in the first place is by you the subtle folks. You have mocked,
dismantled and sold the very pristine life and teachings of our Sai. You attacked on our simple
beliefs in Sai and His words and His Teaching by propagating fraudulent subtle phenomena. You
went about like corporates with its well-oiled machinery to propagate Your theories everywhere.
We are only defending our simple beliefs and faith in Sai Words that your propagation tries to
belittle. Remember you and your subtle devotees going around the town that Puttaparthi is
kindergarten and Mudenahalli is higher learnings? That those who go to Puttaparthi are low level
and not beckoned for higher level? You sound unnecessarily victimized!


Gautham: Where were the Anti-Muddenahalli crusaders when Swami was being accused by the
BBC and other propagandists like Robert Priddy. Where were the Anti-Muddenahalli crusaders
when Bala Sai Baba, and many more other Babas were imitating Swami and running their own
Ashrams? There are thousands of videos maligning our Swami…even to this day on YouTube.
Were they not a jeopardy to Swami’s Legacy and His Institutions/Organizations?

Chiran: All those media campaign and people you mentioned happened in His Lifetime. We
were all pained. I remember many people wrote against those propagandas. People came to T.V
discussions too. I guess you were a small boy then and social media wasn’t much around those
days. And Sai was there to see our pain and His dignity amidst such defamations alone
dismantled all such propaganda. But the propaganda was opinions not a business in Sai name.
The whole world is not devoted to Sai and you cannot go around offering your opinions. One
cannot fight all battles in life, there is sense in letting go of some which you cannot change. But
the business of selling and mocking Sai immediately after His Mahasamadhi by Muddenahalli is
a battle that needs to be fought. Sorry to be your displeasure. -------------------------------------------

Gautham: Ask any of the elders, did Swami even for once, say “Go, Fight, Expose and Come
Back”? I bet you wouldn’t find a single person saying a Yes! That’s why Swami gave us an
alternative approach – He says, “Avoid Bad Company”. HE says, “treat such people as cheats”.
He says, “Even if you can’t oblige, speak obligingly”

Chiran: Your selective half quotes of Swami shows how far everything gets used to suit subtle
purpose. You did put ‘treat such people as cheats’ only. Here is the full quote for your reference:
“People say 'Baba appeared to me in a dream and commanded me to do this and that, to
you, to collect so much from you etc., etc. Do not give heed to such cheats; punish them in
the way they deserve. That is the advice I have to give you.” (SSS 5.20: March 29, 1965)

You conveniently forgot to include “punish them in the way they deserve. That is the advice I
have to give you.” The best reference to Sai's guidance is the numerous volumes of Satya Sai
Speaks. No need to ask anyone. Apart from saying speak obligingly He also said “punish them in
the way they deserve. That is the advice I have to give you.” You asked for one reference
unaware that there are many references. More references below: “Do not believe if any one
comes to you and declares, "Sathya Sai Baba came to me in my dream and commissioned
me to do publicity for him. Please help me as far as you can". I do not commission any one
for such work, either in dream or while he is awake. Such men are cheats; treat them as
such, without mercy.” (SSS 05.15: March 26, 1965)

“There is another set of people who trade on your faith. They advertise that I am 'talking'
through a medium or some other thing. Treat all such people and their agents or brokers
as you treat cheats; if you do not treat them so, then you are also accomplices in the
cheating process. “SSS 2.51: November 25, 1962
"Persons who claim to be possessed by Me have appeared recently; order them out,
wherever you meet them. Do not yield to such morons and fakes, and lower your own
dignity as devotees". (Sathyam Sivam Sundaram Volume 2, p.202)

I hope you get the tone of Sai when He says unequivocally, “punish them in the way they
deserve. That is the advice I have to give you, “Such men are cheats; treat them as such, without
mercy” as well as “ Treat all such people and their agents or brokers as you treat cheats; if you
do not treat them so, then you are also accomplices in the cheating process.”


Gautham: In fact, our Parthi is THE place, wherein people from all faiths, religions, castes,
creed, nationality were all treated equally irrespective of their personal belief system. Some
believed in Ramakrishna, Some in Vivekananda, Some in Mata Amritanandamayi, Some in
Asaram Bapu, Some in Nityananda….and so on... But when our Swami Loved them all equally,
what right do we have to distinguish people and mock their personal belief systems? Chiran:
Many devotees of other places came to Parthi, many Sai devotees also visit other places. But
these are places of their own creation, ideals and beliefs. They are not into twisting of Sai
philosophy business like subtle phenomena, the phenomena that mocks the beliefs and spirit of
Puttaparthi, which won’t be undealt with as your personal beliefs.


