00:03 straighten me out and I wanted I did you 00:07 have some qualifications or questions I 00:10 look I admit that everyone else's 00:14 questions sound a great deal more 00:16 intelligent than mine right um yeah we 00:20 don't know that yet we haven't heard you 00:21 okay um I'm just owning myself okay um 00:27 you made a comment that said well most 00:30 you know traditional meditation was 00:32 designed by men staring at walls and I 00:35 kind of related to that totally because 00:38 I'm thinking okay I'm a woman I want to 00:41 hold something I want touch something I 00:42 don't want to stare at walls yeah and 00:44 I'm wondering I'm just curious what you 00:47 think would happen if women had designed 00:49 this meditation and would it lead to the 00:53 same kind of enlightenment yeah I I mean 00:58 would it turn pagan instead of Buddhist 00:59 yeah I I'm curious I I yeah yeah um well 01:08 let's explore it a little bit see if it 01:09 makes sense to you part and we were 01:12 getting kind of a generic overview 01:13 that's all so if you actually look at 01:16 some of the female mystics particularly 01:18 in the West the idea is that on on the 01:24 side of the witness ultimately you want 01:27 to get to equanimity in other words 01:29 nothing moves you in other words and 01:31 actually even even in common parlance 01:33 the measure of a man again this could be 01:34 overdone the measure of a man is his 01:38 unflappability you know he's not 01:41 supposed to just blow with the winner 01:42 he's supposed to be a source of strength 01:43 and presence and death and that's what 01:45 women tend to count on from and they 01:47 want men to hold a space in which they 01:49 can shine or move or play or radiate or 01:52 be hysterical I mean and and if the man 01:55 can't handle that then the woman is 01:57 deeply disappointed because you know 01:58 he's going to react and you're going to 02:00 get into this endless fight about you 02:01 don't love me and I don't love you and 02:02 all of that so ultimately why you want 02:04 is a man who can hold this step in this 02:06 space some sort of equanimity now it 02:08 doesn't mean cut off from feelings or 02:09 anything but it doesn't mean having that 02:11 kind of 02:11 unmovable awareness in which these 02:14 things are arising in order for and 02:17 that's part of getting very close to 02:18 sort of this absolute one case where 02:21 you're one with everything and so of 02:23 course you accept everything exactly as 02:25 its as tapping but there are a lot of 02:27 steps getting up to that pure equanimity 02:29 on the masculine side if you look at 02:32 some of the women mystics who got 02:34 outside of the male system and started 02:37 doing their version of mysticism in the 02:41 flesh and what they would do the 02:45 exercises they would do in order to get 02:47 to that same degree of I mean really 02:50 intense capacity to case everything with 02:54 one pace to see everything in the 02:56 universe is something that can be 02:57 touched equally and loved equally a 03:00 mother Teresa was heard her statement 03:03 was famous love until it hurts that's a 03:06 classic female way to do it it's going 03:09 to be pagan if you stop merely loving 03:12 and if you stop you're loving at the 03:14 merely gross throughout but if you 03:16 carried into subtle and causal it's 03:18 going to be just in my opinion just as 03:19 advanced as a masculine carrying 03:21 equanimity into it specific examples of 03:24 this were nurses who were mystics in the 03:26 Middle Ages and they would sounds gross 03:29 but bear with me they would lick and 03:32 suck the wounds of lepers it's that kind 03:36 of love until it hurts showing a radical 03:39 acceptance of everything that's arising 03:40 moment to moment in a sense kissing the 03:43 wounds in order to cleanse them this 03:46 actual practice that was done that's the 03:49 equivalent of a man sitting in a wall 03:51 and not blinking for eight hours that's 03:53 a it's an intense extreme way to get 03:57 over your belief that some things are 03:59 good and some things are bad in the 04:01 phenomenal world you have to get to the 04:02 point where they are all equally 04:04 radiance of the divine and kissing a 04:08 leper is a good test 04:13 kissing some of my friends would be a 04:15 good test too if you want to try that I 04:19 can start you out with some day we have 04:22 a starter kit of female mysticism if you 04:27 want to it would do that and a lot of 04:30 volunteers in the front row I wanted to 04:32 tell you but that's we don't have at 04:38 nearly as many examples of that that we 04:41 can sort of try to make some conclusions 04:42 from as we do your men staring at wolf 04:47 but I think it makes a certain kind of 04:50 sense in other words where men want to 04:51 go through extremes of not moving you 04:55 know extremes of being under being able 04:57 to undergo sweat lodges and Thomas 05:00 torturous meditation and not move 05:02 because they're really trying to get a 05:04 taste of the Sun move move or this 05:06 witness that can actually stay awake 05:08 through all three you know waking dream 05:09 and deep sleep the female side tended to 05:13 be the same kind of intense expressions 05:15 but expressed through love and I think 05:19 Mother Teresa again was really if you 05:21 know if you saw some of stuff she was 05:22 doing with students I mean with those 05:24 sick people of Calcutta it really is a 05:27 living embodiment of one taste of really 05:29 being able to just relate to these 05:31 people as a direct manifestation of the 05:33 divine and that's that's sort of almost 05:37 extreme is what I'm trying to say you 05:40 know as the as the man not moving for 05:42 eight hours does that make a little bit 05:44 of sense yeah much more than that we 05:48 don't know a lot about because we're 05:50 just starting to study the side of it 05:52 and I don't think that I think it's 05:56 misleading to say patriarchy repressed 05:58 these other things I just don't think it 06:00 quite works like that it's just there 06:02 wasn't enough women that due to social 06:05 circumstances would pursue something 06:06 like that so I think that's I think 06:08 we're in a period of kind of rebalancing 06:09 it and studying it but if I was if I was 06:12 working on a masters or PhD or something 06:13 like that I would that's one of the 06:15 first things that I would examine and 06:17 there are there a handful of books that 06:21 actually go into that 06:23 and I if you email me talk to my 06:27 assistant call and email me I'll give 06:28 you two or three of them one that one 06:30 has to do also wholly anorexia which is 06:33 really a similar kind of thing I think 06:35 it's call holy feasts holy famine but it 06:38 goes several of these books go into 06:40 those very intense modes a female love 06:44 love until it hurts help a little bit 06:50 and that was one of the most intelligent 06:52 questions so far thank you thank you