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Microsoft's web site offers us "100 Reasons You'll Be Speechless" over Windows Vista. Quoth the copy:
"Using Windows Vista for the first time may leave you searching for words".

Er, yes... searching for words, and finding them. After


the initial shocked silence, Vista users (and refusers) are
anything but speechless. They're speaking loudly, and
speaking lots. Saying far more than Microsoft would
like them to. Saying things to make even a Ballmer
cringe. Vista has struck them downright loquacious. In
fact, Vista users are rediscovering words they thought
Mom had washed out with that bar of Ivory so long ago.

Think we're being snarky and making that up? Nope. Let's listen in to 100 things people are really saying
about Vista, shall we? (A warning: it gets rough in there...)

The view from 30,000 feet (or: Through the crosshairs)

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1. "Vista is a flop. A disaster. Dead."

Let's start out with a few choice media headlines, just to capture the mood:
The Vista Death Watch
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2704,2209837,00.asp
Three Reasons Why Windows Vista is Sinking Like a Rock
http://www.dailytechnobabble.com/2007/02/26/three-reasons-why-windows-vi...
Why Microsoft must abandon Vista to save itself
http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9785337-7.html?tag=nefd.only
Vista Nightmare: The “Oww!” Starts Now
http://www.pseudomarketing.com/vista-nightmare-oww/
FAQ: Giving up on Vista? Here's how to downgrade to XP
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&...
Time for a Vista Do-Over
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2704,2254104,00.asp

Hoo boy! Ebola gets a better rap. Well, put on your waders; there's lots more where that came from. Into
the breach:

2. "Vista is one of the 10 worst tech products of 2007!"

Here's the verdict from IT powerhouse CNET: "Any operating system that provokes a campaign for its
predecessor's reintroduction deserves to be classed as terrible technology. Any operating system that
quietly has a downgrade-to- previous-edition option introduced for PC makers deserves to be classed as
terrible technology. Any operating system that takes six years of development but is instantly hated by
hordes of PC professionals and enthusiasts deserves to be classed as terrible technology... Windows Vista
conforms to all of the above. Its incompatibility with hardware, its obsessive requirement of human
interaction to clear security dialogue box warnings and its abusive use of hated DRM, not to mention its
general pointlessness as an upgrade, are just some examples of why this expensive operating system earns
the final place in our terrible tech list."
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/0,39029552,49293700-10,00.htm

3. "Vista is the most disappointing tech product of 2007!"

PC World isn't about to dispute CNET, naming Vista the most disappointing product of the year: "Five
years in the making and this is the best Microsoft could do?... Many of the innovations the operating
system was supposed to bring--like more efficient file and communications systems--got tossed
overboard as Microsoft struggled to get the OS out the door, some three years after it was first promised.
Despite its hefty hardware requirements, Vista is slower than XP... The user account controls that were
supposed to make users feel safer just made them feel irritated. And at $399 ($299 upgrade) for Windows
Ultimate, we couldn't help feeling more than a little gouged... No wonder so many users are clinging to
XP like shipwrecked sailors to a life raft, while others who made the upgrade are switching back."

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http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,140583-page,5-c,techindustrytrends/art...

4. "This took five years?"

And billions of dollars. Yet many have called the final Vista "alpha quality" software. (That means "at a
stage barely ready for testing". It's bad.)
http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/13114/1090/
"I’m looking at my copy of Windows Vista and wonder ‘what has Microsoft been doing for the last 5
years?"
http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/08/30/mac-os-x-leopard-vs-microsoft-window...
"Why, after five years waiting for the most important product from one of the biggest companies on the
planet, was I left feeling with such an overwhelming feeling of "Is that it?"
http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10006214o-2000331758b,00....
"Five years for a chrome-plated turd... If this is all the billions, man-hours and years brought, what was
the point? We get a bloated, DRM infected rights removal tool that advances the state of the art to where
Apple was the better part of a decade ago, and we are supposed to call this progress?"
http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquirer/news/2007/01/30/vista-makes-me-sa...
"...sexy party dress aside – it’s the same old tart underneath. Contrasting what was originally promised
with what was finally delivered, Vista (nee Longhorn) has spectacularly failed."
http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2007/04/29/vista_end_dream/

5. "What happened to all the promised features in Vista?"

Fast Boot? Gone. "Something obviously went awry. As Computerworld is reporting, a number of Vista
users are none too happy about Vista boot-up times."
http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=378
PC-to-PC synchronization? Dropped. "Microsoft officials said they cut the feature due to quality
concerns."
http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/desktop_mobile/another_windows_vi...
WinFS? Perhaps the first big casualty that told the world something was seriously wrong. "Originally
announced as one of the three "pillars" of Windows Vista... WinFS was to revolutionize how users and
developers interacted with the files on their computers."
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060625-7128.html
And so on. "All the cool and promised features of the original vision of Longhorn were gutted simply
because it was beyond Microsoft’s capability to implement those features... Microsoft should have
scrapped the project two years ago and instead patched XP until it could deliver something hot."
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2704,2209837,00.asp

6. "Vista isn't ready for release!"

It's widely called beta-quality or even alpha-quality software, depending on how angry the voice. Either
way, opinion is near-unanimous that Vista was launched before it was ready. Says the BBC's business

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editor about Vista problems: "My conclusion? For all the expensive and much-extended gestation, Vista
was not ready for commercial release."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/robertpeston/2007/02/an_open_let...
"Vista Is Incomplete... Vista probably won't be truly ready for prime time until that first service pack
version, possibly later this year."
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,128669-page,1/article.html
"Vista is basically XP, prettified with different bugs... It's memory hogging, slow, and still feels
unfinished, but the same can be said about every previous version of [W]indows..."
http://rufuswhite.blogspot.com/2007/09/vis-vista.html

7. "Vista? Yawn."

What if you threw your biggest product launch ever and nobody came? It'd look like this: "...few
residents... had come out for the launch of Microsoft's much-ballyhooed operating system, Windows
Vista. At CompUSA, slightly more than a dozen people wandered the aisles waiting for the stroke of
midnight, when the software giant's latest system would go on sale... "When I was on my way in, they
were lined up," said a CompUSA staff member who asked not to be named. "I asked, are you here for
Vista? They all shook their head" (A comment from one attendee spoke beautifully on behalf of Vista
launch 'revelers': "I don't really have a reason... It's just something to do.")
http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2007/01/72601
More: "All day, Microsoft had presented an agenda of glitz, glamour, and unusual spectacles...[but] it was
quite clear that the majority of the people waiting in line were eager to capitalize on the slashed prices
and had no real interest in Vista or Office 2007."
http://www.news.com/Vistas-actual-launch-Think-whisper,-not-bang/2100-10...
And more: "Vista’s buzz borders on nonexistent. Its launch has not lived up to expectations by any
reasonable measure. Sure, you have some cheerleaders out there, but if you look closely enough, you’ll
find they make a living supporting and advocating Microsoft’s technologies first and foremost. Vista is
not setting the world on fire, and people are actively trying to avoid upgrading. There were no lines out
any door at midnight anywhere for Vista... The “wow” has not started now, even with most people
(including me) loving the new Vista TV commercials. They’re good. But that’s where the “wow” for
Vista begins and ends for me."
http://gracefulflavor.net/2007/03/06/vista-backlash-grows-key-advocate-m...
Now see The "Wow" for yourself:
http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2007/01/wow.html

8. "Vista? Why?"

"PC Advisor surveyed its readers and found out that 67% would prefer their new computer come with
Windows XP over Vista... "
http://vista.blorge.com/2007/10/21/pc-advisor-67-prefer-windows-xp-over-vista-upgrade/
Or in words from Microsoft Watch that put all of Vista into perspective: "Microsoft promised WOW, but
the reaction was, 'What?' What is different from Windows XP? What is wrong with the hardware

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requirements? What is the difference between 'Capable' and 'Ready?' What is this Software Assurance
requirement for Vista Enterprise? What happened to the familiarity of Windows XP? What is wrong with
my Vista applications and hardware?.. More recently the 'W' question is 'When?'--as in when will
Microsoft release Vista Service Pack 1?"
http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/vista/vista_one_year_later.html
"When I look at Vista, there's really nothing there that's a must-have kind of feature."
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,137635/article.html
"Tech is going smaller, cheaper, lighter. Vista is going bigger, more expensive, more demanding. Is that
where you want to go today?"
http://seekingalpha.com/article/30042-10-reasons-why-microsoft-s-vista-h...

Vista's mark on Microsoft (or: Redmond needs a hanky)

9. "Vista: The end of the Microsoft empire?"

