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BABY TRAFFICKING CONDUCTED BY NUNS IN

The TeleGracia News Team travelled to Dublin,

Ireland to investigate the crimes committed by the
Vatican unto innocent people. They were
astonished to find irrefutable evidence of the
corrupt baby exporting business administered by
the Catholic Nuns in this nation and facilitated by
the Irish government. The team came across the
book “Banished Babies” written by Mike Milotte, a
former RTE news correspondent who came across
all the documents forged by the nuns to carry out
the criminal act of stealing innocent Irish babies
and selling them to American families and abroad.

Below is the transcript of the interview conducted

by TeleGracia News Correspondent
Axel Cooley with Mike Milotte.

Part of this astonishing interview is available for viewing at:

http://www.youtube.com/vaticancrimes#p/u/6/0sje6seBDQo

Axel Cooley (AC): We’re speaking to Mike Milotte, former RTE Current Affairs
reporter and also the author of the book “Banished Babies”. It’s the story of baby
trafficking organized by nuns, sanctioned by the archbishop, administered by civil
servants, approved by politicians, whose main concern was secrecy. Mike, thank
you for joining us tonight and answering our questions. We definitely have a lot of
inquiries as a result of coming across your book “Banished Babies”. Can you tell us
a bit about the history of Ireland’s export baby business?

Mike Milotte (MM): Well, this story began to emerge in the 1990’s around the
same time a lot of other stories began to arise about the care - or lack of care - of
children by the state and by other institutions run by the catholic church, stories
began to come out about children being sent to America for adoption - something
that people had not heard about before.

The stories were very scant, few and far between, at the beginning. And one of the
things that I remember clearly, one of the first stories I heard, was a woman who
worked for Aer Lingus (which is Ireland’s National Air Carrier) telling a story about
escorting children to America. In Des Plaines there were flight attendants working

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on the airplanes, and part of their jobs, it seems, was to deliver children to
America… and she often wondered what this was all about because it happened
regularly, but she never really found out. And I talked to this woman and she told
me a story where she was in the Aer Lingus office in Dublin one day, when an
American couple came in and very loudly said,

- “Hello! We are here from America. We’d like to thank you for the babies that we
bought!! And we are here to buy another one!”

And she was absolutely astonished! They came

from nowhere and they came in and thanked the
staff and thanked Ireland for letting them buy the
babies. So, that’s when I became interested in this
story, and I suppose being a Current Affairs
Journalist, I was always interested in something “a
bit more” - and adoption, if there was a financial
edge to it, an unknown scandal that sort of whetted
my appetite and so I began to look into it. I did a
program on it, we went to America to find a lot of
these children that have been sent to America and
talked to them. It’s very personal stories, and then
it appeared as though there have been several
1,000 files in the department of foreign affairs in
Ireland that had never been released.

Initially, there was a denial on behalf of the

government ministers that there were any files, but
the very following day, the minister for Foreign
Affairs put his hand up and said “Actually, there are
files in my department. Thousands of them and I’m
going to release them”. And he put them into the
Public Archive, the National Archive, and I got hold
of them immediately - the following day - and the
book is based on that.

Basically, what these are, are the policy files. They are the state’s own files that
came out and a Department of Foreign Affairs relating to the entire period when
children were sent to America for adoption and I think they really reveal a
disturbing story that had never really been told before, and never really been
appreciated now even though I wrote this book. I suppose it came at a time when
the focus was on other obvious stories of child abuse - and this isn’t a story of child
abuse and I think there’s a lot of abuse involved. So it never really achieved the
attention that it probably deserved. It is a story that has never fully been told in this
country.

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AC: What sorts of stories did you come across that were quite shocking?

MM: I think the whole thing turned out to be very shocking because it was highly
organized by the Catholic Church. Basically, what you are talking about here is
thousands upon thousands of women and young women who had children and the
church did not want to admit that this phenomenon had existed there was any such
thing as children born out of wedlock in Ireland. And first of all, you can see that the
homes they were born in were called “orphanages” - you see, an orphan is someone
whose both parents are dead, whose mother and father are dead – but in this
instance, the parents neither were dead, neither the mother nor the father were
dead. They just weren’t married! But they called them “orphanages”, so it would
appear to anyone looking at them that all these children that were in there “Oh! His
parents had died”, but if you did the sums, that was blatantly ridiculous! You would
have mass deaths of young people!

