Ahmadiyya Muslims among Muslims Sunday, March 7, 2010 - 10:00 AM Allah knows best http://worldmuslimcongress.blogspot.com/2010/03/ahmadiyya-muslims-among-muslims.

html The following notes are about the attitudes of a few Muslims towards the Ahmadiy ya Muslims. Take the time to observe a few Muslim discussion groups you will fin d hundreds of judgmental pronouncements on stuff like this, while in the same gr oups intellectual articles barely get any discussion. The ugliest thing that I have heard about Muslims; A Christian Neocon told me; Muslims are like dogs, throw them bones and they will go after it, as if that is the only thing they have in life to fight for. We ha ve people among you to continuously throw bones like Hijab, Bidda, Haraam, beati ng the wife, Shia, Sunni, Ahmadi or Ismaili and we keep them busy with those, we love it. Unfortunately, a tiny minority of Muslims chew on the bones, and thank God, a majority of us mind our own business. There is an ideological imbalance among those few; Prophet taught about the midd le path a balance between Deen and Duniya, we need to be conscious of that. In t he Parliament of World Religions conference, I attended a Jewish conference on f uture of Judaism, a Rabbi was clear, "We Jewish people focus on living the life while we are trustees of it until God takes it back and our focus is here, where we live". What about us? As Muslims, we focus on the life here after and betray the life here. Is there meaning in it? I am saddened to hear this petty stuff that we are getting entangled with, and I shall save this at http://www.worldmuslimcongress.com/ under the topic Ahmadiyy a Muslims among Muslims, and just copy and throw at those who are involved in th is non-sense who is and who isnt a Muslim. First of all what difference does it make? Secondly and most importantly the one s who talk ill about others, have not met with Ahmadiyya people, and if they hav e met, they have met their matching counterparts who harp on the perceived wrong , rather than volumes of goodness. They need to talk with the Ahmadiyya intellec tuals or scholars. As Muslims, we need to develop standard response to educate t he ill-informed amongst us. I was going to write the notes, then just looked at Sura Hujurat and found the a nswers. By the way, those who are not Muslims and reading this, if you want to s tudy Pluralism, read the Quraan with an open mind and you will find this to be d ocuments written for co-existence. 49:6 (Asad) O YOU who have attained to faith! If any iniquitous person comes to you with a [slanderous] tale, use your discernment, [5] lest you hurt people unw ittingly and afterwards be filled with remorse for what you have done. [6] 49:9 (Asad) Hence, if two groups of believers fall to fighting, [9] make peace b etween them; but then, if one of the two [groups] goes on acting wrongfully towa rds the other, fight against the one that acts wrongfully until it reverts to Go ds commandment; [10] and if they revert, make peace between them with justice, an d deal equitably [with them]: for verily, God loves those who act equitably! 49:10 (Asad) All believers are but brethren. [11] hence, [whenever they are at od ds,] make peace between your two brethren, and remain conscious of God, so that you might be graced with His mercy. -