It isn't only users that have Vista problems. Microsoft may have the biggest problem of all: "MS is in a
rut. The firm has cowered, co-opted or bought all the critics, and any message coming out of the press
will be well scripted... Vista could have been innovative instead of warmed over. Vista could have
defended our rights instead of raping them. Vista could have been lean and mean instead of bloated and
DRM slowed. Vista could have brought new ways of doing things instead of the same old same old. Vista
could have been cheaper instead of a stealth price increase. Vista could have pioneered new ways of
letting us use computers instead of activated tethers and licence problems. Vista could have been
compatible and advanced standards instead of breaking software in the name of locking you in... I think
we would have been better off if MS packed it in and spent the money on the moon shot they are so fond
of making comparisons too."
http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquirer/news/2007/01/30/vista-makes-me-sa...
"...Microsoft better start moving faster with its operating system upgrades or it can look forward to a long
slide in market share as people decide that the Mac experience is just plain better. Apple is a bigger threat
than ever to the empire in Redmond, Wash."
http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_7310593?nclick_check=1?sr=hotnews
"Right now, Microsoft has nowhere to run, and nowhere to hide. After all the hype surrounding Vista, the
Emperor has finally been revealed in all his naked glory. Some folks have been predicting the demise of
Microsoft."
http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2007/04/29/vista_end_dream/

10. "Abandon Vista, Microsoft!"

The press is even telling Microsoft to abandon Vista altogether! "Never before have I seen such an
abysmal start to an operating system release... The road ahead looks dangerous for Vista and Microsoft
must realize that... Microsoft must abandon Vista and move on. It's the company's only chance at
redemption."
http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9785337-7.html?tag=nefd.only

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"Microsoft can scuttle the entire product. Why not? Work on a whole new OS starting today with one
team and work on SP3 for XP with another team to keep users on Windows."
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2704,2209840,00.asp
"Vista has turned into the desktop operating system no one wants, and even Microsoft is beginning to get
it... Whatever you do, even if it's just sticking with XP, you'll be doing better than moving to Vista. Vista
is the walking dead of the operating-system world."
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2190228,00.asp

11. "Vista shows that Microsoft is spread too thin"

Umpteen OS products, consumer software, enterprise software, game machines, music players: all things
to all people is a recipe for a mess, and people are noticing that anew in the wan light of Vista. "Now
Microsoft wants to be in the advertising business because Google is in the advertising business.
Meanwhile, it can’t do its real job."
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2704,2209837,00.asp

12. "Microsoft knew they were releasing 'a pig'"

Within Microsoft, there are (or were) those who knew where to lay blame. Jim Allchin, who left
Microsoft the day Vista was released, said in a now-famous memo to Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer, "...we
lost our way. I think our teams lost sight of what bug-free means, what resilience means, what full
scenarios mean, what security means, what performance means, how important current applications are,
and really understanding what the most important problems [our] customers face are... I would buy a Mac
today if I was not working at Microsoft. If you run the equivalent of VPC on a MAC you get access to
basically all Windows application software (although not the hardware). Apple did not lose their way...
They think scenario. They think simple. They think fast."
He closes with this simple summary of Longhorn (the initial code name for Vista), "LH is a pig."
http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/110354.asp
(The memo was written three years before Vista's release, and even the strongest detractors will have to
acknowledge that Microsoft made great improvements in the intervening time. Yet not so much changed
after all, as Vista has been ravaged by the same criticisms since the day of its release.)

13. "Microsoft's most loyal fans can't praise Vista!"

Although aimed at pre-release Longhorn, the following rant was noteworthy not only for its venom but
also for its source: columnist Paul Thurrott, recognized as one of Microsoft's most ardent cheerleaders.
"Microsoft has yet to ship Windows Vista, and it won't actually ship this system in volume until 2007.
Since the euphoria of PDC 2003, Microsoft's handling of Windows Vista has been abysmal. Promises
have been made and forgotten, again and again. Features have come and gone. Heck, the entire project
was literally restarted from scratch after it became obvious that the initial code base was a teetering,
technological house of cards. Windows Vista, in other words, has been an utter disaster. And it's not even
out yet. What the heck went wrong?... If blame is to be assessed, we must start with Gates. He has

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guided--or, through lack of leadership--failed to guide the development of Microsoft's most prized asset.
He has driven it into the ground... Promises were made. Excitement was generated. None of it, as it turns
out, was worth a damn. From a technical standpoint, the version of Windows Vista we will receive is a
sad shell of its former self, a shadow... [W]e do not and should not expect to be promised the world, only
to be given a warmed over copy of Mac OS X Tiger in return. Windows Vista is a disappointment."
http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winvista_5308_05.asp
Jump ahead to the post-launch era. Improvements are certainly evident, and Thurrott is mollified in part; I
won't purport to speak for him. But from elsewhere: "Even some of Windows' most loyal users are
finding that its poor performance, lousy software support and pathetic driver support is too much to
stomach."
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2190228,00.asp

14. "I'm mad at Microsoft!"

You may have read the story of the disappointed mom who tackled Steve Ballmer over her daughter's
Vista problems: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&...
There's a lot of Microsoft-directed anger out there. Here a power user takes Microsoft to task: "I was
loyal to you for so long. I stuck with you through thick and thin. From DOS 5.0 through XP. Through
decent functionality and through countless crashes. But this new operating system is the last straw...
You’ve terrified folks like my poor dad. He is afraid to install new software for any reason. He mumbles
things like “Computers – you just can’t trust them.” He’s been conditioned that if he tries to install a new
program or download an update – even if he does it correctly - something is likely to go awry for no
explicable reason... You made millions of poor secretaries and office workers cry just for trying to do
normal things like printing and saving... The secret is out, Microsoft. The reputation that you can’t be
trusted to deliver reliable software is getting around fast."
http://www.pseudomarketing.com/vista-nightmare-oww/
The BBC's business editor writes an open letter to Bill Gates: "Give me back my weekend. I bought a
new Windows Vista laptop – and that’s when the trouble began... The only thing that gives me any
comfort is that I am apparently not alone in my Vista-stress."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/robertpeston/2007/02/an_open_let...

15. "Vista marketing is senseless!"

Says a key Microsoft observer: "I wasn’t a big fan of the “Wow” campaign around Windows Vista. But
its newest incarnation — “100 Reasons Why Everyone’s So Speechless” — might be even worse."
http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=851
"According to Microsoft, Vista brings “clarity” to our lives. What the hell is that supposed to mean?... We
all know the truth - Windows XP is perfectly fine, and Microsoft’s PR machine is just inventing reasons
for us to buy something we don’t need."
http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20/2006/11/10/five-reasons-to-avoid-wi...

16. "Vista marketing is sleazy!"

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Even before the class-action lawsuit over misleading "Vista Capable" marketing, Vista marketing has
raised eyebrows. "Microsoft and AMD have sent free Acer Ferrari 1000 and 5000 notebooks loaded with
Vista to a group of high-profile bloggers... While Microsoft’s PR department may have thought it was a
great idea, the give-away is attracting criticism."
http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20/2006/12/27/microsoft-crosses-the-li...
Not entirely a Vista addition, but along the same theme: "If you can’t beat ’em, bribe ’em. That’s
Microsoft’s newest tactic for promoting Windows Live Search, whose share of the market is declining
despite a multimillion-dollar marketing campaign... The Redmond Recidivists are offering enterprise
customers $2 to $10 worth of Microsoft swag per seat to ditch their Google and Yahoo toolbars and go
“Live” in IE7. Meanwhile, Steve Ballmer has criticized Google because it hasn’t “reinvented itself”
enough. So, to recap: Making a product people use because it actually works is bad business, but arm-
twisting, trash talking, and bribery are the keys to long-term success."
http://www.infoworld.com/article/07/03/22/13OPcringely_1.html

Acquiring Vista (or: Getting set up)

17. "Vista's versions are a confusing mess!"

Windows Vista Starter, Windows Vista Home Basic, Windows Vista Home Premium, Windows Vista
Business, Windows Vista Enterprise, and Windows Vista Ultimate. Plus a couple extra versions for
Europe. Pre-launch observers predicted: "The sheer number of Windows Vista versions is going to cause
massive consumer confusion." http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_editions.asp
That's proven true since Vista's launch.
A kinder review notes: "It all sounds confusing, but in reality consumers are only going to really need to
choose between FOUR different Vista versions."
http://www.techwrighter.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=53...
Vista's multitude of versions is fodder for the competition. Apple, for example, gets good milage out of
this ad poking fun at Vista choices: http://movies.apple.com/movies/us/apple/getamac/apple-getamac-
chooseavis...
Similarly, CEO Steve Jobs scored laughs with his quip about Mac OS X Leopard's single version: "Basic
version, $129. Premium version, $129. Business version, $129. Enterprise version $129. Ultimate
version, $129".

18. "Vista's upgrade paths are just as confusing!"

