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@ColinTGraham If it's your first time, don't worry about following everything, just interact
with one or two people at first #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:32:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62599814839418881 - #3
@ColinTGraham Don't forget to use the hashtag ---> #mathchat and put it near the start if
you have to tweet over 140 characters!
Mon Apr 25 19:33:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62600213633830912 - #5
@ColinTGraham Last time we sort of got somewhere, so let's see if we can pin some
ideas down this time around! #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:35:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62600521042755584 - #8
@davidwees Non-math
math teachers are welcome to participate in #mathchat.
#mathchat #edchat
Mon Apr 25 19:35:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62600644346912768 - #9
@ColinTGraham First, let's throw out some short sentences "Mathematicians..." or "Doing
mathematics is about..." to get some ideas focused! #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:36:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62600816535674880 - #12
@davidwees @ColinTGraham
inTGraham Did we define "doing mathematics" last
Thursday.#mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:36:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62600836307619840 - #13
@ColinTGraham @davidwees We were still playing about with that, I think, David!
#mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:36:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62600994164441088 - #17
@ColinTGraham @mathonthemind OK, thanks. I'll extract links later in one place in the
archive so people can check them out. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:37:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62601214617063424 - #20
@mathonthemind #mathchat Applying math to real life is not always the answer. Life is
different for each person out there.
Mon Apr 25 19:37:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62601232879075328 - #23
@harrisonalg #mathchat Mathematicians can use multiple pathways to solve tasks, and
explain how they work.
Mon Apr 25 19:38:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62601467864952832 - #25
@davidwees @EmergentMath Good ideas. I'll use those ideas next year for sure! Share
the math to the community. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:38:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62601493315989504 - #27
@mathonthemind #mathchat I think that 'doing math'' means letting students the ability to
explore it and see what is going on.
Mon Apr 25 19:39:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62601520688021504 - #28
@shyj Sometimes kids don't even know they are doing math. May be better to let them
solve a prob then show them the math behind the prob #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:40:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62601871583494144 - #35
@bucharesttutor @chris_1974
@chris_1974 yes so pictorial wise Math can be better taught #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:41:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62602098256261121 - #41
@republicofmath Mathematicians
maticians do not just solve problems-
problems often experiment. See V.
Arnold's latest book #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:41:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62602232201363456 - #43
@shyj @ColinTGraham Yes, exploring and looking for the connections. School do the
reverse and scare kids off #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:42:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62602279093678080 - #45
@mathonthemind RT @shyj: Sometimes kids don't even know they are doing math. May
be better to let them solve a prob then show them the math behind the prob#mathchat
prob
Mon, 25 Apr 2011 19:42:01 +0000 - tweet id 62602282486870016 - #46
@reflectivemaths #mathchat Let's not get hung up on *real life* - that is _not_ all that
maths is about.. I like stats but I also enjoy a little pure maths
Mon Apr 25 19:42:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62602383385042944 - #47
@ColinTGraham Mathematicians ask "what if...?" and then try it out to see what happens
#mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:42:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62602397003948032 - #48
@davidwees @reflectivemaths Lots of pure mathematics has relevance in the real world.
#mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:42:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62602492827017216 - #52
@bucharesttutor Math is not only about problem solving but also about the analytical n
thinking abilities of a student #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:43:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62602550481915904 - #53
@mathhombre #InsteadofKhan:
#InsteadofKhan genuine problem-solving.
solving. collaboration.
#edchat#mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:43:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62602570169987072 - #54
@shyj @ColinTGraham Which is what we want kids to do right? Inquire, ask questions,
experiment, find answers #mathchat
#mathch
Mon Apr 25 19:43:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62602706061230080 - #56
@chris_1974 @ColinTGraham and ask "Why does that happen, and does that *always*
happen. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:44:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62602795299254272 - #58
@republicofmath @shyj What if the context is number theory? Does it have to applicable,
e,,g to coding? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:45:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62603039781044224 - #61
@shyj @bucharesttutor Analysis is so important, and starting kids off in math will
hopefully transfer to other areas as well. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:45:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62603234203807744
6 - #65
@kristigrande RT @bucharesttutor: Math is not only about problem solving but also
about the analytical n thinking abilities of a student #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:45:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62603254697164800 - #66
@republicofmath You need to get out out more often!! @ColinTGraham Mathematicians are
elegant in how they communicate their findings #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:46:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62603404123443200 - #68
@mathonthemind #mathchat Real life is counting money. Is that what we are looking for
with 'doing math'?
