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A Close Quarter Combat Journal

Issue 1 Spring 2004

A New Pursuit/Chase Drill

Is Force-on-Force Training the Best?

By Ralph Mroz

In Iraq’s Shadow
By Eric Schmitt

My Number One Wish

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Spring 2004 Issue # 1

Table of Contents

From the Editor................................4

Stand Down on the Headbutts!........5

The Hochheim Group Report is published
quarterly by W. Hock Hochheim. It is the
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“I recently read your webpage speeches on the problems with head butting. I work as a patrolman for a city in
the Midwest and have taken Jeet Kune Do. A few years ago I got into a scrap with a perpetrator in the middle of
the night. (We learned later he was a walk-around and look-out for two burglars inside a music store.) During
the confrontation, we grabbed each other, and I tried to throw him to the ground, but his footwork was fast. I
saw a chance to head butt him. I lowered my head, aiming for his nose, then lurched forward. When I woke up, I
was laying on the sidewalk, alone, my gun and badge gone! I had knocked myself out when I hit him. This was
very embarrassing, and members of my department still needle me about it. On one of my birthdays they gave
me a helmet as a present. There was a cartoon passed around that pictured officers shooting at a range and
me, down range, head butting the target with this helmet on. It’s funny but, I think I could have been killed.
Killed by my own pistol. I don’t like head butts either. And, despite all Mister JKD__________’s words, I would
never tell anyone to head butt.” —Name withheld by request.
In the martial arts article, she turned to run—but wait! Time
STAND DOWN ON THE HEAD BUTTS! for one more head butt! She stopped and without even
looking, knocked her head sideways into the side of the
By W. Hock Hochheim
attacker’s head, then she ran off. She was swinging her
head around as though it were an impact weapon! With
Two students charged and wrapped arms in the classic
“fighters clinch.” They crashed and both, independently,
decided to simulate head butts - just sudden, simulated
“The practice of striking the enemy with your
forehead smashes that were meant for the opposition’s
nose. The bad news was…they did them simultaneously, head in a butting fashion can be foolish, as
and for the first time in their lives actually cracked their you could well be stunned or fall uncon-
head against something. One wavered, while the other scious, either way subject to considerable
dropped to one knee! I weaved my way through the bat- enemy attack.”
tling groups in my 1989 Texas martial class over to the
“You alright?” I asked, and being young and tough,
articles like this, it is easy to see why so many are simulat-
they shook it off and continued. Both, however, had lost a
ing head butts in training. I myself can fake a darn good
few precious seconds. At session’s end, the topic came up
one, but honestly at times when doing so, I often feel a
in our parking lot gossip session.
second or two of dizziness. That is without any contact!
“Is that what can happen to you if you do a real head
Why the head butt craze? The head butt is often pro-
butt?” he asked. “Possibly,” was my answer, but now years
moted as some kind of easy, secret, dirty, tough-guy
later, I have a medical/scientific answer to that very ques-
weapon. Observing a simulated head butt is a very seduc-
tion. What I discovered many martial artists are just not
tive motion to the novice student seeking street creds.
going to like to hear. That answer is a very big, real “yes!”
Simulated! But vets tell a different tale. Worldwide, very
If indeed dangerous, why is the head butt so prolific
few military close combat battle manuals even mention
in the martial arts? Why, recently did a major, martial arts
head butts. Most soldiers are wearing helmets anyway, but
magazine run an article about a woman who, when
special operation personnel may not. One British commando
attacked by a man, demonstrates no less than five head
butts? First, came the usual groin kick, but next came a
series of head hammerings, which of course the acting
criminal reacted to with dramatic, thespian devastation.
The New England Journal of Medicine recently
issued a warning to all athletes to wear helmets in their
activities, telling them the light tap of a soccer ball should
be avoided. If the skull is so tough and resistant, how did
football players like Dallas Cowboy Troy Aikman, their
heads ensconced in the latest padded, high-tech helmets,
suffer repeated knockouts and concussions? Because
their soft brains inside the hard skull, inside the helmet
still, freely splash and twist against the inside of the crani-