49:11 (Asad) O YOU who have attained to faith! No men shall deride [other] men: it may well be that those [whom they deride] are better than themselves; and no women [shall deride other] women: it may well be that those [whom they deride] a re better than themselves. [12] And neither shall you defame one another, nor ins ult one another by [opprobrious] epithets: evil is all imputation of iniquity af ter [one has attained to] faith; [13] and they who [become guilty thereof and] d o not repent - it is they, they who are evildoers! 49:1 (Asad) O YOU who have attained to faith! Do not put yourselves forward [1] in the presence of [what] God and His Apostle [may have ordained], but remain co nscious of God: for, verily, God is all-hearing, all-knowing! INTERFAITH CONFERENCE BY AHMADIYYA MUSLIMS The Ahmadiyya Muslim community held an interfaith conference on Sunday, March 6, 2010 at their Masjid in Allen, Texas. Imams, Rabbis, Pastors, Gurus and I spoke about the need for interfaith dialogue. Do you know that Prophet Muhammad was o ne of the first persons to have conducted interfaith dialogues? There was a Zoro astrian priest who has done that earlier. The oft repeated story of the Christia ns from Najran in Masjid -e- Nabwi has a point Prophet offered them to pray thei r own prayers in his Mosque. Do you understand Prophets wisdom in that? Insha Allah, I will compile a brief report of the meeting. I have been to the Ahmadiyya Mosque a few times, they use the same Quraan we use do, and their beliefs are about the same. Even if they have a different version so what? Do we, as Muslims understand what prophet meant and predicted 72 groups within Islam? Didnt he acknowledge variations are bound to happen given the huma n Fitra (nature)? Why would he even say that? Didnt he understand us all some 140 0 years ago? A Major correction to Muhammad Irtazas note: They do not claim that Muhammad was not the final prophet. However, they do believe that the promised Messiah is Mir za Ahmed from Qadian. I just looked up Wiki to double check, please note that Wi kipedia is not a reliable and scholarly referential site, but it gives a good st art. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirza_Ghulam_Ahmad A suggestion to the Ahmadiyya community, not to the scholars, but the ordinary f olks among them; Please do not make the mistake of pointing that it is the other Muslims that have the Madrasas who teach violent Jihad. The attendees laugh at it, that you are playing politics to gain support by denigrating the other, to the Neocons we are all the same. Just like any community, the majority of them do th e right thing, a few make a mess for every one. Lets keep our Jihad to correct th em from rumors, gossip and false information. Lets uplift every one, and all of us go up. To be a Muslim is to mitigate conflicts and nurture goodwill. Mike Ghouse is a thinker, writer, speaker, optimist and an activist of Pluralism , Interfaith, Co-existence, Peace, Islam and India. He is a frequent guest at th e TV, radio and print media offering pluralistic solutions to issues of the day. His work is reflected at three websites and 22 Blogs at http://www.mikeghouse.n et/ # # # The thread below prompted me to write this essay. Some Anwar Haque had written t he dumbest comments;

Qadyanis are creation of Zionists for their perpetual service Salaam Mr. Haq. You know very well that the Prophet Mohammad did not create Shia or Sunni. So, t ell me who created them?! I am not Qadyani, nor Shia nor Sunni. How about you?! As far as I know Qadyanis claim that Mohammad was not the final Prophet ,and tha t was not in line with the teaching of the Quran. But, you claim that Mohammad was the final messenger, and that was also not in l ine with the teaching of the Quran! So, why do you think you are better than Qad yani?! Please know that, according to the Quran, Abraham was neither Jewish nor Christian, but was a monotheist Muslim. [3:67] Abraham was neither Jewish, nor Christian; he was a monotheist submitter. He never was an idol worshiper. Similarly, Muhammad was neither Sunni nor Shia ...nor..., but was a monotheist M uslim. [16:123] Then we inspired you (Muhammad) to follow the religion of Abraham, the monotheist; he never was an idol worshiper. We need to remember that we cannot be a divider, nor can be a compromiser. A div ider or a compromiser cannot be a Submitter (in Arabic, Muslim). [15:90] [15:91] [15:92] [15:93] We will deal with the They accept the Quran By your Lord, we will about everything they dividers. only partially. question them all, have done.

Thank you and may God guide me, Muhammed Irtaza ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- Forwarded Message ---From: Anwar Haque <> Subject: Qadyanis are creation of Zionists for their perpetual service Bismillah hir Rehman nir Raheem Qadyanis are created by the English Zionists for their service. They are thus th riving in Israel. Israel and India have very cordial relations and very close co operation in global terrorism. Qadyanis have occupied key positions through unju st practices and utter nepotism. Their loyalty is with enemies of Islam. Pakista n is created for Islam and not for enemies of Islam. Qadyanis reject Allahs clear verdict that the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is the final messenger and that there would be no new Prophet of Allah after Muhammad (PBUH). Qadaynis made false prop hets and attributed to Allah what He did not say. Hence how can they be trusted? Only idiots of highest grade can trust them. They have destroyed Pakistan. Look At M. M. Ahmed, Shaukat Aziz etc what they did to Pakistan. They made Pakistan a slave of Zionist IMF and World bank and devalued Pakistani currency from 4 to a dollar to 85 a dollar. We are all paying the price for their thefts and evil a cts. In the case of Ajmal Kasab the role of our own interior ministry, navy and ministry of foreign affairs can not be totally ruled out. They are playing in th e hands of India. - Anwar Ul Haque ~~~~~~~ YOUR COMMENTS:

