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Mon, 11 Apr 2011 19:31:37 +0000 - tweet id 57526235366035456 - #51
@ColinTGraham Today's topic is: "How do I introduce the geometry of the built
environment into the curriculum?" #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 19:32:35 +0000 - tweet id 57526475380883456 - #52
@ColinTGraham @reflectivemaths Why are houses generally cuboid, for example? How
can you measure the height of a tree using shadows, say? #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 19:41:28 +0000 - tweet id 57528713042067456 - #58
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#Mathchat – Monday, 11 April 2011 How do I introduce the geometry of the built environment into the curriculum?
@cherrylkd @reflectivemaths #mathchat Like using blackpool tower as exanple of
triangles in environment? Cross curricular with victorian history
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 19:41:47 +0000 - tweet id 57528790200500224 - #59
@ColinTGraham @dansmath How can you bring built objects around you into class to
strengthen geometry/show why things are built that way #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 19:45:28 +0000 - tweet id 57529717972156416 - #65
@ColinTGraham @suburbanlion Only if each room has two doorways, Ryan, otherwise
you'd never leave! #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 19:46:17 +0000 - tweet id 57529925896380416 - #67
@republicofmath @dansmath Kids often ask about #geometry - when will we ever use
this? Geom of built environment helps address that #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 19:47:05 +0000 - tweet id 57530124773494784 - #68
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#Mathchat – Monday, 11 April 2011 How do I introduce the geometry of the built environment into the curriculum?
@suburbanlion @ColinTGraham more specifically, the building can't have more than 2
rooms w/ odd number of doorways #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 19:47:23 +0000 - tweet id 57530199180451840
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@cherrylkd @dansmath #mathchat Not ot just me then. Roman arches copies on buildings
and aqueducts and viaducts. Historical aspect tells us a lot
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 19:47:47 +0000 - tweet id 57530301156573185 - #70
@ColinTGraham @cherrylkd It's also interesting to compare Roman with Greek, since the
Greeks didn't use arches, as such... #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 19:48:41 +0000 - tweet id 57530528483651585 - #71
@bucharesttutor Sorry people, can't join you for the #mathchat as my toddler wants me
to play with her, then possibly she will come n sleep
sl with us ;)
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 19:50:25 +0000 - tweet id 57530965819535360 - #77
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#Mathchat – Monday, 11 April 2011 How do I introduce the geometry of the built environment into the curriculum?
@cherrylkd @ColinTGraham #mathchat anglo saxon round houses. Geometry's always
been present now you've made me think about it
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 19:51:01 +0000 - tweet id 57531117582041088 - #78
@suburbanlion @republicofmath my point was that there was more to uncover than just
surface level features like length, area, volume #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 19:53:22 +0000 - tweet id 57531707385053184 - #83
@dansmath i take groups of students outside, arrange 20 of them in a circle, throw a ball
of string around to make a 10-pointed
pointed star. GCDs. #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 19:53:44 +0000 - tweet id 57531801090002944 - #84
@ColinTGraham @suburbanlion Area, length and volume are mensuration rather than
geometry, though, aren't they? or are they? What is area? #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 19:54:20 +0000 - tweet id 57531948654014464 - #85
@republicofmath I was only poking fun, Ryan: I think you have a very good point.
@suburbanlion #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 19:54:37 +0000 - tweet id 57532020733128704 - #86
@ColinTGraham @cherrylkd Think you mean the Forth bridge, over the Firth of Forth... ;-
;
) #mathchat
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Mon, 11 Apr 2011 19:55:28 +0000 - tweet id 57532236790104067 - #88
@republicofmath @ColinTGraham I agree. Point is to (a) help them see geom is useful
(b) check their understanding of geom (van Hiele) #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 19:58:59 +0000 - tweet id 57533118923550720 - #95
@CutTheKnotMath Just going around telling the joke. But builder was dead serious.
@republicofmath A page on the utility of Pythagoras' theorem? #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 19:59:27 +0000 - tweet id 57533236678635520
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@republicofmath @ColinTGraham I thought the "Geo" was for "George" ! #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 19:59:54 +0000 - tweet id 57533352902787073 - #98
dansmath Did they explain why the triangles were designed that way,
@ColinTGraham @dansmath
though? If not, could provide interesting 'hook' for lesson #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:00:45 +0000 - tweet id 57533563884679168
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@cherrylkd @ColinTGraham @dansmath #mathchat What sort of things would you hope
they bring back to discuss ?
