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Technical Clarifications / Comments : Bhasmey HEP

Clause
Reference
Clarifications /
S.No. Volume / Description
Comments
Section / Cl.
No. / Pg No.
TURBINE
Volume E-2-1 /
Section 12 / Coupling Elevation is
1. The upper end at elevation 346.5 m.a.s.l. approx. for attachment to the generator shaft.
Clause No.1.1.1 / …….
Page No.5/107
A combined thrust
and guide bearing
The generating unit is of conventional design with a turbine guide bearing
will be above the
Volume E-2-1 / arranged in
generator rotor and
Section 1 / the head cover and a combined thrust and guide bearing on a bearing
Clause No.1.4.1 / a guide bearing
bracket just below the generator rotor and a guide bearing above the
Page No.10/107 below the
generator rotor.
generator rotor.
Provide reasons for
this design!!!
It Shall Include in the
Volume E-2-1 /
The Contractor shall carry out the stability study by mathematical simulation of the entire technical write up for:
Section 12 /
2. system penstock, generator, turbine, governor and power system in order to that system is a) Resonance
Clause No.1.4.6/
stable under all load conditions. condition
Page No.16/107
b) transient condition
3. Volume E-2-1 / The maximum amplitude of the DTPP shall not exceed 2% of the corresponding net head. Note from DR1

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Clarifications /
S.No. Volume / Description
Comments
Section / Cl.
No. / Pg No.
Section 12 / The DTPP frequency shall be at least 20% lower or higher than the natural frequency of the
Clause penstock.
No.1.4.6.1/ Page The DTPP frequency shall be at least 20% less or more than the natural torsion frequency
No.18/107 of the turbine / generator unit.
What is the note here?
Volume E-2-1 / We will have higher
Section 12 / values also in Part
3.
Clause No.1.4.7/ load. We can not
Page No.18/107 guarantee this noise
level!!
Shaft Vibrations for
normal operation close
to the rated point shall
stay within Zone A or
B in ISO 7919-5.
Note: We expect
Volume E-2-1 / The maximum shaft vibration as measured near the turbine and generator
vibration values which
Section 1 / guide bearings
are in Zone A,
Clause No.1.4.8/ shall be within ISO 7919-5, zone “A” however, our
Page No.18/107
guarantee values refer
to Zone A or B, as
indicated in the ISO
standards "acceptable
for unrestricted long-
term operation”

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Reference
Clarifications /
S.No. Volume / Description
Comments
Section / Cl.
No. / Pg No.
Volume E-2-1 /
Section 12 /
Limits to pressure fluctuations are pressure amplitudes of +/-2 % of the corresponding net
4. Clause Note from DR1
head measured at the draft tube wall below the turbine runner.
No.1.5.5.1/ Page
No.22/107

Volume E-2-1 /
Data from
Section 12 /
(semi)homolgous from
Clause
Model test will be used
No.1.5.10/ Page
No.24/107
.

The maximum wicket gate torque (caused by hydro-dynamic forces) shall be

indicated
in closing and opening sense, preferably for two opposite gates, under the
Volume E-2-1 /
most
Section 12 / Data from
unfavourable transient conditions. The wicket gate torque shall have the
Clause (semi)homolgous from
No.1.5.12.1/
closing Model test will be used.
Page No.25/107 tendency for all openings down to an opening which keeps the turbine at no-
load speedbelow the synchronous speed.
Compliance with the guarantee shall be proved by model tests.

5. Volume E-2-1 / The guarantee concerning mechanical behavior shall cover a period of 2 years from the Commercial

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Clarifications /
S.No. Volume / Description
Comments
Section / Cl.
No. / Pg No.
Section 12 /
Clause
date of Taking Over.....
No.1.5.12.2/
Page No.25/107
The stress and
deflection criteria shall
be as per the
manufacturers
Volume E-2-1 /
practice.
Section 12 /
Stresses and Deflections Stress requirements
Clause No.1.6.2/
are very close to VH
Page No.26/107
requirements, why are
those ones not
accepted? We should
not deviate it that case.
Volume E-2-1 /
Offer needed if
Section 12 /
electrical network
Clause
stability calculation ids
No.1.7.2.2/ Page
required, please check!
No.31/107
6. Volume E-2-1 / Ultrasonic indications larger than 6 mm diameter substitute fault size (6 mm diameter AVG Quality Dept.
Section 12 / diagram) and indications of more than 50 % back-wall-echo reduction.
Clause and
No.1.8.2.2/ Page Ultrasonic indications larger than 5 mm diameter substitute fault size (5 mm diameter AVG
No.37/107, diagram) and indications of more than 10 % back-wall-echo.

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Clause
Reference
Clarifications /
S.No. Volume / Description
Comments
Section / Cl.
No. / Pg No.
38/107
Volume E-2-1 /
Section 12 /
7. Clause Raw Material Tests Quality Dept.
No.1.9.2.1/ Page
No.42/107
100 % UT shall be
carried out, as Radio
graphic test is not
environment friendly.
Volume E-2-1 /
Recommend to have
Section 12 /
10-20% of T-
8. Clause Radiographic check of the welds.
connections with
No.1.9.2.3/ Page
subject to head
No.44/107
pressure (spirale case)
shall be tested by X-
ray examination!

