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Étienne Guillé: The vibrational energy of the cell


27 Oct 2010

(Journal 3 e Millennium. Old Series. N o 3. July-August 1982)


The set of characteristics of these vibrational energies makes it possible to define what a level of consciousness is. And
the study of these levels shows us that we use only a tiny part of our potential. There is the possibility of a spiritual
mutation .
After having noted the importance of the role played in our DNA by metals ( n ° 1 ) and studied the space which contained
and the matter and the spirit ( n ° 2 ), Étienne Guillé goes further in this article. For him, the vibrational energies of cells
are modifiable. The higher their intensity, the higher the level of consciousness of the individual. For the moment, there are
few who can trigger this intensification, generally obtained through meditation or deep relaxation. But tomorrow ? Mutants
will have the will and the possibility to do so, they will initiate their entourage and little by little, slowly, a great spiritual
mutation will lead to interior enlightenment through the knowledge of being in all lucidity, in all freedom.
The word dowsing comes from the Latin radius which means radius and from the Greek esthesia which means sensitivity.  A
dowser can therefore be characterized as being sensitive to the waves or vibrations emitted by any body, whether solid,
liquid, or gaseous. The use of the dowsing rod, considered as an art of rhabdomancy, has been known since ancient times. So
a few thousand years before the Christian era, the Chinese used the wand in particular to search for groundwater.
The dowsing proper came into being when the pendulum was used as a detection device.  In fact, like the wand, it is only an
amplifier of reactions of the human organism. Dowsing can therefore be defined as the set of techniques for detecting and
measuring the "waves" (or "vibrations") of beings or objects, thanks to their action on the human organism.  This definition
immediately raises two problems: What is the nature of the vibrations emitted by the tested objects and what reactions do
they produce on the organism making it possible to differentiate them from each other and even to quantify them? These
techniques are used not only for the research of groundwater and mineral and petroleum deposits but also to describe the
physiological and especially pathological state of a living being: plant, animal and human. Detection can be done directly on
the object or being considered, but it can be performed remotely using witnesses: geographic maps, photographs, hair,
writings, etc.
The sensitivity of determination often exceeds by several orders of magnitude that of the most sophisticated equipment.
Many hypotheses have been put forward to try to give a coherent explanation of the dowsing data and especially to try to
find a rational interpretation of its amazing successes which help to compare it to divination techniques.  Much controversy
has resulted from these two possibilities: is dowsing ahead of contemporary scientific disciplines, or is it just tricks and
quackery since at present it seems impossible to explain it rationally?
To answer these questions, we will show that everything depends on the level of reality that we are analyzing.  Thus, it is
clear that the hyperspecialized branches of the scientific disciplines and in particular of biology do not have access to a level
of synthetic vision that only a method of systems analysis allows to apprehend. They have only a partial vision of the object
they are analyzing and it is practically impossible for them to integrate their results into a coherent vision of the world
whatever it is. On the other hand, the dowsing and astrology, in their original meaning are based on the methodologies of
systemic analysis which make it possible in particular to predict how the system analyzed can evolve taking into account its
state at a given moment, its historicity and its potential.
Demonstration of primordial energies by dowsing techniques:
Raw facts:
We will describe very simple experiments that we can carry out with a classic pendulum by testing the emissions of familiar
objects such as sugar, aspirin, metals etc. To do this, let's draw a circle on a sheet of paper and divide it into four equal
sectors by two perpendicular diameters. We place ourselves in front of this sheet of paper while holding the pendulum in the
right hand (or left if we are left-handed) above the center of the circle.  In the so-called reference conditions, when our left
hand is not close to an object or to be emitting, the movement of the pendulum is a regular beat back and forth, according to
a rhythm characteristic of the individual. In some cases, the reference movement is a circle; moreover, some people seem to
be unable to use a pendulum.
To test the emissions of vibrational energies of a living being, a substance or a form (writing, symbol…), it is enough to
direct the index of the left hand (or right if we are left-handed) towards the object, from 0.5 to 1 cm from this object, while
keeping the pendulum in the right hand above the circle. All the modifications of the movement of the pendulum which we
will now observe will be due to the sum of two types of energies: those which give the reference movement, and those which
are emitted by the object tested: four basic movements can thus be highlighted: stopping, beating in specified directions,
circles and ellipses.