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manual warned, the brain are unable to regenerate. Repeated hits to the
“When you are stunned, or “Never do a head brain, even little ones, may result in a host of grave conse-
knocked unconscious, it’s butt.” Cautioned quences. Repeated injuries, even very minor ones have
from your brain splashing Dr. William Baker, been investigated. Some medical studies indicate prob-
a noted neuro-sur- lems like drug addiction, crime and other social misfit
against the inside of your geon. “But Doc,” I activity may result.
skull” have asked Baker
and so many other Sure, everyone has an anecdotal story about some Joe
MDs and EMTs, “what about using the harder parts of the who did a headbutt one night and survived, or we know of
skull to strike with, such as the crown-circling the top part a Neanderthal who has done several. Maybe Joe was
of your head?” This is often high-lighted by martial experts lucky. Maybe you should take a good look at Joe. Did Joe
as a so-called “safe” surface with which to head butt. finish high school?
Then other artists will tell you if you should head butt, try
to strike the nose of the enemy and there is much solace Do not misunderstand me. I am not telling you that you
in the collapsible nose giving way under such a hit. should never, ever, under any circumstances use a head
butt. There are rare times and positional situations when
“When you are stunned or knocked unconscious, it is that may be all you can do. In such a situation, steel your-
from your brain essentially splashing against the inside of self and do it! But first, tighten up your neck. If you are
your skull.” Dr Stephen Mendel told me. “If your brain holding the enemy’s head in your hands to try a nose
smashes up against one side, it will in most cases splash smash? Then you could and should probably hammer-fist
back, injuring the opposite side to a lesser degree.” the nose instead.
Unconsciousness also may result from your brain twist- Some of the biggest proponents of head butts have
ing-even ever-so-slightly-inside your cranium. At times with actually knocked themselves out when they have really
this twist, connectors can stretch or even rip free. It has done them in a fight! What I am warning you about is that
absolutely nothing to do with what part of your skull is you must not, cannot and should not build an entire fight-
thicker or harder and everything to do with the force that ing system around head butts. If you still disagree with
moves the brain inside the skull. “Another neurosurgeon, these brain surgeons, you may already be suffering from
Dr Kenneth Chen reports: the effects of one too many head butts!
Stand down on the head butts! God did not make your
“Sometimes the simplest bump on the head or a ding head to be an impact weapon!
from a fall could take away your sense of taste for life, or
your sense of smell, depending upon where the injury
occurs. You don’t want to risk these injuries.”
Still have
There are accelerated and decelerated brain injuries. If doubts? More
your head is hit from an outside force your brain is accel- brain ques-
erated inside your skull, hitting the far side of your skull. If tions? Below
your head travels to hit something, you experience a sud- are four of the
den stopping or deceleration of the brain. SPLASH! At best books
best, these splashes are also called—concussions! A con- I’ve ever read
cussion may result in temporary loss of brain function. on the brain.
There are three kinds of concussions. Read one or
more to gain
1) Mild - Confusion without amnesia. No loss of con- additional
sciousness. insight and
2) Moderate - Confusion with amnesia. No loss of con-

3) Severe - Loss of consciousness. If you find yourself

unconscious for more than four minutes you really
need to visit a doctor.

Next on this list of brain injuries, are contusions—the

bruising of brain tissues and the worst, a hematoma—a
collection of blood from a broken vessel. The brain will
swell from injury and, confined inside the rigid structure of
the skull, this is a very dangerous event. The nerve cells of
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In Iraq’s Shadow,
U.S. Snipers
By Eric Schmitt

plined,” said Lieutenant Colonel Karl Reed, who commands

Soldiering is a violent business, the Stryker Brigade’s 5th Battalion, 20th Infantry Regiment,
Davis’s parent unit. In the month since he arrived here on his
and emotions in combat run high. first combat tour, Davis already has eight confirmed kills —
including seven in a single bloody day — and two “probables.”
But commanders say snipers are a
He and his partner, Specialist Chris Wilson, who has one
different breed of warrior: Quiet, confirmed kill, do not brag about their feats. Their words
reflect a certain icy professionalism instilled in men who say
unflappable marksmen who bring a they take no pleasure in killing, and try not to see their Iraqi
foes as men with families and children.
dispassionate intensity to their
“You don’t think about it,” said Wilson, 24, of Muncie,
deadly task. Indiana, speaking at an austere base camp nearby after a
late-afternoon mission. “You just think about the lives of the
guys to your left and right.”
The intimate horror of the guerrilla war here in Iraq seems
Listening to his partner, Davis nodded in agreement: “As
most vivid when seen through the sights of a sniper’s rifle. In an
soon as they picked up a weapon and tried to engage U.S.
age of satellite-guided bombs dropped at featureless targets soldiers, they forfeited all their rights to life, is how I look at it.”
from more than 9,100 meters, or about 30,000 feet, army
snipers can see the expression on a man’s face when the bullet All soldiers are trained to destroy an opponent, but snipers
have honed the art of killing to a fine edge. At a five-week
hits. training course at Fort Benning, Georgia, they learn to stalk
prey, conceal their own movements, spot telltale signs of an
“I shot one guy in the head, and his head exploded,” said
enemy shooter, and take down their target with a lone shot.
Sergeant Randy Davis, one of about 40 snipers in the U.S.
Army’s new 3,600-soldier Stryker Brigade, from Fort Lewis, To qualify for the school, a soldier must already be an
Washington. “Usually, though, you just see a dust cloud pop up expert marksman, pass a physical examination and undergo a
off their clothes, and see a little blood splatter come out the psychological screening. (“To make sure they’re not training a
front.” nut,” Davis said.) The rigorous course fails more than half of
its students.
Working in teams of two or three, army snipers here in Iraq
cloak themselves in the shadows of empty city buildings or bur- The demand is great enough that the army has sent a
row into desert sands with camouflage suits, waiting to fell guer- team of trainers to Iraq to keep churning out new snipers for
the war effort here and other hot spots.
rilla gunmen and their leaders with a single shot from as far
away as 800 meters, or half a mile.
As the army faces more conflicts where terrorists use the
tight confines of city blocks and rooftops to stage hit-and-run
As the counterinsurgency grinds into its ninth month, the strikes, the sniper school has placed increasing emphasis on
army relies increasingly on snipers to protect infantry patrols urban tactics. That makes sense in places like this city of
sweeping through urban streets and alleyways, and to kill guer- 250,000 people, a hotbed of Saddam Hussein loyalists that is
rilla leaders and disrupt their attacks. 105 kilometers, or 65 miles, northwest of Baghdad.

