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1. Hoang, Kim for Chevron Gen Gen Gen Gen No reference is provided in the document regarding Editorial 2010.10.04
Team seismic base isolation as an acceptable option for Webinar
concrete tanks
2. Hoang, Kim for Chevron Gen Gen Gen Gen It is recommended using both customary and SI Editorial 2010.10.04
Team units in parenthesis – similar to ASCE 7-05, AISC 360- Webinar
05, IBC 2006, and other current standards and ACI publishes metric and inch-pound
codes. This code is likely to be referred to, specified, versions
and used overseas for various LNG projects, and
therefore it should be easily applicable to overseas
locations. Using both units will make it current, and
will help avoiding potential mistakes and confusion if
conversion is needed.
3. Krstulovic, Neven Gen Gen Gen Gen The Code needs to add marking provisions to Discuss in Pittsburgh to develop 2010.10.24
identify standards by which the inner and the outer appropriate wording. Pittsburgh
containers were designed (e.g., name plates similar 2010.10.04 Webinar response:
to what is defined in API 620). Agree
Pittsburgh response:
Copy plate text from API 620 as a
1 of 201 update 2011.03.24
Document: “Code Requirements for Design and Construction of Concrete Structures for the Containment of Refrigerated Liquefied Gases (ACI 376) and Commentary”
Public Discussion Period: March 1, 2010 – April 17, 2010
ACI to Chair Apr 20 Draf
Col 1 Col 2 Col 3 Col 4 Col 5 Col 6 Col 7 Col 8 Col 9
No. Public Commenter Pg # Line # Pg# Line # Public Comment Committee Response Editorial or
Name Approved by
quorum vote
starting point. If the inner tank is
concrete, special plate from ACI 376
is required. If the outer tank is
concrete, special plate from ACI 376
is required.
Garrison and Hoptay will propose
text that will be balloted.
4. Nahlawi, Khaled Gen Gen 6 41 Please, create an index for this standard. Response 4, 7: Current ACI policy 2010.10.04
does not produce indexes for its new Webinar
documents.
5. Matrix Service (Hoptay) 1 13 2 1 This document should include the keywords Editorial 2010.10.04
“containment (double, full, primary)” since this Webinar
document was created to fulfill a request by NFPA
59A to define the basis for concrete containment as
discussed in the Introduction.
6. Krstulovic, Neven 2 9 2 9 Add the following text to the Introduction section to Hoff will put this comment in the 2010.10.24
clarify background and to be consistent with issues introduction and the comment Pittsburgh
covered in Introduction sections of other ACI Code remains editorial.
documents:
22. Matrix Service (Vater) 12 7 12 7 “The location of all permanent materials shall be No Change. 2010.10.04
traceable to the source documents…” What is Webinar
intended to be the extent to which this requirement The extent to which traceability
is to be enforced? For example, does the reinforcing should be enforced is the
steel location need to be traceable to the certificate responsibility of the owner and
of conformance? Additional definition needs to be should be included in the project
provided in the code section to eliminate specifications not in the Code.
interpretation of traceability.
23. CB&I 12 8 12 8 Editorial: Change fci to f’ci. Agree. Editorial 2010.10.04
Webinar
24. ACI 376 (Hoptay) 14 10 & 11-14 all Editorial: All chapter references should be checked. Agree. 2010.10.04
21 JH[same Chapter 1 is the introduction and does not contain Webinar
] these variables. Response 21 and 24
Pittsburgh Comment:
Agree. For future action. Changes to
be provided by Hjoreset.
26. CB&I 16 7 16 1 The “process of testing” is precommissioning, not Present definition is sufficient and it 2010.10.24
commissioning. was decided that no new definition Pittsburgh
is needed. Unanimously agreed it
remains editorial and no change is
needed.
27. CB&I 16 12 16 6 Use “holding” instead of “keeping”? Agree 2010.10.04
Webinar
28. CB&I 17 8 17 1 Suggest a differentiation between “low Discuss in Pittsburgh where the new
temperature” and “cryogenic, with low temp being definition for "low temperature" is
down to -60°F to be added. Note that it isn't
needed if it doesn't occur in the
text.
Pittsburgh comment:
Unanimously proposed to leave
document as is and definition of
"low temperature" will be balloted
as new business.
29. CB&I 17 10 17 3 Differentiate “low temperature reinforcement” 2010.10.04 Webinar response: Same
as response 28.
Pittsburgh comment:
Unanimously proposed to leave
document as is and definition of
"low temperature" will be balloted
as new business.
30. CB&I 17 14 17 7 Warmup is first, then purge out of service Change definition to “the process of 2010.10.04
the purging and warm-up of the Webinar
tank so it can be taken out of
service.
31. Matrix Service 17 15 15 9 Suggest the following revision to the definition of Disagree. Leave as is. 2010.10.04
(Oberman) boil-off: “ boil-off – process of evaporation to Webinar
remove heat from the refrigerated liquid”
32. CB&I 17 16 17 9 Add “maximum” before the word “pressure”. Disagree. Leave as is. 2010.10.04
33. Matrix Service (Hoptay) 17 22 15 16 Does this definition only apply to LNG tankers, or Agree. Change LNG to RLG 2010.10.04
Reference to should the more generic term RLG be used? Webinar
boat/vessel impact??
34. ACI 376 (Hoptay) 18 6 15 23 Editorial: Calculated crack width is not defined in Has been corrected. 2010.10.04
JH[same section 7.1.1.8 should be section 8.1.1.8. Webinar
] Correct reference is 8.1.1.8
This is item 2 in April 1, 2009 email
to ACI.