Volume E-2-1 / The distance from the unit centre line to the welding joint with the penstock -As per drawing
Section 1 / shall be 71.1164.08.921 limit of
Clause approx. 12 m which will include spiral inlet edge, dismantling piece, main scope for E and M is
No.1.10.1/ Page inlet valve, 14000 mm from turbine
No.52/107 make-up piece and taper piece. The spiral case inlet axis will be parallel to C/L. Please clarify.
the turbine -Inside Dia. of
spiralcase inlet will be

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Reference
Clarifications /
S.No. Volume / Description
Comments
Section / Cl.
No. / Pg No.
as per manufacturer’s
transverse axis. Furthermore, the spiral case inlet shall have a nominal
hydraulics. Final value
inside diameter
shall be provided
of approx. 2160 mm. during detailed
engineering.
The embedded pipes
will not be subjected to
such kind of forces so
Volume E-2-1 / that the elastic layer is
Section 12 / required as following
9. Clause All embedded pipes shall be equipped with an elastic layer (approx. 500 mm). the standard practices.
No.1.10.1.1/ The first 500 mm of
Page No.54/107 each embedded pipe
connected to the spiral
case will be equipped
with an elastic layer.
Volume E-2-1 /
The Spiral case will be
Section 12 /
firm embedded without
9. Clause All embedded pipes shall be equipped with an elastic layer (approx. 500 mm).
elastic layer.
No.1.10.1.1/
Page No.54/107
10. Volume E-2-1 / The water passages of the stay ring shall be smooth and free of irregularities. The Quality Dept.
Section 12 / internal surface finish of the stay ring, including any welds shall be 6.3 microns (N9) or finer. Acc. to VH Standard
Clause Ra = 12.5 ym
No.1.10.2/ Page

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Clause
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Clarifications /
S.No. Volume / Description
Comments
Section / Cl.
No. / Pg No.
No.55/107
If the plant will not run
Volume E-2-1 /
in synchronous
Section 12 /
condenser operation,
. Clause
the wearing rings do
No.1.10.3/ Page
not need cooling water.
No.55/107
Ok acc. to Pre Bid
-As per drawing
71.1164.08.921 end of
steel liner has been
Volume E-2-1 /
shown 7000 mm from
Section 1 / steel lining extending to a section where the average velocity at maximum
turbine C/L. Please
Clause discharge has reduced to less than 3.5 m per second.
clarify which is to be
No.1.10.4/ Page
considered final,
No.56/107
average velocity 3.5
m/s or 7000 mm.

Volume E-2-1 /
Section 1 /
BOPM
Clause
No.1.10.5/ Page
No.58/107
. Volume E-2-1 / If the plant will not run
Section 12 / in synchronous

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Clause
Reference
Clarifications /
S.No. Volume / Description
Comments
Section / Cl.
No. / Pg No.
condenser operation,
Clause
the wearing rings do
No.1.11.1/ Page
not need cooling water.
No.59/107
Ok acc. to Pre Bid
The seal (contact)
element will be bronce
Volume E-2-1 / segments and pressed
Section 1 / In closed gate position
Clause against the stainless
No.1.11.1.1 Page steel surface of the
No.60/107 wicket gate ends by
rubber elements

Shall be integrated with

runner. However, in
case, if seals get worn
Volume E-2-1 / away, runner shall be
Section 1 / disigned such that
Clause The Rotating wearing rings shall be fixed to the runner. machining is allowed
No.1.11.1.2.2 on runner to fix
Page No.60/107 replacable wearing
ring. It is understood
same by Clause no.
1.13.1.2.

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Clause
Reference
Clarifications /
S.No. Volume / Description
Comments
Section / Cl.
No. / Pg No.

Labyrinth water seal is

Volume E-2-1 /
not needed since the
Section 1 /
specification does not
Clause
require synchronous
No.1.11.1.2.3
condenser operation.
Page No.60/107
Ok acc. to Pre Bid

Volume E-2-1 /
Section 1 /
Coupling Elevation???
Clause No.1.13.2
Page No.65/107.
The bearing pads shall be designed for easy adjustment of the gap between
Volume E-2-1 / the pads and
Please do not use RPP
Section 1 / turbine shaft, via vertical setting wedges and bolts. The contact surfaces
design in that case.
Clause between bolts
Please see attached
No.1.13.3.1 Page setting wedges, and pads shall be hardened to avoid local permanent drawing.
No.67/107. yielding.

Volume E-2-1 /
Section 12 / The temperature rise
During continuous operation, the maximal temperature in the bearing pads shall not exceed
11. Clause should be up to 70° C
60° C.
No.1.13.3.2/ for the bearing pads.
Page No.67/107
MIV

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Clarifications /
S.No. Volume / Description
Comments
Section / Cl.
No. / Pg No.
Volume E-2-2 /
Section 12 / Valve has nominal
12. Nominal diameter (bore diameter) shall be 2.16 m for the MIV.
Clause No.2.3/ diameter of 2.3 m.
Page No.7/30
Volume E-2-2 / The Upstream
Section 12 / connection of the Main
Clause No.2.6.3/ Inlet Valve will
Page No.11/30 compose of a flange
and a 1 m liner to
connect to the
Penstock!

Volume E-2-2 / REVIEW WITH

Section 12 / SUBSUPPLIER IF HE
Clause No.2.9.1/ OFFERED TWO
Page No.12/30 SLINDING SEALS
(metallic and rubber)
FOR BFV !!!!!

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