http://worldmuslimcongress.blogspot.com/2010/03/ahmadiyya-muslims-among-muslims. html#comments ~~~ ~~~ Posted by Mike Ghouse at 10:21 AM Labels: Ahmadiyya Muslims, American Islam, Dallas Muslims, Mike.Ghouse.Pluralist 16 comments: Qasim Rashid said... AA Br Mike, I thoroughly enjoyed your piece. Thank you for your objective feedback and const ructive criticism. Well said. wasalaam Qasim A Muslim who believes in the Messiah Sunday, March 07, 2010 9:52:00 PM Anonymous said... Mr. Anwar Ul Haque, I am sorry to hear what you have to say. My only response to your tirade is that it sounds a lot like what Hitler used to say about the Jews. He blamed the Jews for all of the problems in Germany, just as you blame Ahmadi s for all of the p roblems in Pakistan. Ahmadi s believe in "Love for all, Hatred for none." If we could all practice this, what a better world we could live in. Sunday, March 07, 2010 11:41:00 PM Inayat Lalani said... Mike, If there were no Ahmadis, these bigots will find someone else to hate. You don t understand, these people thrive on hatred; without someone to hate they would w ither and who wants to wither? Monday, March 08, 2010 12:15:00 AM Rashid Samnakay said... Mike Salams As a simple Muslim, I see the issue thus, but only in the light of the Book that we say is common to us and therefore assume that we know the reference.1- Total belief in the final Messenger s and all the Previous Messengers, makes a Pe rson a Momin. (eg 2-4) 2- Hence gets membership of the Brotherhood of Believers 3 This Membership is nullified by joining any organisation, which abrogates any ordinance of Quran--- that is, the Risalaah of Rasool 4- Selective belief, in Deen (Islamic ordinance) is not allowed. (No nit picking ) 5- Acrimonious Disunity breaks this Brotherhood and cuts relationship with Final Messenger in Deen; hence Muslim is excised from the Brotherhood of Momin . 6- Muslim people also belong to the general nation-hood of Human beings, on the basis that they are all from Adam--creation of one God. 7- The fact that Muslims of all ilk claim Quran as their Divine Book, logically makes them people of the Book as well. My Conclusion:- All Momins (Believers) who believe totally in the divine book ar e Muslims, but not all Muslims are Momins- They are merely people of the Book . As poet Iqbal had pointed out that we even have a lower levels of divisions

yun toe sayyed bhee hoe mirza bhee hoe afghaan bhee ho tum sabhee kuch hoe, btaao toe Musulman bhee hoe?! That is--we are every thing but not even muslims. Rashid Monday, March 08, 2010 12:16:00 AM Truth said... Quran-e-Majeed is preserved letter by letter and word by word and that itself is the proof that Muahmmad (PBUH) is the last and the final messenger of Allah. Qu ran is the living mircale given to the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) so that it can be seen, witnessed, acted upon with superb fruits every where in the world and at any time till the last day. No body has a right to change. Mirza Ghulam did many things against Quran in terms of Jihad, friendship with enemies of Allah etc. Monday, March 08, 2010 5:04:00 AM Anonymous said... Open Letter to Tariq Ramadan http://whatibelieve.blog.co.uk/2010/03/01/open-letter-to-tariq-ramadan-8098005/ Monday, March 08, 2010 8:31:00 AM Salim Shaikh said... Why are you keep using the Term Ahmadi Muslim, this is the exact deception Quadi anis continue to creat..Call them anything but not Muslim. Please use the correc t Identity of them. You will loose the bigger cause of creating the Hormoney but do not annoy Muslim Ummah to Portray Ahamdis, Quadianis / Mirzaiees as Muslim, one of the Muslim Sect or Islamic School of thought. Please my Brother. Monday, March 08, 2010 5:57:00 PM Mike Ghouse said... Salim Shaikh, you obviously did not read the essay, please do that. Ahmadiyya are Muslims, that is what they say who they are, and their Shahadah is "LaiLaha IllalLahu Muhammadur Rasool ullahi". Please don t act God, let God decide that on the day of judgement. They are Musl ims, period. Monday, March 08, 2010 6:03:00 PM Hasni Essa said... This message of Ahmadiyya Muslims...... couldn t have come at better time when Shia Ismaili Muslims are being humiliated and cursed by some ignorant and stupi d muslims as a reminder that days of sectarian supremacy is over and Age of Plur alism is in, under which people of all beliefs have fundamental rights to co-exi st as society as a whole and accept fact of its plurality and undertake, as a so lemn responsibility to preserve and enhance pluralism as one of our fundamental values and an inescapable condition for world peace and further human developmen t. Hasni Essa Islam for Pluralism Monday, March 08, 2010 6:04:00 PM Mike Ghouse said... Hasni, Allah is God of all universes, to define him and reduce him to one interpretatio n is not acceptable.