39. Widianto 19 15-16 19 9-10 The definition needs to be modified because: See response 38. 2010.10.04
a. ACI 376 discusses liner on both inner and outer Webinar
tank
b. Liners can also possibly be installed on the outside
44. Matrix Service 22 3 19 19 The Load Combination Table 5.1 defines only normal Agree. 2010.12.16
(Pullinger) and abnormal loads in the table but the definition Webinar
for accidental loads includes some that are listed For future action:
under abnormal loads. Categorization of the loads
should be consistent.
45. CB&I 23 2 22 15-16 Change “outer tank” to “outer tank corner joint” Agree. Editorial. 2010.12.16
Webinar
Change as follows:
R4.1.1—Acceptable standard
material tests at ambient
temperatures are referenced in:
a) ACI 350 and ACI 318 for concrete
and conventional reinforcing steel;
b) ACI 349 for metallic liners
c) b) ASTM (or comparable) for
general materials.
68. Reiterman, Roy 40 20-21 40 20-21 It’s misleading to discuss fiber reinforced concrete in No action is required. 2010.12.16
the same vain as steel reinforced concrete – not the Webinar
same. My unbiased field experience does not show The Code only permits the use of
that fiber concrete improves the structural strength fibers but does not require that it be
of concrete. used.
69. Reiterman, Roy 40 22-23 40 22-23 Inaccurate to state fibers improve “certain” No action is required. 2010.12.16
properties. A flag should be considered so that Webinar
people don’t believe fibers can be substituted for 50-years of research and
steel reinforcing. documentation by ACI 544 support
this statement. The Code does
require that fibers replaced ordinary
reinforcing bars.
Response 80 and 81
80. Reiterman, Roy 43 1 43 1 Today there are ASTM standards for A615 reinforcing For future action. 2010.12.20
with higher grades that 60 ksi. They go over 80 ksi in Web Ballot
the latest standards. Also, ASTM A706 is higher Agree.
strength – to over 78 ksi yield strength. Some other
corrosion resistant reinforcing is over 100 ksi fy. Response 79
81. Reiterman, Roy 43 1 43 1 I am not aware of ACI or ASTM that has BS No action required. 2010.12.20
standards. Suggest the text include other steel Web Ballot
reinforcing standards, i.e. A775 & 934 are epoxy There is no history of coated
coated reinforcing standards. Also A767 is zinc reinforcing bars being used in these
coated (galvanized). A1035 low carbon, chromium type structures, hence their use is
reinforcing and A933 is vinyl coated. A955 stainless not allowed in this Code
reinforcing is noted in the text – a states reinforcing
with not less than 60 ksi fy but the A955-09 lists 40, See Response 80 for the high
60, and 75 ksi. Why not list high strength strength bars.
reinforcing?
82. Hoang, Kim for Chevron 43 2 43 2 It is recommended using consistency in writing units. Agree. ACI Editing will standardize 2010.10.24
Team For example, Page 43, line 2 has lb/in2, and line 14 this. Pittsburgh
has psi for “pounds per square inch”.
83. ACI 376 (Hoptay) 43 14 42 13 Editorial: Incorrect reference, Section 4.8.3.1(a) does Agree reference is incorrect. Correct 2010.10.24
JH[same not exist. Correct reference may be 4.7.2(a). reference is 4.7.2(a). See 2010.04.01 Pittsburgh
] response to item 4 in 2010.03.31 J.B.
email.
84. ACI 376 (Hoptay) 43 22 42 20 Editorial: Is section reference correct? This Response 78, 84 2010.10.24
JH[same reference is to this section not another section as See response 78 Pittsburgh
] the wording implies. Should reference be 4.7.1?
85. Reiterman, Roy 43 22 43 22 States that when limited stresses are exceeded, the No action required. 2010.12.16
non-prestressed reinforcing should not be Webinar
109. American Petroleum 48 16-17 48 16-17 4.13.2 This would permit a primary tank liner for For future action. 2010.12.20
Institute LNG to be made of carbon steel (metal classified as Web Ballot
Refrigerated Tank Task secondary component in 620-Q) no matter what Agree.
Group stresses may exist including high tension stresses.
That differs from industry practices that I am aware
of.
110. American Petroleum 48 20 48 20 4.13.4 “at least Group II ASTM A516” sounds too Agree. Editorial. 2010.12.20
Institute severe. Any material confirming the minimum Web Ballot
Refrigerated Tank Task design temperatures in Table R-4 of API620 should 4.13.4—Roof liner plates and bottom
Group be acceptable. vapor barrier plates shall be fine-
grain carbon steel conforming at
least to Group II ASTM A516, with
the minimum design temperatures in
accordance with the design
requirements in Table R-4 of API 620.
111. American Petroleum 49 2, 5 49 2, 5 4.13.5 & 4.13.6 API 620 upcoming revision will For future action. 2010.12.20
Institute change terminology to “product temperature Web Ballot
Refrigerated Tank Task materials” and “atmospheric temperature materials” Agree.
Group
Also see Responses 108 and 115.
112. American Petroleum 49 3 49 3 4.13.5 It is not clear what the “service For future action. 2010.12.20
Institute temperatures” are for these vapor barrier plates. Web Ballot
Refrigerated Tank Task For the liner of an outer container of a full Needs discussion
Group containment system, do the service temperatures
address only those existing during normal operation 4.13.5—Carbon steel vapor barrier
or also the colder temperatures existing during a plates attached to the concrete wall
spill case? shall be in conformance with
113. American Petroleum 49 4-5 49 4-5 4.13.6 This section tries to make its scope of For future action. 2010.12.20
Institute applicability “primary components as defined in Web Ballot
Refrigerated Tank Task Appendix Q of API 620.” But Appendix Q at the Agree.