“Properly employed, we can break the enemy’s back,” said “I shot one guy in the head,
Davis, 25, of Murfreesboro, Tennessee. “Our main targets are
their main command and control elements, and other high-value and his head exploded.
Usually, though, you just see
Soldiering is a violent business, and emotions in combat run a dust cloud pop up off their
high. But commanders say snipers are a different breed of war-
rior: Quiet, unflappable marksmen who bring a dispassionate clothes, and see a little blood
intensity to their deadly task.
“The good ones have to be calm, methodical and disci-
splatter come out the front.”
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“We try to get away from stereotypes Firearms are hardly new to most snipers — Davis and
Wilson grew up on farms, and both owned their first rifles
that you’re a psychotic gun nut, like before they were 10. They fondly remember hunting deer as
the guy in D.C.” Both men are married with children, but say they do not talk
much about their work outside their tight-knit clan.
The training paid off on Dec 18th. Dusk was setting in and
Davis was wrapping up a counter-sniper mission when he spot- “We try to get away from stereotypes that you’re a psychotic
ted an armed Iraqi on a rooftop about 300 meters away. He gun nut running around, like the guy in D.C., or like in the
said he knew the gunman was a sniper by the way he sneaked movies, a cool-guy assassin,” Davis said.
along the roofline to track a squad below Davis’s Unit - B
Company, 5th Battalion, 20th Infantry Regiment. There are not many targets these men dread, but in the
shifting battlefield that is Iraq, where seemingly everyone is
“The guy made a mistake, when he silhouetted himself armed, one candidate emerges. Would they ever shoot a child
against the rooftop,” said Davis, who has 20/10 vision. “He was who targeted them?
trying to look over to see where the guys were in the court-
yard.” “I couldn’t imagine that,” said Wilson, a father of five. But
Davis had a different view: “I’d shoot him, otherwise he’d shoot
Davis said that as the gunman rose from the shadows to fire, me. But I wouldn’t feel good about it.”
he saw his head and then the distinctive shape of a Dragonov
SVD Russian-made sniper rifle. Davis drew a bead on the
shooter with his weapon of hairs and a red aiming dot. Eric Schmitt works as a reporter for the New York Times cov-

“I went ahead and engaged him and shot him one time to the ering the Middle East.
chest,” Davis said, matter-of-factly. “I watched him kick back,
his rifle flew back, and I saw a little blood come out of his chest.
It was a good hit.” Three days earlier, B Company had walked
into an ambush in central Samarra. Gunmen on motorcycles
used children leaving school as cover to attack the patrol, Davis
“I went ahead and engaged him

By the end of the 45-minute firefight, the sergeant, armed

this time with an M-4 rifle, shot seven of the 11 attackers that
American commanders say were killed in the skirmish. and shot him one time to
“We don’t have civilian casualties,” Davis said of how he
avoided the schoolchildren. “Everything you hit, you know
exactly what it is. You know where every round is going.” the chest,” Davis said,
In city or desert, army snipers spend hours planning and set-
ting up their positions, often under cover of darkness. “We don’t
have the capability to survive a sustained firefight,” said Davis,
noting that snipers fire from distances well beyond their adver-
saries’ weapons. “We use surprise and stealth to accomplish
missions.” Army snipers generally choose from four weapons,
depending on the mission.
“I watched him kick back,
Davis’s standard M-24 sniper rifle, painted sand color to blend
in with the desert, is simple in design. It has an adjustable
Kevlar stock, a thick stainless steel barrel, a mounted telescop-
ic and a day/night scope, and it is bolt action, rather than semi- his rifle flew back, and I saw
automatic, like other sniper rifles. It sets up on a bipod and fires
7.62-millimeter ammunition, hitting targets up to 1,000 meters

In the desert, snipers wrap plastic bags or condoms over the

a little blood come out of
gun muzzle to keep the sand out. They carry their weapons in
padded green canvas bags.

“We baby the hell out of them,” Davis said. They also carry his chest. It was a good hit.”
spotting scopes, laser rangefinders and barometers. Humid air
can alter a bullet’s course. Hot, dry air can cause a shot to fire

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6.7 Million in Prison, on Parole or

Probation in the USA

were women. More than half were white, one in three were
black, one in eight were Hispanic and 2 percent were of other

At the end of last year four states had an increase of 20

percent or more in their parole population, led by North
Dakota (27 percent), New Mexico (26 percent), Kentucky (23
percent) and Oklahoma (21 percent). Among those states
with 100 or more parolees, 17 reported a decrease in their
While one out of every 142 Americans is currently in prison, parole population, led by South Carolina (down 14 percent)
the stats change when you add in parole figures. One out of and Florida (13 percent).
every 32 is either in prison or on parole from prison, accord-
ing to yet another report on Americans from the Bureau of Nearly 448,000 parolees were discharged from supervision
Justice Statistics. This means that 6.7 million adult men and during 2002. Forty-five percent had successfully met the con-
women — about 3.1 percent of the total U.S. adult population ditions of their supervision and 41 percent had been returned
are now members of America’s “correctional community.” to incarceration for violating a rule or committing a new
offense. About 9 percent had absconded and 2 percent had
According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics’ report failed to meet their parole conditions but were discharged
Probation and Parole in the United States, 2002, the number without incarceration.
of adult persons on probation grew by 63,434 during 2002.
Probation is a court-determined period of non-prison supervi- Among parolees at the end of last year, more than one in
sion served following a conviction. The number of adults on seven were women, 42 percent were black, 39 percent white,
parole increased by 20,808, or 2.8 percent, almost double the 18 percent Hispanic and 1 percent were of other races.
1.5 percent average annual growth since 1995. Parole is a Robert Weisberg and David Mills of Slate Magazine recently
period of supervised release following a prison term. By the sited a 2003 report by Human Rights Watch that synthesized
end of 2002, an all-time record of 4,748,306 adult men and data and various perception surveys from around the United
women were either on parole or probation. States and conservatively concluded that approximately 20
percent of all inmates are sexually assaulted in some way
Thirty-five states experienced an increase in their proba- and at least 7 percent raped. A cautious inference is that
tion population during 2002. Ohio had the largest increase nearly 200,000 current inmates have been raped and nearly 1
(16,024 additional probationers), followed by Washington million have been sexually assaulted over the past 20 years.
State (7,487) and California (7,353). Thirteen states reported And, as HRW notes, prisoners with certain characteristics—
a probation population decrease, led by Idaho (down 12 per- first offenders, those with high voices and passive or intellec-
cent) and Nebraska (down 8 percent). tual personalities—face far higher probabilities.