Gautham: Remember, the most profound teaching of HIS Life is carved for eternity on His
Mahasamadhi. It says Love All, Serve All! It doesn’t say “I do not use mediums/intermediaries”.
His message of Love All, Serve All weighs most in all cases and all circumstances. He never
attached any clauses there. Unless we are able to Love All, Serve All, we should ideally not
preach others regarding their Dharma as a Sai Devotee!

If we thought, we are fighting a ‘Dharmic War’ here by pointing out to entire world about
fellow-Sai devotees, then remember, Swami has warned us time and again in HIS discourses
"Sarva Jeeva Thiraskaaram Keshavam Prathi Gachchati" (Every criticism/condemnation that we
make reaches the Lord Himself). He says out of all the sins "Criticizing others is the worst sin!"
Watch the video below for HIS own So, I have only one suggestion – Let us choose our Battles
wisely! We are barking up the wrong tree. Organizational politics would remain life-long. But
what we need to focus right now are the actual evils in the society like Poverty, Poor Health,
Malnutrition, Illiteracy, etc. Let us fight those battles first before taking up a battle that is so not
worth it!

Chiran: Yes, the teachings carved for eternity at Mahasamadhi is 'Love all Serve all' and not ' I
do not have mediums / Intermediaries'. Does it mean He saying don't mind medium /
Intermediaries or follow medium /Intermediaries? What is your insinuation here? You qoute a
certain discourse and say now He is fulfilling the travel worldwide to suit your purpose. Just
because in Mahasamadhi it is Not written ' I will travel worldwide hereafter ' will Madhu and co.
forgo their first-class travel?

Agreed ‘Love All Serve All' is the foundation of Sai conduct. We do not hate Mudenahalli
followers nor the promoters. Our reaction is one of ‘hate the crime not the criminals’. We are
against the perceived crime of degrading Sai's fundamental values and Message. Also, we view
our opinion as service to others or those who may want to view Sai's dictum in case of doubts
created by Mudenahalli subtle phenomena. This is our small Seva. If anyone thinks that our
efforts in social media is an entertainment then they are highly mistaken. Whereas there exist
dozens of entertainments readily available in today’s world we have given up on few of those in
dedication of this very seva which indeed is pretty time consuming and painful as well. But the
Sai's message of ‘Love All Serve All' keeps us going. There has never been a day where I have
not looked at Swami's photo in my room and felt horrible about the things I write against my
own institution, mentor, friends and co devotees. There has also never been a day wherein the
smiling photo of Sai gave me a slightest of thought to stop. In fact, He seems to say I am not
doing enough. This is my truth.

If criticism of others reaches the Lord what about the mockery of Sai’s Action, His Life Time
Teachings and of course the disrespect to Mahasamadhi post Avatar hood?

From our end there is no criticism but valid questions raised on Mudenahalli subtle claims purely
based on the Words and cautions of Sai. Since no valid answers were ever given to genuine
queries the criticism and abuse started with opening of dozens of fake fb troll trying to silence us.
Your Facebook friends Mervyn Hughes, Venkatesh Babu and their ilk hide behind fake fb page
and have regularly abused Sai devotees as whore, bastard, Puttaparthi Parasites, racist slur ,
defamatory accusations and what not? I don’t remember seeing your great quotations anywhere
to remind Sai's conduct and dignity to your good friends whose Facebook pages you keep
visiting. They, your fake Facebook subtle trolls are responsible for today’s degrading dialogue in
social media. Please take your knowledge of Sanskrit verses to where it is most required. How
selective of you to view their action as Dharmic war and ours as Adharmic conduct?

We are not barking up the wrong tree but simply checking on the pest and rodents that try to eat
of the very roots of the magnificent Sai Tree that provides one and all with healing fruit,
rejuvenating cool shade and assuring canopy of hope and succor. Swami's words: “In this Kali
Yuga, also such imitations are cropping up just as Paundraka shaped himself into a
Vasudeva (Krishna). We have today even Sathya Sai Babas… they study photographs and
hold their hands up very nearly like I do and make themselves ridiculous by frantic
attempts to imitate Me. They forget that imitation is only human; but, Creation is Divine.