a) Pendulum stop:
Let's point our left index finger at a piece of sugar. The pendulum's movements slow down and it eventually stops beating or
turning. This stop can be symbolized by the dot. This result is obtained with substances which do not trap metals: so-called
chelating substances. This judgment does not correspond to an absence of energy emission by the tested substance. In fact
the energy emitted or the system of forces brought into play is opposed to the one who made the pendulum beat back and
forth.
b) Straight beats:
Let's direct our index to a gold or silver ring. We observe first the stop of the pendulum as in the previous experiment and
then, the pendulum resumes its beating in several directions (6 for gold, 9 for silver) alternating with stops for each
direction. After describing the entire circle, it resumes beating in the first direction. We can symbolize these different
directions by lines intersecting all at the same point: the center of the circle. These rectilinear beats are induced by metals and
metallic salts whether they are crystallized or in solution. In general, the directions of beat depend essentially on the cation
and the individual.
The number and amplitude of the beats in a given direction depend on the anion, the dilution of the metal salt and the natural
treatment or not that the metal has undergone. The variations in the number of beats are particularly spectacular in the case of
homeopathic preparations and in all cases of "energized" solutions.
The directions of the beats which are always 12 in number, are characteristic of the individual who carries out the
experiment: they are correlated with his "true" astral chart which is itself dependent on his genetic heritage.  As a first
approximation, the pendulum analysis suggests that there are only two categories of metals: those which cause a single
deviation of the pendulum and which include in particular the alkalis, the alkaline-earths, lithium, etc… and those which
cause several deviations of the pendulum. The latter are typically alchemical metals: Pb, Sn, Fe, Au, Cu, Hg, Ag, Sb, and
some others: Zn, Cd, Mn, Ni, Co, Bi, Pt, etc… whose number of deviations goes from 3 to 12.
c) The pendulum describes a circle:
Now let's test a substance such as aspirin, which is a chelating substance, salicylic acid, but which does not contain bound
metals in the usual pharmaceutical preparation. The pendulum describes a circle which according to the individuals will turn
either in the direction of the needles of a watch, or in the opposite direction.
Let's do an additional experiment by coupling experiments b and c and now approach our thumb to the metal of experiment
b, we will gradually see the circle transform into an ellipse whose direction will be the first direction of the tested metal.  And
we will successively see 6 ellipses for gold and 9 ellipses for silver. And after a full circle of this "magic wheel", we will start
again. In this experiment, we will in fact have achieved in us the synthesis of two types of energy emitted by aspirin and the
metal tested.
d) The pendulum describes an ellipse:
These ellipsoidal movements are obtained with chelating molecules that have fixed the metal.  The direction of the axis of the
ellipse will define us and the metal and the vibration involved in this energy. Generally, this is the first vibration of the
metal. Two additional pieces of information about the amplitude of the vibration are given to us by the size of the axis of the
ellipse and by the number of ellipses in a given direction. When the metal is thus fixed to a chelating molecule, it no longer
deflects the pendulum except in one direction when it could have up to 12 in the state of metal or ion.
Interpretations:
These elementary experiences show that the movements and deviations of the pendulum are not random.  They obey strict
laws, an order as illustrated by the 12 deviations from the personalized grid [1] . If we succeed in quantifying the
displacements of the pendulum, they will become usable to describe the characteristics of the vibratory energies emitted by
the tested object. We have seen that three criteria can be used to describe the deviations of the pendulum: the nature and the
number of directions D, the number N and the amplitude A of the beats (or circles or ellipses) in each direction. We can also
measure the time required for each operation, not forgetting the downtime between each change of direction.
The pendulum is only an amplifier of the vibrations that the experimenter receives and transmits in the different parts of his
body. The accuracy of the results will depend on the reliability of the reception and transmission of the signals transmitted by
the structure tested. In the case of the experience described above, the vibrations emitted by the object will modify the energy
potential of the acupuncture points of our left index finger. The disturbance thus created will follow the acupuncture
meridians, it will be transformed in the pituitary gland, the pineal gland and the adrenals, and finally by the nerves, muscles
and capillary network of the thumb and right index finger, it will be amplified at the pendulum. The system of forces that
constitute the initial vibrations will be transformed into pendulum movements.
In general, we have shown that if we isolate the object we are testing well from other neighboring emitting objects, if we
correctly select the frequency range and if we do not exercise mental control, we obtain facts perfectly reproducible [2] .
Generalization: application to the vibrational energy of living cells:
The personalized grid discovered using metals or metallic solutions applies to all objects, beings and structures that emit
vibrational energy. All these transmitters will deflect the pendulum in one to twelve directions which are the 4 of Sulfur and
the 8 of Mercury [1]. Thus, it is easy to find colors, scents, sounds, flavors, areas of the skin or mucous membranes which
cause deviations of the pendulum identical in direction and in number to those which we have described for metals. The only
differences between these various vibrations are the number of beats, the amplitudes of each beat, and the direction in which
they begin or end. We can deduce that all our senses are programmed on the same vibrational pattern,
This method can be extended to all kinds of organizational levels: metals, molecules, cells, plants, animals and humans.  In
these last three cases, we find the attribution of such being to a planet or luminary, from the Moon to Saturn (cf. Fig.
I). Currently, we have only one human example vibrating in harmony with the planet Pluto (12 directions).  In the case of
humans, their writing or their saliva vibrate in the same directions as them.  In humans the levels N4 to N32 correspond
respectively to the physical, etheric, astral body and to the Ego [1]. During the sleep state, levels 24, 32 and higher are not
detectable in the immediate vicinity of the body.
In the case of living matter, three essential points should be noted: the vibratory properties of DNA molecules, the number of
beats in a determined direction and the evolution of the amplitude of these beats.
- We find the manifestations of these vibrational energies at the level of all colloids and in particular of DNA.  There are thus
DNA sequences which stop the beating of the pendulum, which deviates it in a circle or an ellipse in two possible directions
or which deviates it in one to twelve directions described above. It is significant in the latter case, that they are the same ones
which constitute the repeated sequences of the constitutive heterochromatic, subjected to the processes of tele-action.  They
are also likely to contain the “alchemical” metals which themselves deflect the pendulum in the same directions. The
existence of these same vibrations on all kinds of scales of reality gives us a glimpse of this response process which allows
us to approach the understanding of the harmony of the Universe.
- According to the material which we test, we obtain numbers N characteristic of beats in each direction.  These values are
respectively 8, 16, 24 and 32 for metals, plants, animals and humans. In the case of an injured plant, we only have 2 beats
left. It is symptomatic to note that the first four values are multiples of eight, and therefore the vibrational energy varies
discontinuously. It is possible to reach higher levels of vibration: 40, 48, 56 and even 112 during states of meditation for
example. The maximum limit currently reached is 152 beats (19 x 8), when we use for example a Laskovski circuit made up
of 7 metals.
- The study of variations in the amplitudes of the pendulum during each beat is also very revealing, but it poses technical
problems for its measurement. With the help of a writing pendulum, a camera or photocells, it is possible to demonstrate that
the amplitude variations are quite comparable on the energetic level to those which exist in magic squares and in the
palindromic structures of DNA.
Application of the systems analysis method to the study of the vibrational energy of living matter:
The energetic state of a system can be by its potential related to a standard state.  Potential is defined thermodynamically as a
tendency to do work. For example, the measurement of the chemical potential of water (called water potential), makes it
possible to explain how water penetrates from the ground into the roots by absorption at the level of the absorbent hairs, goes
up in the stem and leaves the leaves at the level stomata evaporating into the atmosphere. In all these compartments, water
can passively pass from the highest potential to the lowest potential.
In the case of charged ions or molecules, the concept of chemical potential is introduced.  With the help of a certain number
of laws such as those of Nernst, it is possible to determine the distribution of charges at equilibrium on either side of the
membranes which constitute the framework of all cells. At the level of the plasma membrane there is a potential difference of
the order of - 90 mV: it is called transmembrane ddp. It varies during the different phases of cell life and depends on
physiological and / or pathological characteristics. The transmembrane potential becomes zero when the cell dies. A potential
gradient therefore exists between the different parts of a being. This gradient is one of the energy factors responsible for cell
exchanges. If the exchange of a substance from one compartment to another, therefore on either side of a membrane, takes
place against the gradient of electrochemical potential, we will see that the cell considered consumes energy to ensure active
transport of the substance. Cell metabolism reactions leading to the synthesis of ATP molecules provide the energy necessary
for this active transport.
Life is strictly dependent on the possibility for the cell to create potential differences at all kinds of levels in the organism
and if the variation in potential can trigger recognition processes for example between DNA and a metal, or a protein and a
metal, it will result in variations in biological rhythms that will more or less reflect cosmic rhythms.
The assays of the different molecules, metals etc ... give only a static vision of what is happening in the cell.  On the other
hand, the measurement of the potential will allow us to describe the tendencies of the particles or charged molecules to move