Group edition/addendum referenced does not refer to
liners at all so it is unclear how to apply this. Also,
consider cases where cryogenic alloy materials (9Ni
or stainless) could be required for a liner by the rules
of ACI 376, in such a case you would not want the
welding procedures to follow App R.
114. ACI 376 (Hoptay) 49 7 48 3 Editorial: Reference to Section 11.4.5 is not required Agree. 2010.10.24
JH[same since it refers to grout and not post-tensioning Also review reference to 11.4.4 for Pittsburgh
] ducts. same reason.
115. American Petroleum 49 9 49 9 R4.14 Note that API 625 section 9 will cover For future action. 2010.12.20
Institute insulation in detail and will be appropriate for both Web Ballot
Refrigerated Tank Task steel and concrete containers. Suggest that in the Agree.
Group future this section of 376 can be dropped.
Also see Responses 108 and 111.
116. ACI 376 (Hoptay) 49 13 49 6?? Editorial: Previous approved versions this document Agree. Based on input from 2101.12.20
JH[48] 8 had a commentary for metal liners including part of 2010.10.04 webinar and Pittsburgh Web Ballot
page 10 8 lines 4-14. The commentary needs to meeting make following changes.
include this information.
Editorially move R4.13.1 to the
more appropriate Scope section.
R4.13.1—This Code does not
address the materials, design, or
construction of steel
primary or secondary tanks as this
information
is described in API 620.
Delete:
The design of the liner should
consider: a) Service conditions;
b) Potential thermal shock;
c) Extra gas pressures;
d) The need to bridge cracks in the
concrete;
e) Resistance to fire;
f) Resistance to blast and impact;
g) Resistance to earthquakes; h)
Residual weld stresses; and
i) Concrete strain due to shrinkage
and
prestressing. Liners, except for
sacrificial liners, must be ductile at
all
design temperatures.
R4.14—Insulation
The requirements of Section
7.2.5 7.3.5 of NFPA 59A are for LNG
tanks. Unless otherwise specified in
the project documents, the same
requirements can be applied to RLG
tanks.
120. Matrix Service (Hoptay) 52 9-13 51 2-6 This was commentary related to the definition of “T” Agree. Editorial. 2010.12.20
Is reference to page 51, when variable definition was placed at the beginning Web Ballot
lines 2-6?? of each chapter. These lines should be incorporated CHAPTER 5—DESIGN LOADS
in the commentary, R5.1.5 Thermal and moisture Temperature design loads
gradient loading. include loads developed as the
result of both transient and steady-
state thermal gradients due to
R5.1.5—Thermal and
moisture-gradient loading (Te,To)
Temperature design loads
include loads developed as the result
of both transient and steady-state
thermal gradients due to differential
time rate of cooling between the
concrete wall, steel embedments,
and wall liner. Attachment loads
developed in the wall at the thermal
corner protection location due to a
steady state thermal gradient
between the wall embedment and
secondary bottom are included in
this load category.
R5.1.12—Environmental loads
It should be noted that both API 620
and 650 require a minimum roof
live load of 20 b/f2. BS EN 14620,
Part 1 requires a minimum roof love
load of 25 lb/f2.
145. CB&I 60 10 60 14 5.1.14: Define internal explosion or impact (this No action required. 2010.12.20
seems like a non-credible design loading condition). Web Ballot
Define acceptance criteria and acceptable method(s) This is an optional requirement
of design. defined by the project specifications
which should also include
acceptance criteria and methods of
design.
Operations:
Load combination = DL + PS + (Liquid + vapor)
pressure + Normal thermal and moisture +
shrinkage + creep + LL + Settlement +
environmental (wind, snow, etc).
Abnormal:
DL + PS + (liquid + vapor) pressure + shrinkage +
creep + LL + Settlement + + Normal thermal
and moisture + seismic
Or + Spill thermal and moisture
Or + fire thermal and moisture
174. Legatos, Nicholas A. 67 12 67 12 Sec. R6.1, Line 12: “Applicable recommendations Accepted - see 174 for response. 2010.10.24
reported in ACI 372R and ACI 373R should be Pittsburgh
followed for…”
175. Krstulovic, Neven 67 13 67 13 R6.1 To clarify meaning, introduce the following NK #14 (Gap analysis #--) 2010.10.24
change: D.J., Pawski, Ballard, Howe, NKO, Pittsburgh
“…installation of prestressed concrete tanks.” Domas, Hoff, Garrison, Hoptay
supported (100%)
176. Legatos, Nicholas A. 67 13 67 13 Sec. R6.1, Line 13: “…installation of prestressed Accepted - see 175 for response. 2010.10.24
concrete tanks“ Pittsburgh
177. American Petroleum 67 17 67 17 The material used for inner tank in the installed For future action. 2010.12.20
Institute condition shall be demonstrated to be capable of Web Ballot
Refrigerated Tank Task being purged of natural gas during Agree with the statement but this
Group decommissioning. The natural gas remaining shall does not seem to be the
not be significant and shall not increase the appropriate place for insertion.
combustibility of material. In order to meet this
requirement, necessary inspection and testing Existing text reads as follows:
requirements shall be included in this code.
6.2.1—Minimum performance
criteria presented in Sections 6.2.2
through 6.2.16 shall be satisfied
when a primary concrete container is
used.