There are actually more than six versions of Vista: upgrade options add four more. "Microsoft is losing
consumer operating system market share to Apple for many reasons... That's why it may be such a costly
error for Microsoft to make the Vista upgrade such a confusing mess."
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&...
Microsoft provides an upgrade matrix to help out... or not help out: "Good lord. That chart looks like a
city block's worth of malfunctioning traffic lights."

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http://macslash.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/01/0032250
Even after making a choice, upgraders need to watch out for trouble. A representative sample: "Many
users have lost, or were never provided with, installation disks with their PC. Because they have XP or
2000 installed, they may decide to save money and buy an Upgrade version. If their disk later dies, or
they need for whatever reason to reformat, they will then have to buy a second copy of Vista, this time,
the full version. Ouch!"
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&...

19. "Upgrading to Vista is a pain!"

For many, Vista problems begin at installation. Let the business pros at Forbes tell it: "Should you
upgrade your current machine? Are you nuts? Upgrading is almost always a royal pain. Many older boxes
are too wimpy for Vista, and a 'Vista-ready' unit Microsoft upgraded for me could see my wireless
network but not connect to it. The diagnostics helpfully reported 'Wireless association failed due to an
unknown reason' and suggested I consult my 'network administrator'--me. Yet I've connected dozens of
things to that network, including other Vista machines, a PlayStation 3 and Microsoft's own Xbox 360...
My recommendation: Don't even consider updating an old machine to Vista, period. And unless you
absolutely must, don't buy a new one with Vista until the inevitable Service Pack 1 (a.k.a. Festival o'
Fixes) arrives to combat horrors as yet unknown."
http://www.forbes.com/free_forbes/2007/0226/050.html

20. "Upgrades are so much easier on other systems!"

"In the long years since XP was launched, Apple have come out with five major upgrades to OS X,
upgrades which (dare I say it?) install with about as much effort as it takes to brush your teeth in the
morning. No nightmare calls to tech-support, no sudden hardware incompatibilities, no hassle. Why
hasn’t Microsoft kept up?"
http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2007/04/29/vista_end_dream/
(It has to be noted that Apple's Leopard upgrade hasn't been problem-free for everyone, though most
troubles involved use of unsanctioned third-party hacks to OS X.)

21. "Why are some Vista versions so limited?"

Then again, maybe there aren't so many real choices after all. A typical comment: "Have you ever looked
at Vista Home Basic? Calling it a dog is an insult to all hard-working canines. It can't run Vista's eye
candy, the Aero Glass interface. It doesn't have DVD video authoring or Media Center support.
Compared to Windows XP Home SP2, I'd call it a downgrade."
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,2169153,00.asp
Not surprisingly, many reviewers call the higher-end versions the only real choice for a serious shopper.
Which leads to the next complaint:

22. "Vista is too expensive!"

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The word got out before launch: "An overwhelming majority of users say the prices of the various
editions of Windows Vista as posted on a Microsoft website yesterday make the product too expensive,
according to a new poll." http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/5450/53/
And the word spread after launch. Says Computerworld, "Are you sitting down? The full version of
Windows Vista Ultimate costs $399. If you have an XP CD, and don't mind the hassle, the upgrade
version of Vista Ultimate costs $259. Ouch!"
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&...
But Vista's impact on the pocketbook extends beyond software:

23. "Vista's hardware requirements are unbelievable!"

Hardware requirements have sparked endless criticisms.


You'll need lots of memory: "Microsoft's on-the-box minimum RAM requirement "really isn't realistic,"
according to David Short, an IBM consultant who works in its company's Global Services Divison. He
says users should consider 4GB of RAM if they really want optimum Vista performance. With 512MB of
RAM, Vista will deliver performance that's "sub-XP," he warned."
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&...
All modern computers need that much memory, right? Wrong. "In contrast to Microsoft's Windows Vista,
[Mac OS X] isn't a memory hog... it can run just fine on an older Mac with 512 megabytes of main
memory. Vista really needs something like four times as much to run all applications smoothly... Mac OS
X 10.5... isn't a fat pig."
http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_7310593?nclick_check=1?sr=hotnews
"A new level of the absurd… Windows Vista requires more hardware resources than Microsoft’s
Windows for Supercomputers. Yet one operating system is designed to run on home computers while the
other is aimed at the high-performance computing (HPC) market."
http://www.indianpad.com/story/142664
The lesson: If you're looking at Vista, make sure you choose a PC that's Vista Capable.
Then again, maybe not:

24. "Windows Vista Capable is a lie!"

"A lawsuit alleges that Microsoft Corp. engaged in deceptive practices by letting PC makers promote
computers as "Windows Vista Capable" even if they couldn't run the new operating system's "signature"
features."
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/310004_msftsued03.html?source=rss
Microsoft denies the claims, but the press has harsh words in response. "What actually happened was that
they discovered that "Capable" was proving incapable. Nice one, Microsoft! No wonder I've been hearing
your customers—not Mac fans or desktop Linux users—referring to Vista as Windows ME II."
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,2169153,00.asp
But if you're confused by the meaning of "Vista Capable", don't worry – so is Microsoft.
http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/business/0,39044229,62035012,00.htm

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Re: Anything but Speechless: 100 Things People Are Really Saying

Submitted by Cloaked Lurker (not verified) on Thu, 2008-02-14 00:16.

Vista is the best thing to ever come out of Microsoft. It had me switch my PC to Ubuntu 7.10 and get a
MacBook instead of a laptop with Vista pre--installed.
I've waited for Windows Vista, since Longhorn was first revealed, they were 3 years too late, many
missing features, confusing GUI, slow performance, and decreased stability. Worst bit of them all, DRM
and TC, that is spying on you!

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Vista is OK and will be no.1. Just have patience!

Submitted by dreyfus (not verified) on Mon, 2008-02-11 01:48.

just haters...
In one year or two all of them will be running Vista.
you need it because of the new technologies such as directx10 and forth

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and pc's will be faster and faster and Vista will boost performance overtime
On my Q6600 with 4 GB ram and raid 0 runs flawlessly... Even Windows XP can't match Vista on that
machine... considering for 4 GB you must install xp x64 which is way worst than Vista x64

Just wait and see. I'm pretty sure!


XP was heated before.
Vista is the best Microsoft OS (till Windows 7 will came out)

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Re: Vista is OK and will be no.1. Just have patience!

Submitted by Cloaked Lurker (not verified) on Tue, 2008-02-12 18:46.

lol not everyone that realizes that vista is windows ME version 2 is a "hater". Try realistic:
"In one year or two all of them will be running Vista."

Think so huh? Even business have been wary of spending money to upgrade to it. Not everyone has the
money or incentive to upgrade to a quad core to run all the eye candy in vista. Most people want basis
functionality--office & word, web browser email. And I guarantee you most people don't care for drm at
all.

"you need it because of the new technologies such as directx10 and forth
and pc's will be faster and faster and Vista will boost performance overtime"

You don't need vista for new technologies at all. What new technologies? DX10? DX is nothing more
than an api for graphics cards so windows programmers can more easily get at the metal--it doesn't add
more features than the graphics card already itself is capable of providing it merely makes it easier to tap
the power. And DX10 is fully capable of being deployed for XP. In case you weren't paying attention MS
created numerous versions of DX from win95 to DX 9 on XP. Has absolutely NOTHING to do with vista
at all. Do you think everyone is naive? You obviously got that machine for DX10 and gaming and are a
power user--you should know better since power users often want the most out of their hardware
investment--you won't get the most return using VISTA at this time, thats for damn sure, and SP1 is
unlikely to fix the bulk of the issues. XP worked much better than vista did before id even had SP1, esp.
for games. That b/c they had released SP's for win2k and the transition was a lot easier--not so this time.

"On my Q6600 with 4 GB ram and raid 0 runs flawlessly... Even Windows XP can't match Vista on that
machine... considering for 4 GB you must install xp x64 which is way worst than Vista x64"

Yeah of course with a quad core and 4GB of ram, it's going to work better. And that's just BS--I call BS.
Windows XP it outperformed by the bloated drm ridden vista? How do you figure since the OS

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inherrently is calling on the CPU's to do more work than with XP? Perhaps your XP installation was
hosed or you're just on crack. And most people aren't going to upgrade to the latest and greatest just to
use vista. A lot of people bought computers just 1-2 years ago and aren't going to upgrade again just so
vista doesn't bog down. As for XP64--hardly a fair comparison since MS hasn't spent the time pushing
XP64 and support for it like they have for vista. They've bypassed it altogether in favor of vista. Vista
should never have been released and they should have pushed XP64 along with improvements to security
and DX10.

"Just wait and see. I'm pretty sure!"


I'm pretty sure too--that VISTA is windows ME version 2 rofl.

"XP was heated before."

Not like vista are you kidding? What are you 10 years old or something? XP was much more compatible
when it was first released than vista is. I had numerous games and apps work right from win98/se even.
You're gone dude...get a clue

"Vista is the best Microsoft OS (till Windows 7 will came out)"

Black XP is superior to Vista. Windows 7? lol when will that be, the year 2010 or 2012?