About 75 percent of probationers were under active super- Moreover, the reports reveal that sexual slavery following
vision and were required to regularly report to a probation rape is also an ordinary occurrence. Stories abound of prison-
authority in person, by mail or by telephone. Half of all proba- ers who, once they are “turned out” (prison jargon for the ini-
tioners had been convicted of a felony, 49 percent of a misde- tial rape) become the rapists’ subordinates, forced to do
meanor and 1 percent of other infractions. Twenty-four per- menial jobs and sometimes “rented out” to other inmates to
cent had been convicted of a drug law violation and 17 per- satisfy their sexual needs. Prisoners face not only sexual
cent for driving while intoxicated or under the influence of assault from other inmates, but violence of all forms,
alcohol. often leading to horrific injuries and death.”

Of the more than 2 million probationers discharged from

supervision, 62 percent successfully completed the terms of “...about 3.1 percent of the total U.S.
their supervision, 14 percent were reincarcerated because of
a rule violation or a new offense, 13 percent had their proba- adult population are now members of
tion sentence revoked without incarceration and 3 percent America’s “correctional community.”
had absconded.

As of last Dec 31, 2003, about one in five probationers

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Validating Technique Through Force-on-Force Training:

A Bad Idea!
By Ralph Mroz


time, target focus, and so on. In FOF training, we train people not
to enter this undesirable state. Therefore, we cannot claim that
because a technique holds up in minimum FOF training that it will
be reliable, or even possible, in a real-life encounter.

We will never be able to determine what works in real-life

encounters except through AARs (after-action reports) and
videos of them. In order to respond as if your life is in danger—
you must actually put your life in danger. Obviously, for the pur-
pose of training only, you can’t do that. As Model Mugging Suit,
Airsoft and Simunitions veterans know, it’s the first couple sce-
narios with these technologies that have any severe stress effect
on participants.

Participants soon learn they won’t die in these FOF sessions

and won’t even get hurt all that much. After these initial scenar-
ios, these simulations become good validators of tactics and time
frames, but they are not forums in which we can observe the
effects of genuine fear for one’s life, and therefore what works
under such conditions.

What we hope for in FOF training is the level of stress to

which we inoculate participants will be greater than that which
they will experience in a real-life encounter, and therefore the
With car-jackings on the increase, sometimes the only defense techniques they honed in those FOF sims will get them through a
left is to attack. Use your hands to strike the eyes, nose or other real-life situation. This often works as planned when we have
vulnerable spots. control of the real-life situation, such as with warrant executions
and hostage-rescue entries. But all too often we see operators
are unable to execute trained skills when they lose control of the
No one has served as a more vocal proponent of force-on- situation. In these cases, they simply revert back to whatever
force (FOF) training over the last several years than me. I, and Mother Nature lets them do in the state of SNS override.
many others have correctly pointed out, for example, that in
terms of gun courses, static range training is useful for nothing So where does this leave us? I submit that for the most part
more than developing basic marksmanship and gun handling we need to train extensively in those few techniques, tactics and
skills. We proclaimed to anyone who would listen that FOF train- skills that are possible in SNS override. These basic skills are the
ing is an absolute necessity for developing the skills that save a only things that will be available to us in most spontaneous
person in a real-life encounter. And I stand by the last statement.
encounters and will often be necessary even in those that aren’t.
But too many instructors make the jump from acknowledging
the necessity of FOF training to validating their curriculum with it. This assumes we know ahead of time what these skills are.
That is, they point to the fact that the tactics and techniques they And we do: one-handed shooting, target focus, and so on-the
teach hold up well in FOF training and conclude they are there- basic curriculum. These skills can be honed successfully with
fore validated survival skills. FOF simulations to train more complex skills, by inoculating the
operators to high levels of stress. But we need to recognize that
Wrong, wrong, wrong! They may well be teaching tech- unless operators are trained thoroughly in the basic skills possi-
niques that will get their people killed! It’s wrong because much ble, they will be helpless when they exceed their threshold.
FOF training is different from many real-life encounters. In a
spontaneous, violent, real-life fight for your life, you are probably
Don’t be fooled into thinking that FOF sims are
going to drive your sympathetic nervous system into an extreme
state that I call Sympathetic Nervous System (SNS) fight symp- verifying that the skills taught are actually possible under
toms: tunnel vision, auditory exclusion, the perceived slowing of extreme stress. That’s not possible.

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Ralph Morz is police officer in Massachusetts, assigned

to a narcotics/gang task force, and has been a student of the mar- ING?
tial arts since 1973. He is a well-known defensive tactics and
firearms author of books as well as over 250 articles in the profes-
sional law enforcement journals. He is a frequent instructor at the
International Association of Law Enforcement Firearms Instructors
conferences. Ralph has a black belt from the United States Judo
Association, and holds multiple firearms and defensive tactics
instructor certifications. He is the Training Director for the
New England Police Officer’s Safety Association.