178. CB&I 67 22 67 22 6.2.2: Why is it that the primary container is not For future action. 2010.12.20
required to remain liquid tight for the SSE loading Web Ballot
6.3.8—Nonprestressed
reinforcement, including plate steel
used in composite action with
concrete, at service temperatures
down to 0 °F shall comply with
210. American Petroleum 73 1 73 2 6.3.11 This value is 0.6fci by ACI318. No change necessary. Editorial. 2010.12.16
Institute Webinar
Refrigerated Tank Task Commentary R6.3.11 clearly refers to
Group ACI 373R for further information, not
ACI 318. ACI 373R states:
212. Legatos, Nicholas A. 73 3 73 3 Sec. R6.3.11 - “See ACI 373R for further information Accepted - see 211 for response. 2010.10.24
Pittsburgh
213. CB&I 73 4 73 4 6.3.12: Change the wording from currently shown Disagree. Editorial. No change 2010.12.16
to: needed. Not persuasive. Webinar
“Under normal conditions, the maximum concrete
extreme fiber compression stresses at service loads Current requirement for “maximum
(after allowance for all prestress losses) shall not concrete compression” is self
exceed:” explanatory. It implies that no
compressive stress can EXCEED the
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Public Discussion Period: March 1, 2010 – April 17, 2010
ACI to Chair Apr 20 Draf
Col 1 Col 2 Col 3 Col 4 Col 5 Col 6 Col 7 Col 8 Col 9
No. Public Commenter Pg # Line # Pg# Line # Public Comment Committee Response Editorial or
Name Approved by
quorum vote
limit anywhere in the section.
Hence, it does NOT refer to an
AVERAGE stress value, but the
MAXIMUM value.
6.3.14—Under normal
Also: design loading excluding wind,
b) Define a method for crack width calculations or calculated crack widths within the
provide a cross reference to the other Sections of wall and the base slab shall not
“4.7.2—Deformed reinforcement at
“4.7.2—Deformed reinforcement at
service temperatures below 0 °F”
231. CB&I 77-79 ALL 77 ALL 6.6.5.1-6.6.5.3: These sections should provide to the No action required. Editorial. 2010.12.16
-79 designer clear instructions what to use instead of a Webinar
wish list of what needs to be considered. Current text is sufficiently generic
1) To support normal construction schedule and clear that no additional tables
256. CB&I 88 16-17 88 16-17 It is industry practice to use load factor of 1.0 for Considered and discussed at length. 2010.12.16
dead loads under SSE and other emergency No action at this time. Webinar
conditions. ACI 350 does not apply since SSE seismic
and other emergency events are not addressed. A For future action:
load factor of 1.0 should be used for dead load when Revisit this issue before the next
applied to emergency conditions. Code edition
257. Matrix Service (Hoptay) 88 18 83 2-3 How is it conservative to obtain the intrinsic Discussed. No action necessary. 2010.12.16
permeability from dried samples if the measured Webinar
permeability is less and the permeability limit is not As moisture in concrete freezes,
to be exceeded? pores are closed and permeability
decreases. This is the reason why
concrete permeability at cryogenic
temperatures should be lower than
at room temperatures (i.e., concrete
82 of 201 update 2011.03.24
Document: “Code Requirements for Design and Construction of Concrete Structures for the Containment of Refrigerated Liquefied Gases (ACI 376) and Commentary”
Public Discussion Period: March 1, 2010 – April 17, 2010
ACI to Chair Apr 20 Draf
Col 1 Col 2 Col 3 Col 4 Col 5 Col 6 Col 7 Col 8 Col 9
No. Public Commenter Pg # Line # Pg# Line # Public Comment Committee Response Editorial or
Name Approved by
quorum vote
IMpermeability INCREASES with
cryogenic temperatures). Therefore,
if moisture content is not known,
measuring permeability of dry
samples will provide conservative
values.
258. CB&I 89 14-22 89 14-22 7.2.2.2 and R7.2.2.2: This information should be in Editorial: Not persuasive. No action 2010.12.16
the analysis section, not the load factor section since required. Webinar
these requirements are met using proper analysis
models, not varying load factors. This section deals with load factors
presented in Table 7.2. The table
defines load factors for various time
depended effects, such as creep and
shrinkage, with load factors varying
between 1.0 and 1.2. Therefore,
time depended effects and related
issues are covered in §7.2.2.2 and
§R7.2.2.2.
259. CB&I 91 20 91 20 Para 7.2.8: change section reference “5.10” to Response 259, 292. 2010.10.24
“5.1.10”. Editorial. Agreed. Change 5.10 to Pittsburgh
5.1.10 at ALL of the following
locations:
Page 91, line 20,
Page 98, line 1,
Page 98, line 6,
R7.2.10.2 —Other
Other environmental load effects
(e.g., solar radiation, snow, rain,
etc.), may apply to either the
primary or secondary container,
depending on which is constructed
first or constructed in parallel.
Shielding of the primary (inner) by
the secondary (outer) container may
be considered.
264. Matrix Service (Hoptay) 93 5 87 2 This code section permits higher stress levels if the Considered and discussed at length. 2010.12.16
material always exhibits ductile behavior. 1.) What No action at this time. Webinar
minimum requirements are required to establish
that the material is ductile? 2.) Allowable stresses Probably this should be viewed as a
are based on the strength of the material not its special case that needs to be
ductile behavior. Why does the code allow higher justified to the Owner. Since both (1)
stresses in this case? we do not want to be prescriptive
and (2) we want to allow for future
developments, it cannot be more
283. CB&I 101 1 101 1 Table 7.2 Considered and discussed at length. 2010.12.16
Load Factors for OBE Seismic No action at this time. Webinar
OBE load factors should be 1.0
For future action:
Revisit this issue before the next
Code edition.
284. CB&I 101 1 101 1 Additional column could be added to make clear the Editorial. No action at this time. 2010.12.16
requirements of R7.2.1 and R.7.2.3 (when to use DL Webinar
factor of 1.2 and when to use 1.4) for these R7.2.1 and R7.2.3 provide
fundamental design cases. explanation on which load factor to
use.
