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@ColinTGraham Hello everyone, welcome to today's #mathchat

Fri Apr 29 00:04:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63755384917204993 - #1

@mathfour @ColinTGraham Hey


He there! #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:04:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63755483768569856 - #3

@ColinTGraham As always, if your tweets are protected you may want to unprotect for
the next hour or so, and don't forget the hashtag --> #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:05:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63755633861738496 - #4

@ColinTGraham @mathfour Hi Bon! #mathchat


Fri Apr 29 00:05:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63755669714649088 - #5

@ColinTGraham This week's topic is "How do I get my students to dig


deeper?"#mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:05:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63755862405156865 - #7

@peterflom @ColinTGraham @mathfour what is topic today? #mathchat


Fri Apr 29 00:06:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63756047709507584 - #8

@ColinTGraham Given the context of the last two weeks' discussions, "digging deeper"
could be extension/further investigation or planned! #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:08:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63756434877333504 - #9

@padgets #mathchat hey everybody! I am Sharon and I am a HS science teacher lurking


and learning :0)
Fri Apr 29 00:09:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63756639974600704 - #10

@mathfour @ColinTGraham Wow - almost had to depart. The words: "Did you know she
had a rock in her teeth?" #parenting #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:09:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63756721386033152 - #11

@mathfour @peterflom Hey, Peter! #mathchat


Fri Apr 29 00:09:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63756809994899456 - #12

@ColinTGraham @padgets Hi Sharon. #mathchat


Fri Apr 29 00:10:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63756893251833857 - #13

@halebone @padgets Hi, Sharon! Welcome! #mathchat


Fri Apr 29 00:10:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63756997794873344 - #14

@padgets @ColinTGraham #mathchat hi there!


Fri Apr 29 00:10:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63757006611283968 - #15

Friday, 29th April 2011 How do I get my students to dig deeper?


@mathfour I wonder if digging
digging deeper couldn't also be "digging shallower" - like proving
commutativity, etc. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:10:36 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63757035715571712 - #16

@padgets @halebone #mathchat Hi there!


Fri Apr 29 00:10:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63757056984891393 - #17

@EDUCATIONCEO I might #tweevesdrop tonight. RT @colintgraham: Hello everyone,


welcome to today's #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:10:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63757065465769986 - #18

@ColinTGraham @EDUCATIONCEO All are welcome whether visible #tweevesdrop or


not! ;-) #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:11:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63757310803189760 - #19

@ColinTGraham What is makes "digging deeper" easier or difficult in your


lessons?#mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:12:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63757500738048000 - #20

@padgets #mathchat for me easier sometimes I question so much someone


s says enough
mrs. p!
Fri Apr 29 00:13:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63757695278256128 - #21

@ColinTGraham @halebone Hi Haley, did you sort out your tech issues? ;-)
; #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:13:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63757728421646336 - #22

@halebone digging deeper happens naturally when students are engaged ... and not at
all when they are otherwise. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:13:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63757875641716736 - #23

@ColinTGraham @padgets Do you think you are doing the digging


diggin there, though, by
asking so many questions? #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:14:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63757978431524864 - #24

@wilderlab “What is makes "digging deeper" easier or difficult in your lessons?#mathchat”


lessons?
Difficult when teachers emphasize rightness or wrongness
Fri Apr 29 00:14:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63758058731487232 - #26

@mathfour @ColinTGraham @padgets Good point - should you question or let


them?#mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:14:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63758134795186176 - #27

@ColinTGraham @wilderlab So cutting off avenues of exploration is


discouraging.#mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:15:14 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63758202348638208 - #28

Friday, 29th April 2011 How do I get my students to dig deeper?


@mathfour @ColinTGraham raham My favorite way is to always question their solution - right or
wrong. They say, "Is that it?" I say, "Is it?" #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:15:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63758362390695936
637583623906959 - #29

@ColinTGraham @mathfour @padgets Need to bear in mind that the ability to question is
part of "doing mathematics" so needs to be encouraged... #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:16:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63758425905037312 - #30

@halebone and dif. when std have been trained to ask - who's right? RT
@wilderlab:#mathchat”” Difficult when teachers emphasize rightness or wrongness
Fri Apr 29 00:16:24 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63758493529804800 - #31

@delta_dc The idea of "being done" is also an issue with getting students to dig deeper.
#mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:16:30 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63758519865839617 - #32

@mathfour @wilderlab If we assume everything is right (or everything is wrong) and the
proceed from there... #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:16:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63758524353748993 - #33

@ColinTGraham @mathfour "Is it?" Uh-oh


Uh she's being onnery again...
ain... ;-)
; #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:16:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63758593316495360 - #34

@padgets #mathchat well this usually happens after we conclude a lab when they start
asking first
Fri Apr 29 00:17:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63758669715734529
63758669715 - #35

@mathfour @delta_dc OH! I had a prof that would return proofs for redo - over and over
ALL semester! #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:17:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63758750862942208 - #36

@vtdeacon @mathfour @ColinTGraham absolutely! I do the same-


same that way it isn't about
the right solution but instead its about the thinking #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:17:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63758751395622913 - #37

@wilderlab “So cutting off avenues of exploration is discouraging. #mathchat” Yes, and I
frequently see right vs wrong... one way, the teacher's way
Fri Apr 29 00:17:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63758791631581184 - #38

@republicofmath I've had success with just saying: "you could dig a little
deeper"#mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:17:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63758828981858305 - #39

@ColinTGraham @delta_dc Is there a point where something is finished, though?


though
Finishing steps is an important part of success... #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:17:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63758845004091393 - #40

Friday, 29th April 2011 How do I get my students to dig deeper?