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Re: Anything but Speechless: 100 Things People Are Really Saying

Submitted by Robert (not verified) on Tue, 2008-02-05 12:48.

Well, Microsoft has done a great thing for the world of computing.

Vista is the best move by Microsoft that I have ever seen.

It has now shot itself in such a way that Linux and Mac will take over and the world will finally be at
peace... :)

Don't you love it?

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looks nice.

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Submitted by Cloaked Lurker (not verified) on Sat, 2008-02-02 05:44.

the only thing good about vista is the look. so download Vista Transformation Pack 7 to make XP look
the same! fuck all the bullshit attatched to the REAL vista, you dont have to change your whole fucking
system just to make your computer look awesome!!!

download WindowBlinds for even more styles or better still just fucking get a mac!!

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looks nice.

Submitted by Cloaked Lurker (not verified) on Sat, 2008-02-02 05:43.

the only thing good about vista is the look. so download Vista Transformation Pack 7 to make XP look
the same! fuck all the bullshit attatched to the REAL vista, you dont have to change your whole fucking
system just to make your computer look awesome!!!

download WindowBlinds for even more styles or better still just fucking get a mac!!

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Re: looks nice.

Submitted by JohnC (not verified) on Mon, 2008-02-18 02:41.

You say Vista looks nice but check out compiz!!!!

you can install it on most kinds of linux as long as you don't have a rubbish graphics card

P.S. If u cant be bothered to find out about it then I'll tell you here:
it gives you all kinds of mad effects like having several desktops around the faces of a cube or wobbly
windows

Also with regard to vistas translucent windows, you can get the same thing on Ubuntu without installing
anything extra

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Reactos

Submitted by Adrian Marks (not verified) on Fri, 2008-02-01 09:15.

Hi I liked the article. I've enjoyed my Vista experience for nearly a year now on a new HP dv9000t
notebook. It's been working well except for a few minor things.

The secret to this success has been by not having my computer connected to anything. No internet,
network, as many services turned off as possible, and of course all hardware matched from the start. I fell
for the sales hype but really went with it for the intel T7200 chip.

I use a nice soundcard (external) via the firewire connection and as long as I have the ASIO driver on
before boot-up I think the DRM stuff is either bypassed or not engaged in some way.

I use this laptop a lot (many hours) in doing audio encoding work which goes almost twice as fast as my
XP desktop. So for some people, some applications it's ok.

I have no interest in watching premium content DVDs on laptop so at first wondered what all the fuss
was about. I read thru this website for some really great information and recommend it to you. It is 486
comments long from IT pro guys with some MS input as well. It's really a very long read but the quality
of the posting is excellent.

Windows Vista Content Protection - Twenty Questions (and Answers)

http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2007/01/20/windows-vista-content-protection-
twenty-questions-and-answers.aspx

One of the IT guys posted a link to an emerging (almost ready for prime-time) Windows OS replacement.
Open source NT build from the ground up allowing you to use your System32 DLLs. Quite interesting
total MS replacement. I'd love to read your comments about that. See it here at:

http://www.reactos.org/en/index.html

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Submitted by hardwarejunkie (not verified) on Tue, 2008-01-29 13:27.

wait a minute ot all those vista lovers......ur ought to make a mistake i really dont have to say anything
about ur loyality to ms$.but hey pay,that i dont for linux and ubuntu,well all i get everything i need works
perfectly without,the MS$ tag,guess what no BSOD screens.hehehe.......

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Vista

Submitted by sleepingcobra (not verified) on Fri, 2008-01-25 08:36.

the mountains of Vista-bashing are ridiculous.

i just got a fucking dell inspiron with amd athlon dual core 64 bit processors running at a little over 5 Ghz
- over 3 GB of ram - and a shitty NVIDIA 6000 series graphics card built in - for only ***$699*** at
best buy (and that includes the 19" flat screen and awesome epson printer - but - sorry - sale's over) - and
my windows vista runs like a fucking spaceship. it's beautiful. no. GORGEOUS. it's totally secure (i'll
deal with those constant user approval pop-ups instead of all that shoot-myself-in-the-head annoying
norton (or whatever else) shit). and it's faster than a fucking speeding bullet.

all you vista-hating shit eaters just need to cough up a buck or two to update your piece of shit computers.
then install vista and have a blast!

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Re: Vista

Submitted by Technicalfool (not verified) on Mon, 2008-02-18 16:44.

Quote:
i just got a fucking dell inspiron with amd athlon dual core 64 bit processors running at a little over 5 Ghz
- over 3 GB of ram - and a shitty NVIDIA 6000 series graphics card built in

A dual core, 64-bit machine, with 3 GIGABYTES of memory, with no slouch of a graphics card... and
you can run the operating system. Well done.

I can also run an operating system, on an AMD K6/III running at 400mhz, with an old Geforce 4 MX. It's
called Windows 98. Remember that?

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I can also run an operating system with a GUI that has more 3D effects than Vista, is more efficient than
Vista or XP (check the required specs for www.eve-online.com between the versions), on a basic 3ghz P4
with a Radeon 9000 IGP chipset. It's called Mandriva Linux. I'm sure you've heard of that one.
Incidentally, compiz is designed to run nicely with basic Intel GPUs. Budget machines, yaknow?

So you don't need to spend $699 on unneeded crap.

Linux is fast. Vista is slow. Deal with it, but don't make your bullshit so obvious.

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Re: Vista

Submitted by Cloaked Lurker (not verified) on Fri, 2008-02-01 05:59.

lol if you think vista is fast, secure and gorgeous Ubuntu will make piss your pants in happiness. Not
much for games though =[ but oh well

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Submitted by TimHawkeye (not verified) on Thu, 2008-01-24 19:59.

Wow ... I must be lucky. Obviously got the only working copy of Vista. NONE ... really NONE of the
100 topics mentioned here affected me when I installed it. I was really suprised 'cause I read about all
those traps waiting for me ... I personally don't want to go back to XP AT ALL. Period. And I feel sorry
for those who think a downgrade will make them happy. But it's their choice ...

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Submitted by bszlachta on Tue, 2008-01-29 12:44.

TimHawkeye wrote:

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NONE ... really NONE of the 100 topics mentioned here affected me when I installed it.

Give it time, give it time... : )

Seriously, if all works well for you, that's great. If only the masses in general had had a similarly good
experience.

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Vista disaster; M$ DRM+spying users+bullying law making bodies!

Submitted by Prakash (not verified) on Wed, 2008-01-23 21:22.

the biggest sin M$ is doing is esp in EU&USA is that most laptops and desktops bundles M$ Vista crap
(by gunpoint!hehe!) forced by M$FT.Still,Vista failed!also M$ hidden agendas too failed like entering
DRM(rootkit) ed Musik etc.also,US Army and M$FT itself spies ur Vista by creating logs !Vista sends
this and allows US army(NSA?) etc to probe ur Vista!!!pathetic monopolist!

No way windows series can compete with the stability of UNIX-like systems GNU/Linux etc.also win
XP SP2 is also not secure!It is just a placebo effect which users are experiancing!

Windows fanboys wont like to hear this-still,


Windows 7/Vienna is goona be launched this year july/October!Now see!... WinME=WinVista.although
Vista copied too many UNIX ideas wrongly implemented like UNIX system-wide-permission system as
UAC :lol: and 90% of networking stacks! :x also who knows how much devil(M$) had/having copied
from GPLed Linux and GNU Softwares?

M$ are FUD making morons who want to killl sane Open Source Community by Software patent FUDs,
SCO FUD(failed already hihihi!) etc.

EULA is Poison!Users rights are killed by big corps like M$,Intel etc who can bully for their monopoly
in law making bodies in USA,EU etc :x !

Move to Linux and Free Software!Save urself.


http://www.getgnulinux.org
http://www.whylinuxisbetter.net
http://www.fsf.org
http://www.gnu.org

Fuck RIAA,M$,MP3AAA,DRM,Software Patents :x

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Vista disaster; M$ DRM+spying users+bullying law making bodies!

Submitted by Prakash (not verified) on Wed, 2008-01-23 21:21.

the biggest sin M$ is doing is esp in EU&USA is that most laptops and desktops bundles M$ Vista crap
(by gunpoint!hehe!) forced by M$FT.Still,Vista failed!also M$ hidden agendas too failed like entering
DRM(rootkit) ed Musik etc.also,US Army and M$FT itself spies ur Vista by creating logs !Vista sends
this and allows US army(NSA?) etc to probe ur Vista!!!pathetic monopolist!

No way windows series can compete with the stability of UNIX-like systems GNU/Linux etc.also win
XP SP2 is also not secure!It is just a placebo effect which users are experiancing!