The people who are cursing Shia s are mis-informed, and thank God they are less than 1/10th of 1% of Muslims, they are insignificant, but misinformed. However, as moderate Muslims who make up over 95% of our population, we have to workd with all people, and at least present them another point of view, a point of view where God is lord of the universe and every human, life, and matter is c reated by his systems. Good news is a majority of any people are darn good people. Monday, March 08, 2010 6:08:00 PM Anonymous said... Dear Mike, Assalamu alaikum.w.w. Thanking you for your comments and your boldness in understanding about ahmadiyy a muslim jamath.Ahmadis having the same quran which revealed to Holy Prophet(saw ) but their interpretions for some verses of the quran is different from the oth er sect of muslims.Example is all the 72 sects are saying, that Jesus(as)was bod ily taken to the heaven and still living there but according to the ahmadis he w as attained the natural death.My request is kindly listen to the ahmadis belief and check it with quran and sunnah and hadiths and this will be the best for a m uslims in both the worlds.Thanking you.wassalam .Mubarak Tuesday, March 09, 2010 3:47:00 AM Jari said... thanks Mike, I listened to your speech in Allen, tx, good thoughts. All I will s ay that Ahmadies believe and not less than anybody practice true islam and on th e final jurisdicition of GOD which is Quran. also they believe Muhammad SAW to b e the final Law Bearing Prophet. Coming of Prophet after Muhammad ( SAW ) is onl y after the seal of Muhammad is stamped on such person. as in Sura Nisa one of t he reward of following the Prophet of Islam is Prophethood. and also we pray eve ryday Guide us to the right path, path of those on whom you gave blessings, not of those who incurred wrath or gone astray. the most supreme blessing is of cour se Prophethood which is now limited to subordinate Prophet of Muhammad ( SAW). T hat is the exact claim of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani. Wednesday, March 10, 2010 6:57:00 PM fatima-ahtesham said... Thanks for sharing its good for muslims to gathering under the one roof Thursday, April 01, 2010 7:48:00 AM Ahmad! said... Assalam u Alikum to All my brothers, I just don t get one thing about everyone... We are all Muslims "ONE UMMAH". I am An Ahmadi Muslim! we believe in Holy Quran as the Sunii s & Shia and all other do! We Believe in the Hadith Just as the Sunni Shia and all other do! We believe in the Sunnah JUST as the sunni Shia and all other do! I mean there are 99.9% Similarities and just that .1% difference and we start de bating about it. MY ADVICE TO ALL OF YOU WOULD BE "Don t debate just for the sake of debating"

Become brothers, who knows Allah tallah may become pleased with us just by being nice to each other! Wednesday, April 07, 2010 9:47:00 PM nazir said... i have been reading things about ahmadies what i feel is that they feel apoleges tic and guilty of some thing .they are always defensive they cant even defend th e prophethood of mirza to the least.i m not religious i m queit independent.howe ver if they want to call themselves as muslims let others have no problem. Sunday, July 04, 2010 12:52:00 PM Truth said... Will Toyota car allow any other car manufacturer t name their car as Toyota? Qur an is the last and final divine book and hence protected from dust and rust of t ime. It is fresh frozen for last 1450 years. This itself is a proof that Muhamma d (PBUT) was the last and the final messenger of Allah. We can can not allow any one to become God. When you write or say and claim that it is from Allah it mean s you are acting as god which is not acceptable. By having Muslim name and ident ity you penetrate and can do great damage like Shaitan Malik, Noman Bashir, Salm an Bashir and Tariq Aziz etc are doingrignowht Saturday, August 21, 2010 11:51:00 PM Post a Comment