or to remain in such or such cellular compartment. Thus, the measurements of potential and potential difference provide a
dynamic vision of cellular functioning reflecting the mode of exchange of energy and matter, possibly the rhythms to which
living things are subjected.
The vibrations we measure on the pendulum are also the manifestation of a system of forces, but the forces involved are
variable. They follow a characteristic rhythm by resonance on our own vibrational structures. It is a vibrational potential
which, in the case of living cells, is part of the cellular potential. It is established by a subtle balance between matter and
energy. The different forms of energy "animate" living matter: it is subject to regulatory processes depending on the state of
the vibratory supports subjected to energies of lower and higher levels [3] .
At the beginning of XX th century, many authors have shown that the living organism so simple it may be, is likely to act as a
collector and an emitter of waves [4] . Thus certain animals and plants emit light radiation (glowworm, fungi, micro-
organisms, etc.) and all living organs radiate heat.
The cell can be considered as an oscillating electric circuit element endowed with capacity, self-inductance and electrical
resistance [5] . It is likely to vibrate on a very high oscillation frequency which can vary depending on the constants of the
ionic microenvironment.
We have seen the great role played by colloids (proteins and nucleic acids) and by metals in achieving this energetic state.
At the vibrational scale, life would therefore result from a dynamic balance between the influence of the waves received and
those of the waves emitted: the intersection of the two types of waves being totally dependent on the nature of the vibratory
supports constituting the cells and in particular the nature of the DNA sequences.  The energy balance of an individual will
depend in the first place on the constant maintenance of this oscillatory balance of all the cells which compose it.  If an
oscillatory imbalance arises, if it is maintained, if it is not corrected, and if it touches the vibratory supports essential to life,
organic matter will in turn be disturbed. This will result in impaired functioning of the cell and ultimately death. It is
impossible to permanently change the telluric emissions from the ground and to modify the nature and intensity of cosmic
radiation. On the other hand, it is possible to act on the oscillatory balance of the cells to be able, according to the frequency
and the amplitude of their vibrations, to correct the influence of telluric emissions and cosmic currents and gradually restore
the balance .
The different levels of consciousness
The vibration frequencies received by the experimenter can be correlated to the number of pendulum beats in a given
direction. Depending on the objects tested, we saw that we could reach scales of 2 to 112 beats per direction.
This number of pendulum beats can be correlated with data from electrobiophotography (or Kirlian effect), sensitive
crystallizations, laser Raman, processes of tele-action in DNA and recent information from molecular biology.  The
materialization of the vibratory potential will depend on the nature of the vibratory support: thus the information provided by
the study of water, colloids such as proteins and nucleic acids or the whole being will not concern the same levels vibration
(Fig. 2).
These vibrational energies are therefore measurable: we can define them at the
level of each energetic sphere by their amplitude and their frequency. They vary
in many physiological and pathological conditions. They can be transferred
from vibratory support to vibratory support: our cells do it continuously and this
transfer is one of the fundamental bases of life. The alchemists knew and know
the methods allowing to isolate, to separate and to restructure these
energies. The materialist world is rediscovering them because the facts which
lead to the most sophisticated analytical methods can only be interpreted by
their implementation. Myths, magic and sacred rites are essentially based on the
description of these energies,
We can say that the set of characteristics of these energies makes it possible to
define what a level of consciousness is. We see this clearly in the case of the
pendulum with the number of beats per direction. We have shown that the
higher the frequencies of vibrations, the larger the field of consciousness: this is
how values of N: 40, 48, 56, 64, etc., are reached during states of meditation.
There are several natural and artificial methods to increase the field of consciousness: the use of psychedelic substances is a
good illustration of this. R. Gordon Wasson [6]suggests that the soma of the Aryans sung in the hymns of the Rig Veda, in the
second millennium BC, is in fact fly agaric (Amanita muscuria) which contains several psychedelic substances.  This fungus
grows in mycorrhizal relationship with certain trees including birch. And the author concludes "Is not the tree of life the
legendary birch and the forbidden fruit of the tree of life what is it other than the soma, the fly agaric, the flesh of God… ”It
is significant that the birch vibrates at N24 like the animals while the plants are at N16 and this result may be related to its
sacred character, the peoples living at that time having quite direct access to this vibrational aspect.  We find a role similar to
that played by the mushroom Psilocybe mexicana in the religious experience of the Indians of the Sierra Mazatec in
Mexico. Psychedelic substances widen the field of consciousness by acting on vibrational energies by increasing their
frequency. We find there the origin of many rites and religious practices drowned in the mists of time.  We think that it is not
necessary to resort to artificial drugs which are ultimately only very powerful amplifiers of psychic phenomena.  We have in
us the natural resonators, the cellular oscillators capable of vibrating at these frequencies: it is up to us to discover them and
to use them to change the frequency scale, that is to say of the energy spiral [ 3]. On the other hand,
The scale of the number of beats in a given direction 8 to 56 (multiples of 8 and 56 = 7 x  8 ) which actually corresponds to a
vibration frequency scale is identical in its implications to that described in the book Dialogue with the Angel [7] and which
we recall in Figure 3. The numbers from 8 to 32 would correspond to the created world, and 32 to 56 to the creative
world. Recall that we can reach a value of 152, which goes in the direction of the existence of a high but finite number of
vibratory levels even on a human scale.
Our potential for the great spiritual transformation:
The study of the different levels of consciousness shows us that we use only a tiny part of our potential.  Neurological
research has provided evidence at the nervous system and brain level [8]. But this is true on other scales such as that of
DNA: at a given moment we only use a tiny part of this meter of DNA that is in each of our cells.  A large part of our
potential is blocked by education, life in society, habits, conditioning and in general by the standards that hinder us and
prevent us from expressing ourselves. Imagine this great book that is DNA, where chapters would remain closed forever
because they are banned or because we have not learned to read them.  Let us also imagine the blank pages of this book
which await only the hand of the writer who will know how to enhance them. Thus we have the DNA sequences which can
vibrate at N 40, 48 and even 152, and which can transmit at a distance. We have the blank pages in us, the draft pages for
practicing, groping, making mistakes, circuit drafts, a computer with unimaginable possibilities but it is up to each of us to
want it, to decide to write the white pages well. The great spiritual transformation that is coming is at this price.
For the implementation of vibrational energies at different frequency scales, the great difficulties arise in terms of their
materialization. The success of achieving balance and its dynamic maintenance will depend on the qualities of the vibratory
supports at the level of each energetic sphere (Fig. 2). This materialization will pose different problems depending on
whether it is water molecules, colloids or the human being as a whole. Thus, achieving and maintaining energy balance at a
given level will depend on the material characteristics of the lower energy levels, which can be regulated by the higher level.
Only the application of the systems analysis method will make it possible to define all the possible types of evolution at a
given level depending on the state of the levels immediately above and below [9] .
Men were always looking for and looking for symbols, objects, structures,
forms, "signs" capable of emitting in resonance with the cosmos at a given
time. Their conscious or unconscious quest aims to regain lost harmony with
cosmic forces or to eliminate so-called harmful energies by using relays
within their reach. We believe that this quest, that these "rites" are not
illusory, that we can now give a coherent interpretation by rationally
analyzing the laws of the different scales of vibrational energy.
When the equilibrium is disturbed, it is necessary to determine which is the
primary event which contributed to modify this or that energetic sphere (Fig.
2). We can then try to regulate this sphere by acting on the spheres that frame
it, either energetically or materially, not forgetting that whatever the level
initially disturbed, it is first of all the vibrational energy that is modified and
from which everything flows in cascades. Thus in the case of homeopathic
preparations, it will not be enough to choose substances which vibrate in
harmony with the temperament of the subject (number of directions), but it
will also be necessary to take into account the frequencies of vibrations
which are disturbed (number of beats).
At this stage of the description of vibrational energies, we understand better
the nature and the meaning of the opposites of the alchemists, of Yin and
Yang of Tao, the law of action and reaction of thermodynamics. The path
which leads to the dynamic equilibrium of the harmonized being then takes
shape, without ambiguity, dependent on the understanding of the laws which
animate us and which are in fact the indelible imprints (the reflection) of the
cosmic laws on our various vibratory supports .
We can then tend towards this spiritual era announced by the tradition
where the “Mutants” expressed will decide in all conscience to use their
vibratory circuits at high frequency. They will have the will to do it, they
will not use it as a power whether it be material or spiritual and they will
initiate those around them without conditioning and without
sectarianism. The work will be long: it is not easy to structure the low
frequency levels using high level spirals, but in return, these efforts on
physical matter will lead us to increase our level of vibrational energy
therefore broaden our field of consciousness (Fig. 4).
The path that leads to the great spiritual mutation seems to us to go in this
direction. The rediscovery of magic and the sacred. In all lucidity, in all
freedom: The royal way of the interior illumination by the control of the
multiple aspects of the knowledge of being.