Those who attempt to become Sathya Sai Babas by this ludicrous process of imitation only
destroy whatever faith some people have placed in the Divine. They are POISONOUS
PESTS which injure the peace and harmony of society. They collect around themselves
insects of like nature. For only birds of the same feather can flock together. These
'pretenders' fall into ruin themselves and bring ruin on the society where they operate, as
the proverbial horde of monkeys that ruin themselves and bring ruin on the forest which
they inhabit.” (SSS 12.2: January 14, 1973)


Gautham: Bhagawan is not anyone's family property! He is universal consciousness who

decided to descend upon the earth to help man ascend! Swami is not anyone's patent or
copyright! Nobody is forcing the Subtle Phenomenon down our throat. Nobody is putting a gun
on our heads and saying Believe in it! So those who are getting fooled, let them continue getting
fooled. It’s their past Karma maybe. Swami Himself will help them or punish them as HE deems
fit. Let us learn to live with our differences just like we did in Hostel… Some of us liked Upma,
some of us liked Dosa, some of us liked Idli… But at the end of the day, our hunger was satiated.
Paths are many. Destination is One. We all pray to the same Swami. We look at the same photo
and cry out to Him. If Swami wants to convey that all these are frauds, He will do it Himself. We
do NOT need anyone else coming and telling us what to believe and what not to believe.
Because if we believe you, remember even you will be a Medium just like Madhu! I rest my

Chiran: Bhagawan is not anybody's personal property should be more taught to subtle folks at
Muddenahalli than satire at Puttaparthi people. It makes you guys look pretty silly when you
forget your own proud words and vanity. Remember BNM saying Swami is now in Muddenhalli
and that Puttaparthi should send His cars? He left Puttaparthi because He was not allowed to
fulfill Mission here? You are the ones that are copyrighting and Patenting Him. Now Madhu
even Signs for Him. You have claimed the exclusive right brother. Not us. For us He is Primarily
here due to His Sweet memories and the sand his bare feet touched and from here to there, in
Muddenhalli and everywhere in the Universe. Please don't put words in our mouths.

And the difference is created by you people and you thrive on that differences and how? You the
Muddenhalli folk started saying that the idly, vada, dosa and other south Indian culinary served
at Parthi is stale . More mdh folks seem to be surprised that we weren’t dying of food poisoning
or we have such low choices.

What does it meant when you claim you are following the Christ (Madhu) and Not the church
(Parthi). Why the following of life time teaching of Swamy and obeisance to His Samadhi
become lower learning and higher learning available only to few chosen ones at Muddenahalli?
The overbearing subtle followers have mocked us, look down upon us, felt pity for us and what
not! Why did you all have to belittle our idly, dosa and vada when it did very much satisfy our
hunger and more? You and Mdh followers utter impudence and pride has got us to defend our
place and our way of life. Now that we get on your nerves, your attempt to show the white flag,
won’t work brother, sorry!

Gautham: More than 10 free typical Sai schools established and running ... Providing free
education to 1000s of children. • More than 10 countries have setup Sai ashrams which houses
free hospital and free schools to be run on same principles of free educare and healthcare. • 2
super specialty hospitals set up treating 1000s of needy and poor from India, Pakistan, Nigeria,
and even other countries. For totally free of charge. BTW, the Raipur hospital is the best
pediatric cardiac hospital in the world with a success rate of 100% • Annapoorna breakfast seva
across several places in India and even abroad...serving nutritious meals to children going to
schools. • Several drinking water projects at several villages in India...already inaugurated and
running…words. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bPrUK1ltiY Again, there are many more
that I have not listed out here for want of time. All it requires is an open heart filled with love
and compassion for fellow human beings, to understand that only Bhagawan can do this...and no
other force on earth other than Bhagawan can care for humanity this way, and take up selfless
service at such a scale. If we still feel, it's the individuals due to their political influence, money
and power - made these things possible, then we are simply agreeing to the fact that they have
some super powers! For, what they have done is what nobody else (other than of course,
Bhagawan) has achieved…

Does it really matter to us if this trust or that trust does the work, as long as it benefits those poor
downtrodden people in the end? Have we become so naïve and pathetic that we now declare that
“All other seva organizations are frauds… Only we are the Genuine and Authentic ones?” How
does someone who is doing noble service is hurting our faith in Bhagawan? Can someone please
explain that to me? Have we become so sadistic that we don't care even if those 1000s of
children who study in these free Sai schools are left on streets... We don't care even if those
1000s of needy and poor families suffer and die without these hospitals... We don't care if those
children who are getting free nutritious breakfast daily before going to schools, are now left with
no breakfast meals… But all we care is someone is using Bhagawan's name for doing seva? All
we care is that they should painted as frauds, and all those who are associated with them are
frauds. All these people are hallucinating, and they cook up stories from thin air to support this
fraud? Chiran: Since every defense of Muddenhalli subtle form ends in their followers
inevitably and vociferously saying’ we are building schools and hospitals’ I wish to deal with the
Seva front thoroughly. You and Mudenahalli groups are not the only one aware of and focusing
on the evil of society such as poverty , illiteracy etc.