Steve Krystek wraps up a

knife attacker in an FOF sim.

There are 20 various definitions of Force-on-Force training.

It is a term manifesting from the military and then later,
police training—worlds hungry for acronyms, fad titles and
catch-phrases. But, force-on-force is a simple idea to grasp.
There are many long, Jack Webb-jargon, specific defini-
tions put forth in quasi-military circles, but cutting edge
trainers and trainees must wrap their minds, fists, bullets
and knees around the general FOF methodology, because
each discipline will have its own meaning...

-To a tank commander, FOF training might mean running

his troops against another commanders troops and shoot-
ing blanks, or even sitting inside a computer simulation tank
game room...
Get Ralph’s insightful and outstanding books
and tapes at Paladin Press. www.Paladin Press -To a rifle team, it might be practicing a Urban Operation
303-442-8741 (UO) versus an opponent team with simulated ammo who
will shoot back...

Hochheim Note: -To a SWAT team, it might mean raiding a shoot room
and having unruly occupants who will resist commands...

In Porterdale, GA, two, police officers received their -To a martial artist, it might mean punching and kicking
against a partner in a padded suit, who is kicking back...
walking papers because they were competing to see

who could write the most tickets in a single month. -To a stick fighter, it is stick sparring...

Erin Cox won the bet. He wrote 76 tickets. Frank -To a patrol officer, it might mean working a session on
pistol retention against a partner in a padded suit and hel-
Jackson wrote only 72. According to Mayor Paul met who is really trying to get the gun...
Oeland, the tickets were “petty in nature,”. He con-
-To a citizen, it might mean a Model Mugging Suit session
sidered the number of tickets “staggering” for part- battling an attacker...

time officers who only worked 16 hours per week. In summary, FOF training sessions are a loosely orches-
trated conflict with an enemy who resists to some degree.
“People were crammed into City Hall trying to pay,” Extra force is applied, and the intensity is notched up a few
clicks. FOF involves harder-core, interactive training with
Oeland says. “It all makes sense now. simulated weaponry and safety gear. And there you have
the FOF brain wrap! —W. Hock Hochheim

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W. Hock Hochheim Seminars 2004

Mar 20 - 21 Elsmere, KY
Mar 27 - 28 Oreland/Philadelphia, PA

Apr 3 - 4 Huntsville, AL: 2nd Annual Knife/Counter-Knife

Apr 16 - 18 Denver, CO: PAC WEEKEND!
Apr 24 - 25 Thunder Bay, Canada

May 1-2 Fredericksberg, VA

May 13 - 16 Independence, MO: The Tri-Annual PAC Seminar
May 22 - 23 Shreveport, LA
May 27 - 31 Germany: Big international CQC Group Camp
My No. 1 Wish for 2004
Jun 5-6 Stockholm, Sweden
By Col. David H. Hackworth Jun 12 - 13 London, England
Jun 19 Dallas, TX
Jun 27 Chattanooga, TN: CQCG
Wish No. 1? Get rid of the M-16 rifle, which has been a disas-
ter from the get-go. In 1963, Gen. Pat Cassidy — an old pro who led Jul 10 - 11 Lambertville, NJ
Jul 17 - 18 San Francisco, CA: The CQC Group continues
a parachute battalion into Normandy, then fought again in Korea — Jul 24 - 25 Denver (Brighton), CO: Gun/Counter-Gun
handed me a rifle that looked like a Mattel toy. “Test it,” he said. “Let Jul 31/Aug 1 Valdosta, GA: The CQC Group continues
me know if it can replace the M-14. If it does half what the Pentagon
Aug 7 - 8 Coeur d’Alene/Post Falls, ID: CQC Seminar
claims, it’ll be an ideal assault weapon for our paratroopers.” Aug 14 - 15 Upstate New York: Under development
When I put the rifle through its paces, firing thousands of rounds Aug 21- 22 Libertyville, IL (north of Chicago)

amid the dirt, mud and snow of Fort Campbell, Ky., that sucker did Sep 4-5 San Diego, CA
only one thing well: it jammed. Consistently. I reported back to Sep 9 - 12 Harvard MA: CQC Basic Instructor Camp t
Sep 18 - 19 Vero Beach, FL: PAC Seminar
Cassidy that — as opposed to the M-14, a first cousin to the reliable Sep 23 - 26 Kansas City, MO: Expert CQC Group Camp
M-1 rifle our soldiers packed for 20 years while punching holes in mil-
Oct 2-3 Chattanooga, TN: Special Street Ground Fighting
lions of Germans and Japanese, and Reds in Korea — the M-16 was Oct 9 - 10 Albuquerque, NM
a combat warrior’s biggest nightmare. Unless the rifle’s working parts Oct 16 - 17 Romeoville, IL: The CQC Group continues
Oct 23 - 24 Denver, CO: CQC Group continues
were surgically clean at all times, it misfired. Cassidy sent the jammer Oct 30 - 31 Florence, KY area
back to R&D and told them we’d be sticking with the M-14. But when
Nov 4-7 Valdosta, GA: Advanced CQC Group Camp
he left the 101st Airborne Division, he was replaced by one of the Nov 1 - 14 San Antonio, TX
forerunners of today’s Perfumed Princes. A year later, my 1/101st Nov 20 - 21 Los Angeles, CA
Nov 25 - 28 Melbourne, Australia
Brigade was ordered to Vietnam as one of the first units sent to that
swamp. And along with the deployment order came instructions to Dec 2 - 5 Capetown, South Africa
swap the rugged M-14 for the M-16 widow-maker. Dec 11 - 12 Madrid, Spain: Knife Seminar