Also
3.1—Referenced standards and
reports
The standards listed below are cited
in the Code.
Existing reference.
European Standards
Those portions of EN 14620-3:2006
“Design and Manufacture of Site
Built, Vertical, Cylindrical, Flat-
Bottomed Steel Tanks for the Storage
of Refrigerated, Liquefied Gases with
Operation Temperatures between 0
oC and –165 oC—Part 3: Concrete
Components” dealing with the
protection of prestressing steel, the
notch sensitivity ratio of steels, and
Also
3.1—Referenced standards and
reports
The standards listed below are cited
in the Code.
Existing reference.
European Standards
Those portions of EN 14620-3:2006
“Design and Manufacture of Site
Built, Vertical, Cylindrical, Flat-
Bottomed Steel Tanks for the Storage
of Refrigerated, Liquefied Gases with
Operation Temperatures between 0
oC and –165 oC—Part 3: Concrete
Components” dealing with the
Damping:
For seismically isolated tanks (base isolated
foundation) utilizing friction pendulum type
bearings, total system damping shall not exceed;
OBE - 25%, SSE - 20% (Total system damping
includes material structural damping and SSI
damping. The maximum system damping is in
addition to the effective damping due to the longer
structural period due to lateral deflection of the
isolator bearings.)
Explanation:
This damping limitation requirement specified in
8.1.3.4.6 is applicable to tanks on flexible
foundations, eg., Soil Structure Interaction damping,
but not to tanks supported on seismic isolator
389. CB&I 123 8-9 123 8-9 8.4.15: Editorial: Pressure load applied to the wall 2011.03.18
below the TCP embedment shall always be included Webinar
regardless of a spill level. See Response 416
Suggest the following re-wording:
“Pressure load applied to the wall below the TCP
embedment due to spilled liquid and, if applicable,
internal pressure shall be included in the design of
the wall for spill.”
390. Matrix Service 123 12 Recommend that the vertical mode of vibration For future action. 2010.12.20
(Pullinger) (breathing) also be discussed in the section. Web Ballot
391. Matrix Service (Hoptay) 123 15 114 10 Recommended revision: “The convective (sloshing) Agree. Editorial. 2010.12.20
mode that exhibits a very long period of vibration is Web Ballot
considered as decoupled mode from the finite R8.1.3.4.4—Convective (fluid)
element tank-foundation model impulsive mode. damping is associated with sloshing
response of the liquid.
Only the impulsive mode is included
in the evaluation of the system
damping for a tank-fluid foundation
system. The convective (sloshing)
mode that exhibits a very long
period of vibration is considered as
decoupled mode from the finite
element tank-foundation impulsive
mode. model.
392. CB&I 124 12 124 12 8.5.2.b): Change wording: “missile” to “projectile” Agree. Editorial. 2010.12.20
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8.5.2—The minimum thickness of
the dome roof shall be that required
406. ACI 376 (Hoptay) 130 10 119 15 Editorial: Delete “Criteria” and replace with Agree. Editorial. 2010.12.20
JH[same “Requirements” that is the actual title for the Web Ballot
] chapter. 8.4.5—The wall design shall comply
with both the service and the
strength requirements of the
Minimum Performance Criteria
Requirements defined in Chapter 6
of this Code and as required in 8.4.6
through 8.4.17.
407. Matrix Service (Hoptay) 130 15 119 18 Consideration was to evaluate having the capacity to Agree. Editorial. 2010.12.20
place more strands within a duct by having fewer Web Ballot
strands in the anchor than the anchor has capacity. R8.4.6—Consideration should be
Suggest revising the wording: “Consideration should given to including space within the
Change in R8.4.12
The following empirical equation
may be used to evaluate the
penetration resistance of concrete to
a hard projectile.
where
C = 4.22 x 10-13
Dp = projectile diameter
413. ACI 376 (Hoptay) 134 2 122 18 Editorial: “critical piping and or equipment.” Corrected in 4-20 download 2010.10.24
JH[same Pittsburgh
]
414. ACI 376 (Hoptay) 134 14 123 5 Editorial: should be Section 6.3.4.
JH[same
]
415. Hoang, Kim for Chevron 134 19 134 19 “a durable permanent cover”: It is recommended For future action. 2010.12.20
Team providing definition and some commentary for what Web Ballot
is considered a durable permanent cover.
416. Matrix Service 134 19 123 8 Does below the liner means below the embedment Agree. Editorial 2010.12.20
Revision as follows:
R9.8.6—Coatings
Coatings can be used as barriers to
vapor and liquid penetration into the
concrete. A primary function is the
need to bridge cracks in the
concrete.
426. Hoang, Kim for Chevron 137 14-16 137 14-16 It is recommended including direction to how For future action. 2010.12.20
Team exactly should the design of the liners consider Web Ballot
resistance to abnormal conditions such as fire, blast
and impact, and earthquakes. Also, It is
recommended including acceptance criteria. For
example, resistance to fire is typically provided by
concrete, and the acceptable condition for the liner
may be specifying a certain maximum temperature
not to be exceeded after specified fire duration.
427. American Petroleum 137 18 137 18 R9.6.2 (i) - The meaning of the term “sacrificial liner” For future action. 2010.12.20
Institute should not be left for readers to figure out. The Web Ballot
Refrigerated Tank Task meaning should be spelled out. See response 428
Group
428. CB&I 137 18 137 18 R9.6.2.i: Create new subclause, “j” to separate the See response 429 2011.02.18
loading considerations from the material selection Webinar
considerations?
