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4pole MCCB for 4 wires connections, the one additional 4th pole for neutral wire connection so that between
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In 4-Pole MCCBs the neutral pole is also having protective release as in the phase poles.
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TPN means a 4 Pole device with 4th Pole as Neutral. In TPN opening & closing will open & close the Neutral. Follow This Blog by Email
For TPN, protection applies to the current flows through only 3 poles (Three Phase) only; there is no protection for
the current flow through the neutral pole. Neutral is just an isolating pole.
TP MCB is used in 3phase 4wire system. It is denoted as TP+N which will mean a three pole device with external
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For the 4 pole breakers, protection applies to current flow through all poles. However when breaker trips or
manually opened, all poles are disconnected.
Same type of difference also applies for SPN and DP.
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Where to Use TP, TPN and 4P in Distribution panel:
For any Distribution board, the protection system (MCB) must be used in the incomer. For a three phase BUY ELECTRICAL NOTES IN PDF
distribution panel either TP or TPN or 4P can be used as the incoming protection.
TP MCB: It is most commonly used type in all ordinary three phase supply.
TPN MCB: It is generally used where there are dual sources of incomer to the panel (utility source and emergency
generator source).
4P MCB: It is used where is the possibility of high neutral current (due to unbalance loads and /or 3rd and multiple
of 3rd harmonics current etc) and Neutral / Earth Protection is provided on Neutral.
Where to use 4 Pole or TPN MCB instead of 3 Pole (TP) MCB. BUY ELECTRICAL SOFTWARES
Normally in 3phase with neutral we just use 3pole CB and Neutral is connected on common Neutral Link but if
application of 3pole will affect the operation of protective relay then we must use 4pole CB.
System evaluation has to be required to decide whether three-pole circuit breakers plus neutral link can be used or
four-pole breakers are required.
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If unrestricted ground fault protection is fitted to the transformer neutral, then the bus section circuit breaker should
have 4-poles and preferably incomer circuit breakers should also have 4-poles because un cleared ground fault
located at the load side of a feeder have two return paths. As shown in fig a ground fault on a feeder at the bus
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A Tr. has 3P ACB & also B Tr. has 3P ACB and there is 1 bus coupler with 4P ACB type.
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a.narayana says:
January 7, 2014 at 4:52 am
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George says:
February 11, 2014 at 10:31 am
Great work here. Quite enlightening. Would you please get me more materials on electrical distribution and
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Sir kindly give a clarification abt what is 7 segment tpn double door db box
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David says:
February 28, 2014 at 11:40 am
if I have 2 upstream power, genset and normal power supply to main switchboard. Then connected to UPS.
Should use 4 pole or 3 pole MCCB?
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Jignesh.Parmar says:
February 28, 2014 at 4:17 pm
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Sonny says:
March 12, 2014 at 3:12 am
Thanks for your info. For residential distribution board, only main switch needs to cut both phase and neutral. The
mcb feeding outgoing circuit needs only cut the phase. But I find the regulations requiring to cut all live conductors.
I could not find where the outgoing circuits need not to so. Could you help. Thanks
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Karthik says:
April 7, 2014 at 10:32 am
Dear sir,
Thanking you
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hi sir,
i have a doubt,
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J. Mohan says:
July 22, 2014 at 3:38 pm
my house load capacity is 5000 watts ,which capacity of 3 phase MCB i may installed in my house .
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Karthik says:
July 24, 2014 at 3:57 am
4 way TPNDB with 63Amps MCCB incomer and 20Amps MCB- Geyser, A.c, Fridge, rest of Mcb for circuits-
switch boards,
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Dear Jagnesh
We are executing a multi-billion industrial project where it is insisted to use 4 pole breaker through out the
installation. (Incomers & Outgoings)
Local regulation call for the use TT & TN-S combined system. TN-S Utility Supply Neutral through cable armour,
while incoming power feed is 33KV-Primary substation. We think TT & TN-S shall not apply since utility supply is
33KV not 380/400/415 or 433V 3 Ph.
1. Electrical Power input of TXR & Generator OR TXR & TXR to common LV MDB with auto- changeover through
4 ACBs to isolate the neutral of two power sources.
2. Parallel Supply Systems with Restricted earth fault protection, as summarized by you.
3. Where 3rd Harmonic presence is established resulting in current in the neutral.
What if we use Harmonic Filters to neutralize Harmonics?
4.Hazardous (inflammable/explosive) material areas where spark on Neutral is dangerous.
Do you have any document BS or NEC or NFPA or IEE which categorically state/ guide usage of 4 Pole Breakers
in the electrical power disruption system.
Hemant Arora.
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Muruga says:
August 2, 2014 at 10:56 am
Dear sir,
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pushkar says:
September 22, 2014 at 9:06 am
what is cheng over in which capacity changeover are available were to use
what is nesacari to check?
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Going through the notes, I now have better understanding of the mccb/mcb protection systems. Thank you so
much for the notes. How I wish you could send notes to me on earthing systems.