@decisionstats RT @republicofmath: I've had success with just saying: "you could dig a
little deeper" #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:18:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63758976776544257 - #41

@ColinTGraham @wilderlab teacher's way vs. other can be insidious


insidious where teacher is
not confident about their own mathematical ability #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:18:30 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63759022423154688 - #42

@mathfour @ColinTGraham Nope - I really ask that. I never give them body language or
tone that gives the "right" away. I let them decide. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:18:30 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63759025652768768 - #43

@mathfour @vtdeacon @ColinTGraham And if a student is wrong and confident it in, I'm
okay with stopping there, too. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:19:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63759253097295873
6375925309729 - #44

@republicofmath Noting in #mathematics iss ever finished. We can always dig deeper.
@ColinTGraham @delta_dc #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:19:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63759261573988352 - #45

@ColinTGraham @republicofmath With what ages? I could see this working with
'engaged' students at any age, but others...? #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:19:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63759284487458816 - #46

@mathfour Simple. Nice. RT @republicofmath: Ive had success with just saying: "you
could dig a little deeper" #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:19:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63759365865349120 - #47

@MrT_Ro In order to get students to dig deeper in math, I like to ask students to solve in
more than one way and then make connections. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:19:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63759373113110528 - #48

@wilderlab Agree! “@republicofmath: Noting in #mathematics is ever finished. We can


always dig deeper. #mathchat”
Fri Apr 29 00:20:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63759523625697281 - #49

@republicofmath Point is, whatever conclusion


conclusion you've reached in #math there's always
more lurking beneath the surface: dig deeper! #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:20:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63759546270744577 - #50

@delta_dc @ColinTGraham A product (proof, solution) can be finished but I want learners
2 B aware that there's always a "what if" to explore #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:20:36 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63759550423113728 - #51

@mathfour I agree. RT @republicofmath: Nothing in #mathematics is ever finished. We


can always dig deeper. #mathchat
Friday, 29th April 2011 How do I get my students to dig deeper?
Fri Apr 29 00:20:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63759608208035841 - #52

@halebone But, the success we're aiming for includes looking for extensions ... so, we're
never really "finished" ... just ... paused. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:20:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63759621025832960 - #53

@ColinTGraham @republicofmath Maybe the whole focus should be that #mathematics


is about beginnings... everything follows from 1st principles? #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:21:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63759659043004417 - #54

@mathfour Good one! RT @MrT_Ro: I like to ask students to solve in more than one way
and then make connections. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:21:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63759823170314240 - #55

@padgets #mathchat sorry watching the Big Bang this is awesome (as i tweet)
Fri Apr 29 00:22:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63759932595515392
6375993259551539 - #56

@climeguy The more engaging it is the deeper they will dig. The devil of course is what
we mean by "engagingly mathy" #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:22:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63759992485974016 - #57

@delta_dc I've gotten in the habit of giving questions on exams that my learners cannot
possibly finish so that they focus on doing math. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:22:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63760069208182784 - #58

@ColinTGraham @MrT_Ro It may be difficult in some situations to take that approach or


for Ss to see how to 'triangulate'. How do you facilitate? #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:22:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63760070118359040 - #59

@mathfour @ColinTGraham @republicofmath We define our own 1st principles. The


start is before the 1st principles. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:23:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63760155501797376 - #60

@republicofmath @mathfour We're


We're on the same wavelength tonight! #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:23:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63760287853051904 - #61

@halebone @delta_dc interesting! what GL? #mathchat


Fri Apr 29 00:23:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63760300289179650 - #62

@mathfour @ColinTGraham @MrT_Ro Carefully constructed problems where the


internal bits can match up so they can see similarities. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:24:08 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63760441284894720 - #63

@MrT_Ro The Ont. math curriculum states, "Using a variety of strategies..." for many
expectations which encourages digging deeper in math. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:24:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63760473295826944 - #64

Friday, 29th April 2011 How do I get my students to dig deeper?


@ColinTGraham @climeguy I think there is always that 'time/coverage' issue hanging
h
over, especially in middle/secondary classes. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:24:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63760512441262080 - #65

@republicofmath @climeguy. I also find that if I ask them to dig deeper they become
more engaged. They feel the power of their minds working #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:24:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63760573376118784 - #66

@mathfour @republicofmath
cofmath I think we usually are. Alas, I'm delayed in my RSS feed or
you would have seen more of me. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:24:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63760576773505024 - #67

@delta_dc @halebone these are preservice teachers but I would do the same thing at
any level. Here's an example http://t.co/MagfvaC #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:24:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63760606334943232 - #68

@mathfour Use the force, Luke. RT @republicofmath: They feel the power of their minds
working #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:25:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63760802800353280 - #69

@MrHonner I like @wilderlab's remark about rightness/wrongness. Similarly,


Similarl I like to
focus on creating questions, rather than answering them.#mathchat
them.
Fri Apr 29 00:25:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63760833771085824 - #70

@republicofmath Re "digging deeper": does "coverage" have any thing to do with


teaching students? #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:26:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63761050071347201 - #71

@ColinTGraham @mathfour @republicofmath The key key point to 1st principles is defining
the min number of postulates you can base assumptions on #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:26:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63761093545299968 - #72

@mathfour @MrHonner I prefer to just stand back and make sure no one gets hurt. They
create their own questions AND answers. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:27:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63761217914802176 - #73

@delta_dc I think it discourages it >> RT @republicofmath: Re "digging deeper": does


"coverage" have any thing to do with teaching students? #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:27:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63761276656041984 - #74

@climeguy I like posing neat phenomena that sparks their interest & questions. The
followup
ollowup questioning will make it go it deeper. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:27:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63761321811906560 - #75

@mathfour @republicofmath There IS a dress code in most U.S. schools, you know.
Coverage is taken very seriously. #mathchat
Friday, 29th April 2011 How do I get my students to dig deeper?
Fri Apr 29 00:27:46 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63761354108047360 - #76

@republicofmath Say what?! @ColinTGraham The key point


point to 1st principles is defining
the min number of postulates you can base assumptions on #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:27:46 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63761354242273281 - #77

@delta_dc @MrHonner @wilderlab I agree. We need to help learners to be problem


posers. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:28:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63761460081344512 - #78

@ColinTGraham @republicofmath You have to define what you are assuming at the start
as being 'fact' or 'true' before you go farther... #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:28:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63761613072764928 - #79

@mathfour @ColinTGraham @republicofmath Um... a postulate is an assumption. You


can't determine the number of postul's to make assumption.
assump #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:29:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63761690302496768 - #80

@MrHonner @mathfour Knowing how to get out of the way is important! I also do what
you do, challenge correct answers. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:29:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63761707268448256 - #81

@MrHonner My standard response to "Is this correct?" is "That is a very good question".
#mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:29:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63761798762987520 - #82

@mathfour @ClimeGuy That's assuming that what you pose will indeed spark curiosity.
#mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:30:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63761918267113473 - #83

@climeguy Caught you guys on a Starbucks (free wifi) break. Gotta go. Will definitely be
back. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:30:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63761997501710336 - #84