Windows fanboys wont like to hear this-still,


Windows 7/Vienna is goona be launched this year july/October!Now see!... WinME=WinVista.although
Vista copied too many UNIX ideas wrongly implemented like UNIX system-wide-permission system as
UAC :lol: and 90% of networking stacks! :x also who knows how much devil(M$) had/having copied
from GPLed Linux and GNU Softwares?

M$ are FUD making morons who want to killl sane Open Source Community by Software patent FUDs,
SCO FUD(failed already hihihi!) etc.

EULA is Poison!Users rights are killed by big corps like M$,Intel etc who can bully for their monopoly
in law making bodies in USA,EU etc :x !

Move to Linux and Free Software!Save urself.


http://www.getgnulinux.org
http://www.whylinuxisbetter.net
http://www.fsf.org
http://www.gnu.org

Fuck RIAA,M$,MP3AAA,DRM,Software Patents :x

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Submitted by Cloaked Lurker (not verified) on Wed, 2008-01-23 04:33.

crap vista rocks ppl hate change stick with old xp then ! clunk

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Be a Human

Submitted by C S R (not verified) on Tue, 2008-01-22 17:32.

These UNIX supporters' saying that there are problems with Windows that UNIX OSs' don't have suggest
us an Analogy :

"It is safer, easier, cheaper, simpler to go to a Brothel rather than marrying someone"

Those mindless & inhuman beasts may feel so, but they are brain washing us Windows user to follow suit.

The wind blows the harshly at those who stand strongly.

"We may need patience. Some problems may arise & some wounds cannot be healed quickly. They must
be given time. In the meantime, we can appreciate the new capabilities we are developing, such as the
capacity to mourn and the willingness to accept. Let us share our losses and triumphs with each other, for
that is how we gather courage..."

Microsoft is like a One-Man Army opposed by hundreds of idiots.

It is impossible for anyone or anything to achieve 100% efficiency.


All OSs' try to achieve that, the truth is that Microsoft Windows is the one at the top of the achievers. But
these idiots make people believe that Microsoft is just crap & UNIX OSs' don't even know how to host
viruses. How??? Many people don't get this Point.

These idiots with infinite Distros hide the flaws of UNIX & hold the few problems of Windows against a
single company Microsoft.

I will never in my life say that or will never agree with any one else saying that UNIX
is just crap. The same goes for Microsoft. Both these options have problems. But, why should these who
understood Microsoft wrongly wants others to do so as well.

"We have two kinds of fears. One is a fear that whatever is going on is going to go on forever. It’s just
not true -- nothing goes on forever. The other is the fear that, even if it doesn’t go on forever, the pain of

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whatever is happening will be so terrible we won’t be able to stand it. There is a gut level of truth about
this fear. It would be ridiculous to pretend that in our lives, in these physical bodies, which can hurt very
much, and in relationships that can hurt very much, there aren’t some very, very painful times. Even so, I
think we underestimate ourselves. Terrible as times may be, I believe we can stand them; as humans we
should be"

"Because we become frightened as soon as a difficult mind state blows into the mind, we start to run
away from it. We try to change it, or we try to get rid of it. The frenzy of the struggle makes the mind
state even more unpleasant, we may get instant relief but a final blow awaits us. It's like jumping out of a
plane without parachutes for the Excitement, it will be so Refreshing but there will be that inevitable
blackout awaiting you"

These Linux Distros can change versions, debug, update, correct their problems overnight cause it's like a
cool drink made in a local drinks shop, where it's taste & quality can be quickly changed & we get them
at low price. But Microsoft Windows is like say the Pepsi or the Coco-Cola, where they try to maintain
very high quality, do comprehensive researches & revisions, which may take some time.

"Nothing in life is to be feared, or throwed, it is only to be understood. Now is the time to understand
more, so that we may fear less about Windows"

Vista is not a completely bloated OS, it is loved by some people and hated by some people. The same
goes for any other products in this world.

So, what i want to say is that use whatever OS you use. But, don't try to force it on others, don't just say
that the multi-$dollar researches of Microsoft is simply of no use against those people working to make
the Distros of UNIX. As humans we must do this. Respect everyone's efforts.

Pardon me if you don't agree with my thoughts or if my thoughts hurts you.


Please, don't start a discussion or a website having biased views about any company.
Always, respect the work they do.

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Re: Be a Human

Submitted by MKingsley (not verified) on Fri, 2008-02-01 16:58.

Whilst I agree that there are security problems with any Operating System, my displeasure with Microsoft
has little or nothing to do with the quality of their software. (On my personal laptop, I run a linux distro)
My Disappointment has to do with the view Microsoft takes to the consumer.
Windows vista does claim to give High Definition content to end users, however, this content is so

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wrapped up in security and DRM, it is screaming two messages:


To the computer cracker, it is almost a dare, saying: "I am hidden in some of Microsoft's most secure
code, try to find me"
To the end user, who may not know the difference between a hacker and a cracker, the message from
Microsoft is this: "No user can be trusted with intellectual property" (in essence, I believe this was
number 33 on the list).
I resent the fact that Microsoft does not trust its consumers!

Also, in a free market (i.e. a capitalism where monopolies are not allowed to exist), competition is what
drives innovation. Very few people would say that Microsoft has any real competition in the OS market.
This seems to have led to stagnant development of Windows, Office, and Internet Explorer.
With the introduction of Open Source, Microsoft now has a competitor that cannot be bought out. This is
why I personally support Open Source (because of the innovations it brings into the market).

One final note: The most dangerous security hole in any operating system is the End User. Running Unix
doesn't mean you are untouchable (from any hackers) any more than running windows paints a big red
target on your machine. If the End User does not exhibit intelligence in what he/she clicks on or runs,
the computer will be vulnerable.

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Submitted by bszlachta on Tue, 2008-01-29 13:11.

"Respect everyone's efforts."

In a big, context-less picture, that's an admirable sentiment. Still, come on – there's a place in the world
for parody, poking fun, and – the real matter here – legitimate complaint. A huge corporation spent a
fortune and many years developing a product, hyping it wildly throughout years of delays, and hyping it
even more ("The Wow Starts Now"! "100 Reasons You'll Be Speechless"!) upon release. And... some
people yawn, some people refuse to buy it, other people try it and revile it with some of the strongest
language you've ever seen a tech product generate, thanks to big, real problems with the product. People
are campaigning to have Vista stricken from new computers and replaced with its aged predecessor.

That's not an everyday thing. It's news. And it'd be unrealistic to think that people won't razz the big-
talking creator of such a flop, or that purchasers burned by a bad product won't shout and yell a bit.
People are doing what people do normally. (The folks at MS are big boys and girls, and can take
complaints from angry customers. In fact, they're used to it.)

BUT, you completely shoot down your appeal to gentlemanly respect anyway, in a post that has "Always,

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respect the work they do" preceded by rants against people as "mindless & inhuman beasts" and "idiots".

My friend, you have issues! (But I do dig the beat-poetry-like philosophical natterings mixed in there.
Tony Robbins? Deepak Chopra?)

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Submitted by Howard (not verified) on Mon, 2008-01-21 22:52.

I've dealt with people like this before. He has got nothing to do all day then to gather all this stupid
information from stupid people who don't know how to operate a computer. Hey! Why don't you jokers
go all the way back to Windows 95 while your at it...

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good call

Submitted by Cloaked Lurker (not verified) on Mon, 2008-01-21 21:59.

great article, i love it.


ms has an agenda and they are pusing it through, call it drm , lock in content, drm embedded tech for hd
content, packets of data sent to redmond every 10 whatever you call it, it just stinks . all ms are going to
do is improve that so we don't notice it as much. as for the user experience that will now always be 2ndry.

if i was running a company or governemnt outside the usa i would not use it ,though if i was american i
would expect a company like ms to be farming data for national advantage, it goes without saying.

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Re: good call

Submitted by bszlachta on Tue, 2008-01-29 13:19.

I, too, have always been surprised by the readiness of foreign governments to rely upon a company from
a foreign land – a very geopolitically sensitive one, at that – to supply a component as critical, and as

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fraught with potential for intelligence-related mischief, as a ubiquitously-deployed operating system.

Even if, in an imaginary world, the product were reliable and the supplier were reputable and law-
abiding, it would still surprise me. Oh well, it's hardly the most inexplicable thing governments do.

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Submitted by Jack (not verified) on Sun, 2008-01-20 22:33.