Mon Apr 25 19:47:14 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62603595564060672 - #73
@republicofmath @shyj @cherrylkd Applications are not the be all & end all
of#mathematics #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:47:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62603700321009664 - #75
@shyj @republicofmath The thing is everyone "does math" all day long, we just don't
realize it. Ts need to help kids "realize it." #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:47:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62603744315056128 - #76
@davidwees @republicofmath @shyj @cherrylkd But they are an easy entry point into
relevance. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:48:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62603840414945281 - #79
@ColinTGraham @mathonthemind
@mathonthemind I think I would class that as doing counting, or
arithmetic or sums.... not doing maths #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:48:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62603864507027456 - #80
@maxmathforum #mathchat so sad to miss this chat. Making an online course to support
college kids doing math with middle-schoolers.
middle TTY next week!
Mon Apr 25 19:48:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62603927845208064 - #82
@republicofmath @shyj When G,. Hardy did number theory it wasn't applicable. Now
turns out it is. Who decides? Who is wise enough? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:49:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62604058166435840 - #83
@bucharesttutor @shyj yes an in depth analysis of the students strong areas needs to
be researched n then emphasise on it further #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:49:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62604124633575424 - #84
@ColinTGraham @maxmathforum
maxmathforum You can at least catch up on the archive, now I've
sorted out how I'm going to do it! #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:49:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62604169130946560 - #85
@shyj @republicofmath The brave thinkers are wise enough - the risk takers, which is
what I would like Ss to be #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:50:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62604315772203008 - #88
@mathhombre #mathchat:
#mathchat: we need good verb definitions for those as the NCTM verbage
is lacking. Other groups have better?
Mon Apr 25 19:50:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62604426011090944 - #90
@republicofmath How often do kids in your class do #math projects of their choosing?
#mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:50:46 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62604482931994626 - #91
@decisionstats RT @republicofmath:
republicofmath: How often do kids in your class do #mathprojects
of their choosing? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:51:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62604546278572032 - #92
@republicofmath @shyj Sorry - meant who is wise enough to know what will turn out to
be applicable and "useful"? No one I know. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:51:55 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62604774134120448 - #95
@EmergentMath Teachers and students should define together early on what a "good"
math solution looks like. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:52:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62604902601474048 - #96
@shyj @davidwees @republicofmath I wonder if part of that is because Ts don't see the
connections. #mathchat
Monday, 25th April 2011How
How do I get students doing mathematics instead of just learning about mathematics? (2)
Mon Apr 25 19:52:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62604954136875008 - #97
@mathonthemind @decisionstats How would you present the diff. options to Ss? How
often do kids in your class do #math projects of their choosing? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:52:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62605020364935168 - #98
@republicofmath That's what I'm thinking K-20K 20 @davidwees huge % of math we teach is
taught in such way as to make it irrelevant for our students #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:53:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62605064614850560 - #99
@ColinTGraham @EmergentMath I think gettinggetting students to define what they think maths
is about, as we are, should be done regularly too! #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:53:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62605067185954816 - #100
@shyj @republicofmath Me either, but that's the beauty of thinking and dreaming, isn't it?
#mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:53:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62605181107441664 - #102
@GingerTPLC What would be an "everyday uses of triangles" math project in grade 6-7?
6
What could they do? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:53:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62605259159248896 - #103
@d_martin05 I think to convince students that math is important we need to stop thinking
that math is a page out of a textbook #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:53:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62605293107945473 - #104
@earlsamuelson RT @ColinTGraham Mathematicians ask "what if...?" and then try it out
to see what happens #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:54:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62605297348378624 - #105
@ColinTGraham @mathonthemind Role play as shopkeepers, yes. Also how many ways
can you give me £1.53 using coins, etc. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:54:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62605327308304385 - #106
@ColinTGraham @GingerTPLC I'd get them to build towers using straws #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:55:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62605627469471744 - #110
@d_martin05 I do agree with you Colin, math needs to be kept in a real world context,
NOT a pseudo context #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:55:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62605707249332224 - #112
@msokeeffe @republicofmath every term students choose a project they develop for 9
weeks. Math Circle picks any topic to develop for exhibit #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:56:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62605870483259393 - #115
@shyj Shoot! Starting to storm again. May need to shut down soon :( #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:56:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62605967828856832 - #117
@davidwees @msokeeffe I like that idea too. Lots of great ideas for making math more
relevant. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:57:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62606167498698752 - #120
@ColinTGraham @GingerTPLC Triangles are the basis of support in structures... ask any
engineer! #mathchat #seriousQ
Mon Apr 25 19:58:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62606340736024576 - #127
@mathonthemind @gingertplc Building bridges would be real life. What other ways do
we use triangles? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:58:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62606447002923010 - #129
@d_martin05 students who do not need a reason to learn math will be the ones
WANTING to learn the theory, for others context is crucial #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 19:59:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62606779732865024 - #137
@republicofmath To whom & how do you tell? @harrisonalg #mathchat Math has to be
believable, able to be held in one's eyes, mind, hands. Has to make sense.