[1] E. GUILLÉ Third Millennium, N ° 1, March 1982 , p. 86


[2] E. GUILLÉ La Dowsing . Ed. Le Dauphin, Paris, 1982.
[3] E. GUILLÉ Third Millennium N ° 2, May 1982.
[4] A. GURWITSCH AND G. FRANCK Reports of the Académie des
Sciences, Paris, April 4, 1927, p. 903.
[5] G. LASKOVSKI The Universion. Gauthier Villars, 1927.
[6] P. GORDON WASSON et al., The Flesh of the Gods . Edit. du Seuil, Paris, 1974.
[7] G. MALLASZ, Dialogues with the Angel - The Four Messengers. Aubier Montaigne, 1976.
[8] M. FERGUSON, The Brain Revolution . Calmann Lévy, 1974.
[9] L. VON BERTALANFFY, General Theory of Systems , Dunod 1973.

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Jacques Ravatin
28 May 2011

Jacques Ravatin nous a quitté en Mars 2011. C’est par cet entretien de 1978 – ci-dessous – que nous l’avons
découvert. Il était la continuation et la synthèse d’une longue lignée de chercheurs et de scientifiques d’avant-garde
qui, à la fois, pratiquement et théoriquement étudiaient les liens du visible et de l’invisible, de leurs implications et de
la possibilité de changer de conscience. Son œuvre reste relativement méconnu et il est dommage que plusieurs
farfelus s’en inspirent. Ravatin continua ses travaux avec sa fondation Ark’all et publia de nombreuses études,
parfois sous le pseudonyme de Vladimir Rosgnilk. Ses thèses restent à être vérifier par une communauté plus large de
chercheurs…
(Revue Psi International. No 7. Octobre-Novembre-Décembre 1978)
Une nouvelle approche de l’Univers… Un reportage de Joël André
Si les mathématiques, l’architecture et l’esthétique apportent d’innombrables données descriptives et analytiques concernant
les Formes, aucune science actuelle ne semble pourtant poser le problème fondamental : « Que sont les Formes ? ». Et
surtout : « Que font les Formes ? ».
Dès 1930, André de Bélizal et les ingénieurs Chaumery et Morel abordaient néanmoins la question et aboutissaient, dans
une sorte de tentative de conciliation entre la radiesthésie et l’électromagnétisme, à la notion d’Ondes de Forme.
Une seconde génération de chercheurs, entre autres l’archéologue Enel, puis Jean de la Foye et Roger de Lafforest,
reprenaient les résultats des pionniers et accumulaient les vérifications expérimentales. On ignorait toujours la nature
exacte de ces « Ondes de Forme », mais l’influence de ces mystérieuses émanations sur le végétal et le vivant pouvait être
reproduite à partir d’émetteurs artificiels, décelée par des détecteurs et utilisée à des fins précises.
L’entretien qui va suivre évoque, bien entendu, ces étapes préliminaires sans lesquelles les recherches actuelles resteraient
incompréhensibles. Sans s’y attarder, toutefois, et ceci pour deux raisons.
Il n’est pas souhaitable de donner trop de précisions pratiques sur les dispositifs expérimentaux utilisés dans ce domaine.
Leur simplicité apparente dissimule des potentialités redoutables que le débutant enthousiaste (comme parfois le chercheur
confirmé) risque de découvrir à ses dépens et… à ceux des autres !
Mais surtout, les travaux menés actuellement par le Groupe ARK’ALL constituent une sorte de révolution par rapport au
passé. On ne parle plus d’Ondes de Forme mais d’Émissions dues aux Formes. Pourquoi ? Parce que l’on n’a pas à faire à
des ondes, ni celles du spectre électromagnétique, ni celles de tout autre système vibratoire connu. En bref : les Émissions
dues aux Formes n’appartiennent pas à notre Univers physique…
We will find many other words "unbearable" throughout this interview with Jacques Ravatin. Did the Initiates of Antiquity
converse with the Gods? Does the Hebrew alphabet contain the latent state of all reality? Are the Pyramids, the statues of
Easter Island and the Cathedrals all gigantic transmitters? And by the same token vehicles towards what the relativistic
diagram of Time designates as "Elsewhere"? Still it would be an Elsewhere ... other than that of physicists. Our physical
universe would only be a restriction of the real universe, of the Global.
One cannot remain insensitive to Jacques Ravatin's remarks in so far as they concern the most fundamental aspects of. the
knowledge. And more immediate questions such as habitat, environment, medicine and technology of the future. Even on
these themes of civilization, we will see that the formulations defy all our habits of thought.
But then, was it necessary to publish these words, or was it not too early to do so?
One of two things: either the statements of Jacques Ravatin are correct and the research of his group is poised to
revolutionize current science. It would then be unforgivable to obstruct their dissemination and their free appreciation by
all. Or they arise from an exaggerated enthusiasm and a total lack of scientific prudence, in which case, according to the
established formula, they engage only their author, their good faith and their academic skills.
In either case, Jacques Ravatin seemed able to take responsibility. His university career (after a doctorate in mathematical
physics, he now teaches this discipline at the University of Amiens) did not leave him unresponsive on the polemic level.  His
experimental practice (he was also a chemical engineer at the CNRS) gives hope that he was able to keep his eyes open
during his investigations. The assurance with which he proposes to operate the main physico-chemical transformations
known by ways entirely ignored by our laboratories would be insane if it were not based on a verifiable achievement.  Theses
and patents are multiplying, moreover, around the work of the Ark'All Group and the private industry is already giving them
significant support.
But let us suppose that the remarks which will follow arise only from baseless extrapolations or from real but hastily
generalized observations, in short from an abuse of interpretation. It would nonetheless be necessary to read and reread
them. Didn't Einstein say that he had gathered certain major ideas from his theories from reading ... science fiction books!
Question - Joël André: Given the unusual field that we are going to tackle, it would be good to give an idea of your
scientific training and the foundations of your present research.
Answer - Jacques Ravatin: At the end of my secondary studies, I was concerned about the existence of realities unknown to
classical science. I thought that certain phenomena stemmed from a different approach.
I set out to find what I call non-Cartesian systems. In academic circles, opinions on the existence of such systems were very
divided.
In 1965, in my thesis in mathematical physics, I showed that certain major problems in Physics were amenable to other
reference systems, other approaches than those used until now.
The Thesis Jury was chaired by Pr Depommier, now Director of a large Physics Laboratory in Montreal.  He was very
interested in the notion of non-Cartesian systems and encouraged me to continue my research.
Wishing to deepen my mathematical knowledge, I worked for a while on very special algebras.  Then, I undertook research at
the CNRS
I kept thinking about non-Cartesian systems, until the day when I heard Roger de Lafforest, during a television program,
talking about certain research on Forms and their unusual effects on living beings.
R. de Lafforest mentioned my theoretical research as likely to shed light on the results obtained by several researchers,
including himself, on an experimental level. So I contacted him and he allowed me to get to know the work due to André de
Bélizal on what was then called "Ondes de Forme". He made me discover among other things the curious properties of an
Egyptian form called "Louksor", the one found on the protective ring that Mr. de Bélizal had baptized "Atlantean ring".
The unsuspected properties of Forms gave me access to one of these non-Cartesian Systems of which I had searched for a
real example for so long. For their part, the pioneers such as Turenne, de Bélizal, Chaumery, Enel and second-generation
researchers such as Jean de la Foye and R. de Lafforest had experimented and reasoned by analogy.  By resuming their results
in the light of the non-Cartesian models that I had developed on the abstract plane, we could finally move forward and know
from which aspect of the real were the enigmatic influences emitted by the Forms.

The “Louksor” Form. She was on a black sandstone ring found in Egypt towards the end of the XIX th century.
A. de Bélizal had observed the effects of this ring on various aspects of his daily life, both physically and psychically. This
was the origin of his research on what he later called "Ondes de Forme".
According to Jacques Ravatin, this ring compensates for the harmful effects of certain Emissions due to Forms. The
archaeologist Carter wore it during the opening of the tomb of Tout Ankh Amon in 1922. He was the only survivor of the
wave of unexplained deaths which struck eighteen people closely associated with the excavations of the Carter-Carnavon
mission, that which was to lead to the invention of the tomb of the pharaoh and the famous treasure. The researchers would
have been affected by harmful Emissions due to the displacement of funeral objects: the arrangement of these in Egyptian
burials indeed responds to notions of balance of Forms and their very particular arrangement cannot be overturned without
risk.
Q - Can you, in a brief history, relate the main stages which marked the evolution of the problem until its current
form?
A -For what follows, it is first necessary to deal with an argument that is too well known as soon as we talk about
dowsing. The use of the pendulum is indeed disputed on the pretext that its gyration would be due to imperceptible muscular
movements, conscious or not, on the part of the subject who manipulates it.
As early as 1850, Baron de Reichenbach had developed a type of pendulum which excluded the muscular action of the
subject. It is a pendulum whose wire, at a certain height, is wound a good number of times around a fixed cylinder.  The
subject had no other contact with the pendulum than the end of the index finger placed on the wire at the level of the winding
cylinder. The intervention of muscle twitches, even significant, was therefore excluded, which did not prevent the pendulum
from turning in gyration according to the usual principles.
After this essential clarification, I come to another experience also due to Reichenbach and directly related to what interests
us. On the positive pole, facing north, with a straight magnet, a wooden cylinder was placed. A clairvoyant, placed in a dark
room, was then asked to focus his attention on the cylinder. After about an hour, the subject saw appearing around the
circumference of the cylinder a disc of colors arranged in the order of the light spectrum that we know in optics.
Around 1905, Colonel de Rochas had also discovered through various experiments emissions not belonging to the known
electromagnetic spectrum. These experiences were taken up and developed by the engineer Turenne in 1928, then by de
Bélizal, Chaumery and Morel. The same emissions were identified and as it was the golden age of the applications of
electromagnetism, the researchers that I have just cited tried to reconcile their discoveries with the prevailing theories.  They
thus baptized the emissions of the name of the witness-colors from which the pendulum entered in gyration and they
distinguished two aspects of these “waves of form”, magnetic and electric. It was thought at the time that it was a still
unexplored band of the electromagnetic spectrum.
We now know that the so-called "shape waves" are not waves and do not belong to electromagnetic fields.  This is why we
are now talking about "Emissions due to Forms".

The “decomposition of the spectrum of colors by the sphere” according to Bélizal and Chaumery. The abbreviations are as
follows: V = green; Bu = blue; I = indigo; Vi = purple; UV = ultra-violet; Bc = white; N = black; IR = infrared; R = red; O =
orange; J = yellow.
Diagram by Jean de La Foye, published in his book " Waves of life, Waves of death ".
Q - Before seeing how you came to this conclusion, can you give an overview of how the pioneers you just quoted sort
of "cleared" the question?
THE MINISTER - No conventional detector being sensitive to the emissions we are talking about, Chaumery and de Bélizal
used the dowsing method, by the way making some significant improvements.
On a wooden sphere, they tried to locate emitting points on the pendulum of what they called "shape waves".  The method
was that of the "witness", classic in dowsing. An example: hold a piece of red cloth or paper in your left hand; with the right
hand, launch the pendulum in rectilinear oscillation above the sphere. Vertical from a specific point, the pendulum turns. The
point thus identified is said to be "emitter" of the color red.  According to the direction of gyration of the pendulum, the
"color" will be said to be negative or positive. For example, at the North Pole of the sphere there will be an emission point
rotating the pendulum for a green witness fabric and clockwise: this point receives the designation of positive Green or V
+. The diametrically opposite point receives the name of negative Green or V-.
Chaumery and Bélizal found that the color points were distributed on the surface of the sphere according to regular spirals
which undergo a certain shift according to the movement of the Earth. To "fix" the position of these spirals, they had the idea
of drilling two diametrically opposite holes on the equator of the sphere.
Q - These preliminaries are at the origin of the ingenious "universal pendulum" which has made it possible to study
many properties and effects of Form, on current or ancient objects…
A - The universal pendulum is in fact made up of a spherical wooden mass on which are transferred the color points
identified by Bélizal and Chaumery. The wire slides on a movable handle fixed to the pendulum and can thus be adjusted
above the desired emission point. The gyration will occur vertically from an emitting object according to the characteristics
of the emitting point selected on the pendulum.
It is a very useful instrument, just like the equatorial pendulum developed by the same authors. And the achievements of the
first researchers have lost nothing of their practical value. The terminology was simply inadequate and the Emissions
identified belonged to a restricted field, which our current investigations continue to take into account under the name of
"Taofel de Bélizal Field".
What you need to understand if you want to access current research on Emissions due to Forms is that they have nothing to
do with what we know as waves or vibrations and that the "Colors" emitted by various points of the sphere or other solids are
of a different nature than the colors perceived by our senses. They do not belong to our physical universe.
Q - How did we go from concrete research and electromagnetic or chromatic analogies to infinitely more abstract
conceptions that you now support?
THE MINISTER - I think Enel's research was decisive. Before even taking an interest in Emissions due to Forms, Enel was
introduced to the esoteric doctrines of Antiquity. He was undoubtedly the first to understand that the powers of the Forms
stemmed from a mode of thought radically different from ours. Rather than turning to the scientific criteria of the moment,
he considered the problem from the point of view of Hebrew Kabbalah and the great cosmogonic systems of ancient India
and Egypt. This allowed him to deepen the meaning of sacred architectures which are, for materialist thought, rigorously
incomprehensible. Enel was also one of the first to suspect the relationship between Form Emissions and cancer.  He even
discovered an Emission acting on cancer cells,