@delta_dc @ColinTGraham
ColinTGraham @republicofmath conditions R important - & often ignored.
But once in place then there is chance to play "what if?" #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:30:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63762032385724417
637 - #85

@padgets #mathchat darn windows update


update I missed the last 3 min!!
Fri Apr 29 00:30:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63762116083060736 - #86

@mathfour @delta_dc @MrHonner


@MrHonne @wilderlab I disagree - I think students need to
realize they ALREADY ARE problem posers. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:30:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63762116968067072 - #87

@republicofmath I learned this from W. Gary Martin @ MrHonner My standard response


to "Is this correct?" is "That is a very good question". #mathchat
Friday, 29th April 2011 How do I get my students to dig deeper?
Fri Apr 29 00:31:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63762174425833472 - #88

@mathfour @ColinTGraham @republicofmath Gotta start with, "Assume..." But I'm not
sure how many assumptions have anything to do with it. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:31:36 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63762318391132162 - #89

@ColinTGraham What do you need to accept as "true" before you can define area,
area for
example... Is 1+1=2 always true? #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:31:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63762334761496576 - #90

@delta_dc I stand corrected :) >> MT @mathfour: I disagree - I think students need to


realize they ALREADY ARE problem posers. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:31:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63762368559202304 - #91

@padgets #mathchat love the what if question :0)


Fri Apr 29 00:31:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63762396036071425 - #92

@crombies Just checked today, 12 algebra classes left for new material to cover and 2.5
chapters to go! Better talk fast...#mathchat
#mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:32:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63762532460011520 - #93

@MrHonner Well-structured
structured projects are also great for digging deeper, because it's
usually easy to suggest ways to do a little more. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:32:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63762544522821632 - #94

@ColinTGraham @climeguy Thanks for dropping by! #mathchat


Fri Apr 29 00:32:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63762554568196097 - #95

@POWERORGmath RT @ColinTGraham: What do you need to accept as "true" before


you can define area, for example... Is 1+1=2 always true? #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:32:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63762586419736576 - #96

@mathfour @padgets You missed a lot. I kicked @ColinTGraham. He punched me.


Chaos ensued. The fighting kind, not the math kind. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:32:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63762661720072192 - #97

@republicofmath I don't see 1+1 =2 as digging deeper. I see thinking about binomial
bi
theorem in terms of counting block towers as digging deeper. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:33:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63762747950759937 - #98

@ColinTGraham @mathfour @padgets No bean soup though! #mathchat


Fri Apr 29 00:33:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63762779349331968 - #99

@POWERORGmath Another great #mathchat stream! See you all soon!


Fri Apr 29 00:33:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63762858596515841 - #100

Friday, 29th April 2011 How do I get my students to dig deeper?


@MrHonner @padgets
dgets @jamestanton has built an entire library of wonderful "what if"
questions. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:33:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63762916696006656 - #101

@ColinTGraham @republicofmath So questioning notation of place systems or number-


number
bases is not digging deeper? #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:34:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63762933141868544 - #102

@republicofmath Yeah:
h: "what if ...?" @ padgets #mathchat love the what if question :0)
Fri Apr 29 00:34:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63762940909715457 - #103

@padgets @mathfour #mathchat goodness don 't make me tweet in there! LOL LOL darn
missed the soup again!!!
Fri Apr 29 00:34:08 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63762955946295296 - #104

@ColinTGraham @POWERORGmath Bye LaToniya #mathchat


Fri Apr 29 00:34:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63763133231153153 - #105

@padgets #mathchat @ColinTGraham are you ok little buddy? :0)


Fri Apr 29 00:34:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63763137408667648 - #106

@MrHonner @republicofmath That name sounds familiar: you've mentioned him in a blog
post, yes? #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:35:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63763191552950273 - #107

@padgets @mathfour #mathchat so did you do a headlock?


Fri Apr 29 00:35:14 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63763236851429376 - #108

@POWERORGmath Hi, Bye @ColinTGraham #mathchat Must Do on my calendar!


Fri Apr 29 00:35:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63763319638601728 - #109

@LaToniyaAJones Hi, Bye @ColinTGraham #mathchat Must Do on my calendar!


Fri Apr 29 00:35:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63763320854949888 - #110

@padgets @MrHonner #mathchat have a website?


Fri Apr 29 00:35:36 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63763328144650240 - #111

@republicofmath I would say so, but ....@ColinTGraham questioning notation of place


systems or number-bases
bases is not digging deeper? #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:35:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63763354031890432 - #112

@mathfour @republicofmath @ColinTGraham It depends. If you want to go all Bourbaki


all over the place then we can dig THAT deep. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:37:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63763682366193665 - #113

Friday, 29th April 2011 How do I get my students to dig deeper?


@MrT_Ro @ColinTGraham I'm coming from more of an elementary perspective on
digging deeper. Probably more difficult for Ss #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:37:15 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63763743057780736 - #114

@ColinTGraham The depth of digging could be going farther into the topic or going
g
backwards to the assumptions on which the 'facts' are based #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:37:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63763835202453504 - #115

@padgets #mathchat whoa who or what is Bourbaki?


Fri Apr 29 00:37:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63763836070670336
63763 - #116

@mathfour @MrT_Ro @ColinTGraham Whoa, there, killer. I think elementary is the best
place to dig deep. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:37:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63763896359600128 - #117

@EDUCATIONCEO RT @colintgraham: This week's topic is "How do I get my students to


dig deeper?" #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:38:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63763939997126656 - #118

@mathfour @padgets http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas_Bourbaki


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas_Bourbaki Group of
mathematicians getting together to write a book. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:38:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63763980157595648 - #119

@mathfour @padgets And then they decided that to write the book right, it would need a
book or 20 before it to REALLY explain the foundation #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:38:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63764102090203136 - #120

@padgets @mathfour #mathchat thanks! I am ok now


Fri Apr 29 00:38:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63764107119165440 - #121

@republicofmath Dig a little deeper http://wp.me/p1mk0j-1dZ #mathchat


#math
Fri Apr 29 00:38:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63764127402835968 - #122

@EDUCATIONCEO RT @colintgraham: @wilderlab So cutting off avenues of exploration


is discouraging. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:38:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63764134805782528 - #123

@mathheadinc Yeah! RT @mathfour I think elementary is the best place to dig


deep.#mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:38:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63764147569041409 - #124

@delta_dc @republicofmath @colintgraham We had this discussion Wed. Does digging


deeper
per require a set plan or is it ok to dig willy-nilly?
willy #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:38:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63764158629429249 - #125

Friday, 29th April 2011 How do I get my students to dig deeper?