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:01:12 +0000 - tweet id 57533678829576192 - #100
@ColinTGraham @cherrylkd @dansmath I would, say, ask them to find circles, triangles,
rectangles, squares, quadrilaterals, other shapes... #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:03:14 +0000 - tweet id 57534191771975682 - #104
@suburbanlion @ColinTGraham
TGraham yes, there's more to geometry than just measurement,
but mensuration seems to be a large part of present curriculum#mathchat
curriculum
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:03:22 +0000 - tweet id 57534224147824640
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#Mathchat – Monday, 11 April 2011 How do I introduce the geometry of the built environment into the curriculum?
@ColinTGraham @cherrylkd @dansmath then by comparing circular objects, triangular,
etc try to reason why those shapes were used for that purpose #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:04:06 +0000 - tweet id 57534406369357825 - #108
@republicofmath @ColinTGraham
@ColinTG I know - it seems odd, but there you are. Who can
figure why curriculum is as it is? #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:04:20 +0000 - tweet id 57534468008841216 - #109
@ColinTGraham @dansmath Well I have one eye on the last ever episode of Waking the
Dead! #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:04:45 +0000 - tweet id 57534573369757697 - #110
@ColinTGraham @suburbanlion
@suburbanlion Agreed, it tends to be more geoMETRY, rather than
GEOmetry... #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:05:39 +0000 - tweet id 57534796502536192 - #111
@republicofmath Are you pulling our collective legs? @dansmath chat interrupting
watching Dexter: uses geometry to solve blood spatter crimes. #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:05:42 +0000 - tweet id 57534812675776513 - #112
@dansmath i often mention soccer(foot)balls & the <5,6,6> pattern at each vertex; then
we all make polyhedra from cardboard and scotch tape. #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:12:35 +0000 - tweet id 57536543824429056 - #122
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#Mathchat – Monday, 11 April 2011 How do I introduce the geometry of the built environment into the curriculum?
@ColinTGraham @dansmath exploring tiling (tessellation)
(tessellation) is a great way of discovering
angle too... eg some pentagons tessellate, but not all #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:14:30 +0000 - tweet id 57537024139333632 - #127
@ColinTGraham @suburbanlion That was on leaving high school, 1st year undergrad, I
thought level 1.5 #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:15:35 +0000 - tweet id 57537296743940096 - #128
@republicofmath @suburbanlion Have found that student who has geom object out of
sight of others, & has to answers Qs about it, rises in VH level #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:16:17 +0000 - tweet
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@ColinTGraham Most of the problems or issues related to space and shape I see in 14yo
seems related to language of teacher being 'too high' #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:18:37 +0000 - tweet id 57538061441048576 - #131
@ColinTGraham @MrHonner Oh, well, try holding me back from origami, tangrams and
paper-engineering! #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:20:02 +0000 - tweet id 57538418598617088 - #137
@republicofmath @suburbanlion Yes. Student with figure has to look more deeply as a
result of Qs from others. Striking eg: icosahedron #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:20:40 +0000 - tweet id 57538577126522880 - #139
@reflectivemaths @ColinTGraham #mathchat I like the mind map but some of the
wording seems clunky. 'Shifting
ifting from simple identification to..virtual models..'
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:22:18 +0000 - tweet id 57538989468557312 - #143
@MrHonner @ColinTGraham I've used folding with concurrency, solid geometry, and
transformations this year. A nice change-up
change activity! #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:22:24 +0000 - tweet id 57539014554697728 - #145
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@reflectivemaths @ColinTGraham Presumably, because bricks are cuboidal. Obs Q
then is: Why are bricks cuboidal? #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:23:14 +0000 - tweet id 57539225272336385 - #146
@MrHonner Plus, I definitely believe working with your hands enhances creative, active
thinking. #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:23:26 +0000 - tweet id 57539272902844416 - #147
@ColinTGraham For me, using paper and Lego bricks and getting the Ss to build/make
things is one of the best ways of exploring geometry #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:24:07 +0000 - tweet id 57539443871072256 - #148
@monsoon0 Thanks #mathchat I hadn't heard of the Van Hiele model before.
