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Re: [JR] Tanvir ji and Partha Sarathy ji: Beeja sphuta, Kshetra sphuta, and Putra tithi

Respected Bala Ji, Tanvir Ji, Partha Sarathy Ji, and all learned members of this
group

Beeja Sphuta, Kshetra Sphuta and Putra Tithi (Santana Tithi) have been
elaborately mentioned in standard books and mentioned by Shri Bala Ji, but I am
tempted to quote the explanation for Beeja and Kshetra as given in “How To Judge
A Horoscope Vol.1 by Dr. B. V. Raman”

***** Page 221 mentions this as

Though the 5th house maybe strong and all indications for birth or children
maybe present, there will be no issues if there is no strength or vitality for
Beeja and Kshetra. Beeja is the seed of the male and Kshetra is the bed of the
woman. In other words Beeja and Kshetra represent, not exactly the sperm and the
ovum, but the element that really makes the male and female fluids fertile.
------------ if the Beeja and Kshetra in their horoscopes are not strong, when
judged according to astrological rules, they will not bring forth any issues.
When the Beeja (male) is weak and Kshetra (female) is strong, then children may
be born late in the life after undertaking the necessary remedial measures. The
strength to cause pregnancy is controlled by the Sun – lord of vitality – in
general. Venus governs the seminal fluid. These two must have favourable
positions in the horoscope particularly in odd signs. Similarly, in the case of
a female, Mars governs the nature of blood and the Moon
controls the strength to bear children. These two planets should preferably
occupy even signs.

In case of a male, add together the longitude of Sun, Venus and Jupiter. Expunge
multiples of 360 degrees. The sign arrived at indicates what is called “Beeja
Sphuta” or longitude of seed.

Similarly in a female horoscope add together the longitude of Mars, Moon and
Jupiter. Expunge multiples of 360 degrees. The sign arrived at represents the
longitude of the bed or “Kshetra Sphuta”
*******

I have cast the couple’s horoscope by Raman Ayanamsa with the data mentioned in
Shri Bala Ji’s posting. The Ephemeris used in JHL or the Algorithm used for
calculations has a minor error when calculating degrees. I am using Raman
Ayanamsa with the option 1 Degree 27 Minutes and 1 Second less than Lahiri to
arrive at a close approximation of actual degrees (against Standard Ephemeris).
The error is less than 1 Second, however the software does not allow fractional
corrections. Learned members may not agree to my findings, I bow my head to
their wisdom and experience.

I am mentioning the horoscopes of the Husband and Wife below: (I am mentioning

positions in Degrees Minutes Seconds and Decimal form for easy Calculations)

****************

Husband: DOB: November 3, 1972. TOB 0700 Hrs @ Faridabad: 77e22, 28n25. TZ:
+0530Hrs GMT

The Vedic Week day was Friday. Sunrise: 6:37:35, Sunset: 17:30:22. Day duration:
652.5 Minutes

Ascendant: 23:29:39 203.491 - Libra

Sun: 18:42:13 198.698 - Libra

Moon: 15:39:14 165.654 - Virgo

Mars: 29:30:02 179.491 - Virgo

Mercury: 11:45:44 221.756 - Scorpio

Jupiter: 13:17:31 253.287 - Sagittarius

Venus: 11:46:37 161.769 - Virgo

Saturn: 27:41:00 57.686 (Retrograde) - Taurus

Rahu: 28:20:28 268.342 (Retrograde) – Sagittarius

Ketu: 28:20:28 88.342 (Retrograde) – Gemini

MC: 117.830

* Gulika: 216.117 – Scorpio (Rasi), 126.117 Leo (Navamsa)

* Mandi: 226.601 – Scorpio (Rasi), 226.601 Scorpio

(Navamsa)

* For Calculation of Gulika and Mandi see explanation at the end of this mail.