I own an IT support organization. We naturally needed to train for Vista. We were not happy with it. The
most common complaints are speed issues and connectivity issues. While MS likes to talk about
optimizations that they made to speed things up with each version, we speed test them. Each version of
NT has been slower than the previous version. It's been that way since it was known as portable OS/2
LAN Manager. Unless you transition old PCs to a new operating system, it doesn't matter, since
computers gain processing power at a faster rate. Vista's speed issues are different; it is more like hangs
for awhile and goes again. This frustrates the common office user. Another problem is it runs engineering
software between 10 and 100 times slower, if it runs it at all. It has similar issues with some games. If it
was only 25% slower, nobody would care. Other problems are email and internet connections. Another
issue that may or may not be related is VPN issues. Another issue is stability. Another problem is
companies have software investments that they do not want to get rid of or update. They've encountered a
lot of resistance to accept Vista by web application developers. The problem there is Internet Explorer 7.
The developers need Internet Explorer 6 to test with because of its market share, and it is the worst
browser known to man. Thus they need IE 6 for testing purposes. To address this, Microsoft offered a
free seat of Virtual PC and XP that installs with IE6. The IE6 market share situation has actually
worsened slightly. We've seen IE 7 go backwards in market share. Recent patches require digital
signatures on software, like Vista does, and larger businesses have lots of mission oriented software that
are not digitally signed. They have downgraded to IE6 to remove the digital signature requirement, but
according to our web stats, it appears the real benefactor for internet browsing has been FireFox.

We had more customers with Vista machines during the spring of 2007 than we have today. There are
more PCs available from OEMs with XP today than there was in the spring of 2007. Vista caused a flurry
of sales for us by smaller businesses because they didn't have VLAs and they were concerned they soon
wouldn't be able to get XP. It's the first OS from MS where you get support to downgrade with an OEM
license. One of our specialties is supporting large tier-1 automotive suppliers. They all have volume
licensing, their own IT departments, and have one thing in common, zero seats of Vista.

Over the years we've seen less and less of the Mac in business. We know of one highly successful
company that designs packaging that uses them, but they have been using them since before Windows
could do that type of work, and that's all they do. Personally, I'm not crazy about the Mac. If they had

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stayed with the FreeBSD kernel, their machines would be performing much better today. Contrary to the
hype, Safari is dog slow, on Windows or a Mac, and has Mac's inferior font rendering means fonts need
to be larger in order to read them. We had to work around that issue for our e-commerce sites. Our
website stats reveal that a lot of Mac users are not using Safari. While we don't see Macs in business
much, we know of users that have them at home. In every instance we know of, the reason they cite for
having a Mac is they bought a PC with Vista. They either brought the PC back, sold it, or gave it away,
and bought a Mac. In every case, they are very happy with their Macs. Vista is Mac's best salesman.
Whether for business or home, over the past year the number of Mac users on our web sites has doubled
from ~3% to ~6%.

Most people, including myself, expected more from Vista after a 5 year investment. Similarly, the
industry had much higher expectations for IE7. In both cases, some of the new features that were
perceived to be the main reason for the upgrade, were not delivered in the final product. However, it is
possible that Microsoft's purpose for the upgrades was more about starting with a platform with all
security fixes put in, and make some changes that they couldn't make to the original installs. You
wouldn't want to patch NT4 to Vista using 20 service packs and 150 security fixes. They also have no
viable competitor for the desktop, and may have chosen to spend their time targeting other areas. In the
vast majority of cases, they still get paid for either XP or Vista, no matter which OS the user decides to
buy or downgrade to.

It's unarguable that releasing Vista in its current state was a mistake. They would be in an indefensible
position to attempt to call any product a success that doubles their competition's market share. For the
first time, a high percentage of large companies have indicated that they have no intention of moving to
Vista, ever, and would wait for whatever follows Vista. Former customers had to buy all new software
and drivers to switch to another platform, so no one can point to existing software incompatibility or
drivers as being the sole issue. If the continued sale of XP licenses and a downgrade path had not been
implemented, the situation would have been worse. The PC's main performance detractor is the number
of viruses it needs to check for, thus adding UAC and code signing makes sense from a technical
standpoint. However, after implementing those annoyances, there is still such a speed reduction that a 4
year old computer runs better than a new one, combine that with stability issues, software
incompatibilities, and connectivity issues, Microsoft created a situation that has caused a large scale
mutiny. Some former customers found relief in other platforms, and the transition to a new environment
less painful than staying. Many more standardized on XP. To power such a movement requires extreme
frustration on a large scale. It would probably be safe to assume that things have been shaken up inside
Microsoft and that they are taking steps to address the current debacle.

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Submitted by Chris (not verified) on Fri, 2008-01-18 04:33.

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I've been a Mac user since before Windows existed, and it's always been easy to use (even the oft-
maligned Leopard has given me few problems — none of them real). Well, someone gave me VMWare
Fusion (virtualization software) for Christmas and soon after, someone else gave me a free copy of XP
Professional, so I set up an XP VM, and I've had fun with it, kind of like one might have fun with a
Tamagotchi. In other words, it was irritating. Then, the search for SP 2 would have driven me insane had
it not been for the bottle of Johnnie Walker being within reach.

My point is this: If XP was a headache just to run on a virtual machine as a secondary OS, and people
consider it to be better than Vista, then Vista ought to be stamped with the following warning label:

ALL HOPE ABANDON, YE WHO ENTER HERE.

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Submitted by Cloaked Lurker (not verified) on Sat, 2008-01-19 03:44.

Vista is a big improvement over XP. I think you'll find most complaints against Vista are invalid (e.g.
system requirements - I've run Vista HP on an old machine with an Athlon XP2200 processor and
512MB RAM with a rubbish old graphics card and it ran perfectly fine.)

I suggest if you want to make a true comparison use a dedicated PC not a 'virtual' PC running on a Mac.

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Submitted by bszlachta on Sat, 2008-01-19 02:25.

Johnnie Walker and Jim Beam: My own personal Geek Squad for times of computer trouble. : )

Sorry to hear that your XP experience was a bad one. On the other hand, I think people will ask, fairly
enough, whether the added layer of virtualization is at least partly at fault. (I don't know; I don't yet have
VMWare or its sort to play around with.)

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Re: Anything but Speechless: 100 Things People Are Really Saying

Submitted by Cloaked Lurker (not verified) on Wed, 2008-01-16 20:28.

Remember the headaches 95 gave us when it was green? Now look at 98/se/xp/vista. Beginning to see the
trend? Amusing article in the simple fact that so many people have yet to realize that OS releases from
Microsoft have never gone smooth. It literally takes about a year or two until an OS becomes "fully"
compatible, take a mental note.

I suggest to all, that dual booting xp/vista be the norm for past, present and future endeavors.

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Submitted by bszlachta on Thu, 2008-01-17 02:22.

No doubt, many of the distressed users are people who should have waited for later versions before
jumping aboard. Only those willing to take the risks should adopt early. (Then again, we can't entirely
blame the buyers, when MS is/was doing its darndest to make Vista the only choice for new PC buyers,
as well as shouting to the world "it's ready,
it's great, buy buy buy!".)

Then there are more experienced folks who, like you, know that a brand-new MS OS is not going to run
smoothly. They may have known what they were getting into, and gave it a shot anyway. As such, they
perhaps have to place a little "I should have known better" blame on themselves. Still, if they want to
raise a ruckus of complaints, curses, and general anti-Vista noise to let off steam and warn other potential
adopters – well, I say that as people who paid big bucks for an under-performing product, they have every
right to!

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a very clever answer

Submitted by luke skywalker (not verified) on Tue, 2008-01-15 21:22.

guys...i'm not supporting microsoft...but if you don't like vista or any other product of Microsoft...why are
you using them????it's simple...change it!!!and don't think about them more...

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Submitted by bszlachta on Wed, 2008-01-16 09:49.

"If you don't like Vista, or any product of Microsoft, or any product of anybody, don't use it." Sounds
good to me!

I'm not sure exactly who the "guys" you address are, though. Whoever they may be, let me note:

Lots of general users complaining about Vista indeed should change to something else, as you suggest.

Lots of users complaining about Vista are changing to something else, or have done so already. (Those
un-switchers have been quite an eyebrow-raiser in the Vista story.)

Finally, if you're suggesting that people just make the change without so much danged complaining, that's
probably good advice for lots of people, but the many reporters quoted in the article will have to forego
that suggestion. If they tried a product, disliked it, and quietly switched away without a word, they
wouldn't be doing much of a job as reporters! : )

Thanks for the feedback.

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Submitted by Derek Email how much you think i'm a moron columbia747@gmail (not verified) on Sat,
2008-01-12 01:20.

Wow... This artical sucks, Vista is not bad, it is perfectly stable, it starts up fast enough on my pentium 4
2.8, with 2 gigs of ram, and a ati radion x1650. People who think it starts slow must be running it at the
bear minimum. And the application breaking, Vista don't do it, your application does, I don't know about
you but I haven't had a problem in vista. And about the OMFG this desktop is slow, TURN OF AREO
FUCTARD!!! (yeah, I probly spelled areo rong, and alot of other words)
Fuck You Morons
Derek
Email me about how much you think i'm a moron Columbia747@gmail.com (I will make fun of you

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Submitted by bszlachta on Sat, 2008-01-12 02:38.