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:25:32 +0000 - tweet id 57539801506775040 - #150
@MrHonner I just concluded a great project where students take photos and use
Geogebra to fit curves to them, like this: http://goo.gl/8dmNF #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:26:09 +0000 - tweet id 57539959262945281 - #153
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@baevmilena RT @ColinTGraham: Antonio Gutierrez's site http://bit.ly/ig70ao shows the
richness available when teaching geometry. #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:27:20 +0000 - tweet id 57540256420986880
57540256 - #156
@ColinTGraham @reflectivemaths They, of course, stack them one on top of the other
and I go past and flick them over... oops, unstable try again #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:29:28 +0000 - tweet id 57540790343315456 - #160
@ColinTGraham @reflectivemaths They go back, use the same number of bricks and
start building a base to support... becomes column... #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:30:54 +0000 - tweet id 57541153574240256 - #164
@ColinTGraham 20ish RT @reflectivemaths: And how many bricks (approx) would that
be? Also, what can you say they've learned by doing that task? #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:31:43 +0000 - tweet id 57541356054249472 - #165
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@baevmilena RT @ColinTGraham: There is a good mind map on the Van Hieles' model
http://bit.ly/eXUYc3 and the Wikipedia entry is good too: http://bit.ly/gOj2Qw
bit.ly/gOj2Qw#mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:32:24 +0000 - tweet id 57541528259805184 - #166
@ColinTGraham @CutTheKnotMath
@CutTheKnotMath Ok, that is out of context, because you removed the
paper-folding
folding stuff! I am happy with conjecture/play #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:34:11 +0000 - tweet id 57541977784336384 - #170
@reflectivemaths @ColinTGraham I'd've thought that 20 bricks could be just built up one
on top of the other no problem! #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:35:02 +0000 - tweet id 57542193128292352 - #173
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@republicofmath @NISSSAMSI Maybe random, but not uniformly so. Opportunistic
distribution. #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:35:34 +0000 - tweet id 57542325978677248 - #175
@ColinTGraham @reflectivemaths Not if the teacher comes round and pushes it over! I
don't tell them I'm going to do that though... #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:35:52 +0000 - tweet id 57542400947654657 - #176
@republicofmath van Hiele levels deal explicitly with proving. It's higher up in levels. So
not a question of age or grade, but VH level. #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:37:02 +0000 - tweet id 57542694716710912 - #177
@dmarain Triangle is the simplest geom fig that retains shape if side-lengths
side are fixed.
Not so for quads where sides&angles must be fixed #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:37:12 +0000 - tweet id 57542740069711872 - #178
@republicofmath @dmarain. Right - triangles are rigid. Why so often seen in buildings.
#mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:38:46 +0000 - tweet id 57543130915930112 - #180
@ColinTGraham @dmarain A table with three legs is always stable, whereas one with
four legs isn't necessarily so... #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:39:37 +0000 - tweet id 57543344993218560 - #182
@MrHonner @dmarain This is fun to show by taping three, and then four, long pieces of
cardboard together in a frame. #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:39:49 +0000 - tweet id 57543397333925889 - #183
@ColinTGraham I have done done a couple of lessons using drinking straws to create curves...
http://bit.ly/fQrRfe hyperbolic paraboloid-style
paraboloid #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:42:29 +0000 - tweet id 57544068544204800 - #186
@dmarain Property I mentioned helps Ss to see why tri's are used for simple trusses.
Now what are all the reasons for the honeycomb shape! #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:42:36 +0000 - tweet id 57544096557965312 - #188
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@MrHonner @republicofmath's
epublicofmath's pictures put me in mind of a student essay about how the
geometry of the lunch table changes the group dynamic. #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:44:50 +0000 - tweet id 57544656971513856
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@baevmilena I find dissections useful figuring out properties. Works cool with area
formulas. #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:44:58 +0000 - tweet id 57544693034135552 - #195
@CutTheKnotMath Good Should not you collect such Qs? @republicofmath E.g. why do
polyominoes have even perimeter? Good grade 5-7
5 question #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:44:58 +0000 - tweet id 57544692950253568 - #196
@vizlearning Get out your bikes...the MathStart Book of Day? "Racing Around"
(perimeter) Activity pdf: http://bit.ly/emu8Ia #math #mathchat #NCTM11
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:45:02 +0000 - tweet id 57544709719076864 - #197
@ColinTGraham @reflectivemaths @dmarain And the circle comes down to using the
smallest quantity of material to enclose an area...(?) #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:45:16 +0000 - tweet id 57544767516585984 - #199
@ColinTGraham @reflectivemaths Oh, I've done all those with real Lego many, many
times! Lego digital designer is great for visualization work...
work #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:46:25 +0000 - tweet id 57545055531048960 - #201
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@ColinTGraham @baevmilena I assume you mean dissections of solids and not frogs! ;-)
;
#mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:47:34 +0000 - tweet id 57545345269370880 - #204
@Turkeydoodles See, I don't even have to to show up for #mathchat and I learn things.