Everyone fought this lousy order, from the brigade commanding For details, check www.HocksCQC.com or call 817-581-4021.
officer down, even though we didn’t have a prayer without a two-fisted
guy like Cassidy backing us up at the Head Shed. As anticipated, the
M-16 failed miserably. From 1965 to 1973, the Pentagon’s wonder
weapon was responsible for thousands of U.S. casualties in
Vietnam. And after 40 years of costly modifications, it’s still a jammer Hochheim Note:
the troops can’t count on in battle. Just ask our grunts in Iraq — who
Berlin: Cannibal gets off easy: Self-confessed cannibal
keep paying for it in blood and want it gone with a passion.
Armin Meiwes was cleared of murder recently and sen-
tenced instead to 8 1/2 years for manslaughter. Meiwes
Col. David H. Hackworth, author of his new killed Bernd Brandes—a man he met on the Internet after
best-selling Steel My Soldiers’ Hearts, as advertising for a willing victim— sauteed him in a bit of
well as Price of Honor and About Face, has
garlic, and washed him down with red wine. Judge
seen duty or reported as a sailor, soldier
Volker Mutze said the more serious murder charge was
and military correspondent in nearly a dozen
wars and conflicts from the end of World not appropriate because Brandes wanted to die and be
War II, Korea, Vietnam to the recent fights eaten. The two men were “psychologically sick people
against international terrorism. who found each other,” says the judge.

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an American team has some distinctions. A USA pro-football

A Funny Thing Happened to My Body on team, as a group, weighs about four times as much as other sim-
ilar sport teams from other countries. A 220 lb. running back can
My Way to the Superbowl
charge at 22 miles per hour, the equivalent of some birds in
flight, multiplying his force. And speaking of speed and flight, a
By W. Hock Hochheim
kick in American football accelerates faster than a F1-11 jet fight-
er. A quarterback’s pass will accelerate faster than the Apollo
jet rocket at take off. No wonder some of these pros drop
passes! It’s like catching lightening in a jar!

During a 100 meter sprint, an NFL wide receiver will only

spend a fraction of a second in contact with the ground-
because over 90 percent of the time he will be flying through
the air. Despite this lack of wear and tear on receiver footwear,
most of the guys are in close contact with the ground. An NFL
team will use 2,500 pairs of shoes each season. Perhaps part
of that sole-searching happens in the gym, where the weight
lifted during a typical NFL training season shakes out to be the
same as lifting 25 amored tanks!

You have to be really dedicated to work that hard and take

all that abuse. But 300 lb.—plus, Washington Redskin
Offensive Lineman Russ Grimm once said, “I’d run over my
own mother to win the Superbowl.” Poor Mom! I hope he was
talking about running her over with a car. She has a better
chance of surviving!

Question: what do the fans miss when they watch football

on TV?
Answer: What the collisions are like.

“When a defensive back hits a guy trying to catch a pass,

some of those things are hard to believe!” Reports San Francisco
49-ner Joe Montana. And Joe knows collisions, as he suffers still
from hundreds of brutes, all larger than he, crashing into him on
a weekly basis. It is noted that a linebacker will generate over a
ton of force when he runs and hits an opponent—the equivalent
of being knocked to the ground by a charging Rino! Dallas
Cowboy football star, running back Tony Dorsett said that his chi-
ropractor told him he had the body of a man who has suffered
more than 100 minor car wrecks. Ever-developing research on
football helmet technology reveals the minor concussions the
brain suffers from rams, crashes and collisions each game. It’s a
game of power and speed force multipliers.

When I teach, I often make the comparison between a fight

and hard contact sports like football. Not just America style, but
the rugby and footie sports one can find around the world. Still,

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The Knifer’s Irish Whip

Knife/Counter-Knife Tactics
By W. Hock Hochheim

Have you heard of the Irish Whip? It is a classic grappling I may call it that, but many other systems like to use the same
move when an arm is grabbed and turned in revolutions so pow- root movements against a knife attacker. But, they always miss
erfully, a person either tumbles over, or experiences damage to two vital life-saving steps because they are attempting the move-
his shoulder. The name seems to come from “Catch-as-Catch ment against complying practice partners.
Can” wrestling. Well, I have adopted the root movement of this
technique and called it the Knifer’s Irish Whip. Here is how it is typically taught.

You interrupt a knife quick draw by charging forward dash and a two-handed grab.
Next, most systems dictate you go under and turn in...

...ramming the blade back into the attacker. A free hand often drives the blade home.
Then the average naive system ends the practice there.

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Here are some steps you need to add...

ALWAYS ram a shoulder into the torso. Think football! ALWAYS finish the opponent. One stab does not a finish make.

There is isometric strength in that captured arm. Buckle it into a bend with a shoulder drive.
This breaks his isometric and opens the path to the stab.