Quite clearly, they want orphans all day with the children of unwed mothers - and
the church was always keen to keep the lead on this thing. It was a subject that was
never talked about it. And if the family had a daughter who got pregnant, very often
she would be put on the family home. She would have to go and find her own way -
and in some way, yes, the nuns were the ones that gave them somewhere to go,
but of course the Catholic Church created the hostility to them in the first place! So,
it wasn’t as though they were doing them a favor! They created the problem and
then they were left picking up some of the pieces. But, in fact, I think what is most
scandalous here is that they turned it to a business that at the time when this
began to really develop, it was immediately after the Second World War, and a lot
of American soldiers were based in Europe at the time and they had been taking
children from Europe to America in large numbers. They would ship loads of
children, taken to America for adoption. And then, a lot of the European countries
began to realize they were losing a whole generation, the next generation, to
replace people that died in the war, so the export of children from all of Europe was
stopped, except Ireland. So, a lot of American soldiers turned to Ireland to get
children.

I think that’s how it really began. There were no rules, no regulations nor adoption
legislation. It seems as though they could come here and take these children back
to America at will. In fact, the book starts with a story of one guy who came and he
was interviewed on his way back to America and he had two children and he said
they were surprised for his wife and that he had picked them up in an Irish
orphanage. Now that to me is quite scandalous! The catholic church I think then
realized that something was going on here and they didn’t like it because they
would have assumed and probably rightly so that most of the mother of these
children were Catholics. Ireland at that time was a 99% catholic country, but they
had no way of knowing what religion the people who were taking them to America
where.

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The Catholic Church wanted to ensure that the children of catholic Irish mothers
went to American Catholics, so at that point the Catholic Church stepped in to try
and put some sort of organization on this, and they drew up rules and regulations,
which State agreed to and the State was quite happy to leave the Catholic Church
to organize this.

And initially the Archbishop, the senior catholic cleric in Ireland, John Charles
McQuaid, was personally involved in this, in drawing up the rules and regulations.
And they turned to an American catholic organization called Catholic Charities, who
were given the job of vetting the children in America. The Catholic Charities was
given the job of vetting the would-be adoptive parents in America and their primary
concern was to ensure that they were Catholics first and foremost, and secondly it
seems they wanted to ensure they had some means of support, that they had
money, but the fact they were practicing Catholics seems to have been the primary
concern, rather than any concern with their ability to actually be parents of children.
And I think what emerged subsequently in most of these cases was that some of the
adopting parents had been rejected by the American Adoption System as being
unsuitable for one reason or another as adoptive parents, but yet they had been
able to turn to Ireland and simply because they wee practicing Catholics they were
able to get children from here.

So, the way it was organized the children were born in catholic-run orphanages –
which were actually mother child homes - run by nuns, the State had to get involved
because the children needed passports to leave the country. But the State seemed
to be happy enough to go on the verifications and documentation provided by the
nuns. The State didn’t appear to have an independent policy of its own and at that
time in Ireland the state did not want to do anything to upset the church, in
particularly John Charles McQuaid, who was a very dominant personality… and from
looking at State records, you can see that the State was quite happy to let the
church call the running in the adoption process.

AC: So ,they did nothing about it, they did nothing to stop it?

MM: No, not only did they do nothing to stop it, they facilitated it at every turn! The
state issued passports to children and the state required mothers to sign - the
mother had to sign two documents which came in to state’s possession. The first
was an application for a passport for their child and the second, was an agreement
to adoption by the child in America. Now, I have looked at a lot of these documents
because they remain in state files and the signatures are different. The signatures
were actually forged – I can say that quite authoritatively - the signature were
forged by nuns and they were so disregarding of the state authorities - or of anyone
questioning this - that they didn’t care that they had forged and put a different
signature on each of these two critical legal documents. So, you see a signature of a
mother applying for a passport for a child is completely different from the signature

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of the same mother agreeing to the adoption of that child, and I’ve seen a number
of documents like that.

AC: Can you explain to us the sorts of documents you would fin? Were
they cooperative in providing these to you?

MM: Once the archive came into public domain…you see, its policy here that state
archives come into public domain after 30 years. This was more like 40 years, 50
years in some cases, before these documents were released, but they decided to
release the whole lot together, so some of them were even predated, they hadn’t
quite gone the 30 years when I got my hands on them. So, yes, once the
Department of Foreign Affairs decided to release these documents, they released
them very fully indeed, but what they did do was they took names out, so none of
the documents identified individuals. These were documents about state policy and
about the concerns that the state might have had at various times about their
dealings with the Catholic Church, about their dealings with American diplomats.
They were mostly documents generated around the process of issuing passports
because that was the main involvement of the state, was the issuing of passports.