@padgets @mathfour #mathchat ohh geezeee
Fri Apr 29 00:38:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63764178023886848 - #126

@EDUCATIONCEO RT @colintgraham: Need to bear in mind that the ability to question


is part of "doing mathematics" so needs to be encouraged... #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:39:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63764257145241600 - #127

@padgets #mathchat I am partial to williy nilly myself


Fri Apr 29 00:39:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63764267073155072 - #128

@ColinTGraham @mathfour @MrT_Ro ElementaryElementary school or elementary digging? Many


undergrads think all triangles always sum to 180 internally... #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:39:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63764321188069376 - #129

@mathfour @padgets "Bourbaki" wrote some of the most amazing math texts
ever.#mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:39:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63764330092564480 - #130

@MrT_Ro @mathfour definitely agree with you there. #mathchat


Fri Apr 29 00:39:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63764405220933633 - #131

@mathfour @delta_dc @republicofmath @colintgraham Willy nilly. Willy


Wi nilly. Willy nilly.
Willy nilly. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:39:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63764423726206977 - #132

@mathheadinc @delta_dc Don't need a set plan unless you want or need to. The
connections will be made. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:40:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63764459549757441 - #133

@EDUCATIONCEO RT @mrt_ro In order 2 get students 2 dig deeper in math, I like 2 ask
students 2 solve in more than 1 way & then make connections. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:40:24 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63764534376144896 - #134

@stefras Therein lies its magic! RT @republicofmath: Nothing in #mathematics is ever


finished. We can always dig deeper. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:40:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63764550218035201 - #135

@padgets #mathchat oh no she is going going going...going going LOL@mathfour


Fri Apr 29 00:40:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63764592404344832
6376 - #136

@EDUCATIONCEO @mrt_ro Believe it or not, some students get penalized if they don't
do a problem the way teachers
eachers wants, even they get it correct #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:41:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63764695127031808 - #137

Friday, 29th April 2011 How do I get my students to dig deeper?


@padgets @republicofmath #mathchat nope never heard of him her? my math buds got
me in the know
Fri Apr 29 00:41:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63764773975764993 - #138

@mathfour @ColinTGraham @MrT_Ro Don't they? All the triangles I have around here
do. Do y'all have different triangles over there? #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:41:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63764772889432065 - #139

@delta_dc MT @mathheadinc "The connections will be made." << How can you be sure?
(not disagreeing, just asking.) #mathchat
mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:41:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63764779055054850 - #140

@ColinTGraham @EDUCATIONCEO @mrt_ro Some teachers cannot see that a


different approach can arrive at the 'answer', unfortunately. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:41:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63764903332290561 - #141

@mathheadinc @delta_dc It's always been our experience when teaching calculus to
young people. You would be surprised. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:41:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63764933803913217 - #142

@republicofmath Dig to a plan, and if that doesn't work, willy bloody nilly!! Whatever it
takes to go a little deeper. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:42:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63764962258075649 - #143

@mathheadinc @ColinTGraham Because those tchrs were never taught that, never
learned to explore on their own. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:42:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63765121050230784 - #144

@kristigrande @delta_dc @republicofmath @colintgraham I agree w/@mathfour Willy


nilly. Willy nilly. Willy nilly. Willy nilly. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:43:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63765194685427712 - #145

@padgets #mathchat or saying


sayi I don't know works toooo :0)
Fri Apr 29 00:43:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63765237874180097 - #146

@mathfour @EDUCATIONCEO @mrt_ro @mrt_ro And I'm the girl to hunt them down and... well,
I'm from Texas. You know what I'd do to those teachers. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:43:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63765274779852800 - #147

@baevmilena I like to have my students realize the conditional nature of math by


questioning what they take for granted! Noneuclidean
Non geom. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:43:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63765328475336704 - #148

@ColinTGraham For me, the "dig deeper" is about encouraging Ss to ask questions
"Where does this come from?" "Where does this lead?" #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:43:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63765344455639042 - #149

Friday, 29th April 2011 How do I get my students to dig deeper?


@padgets #mathchat AHHHH glad I am in Iowa!
Fri Apr 29 00:43:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63765387396923392 - #150

@republicofmath Them !! @padgets #mathchat nope never heard of him her? my math
buds got me in the know
Fri Apr 29 00:43:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63765406380343296 - #151

@mathfour I love Gary RT @republicofmath: Dig to a plan, and if that doesnt work, willy
bloody nilly! Whatever it takes to go deeper. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:44:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63765451951448064 - #152

@padgets #mathchat opps sorry them :0)@republicofmath


Fri Apr 29 00:44:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63765547753549824 - #153

@mathheadinc @ColinTGraham A favorite of mine: "What happens when you do


something differently?" #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:44:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63765560864948224 - #154

@ColinTGraham @mathheadinc Or they never saw that as being


being 'maths' because it
wasn't following the 'learned algorithm' #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:44:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63765597716094976 - #155

@crownkindqueen @EDUCATIONCEO @mrt_ro OH and please show all your work. My


students think the answer is sufficient. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:44:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63765624257646592 - #156

@danielespejo @ColinTGraham When students propose solutions I challenge them to


dig deep by asking "what assumptions or theoriems are you using" #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:44:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63765627210432512 - #157

@kristigrande @mathheadinc @ColinTGraham Many teachers don't know multiple ways


so this idea makes them really uncomfortable.
uncomfort #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:45:46 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63765886976270336 - #158

@mathheadinc @ColinTGraham Exactly! That has to start when they are little. College
can be too late for some. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:45:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63765893116735488 - #159

@MrT_Ro great post by @republicofmath ~~dig a little deeper http://wp.me/p1mk0j-1dZ


http://wp.me/p1mk0j
#mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:46:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63765945541345280 - #160

@EDUCATIONCEO @colintgraham I am glad my math teachers weren't like that.As long


as we understood how & why we got right answer, that was enough #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:46:08 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63765977048948736 - #161

Friday, 29th April 2011 How do I get my students to dig deeper?