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The Citizen’s Self Defense League

pects crashed their getaway car in a wound to slow the bleeding until police
Sacramento, CA suburb and took off run- arrived. The suspect, Robert Lee Goode
ning to evade authorities. Ed Tippets was was taken to the hospital and later
in his backyard, watching several helicop- charged with second-degree burglary and
ters bearing down on his neighborhood, possession of burglar’s tools —The
Huntsville Times
obviously searching for someone, when
he noticed his dog, Charley, was acting
Justin Doyle was roused at 11 p.m. one
strange. “That’s when I decided to get
night by loud banging on his back door. In
armed,” he told authorities. Tippets
order to protect his pregnant wife and 19-
recalled that he went to the back of his
Jane Eden with Rudy Giulaini at a recent month-old child who were at home, Doyle
house to load his gun and then began
conference on Homeland Security. retrieved his rifle while his wife dialed 9-1-
searching room to room. Moving toward
1. Suddenly a glass door was smashed in
A Las Vegas, NV woman shot and the kitchen, Tippets noticed a shoulder in
with a cinder block and a man with a knife
killed her next-door-neighbor, whom she the doorway of his laundry room. “I saw a
burst into their home. Doyle shot the
had previously caught burglarizing her pistol pointing at me, so I started firing,”
home invader once in the torso, killing
home. Felipe Staks was trying to evade he said. The homeowner then ran outside
him. Police later identified the suspect as
police officers, who wanted him in connec- where he was ordered to the ground by
Manuel Villa. “The law allows citizens to
tion with a string of burglaries and a police. The suspect, later identified as
use deadly force to protect their homes,
parole violation, by using a crawl space Jermain Blair, fled the house and tried to
lives and property,” said police spokesman
above the two apartments. The woman escaping by jumping several fences. Blair
Jeff Arbogast. “Out of fear for his life, and
had just stepped out of her shower when confronted two police officers who had
the lives of his family, Mr. Doyle armed
Starks crashed through her ceiling.
Fearing for her life, she picked up a gun “The law allows citizens himself with a rifle and shot the intruder.
It’s a tragic event to have to go through.”
she had purchased after a burglary in to use deadly force to —Albuquerque Journal
April, and fired several shots at Starks, protect their homes,
who ran back into his apartment. Police
took him into custody, but he later died of
lives and property.” A 26-year-old Portsmouth, VA mother
had used her new .40-cal. pistol at the tar-
his wounds. Las Vegas homicide Lt. Tom get range for the first time and ended up
Monahan said it appeared the woman had given chase and was shot in the leg. A relying on it to defend her family from an
cause to fear for her life. “If a man fell police task force is investigating 13 other assailant the same night. Temesha
local bank robberies that may be linked to Greene was fearful of the increasing crime
through the ceiling right after you’re get-
rate in her community and had purchased
ting out of the shower—I’m told she had Blair. —The Sacramento Bee
the gun to protect her family. After learn-
just finished drying off—I think it’s reason- ing to shoot the gun at the range, she
able that you would be terrified,” he said. An Orem, Utah man nearly had his ticket went to a grocery store later that day with
punched when he attempted to rob a her boyfriend, and her two sons. Upon
—Las Vegas Review Journal
Greyhound bus station. The man handed returning home and while they were
the clerk at the station a note demanding unloading groceries from the car, Greene
James Carter became aware something money. The clerk, who has a CCW per- said a man got out of a van and
was not quite right when he noticed some- mit, drew a gun and held the would-be approached them in the driveway. Greene
one had damaged his front door. The robber at gunpoint until authorities arrived. and her boyfriend, Cedric Williams, asked
Augusta, GA homeowner told police he The suspect was charged with attempted the man who he was, but he did not
then heard a loud noise and that’s when robbery and public intoxication. —The respond. When Greene saw the man draw
he saw a man standing in his living room. Salt Lake Tribune a gun, she pulled her handgun and the
Carter aimed a .357 Mag. revolver at the two exchanged fire. Williams found cover
man and fired three shots, but the intruder In an odd turn of events, a Decatur, LA behind a tree and told the two boys to
escaped. Police investigating the break-in man shot an intruder and then adminis- duck down. Greene was not injured, but
recovered a gray jersey that may have tered first aid to the wounded suspect. managed to shoot the gunman later identi-
been left by the unwelcome visitor. —The Ronald Kirk was awakened just before fied as Emmitt Warren. —The Virginian-
dawn by an intruder. Kirk shot the would- Pilot
Augusta Chronicle
be burglar in the leg and dialed 9-1-1. The Reprinted w/permission of America’s 1st
A Bank robbery went awry when the sus- homeowner then applied pressure to the Freedom Magazine.

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By W. Hock Hochheim

So many attacks, from muggings,

In a life or death situation, you may
barfights, sports disagreement to
have to draw your knife to attack
military ambushes come from
the leg, rather than stabbing the
behind. The wrap-around may be
arm near your throat—always a
an attempt to haul you to the
dangerous proposition for you
ground, to choke you, or simply a

misguided, unplanned attack of

sheer rage. In a life or death situa-

tion you may have to draw your

knife to attack the leg, rather than

stabbing the arm near your throat—

always a dangerous proposition for

you. Never forget the environment!

Crashing the enemy into the sharp

corner of a building may break the Crashing the enemy into the sharp cor-

hold. ner of a building may break the hold.

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The Chase Drill

by W. Hock Hochheim

The enemy suddenly turns and runs! Your adrenaline erupts like a vol-
cano, and you are in the classic foot pursuit. If you’re a cop, you can bare-
ly report this on your portable radio between desperate breaths. If you’re a
soldier you might shout to your team. If you’re a citizen dedicated to stop-
ping a criminal, you probably are alone! Then...he turns back on you!
What’s in his hand now? Is that a set of keys? A gun? Do you draw and
shoot? Is he surrendering, or trying to kill you? He’s shooting back!
This is an all-to-common incident in the world of fighting crime and
terrorism. I have created this drill to enhance skills and promote vital,
simulated training experience. It must be run with simulated ammo and
appropriate safety gear. I prefer the battery-powered, so-called “electric guns,” because the pellet flies true with only a
slight sting. The runner needs a series of props in his pocket such as a pistol, a badge, keys, etc., to pull out.