AC: Do we know which catholic run orphanages were taking place in this
scenario?

MM: Well, most of them were. I’m sorry, I’m not going to be able to name them, but
they are all named in the book. Do you want me to look at the book and sort of
say?

AC: Yes! It’s just that, some people don’t believe that people who supposedly
“represent God” would do something like this. Do we know which catholic
orphanage it is?

MM: Yes, we do. I have detailed them all in the book and I can tell you some of
them. The biggest was St. Patrick’s School, which was in Dublin - records show that
they sent 515 children to America. The next was Sean Ross Abby which sent 438
children. The Mother and Child Home in Castle Pollard which sent 278 children. St.
Patrick’s Home - again in Dublin - sent 254. St. Clare’s in Stamullen (which is just
outside Dublin) sent 130, The Secret Heart Convent in Cork sent 98, and the
Catholic Aids Women Adoption Society in Cork sent 37. St. Joseph’s Convent in
Crume sent 29, and then there was a Protestant one, the Protestant Adoption
Society - well, all of them combined sent a total of 24.

So, you see it is predominately a Catholic operation. St. Bridget’s Orphanage sent
14, and then some miscellaneous, because there were a lot of small children’s
homes operating here as well, sent 101. So, this is the total number of passports
that we know to have been issued and that comes to: 1,918. But, there were a lot

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of children, particularly in the early years, who went without passports and there is
no number on that.

There was also a very prominent scam involved, where American women would
come to Ireland and would go into a nursing home - a maternity home where
children were born - and pretend they were pregnant and they would come out with
a baby! The baby had been obviously born by now and they would go to the
American Embassy and have that child put onto their own passport. So, we don’t
know how many children fall into that category, but I believe that was a wide spread
practice. So again, the total number of children sent to America during this period is
unknown, which I think is one of the scandals.

AC: We’re speaking to a lot of people that perhaps might not believe that
representatives of God might possibly do something like this, what source
of other documents did you come across, registries? You actually said
over 1,918 passports were actually issued. Astonishing amount of
archives! When did you stop? It seems as though you opened up a can of
worms! At what time did you feel you had enough information in order to
produce the book?

MM: What I had was… the documentation was very thorough, these were state
documents. I did actually get access to Archbishop’s McQuaid own papers in
relations to adoptions, which is the first time his papers had been opened to
anyone. Now, they didn’t reveal an awful lot because I suppose he was intelligent
enough a man not to commit most of his thoughts to paper on this subject.

But, the state documents were very thorough and they involved communications -
because the children were coming from Catholic nursing homes run by Nuns - so an
awful lot of the communications (even around passports) was between the state
and the orphanage, between the state and the nuns. So, there are a lot of letters -
the mother superior who was running these homes - to civil servants, talking about
their requirements and their needs and their plans and prospects and so on. So, it is
a very well documented operation and the involvement of the church in it, is not in
dispute. It is not something that the church has tried to deny.

The church would say that they were doing “good” for these children, because at
the time, from the Second World War this went on up until the 1970s, Ireland was a
very under developed country, quite a poor country, and America was seen as
somewhere where the streets were “lined with gold”. And, if you could have a life in
America with an American family, the feeling was it could only be for the good.

Now, there might be an element of truth in that somewhere, but it reduces

happiness to wealth, and wealth is a very relative thing anyway, because I think
Irish nuns, looking at American families who had maybe a little bit of money, they

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would view them as wealthy, when in fact, in American terms they were actually
were not.

So, a lot of these kids were going to very ordinary run-of-the-mill American families,
where their prospects in life would be very mundane, they weren’t going to Beverly
Hills or whatever. But part of the problem that emerged subsequently, was that…as
I said some of the people who were refused adoption in America came to Ireland
and adopted in Ireland. And I know, from talking to a number of these now adults,
children who had gone there as adoptees, that they were adopted by people who
were sick and they had very, very hard lives and they came to believe the only
reason they had been adopted was in order to work from childhood looking after a
sick adoptive parent. So, that was a reality for a lot of these children.