Thanks for setting things straight, Derek! Hold up while I draft a memo:

Dear Wall Street Journal, PC World, CNET, Business Week, USA Today, Forbes, Computer World, BBC,
and other Esteemed Idiots,

It's come to my attention that Derek has not yet noticed any problems with Vista. Therefore, the problems
you have reported do not exist. Also, note that you need to turn off areo, at a bear minimum*, to avoid
fuctardship and other things that are rong in your articals.

Please print immediate retractions to your reports of Vista problems. I will close here, as I have other
pressing matters: I must pen polemics against the Red Cross and similar "aid" organizations who are
making irresponsible noises about "hunger" and "food shortages" and such nonsense, when all evidence
clearly indicates that Derek has a full stomach.

Yours,

B. Szlachta

* a cub.

That ought to do it. Thanks again, D. I think we make a good team!

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Submitted by Cloaked Lurker (not verified) on Wed, 2008-01-23 14:12.

Dear god bszlachta, I hate you. I was eating an apple when I read your reply and laughed so much it came
out of my nose. I've still got bits of it stuck in here. That was abso-freaking-lutely hilarious.

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Submitted by bszlachta on Tue, 2008-01-29 13:28.

It was the cub that did it, right?

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Submitted by Howard (not verified) on Tue, 2008-01-22 01:29.

Oh, your one of those people that has to rely on the "experts" for your opinion. Well Here ya go!
I can play this game too... :)

Walt Mossberg, All things Digital also Wall Street Journal

But I also said it was “worthy,” and better than prior versions of Windows, because
it has a stronger security system under the hood and better integrated
searching...Buying XP will likely result in fewer frustrations in the short run.
But buying Vista may be the better choice for the long run. Over time, more and
more products will be released that are tailored to the new system.

http://ptech.allthingsd.com/20071018/some-basic-features-you-should-demand-when-buying-a-pc/

PC World

Nearly half of businesses are in some phase of preparing to update desktops to


Windows Vista, with small businesses moving the fastest to implement the OS,
according to a xreport released last week.

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/141569/

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small_businesses_switch_to_vista_fastest_study_says.html

Business Week

One of the major trends we see for next year is continuing strength in PC-related
revenues, reflecting major new hardware and software offerings, appealing pricing,
and strong international demand, said Scott Kessler, head of technology equity
research. We think enterprise spending growth will remain solid, aided by the
continuing adoption of Microsoft's (MSFT) Vista operating system through 2008.

http://www.businessweek.com/investor/content/dec2007/pi20071213_078376.htm?chan=search

Cnet

Just under half--48 percent--of IT decision makers in the U.S. are using or
evaluating Vista, according to a poll by IT services firm CDW. CDW's third Windows
Vista tracking poll since October 2006, this survey shows a 19 percentage-point
increase in adoption since February 2007.

http://www.news.com/Poll-Businesses-in-U.S.-warm-to-Vista/2100-1016_3-6226572.html?tag=item

USA Today

Benjamin Gray, an analyst for Forrester Research, said businesses will upgrade to
Vista regardless, to "stay current with Microsoft's support life cycle."

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/products/software/2007-11-30-xp-vista_n.htm

Forbes

The world's fastest Vista notebook... is a Mac. At least, it is according to PC


World, which tested a new 17-inch MacBook Pro and discovered that when it's running
Windows Vista, it outperforms every other notebook they've tested.

http://blogs.forbes.com/digitaldownload/2007/10/the-worlds-fast.html

Computer World

But how can a major new version of Microsoft Windows not be compelling? That's the
conundrum of Windows Vista. The vision behind Vista was in many ways about laying
the groundwork for the future. So it could well be that the benefits will play out
over time. In the meantime, the two big selling points are presentation and security.

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BBC

Many of the changes put into Vista, such as the Aero interface, are obvious from
the moment you first switch the machine on.
Other changes are more subtle but could make it less of a chore to navigate around
the Windows operating system.
A good example of this is the refinements Microsoft has made to Windows Explorer
that many people use as their main way to navigate around their computer. -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6160327.stm

Ha Ha - Bite me suckers!

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Submitted by bszlachta on Tue, 2008-01-29 13:44.

Well, I must say that I think the quotes fit nicely here. They talk positively about Vista (other than the
odd-man-out bit about a Mac running Vista faster than a PC runs Vista) – but where's the real praise?
Nobody there owns up to liking it. There are some lukewarm pointers to improvements over
predecessors, and dry numbers showing how some (not a lot of) companies will eventually move on to
Vista... apparently not for reasons involving productivity or value, but to "stay current with Microsoft's
support life cycle." Hoo boy, somebody grab the fire hose, Vista fever is ignitin'!

Jokes aside, I understand and appreciate the gist of your message, and I don't doubt that one can find
gushing, ebullient plaudits for Vista out there too. (Like those right here in some of the comments.) Or
that an enterprising soul could crank out a "100 Wonders of Vista" article. (Why, come to think of it, the
first thing I linked to was precisely such an article, the "100 Reasons You'll be Speechless" list! Of
course, Microsoft had to go and write it themselves... : )

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Submitted by Cloaked Lurker (not verified) on Sat, 2008-01-19 03:53.

But he's right. The main problems with Vista are caused by two things:

1) software manufacturers not heeding Microsoft's standards and deliberately not making their software
Windows ready so they can now ship Vista-capable versions. The software manufacturers have known
for years that Vista will not allow software to run if it 'breaks the rules' of the OS. They chose to ignore
this despite its benefit to the end user (more stable, secure computer).

2) Hardware manufacturers being slow to update drivers for Vista. This is mostly not an issue any more,
but many manufacturers have simply refused to make new drivers for hardware more than a few years
old. Should they be expected to? That's a grey area.

I personally am running two machines with Vista and both are pretty much problem free. I did have some
driver issues, but the HARDWARE MANUFACTURERS updated their drivers. Vista was not the issue.

A few performance issues have been worked out via Windows Update...but when Windows is running on
90%+ of all computers in the world, of course it's going to be a bit hit and miss with compatibility.

And 1 year on I'm still finding little features in Vista that I didn't know about but that make my
computing more effective and efficient.

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The new White Screen of Death

Submitted by Justin Breithaupt (not verified) on Thu, 2008-01-10 09:01.

Just the other day I was working on a new ASUS Laptop I sold a customer when I booted Vista Home
Premium for the first time. I got a full white screen with the word ERROR in big red letters the size of the
screen. Never saw this one before but thought it was funny. Then after that when we booted into Vista
opening IE7 froze the computer every time. So we decided to install Firefox and that fixed the problem.

I don't use XP or Vista. I use Ultumix. www.mindblowingidea.com/Ultumix


It even has a demo video on the site as well. It includes the top 21 games of 2007 and much much more.
You won't be disappointed. There is a group of users dedicated to helping you for free.

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Submitted by bszlachta on Thu, 2008-01-10 10:23.

Hmm, a little sad when a new install of an OS won't run its own bundled browser.

I checked your Ultumix page. I haven't used it, so I make no claims or recommendation here to readers –
caveat emptor! – but I'll take the chance to note something fantastic about open-source software: you, an
individual, have put together your own version of an OS, with specific features aimed at specific needs.
This OS certainly won't be a solution for every user out there, but for some, it may fill a need just as well
as, or even better than, an expensive, proprietary (and unstable, DRM-laden, insecure, etc. etc.) offering
that took an army of people many years and millions of dollars to cobble together.

The "Wow!" starts now, indeed. But it mostly sports a penguin tux or leopard skins.

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Submitted by Cloaked Lurker (not verified) on Sat, 2008-01-19 04:07.

So ignorant...

Are you saying that Windows is DRM laden? Nonsense. Stop reading anti-Microsoft propoganda and
look into the facts (there are several articles out there debunking the nonsense that some clown in New
Zealand tried to pass off as credible information about Windows and DRM. Something like 80% of DRM
content out there is iTunes music, FWIW. DRM is nothing to do with an OS. Vista has built-in
technology to allow Blu-ray/HD DVD to be viewed legally (by supporting the DRM used on those
formats).

Windows in unstable? Nonsense. My Vista machines very rarely have any stability issues, and one of
those runs almost 24/7 and is rebooted only when updating/installing something that requires a reboot.
You sound like you don't actually use Windows, so why make judgements on its performance? Don't
forget that most reports you read online are by the minority who have had bad experiences. There are tens
of millions of Vista computers out there and most are having no issues.

Insecure? Windows's biggest problem here is that it is popular (over 90% of all PCs) so naturally the
hackers, malware writers, etc. are going to target Windows. With a piece of software so complex and with
constant Internet access there are bound to be security issues. This is only partially Microsoft's fault.
Besides, I never have any security issues because I know how to use my computers. The bottom line of

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security is always going to be the person between the chair and the keyboard. Vista has some new
features that make it actually quite difficult for an inexperienced user to damage their PC or OS.