430. American Petroleum 137 20-21 137 20-21 Don’t understand “A membrane is an impervious No action required. 2010.12.20
Institute barrier separated from the concrete by insulation.” Web Ballot
Refrigerated Tank Task Are you trying to cover membrane tanks, where this This is a matter semantics as
Group would apply? These were excluded from the scope. membrane is a term with multiple
meanings. This Code explicitly
excludes membrane tanks.
431. CB&I 138 10-17 138 10-17 Suggest including anchorage of the steel liner Agree. Editorial 2010.12.20
embedments in the list of metal components Web Ballot
covered by this section, and adding what the R9.7.1—General
embedment requirements are for sacrificial liners. Metal components covered by this
section are the structural anchorage
for pipe supports, stairs, ladders,
steel liner embedments and other
items supported directly by concrete
foundations, walls, or roofs of
primary or secondary containments.
Components directly in contact with
product, product vapor, and the
exterior environment are included.
Also add to
R10.4.2—Piles
Piles can include both driven piles
and cast-in-place concrete piles.
10.7.3—Inclinometers
Inclinometers shall be installed in the
foundation for site classes other than
Site Class A (hard rock) or Site Class B
(firm rock) as defined in ASCE/SEI 7
(2005) ASCE 7-05.
542. CB&I 180 3 180 3 Verify statement, “These tolerances are typically in For future action. 2010.12.20
line with established LNG/LPG practice.” What is the Web Ballot
value of this statement? Consider removing.
543. CB&I 181 13 181 13 Maximum tank wall radius tolerance at top of wall is For future action. 2010.12.20
559. Widianto 190 19-23 172 11-15 Do we need to specify the required minimum For future action. 2010.12.20
holding time during hydrotest for settlement Web Ballot
readings? For example, we need to keep at least 24
hours at full hydrotest level. Settlement readings
should be taken when the water reaches the full
hydrotest level and after 24 hour holding period.
This is probably more important in clay-type soil
where the settlement can occur after a longer
period than that in sandy soil.
560. Widianto 190 19-20 172 11-12 Section R10.7.1 Settlement measurement should Agree. Editorial 2010.12.20
also be taken prior to hydrotesting to obtain Web Ballot
baseline data R10.7.1—Baseline elevations of the
tank foundation should be
established prior to hydrotesting.
572. CB&I 195 13 195 13 Editorial: The word “determining” is misspelled. Agree – change made. 2010.10.24
Pittsburgh
573. CB&I 195 15 195 15 Editorial: This sentence should read, “...be Agree – change made. 2010.10.24
considered early in the design.” Pittsburgh
574. Matrix Service (Hoptay) 196 2 176 12 The precise location of each load of concrete in the Withdrawn 2011.03.18
structure is not practical and should not be required. Webinar
575. Matrix Service (Hoptay) 196 5 176 14 The location of each lot of reinforcing within the Withdrawn 2011.03.18
structure is also not practical and should not be Webinar
required.
576. Matrix Service (Hoptay) 196 8 176 17 What type of mill certificate is required? Mill test No action required. 2010.12.20
reports or certificates of conformance? Web Ballot
The mill certificate generally shows
the composition of the melt.
Response 577-583.
581. Kuebitz, Karl 197 12 197 12 Replace, “the” with “field die-drawn”. For future action. 2010.12.20
Web Ballot
Cannot tell where this replacement
goes as there are several “the”.
Response 577-583.
582. Kuebitz, Karl 197 14 197 14 After “reinforcement,” add “without deflecting the Agree. Editorial 2010.12.20
wire or strand.” Web Ballot
See Response 577.
583. Kuebitz, Karl 197 14 197 14 Add, “Continuous electronic reading should be made Agree. Editorial 2010.12.20
along the full length of the wire or strand. Web Ballot
Continuous electronic force readings are usually See Response 577.
performed in conjunction with mechanical
prestressing methods.”
584. CB&I 199 10 199 10 Editorial: The word “to” is repeated twice. Agree – change made. 2010.10.24
Pittsburgh
585. ACI 376 (Hoptay) 199 15 179 8 Editorial: Should be 1.2. Agree; correct reference in line 8 is 2010.10.24
JH[same 1.2 and not 1.3. Pittsburgh
] See item 19 in April 1, 2009 email to
ACI.
586. Matrix Service 200 17 180 4 How many places and at what location are these For future action. 2010.12.20
(McGahey) tolerances to be checked in the base slab? Web Ballot
587. Matrix Service 202 16 182 5 Definition of the minimum number of intermediate For future action. 2010.12.20
(McGahey) heights to be checked should be established. Web Ballot
Recommend a minimum of approximately every 10
ft of height.
588. American Petroleum 203 8 203 8 R12.1 Revise – commissioning in all the other For future action. 2010.12.20
Institute industry standards refers to purging, cooldown and Web Ballot
Refrigerated Tank Task product introduction. Hydrostatic and pneumatic
Group testing are just that – tests. NFPA 59A also lists them
under tests.
589. American Petroleum 205 14 205 14 12.2.3.1(e) “or protected against corrosion” is quite No action required. 2010.12.20
Institute vague. Web Ballot
Refrigerated Tank Task Corrosion is well understood and as
Group is the protection of metal surfaces
from corrosion by coatings or other
means.
590. American Petroleum 205 21-22 205 21-22 12.2.4.1 I believe that the ACI 376 code should For future action. 2010.12.20
Institute mandate the minimum hydrotest levels that are Web Ballot
609. CB&I 216 14 216 14 R12.4.5 Dew point temps For future action. 2010.12.20
API 625 provides dew points. Suggest that API625 Web Ballot
be referenced as a better source than a paper.