I also spoke with one woman at length, who all she knew about her life was that she
was sexually abused from infancy right up to the age of 18. When she was 18, she
discovered that she was actually adopted from Ireland. She didn’t know that
previously, she found that she was actually adopted, she was then able to obtain
records of her own and she found that while this organization Catholic Charities had
been sent out to review her adoptive parents to recommend them as suitable or
otherwise and had recommended them, the Catholic Charities had never actually
interviewed or met or seen the father, the man who abused her - and the Catholic
Charities had been satisfied with the letter from the priest to say that this man was
a regular church go-er, and that was the only criteria that they applied. And on that
basis, this girl was sent to America to face a life of abuse.

AC: Overall, how would you rate the assessment of these adoptions by the
Catholic Charities according to what you discovered?

MM: I think…Catholic Charities is a very large organization in America - it’s the

biggest catholic charity in the country, but they admitted themselves at one point to
Irish civil servants that they did not have the man power to operate this system of
adoption on behalf of the Irish church. They just did not have experienced people
who could go out, social workers. If you are placing a child for adoption, it requires
a very skilled social worker to go out and assess the would-be adoptive parents to
make sure they are suitable in all respects as adoptive parents. Catholic Charities
admitted in 1956, one of the head men from Catholic Charities came into Ireland
and he was interviewed at length by senior civil servants in the Department of
Foreign Affairs and he admitted to them that there were huge problems in the way
Catholic Charities administered this scheme. They didn’t have the people to
properly assess adoptive parents, they had discovered even within their own ranks
there was at least one man operating a baby business, that he was somehow
getting children from Ireland in the name of “adoptive parents” that either didn’t
exist or somehow or another sidestepped. He was accumulating these children for
himself and then selling them.

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This is on record in the Department for Foreign Affairs in Ireland. This racket was
being run in America through Catholic Charities to sell children to “god knows who”
in America.

Now, that in itself is absolutely and utterly scandalous! But much more scandalous
in my mind is the fact that Foreign Affairs did absolutely nothing about it! They
didn’t try to investigate it, they didn’t go any further, their main concern - like the
Catholic Church - was to avoid scandal and this whole episode was brushed under
the carpet.

So, even though the Department of Foreign Affairs knew that there were major
problems with the welfare of children sent to America, they ignored that problem.

AC: Are there documents that somewhere tracked the kind of money
involved?

MM: Well, what I came across mainly was letters from these Mother and Child
Homes, from Nuns to Americans who had adopted children that, as far as I could
see, there wasn’t a price attached to children. You didn’t pay to adopt a child, and
in fact, from 1952 onwards when an adoption law was passed in Ireland, that made
it a criminal offense to charge someone for an adoption, so it would have been a
criminal offense to explicitly charge for a child in adoption.

But, what the Nuns did is they wrote very humbly to adoptive parents pointing out
that they were still looking after children, that they had very scarce resources, that
they didn’t have the means to purchase toys or proper clothing or food, but of
course that is highly unlikely given that the Catholic Church is quite a wealthy
organization! I have seen letters to that effect, from nuns to people who have
adopted children in America, and the people who adopted the children sort of feel
obligated to write a check, send a check. I think for some people it became habitual,
so that year after year, they would send a check every year to the Nuns.

AC: Are there documents that show how these children ended up in these
orphanages?

MM: Well, the way orphanages worked, the children were born in these homes - so
they were “mother and baby” homes. So, the mother would go into the baby home
when she was pregnant and they had to work for their keep. So, they cleaned - a lot
of the homes had land attached and they kept cattle, they grew vegetables, the
girls would work in the fields and they would clean the floors and scrub.

They would have to stay well beyond the period when the child was born. The
mothers would stay with their child up to 2 years in these homes, they were born in
these homes. So, obviously there has been very tight bonding with their child and a
lot of stories have been told when an American adoptive parent had been found, the

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Nuns would come in and simply take the baby and it’s done without notice, without
warning.

The mother could be told within hours notice to have her child ready, that the
adoptive parents had arrived to come and take the child. That obviously was very
traumatic for these women. A lot of these women that I talked to, were deeply
scared by that experience of having their child virtually snatched from their hands,
after being with that child - the child would have been 2 years old when it was taken
and that obviously was very damaging.

AC: They were taken away without their consent?

MM: Well, very often without their consent. They were made to feel that they had
to. I mean, there are such things as “informed consent”. If you are to consent to
something, you have to know exactly what it is you are consenting to - and that is
Common Law, and it was in those days as it is now. I would image - and from
talking to those women - they were put under such pressure that even if…

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