@ColinTGraham @mathheadinc And you can also ask "Are there different ways to arrive
at the same result?" #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:46:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63765995864588289 - #162

@MrHonner The infinitude of internet resources offer endless opportunities to dig deeper:
there's always something new just one cilck away! #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:46:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63766029804896256 - #163

@mathheadinc @kristigrande They sweat bullets! Poor things. #mathchat


Fri Apr 29 00:46:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63766031738486784 - #164

@kristigrande @EDUCATIONCEO @mrt_ro Often because teachers don't know multiple


ways themselves. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:46:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63766122012491776 - #165

@mathfour @ColinTGraham - Gary keeps leaving off


ff the hashtag. (I'm SO telling,
republicofmath) #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:46:45 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63766134662500352 - #166

@mathheadinc Also a goosie. RT @ColinTGraham And you can also ask "Are there
different ways to arrive at the same result?" #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:46:55 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63766173258481665 - #167

@padgets #mathchat ok watching the NFL draft and trying to tweet


Fri Apr 29 00:47:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63766251733921792 - #168

@ColinTGraham @mathheadinc College can be too late, but I have much higher
expectations of college students and kick them harder...they need it! #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:47:14 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63766254174994432 - #169

@kristigrande @ColinTGraham @mathheadinc So true!


true #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:47:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63766334101651456 - #170

@mathfour @mathheadinc What's a goosie? #mathchat


Fri Apr 29 00:47:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63766344641941504 - #171

@delta_dc @crownkindqueen @EDUCATIONCEO @mrt_ro I'd add share your thinking


to show your work: "Why did you do what you did?" #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:47:36 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63766346625847296 - #172

@mathheadinc @ColinTGraham
TGraham These days it's so much worse. More power to you,
man. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:47:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63766372412428288 - #173

@mathheadinc @mathfour WOOPS! A goodie! #mathchat


Friday, 29th April 2011 How do I get my students to dig deeper?
Fri Apr 29 00:47:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63766433955446785
637664 - #174

@republicofmath #mathfour #mathchat #mathchat #hashtag


Fri Apr 29 00:48:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63766497855684608 - #175

@ColinTGraham @EDUCATIONCEO The key point here is being able to say why the
answer
er is 'right', if that is what is important... #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:48:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63766537802235904 - #176

@padgets #mathchat stats of football (not soccer kind) drive me nuts talk about deeper!
Fri Apr 29 00:48:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63766581339099136 - #177

@mathfour @mathheadinc Okay - I thought it was some slang or something.#mathchat


something.
Fri Apr 29 00:48:46 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63766639602184193 - #178

@kristigrande @mathheadinc You've got that right! That's why we have to work very hard
to change this. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:48:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63766680614092800 - #179

@stefras @republicofmath I tke 1st principles to mean approaching a task from scratch,
not testing postulates to minimize the number used. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:49:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63766698045620225 - #180

@mathfour Thank you. ;-)) RT @republicofmath: #mathfour #mathchat


#mathchat#hashtag #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:49:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63766722431299584 - #181

@ColinTGraham @MrHonner Unfortunately, the "one click away" may (probably does)
does
encourage laziness and lack of critical thinking... #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:49:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63766764416274433 - #182

@padgets #mathchat hey there's the Iowa boy!


Fri Apr 29 00:49:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63766768069513216 - #183

@stefras YES! RT @republicofmath: My standard response to "Is this correct?" is "That is


a very good question". #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:49:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63766894813003778 - #184

@mathfour @republicofmath Y'know - if you use tweetchat it crams the hashtag on the
end for you. Great for people like me. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:49:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63766925917958144 - #185

@MrHonner @republicofmath @kristigrande That's a great point. Encourage students to


dig a little deeper by modeling it yourself! #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:50:08 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63766983925186560 - #186

Friday, 29th April 2011 How do I get my students to dig deeper?


@ColinTGraham @mathheadinc @mathfour I thought you were going on about sauce for
the goose, sauce for the gander... ho-hum!
ho #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:50:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63767043203280898 - #187

@mathheadinc @ColinTGraham Many students show me answers


answers without work. I want
to know how they got there. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:50:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63767108693143553 - #188

@padgets #mathchat we just did fossil dig diggin deep with geological time
Fri Apr 29 00:50:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63767160522153985 - #189

@kristigrande @MrHonner That's true. We need to keep working hard to get these
resources to the masses. It's unbelievable how many don't know! #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:51:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63767244387262464 - #190

@mathheadinc @kristigrande Sadly, most teachers don't have the power. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:51:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63767288196767744 - #191

@ColinTGraham @mathheadinc I often come back to the mental arithmetic... how did
you work this out in your head... write it down.... #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:51:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63767323659616256 - #192

@MrHonner @ColinTGraham Yes, the internet can enable laziness, but that's why we
need to teach students how to use it responsibly! #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:51:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63767378252673025 - #193

@delta_dc YES! >> MT @MrHonner: @republicofmath


@republicofmath @kristigrande GR8 PT.
Encourage students to dig a little deeper by modeling it yourself! #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:51:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63767413077966848 - #194

@mathheadinc RT @ColinTGraham I often come back to the mental arithmetic... how did
you work this out in your head... write it down....
down #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:52:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63767453116805120 - #195

@republicofmath @mathheadinc Last semester I used Diff Eqs book that had all
answers to all problems. How to get there ... !! #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:52:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63767597681885184 - #196

@ColinTGraham @MrHonner Responsible use of internet resources also requires some


som
kind of mediation. I don't think we can just 'throw' them at Ss #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:52:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63767655869452288 - #197

@mathheadinc @ColinTGraham I say, " How will your teacher know how you got to the
answer? Put your thinking on paper." #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:52:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63767668725002240 - #198

Friday, 29th April 2011 How do I get my students to dig deeper?