Placed on a properly drilled and oriented wooden disc, this kabbalistic figure, called Synthesis, generates Dynamic
Emissions whose effects are remarkable on living things and waters.
The Pa-Kua, Chinese figure combining the Yin / Yang circle and the trigrams of the Yi-King. It broadcasts on the “Bélizal”
Field and others with a “Möbius” character. Although it has therapeutic properties, it is delicate to use: in “KSh Ph” or Magic
state, its effects are unexpected and powerful.
Q - Let us now come to your most daring assertion: Emissions due to Forms do not belong to our physical
universe! What is this conviction based on?
THE MINISTER - From the very point of view of science, the essential condition for knowing the Universe is that you can
everywhere and always give yourself one or more points of reference: distance, speed, time, force, etc.  As long as we can
approach the phenomena within the framework of a benchmark system, we have the possibility of analyzing, naming or
counting, measuring or comparing.
But does it not exist in the universe of fields where the benchmarks themselves become unstable or disappear?
We discovered the existence of such systems, of realities for which standards and benchmarks fade or are completely
lacking. The physical universe is therefore only one aspect, a special case, of a larger domain. Our physical, restricted
universe is what we call the Local, since we can always locate an object there. As for the Total Universe, the one where the
Local landmarks disappear, we call it the Global.
There are intermediate domains between these two faces of reality, transitions from Local to Global and projections of
Global into Local. The transitions between these two realities are none other than our famous “Emissions due to Forms”.
Q. - So the domain of Emissions due to Forms would be one where it remains possible, despite the evanescence of
benchmarks, to understand what is happening on the threshold of the incomprehensible?
THE MINISTER - That's it, a sort of compromise between the Global, in which the benchmarks are dissolved, and the Local
where the benchmarks are everywhere present.
Q - It is a considerable extension of the notions of the time of “Wave Forms”.  Has the experimental practice also
experienced significant variations?
THE MINISTER - We build much more powerful transmitting devices than those of Bélizal and Chaumery and we amplify
the Emissions by increasingly higher electric voltages. But in current research, for detection or analysis, we always use
universal, equatorial pendulums, etc. We also have pendulums allowing to determine the polarity of a Form (if it has one)
and especially of “Hebrew pendulums” to know certain fundamental qualities which we call States.
This notion is crucial because certain Emissions deemed beneficial can have a disastrous influence only because they are in a
harmful state.
Q - Can you clarify this new concept and the method used to highlight the State of a Program?
A - In physics, we define the state of an object by its position and its speed.  But since the Emissions due to the Forms are
outside the physical domain, their various characteristics do not correspond to the criteria of the Local.  Despite this
relocation, certain differentiations remain possible. We can thus distinguish the qualitative levels of the Physical, the Vital,
the Psychic, to cite only the simplest categories. This method does not arise, as it might seem, from metaphysical
presuppositions, but from the properties of the Hebrew language and the alphabet known as "Hebrew square".
Contemporary alphabets are sets of purely conventional signs, but the same is not true of ancient alphabets, each sign of
which carried a latent power in connection with the different cosmic aspects that writing intended to reflect and d
'influence. The power of each sign was susceptible of amplification, of activation, hence the possibility of using hieroglyphs,
hieratic alphabets and sacred names to penetrate secret states of reality or to access high states of consciousness.  We check
every day the power, the efficiency, of these symbols which must be handled with care.
Among the various hieratic alphabets, that is to say sacred, the square Hebrew is undoubtedly the one which has reached us
in its most authentic, least degenerate form. It is probably for this reason that the Hebrew characters and words drawn with
the help of this alphabet are so sensitive to qualities and differences that our current thinking has lost sight of. Among others,
the different “states” that Emissions due to Forms can take.

Six pendulums, including five with Hebrew characters and the last (bottom right) to detect transfers between Forms and
Forms Systems. The circles are the symbol of the “Knot of Life”. important Emission from the Vital Field that can be seen
on a plant at ground level and in a human being at the level of the umbilical plexus.
The method consists in engraving on a cylindrical pendulum known as “Hebrew pendulum” the word qualifying a given
State. The Hebrew word meaning "Earth" interacts with the States of the physical level, the word "Breath of Life" detects the
States proper to the Living, the word "Spirit" implies those of the psychic or spiritual, etc.

The main Hebrew words used for detecting states. They make it possible to locate the intrinsic qualities of the reality studied.
We can similarly highlight states such as "Word", "Night", "Light", each Hebrew word attached to the pendulum causing the
latter to react when the state symbolized by the word is present in the object or the phenomenon studied.  At a very simple
level, this method also overlaps with the results of classic dowsing: the pendulum bearing the Hebrew word "Il-jaillira-de-
l'eau" will react positively to the vertical of a tablecloth or a source underground.
But we can detect states that are much less familiar, much less easy to define, even if the power of their effects leaves no
doubt as to their existence.
The word "K Sh Ph" thus defines the state "Magic" and indeed characterizes situations where the benchmarks are upset,
especially when we are dealing at the same time with the state "Shin overturned" which implies anti-human influences very
bad omen.
Q - How does this translate into our reality?
A - There are many varieties of the “K Sh Ph” state. We spot them on certain Egyptian statuettes whose arms are crossed on
the chest, on poorly oriented pyramids, on musical instruments such as the violin, etc. Modern constructions and important
technological complexes often bear witness to this state, which can moreover emanate from a work of art, music or certain
words. A speech by Hitler thus manifests a “K Sh Ph” state with Shin Reversed.

Funeral statuettes. Like all Egyptian Forms, they contain unexpected potentials and should be moved with caution.
Now let's see how this State affects Emissions due to Forms. Take for example the so-called V - M broadcast which belongs
to the Taofel field "de Bélizal". It intervenes in particular on the human body at the level of the nervous system. In the
normal state, the V - Mdissipates fatigue and the various tensions, regenerates the metabolism of the nerve cell, etc.
But if this emission is afflicted with the state "K Sh Ph" with "Shin overturned", it induces a situation of deep anomaly,
magic, and anti-human effects (the Shin in normal position being the criterion of l not essentially disturbed).
What will happen then? The "Magic" State disturbing all the usual functionalities of the everyday world and the "Shin"
overturned deeply upsetting the consciousness of the outside world, the subject will no longer master, or very badly, his
relations with material objects and the overall situation . Suppose he is affected by the Abnormal Emission while driving his
car, the vehicle will leave the road for no apparent reason and this will be the "inexplicable" accident.
So you see that a Originally Beneficial Issue may be affected by the state in which it takes effect.

On the strings of this violin, the Hebrew pendulum detecting the state "K SH Ph". This state can be identified above any
violin, played or not. It disappears if we remove the "soul", a small piece of wood located inside the soundboard and which
seems to be at the origin of the "magic" character of the instrument. The great luthiers of old made the "soul" of their violin
from the bones of children who died at a tender age.
Q - How to avoid errors of interpretation due to the subjectivity of the researcher and the state of his psyche or the
place in which he operates?
A - We have compensators that eliminate accidental influences from surrounding objects, the basement, the building itself,
etc.
As for subjectivity, when there is the slightest doubt, we have the phenomenon concerned studied by two, three, sometimes
up to fifteen different researchers. Each one works separately and then we compare the results. When they agree, we consider
them to be conclusive, according to the very principles of experimental science.