Here is Bala Sai Baba on the same note. “Sri Bala sai Baba’s task of uplifting humanity is
undertaken through the centers already established in several countries around the world. The
programs organized by Baba’s Trust can be classified into three wings: spiritual, educational and
service. Spiritual activities consist of singing Bhajans, meditation, and the promotion of
universal brotherhood and harmony amongst the people by the celebration of holy festivals of all
the faiths. Educational activities, on the other hand, include the imparting and spreading of
human values through classes designed for children of all ages. In Baba’s educational
institutions, secular and spiritual education is designed to develop a complete personality.
Balasai institutions are held as models for education, service and spiritual work in many
countries around the world. Last but not least, service activities include service to the sick, aged,
handicapped, and feeding the poor.

The Trust operates one clinic where 100 to 150 out-patients are treated daily, and where the poor
can obtain treatment, medicines and injections, all free of charge. The Trust has conducted many
health camps in Allopathic medicine, Naturopathy and Acupressure, and is a pioneer in
conducting eye camps. More than 55,700 cataract and I.O.L (Intra Ocular Lens) operations have
been performed. Ours is the first Charitable Trust to conducted I.O.L operations in rural areas.
The Trust is also making many efforts to promote both Polio and AIDS awareness campaigns.”

Here is Sanjay Baba on the same note: ‘Love all serve all, he says Baba leads by example as He
has adopted many villages on the outskirts of Kathmandu, with the programme aimed at
reducing malnutrition, poverty, upliftment of physical health through medical facilities and
providing spiritual livelihood through value education. Baba’s vision is to see the Ashram as a
socio-educational, spiritual, cultural culmination.’

Every one of them have a seva front to use as their vital defense. They indeed do Seva too. So,
should we accept them all as our Sathya Sai Baba of Puttaparthi?

What are the important guidance of Swami on Seva? Swami says: “The Organisations named
after Me are not to be used for publicizing My name or creating a new cult around My
worship. They must render sevā (selfless service) to the helpless, the sick, the distressed, the
illiterate and the needy. Their sevā should not be exhibitionistic. It must seek no reward,
not even gratitude or thanks from the recipients. Sevā is sādhanā (spiritual discipline) not a
pastime of the rich and well-placed. Each one must realise his or her own truth. That is the
purpose of all the teaching, all the curing, all the counseling, all the organising, all the
advising that I do.” (SSS 8.6: February 23, 1968)

It is not merely the service that counts but the how the course of service is dharmic.

“Sathya, Dharma, Shanthi, Prema and Ahimsa are in us like the paṇcha prāñas (five vital
airs). We think that the five prāñas (prāña, apāna, uḍāna, samāna and vyāna) are
protecting this body. But it is Truth, Right Conduct, Love, Peace and Non-violence which
give real happiness to the body. These are the real paṇcha prāñas. In no circumstances
should these five vital principles be departed from or given up. Render service to society
with these principles in your mind and with broad-minded dedication to the wellbeing of
all. That alone will please Sai.” (SSS 18.22: November 17, 1985)

Please note the above Swami’s vital guidance on seva . The seva must have basis on Sathya
and Dharma before anything. However much you may convince us on the seva activities am sure
you yourself won’t approve of the numerous seva front open by the likes of Sanjay Sai , Bala Sai
and other fakes. Why? Because the basic premise of such seva is Adharmic! It is also a front to
fool gullible people for other purpose by associating seva to fool and fleece.
Who is our ideal for Seva, who is Our Hero and guide? Swamy says:

"You can observe Me and My activities; note how I adhere to righteousness, moral order,
truth and universal compassion. That is what I desire you to learn from Me. Many of you
plead for a 'Message' from Me, to take to the Samithi (Sai centre) of which you are
members. Well, My life is My message. You will be adhering to My message if you so live
that your lives are evidence of the dispassionate quiet, the courage, the confidence, the
eagerness to serve those who are in distress, that My life inspires you with." - From
Bhagawan’s Discourse on the occasion of World Conference of Sri Sathya Sai Seva
Organisations, in Mumbai, on 17th May, 1968. Reference: "Sathya Sai Speaks", Vol.- VIII,
Chapter-19. Page: 96-97

The conduct of Mudenahalli service and basis does not match the essential guidance of Sai
which has basis on Sathya and Dharma. Neither they come within His guidance of funding for
seva. It has all the elements of what Swami disassociates seva with when He says, “The
Organizations named after Me are not to be used for publicizing My name or creating a
new cult around My worship.”