1) Hock starts the run. Jeff “Rawhide” 2) Then Hock stops suddenly, turns... 3) ...and surrenders. Rawhide stops
Laun waits 5 seconds, then chases. and stands ready.

4) Rawhide initiates his arrest, 1) Another chase starts. 2) Hock turns on the run...
control and contain skills.

Remember you will chase people

inside and outside
buildings, and in all kinds of
urban, rural and suburban
terrain. Combat is situational.
The alley to the left offers
potential for cover. Practice for
all kinds of situations. Less time
on the range. More sims!
More sims! MORE SIMS!

3)...and it’s a moving gunfight! Photos by Bill Whitworth

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Curiosity Killed Rankster the Cat

By Buffalo Nickels
At school, the teachers rapped our knuckles
“I like Ike!” with rulers and yelled at us till spit hit our little
General and President Dwight Eisenhower. red faces every day to encourage us to learn.
You see I am an Ike’s boy, a WWII baby boomer from a truck Despite all my fears of instilled knowledge and
driving daddy what did his duty in the Big One. My Pops would curiosity, they MADE us learn all kinds of
read the New York Sunday Daily News and cuss the things. Basically, I was more afraid of them
“eggheads” that would write their columns than the dying part of learning too much.
against our Ike and his ideas. Pops and all the
others had bonded with the old general, and I was in Army Basic training with a guy from Kentucky who
there was just no talking bad about him! As a would always say stuff like, “that LT. is too smart for his britches.”
result, no one liked those pasty-faced, intellectu- I never figured that one out really. I knew britches were pants, but
als back then. “Too much college! Too much was he issued the wrong set of “smarty pants” or what? We all
book-learning!” He’d say. nodded with Kentuck when he said country stuff like that, but we
never really got it. It’s just that Kentuck always had cigarettes.
That started my fear that if I learned too much, I too would
become the dreaded egghead. Not that Ike’s head didn’t look like When I got to Vietnam, another wisecrack was, “They taught
an egg itself. It was obviously not about the shape of the head, you just enough to get you killed!” as they proceeded to retrain
but the scrambling inside that made you an egghead, I had con- me for the real, low down, jungle-fight-
cluded as a youth. ing deal. But I couldn’t help but think
that if they trained me a whole lot more
Then as a lad reading Dick, Jane and Spot and wrestling with than just enough, then I’ll surely get
the times tables, nothing too eggheadish, I’d killed? Well, it
hang out near the older guys standing around worked out that
in their tattered t-shirts and jeans drinking way for some of
whiskey from a bottle at the shipyard or street my buddies any-
corner. They’d say things like, “A little knowl- way. I guess I stayed just dumb enough,
edge is a dangerous thing!” you know, to stay over that just-enough
line.” One thing the Vets taught me?
“Hmm,” says I. “That must mean that a lotta Everytime I had to look down the stove
knowledge must be a REAL dangerous pipe, I tried to have a safety line attached.
thing.” I mean, one-plus-one equals two.
Right? Suddenly that woodshop course was In the military, so many of my leaders
looking better and better every day compared were LT. and Captain, or General Peter
to the math blackboard. Principle. Plain jerks who had learned just
enough to get promoted past ...well...their
My friend’s mother told us one day, “curiosi- pants I guess. I guess that’s what that
ty killed the cat,” after Rankster the cat got means, huh? They got their tickets
roasted. The jerky cat fell down the heating punched with time, assignment and grade
and suddenly found themselves in charge
furnace’s exhaust pipe from the roof. He tot-
of the next biggest link up the golden
tered at the top of the pipe swatting at a bug chain of command.
maybe? Well, he fell right into the coal fire Up, up and up.They are up there stomping
below. Mrs. Banechek said Rankster was curious and looked in all over the roof and looking all around and
too far. She heard him cat-scream all the way down. You know, down the stovepipe. Eggheads are real
that pissed-off, cat howl. Man, how could a steak smell so good smart and curious, but they often forget that
and a roasted-up cat smell so bad? safety line of real people in real life, those of
us struggling to get by, to stay alive and still
Mr. Banechek opened the coal furnace that night do the simple, right thing for your God, your
and tried to fish out Ranky’s bones with a crowbar, family and your country. Oops, that sounds like my dead Pops
but they were incinerated. Us kids just stared into talking again, I guess.
the open door like we were looking into the steamy,
You might say that I must be pretty educated to make these
dark, pit of hell itself. I half expected to see
observations, huh? Ya might say? But naahh, its just an
Rankster’s skeleton in there, set up like the Eisenhower kind of smart. Not egghead smart. If you’re really
dinosaur display at the Museum of Natural History, Ike-smart? You’ll know what I am talking about. Well anyway
just standing there atop the red and yellow coals. boys and girls, I do know this. If I am stupid enough to fall down
the big stovepipe of life? I want to howl all the way down, all
“No shoe box funeral for that curious cat,” Mr Benechek said. pissed-off and mean like Rankster the cat.
“Don’t get too close boys! That’s the the mistake poor Ranky
made. Toooo curious!” Curious ain’t it? Bye-Bye!

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