610. CB&I 217 1 217 1 12.4.8 This paragraph discussed the use of “liquid For future action. 2010.12.20
nitrogen as a prelude to cool-down.” Web Ballot
Use of liquid nitrogen for cool-down is not the Include with response 684.
standard method of cool-down and may damage a
tank designed for LPG or other similar gasses.
There is no paragraph covering warm product gas
purge following the nitrogen purge and prior to
introduction of product liquid which is the norm.
Introduction of product liquid directly into a pure
nitrogen environment can cause sub-cooling below
the design temperature due to the lack of a product
partial pressure.
611. American Petroleum 217, 1 217 1 Replace LNG with RLG – ACI 376 is for many Agree. Editorial 2010.12.20
Institute 228 , 228 products. Web Ballot
614. ACI 376 (Hoptay) 217 22 194 11 Editorial: c) should be a separate section as in the Agree. Editorial. 2010.12.16
JH[same committee version. Webinar
] Change as follows:
619. Blanchard, J. for NFPA 221 13 221 13 R.12.5.9 A cool-down rate is provided but it is For future action. 2010.12.20
59A Task Group placed in the commentary. Cool-down can cause Web Ballot
undetectable cracking in the concrete that goes See response 684 for rewrite for RLG.
beyond the assumed design basis. Limits should be
placed in the provisions paragraph.
620. CB&I 223 4 223 4 12.6.1 For future action. 2010.12.20
Why is transitional and rotational movement Web Ballot
monitoring needed? Response 620, 621.
621. CB&I 223 4 223 4 12.6.1 – requires provision of equipment to measure For future action. 2010.12.20
movement of inner tank shell (including rotational Web Ballot
movement) during and after cooldown. This has not Response 620, 621.
been a required practice for metal tanks previously
and is considered unnecessary.
622. CB&I 223 7 223 7 12.6.2 – Differential settlement needs to be Agree. Editorial. 2010.12.16
monitored for exceedance of the design settlement Webinar
basis. The design basis does not need to include Change as follows:
monitoring.
Recommend revised wording as follows: “The tilt 12.6.1—The tank design basis shall
and differential settlement of the LNG tank and provide equipment and
external piping shall be monitored to confirm that instrumentation for the
settlement is within allowable limits.” measurement and recording of
translational and rotational
movement of the inner vessel for use
Change as follows:
666. Matrix Service (Hoptay) 242 10 216 8, 10 For RLG tanks the annular space may not be filled Agree that this should be changed to 2010.10.24
12.5.10—Maximum pressure
differential between the annulus and
inner tank shall be no more than 13
mbar 5.0 inches of water (12.5
Mbar) with the inner tank always at
a higher pressure.
686. Matrix Service 249 3-22 222 1-22 Why are requirements related to LNG and not RLG? Agree. Editorial 2010.12.20
(Oberman) Revise for RLG. Web Ballot
Response 683, 684, and 688.
See response 684.
687. Conlon, John F. 249 3-7 249 3-7 Appendix B Scope—the status and relevance of ACI Agree. Editorial 2010.12.20
B.3.3.2—Live loads
The functional live loads shall include
the following:
a) Personnel;
b) Removable modules or topside
facilities during the operation phase;
c) Uniformly distributed loads or
concentrate loads in storage area;
d) Liquid content and pressure in
storage compartments (for
ballasting), ordinary boat impact,
fendering, and vessel mooring to the
structure; and
e) sloshing loads in both floating
and fixed structures; and
e) f) Loads occurring during
construction, inshore and offshore
towing, and offshore installation.
704. Conlon, John F. 257 7 257 13 e) mooring loads for vessels moored to the Agree. Editorial 2010.12.20
structure; and for a floating RLG structure, Web Ballot
temporary and permanent anchor line loads See response to 703.
maintaining the structure onsite.
705. Conlon, John F. 258 2 258 2 Suggest in item (d) mention be made of liquid Agree. Editorial 2010.12.20
sloshing in floating structure. Web Ballot
See response to 703.
706. Conlon, John F. 259 8-11 259 8-11 The application of B.3.4.2 is unclear. Presumably the No action required. 2010.12.20
mentioned probability values are ‘per annum’. Web Ballot
The probability values are “always”
per annum unless otherwise stated.
707. Conlon, John F. 262 2 262 2 Delete wording after ‘…containment.’ No action required. 2010.12.20
Web Ballot
This a correct statement..
714. Hoang, Kim for Chevron 264 1 264 1 Comment added in Chevron response Agree 2010.10.04
new Team 263 4 "2E_Chevron verify_2010 04 20 -376 Public Webinar
Comments Compiled to Chair - Update 5-
14-10.doc" received May 24, 2010
Section B.5.1.3 Global seismic analysis of
the GBS is very complicated. Dynamic
analysis using response spectrum method
should not be allowed except for
preliminary calculations. The detailed
global analysis must include soil-structure
interaction effects. GBS base slab and wall
flexibility should be modeled.
715. Hoang, Kim for Chevron 265 4 265 4 Comment added in Chevron response Editorial. For future action. 2010.10.24
new Team "2E_Chevron verify_2010 04 20 -376 Public Pittsburgh
Comments Compiled to Chair - Update 5-
14-10.doc" received May 24, 2010
Section B.5.1.8—“If time-history analysis is
used, at least three sets of ground motion
time histories shall be applied” Which set
of results shall be used? Maximum or
716. Pawski, R. 168 15 Change reference 4.1.5.9 to 6.6.5.9 at end of line 15. Agree 2010.10.04
new J.B. April 1, 2010 email This is not addressed elsewhere; see email item 18 Webinar
response. ADD GH CHANGES
717. Pawski, R. 121 22 Delete superscript at end of sentence: "… (refer to Agree 2010.10.04
new ACI 349, Appendix C, Eq. (C.7)6.14)." Webinar
718. Pawski, R. 222 22 Change reference R10.5.9 to R12.5.9. Agree 2010.10.04
new J.B. April 1, 2010 email This is not addressed elsewhere; see email item 21 Webinar
response.