***************

Wife: DOB: June 12, 1977. TOB: 0700 Hrs @ Faridabad: 77e22, 28n25. TZ: + 0530Hrs
GMT

The Vedic Week Day was Sunday. Sunrise: 5:26:44, Sunset: 19:13:51. Day duration:
827 Minutes

Ascendant: 20:10:15 80.167 – Gemini

Sun: 28:53:17 58.880 – Taurus

Moon: 7:41:15 7.685 – Aries

Mercury: 9:52:58 39.870 – Taurus

Venus: 13:11:17 13.182 – Aries

Mars: 12:19:18 12.311 – Aries

Jupiter: 23:20:28 53.331 – Taurus

Saturn: 21:02:15 111.030 – Cancer

Rahu: 29:12:32 179.207 – Virgo (Retrograde)

Ketu: 29:12:32 359.207 – Pisces (Retrograde)

MC: 338.049

* Gulika: 216.951 – Scorpio (Rasi), 156.951 Virgo

(Navamsa)

* Mandi: 215.482 – Scorpio (Rasi), 125.482 Leo (Navamsa)

* For Calculation of Gulika and Mandi see explanation at the end of this mail.

************************

Beeja and Kshetra Calculations –

Beeja: Sun + Venus + Jupiter = 198.698 + 161.769 + 253.287 = 613.754

Expunging 360 we have Beeja Sphuta as 253.754 or 13.754 (Sagittarius in Rasi and
Leo in Navamsa)

The Beeja Sphuta in both cases is in odd signs. In Rasi Sagittarius is occupied
by Jupiter and Rahu. Gulika from the 2nd house aspects the 3rd house Sagittarius
that has Beeja Sphuta. In Navamsa Beeja Sphuta is in Leo, which also has Gulika
in it.

Kshetra: Moon + Mars + Jupiter = 7.685 + 12.311 + 53.331 = 73.327 or 13.327

(Gemini in Rasi and Capricorn in Navamsa). As we can see the Kshetra in Rasi is
in the 1st house Ascendant. In Navamsa the Kshetra is in Capricorn but Saturn
also occupies this sign. In Rasi the Kshetra is Odd sign and in Navamsa it is
Even Sign.

********
Shri Bala Ji has omitted taking the signs in respect to degrees of planets,
hence the error in his calculations.

*********

Putra Tithi (Santana Tithi) -

For this I am mentioning the explanation and method given in “Prasna Marga” Vol.
2 page 110 under the chapter “Issues according to Birth Horoscope” by Dr. B. V.
Raman.

Convert the birth time into Vighati’s (calculated from Sunrise), divide this by
50

Quotient = x

Expunge multiples of 12 from “x” to get “y”

13 Signs (390 Degrees) – y = Sun

Sun multiplied by 5 = Santana Sun

Y + 8 Signs 15 Degrees (255 Degrees) = Moon

Moon multiplied by 5 = Santana Moon

Santana Moon – Santana Sun = Santana Tithi

*********

The method is applied to both horoscopes. Coming back to our Case –

Husband:

Birth time is 0700 Hrs, Sunrise: 6:37:35 or 0:22:25 after Sunrise or

22 x 60 = 1320 + 25 = 1345 Seconds after Sunrise, divide this by 24 to get

Vighati’s

So the birth time is 56.0416 Vighati’s

56.0416 divided by 50 = 1.12083 (x) since this is less than 12, x = y.

390 – x = 388.879, expunging 360 we get 28.879 ~ Sun

28.879 multiplied by 5 = 144.395 (Santana Sun)

1.12083 + 255 = 256.12083 ~ Moon

256.12083 multiplied by 5 = 1280.604 expunging multiples of 360 we get 200.604

(Santana Moon)

Now 200.604 – 144.395 = 56.20915 (Santana Tithi)

Divide this by 12 we get Santana Tithi as 4.684 or Shukla Panchami

Wife:

Birth time is 0700, Sunrise: 5:26:44 or 1:33:16 after Sunrise

1 x 60 = 60 + 33 = 93, 93 x 60 = 5580 + 16 we get birth time as 5596 seconds

after sunrise.