Thanks for telling me about van Hiele levels! #hsmath
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:47:36 +0000 - tweet id 57545353838338048
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@dmarain @ColinTGraham Have Ss guess how carpenter insures edges are parallel,
then bring one in to demo! #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:47:59 +0000 - tweet id 57545452505137152 - #207
@republicofmath Didn't James May try to build a real Lego house #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:48:08 +0000 - tweet id 57545490002219008 - #209
@reflectivemaths @ColinTGraham @dmarain Not sure. Circles are good, but very
wasteful if cut out of sheets of wood: likely cross section of tree #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:48:30 +0000 - tweet id 57545583065436160 - #211
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@ColinTGraham @reflectivemaths @dmarain Yes, this then turns into a packing problem,
cubes can be packed less wastefully than spheres. Tetrapak? #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:51:10 +0000 - tweet id 57546251981434880 - #214
@dmarain Many students struggle to relate properties to why ironing board stays parallel
to floor as it collapses. This is a good app! #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:51:19 +0000 - tweet id 57546290438995968 - #215
@CutTheKnotMath Where did I see this hinged table of 4 parts on 7 legs, now triangle
and now square? #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:53:06 +0000 - tweet id 57546740013858816 - #217
@ColinTGraham OK, any final thoughts for the last 5 minutes? #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:56:39 +0000 - tweet id 57547634205917185 - #224
@CutTheKnotMath Yes. It also had legs - project for kids @ColinTGraham I think it's
based on http://bit.ly/ftbHVh type of dissection, isn't it? #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:57:24 +0000 - tweet id 57547820944732160 - #226
@MrHonner @maxmathforum Is that the shell method, or the disk method? #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:57:39 +0000 - tweet id 57547882827481088 - #227
@dmarain Challenge to Ss: Construct an example to show that SSA fails. Measure sides
and angles of both and write down observations. #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:58:20 +0000 - tweet id 57548057411198976 - #229
@ColinTGraham @dmarain Challenges involving SSA would require that students are
working at higher Van Hiele levels, though, if not explored 1st #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 20:59:42 +0000 - tweet id 57548401872613376 - #231
@ColinTGraham I'm just wondering at what stage we end up teaching design technology
or engineering or surveying or...instead of mathematics! ;-)
; #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 21:01:13 +0000 - tweet id 57548781285150720 - #235
@LesLinks Thanks 4 letting me sit in 4 a little while.. do check out that garden
g link.. most
unusual, &great geometric structure things..;-D
things..; #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 21:01:52 +0000 - tweet id 57548945605402624 - #236
@MrHonner @ColinTGraham Thanks for the link! Maybe I'll design a whole
set.#mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 21:03:18 +0000 - tweet id 57549305476681728 - #240
@reflectivemaths #mathchat In our redesign of the yr7 SoW, we are having a term that's
linked to Design Tech
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 21:04:06 +0000 - tweet id 57549506882961408 - #243
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@MariaDroujkova Join @nprmathguy Keith Devlin: using video
video games in math ed 8pm
ET http://mathfuture.wikispaces.com/KeithDevlin #mathchat #edchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 21:05:06 +0000 - tweet id 57549761376563201 - #244
@ColinTGraham Have a good night, afternoon, day... whatever, and thanks for your
contributions! Archive online
line in an hour or so #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 21:06:06 +0000 - tweet id 57550011256422401 - #246
@dmarain Giving Ss two SSA triangles, having them measure all parts and drawing
conclusions is lower-level
level Van Hiele but still powerful! #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 21:06:49 +0000 - tweet id 57550190772621313 - #247
@cherrylkd @ColinTGraham #mathchat Thanks for good learning session. Could only
stay a short time but learnt lots of exciting lesson ideas thank you
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Mon, 11 Apr 2011 21:32:38 +0000 - tweet id 57556688932306944 - #253
@ColinTGraham @cherrylkd You're welcome. Follow @mathchat so you know when the
archive goes online and to hear about future topics too... #mathchat
Mon, 11 Apr 2011 21:33:27 +0000 - tweet id 57556893564026880 - #254
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