What does Swami Himself about people asking for money in His name?

There are some people who are doing business in the Name of Sai. They are cheating
others, pretending to be devotees of Sai. I do not approve of such behaviour. They are not
devotees at all. They are going to different parts of the country and also abroad to make
money in the name of Sai. It is a big crime. I do not ask for even a single paisa from others.
I never approve of such business. Whoever it may be, if somebody approaches you with
such a crass motive, tell him to get out at once. Do not allow business to enter the field of
spirituality. SSS 35.11: 22 July, 2002

Going around the world in first class travel with begging bowl, asking devotees to bear
expenses, soliciting funds by using subtle trickery and imitations, telling gullible devotee to
sell property for your golden Bentley, etc. are pathetic disregard of Sai's Spirit of Sathya
and Dharma in Seva.

What Mudenahalli had achieved and done in few years in their seva front is undoubtedly
phenomenal. I assure you, however, the sum total of Muddenhalli achievements still don't
match a few projects by Swami in His Life time. Neither the sum total of their current and
future project will match His entire life Seva projects. Important to note is that neither the
combined projects of Mudenahalli and Puttaparthi will match the Service activities of many
other service Trusts worldwide. So, what was all the pain of Avatarhood and Now subtle hood
when God's service activities (as projected to be the mission of Avatar by Subtle) at the most is
second best in the world? Surely, He took pains for much more than this? However, still if all
that has been done by Muddenahalli was achieved by the mentors without objectionable
ideals that is antithesis of Sai’s guidance, am sure they would have been legends in Sai
worlds and Society.

It is essential to understand the spirit and purpose of seva as extolled by Swami. Swami has
summarized seva as “ It is not what you do as seva, It is what seva does to you”. What He
essentially meant is the energy and vibe a superior dharmic selfless seva brings about in
individual and Society at large. Seva not only improves the situation of the beneficiary but
primarily helps the spiritual progress of the benefactor and improves the good energy of the
environment and the world we live in. Therefore, it is not merely the size and grandeur of seva
that makes it worthwhile. It has to fulfill the essential conduct and basis of seva to make its
larger purpose of goodness manifest. As much as we see the seva of Muddenahalli benefit others
we are also assured that since such seva don’t match the guidelines of Sai they will be merely
viewed as larger nefarious purpose to destroy and dismantle the spirit of Sai's world.

What Muddenahalli and the subtle phenomena tends to destroy is way beyond the benefits of
seva front they are so excited to detail. They merely are imitating Sai lifetime actions to rope in
more people to their fold . Obviously they have to show seva to keep themselves in the game of
subtle business . But beware , behind the veil of this seva they verily want to trample the vital
energies put in by the Avataric mission of Bhagawan Sri Sathya Sai Baba.

The kind of extraordinary split , extreme hatred amongst erstwhile Sai fraternity, the nervousness
and confusion that permeates Sai world due to the subtle phenomena and so on are only the
beginning of the mission of whoever that guides the Muddenahalli mentors .

Whoever thought I would counter my Sai brother this way? Whoever thought the tyagajeevis in
selfless friendship and servitude to Sai for over 5 decades would be enemies degrading one
another. Alike and Muddenahalli separation can never be the work of Sai , neither the animosity
amongst the tyagajeevis. Neither the separation of Mudenahalli from Sai's trust at Puttaparthi
would be His efforts. More so, families have been separated on the beliefs and nonbelief of the
subtle phenomena. Few of our erstwhile best alumni friends don't see eye to eyes these days.
Devotees are criticizing and hating one another based on their respective camps. It is a crime to
associate such vertical split, unease and animosity on Sai, who always spoke of unity, love and
respects amongst us.

As a powerful Poorna Avatar leaves the body, the various lower energies suppressed by His
sheer Physical presence raise up to gain their grounds. More often than not like a trojan
virus they spring from within and destroy your essential functions and basics. If the one
that runs Mudenahalli is not Sai, which am sure is not our Sai , then it’s intentions and
destructions will be way brutal than the measurable service they claim today.