Divided by 24 we get birth time as 233.1666 Vighati’s

233.1666 divided by 50 = 4.6633 as x, since this is less than 12, x = y

390 – x = 385.3367, expunging multiples of 360 we get 25.3367 ~ Sun

25.3367 multiplied by 5 = 126.6835 (Santana Sun)

4.6633 + 255 = 259.6633 ~ Moon

259.6633 multiplied by 5 = 1298.3165 expunging multiples of 360 we get 218.3165

(Santana Moon)

Now 218.3165 - 126.6835 = 91.633 (Santana Tithi)

Divide this by 12 we get Santana Tithi as 7.636 or Shukla Ashtami

*********

Analysis:

In the Husband’s horoscope, the lord of the 5th house Saturn is Retrograde and
in the 8th house. It receives the aspect of Gulika and Mandi. The 5th lord from
the Moon is again Saturn. According to Classical Texts if Jupiter is in
Sagittarius, birth of progeny is delayed.

In the female chart the lord of the 5th house (Venus) is vanquished in greh
yuddh. It also receives the aspect of Saturn from the 3rd house. Jupiter and
Mandi both occupy the 5th house in Navamsa.

Beeja Sphuta in the husband’s horoscope receives the aspect of Gulika and Mandi
in Rasi, in Navamsa the Beeja Sphuta is in the same house as Gulika.

Kshetra Sphuta in the wife’s horoscope is with Saturn in Navamsa. Lord of the
6th and 5th are in Greh yuddh, with the lord of the 5th being vanquished.

There are several points in the respective horoscopes to deny children. There
are plus points too. The Beeja Sphuta is conjoined with Jupiter in Rasi.
Presence of Jupiter in the female chart’s Navamsa 5th house is good. However in
my own humble view, the birth of children is also dependant on ruling Dasa
periods and yearly transit of planets. In sensitive cases such as the one
presented for study, both the Dasa periods and Transit planets play a vital role
in giving progeny.
An opportunity to beget a child may present itself in 2005-2006 while Jupiter;
the great benefic will be in Libra. In the husband’s horoscope he will be in
Ascendant, while in the wife’s case it will be the 5th house itself. The ruling
Dasa period of the husband will be Jupiter-Saturn (25-9-2005 to 7-4-2008). In
the wife’s case the ruling Dasa period will be Moon-Moon (30-5-2006 to
30-3-2007). However slim a chance this maybe, but it sure holds a good promise.

I am not analysing these horoscopes from Ashtakvarg, or Jaimini point of view.

Results and opinions may vary. More learned members might not agree to my
opinions. I am not too bright at mathematics either, and old friend Murphy has
been my friend since I began learning. I still have some grey matter left to
tide over, till Murphy claims his hand over me!!!!! (Murphy’s Law – If anything
can go wrong, it WILL GO WRONG). Regards

Muhuratha

PS

About Gulika and Mandi:

I am using the principles and calculations as mentioned in various texts by

Raman Associates, namely –

Gulika:

Divide the day duration by 8. Each division (Khanda) has a different lord. The
Ascendant degree arrived at erecting a horoscope defined by the beginning of
Saturn’s Khanda on a day defines the Gulika’s position.

In the husband’s case, the day duration is 652.5 Minutes; each Khanda is
equivalent to 81.5625 Minutes (decimal). Since the birth is on Friday, the
Gulika’s time is reckoned at beginning of 2nd Khanda, which is Sunrise time
(6:37:35) + 81.5625 (1:21:33) = 7:59:08 Hrs. This gives Gulika as 216.117
(decimal) degrees.

In the wife’s case the day duration is 827 Minutes; each Khanda is equivalent to
103.375 Minutes (decimal). Since the birth is on a Sunday, the Gulika’s time is
reckoned at beginning of the 7th Khanda, which is Sunrise time (5:26:44) +
(103.375 x 7 ~ 5:26:44) = 17:30:21. This gives Gulika as 216.951 (decimal)
degrees.