Mon Apr 25 20:00:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62606823299096576 - #138
@cherrylkd @ColinTGraham #mathchat my phone keeps crashing. Thanks for the bit I
managed to participate in though. Good stuff as always
Mon Apr 25 20:00:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62606884573687808 - #140
@ColinTGraham @GingerTPLC I'd get your Ss to go out and take photos of triangles,
then ask why it's triangular #trianglesineverydaymath #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:00:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62606892899381248 - #141
@shyj @chris_1974 And visit those assumptions to clarify them so learning can take
place #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:01:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62607070553309184 - #144
@republicofmath What is "real" for you may not be "real" for me, or for students. That's a
problem. @shyj #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:01:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62607098655158273 - #145
@harrisonalg @republicofmath #mathchat Good pt, but to the user. Mine needs to be
relevant to me, yours to you, perhaps both similar, but still mkg sense
Mon Apr 25 20:02:15 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62607373973471232 - #148
@ColinTGraham OK, I think we are all reasonably agreed or clearer about what "doing
maths" is... let's broaden out to discuss doing it in class #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:02:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62607406328328192 - #149
@republicofmath I think I'm going to build one @debwhite Is there a site for K-12
K
teachers that has plans/resources for #math projects? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:02:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62607476348030979 - #150
@Saskateach I think
hink changing words can change our perspectives. Instead of doing math
what if we say being mathematicians. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:02:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62607483629355008 - #151
@shyj @d_martin05 Wondering, do kids need to know math theory to understand how to
do math? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:02:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62607495918657536 - #152
@EmergentMath Suggestion: students use triangles to build practice soccer goals for
your school. That would be "doing
ng math"! --> http://t.co/qOK #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:03:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62607607696855040 - #155
@mathhombre #mathchat How do art educators teach what makes good art?
Mon Apr 25 20:03:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62607653750312960 - #156
@chris_1974 @Saskateach i start school yr asking "whats the difference b/n being
b good
at maths, and being a good mathematician". #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:03:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62607706422394880 - #157
@EmergentMath Suggestion: stdnts use triangles to build soccer goals for yr school. That
would be "doing math"! --> http://t.co/qOKYA4q
http://t.co/qOKYA #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:03:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62607772352659456 - #158
@ColinTGraham @Saskateach That's the mindset, but we also need to be sure that Ss
have positive images of mathematicians! #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:04:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62607893509316609
626078935093 - #161
@mathonthemind When looking for triangles. Take the students out and take pictures of
triangles and why they are used where they are. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:04:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62607995808395264 - #162
@chris_1974 @shyj good question! I'll have to remember that one. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:04:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62608016205295616 - #163
@Saskateach @mathhombre There is a difference between studying the art of others and
creating your own. We can learn from both #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:05:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62608180332605440 - #165
@shyj @davidwees @republicofmath I think that's the beauty of math, it crosses all
cultures. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:06:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62608431298772992 - #169
@ColinTGraham @EmergentMath
@EmergentMath @mathhombre Many of us also like the idea of "being
less helpful" (@ddmeyer) or "Less us more them" (@garystager) #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:07:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62608583858196482
62608583858196 - #172
@ColinTGraham @padgets Hi Sharon, we'll let you off, there's still almost an hour
left!#mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:07:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62608676141285376 - #174
@danielespejo When students do 'mathematics' are they actually taking part in authentic
disciplinary work, or something contrived for school? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:08:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62608957583278080 - #184
@kristigrande RT @MrHonner:
Honner: Students and I often debate which solution is most
elegant, most beautiful, etc. Aesthetics is part of appreciation. #mathchat
Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:08:45 +0000 - tweet id 62609008556646400
626090 - #187
@republicofmath OK - you're in! @debwhite That would be awesome! If you need a K-5
K
consultant, count me in! #mathchat
mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:09:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62609099589820416 - #189
@shyj @davidwees @republicofmath And what a neat thing for the Ss to explore and
compare/contrast! #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:09:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62609308663287809
62609308 - #192
@mathhombre #mathchat Did an art/math festival that used rubric grading. Be fun to do
for just the math ... arguments/artifacts then voting.