More important is to note that the mission of Sai was not building of schools and hospitals.
Frankly then , as I said , it should be the greatest service organisation in terms of service
rendered in the world. But we aren’t . Neither we will be if you include current and future service
activity too. A Warren Buffet, Mark Zuckerberg and Bill Gates have committed more dollars in
service projects than we can dream of. Especially in this case their own hard earned money
without begging involved . If Sai Missions and Sai is to be judged by Seva then we may as well
say those above guys as incarnations of Brahma, Vishnu and Maheshwara.

Swami’s says: And even before your Bhakthi (devotion) ripens, you strive to lead others,
you collect donations and subscriptions and plan mandirs (temples) and sangams
(associations); all this is mere show, which brings spiritual loss, rather than spiritual gain.
When you start publicity, you descend to the level of those who compete in collecting
clientele, decrying others and extolling themselves. Where money is calculated and
garnered, and exhibited to demonstrate one's achievements, I will not be present. I come
only where sincerity, faith and surrender are valued." - Bhagawan Baba’s Discourse on
15th Oct 1964, Prasanthi Nilayam Reference: "Sathya Sai Speaks", Vol. - IV, Chapter - 35.
Page: 210

Remember the story Swami Says of a foolish Saint? As the saint was walking an elephant comes
the opposite way. The mahout on the elephant shouts continually to this saint to give away. The
saint thinks , ' if the elephant can trample me God would say so ' and continues to walk the path
only to be trampled by the elephant. In heaven he complains to God ' the elephant was going to
kill me , why didn't you caution ? ' God say ‘picchi wada what was the frantic shouting of
mahout to give way, I was shouting’.

Swami does not have to appear or give akashvani to say Muddenahalli subtle phenomena is
fraud. His words and caution are numerous on this agenda as unequivocal fraud. We are
shouting like a mahout for those who care to hear. I have no objection to those who have been
guided to keep silence on Muddenahalli issue.

But no one has the right to say we have not been prodded to speak by our inner voices too. I
always think how many animals, birds and humans must have seen Ravana taking Mother Sita
on pushpaka vimana up in the air. Some were uninterested . Still some might have thought this is
Divine drama and said to them,' who do I think I am, do I need to defend the embodiment of
Maha Shakthi herself in Mother Sita? Or am I so great that the consort of Lord of the Universe
need my assistance here?" Fair enough if such wisdom stopped them from taking on Ravana.

The point is I have not seen any verses in Ramayana by either Valmiki or Tuslisidas or others
that call Jatayu an idiot for thinking too much of it self. Did they say or did Rama say,' oh foolish
bird, why u had to get killed , you deserve this death for over assumptions!' ? No. In fact Rama
gives water to Jatayu who leaves prana in the Lord’s embrace. I believe Ramayana has more
verses extolling the birds and animals including monkeys and squirrels than human beings who
assisted the Lord in whatever capacity they could.

Sai does not need assistance as much as Lord Rama didn't. If I cannot be Hanuman or Jatayu , I
will pride myself having done squirrel 's job.
The purpose of all spiritual sadhana is purity and thereby self-realization. The purpose of
sadhana is not to be medium like Madhu. Here I don't put Swami's words because I do not know
which one to pick from thousands of discourses which He speaks on purpose of human life and
sadhana. In fact He drew all of us for that message of self-emancipations which is the mission of
Avatar. Not to build only schools and hospitals as you seem to put Avataric mission in a

Finally, hypothetically, say suppose Muddenhalli subtle phenomena is true. The questions to be
asked is does the subtle phenomena adhere to His righteous ways and His dictum ' My Life is
My Message '? Then where do we stand with all this relentless hammering of the phenomena?
How will we face the Lord, How will we answer Him? No worries there. Believe me for the first
time He will be facing us and our questions! What are the questions, nay grudges?

How come those who lived by the simplicity of your implicit message and teachings are the one
who have been blinded? How come those devotees, ladies, gents, couples who served you and
still in servitude of lifetime are the unfortunate ones who cannot be part of your further mission.
How come hundreds of students (single and some retired now) who left every aspiration and
engagements of life including families are the ones who are still impure enough to recognize
your subtle form? How come the hundreds of elderly ladies, some in servitude for 50 years, some
bed ridden, some still putting flowers around your doors are saying, ‘ayyo Muddenhalli ghor
papam (the Mudenahalli happening is absolute sin) ' made to do such blasphemy at the their
deathbed? The questions are unending ....