Mandi: If the day duration is 30 Ghati’s or (720 Minutes), Mandi’s degree is

arrived as the Ascendant’s degree by erecting a horoscope at particular time on
each weekday. If the day duration is different from 720 minutes the Mandi’s time
is calculated proportionately.

In husband’s case, the day duration is 652.5 minutes. The weekday is Friday.
Mandi on Friday (day time) rises at 6 Ghati’s or 144 minutes after sunrise.
Since the day duration is less, the Mandi’s position is reckoned at the
Ascendant degree at 130.5125 minutes + Sunrise time; which is (6:37:35 +
2:10:30) to arrive at 8:48:05 Hrs. This gives Mandi as 226.601 (decimal)

In wife’s case, the day duration is 827 Minutes; the weekday is Sunday. Mandi on
Sunday (day time) rises at 26 Ghati’s or 624 minutes after Sunrise. Since the
day duration is more than 720 minutes; Mandi’s position is reckoned at 716.733
(11:56:44) + Sunrise 5:26:44 = 17:23:28. This gives Mandi as 125.482 (decimal)

JHL has an error in its software; I hope Murphy isn’t deceiving me!!! Unless JHL
is based on a different Ganitha!!!! Maybe some learned member can add to my
knowledge

Tanvir <ultimate@...> wrote:Dear Balaji Ji,

Absolutely no experience in this concept !

Regards
Tanvir.

What can not happen, can never happen.

Which is mine, is forever mine.

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----- Original Message -----
From: Balaji Narasimhan
To: jyotish_remedies@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 9:02 PM
Subject: [JR] Tanvir ji and Partha Sarathy ji: Beeja sphuta, Kshetra sphuta,
and Putra tithi

Tanvir ji and Partha Sarathy ji,

Recently, there was a query from a woman on JR, who was having
difficulty concieving even after four years of marriage. I told
her that I would help her with the calculations which would
increase the possibilities of bearing children. The same is
given below. My Math is terrible, and I wish that one or both of
you should have a look at it to ensure that what I say is
correct. I would request Meenu ji to ignore this post until it
has been verified by at least one of you. It is for this reason
that I have deliberately chosen not to address this message to
her.

First, the source. The method has been detailed in Shri Bepin
Behari's book "Astrology Simplified." The details under the
heading "SPHUTA" are given below, from Page 187. To save time
typing out the text, I am reproducing the relevent entry from
aryabhatt.com, which carries the exact text:

*** Begin

SPHUTA

[Sphuta = opening, blossoming]. Calculations relating to the

possibility of having an offspring. Three important sphutas are
considered in this regard: (i) Beeja (seed) sphuta, (ii) Kshetra
(field) sphuta, and (iii) Putra tithi (opportune date for
impregnation) sphuta.

Beeja sphuta is obtained by adding the longitude of Sun, Venus

and Jupiter in the husband's chart. The sum indicates a sign and
its Navamsa. If both of these are in odd signs, virility is
present and the chances of an offspring are good. If both are in
even signs, virility and the chance of progeny are both absent.
If one is odd and the other is even, the progeny may be delayed.
Kshetra sphuta is worked out by adding the longitudes of
Jupiter, Moon and Mars in the wife's natal chart. If the sign
and Navamsa thus obtained are both in even signs, fertility and
chances of progeny are assured. In case both are in odd signs,
the progeny will be delayed or even denied. If one is odd and
the other is even, there may be a delay but the progeny can be
expected.

Putra tithe sphuta is decisive in progeny prediction. It is

determined as follows: Multiply the longitudes of natal Moon and
Sun separately by 5, subtract the result obtained from Sun from
that of Moon, and convert the result into degrees, minutes, etc.
Divide it by 12. The quotient plus 1 gives the tithe required.
If this is less than 15, it is deemed to be in the dark half,
and if the remainder is less than 6, the tithe is in the first
half. If it is more than 6, it would be in the second half.
Impregnation during this period has greater chance of
fertilization.