This form is a rebalancing of atmospheres provided you know how to pierce it to activate the Ext. With a range of 60 m, it
removes harmful emissions from the Field "Belizal" as the V - E .
Q - Do you plan to replace one day the different pendulums with detectors or recorders of the type used by current
laboratories?
THE MINISTER - It's not excluded, although no artificial detector can match human sensitivity and intuition.
The pendulum promotes the awakening of these latent qualities and everyone can be convinced, after about three hundred
hours of practice, of the merits of this instrument.
As far as I am concerned, my scientific training had rather accustomed me to the models and methods of modern
physics. Pendulum research seems to me neither less secure nor less rigorous. We will soon be able to detect the Taofel
Fields thanks to the new properties that we have discovered on crystals.
Q - Let's talk a bit about these Taofel Fields, which widen the domain of Emissions due to Forms far beyond what
Belizal and Chaumery suspected…
A - The discovery of new Taofel Fields was due to the production of new transmitting devices, such as the one built a year
ago and thanks to which we detected Emissions far beyond the "Bélizal" Field. The one we build will be even more powerful
and will open up possibilities that I will not discuss for the moment.
The Taofel Field immediately above the “Bélizal” Field received the name of “Unity-Sprink”. Sprink had built in 1934 a
device giving Emissions of this level but he never knew what caused the effects of his device. Recently, we were asked to
study the device in question. It is an octagonal wooden frame fitted with spark gaps, energized and earthed. Nothing very
complex but the effects produced are remarkable.
Sprink, who knew nothing about Emissions due to Forms, had made the greatest researchers of the moment note the
possibilities of its device. Rocks brought to 700 ° and exposed to its device had hexagonal "honeycomb" imprints.  Sprink
had also subjected the personnel of several factories to the action of its apparatus.  The invigorating and soothing effect was
immediately felt by all.
Transmitter disk surmounted by oriented shapes and magnets. Allows various extensions of the Taofel Fields.
By testing the machine myself, I spotted a very powerful V - M emission . I decided to build an improved version of the
Sprink invention.
The octagonal wooden frame was replaced by a 16-sided polygon, the electric voltage was considerably increased, etc.  It was
then that we identified, beyond the V - M , another type of emission, much purer. It is this new Field that we call “Unit-
Sprink”.
Objects from Antiquity can also be the source of a similar discovery. L'Arche d'Alliance emits very high Taofel Fields,
beyond “Unity-Sprink”. We named them Champs de Taofel "Promised Land".
Q - Do you know other Taofel Fields beyond “Promised Land”?
THE MINISTER - Certainly. Even beyond the Field which we considered to be the highest and which we had called “Entity-
God”, we were surprised to discover a Taofel Field still higher. We must have been too enthusiastic by baptizing the previous
Champ!
In addition, each Taofel Field has extensions in a type of Emissions called Dynamic Emissions.  You can overlap the different
Fields and Emissions, so the possibilities are endless.
Q - How can we say that one Taofel Field is higher than another?
A - The “Bélizal” field, for example, produces effects accessible to progressive and indirect observation: plant growth, health
improvement, etc. With the Higher Fields, we act directly on the structure of matter and the physical constants.
At the Taofel “Unit-Sprink” field we already obtain variations in the values of the components of the Earth's magnetic field,
modifications of the gravitational constant, the air refractive index, the chloride solubility constant of sodium or any other
salt in water ... In short, the powerful Emissions due to Forms, in the high Taofel Fields, modify or upset the main constants
known in physics and chemistry.
Q - Do you find there possibilities of objectification and measurement as precise as those of the so-called exact
sciences?
A - Absolutely. We measure the action of Emissions due to Forms on quantifiable parameters recognized by all. The
physicists themselves do nothing else. For example, we have reduced the gravitational constant G by one tenth of its
value. But our devices allow us effects ignored by current physics and which undoubtedly overlap with alchemical
knowledge not understood until now. We now know that the alchemists, more or less intuitively, subjected matter to
increasingly high Taofel Fields, adding to it at each transition properties in principle reserved for living structures and the
psyche.
Similarly, instead of adding energy to a given field to modify the characteristics of the object found there, we take the object
out of its field to place it in a higher Field…
Q - Are you transferring the object to what could be called a "Transmutation Field"?
A - Sort of. This is also why we use special arithmetic according to the Taofel Field in which we want to immerse the object.
These arithmetic are called "Cumulo-decal". They are based on the properties of Numbers considered as entities with a given
coefficient of existence or non-existence. The real power of these arithmetic is demonstrated by the following fact: it suffices
to write the appropriate arithmetic for a given Taofel Field, the Field in question manifests itself immediately. Likewise, if
we build the arithmetic corresponding to a human being, any permutation or inversion of the terms of this arithmetic will
have considerable effects on the person concerned.
Q - We come back to the concept of Kabbalah. But you have not yet alluded to the mysterious Shapes of mummies,
pyramids, statues on Easter Island and other cathedrals…
A - To understand mummies and pyramids, you have to use the concept of Ext. The Ext of a Form is not included in the
Form itself, it is a transition between the Form in the Local and this same delocalized Form.  For example, by drilling a few
holes in a solid sphere, we add new properties that have no common measure with the object itself or the banality of the
intervention. This reality of Form, beyond its physical substrate is what we call Ext.
Mummy of Egyptian woman (1000 years
BC).The mummified body would maintain
the psyche of the deceased in relation to the
world of the living.
When a being dies, that is to say, is delocalized in relation to our world, its Ext remains in relation with the corpse, as well as
with the delocalized individual. Thus by preserving the body of the deceased, we keep the possibility of acting on his Ext and
thereby on the deceased. This is why in certain tribes, the mummies participate in collective deliberations.  The Spanish
conquistadors have even observed marriages in South America where the spouse carries a mummy in place of his wife.  The
pyramids, at least the great Egyptian pyramids, also have an Ext which links the Emission Fields of the Pyramid to the
Celestial Constellation located vertically above the monument. Constellations are Forms and emit extremely powerful
dynamic Emissions. The Ext of the Pyramid captures these Emissions and passes them to the upper Taofel Fields. If an
individual knows how to place himself in dynamic duality with the Ext of the Pyramid, extraordinary possibilities are
available to him: higher states of consciousness, relocation of matter, access to other realities and others universe,
communications with quasi-divine beings who are "breaks" of the Global.

The pyramids of Giza:


Cheops (the largest), Kephren and Mykerinos. The Great Pyramid was
recently the subject of a research mission led by one of the best
mathematicians-analysts in the United States.
For each place in the pyramid, the spectrographic records differed completely from hour to hour! The mathematician
recognized that, given the precautions taken and the quality of the equipment used, the variations observed were
incomprehensible.
Q - What is the "vehicle" that allows these space-time barriers to be crossed, the limits of our dimension?
R - We use the concept of Fractal Object, which was introduced at the end of the XIX th century by the great mathematician
Georg Cantor. It is initially a figure which can never be completed because its drawing requires an infinite number of
modifications of the initial figure.
We found that by sending a “Belizal” Field Program on a fractal object, we were passing it to the upper Field, “Unity-
Sprink”. We have extended the notion of fractal object to all systems which, subject to emissions due to Forms, allow us to
constantly move from a Field to the Higher Field. We have there the "vehicle" or the footbridge which gives access to the
Taofel Fields from the most immediate to the highest.
A fractal object, in the
mathematical sense. Its size is intermediate between that of a surface and
that of a volume.
We build Fractal Objects ourselves. Our cumulative-shift arithmetic
allow us to impose space-time structures different from ours.
In a natural state this is what happens in the famous Bermuda Triangle where Fractal Objects appear, probably generated by
the rotation of the Earth. Fractal Objects can have an input and an output, an input only or neither. In the Bermuda Triangle,
most of the Fractals have no exit, hence some disappearances.
A Fractal Object (in the
sense of the Emission
Theory due to
Forms).Allows to activate
the essential
transformation processes
of various
substances. Transform the
Taofel Fields into each
other.
Q - Can you cite a case of transition to Elsewhere through a Fractal Object?
THE MINISTER - The sensitive people with whom we work have done a lot of duplication towards bygone eras or
inaccessible places.
Samuel Franeric performed a duplication to discover what became of the Great Pyramid during the passage of a given
constellation.
We thus learned that the High Priest relocated there and entered into contact with Thinking Forms of the Global. So he was
not lying when he said he "spoke to the Gods". And it is the dynamic duality between the Ext of the High Priest and that of
the pyramid, on the one hand, between the Emissions due to the Forms of the monument and the dynamic Emissions of the
constellation on the other hand, which constituted the Object Fractal making it possible to relocate the High Priest.
The Ark of the Covenant, figured from
certain biblical descriptions. In the United States recently, a physicist and
his students tried to build a faithful prototype. The project had to be
interrupted: as the model became more precise, the experiments in
progress in the laboratories neighboring the University were seriously
disturbed. The phenomenon has never been explained.
Q - Are all the monuments and objects of worship of the Elders Fractal Objects in the sense that you mean it?
THE MINISTER - Let's say that they become so under certain conditions. The Easter Island statues, for example, are
depolarized Forms that become Fractal Objects if viewed against the background of the cloudy sky.
The Ark of Alliance is not strictly speaking a Fractal Object: it causes the creation of fractal structures by collapse of the
Space-Time structure. This is what also allowed Moses to "open" the waters of the Red Sea to allow the passage of the
Hebrews on the run. On the other hand, the shaking of the spatio-temporal structure breaks the Global which then projects
into our local universe fragments of another real. This is how the “world of the gods” arises in the human mind.