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Dipesh says:
November 24, 2014 at 6:24 am
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gaurav says:
March 8, 2015 at 7:28 pm
Sir, I had a query; we have a 4 pole ACB for DG. Now we are planning to get 2nd Dg & intend to synchronize both
DGs. For this we’ve to install separate neutral contactors. So can we use our existing 4 pole ACB on DG having
only 3 phases going through it( N protection set to off) & neutral through contactor. Kindly reply
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Krishna says:
March 12, 2015 at 10:35 am
Jignesh.Parmar:) Sir how to design the MSB, DB, Sizes if i know the Total Connected Load.
Please tell me the whole process step by step.
Thank you
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sumit says:
March 16, 2015 at 5:22 pm
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Alex says:
May 18, 2015 at 9:55 am
Why in TN-C system required TPN or 4P only if we cannot afford to cut neutral? I think PEN should be directly and
all ways connected. Sorry for my English
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ANOOP R L says:
May 28, 2015 at 11:41 am
SIR PLZ CLARIFY…max power load that can mix up with normal light loads under a single phase db or three
phase db in 30mA protected RCBO.
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L n Singhal says:
July 12, 2015 at 3:59 am
Kindlylet me know what type of contractor AC1 AC3. Should be used in neutral circuit
Thanks
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nisar says:
September 8, 2015 at 2:23 pm
hello sir i am thank ful to u for your guideline i want to know that in spn 4way db contain how many mcbs with
neutral and in tpn 4 way contain how many mcb with neutral
sir plz do needfully
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Hello Jigneshbhai! i refer your notes on a regular basis and i must appreciate that you provide very accesible and
valuable insights for people like me. Keep up the good work that you are doing by sharing very valuable
knowledge.
Thanks
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olakunle says:
December 2, 2015 at 12:21 pm
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ATTIQ says:
December 16, 2015 at 3:27 pm
I HAVE 80A TPN ISOLATOR HOW I KNOW THE CABLE SIZE WHICH ONE IS USE
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akmal says:
December 17, 2015 at 7:33 am
Dear sir in my project lighting panel board is 3 phase 230v and all the light fitting are 220v and to get 220 volt they
have installed all branch lighting breaker with 20A 2 ploe mcb . they used two hot wires and one earthing wire I
have the doubt with unbalance current where it will go since we dont have connection with neutral ? can u tell this
installation acceptable according tO NEC OR other standard
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Good day I have problem with my loading, from generator to my house. The reading on my generator screen is 30,
0 and 5amps. Generator stops at every 5mins. Pls how can I balance the loading? Thanks bunch I really enjoy
your explanations.
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Pls, I need pictures showing the SPN and TPN incoming and Outgoing. Pls
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an phan says:
January 27, 2016 at 1:28 pm
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sir could you please help me with some calculation for selection of incomer in MCC, PCC, 11 KV SWGR
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Sir could you please help with some calculation for selection of I/C for PCC, MCC and 11KV swgr.
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Thanks a bunch it’s fantastic. This will really go in along way for me. Pls keep on.
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March 5, 2016 at 9:40 am
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April 6, 2016 at 10:33 am
hai i am a civil engineeer, even i can understand electrical basics, you have written so simple and easy
understanding way, keep rock, thanks
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June 14, 2016 at 1:16 am
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rakesh says:
June 25, 2016 at 6:45 am
thnks
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thiyagupm says:
September 14, 2016 at 10:26 am
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Dear sir;
Kindly brief me the meaning of ‘2’ and ’12’ in (2+12) way distribution board
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in this case one phase shorted means main breaker also trip
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shahid says:
January 21, 2017 at 9:34 am
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manu.v.s says:
March 18, 2017 at 4:08 pm
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s.k.choudhury says:
March 21, 2017 at 6:04 am
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sir my factory load 200 kw but per day at the time of 4 to 5 mnt load goes to 200 above. so how can control my
load…. plz suggest me how to break my main circuit at the time of goes load.
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KARTHI says:
April 4, 2017 at 10:05 am
USEFUL INFORMATIONS
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I have applied 63A TPN MCB for machine & 5 Hp pressure pump. Machine is rated 32A & pressure pump is 16A.
Total: 48 Amps & my TPN MCB is 63A. Is it ok or should I get it changed. ?
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Hello Jignesh,
Is there a typo in your above notes. I think item 3: (TN-S) should have TPN or 4pole and item 4 (TN-C) should
have TP as we cannot breaker neutral in TN-C.
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Badal says:
May 27, 2017 at 12:11 pm
Thanks A Lot
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ham says:
February 3, 2018 at 11:00 am
At what current will 25A B type MCB will trip? ,voltage is 230v
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Azeem says:
July 21, 2018 at 11:07 pm
would do you please explain about Types of distribution box such as VTPN ,i heard there is 7 types like this
,please expllain
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Hi, Good explanation. However in case of a Switch what is the difference between 3P+N and 4 POLE?
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Naresh says:
August 22, 2018 at 7:29 am
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