@kristigrande @mathheadinc
@mathheadinc Why? Are you saying they're being held back?#mathchat
back?
Fri Apr 29 00:53:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63767800677801984 - #199

@mathfour @mathheadinc @ColinTGraham Saying "I want to know how they get the
answer" makes it about you. It's not about YOU! #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:53:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63767823620653056 - #200

@ColinTGraham @mathheadinc The "write itit down" often gets through to 13/14yo why
algebra is written the way it is... shorthand for sentences! #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:53:55 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63767936048959488 - #201

@MrT_Ro What prevents students from digging deeper in math? Sometimes the learned
helplessness and lack of perseverance is disturbing
disturb #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:54:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63768035256840192 - #202

@mathfour @ColinTGraham @mathheadinc Quit making kids write stuff down! If that's
not natural then you're killing them! #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:54:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63768054852616192 - #203

@halebone @mathheadinc Some stds want to know what work to show - like there is a
'right'
ht' or 'wrong' way to work it out in their heads. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:54:30 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63768084795764736 - #204

@ColinTGraham @mathfour @mathheadinc totally disagree. It's about communicating


how you did something so others can understand/follow. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:54:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63768102592184321 - #205

@mathheadinc @kristigrande
@kristigrand They? #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:54:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63768121143599104 - #206

@padgets #mathchat okie dokie need to grade labs best get started lots of reading to do
Take care stay safe and tweet you all next time :0)
Fri Apr 29 00:54:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63768172729344001 - #207

@delta_dc @mathheadinc @ColinTGraham We talk about making your thinking visible -


think audience and purpose. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:54:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63768192954281984 - #208

@mathfour @mathheadinc @ColinTGraham Your teacher doesn't need to know how you
got the answer. It isn't about us! #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:55:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63768216660475905 - #209

@republicofmath Yeah, right! Who do we think we are? @mathfour


@mathfour Saying "I want to
know how they get the answer" makes it about you. Not about YOU! #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:55:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63768307521683456 - #210

Friday, 29th April 2011 How do I get my students to dig deeper?


@mathfour @ColinTGraham No, that is PUBLISHING math. DOING math doesn't require
communication! #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:55:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63768338077204480 - #211

@ColinTGraham @mathfour @mathheadinc


@mathheadinc It's not about writing everything down it's
about clarifying thought process and 'justifying' results. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:55:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63768344842600448 - #212

@kristigrande @delta_dc You're right! We have to keep modeling for teachers and
students! @MrHonner @republicofmath #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:55:36 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63768359824670720 - #213

@MrHonner @ColinTGraham Agreed, but the ultimate goal is to teach students to


manage themselves. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:55:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63768364954288128
6376836495428812 - #214

@mathheadinc @mathfour Ramanujan didn't write reasons to his proofs. He had to learn
to be taken seriously and so do math students. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:56:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63768490561114112 - #215

@mathfour That, I'm okay with. @ColinTGraham: @mathheadinc ... shorthand for
sentences! #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:56:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63768496793853952
637684 - #216

@mathheadinc RT @delta_dc: @mathheadinc @ColinTGraham We talk about making


your thinking visible - think audience
dience and purpose. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:56:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63768640184520704 - #217

@ColinTGraham @mathfour Doesn't have to be written, but I strongly believe that the
process must be recorded as well as the product/end-result
product/end #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:56:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63768644680814592 - #218

@mathfour @ColinTGraham @mathheadinc Again, they they don't have to justify. They just
have to believe they are right. Really believe. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:56:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63768686670004225 - #219

@delta_dc @ColinTGraham @mathfour @mathheadinc Sharing their process also keeps


a record that learners can use to monitor progress & reflect #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:57:14 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63768769239072768 - #220

@mathfour @mathheadinc Why do math students have to learn to be taken seriously?


That makes no sense. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:57:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63768848813408256
6376884881340825 - #221

@ColinTGraham @delta_dc @mathfour @mathheadinc And records of the digging can


be compared against other methods for similarity/difference...
s #mathchat
Friday, 29th April 2011 How do I get my students to dig deeper?
Fri Apr 29 00:58:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63768986160078848 - #222

@mathheadinc @mathfour If Ss are headed to college, they do have to justify it. That's
like writing a research paper without citing resources. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:58:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63769014949781505 - #223

@mathfour @delta_dc @ColinTGraham @mathheadinc If they're okay with that - and if


they record it in their own way, sure. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:58:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63769079172960256 - #224

@mathheadinc YES!!! RT @delta_dc: Sharing their process also keeps a record that
learners can use to monitor progress & reflect #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:58:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63769097019727872 - #225

@mathfour @delta_dc @ColinTGraham @mathheadinc But we often force them to write


it our way. That's not doing math, that's stifling math. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:58:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63769174597582849 - #226

@republicofmath Hmm! I have to disagree Bon @mathfour DOING math doesn't require
communication! #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:59:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63769220877524992 - #227

@mathheadinc @mathfour Ramanujan had to learn to write using already establish


methods as well as his own. Learning multiple ways is good. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:59:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63769313043169280 - #228

@mathfour @mathheadinc They don't have to justify squat in my math classes. College
math classes. And they do just fine. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:59:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63769358874329088 - #229

@kristigrande @mathfour @mathheadinc @ColinTGraham Many ways to ensure


students know the math w/out writing it. St must be able to explain #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:59:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63769386690940929 - #230

@halebone @mathfour justifying answers is important bc it provides stds with the


opportunity to reflect on how they got to their answer #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:59:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63769451669098496 - #231

@mathheadinc @mathfour Not if it's done the right way. No need to force. Show them
how the two ways are related. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:59:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63769451371302912 - #232

@mathfour @mathheadinc But he wanted to be a freaking mathematician. We're talking


kids who don't! #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 00:59:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63769451916562432 - #233

Friday, 29th April 2011 How do I get my students to dig deeper?


@ColinTGraham @mathfour @delta_dc @mathheadinc Writing mathematics 'our way' =
academic? rigorous?
rous? so other mathematicians
mathematici accept?... #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:00:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63769482111352832 - #234

@republicofmath If I don't hear words, see diagrams, see calculations, how do I know
they are digging deeper? @mathfour #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:00:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63769497315704832 - #235

@mathheadinc @kristigrande Maybe if the student is dyslexic, or something like


l
that.#mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:00:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63769573895315456 - #236

@baevmilena RT @republicofmath: Hmm! I have to disagree Bon @mathfour DOING


math doesn't require communication! #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:00:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63769581407313920 - #237

@mathfour We are getting "measuring" confused with "understanding" - you force them to
write
ite so you can measure their understanding. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:00:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63769711351046145 - #238

@mathheadinc @ColinTGraham Rigorously, or close to it, in addition to other ways. I


don't see the problem. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:01:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63769767219175424 - #239

@ColinTGraham OK, last thought: When we ask students to dig deeper, do we want to
see the hole or help them improve their digging technique? #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:01:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63769816602914817 - #240

@crownkindqueen @delta_dc @EDUCATIONCEO @mrt_ro Yes, in a brief constructed


response. I was thinkng this, but 140 charac isn't enough. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:01:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63769879274192896 - #241