Unfinished Easter Island


statues. Besides their powerful Emissions, they would have allowed the
relocation of human beings. Relations could thus have been established
with other civilizations, despite the isolation of this small island in the
Pacific.
Q - So the mythological gods would be real as entities resulting from the emergence of the Global in the Local?
THE MINISTER - This is what we have checked many times. Through the breaks of the Global, forms of entities are
relocated in our world which respond to the names and evocations assigned to them by ancient religions and magical
practices. We must also be extremely careful when dealing with these Global outbursts.  We are often forced to retreat and
neutralize the Emissions and the Fields concerned when we discover what is hidden behind certain delocalized realities.
Q - This constitutes a justification for beliefs in the powers of name, rhythmic incantation and sacred music…
A - In particular, there are Emissions due to Rhythms which have their own Taofel Fields and which make it possible to
energize Emissions due to Forms.
The rhythms and incantations of “rain dances”, for example, progress according to increasingly high Taofel Fields which
abolish distances and cause the relocation / relocation of the “Rain” phenomenon. You can see the rain fall under a radiant
sun. Wilhelm Reich obtained rain in the middle of the desert by directing certain tubular forms to the sky. We tested them:
they emit in “Unit-Sprink” and, partially, “Promised Land”.
Q - Among the “Great Initiates”, which seem to you to have reached the most advanced knowledge in the field of
Emissions due to Forms?
THE MINISTER - The priests of Egypt and those of Delphi. The High Priest of the Temple of Jerusalem, who raised Taofel
Fields so high once a year, by the pronunciation of the name of God, that we understand why he had to be alone in the
Temple and say the sacred name in a low voice. Moses, able to return from Champs which would have relocated any other
individual forever. The famous occultist John Dee, whose mirror, used with an alphabet and appropriate Forms, brought up
extremely powerful entities from the Global.
Jesus Christ is an even more enigmatic being. We have reason to think that between the Crucifixion and the Descent from the
Cross, he projected onto the world something incredibly high that we have not managed to define but whose influence has
remained alive until our days. I also wonder if we do not have here a reality which transcends the field of Emissions due to
Shapes and Taofel Fields, however high they are.

Table used by John Dee. By


having Forms on this Table, we obtain pulsating Emissions, with very long
range, in extremely specific States.
Q - Consciousness would overhang the Local and the Global, or even command their mutual penetration?
THE MINISTER - We know in any case that prayer has this power. Andre Belizal could, praying intensely for several hours,
reverse harmful emission of V - E into beneficial Issue V - M . The result was maintained for more than two years before the
source of V - Eappeared again.
Q - Let us return to the research involving duplication. How do you work and on what assumptions?
A - We work with sensitive people accustomed to this practice. It often happens that several of them are projected
simultaneously on the same place or around the same time to allow us to verify the information by cross-checking. A
sensitive like Raymond Réant, who is one of the active members of the Ark'All Foundation, uses physical duplication, that is
to say, is expressed in the form of a substance which remains however linked to the body by a kind filament whose rupture
would lead to immediate death. This is what occultists call the astral body and the "silver cord". Mental duplication, which
David and Samuel Franeric use for example, is less dangerous since it is based on clairvoyance.
But what is duplication itself? We find again the notion of Fractal Object. The human being belongs to two universes: that
where the forms appear and that where they generate. These two universes are in dynamic duality, like the Yin / Yang of
Chinese thought. But our scientific thought breaks this dynamic duality by considering only the apparent forms to the
detriment of the constituent Forms. The duplication reestablishes the relationship between the two universes. The sensitive
passes from one to the other and the structures which are thus exchanged between the apparent universe and that of the
Forms constitute a Fractal Object, whose properties we have seen in terms of delocalization and detemporalization.  We can
give the Fractal Object thus created more precise properties thanks to the arithmetic of which I spoke: it suffices to transpose
the Field or State properties of the system that we want to study to build the model of our Fractal Object.  The sensitive which
is projected by means of this Fractal Object will thus reach the domains, places or eras, planets or galaxies, which interest us.
Q - Some examples, in time or ... the cosmos!
THE MINISTER - I can't cite the most interesting ones for the moment, either because the research is still in progress, or
because there are areas that it is better not to talk about once we have an idea of what is there. To encourage amateurs to try
their luck would be to expose them to serious risks. Let's say that we had interesting results concerning the Moon and other
planets, as well as concerning the Andromeda Nebula. We also discovered that the ring of Saturn emits in state "K Sh Ph".
For the earthly past, I can give you an "innocent" example. You may know the origin of Tartini's work entitled "The Trill of
the Devil". Tartini, an Italian violinist, said that he had been woken up at night by an air played by a creature reminiscent of
the devil beside his bed. The next day, Tartini began to transcribe the music heard, but was never able to write the complete
song.
David and Samuel Franeric performed a duplication to find out what really happened that night.  We know that there was a
significant relocation, a passage through a Fractal structure in which Tartini was indeed put in the presence of the devil entity
who played the music in question. Samuel Franeric could hear the passages missing in the version of the "Devil's Trill" that
we know. When he has completed his musical training, we will take this duplication with him so that he can note or dictate
the unpublished fragments.
Q - I suppose that this kind of investigation is not without obstacles and traps…
A - Indeed. Among many others I will cite a kind of obstacle which we discovered almost by chance and which we now call
a Grid.
When looking for water points on land in Haute-Provence, I noticed that the pendulum only reacted sporadically: impossible
to detect water on a continuous line. Other researchers noted the phenomenon. I then wondered if we were not dealing with a
kind of natural screen that hid most of the groundwater network from our research. So I studied the nature and distribution of
this screen and found the Forms and Emissions that removed the obstacle. Thus was born the notion of Grids and at the same
time we learned to lift these Grids when they arise.
Q - Apart from the natural Grids, do you encounter intentional Grids, obstacles or psychic screens willingly arranged
to protect the secrecy of certain places?
A - Very frequently. You know the famous Sansevero Chapel in Naples, where we found two mummies of a very special
kind. It is about a man and a woman of which, apart from the skeleton, only the vascular system remains: all the blood
vessels were completely preserved by an unknown process of infiltration discovered by prince Paul Sanseveri, who had
Besides, he got into trouble with the Inquisition for his research in anatomy and chemistry. It was previously believed that
the two bodies discovered in the crypt were treated immediately after death, hence the excellent conservation of blood
vessels. We would be hard pressed to reproduce such an intervention today.
Samuel Franeric split in the crypt of Sansevero during the mysterious operations of Prince Sanseveri.  He then encountered a
very strong resistance which was none other than a magic grid. We stayed in contact with S. Franeric through another
sensitive in mental duplication. The indications received enabled us to raise the Grid.
S. Franeric was then able to give us a very interesting overview of what was really going on at that time. Prince Sanseveri's
research was both magical and alchemical in nature. He and his accomplices sought to obtain sorts of living automatons to
which were left only the elementary functions necessary for the blind execution of certain orders, assassinations in particular.
The operation took place on living subjects. The liquid injected into the vessels was a kind of alchemical mercury.  An
important phase of the process was the immersion of the bodies thus treated in an underground river near Vesuvius. When the
subjects were thus transformed, they could be manipulated by acting on their Ext.  But the success was never final, the
subjects died soon after.
Q - You have here a method that could resolve many controversies between historians or archaeologists. As well as
between supporters and detractors of the phenomenon for example ...
THE MINISTER - We can understand what UFOs are from the notions I have just developed.  We have seen that under
certain conditions, the passage through a Fractal Object in particular, the human being can project himself from the Local
into the Global or cause the Global to explode in order to bring out certain realities, personalized or not.
Let’s go a little further. In every reality of our local world, there corresponds in the Global a model that is both together and
element: this is what we call an Enel. Localized things are replicas of the Enel that exists for them in the Global.
Q - The Enels would be kinds of archetypes or hyper-objects of which the Local would only hold more or less faithful
copies?
THE MINISTER - And sometimes even real caricatures! This is exactly what UFOs are, as our research has shown us in
photos as well as in places or people "contacted". The UFO phenomenon is also accompanied by extremely dangerous "K Sh
Ph" type states and burns, mental disorders and other symptoms in those who have approached a UFO result from Emissions
due to Forms and Taofel Fields that we know each other well. You will also notice the number of testimonies showing
offshoring. The subjects claim to have been trained inside the UFO and transported "to another planet", etc. In fact, they
were simply taken from the UFO Fractal Object structure.
Q - But who is handling the Fractal Object and what are UFOs caricature of?
THE MINISTER - The unconscious manipulator is none other than the human community and UFOs are the distorted
replicas of the technical objects of our civilization.