*** End

Now, the birth details:

Husband: 03 Nov 1972, 7 AM, Faridabad [28n26, 77e19]

Wife: 12 June 1977, 7 AM, Faridabad [28n26, 77e19]

I'm also enclosing the printout from Haydn's Jyotish concerning

their planetary positions at birth. I have trimmed some details
to ensure that it fits without wrapping:

********************************************************
* Name: Vijay Kapoor
* Birth Date: 11/03/1972
* Time: 07:00:00
* Time Zone: 5:30 East
* Latitude: 28 26' North
* Longitude: 77 19' East
*
* Rasi Angle and Sign
* --------------------------
* Lagna: 21 59'37" Thula
* Surya: 17 15'34" Thula
* Chandra: 14 11'39" Kanya
* Buddha: 10 19'06" Vrischik
* Sukra: 10 20'04" Kanya
* Kuja: 28 03'31" Kanya
* Guru: 11 50'38" Dhanus
* Sani: 26 13'55" Rx Vrishabh
* Rahu: 26 05'08" Rx Dhanus
* Ketu: 26 05'08" Rx Mithuna
********************************************************
* Name: Meenu Kapoor
* Birth Date: 06/12/1977
* Time: 07:00:00
* Time Zone: 5:30 East
* Latitude: 28 26' North
* Longitude: 77 19' East
*
* Rasi Angle and Sign
* --------------------------
* Lagna: 18 41'08" Mithuna
* Surya: 27 26'48" Vrishabh
* Chandra: 6 13'11" Mesha
* Buddha: 8 26'47" Vrishabh
* Sukra: 11 45'00" Mesha
* Kuja: 10 52'55" Mesha
* Guru: 21 53'42" Vrishabh
* Sani: 19 35'49" Kataka
* Rahu: 29 14'10" D Kanya
* Ketu: 29 14'10" D Meena
********************************************************

Now, for the application. I have used "^" to indicate degrees.

* Beeja Sphuta:

Surya: 17^ 15'34"

Sukra: 10^ 20'04"
Guru: 11^ 50'38"
-------------------------
Total: 38^ 85' 76"
-------------------------
Corrected: 39^ 26' 16"

This falls in Vrishaba, which is an even sign. In Navamsa, it

falls in Meena, another Even sign. This doesn't seem too
positive.

* Kshetra Sphuta

Chandra: 6^ 13'11"
Kuja: 10^ 52'55"
Guru: 21^ 53'42"
-------------------------
Total: 37^ 118' 108"
-------------------------
Corrected: 38^ 59' 48"

We come to Vrishaba, 8^ 59' 48", which is an even sign, and is

good for women. In the Navamsa, it comes in Meena, another even
sign. Since both are even signs, I would say that the chances
are very good.

* Putra Tithi Sputa

Here, the calculations do not indicate if it should be applied

to the wife or the husband. I have taken the liberty of applying
it to the wife because I feel it is more appropriate.

Surya: 27 26'48" multiplied by 5 = 135^ 130' 240"; Corrected:

137^ 14' 0"
Chandra: 6 13'11" multiplied by 5 = 30^ 65' 55"; Corrected:
31^ 5' 55"

Subtracting Surya from Chandra - 31^ 5' 55" minus 137^ 14' 0" -
we get -73^ 51' 55". For this calculation, I took 31^ 5' 55" as
30^ 65' 55". I hope that this is permissible, but I wanted to
get the negative at the degrees, not the minutes.

We can take the result to be positive, as 73^ 51' 55". I also

think that, at this stage, we could get rid of the minutes and
the seconds, and then round the figure to 74^. Dividing it by
12, we get the quotient of 6. Adding 1, we get 7.

The reminder is 2, and it is less than 6, so it implies the

first half. First half of what? I think it is the day - The
quotient below 15 determines the paksha.

So, I think that the Putra Tithi stands in the first half of the
day for Krishna Saptami.

Please verify if this is true. I would request you to be

exceedingly rigorous in your approach because my Math is very
poor and therefore highly unreliable at the best of times!