@mathfour That's what I said. @baevmilena @republicofmath: DOING math doesn't


require communication! #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:01:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63769898828054529 - #242

@baevmilena @mathfour I am always nervous ss won't clarify assumptions and get all
answers "wrong" on a test or with others #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:01:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63769954016706561 - #243

@kristigrande @mathheadinc Why must it be written every time? We hold students back
by requiring things be done our way. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:02:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63770025319874560 - #244

@ColinTGraham OK everyone, it's that time again! Thanks for your contributions...
#mathchat
Friday, 29th April 2011 How do I get my students to dig deeper?
Fri Apr 29 01:02:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63770085373906944 - #245

@halebone @mathfour I don't think it has to be written. It's about getting stds to explain
how they know what they know. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:02:36 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63770121566568450 - #246

@mathfour @baevmilena But that's about the measurement. We're talking the math and
digging deeper. There's a difference. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:02:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63770136217272320 - #247

@baevmilena @ColinTGraham Oops I did it again! #mathchat


Fri Apr 29 01:02:45 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63770161102065664 - #248

@republicofmath @mathfour Not so much measure as assess. Trying to promote#math


understanding, so want to see some detritus of their thinking. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:02:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63770196917235712 - #249

@mathfour THANK YOU! RT @kristigrande: Why must it be written every time? We hold
students back by requiring things be done our way. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:02:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63770214147436544 - #250

@EDUCATIONCEO (Now that's the real issue!) RT @kristigrande: @MrT_Ro Often


because teachers don't know multiple ways themselves. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:03:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63770304450805760 - #251

@kristigrande @EDUCATIONCEO @colintgraham Thanks! That's the point. There are


many ways to determine that students understand. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:03:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63770333764784129 - #252

@mathfour @halebone Again, that makes it about you. If they are getting it, they will
know. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:03:36 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63770375514886144 - #253

@halebone @mathfour I think you can learn a lot about std understanding of concepts
through chatting w them. learning to explain is key #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:04:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63770490644344832 - #254

@republicofmath Yes ti does: if it's not communicated it's not #math (Oh boy! )
@mathfour DOING math doesn't require communication! #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:04:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63770515185217536 - #255

@mathheadinc @kristigrande We require our students to write everything. Ss flunk tests


w/o regularly showing work & forget processes 2 easily. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:04:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63770514052755456 - #256

@kristigrande @mathfour Seen it to many times!!!! #mathchat


Fri Apr 29 01:04:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63770545589714944 - #257

Friday, 29th April 2011 How do I get my students to dig deeper?


@MrHonner Thanks @ColinTGraham, and everyone, for another great #mathchat!
Fri Apr 29 01:04:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63770557031784448 - #258

@mathfour Math is as personal as underpants. The only person who really needs to
understand why you like what you do is you. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:04:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63770566951309313 - #259

@ColinTGraham Feel free to keep going, I'll be archiving in about 10 minutes or so, and
we revisit the topic on Monday... #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:04:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63770567106510848 - #260

@delta_dc @mathfour @kristigrande I often suggest that learners pick just one problem
that they will share their think on - NOT ALL of them #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:04:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63770620420292608 - #261

@mathheadinc @kristigrande Also, when they write work down, they can use their own
work as a reference. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:04:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63770657472778241 - #262

@EDUCATIONCEO @kristigrande @crownkindqueen @colintgraham @MrT_Ro We had


2 show work but we could still use alt. method. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:05:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63770776893014016 - #263

@mathfour @republicofmath Yeah, we're totally going to have to step outside on that one.
#mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:05:45 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63770915225350145 - #264

@EDUCATIONCEO @kristigrande @crownkindqueen @colintgraham @MrT_Ro And I


stressed alt. methods
hods when I taught #SpEd #MathChat
Fri Apr 29 01:06:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63770981570854912 - #265

@mathheadinc @mathfour Doesn't matter. It helps them be better students


overall.#mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:06:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63771056103636992 - #266

@kristigrande @mathheadinc Not suggesting


suggesting they never show work. Just saying that we
can't rely on that. If we do, we're not differentiating #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:06:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63771070309732352 - #267

@mathfour Although that brings up the question, "What is math?" RT @republicofmath:


"If its not communicated its not #math"
#math #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:06:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63771151905734656 - #268

@ColinTGraham @mathfour That was last week Bon! #mathchat


Fri Apr 29 01:07:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63771233120030721 - #269

Friday, 29th April 2011 How do I get my students to dig deeper?


@halebone how then do we assess? RT @mathfour: @halebone Again, that makes it
about you. If they are getting it, they will know. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:07:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63771270734557186 - #270

@mathfour @republicofmath If you define math as the communication of such ideas, then
indeed, you gotta talk or write. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:07:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63771368994521088 - #271

@mathheadinc @kristigrande You may not :) but I do. It's why the
the kid's calculus program
works so well. They need to SEE their own writing. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:07:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63771392499400704 - #272

@ColinTGraham @halebone @mathfour And how do they know that they know? Not an
easy thing to define... #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:08:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63771478927220737 - #273

@mathfour @republicofmath If all all you have to do is HAVE such ideas for it to be "math"
then no, you don't need to talk or write. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:08:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63771495922532353 - #274

@crownkindqueen @EDUCATIONCEO @kristigrande @colintgraham @MrT_Ro Yes,


and making models helps as well. #SpEd #MathChat
Fri Apr 29 01:08:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63771610968113152 - #275

@kristigrande @mathheadinc I agree. There are many reasons for writing work. It's when
never give alternatives to writing that hinders some Ss. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:08:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63771641817214976 - #276

@baevmilena @mathfour If we look at math as art, don't we have to communicate?


#mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:08:46 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63771675426172928 - #278

@mathheadinc @kristigrande Also, our experience has been that the more they write, the
more they learn, the more they see. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:08:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63771687447035904
6377168744703590 - #279

@mathfour @halebone And that really depends on what you are assessing. State
mandated things, you're right. "Deeper digging"
d needs none #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:09:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63771757181538306 - #280

@kristigrande @delta_dc @mathfour I like that suggestion! It also depends on how


involved the problems are. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:09:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63771869433696256 - #281

@baevmilena RT @mathfour: @republicofmath If you define math as the communication


off such ideas, then indeed, you gotta talk or write. #mathchat
Friday, 29th April 2011 How do I get my students to dig deeper?
Fri Apr 29 01:10:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63771989021700096 - #282

@mathheadinc @kristigrande It's only one way. They write, use manipulatives, whatever
they can. Then put it all together. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:10:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63771995766128640 - #283

@mathfour @baevmilena Is the hippy expressionist dancer who's naked in the trees
doing her thing, not doing art because she's alone? #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:10:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63772124728393729 - #285

@kristigrande @mathheadinc I'm not saying they shouldn't write! I'm saying it shouldn't
be the only way we determine their understanding. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:10:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63772162137407488 - #286

@mathfour @mathheadinc @kristigrande That's because you ignore the ones who don't
write (or can't assess them) #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:11:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63772274058203137 - #287

@mathheadinc @kristigrande Oh, I agree. Definitely. :) #mathchat


Fri Apr 29 01:11:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63772280840396800 - #288

@delta_dc NCTM does include communication as process of doing math >> MT


@mathfour If you define math as the communication of such ideas... #mathchat”
Fri Apr 29 01:11:14 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63772292517339136 - #289

@baevmilena @mathfour sure, I see your point. You can paint a pic just because you feel
like it. But won't you want to show it to someone? #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:11:36 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63772388344606721 - #290

@kristigrande @mathheadinc I agree! They learn from writing. They also learn from
making Podcasts and Videos explaining their thinking. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:12:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63772502442254336 - #291

@mathheadinc @mathfour You assume too much. We don't ignore any students and
"assess" them all. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:12:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63772527142502400 - #292

@mathfour Kristi's my twin sister RT @kristigrande: Im saying it shouldnt be the only way
we determine their understanding. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:12:24 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63772588979126273 - #293

@earlsamuelson .......just curious is this work completed by a 16 year old is considered


"doing math" Adding Permutations: http://t.co/L1ZKCR7 #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:12:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63772695040503808 - #294

@mathheadinc @kristigrande You mention podcasting and videos. Most of our Ss are so
low tech, LOL! Practically avoid it like the plague. #mathchat
Friday, 29th April 2011 How do I get my students to dig deeper?
Fri Apr 29 01:12:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63772731589668864 - #295

@mathfour @baevmilena Again imposing your thoughts on me. Furthermore, what if I


paint in invisible ink, will you force me to use color? #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:13:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63772740544503808 - #296

@mathfour @mathheadinc But you assess through means that you can see.
se If they think
math in a way you can't see it, you "ignore" progress #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:13:45 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63772928684195840 - #297

@halebone Metcognition is getting lost if we don't ask students how they find their
answers. Deeper thinking cannot be reached w/o it! #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:13:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63772948716195840 - #298

@FlyontheCWall good one! ;-) ; ) RT @colintgraham: @mathheadinc And you can also ask
"Are there different ways to arrive at the same result?" #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:14:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63773008644411393 - #299

@delta_dc @kristigrande @mathheadinc - Brian Cambourne says that we talk our way to
understanding. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:14:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63773020107456513 - #300

@mathheadinc @mathfour They show us in one way or another. Writing is just one of
them. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:14:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63773084422905856 - #301

@mathheadinc Many students need to talk it out. RT @delta_dc: - Brian Cambourne says
that we talk our way to understanding.
understanding #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:14:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63773236420288512 - #302

@mathfour Now we're getting somewhere. :D RT @mathheadinc: They show us in one


way or another. Writing is just one of them. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:15:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63773315755552768 - #303

@kristigrande @delta_dc @mathheadinc Bea Harris says that we have talk about
learning
g B4 we can write about it. The natural process. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:15:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63773414959226881 - #304

@mathheadinc @mathfour Now you're catching up :D #mathchat


Fri Apr 29 01:15:45 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63773430243266560
63773430243 - #305

@mathfour @mathheadinc How about if they smile and breathe deeply and wiggle -
Daughter does that and I know she's
she understanding something. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:15:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63773477726978048 - #306

@baevmilena @mathfour lol, I really liked the image of the hippy dancer! Agreed. We are
talking the same stuff. #mathchat
Friday, 29th April 2011 How do I get my students to dig deeper?
Fri Apr 29 01:16:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63773532416507904 - #307

@mathheadinc @kristigrande Babies learn without writing, absolutely. #mathchat


Fri Apr 29 01:16:15 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63773556189822978 - #308

@dansmath @mathfour sorry i missed #mathchat.. what do you mean by 'proving


commutativity'? (it's a property, not a theorem.)
Fri Apr 29 01:16:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63773561877299200 - #309

@delta_dc YES! > MT @halebone: Metcognition lost if we don't ask stus how they find
their answers.
s. Deeper thinking cannot be reached w/o it! #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:16:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63773592537661440 - #310

@mathfour @EarlSamuelson Hey - will you be at #HSMath tonight (I totally forgot my


plug with this crowd) #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:16:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63773602847268864 - #311

@mathfour By the way, y'all. Wanna talk some really interesting math - #HSMath chat will
be discussing Living Math in 45 minutes or so. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:16:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63773727980130304 - #312

@ColinTGraham @dansmath
nsmath @mathfour Oh don't ask her to write anything, she'll bit
your head off! :-P #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:17:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63773773769355264 - #313

@mathheadinc @mathfour True, I read my students very well. It's one way I
assess.#mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:17:08 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63773781260386304 - #314

@ColinTGraham @dansmath @mathfour Oh don't ask her to write anything, she'll bite
your head off! :-P #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:17:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63773918636412928 - #315

@mathfour @dansmath Well, dude, you can certainly prove that a system is commutative.
I gotta keep this stuff <140, y'know. ;-)
; #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:17:46 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63773937187819520 - #316

@mathfour @ColinTGraham @dansmath


@da RAARRRWW! :D #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:18:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63774018389540864 - #317

@halebone @mathfour agreed, sometimes you don't need to assess. but I think that 'how
you know what you know' is key to rich digging #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:18:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63774042192228352 - #318

@kristigrande @mathheadinc That's sad! Did you know that students can Podcast from
their cell phones? #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:18:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63774074081517568 - #319

Friday, 29th April 2011 How do I get my students to dig deeper?


@mathfour Math is the most fun you can have with your boots on. #mathchat
Fri Apr 29 01:18:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63774070977740800 - #320

@ckeech Cool! RT "@padgets: #mathchat we just did fossil dig diggin deep with
geological time” #edchat
Fri Apr 29 01:18:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 63774224350855168 - #321

Friday, 29th April 2011 How do I get my students to dig deeper?