Each era knows different UFOs that


"imitate" civilization itself. (Engraving by Gavarni for “Voyages de
Gulliver”, by Swift).
Technical objects are, by definition, non-natural, even sometimes unnatural, forms. The accumulation of these objects creates
in our space cumulo-decals by which some of our technological achievements are relocated and are projected in the
Global. By shaking the Enel corresponding to the Relocated Technical Object, the Global returns to our space, this time via
anti-decalaries, "antics" of our current technology: these UFOs whose characteristics and performances are those of our own
machines but amplified and even outraged. Just as the Great Initiates obtained from the Global superhuman, divine or
infernal entities according to the spirit of the one who activated the Taofel Fields and passed into the Fractal Object,
Q - Each era also knows different UFOs, which "imitate" the Technical Objects of the moment, but transform their
functionalities. If UFOs reflect the purpose of our technology, the characteristics of Emissions and State that you
attribute to them are not very reassuring ...
THE MINISTER - We know enough about this “K Sh Ph” state with overthrown Shin, which is that of UFOs, so that doubt
is no longer allowed.
But I must clarify that it is not the Technical Object in itself which is to be questioned.  It is the unnatural functionalities that
we assign to these objects, their supernumerary too, that make their integration into the cycles and systems of Nature
impossible. The functionalities which cannot be integrated and harmonized in the natural world are projected in the Global
which refers us ...
Q -… Even more disharmonic and anti functionalities.
A - Necessarily, since the projection of the Local into the Global always elicits an amplified "response". If our technology
respects the functionality inherent in the natural harmony and balance of living things, the broken Global will introduce
similar models into our world. For the time being, we are conferring on Technical Objects purposes opposed to life.  So we
are attracting from the Global purposes that, by relocating, form real cancers in our universe.
The relocation of Technical Objects have, from the point of view of Emissions of Forms and States, all the characteristics of
cancer as it develops on living organisms, settling on Ext first then attacking the physical body.
Q - It would be good to recall on this subject the role of the so-called V - E program , both in terms of the environment and the
habitat as well as artificial nuisances.
A - R. de Lafforest and Jean de la Foye checked the work of Bélizal, Chaumery and Morel in this area.  A home built above a
groundwater table receives V - E and N - E Emissions , both of which are very harmful. In general, these Emissions are offset
at ground level. But it can happen what Bélizal called a rupture of the Compensated Forces.  When residents are exposed to
such an influence, the risk of cancer or leukemia increases alarmingly.
The forms and materials of modern constructions are also the source of Dangerous Emissions.  High-voltage lines, on the
other hand, emit a V - E over 150 to 500 m for a line voltage of 200,000 volts.
Nuclear power stations and high-
voltage lines create disturbances in our environment that the detectors of
classical science do not record.The effect is no less disastrous on the
populations who are unlucky enough to be nearby.
At this level, we have rebalance-transmitters that compensate for harmful atmospheres and eliminate the warning symptoms
of more serious illnesses (fatigue, insomnia, nervous disorders, etc.). I must say, moreover, that many disorders of this kind
would disappear spontaneously if people gave their beds a correct orientation, avoided certain arrangements of furniture and
electrical appliances and learned to be wary of certain decorative objects or jewels which convey Emissions.
unbalancing. Many cases of depression, exhaustion or anxiety stem from similar causes, the action of which is all the more
pernicious because it is invisible and ignored by most people. Much more serious is the problem posed by nuclear power
plants:
Q - Hopefully your research will provide the parade in due course. Have you studied ways to protect or stimulate the
living cells that have to deal with all these attacks?
A - We have subjected water and oils to the action of high Taofel fields. In these liquids, we placed living cells: they passed
to the Fields of the liquids themselves. Our observations of cells thus treated show an accelerated proliferation, an
improvement of the vital potential and defense capacities, etc. In the near future, experiments will begin on polluted waters:
micro-organisms stimulated by the appropriate Taofel Fields should, in our opinion, remove all kinds of impurities.
In this glass cylinder surrounded by a
double helix with meticulously
established characteristics, are immersed
mineral forms which give the water very
high emissions. Living cells immersed in
this water acquire biological properties
which can be used in the treatment of
polluted water.
Q - When will there be a Form Emissions medicine?
THE MINISTER - It depends on the doctors themselves. The possibilities are immense, including the possibility of treating
from a distance.
We have treated a table oil with very high Taofel Fields: it now has amazing tonic and regenerative properties.  We can thus
treat any food substance, water, wine, etc. By treating ordinary honey, for example, we obtain a product whose biological
properties are superior to those of royal jelly. Regarding pharmaceutical substances, there are probably similar possibilities.
We can diagnose cancer two years before it is visible in the human body. As I said, cancer first attaches to an individual's
Ext. We can spot it right now and keep it from getting into the body.

Remote recovery of a
disturbed Vital Field. In the center, on the subject's photo, the right Shin
pendulum pointed in the middle, At the four cardinal points, the four
components of the Vital Field.
Form inspired by the
"Tables of the Companions" of medieval esotericism, with mineral in the
center. A high electrical voltage completes the device which, placed under
a bed, provides restful sleep.

Transformation of oils by
passage through very high Taofel fields. The products thus treated are
used in therapy. Their properties are similar to those of certain alchemical
liquors, but they are obtained much faster (around 36 hours).
Q - Do Emissions due to Forms provide an alternative to current technology and industry, and therefore to the
dangers you mentioned earlier?
THE MINISTER - Of course, otherwise our results on plants and the human body would only have an approximate
value. And the radical modifications which we obtain on inorganic matter are the best experimental confirmation of the
hypothesis of the Taofel Fields: when we succeed thanks to them chemical catalysts without catalyst, we can hardly dispute
the magnitude of their effects or speak of subjective results. We can also, by the same means, carry out the polymerization of
molecules, which is one of the essential operations of today's industry. It is also possible to modify the properties of various
bodies. It is possible, for example, to obtain a mercury of density 15 instead of 13.6, to modify the vaporization or melting
temperatures, etc.
In agriculture, we are already able to obtain the biological transmutations planned by L. Kervran.  As for pure physics,
Emissions due to Forms modify its main constants, as I explained to you. The alternative you are talking about is possible
because without contesting the Technical Object, we assign it non-localized functionalities, extensions harmonized with
nature. We thus avoid the accumulation, the unhealthy trampling of which I spoke about UFOs and which is also at the origin
of all forms of pollution.
Q - You do not underestimate the share of danger inherent in your own research…
THE MINISTER - You know that Chaumery, the first collaborator of Mr. de Bélizal, died of a reckless use of Emissions due
to Forms. At the time, we were still only working on the Taofel Champs "de Bélizal". The Taofel Fields on which we operate
today are much higher and infinitely more dangerous.
Remember that a program that is misdirected or whose orientation has been disturbed by a slight displacement of the device
can suddenly reverse or enter the “K Sh Ph” state, thereby suddenly blowing up all the marks surrounding.  You can imagine
the situations it can cause.

Labyrinth of Chartres Cathedral


and labyrinth of Amiens (below). These networks of medieval esotericism
allow the transfer of Forms and the creation of Fractal Objects.

Access to the total Universe…?


We risk the same accidents as the magicians of old, Magic being besides a particular case of use of the Emissions due to the
Forms. Burns, heart failure, cerebral aneurysm ... or worse, that's what awaits those who would risk working in this area
without having been properly trained by an experienced researcher.
Q - Besides, at the point where your formulations and experiences are, anyone who wants to access them should first
accomplish a real mental conversion, not to say a mutation of thought ...
A - Indeed. Rationalist thinking can only distort the realities we are dealing with. Our work requires constantly thinking
"differently".
Scientific evolution has not been useless. Future science will obtain more powerful Emissions than those known to the
Ancients, notably thanks to the alloys that we know today.
Technical civilization stops at technique as the "Ondes de Forme" stopped at the "Bélizal" Field.  As for us, we are going to
higher and higher Fields to obtain projections from the Global, more and more richly broken.  Until the day when the human
being can definitively abandon the Local and establish his home… in the Global!

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