Now none of that means that Mac OS or Linux aren't as good or better than Windows, but the amount of
bad information about Windows is astounding. It's as if people think it's cool to pick on Windows and do
so without having their facts straight. What some Linux fanboy says about Windows is not a relevant
opinion if he hasn't actually put any time into using it.

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Submitted by Linus Jobs (not verified) on Sat, 2008-02-02 17:38.

I was not a mac or a Linux fanboy until after I tried using vista.
We (our family) got a new computer because XP melted our old computer (yes, it overheated).
I expected Vista to be disappointing at the least, and my mom expected it to be be better than XP.
Both of our expectations were shattered (in a bad way).
I am a web developer, so I tried installing Flash and Dreamweaver. Neither worked for more than ten
seconds. I decided to try almost every version of adobe/macromedia's software with no success.
But it was my mom (an average desktop user) who made us switch to Linux: She uses the Office Suite
quite a lot, so we installed that right away. Unfortunately, every time she would try to open an Office
document, it would open in the pre-installed trial version of the latest Office suite instead of the one we
installed ourselves. The CPU was constantly at at least 60% usage when nothing was happening. moving
and resizing windows was choppy. It took ten seconds to load firefox or internet explorer. And it kept
asking me if I really wanted to execute a .exe application, as though clicking it twice wasn't enough.
Needless to say, we couldn't live our lives with Vista. So I put an Ubuntu disk in and rebooted. Within a
few minutes, we had what seemed to be a completely new computer. It ran four times faster, looked four
times sleeker, and was 1,000 times more secure (that is actually a fact: there were 40,000 documented
viruses for windows last year, while only 40 for linux).
My mom can use Linux, a "hacker's" operating system easier than Vista, a "consumer's" operating system.
These are facts AND a user experience.

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I've got a few Windows machines. . . bought my wife a new laptop fitted with Vista. I like to think of
Vista as Mac OSX's mentallay challenged little cousin. It seems to be following the former around, trying
its best but, if it were a high school student, it would be confined to the short bus. Poor Gates does the
best with what he has I suppose. . . it must be like making poop sculptures. :)

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"Mentally challenged little cousin." Heh. I like the image. : )

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Submitted by Cloaked Lurker (not verified) on Mon, 2008-01-07 05:50.

Vista Does Suck!!!! I went back to Windows XP the next day. It wasn't easy finding drivers. But I got my
hp laptop up and running. But needless to say we are all stuck. I know i cant afford a mac. And Linux is
still not so user friendly so what is a guy to do. Apple make a mid-grade mac for like 800.00 with no
monitor. Come on already

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Submitted by bszlachta on Wed, 2008-01-09 04:33.

Ubuntu is plenty friendly, a lot of people are saying, but I myself haven't Ubuntued yet. Have you?

As for Macs: A mid-grade Mac under $800.00, before monitor? Sounds like the Mac mini exactly –
though if that doesn't fit your idea of "mid-range", then your wish remains ungranted.

Macs perform nicely against big-name PCs in price/performance. Still, if Apple were to release
something that could match white-box PCs in price, there'd be many happy shoppers. No sub-$500 Macs

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Submitted by technicalfool (not verified) on Sat, 2008-01-19 00:21.

Quote:
...I myself haven't Ubuntued yet. Have you?

I've Ubuntued for the last year or so now. Kubuntued to be precise; I find KDE to be far more ex-
Windows-user friendly. It works, though I've had a couple of headaches with Nvidia graphics drivers and
laptop sound chipsets in general. If you've an ATI or Intel chipset on a desktop machine you'll probably
fare better.

Mandriva 2008 is also a solid operating system, with compiz (Linux' answer to Aero, and a damned sight
better looking) available straight out of the box. It fired up and works like a charm on my old P4/3ghz
laptop with an ATI IGP Radeon 9000 chipset, and I had zero sound problems. OpenOffice comes with
most distributions, and installing programs can (I stress the word "can") be as easy as selecting the item
from a list, clicking the magic "apply" button and waiting while all sorts of Internet voodoo happens and
the selected application and all supporting libraries are downloaded and installed. Of course if you're a
command-line junkie then you can always "sudo apt-get install " from a terminal emulator, enter your
root password and do things that way.

Problem with Linux right now, as far as home computers go: very few games. This has been partly
complicated by certain graphics card manufacturer's unwillingness to provide either an open source
driver, or specs for an open source driver to be written. As well as that there's a hardcore group of
developers who really don't like that so seem to take pleasure in breaking Nvidia's (oops, did I say the
name?) proprietary drivers with every kernel update.

It's not entirely bleak though. There's plenty of free games downloadable as packages, however as
excellent as something like X Moto is, it's hardly a festival of eye candy. One or two publishers out there
(notably Epic and ID Software) do make Linux ports of their flagship titles (the Unreal Tournament and
Doom series, respectively), and CCP have just released a Cedega-powered port of Eve Online, so there
may be some good news around the corner. A while ago ATI released specs and a reference driver to the
open source community for their latest graphics chipsets, leaving Nvidia as the only major GPU
manufacturer to not have open drivers, and the choice for the determined Linux gamer an obvious one.
However don't go to Linux expecting to be able to run most of the software you might get from the shelf
in a computer store. Same with a lot of other familiar applications. There are free alternatives, but
someone versed in , say, Photoshop probably wants to use Photoshop, not The GIMP.

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Right now, a Linux distribution with OpenOffice and maybe Thunderbird/Firefox would be absolutely
perfect for an office where you just want a cheap machine that writes letters, runs spreadsheets and "does
the Internet" with a minimum of hassle. It's more than capable of running mission-critical services
(Google think so anyway, and they index over 8 billion web pages using software that runs on... Linux),
so if you're the sort of business that has a SQL and/or web server running in a back room somewhere,
you'd be mad not to use open-source software.

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Submitted by bszlachta on Sat, 2008-01-19 02:43.

Thanks for the detailed info on a major alternative which – I fully agree – more people should consider.

I've installed a few distros in the past to poke around on, and would love to try some of the newer, fancier
ones like Ubuntu. Alas, the only Intel-compatible machine I have around is a Gateway laptop circa 1999
(sporting, from the start, the creakiest, flimsiest, cheap plastic build I've ever seen on a machine –
unrelated to the topic, but I had to let it out). I've tried a couple different Ubuntu builds, and it seems the
two just won't get along; no installation. Oh well, I'm sure I'll have another chance soon with different
hardware.

Your points on gaming needs and office needs are well taken. In fact, for me, that's always been one of
the mysteries surrounding Windows. When an office needs to choose higher-end computers for
productivity and low maintenance, OS X kicks Windows-anything out the door, IMHO. When an office
needs just the basics for rank-and-file machines – browsing, email, and word processing – GNU/Linux
machines look fantastic, at a cost that can't be beat.

Games are where you really want a Windows machine (should you go the route of a PC, not a console);
the other platforms can't touch it in availability of games and gamer hardware.

Which is where the mystery comes in for me: How did the business world let itself be talked into
adopting a gaming platform as its standard? Amazing.

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Submitted by Technicalfool (not verified) on Mon, 2008-02-18 16:59.

Quote:

Which is where the mystery comes in for me: How did the business world let itself be talked into
adopting a gaming platform as its standard? Amazing.

My theory:

PCs are brought out as business machines.

People use them at work.

PCs drop in price, getting lower and lower, with things like real sound cards and graphics cards coming
out for them. They begin to be able to do everything the Amiga (the home computer of the era) can do
and more. And, eventually, at a lower price.

So people buy PCs, partly because they do everything the business computer does and they are used to it,
and partly because there are a good few games coming out using all this flashy gubbins. Plus it just
_looks_ more like a serious piece of kit. That big box with the humming fan, whirring hard drive (A
HARD DRIVE, OH MY GAWD!) and dedicated monitor. Really, why would you ever want to run
something plugged into your television via some crappy RF cable ever again?

The rest I suppose is history. Microsoft make the de facto operating system, which plenty of other people
clone (Dr DOS, PC DOS..), so it all continues from there. Come Windows 95, the operating system is big
enough that you can't realistically clone it with anywhere near 100% compatibility (ReactOS ain't all that
good), and if you don't have Windows, you're stuck in a minority that nobody really cares about or makes
products for.

So it's not so much a gaming platform, as the only platform people really know about. That said, if Linux
ever made it as a workstation OS (as DOS once was), I could see the same thing happening with the
Penguin. That wouldn't be too bad.

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Submitted by Apple Hater! (not verified) on Sun, 2008-01-06 23:56.

I do too like vista. There is a faster search (yes, even faster than apple's), Aero Glass, and much more
wonderful features. I don't have time or else I would refute every single one of your so called pieces of

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