Mon Apr 25 20:11:24 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62609674813448193 - #197
@danielespejo @ColinTGraham I'm not questioning the usefulness of schl math but how
close is school math to what a mathematician does #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:11:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62609778475671552 - #199
@shyj @padgets and justify the answer....leads to all kinds of learning! #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:11:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62609820804579328 - #200
@mathhombre #mathchat tho' sad to leave out the art. Would like more math artifacts
from students.
Mon Apr 25 20:12:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62609915000258560
6260 - #205
@mathhombre #mathchat Math in the City videos (Fosnot/Dolk) show students doing
math. Not online :(
Mon Apr 25 20:13:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62610225789812736 - #211
@republicofmath @MrHonner Very simple examples: number words in Maori are verbs;
counting in Hungarian quite
te different to Vietnamese. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:14:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62610427204476928 - #214
@Saskateach @mathhombre I admire work being done at Math in the City. That's the
math I aspire to teach. Not what I had when I was growing up #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:14:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62610577062756352 - #216
@mathhombre #mathchat So #insteadofkhan - what math videos would you want to see
on YT?
Mon Apr 25 20:15:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62610589746348032 - #217
@danielespejo @ColinTGraham why can't it be the same (at least to a certain degree) in
math class? #mathchat
Monday, 25th April 2011How
How do I get students doing mathematics instead of just learning about mathematics? (2)
Mon Apr 25 20:15:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62610594871779328
6261059487 - #218
@republicofmath Hits the nail right on the head! @shyj Most of the time I think math is
contrived for school and
d state assessments. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:15:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62610655118770176 - #219
@ColinTGraham @shyj @debwhite @MariaDroujkova Yes, get them while they're young!
But also work on the older ones too, to change perceptions #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:15:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62610663385739264 - #220
@EmergentMath Potential for Art and Math application? Amazing video of rainbow
painting robot. Area of circles? Radius, etc. http://t.co/S87eWee #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:15:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62610747066290176
6261074706 - #224
@Saskateach We need to help students play the "whole game" when it comes to math.
Math that is relevant to them and the world. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:16:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62610904155566080 - #228
@republicofmath The point exactly @danielespejo My BBall players do drills all the time,
but they play real basketball all the time too. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:17:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62611238298988544 - #234
@ColinTGraham @danielespejo But your students are also doing practice and repetitive
training... which is not 'real' basketball or is it? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:17:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62611264257527809 - #235
@Saskateach Could u imagine how boring it wld be if they could only practice lay ups and
never
er play games. We do that in math @danielespejo #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:18:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62611372457984000 - #238
@padgets #mathchat I am working on integrating more math into our new freshman
science class hopefully my fellow teachers go for it
Mon Apr 25 20:19:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62611662871601152 - #244
@Scorgo In sci we lrn abt scientist la we lrn abt authors - ss we lrn abt many ppl-
ppl arts lrn
abt artists Who do we teach/lrn abt in math? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:19:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62611709604544512 - #245
@Saskateach RT @Scorgo: In sci we lrn abt scientist la we lrn abt authors - ss we lrn abt
many ppl- arts lrn abt artists Who do we teach/lrn abt in math? #mathchat
Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:19:47 +0000 - tweet id 62611785974423552 - #248
@shyj @EmergentMath There is so much math IN art...just need to show how they are
related #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:20:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62611906212540416 - #251
@boomda181 RT @Saskateach: We need to help students play the "whole game" when it
comes to math. Math that is relevant to them and the world.
worl #mathchat
Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:20:46 +0000 - tweet id 62612031349596160 - #252
@mathhombre #mathchat re:BB Just think relevant math drills are not drills many
teachers use. Instead: practice the processes in focused ways!
Mon Apr 25 20:20:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62612054195965952 - #254
@Saskateach #mathchat The mind shift that math can be a social, collaborative, relevant
venture is important to make. Both for students and teachers
Mon Apr 25 20:21:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62612223054446593 - #259
@InnovativeEdu The reason folks like me don't like #math is cuz #teachers don't keep it
real http://t.co/dSQgVQy #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:22:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62612342894116864 - #261
@shyj @Scorgo No one :( Why is that? Are mathematicians too dull? The TV show
"Numbers" brought some interest to the masses. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:24:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62612925629743104 - #272
@InnovativeEdu @republicofmath - real means real in my life now & real tools. Don't
disconnect us. #mathchat #ihatemath
Mon Apr 25 20:24:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62612933154316289 - #273
@Scotian_teacher #mathchat great communication going on here! Love it. Will definitely
participate again!
Mon Apr 25 20:24:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62613032370581504 - #277
@ColinTGraham @republicofmath
@republicofmath @InnovativeEdu The same discussions about
'authenticity' are raised in the language class too (EFL hat on!) #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:25:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62613105833807872 - #279
@danielespejo Ideally we can get stdnts asking and giving the answers to the WHY
questions in math #mathchat tough to get there tho, it is a culture chng
Mon Apr 25 20:25:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62613169000022017 - #280
@padgets #mathchat well sorry it is so short but cooking dinner calls, take care stay safe
and tweet you all next time!!!
Mon Apr 25 20:26:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62613452753076225 - #285
@InnovativeEdu @danielespejo many #math #teachers can't answer answe y. Don't think
students will be able to because for a lot of it, there's no need. #mathchat
Monday, 25th April 2011How
How do I get students doing mathematics instead of just learning about mathematics? (2)
Mon Apr 25 20:26:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62613567995772928 - #289
@KTVee @InnovativeEdu yes - and teach in such a way that the question is answered
automatically! #mathchat #edchat
Mon Apr 25 20:27:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62613684714876928 - #290
@InnovativeEdu @EmergentMath #ihatemath is the way many people feel. Helpful or not,
tis true. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:27:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62613821293985792 - #292
@MrHonner Better to teach students to answer "why?" themselves. Let them find their
own meaning. And sometimes the answer is "Why not?". #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:27:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62613843607683072 - #293
@chris_1974 #mathchat I said i wouldn't do this, but pls help me make a lesson
les real by
voting in poll if not alreadt done. http://twtpoll.com/j01n98
Mon Apr 25 20:28:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62613877686407169 - #295
@ColinTGraham @InnovativeEdu
@InnovativeEdu @danielespejo Many can answer "why" but do so in
terms their Ss don't understand, so Ss stop asking. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:28:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62614013267292161 - #299
@InnovativeEdu @republicofmath - by real I mean that it is real to the learner. They see
a reason in their life for learning it. I nvr did. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:28:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62614021811089408 - #300
@mandared RT @chris_1974: #mathchat I said i wouldn't do this, but pls help me make a
lesson real by voting in poll if not alreadt done. http://tw ...
Mon Apr 25 20:28:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62614033521586176 - #302
@danielespejo Sadly I have to run out early on this #mathchat convo for easter dinner.
Take care all.
Mon Apr 25 20:28:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62614063032705024 - #303
@joe_bower RT @d_martin05: students who do not need a reason to learn math will be
the ones WANTING to learn the theory, for others context is crucial #mathchat
Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:29:08 +0000 - tweet id 62614140103036928 - #306
@ColinTGraham @MrHonner The best answer is "I don't know" because that defines
what you need
ed to find out... a must for mathematics! #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:29:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62614209837547520 - #307
@republicofmath @InnovativeEdu We're all trying to address the issue of why so many
people turned off #math & what to do about
ab that. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:29:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62614239688404992 - #308
@MrHonner @ColinTGraham I actually think the best answer to "Why?" is "That's a good
question!". But
ut "I don't know" is a good answer, too. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:30:45 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62614545738371072 - #318
@delta_dc Sorry I missed this #mathchat - I'm passionate about "doing math." This is
work we did this semester: http://t.co/PMvDLWt
Mon Apr 25 20:30:46 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62614547390939137 - #319
@republicofmath @InnovativeEdu Yes, this sounds like engagement. Starting from kids
interests helps. Why projects can be useful. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:30:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62614560284229632
62 - #320
@MrHonner @ColinTGraham Important to model for students that it's ok not to know the
answer. Finding it is the fun part, anyway! #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:31:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62614737493569536 - #323
@ColinTGraham @CutTheKnotMath
@CutTheKnotMath @shyj @republicofmath @InnovativeEdu Yes,
puzzles and problems... I got a lot from Martin Gardner... #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:31:55 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62614836542050304 - #324
@chris_1974 RT @MrHonner: Important to model for students that it's ok not to know the
answer. Finding it is the fun part, anyway! #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:32:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62614882176081920 - #326
@harrisonalg #mathchat Often sts don't care why, it is only the answer that counts in their
eyes. Must broaden horizons--builds
builds relevance.
Mon Apr 25 20:32:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62614957937795073 - #330
@shyj @republicofmath Agreed. But when teaching Ss do you think it is helpful to find
that common ground? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:32:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62615060194922496 - #331
@earlsamuelson …cont) a good answer, too. .......and then strive to find out
why#mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:32:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62615083192299520 - #333
@chris_1974 @harrisonalg
rrisonalg so give them the answer, get them to tell you how to get
there! #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:32:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62615093418008576 - #335
@InnovativeEdu I never learned Algebra & no #math #teacher cld tell me what I'm
missing. So far nothing #mathchat #ihatemath
Mon Apr 25 20:33:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62615148648611840 - #336
@Saskateach @harrisonalg I think that we have done a great job of teaching them that
their is one answer, one check mark, one page clipped. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:33:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62615208983670784 - #338
@Saskateach @harrisonalg Drill and Practice math is set up that way. Get the one right
answer as quickly as possible= success. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:34:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62615403079274496 - #343
@InnovativeEdu @republicofmath
@republico - I believe if we can't keep it real, we shdn't waste
anyone's time. #mathchat #ihatemath Change it by not teaching it
Mon Apr 25 20:34:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62615443172634624 - #344
@MrHonner @InnovativeEdu Just as important for students to know that "I don't know"
isn't a good answer on a test, or, to your boss! #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:35:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62615703760551936 - #350
@ColinTGraham @delta_dc And that the learner's approach to asking and answering
"why" is just as valid as any other if it leads to something... #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:35:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62615733061947392 - #352
@shyj @ColinTGraham My son has learned not to ask anymore. He will ask me or look it
up himself. Ask Dr. Math has been terrific! #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:35:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62615783318110208 - #353
@Saskateach Sad.RT @shyj: @ColinTGraham My son has learned not 2 ask anymore.
He'll ask me or look it up himself. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:36:24 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62615968760872960 - #358
@davidwees @InnovativeEdu We are actually looking for solutions. You are preaching to
the choir in here. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:36:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62616044560330752 - #360
@delta_dc @ColinTGraham yes, turing over the learning is important (and hard for some
of us). #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:37:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62616141402611712 - #362
@harrisonalg @Saskateach ...oooh, sounds like timed tests, now. Grrr. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:37:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62616196259917824 - #364
@Saskateach @harrisonalg Best not to get me started on timed drill tests. Long history of
trauma there :( #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:38:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62616516054630400 - #370
@ColinTGraham @InnovativeEdu I'd say exactly the same thing about sports I was made
to do at school... #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:39:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62616730563903488 - #374
@ColinTGraham @InnovativeEdu Part of being at school is learning to take the good with
the bad. #mathchat #ilovemath
Mon Apr 25 20:40:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62616895735603200 - #378
@davidwees @InnovativeEdu
ativeEdu That's not a solution. That's a blanket statement. Now give
us something we can take back to our math departments. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:40:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62616983086186497
62616983 - #382
@harrisonalg @Saskateach Me, too. I have come to math late in life b/c of
that.#mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:41:08 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62617156067659776 - #383
@InnovativeEdu @ColinTGraham
olinTGraham - Why are we forcing kids to take the bad? Y do I need
to be forced to study what u luvt? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:41:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62617285604544512 - #386
@splashmath @davidwees did you see http://bit.ly/splashmath . we have got some great
reviews ! #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:42:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62617394379632640 - #388
@shyj So what's the solution for Ts who want to become better at their craft? What can I
do in my classroom 2morrow? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:43:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62617844239708160 - #394
@CutTheKnotMath I think #mathchat is much like a timed test. Just try keeping with this
deluge of unordered questions and answers. Why like one, not other?
Mon Apr 25 20:43:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62617865932640256 - #395
@arpitjain11 @InnovativeEdu But then how will you learn how does excel actually
computes. Your basics should be put right #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:46:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62618488111505408 - #405
@shyj @Scorgo So kids need better role models?Do you think that would help aspire Ss?
#mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:46:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62618619221245953 - #408
@Saskateach @shyj I wld start w/rich question. Allow ss 2 explore, collaborate, discover
then bring back 2gether 2 share& teach each other #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:47:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62618725953699840 - #411
@republicofmath @InnovativeEdu Agree students need choice but you wouldn't let me
have my choice if I were in your class. Have to be real to you
y #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:47:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62618843121586176 - #416
@EmergentMath @shyj what do your students like to do? How can we find the math in
that? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:48:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62618957697400832 - #419
@earlsamuelson I think students who hate math and really don't want any part of it
shouldn't be forced to learn more than the basics #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:49:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62619157421768704 - #423
@shyj @ColinTGraham Sometimes I think both. In order for long term to happen baby
steps need to occur. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:49:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62619376045654016 - #426
@InnovativeEdu @MrHonner - the post matters when one of those issues is real to
someone. The site helps explain just in time not just in case #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:50:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62619441090920448 - #427
@republicofmath How can we get kids & teachers doing #math in class, not always just
learning techniques? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:50:30 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62619516642934784 - #430
@shyj @delta_dc I was in a classroom where kids were lrng about the metric system. T
hated teaching it b/c we don't use it in the USA #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:51:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62619679881052161 - #431
@earlsamuelson We need to try to find the best ways possible to help those who want to
learn math. #mathchat I think that's what mathchat is about
Monday, 25th April 2011How do I get students doing mathematics instead of just learning about mathematics? (2)
Mon Apr 25 20:51:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62619756292878336 - #432
@delta_dc @republicofmath This is what I've been thinking a lot about... Math is finding
shortcuts not taking shortcuts. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:51:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62619794800783362 - #434
@arpitjain11 RT @earlsamuelson: We need to try to find the best ways possible to help
those who want to learn math. #mathchat I think that's what m ...
Mon Apr 25 20:51:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62619850828288000 - #436
@ColinTGraham How w can 'they' find the math... RT @EmergentMath: @shyj what do
your students like to do? How can we find the math in that? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:51:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62619889386532864
6261988938 - #437
@shyj @Saskateach Love this....all teaching should start this way! #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:52:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62619892553232384 - #438
@splashmath RT @delta_dc:
@delta_dc: @republicofmath This is what I've been thinking a lot
about... Math is finding shortcuts not taking shortcuts. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:52:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62619966909849601
6261996690984960 - #439
@arpitjain11 RT @delta_dc: @republicofmath This is what I've been thinking a lot about...
Math is finding shortcuts not
ot taking shortcuts. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:52:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62619970433056769 - #440
@Saskateach @EarlSamuelson But it is often the math beyond the basics where the real
magic happens.We can't deny ss to opportunity to see this #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:52:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62620095398162432 - #444
@mattscully @InnovativeEdu how do you know when something isn't applicable or worth
learning? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:53:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62620183554035713 - #446
@ColinTGraham @shyj The baby steps part is my other favourite... Vygotsky and Zones
of Proximal Development. Maths is about finding next step... #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:53:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62620199098138624 - #447
@reflectivemaths @davidwees lots of maths has app in real world but _some_ of it
doesn't #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:53:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62620224226201600 - #448
@shyj @EmergentMath Devil's advocate coming: "We like to play XBox and watch
American Idol." T thinks-that's
that's not part of curric #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:53:46 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62620336029573120 - #450
@ColinTGraham @republicofmath Are not some of the techniques needed though? Like
practising backhand in tennis? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:53:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62620383077089281 - #452
@InnovativeEdu @mattscully - each learner can make the decision about when
something is worth learning for themselves #mathchat Learning shdn't be forced.
Mon Apr 25 20:54:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62620644633878528 - #459
@ColinTGraham @earlsamuelson And some teachers who have not been confident
about their maths have recognized that #mathchat has helped them too...
Mon Apr 25 20:55:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62620650384261120 - #460
@harrisonalg @shyj Good pt. I used 2 get stuck, too, now look 4 concept behind prob.
Sometimes it still flops, but keep trying. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:55:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62620854181306368 - #464
@republicofmath Yes, but who can tell? Alg geom eg in statistics. @reflectivemaths
@refle lots
of maths has app in real world but some of it doesn't #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:56:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62620900184440832 - #466
@ColinTGraham @delta_dc @republicofmath And then finding a way to explain why the
shortcuts work, and when they are best used... #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:56:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62620978726965249 - #467
@arpitjain11 @republicofmath It again depends on what the kid ends up doing in his life
li
#mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:56:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62621077884514304 - #471
@mattscully @InnovativeEdu maybe you are more astute learner than i am but I can't tell
before I learn something if I will be able to use it. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:57:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62621180686905345 - #473
@harrisonalg @shyj Also, find math in daily tasks. "How much Xbx does whole school
play in 1 wk?" No set answ, bt sm reasonable ideas #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:58:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62621457162833920 - #479
@InnovativeEdu @mattscully y bother learning it? If you're interested, then it's applicable.
If ur not, u shdn't be forced/tortured #mathchat #ihatemath
Mon Apr 25 20:58:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62621516818419713 - #481
@shyj @ColinTGraham I try 2 get Ts I train 2 take baB steps so they keep the pace going
instead of giant steps that can't b maintained #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:58:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62621535613104128 - #482
@ColinTGraham Why would they follow the Olympics! :-P : P RT @EmergentMath: @shyj
@delta_dc How could they follow the Olympics then??? :) #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:58:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62621603170758656 - #483
@splashmath RT @shyj: @ColinTGraham I try 2 get Ts I train 2 take baB steps so they
keep the pace going instead of giant steps that can't b maintained
maint #mathchat
Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:59:15 +0000 - tweet id 62621718748999680 - #485
@Saskateach Thanks all for a great #mathchat.. As always I learn so much from this time
together with fellow math friends. Must run my son to football.
Mon Apr 25 20:59:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62621745349279744 - #486
@ColinTGraham @shyj @EmergentMath And a creative teacher will find a way to bring
the learners' world into the delivery of imposed curricula #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 20:59:45 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62621844620062721 - #488
@mathinyourfeet @republicofmath Thanks! :) I'd love to find ways to help others combine
math with other content areas in an active way...#mathchat
way...
Mon Apr 25 20:59:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62621881412489216 - #490
@InnovativeEdu @DataDiva @mattscully I'll learn it when I need it. #mathchat Not when
someone else says, "I may need it some day."
Mon Apr 25 21:00:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62622013088481280 - #493
@EmergentMath Answer to #ihatemath isn't "Let's stop teaching it." It's "Let's make it
more interesting and applicable." #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:01:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62622175672283136 - #494
@arpitjain11 RT @EmergentMath: Answer to #ihatemath isn't "Let's stop teaching it." It's
"Let's make it more interesting and applicable." #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:01:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62622245184487424 - #496
@MrHonner @InnovativeEdu In your model, how does the learner know what they don't
know? What of ideas outside one's immediate purview? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:01:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62622247466184706 - #497
@shyj @harrisonalg Sounds like this would be a great project. It's the out of the box (or
txtbk) thinking that Ts struggle with in math #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:01:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62622318328946688 - #500
@ColinTGraham Well it's that time again! A very lively discussion today! Nice to see lots
of newcomers #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:02:24 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62622510100905984 - #502
@republicofmath @InnovativeEdu Sorry to say, but seems like you're using this forum to
address your dislike of #math.. There is a topic. #mathchat.
Monday, 25th April 2011How
How do I get students doing mathematics instead of just learning about mathematics? (2)
Mon Apr 25 21:02:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62622580003180545 - #504
@shyj @ColinTGraham m @EmergentMath Agreed. I hear many "reasons" why they can't
do it. Same ole story worldwide. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:02:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62622610374135810 - #506
@reflectivemaths @republicofmath What I'm trying to say is that there's nothing wrong in
doing maths 'for fun' #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:02:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62622651352498176 - #507
@delta_dc Adaptation of quote I heard: "If we taught talking & walking like
li we teach math,
we would be a nation of lame mutes." #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:03:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62622716083179521 - #509
@MrHonner @InnovativeEdu I guess that comes when someone says "I want to learn
more about X because I am generally interested in X"?. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:03:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62622766695849984 - #511
@shyj @coachk @Saskateach @emergentmath Definitely. Do you think most Ts have the
knowledge to make those connections themselves? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:03:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62622808143970304 - #512
@harrisonalg @shyj I lv "Fermi Questions" Qs that are big, but attainable. "Hw mny cars
bumper 2 bmpr frm LA to NY?"...car sz, ranges, distance #mathchat
Monday, 25th April 2011How
How do I get students doing mathematics instead of just learning about mathematics? (2)
Mon Apr 25 21:04:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62622969112969216 - #516
@InnovativeEdu @republicofmath - part of figuring out how to get kids engaged in math
is listening to those of us who hated it. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:04:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62623006878470144 - #517
@earlsamuelson RT @reflectivemaths:
@reflectivemaths: @republicofmath What I'm trying to say is that
there's nothing wrong in doing maths 'for fun' #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:04:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62623007532785664 - #518
@sjcprof RT @republicofmath:
publicofmath: How can we get kids & teachers doing #math in class, not
always just learning techniques? #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:04:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62623059391152128 - #520
@shyj @ColinTGraham @harrisonalg Can't tell u how many times I have heard "we
talked abt that" from Ts to Ss. Talking does not = lrning #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:04:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62623134225924097 - #521
@ColinTGraham Remember to follow new tweeps... and @mathchat for updates on the
Wiki: http://bit.ly/codZeQ #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:05:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62623239926579200 - #522
@harrisonalg @shyj Sts ts must OWN the problem/math, in own way. Has to make sense in
the mind's eye. Trick is in getting there #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:06:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62623553538895872 - #529
@delta_dc @shyj Teaching math effectively mean seeing big picture. Here's unit I used
as MS math teacher http://t.co/ZnjsuTf Hope it helps #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:07:45 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62623858057940992 - #531
@shyj @harrisonalg A definite trick that talented Ts master. Would love for everyone to
master this skill. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:07:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62623876848427008 - #532
@harrisonalg @shyj NCTM had an article this last yr on them in MTMS. Rich discussion,
and again, attainable. #mathchat
Mon Apr 25 21:11:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 62624684369395712 - #538
Monday, 25th April 2011How do I get students doing mathematics instead of just learning about mathematics? (2)