719. Pawski, R. 277 18 Change reference R3.1.5.10 to R6.6.5.10. Agree 2010.10.04
new J.B. April 1, 2010 email This is not addressed elsewhere; see email item 23 Webinar
response.
720. Pawski, R. 283 21 Change reference C.7.3 and C.7.4 to C.3.3 and C.3.4. Agree 2010.10.04
new J.B. April 1, 2010 email This is not addressed elsewhere; see email item 24 Webinar
response.
721. Pawski, R. 108 1-8 The 8.1.1.8 on page 59108 is missing, and it appears Agree 2010.10.04
new J.B. April 1, 2010 email two paragraphs are reversed; see TAC review PDF Webinar
page 129 line 17 to page 130 line 3, and Response
411 that clarifies R6.1.1.7 should be 6.1.1.8 (now
8.1.1.8). To fix the two paragraphs on Page 59108
after 8.1.1.7 should read as follows:
quote
8.1.1.8— The cracking analysis shall be based on a
Finite Element Method that (1) uses recognized or
codified constitutive models for the stress strain
behavior of concrete, and (2) incorporates tension-
stiffening effects. When calculating calculated
crack widths the tension stiffening term shall not
be deducted from the calculation where tension
stiffening is explicitly included in the analysis.
Additionally the calculated crack widths shall be
calculated as characteristic and not mean
calculated crack widths.
1) As indicated by my specific comments above, my main interest is with offshore structures {bottom founded (GBS) and moored-floating}; while the work expended to create
Appendix B is commendable, I believe the design of a GBS OFFSHORE structure should follow ACI 357R, and not this standard. More specifically this means: the specification of load
categories, the defining recurrence periods for environmentally induced loads, the averaging period for wind loads, and Load Combinations and the Load Factors should be as specified
in Subsection 4.4 of ACI 357R. The use of this draft standard for these considerations will not be correct. For example, typically the dominant design environmentally induced load for
an offshore structure are hydrodynamic loads from wave and current (based on 100 year return period per Appendix B and ACI 357R). The hydrodynamic loads will be ‘Environmental
Loads: other’ in the Load Factor tables in Section 7 of the ACI 376 draft; thus a Load Factor of 1.6/ 0.5 is specified. Per ACI 357R, the Load Factor for wave induced storm loading is 1.3.
As can be seen, this will make a large difference in design requirements for the structure and its foundation or moorings.
1) Perhaps brief mention can be made about expected functions, subsystems and other considerations that will affect the design. For example: Is it expected that personnel will be
quartered on the offshore structure? Can transport / supply and maintenance vessels be expected to berth and moor to the platform? Will there be helicopter facilities? What needs
to be said about loading and unloading arrangements from the offshore terminal? Are there structural design implications concerning equipment to gasify/ re-gasify?
2) In the draft, reference is made to other ACI documents. In some cases the subject being referred to is of fundamental importance such as Load Case and Load Factors. To the
greatest extent possible, fundamentally important topics should be included in the standard itself. Personally, I do have the latest version of ACI 350, which appears to be necessary to
apply 376.
2) The design of a floating structure may have other ramifications that are not addressed by either draft ACI 376 or ACI 357R. In general, the type of structure for floating offshore LNG
storage will probably be more ‘ship-like’ and not cylindrical. More specifically the design criteria will also need to be more ship-like, where there will be the need to give consideration
to global ( ‘hull-girder’ strength) and local strength considerations. In maritime countries, the local authorities will have experience with LNG tank vessels, and it might be expected
that numerous local and international technical regulations dealing with such vessels will be applied to offshore storage structures. This has already happened with offshore oil storage
where Marine Pollution and other IMO Regulations are imposed by regulatory bodies (e.g. Coast Guards) on offshore hydrocarbon storage structures, even though the structure is not
a trading vessel.
3) In Appendix B, will any mention be made of: corrosion protection criteria; sea floor scour and scour protection; and structural inspections?
3) Mention is made in Appendix B (B.9) of structural removal. It may be appropriate to require in design –a study to assess the feasibility of platform removal and the need to build into
the structure special features that will facilitate removal; (such as under foundation slab water jet outlets to break soil adhesion). However, is structural removal typically considered in
the scope of ACI design and construction standards? Cognizant regulatory bodies will most likely have project specific requirements about structural siting, navigation hazards,
platform removal, etc. So, for such considerations it may be more appropriate just to mention that, “the rules and regulations of all cognizant regulatory bodies are to be identified and
considered in the design, construction, inspection, maintenance and repair of the platform.”
Blanchard, J. for NFPA 59A Task Group: As chairman (speaking for myself – not the NFPA 59A committee) of the NFPA 59A task group assigned to review this ACI document for general
content, and duplication & conflict with the NFPA 59A document, I can state that the ACI376 document provides much needed definition / regulation of concrete liquefied gas storage
structures. The ACI 376 document should allow NFPA 59A to reference the document to add the same depth of regulation as provided for steel tanks. While there are many minor
refinements which can be addressed in the revision process for the standard, the content and depth of coverage provide what the committee was looking for from ACI.
Blanchard, J. for NFPA 59A Task Group: Provide more provisions to limit design and construction variation. There is too much definition in the commentary section. If it is important,
set minimum requirements in the provision paragraphs and then place background and preferred direction in the commentary.
I would like to thank ACI for completing this effort in time to incorporate it into NFPA 59A during the current revision cycle.
John F. Conlon: