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Friday, September 9th, 2011

By Wil Moss

I dunno how many of you have sisters, but when mine was a teenager, she was, as they say, hell on wheels. Always getting into trouble, always getting into fights (usually more with her friends than with her enemies), always managing to outthink authority figures (be they cops or parents), always hanging with a questionable crowd, always a new piercing or tattoo just drama at every turn, and usually of her own making. Nowadays shes a morally upright citizen. Shes got a dog and a cat, a boyfriend and she even just completed jury duty! But back then? Hell. On. Wheels.

And thats a lot like the Kara Zor-El youll meet in a couple weeks in SUPERGIRL #1. This Supergirl is someone with all the power of Superman, yet all of the drama and lust for life of a real teenager. And whereas I quickly learned to stay out of my sisters way, Superman hasnt learned that lesson yet though if youve seen the cover of SUPERGIRL #2, you know hes about to

Writers Michael Green & Mike Johnson (responsible for a truly great run on SUPERMAN/BATMAN) have packed SUPERGIRL with enough spectacle to give Michael Bay a run for his money. Yet at the same time, youll find yourself empathizing with The Girl of Steel like never before. I mean, if you just crash-landed on Earth, found out your family and your entire freakin planet were gone, and you had these strange new powers, wouldnt you have a pretty tough time adjusting? And trust me, Mike & Michael have some fun surprises in store, both for you readers and Kara not the least of which is the mystery surrounding her true origin

And the artist who will really sell both that level of high visual spectacle and emotional nuance is the one and only Mahmud Asrar. Folks, Mahmud has done some fine, fine work over the years from his recent Star Wars gig to some Marvel work to the great Dynamo 5 series to his ATOM story here at DC with Jeff Lemire (make sure to read ANIMAL MAN #1 and FRANKENSTEIN #1!) but people will soon look back at SUPERGIRL #1 and cite it as the comic where Mahmud started his transition from comic book artist to superstar comic book artist. Seriously, the guys got the grace of Alan Davis, the fluidity of Stuart Immonen, the figurework of Jos Luis Garca-Lpez, and an overall look and style thats 100% Asrar. (And hey, inker Dan Green, colorist Dave McCaig, and letterer John J. Hollywood Hill are no slouches either!)

So do not miss this book, OK? SUPERGIRL #1! On sale 9/21!

And speaking of books you should not miss that are on sale 9/21 (FYI, I totally flunked Subtle Transitions 101), lemme quickly work in mention of another title Im editing, DC UNIVERSE PRESENTS a showcase for some of the best characters and talent DC has to offer.

First up is a five-part Deadman story by Paul I made the Inhumans cool Jenkins and Bernard The Inhumans were always cool Chang. This ones got everything youd ever want in a comic late night hook-ups, bar brawls, monsters, mobsters, monster mobsters, existential roller coaster rides with the devil, body-hopping (which is different than the late night hook-ups), massive explosions, and of course, evil librarians.

Created by the legendary Arnold Drake and recently brought back to prominence in BRIGHTEST DAY, Deadman is one of the DC Universes best, most unusual heroes come find out why in DC UNIVERSE PRESENTS #1. (Or you can go body-hop yourself.)

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Sunday, November 16, 2008 Brave and the Bold cartoon: Streaky Cameo

Cartoon Network premiered its more kid-oriented super-hero cartoon The Brave and the Bold last week. The opening episode teamed up Batman and the Jaime Reyes Blue Beetle. Together they thwarted Kanjar Ro.

Early in the episode, Jaime and a friend are watching TV. If you blinked you missed it, but there was a commercial for Plastino's Cat Snacks featuring Streaky!

Of course, Al Plastino drew Action Comics #252, the first appearance of Supergirl, so nice little homage there.

But is there any denying that 2008 is The Year of Streaky?

Tiny Titans, Final Crisis, a planned appearance in Cosmic Adventures, part of the Deluxe Supergirl doll, and now a television appearance !! Unbelievable!

As for the show, it clearly is based on a kinder gentler DC universe with a less grim Batman and drawn with Dick Sprang inspired art. I guess we can hope for a Supergirl team-up in the future. Posted by Anj at 12:10 PM 4 comments Links to this post Labels: Al Plastino, Brave and Bold, Cartoon Network, Streaky Newer Posts Older Posts

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As I have said many many many times, this reboot of Supergirl worries me. It worries me because I have yet to read one thing that makes me think I am going to like this character. It worries me because the characterization of Supergirl in this new book bares little resemblance to the Supergirl the comic has known for the last 50+ years. Most of all, it worries me because it harkens back to the earliest issues of the last volume of Supergirl, a clumsy practically unreadable book starring an unlikeable young girl who was hardly a hero.

DC wanted to move away from the Jeph Loeb and Joe Kelly characterization of Kara just a handful of years ago. And yet here we are again. The 'new' Supergirl sounds suspiciously like that old one, the one that slaughtered her schoolmates, wanted to kill Superman, hung out at bars, smoked, and did very little that was heroic. If you want to make a character like that ... fine ... just don't call it Supergirl.

The latest issue of Action Comics had a nice publicity shot of the Superman Family books and there in the middle is Supergirl fighting robots. Her tag line ... 'alone and hunted'. So maybe that means alone in this adventure ... but it sounds like the creative team wants her to be alone ... isolated, alienated. Remember she has no affection for humanity so don't piss her off. I suppose I should be happy that her tag line isn't Superboy's: 'Reprogrammed to Kill!'.

Despite the dizzying amount of publicity coming out about the new DC books, Supergirl hasn't been written about much. I keep hoping that something will come out that might give me some optimism about the book.

Then this DC Source blog posted this about Supergirl:

http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2011/09/09/from-the-editor%e2%80%99s-desk-wil-mosson-supergirl-and-dc-universe-presents/ Looks like my worries right be on target.

I dunno how many of you have sisters, but when mine was a teenager, she was, as they say, hell on wheels. Always getting into trouble, always getting into fights (usually more with her friends than with her enemies), always managing to outthink authority figures (be they cops or parents), always hanging with a questionable crowd, always a new piercing or tattoo just drama at every turn, and usually of her own making. Hell. On. Wheels.

Read the paragraph again and just ask yourself if you think that describes Supergirl. Getting into trouble. Fighting with friends more than enemies. Hanging out with a questionable crowd. Hell on wheels.

I'm not saying I need the simple saccharin 'throw me in the orphanage' girl from the 1950s. But Supergirl, in all her incarnations (outside of the odious first 19 issues of the first series) has always been a hero first, someone who tries her best to do what's right. Someone who embodies hope and strives to help others. There is a reason so many people state that Crisis on Infinite Earths #7 is the best Supergirl story. It is because she is at her most heroic, sacrificing herself for family and friends, saving the world despite knowing she will probably die.

Reread that top Source paragraph one more time. Paul Kupperberg's Supergirl in the 1980s wasn't that character. Sterling Gates' Supergirl wasn't that character. Landry Walker's Supergirl wasn't that character. Neither was James Peaty's or Kelly Sue DeConnick's. I doubt that Brian Wood's version of the character would be described that way either. Heck, that isn't even Marv Wolfman's Supergirl!But that is the Supergirl DC is giving us.

Here is more of the Source post.

And thats a lot like the Kara Zor-El youll meet in a couple weeks in Supergirl #1. This Supergirl is someone with all the power of Superman, yet all of the drama and lust for life of a real teenager. And whereas I quickly learned to stay out of my sisters way, Superman hasnt learned that lesson yet

I don't know but something about the addition of the phrase 'lust for life' is chilling and the description of her in the other paragraph is all wrong. And she gets to fight with Superman again!

This whole thing sounds like a gigantic step backwards for the character. And it worries me. I just want to know what made DC think that this was the right direction to go in for Supergirl.

I will buy the book and keep an open mind. I will review it here. But I don't have high hopes for it. Posted by Anj at 8:00 AM Labels: Mahmud Asrar, Michael Green, Mike Johnson, Superboy, Supergirl, Superman 37 comments: Anonymous said...

THAT Is DC's Big Idea for Supergirl, to turn her into the Silver Age Incredible Hulk..."Alone and Hunted"?

Oy Vey!!

But then again that seems to be DC's overall plan to become The Best and Most Profitable and Most Popular Ersatz Marvel Comics around. Sheer genius, only Atlas Comics circa 1975 can beat a record like that. Well poor can survive even death and the forcible expulsion of her fans from the DC Aud, somehow she will have to survive. Still, I will read the initial issues and reserve final and irrevocable comment til then.

JF September 10, 2011 9:22 AM Gear said...

I find it strange that every time we hear a DC person other than Gail Simone talk about women in general there's this hint of "women are just like that" in the tone. In the article by Wil Moss I get that feel that he still resents what his sister was like when she was growing up. We got the same thing from Ed Berganza during the early stages of the last run in 2006. It's almost as if the men at DC are still the same the geeky, inept, sociallyawkward guys they were in high school and all of their female characters are an attempt to either worship or retaliate against the girls that refused to date them. They're not real people, they're cardboard cut-out stand-up figures of what they think those strange girl creatures must be like.

I really can't understand this. Zatanna is now "dark", Wonder Girl is a criminal, Harley is crazier than before, Donna Troy is just gone, Power Girl can't have her own book, Selina Kyle is apparently going to be all about being sexy, we can't have a cheery and happy Stephanie Brown Batgirl, the Justice League is back to being a Smurf team, and Supergirl is a resentful teenager that hates authority and fights with her friends and is always getting into trouble. I guess that in the DC universe a female character can't be likable and admirable until someone "sets her straight," probably a male authority figure. Maybe that's why they haven't been able to figure out how to write a successful Wonder Woman book, the character just doesn't fit into their mental model of how women behave.

I really hate to say this, but Supergirl has gone from my long-haul list to my short term list. My favorite character has to prove herself to me, and that just stinks. DC has three issues, I don't have the patience to sit through another two years of inept male writers telling me how much they think teenage girls suck. September 10, 2011 10:09 AM Anonymous said...

I agree with Gear. The new Supergirl book is also on my short list. I hated the Kelly characterization and have enjoyed the Gates, Peaty, DeConnick, and Landry versions much more. I will not spend $ on another Kelly-like version of SG. I hope that it is a case of the headline not matching up to the article, and that the new book is different than the solicit, and that it includes a heroic, compelling and interesting SG, but that could be wishful thnking. All I know is that the new creators have 1, maybe 2 issues, to keep me hooked. I have no intention of spendng $ for 3 months on a crappy book. Scott September 10, 2011 10:40 AM Anonymous said...

Still sounds to me like a huge improvement over issues 20-59. One does not have to be simplistic to be a hero first-- she can be a rebellious teen, one who actually acts like a teen,and she can out think authority figures and still be a hero first. She should be a lot more Superman in Action #1 than an inferior (with sexist restrictions) version of silver age Superman.

Puckett and Palmiotti's takes on Supergirl had to be the worst takes on Supergirl since the earliest appearances of the character. Supergirl was represented as dumb, screwing up everything she attempted, obsequious, needing Superman to fix her mistakes, crying over everything, and never speaking up for herself. Gates/Igle was almost as bad. The touchdown celebration of the baseball field was an obvious dumb blond joke. "I don't have time to date" was a very problematic as well, just like some of the comments Igle made. Not many under 50 are interested in a dull-witted, overly emotional, 1950's-esque version of Supergirl.

The character had progressed beautifully under David's Linda and Loeb and Kelly's Kara. Then DC screwed everything up. They made her the inferior Superman in a skirt again. She wasn't her own character with her own personality doing her own thing. She was Superman's Robin. Her sales went to hell because of it.

The new Supergirl is already projected to sell more than any issue since Churchill was doing the art. I'd say DC better stand by this version of Supergirl and not allow the character to get screwed over by people who think a teenage female "needs to know her place." Dull-witted, inferior Superman Kara has no place in post 1950's/early 60's comics. Female characters have come along way since Wally Cleaver's girlfriends. September 10, 2011 11:09 AM Anonymous said...

Hi Larry.

The comic buying audience disagreed with you. During that period Supergirl went from selling over 100,000 copies in issue #1 to a little over 50,000 by issue #12, an almost 50% drop. Sorry, that's an epic failure, and the homicidal murderous villain you love had to undergo emergency surgery to prevent the book from being canceled. Whether you like the later run or not it was necessary because the buying public was running from that Supergirl like she was made of Kryptonite. The reason this new book is projected to sell so well is that main characters always sell well in #1 issues, and the run you love tanked so bad. Nobody wanted to read it.

The crazed angry sex-pot that you dream about was a horrible read. September 10, 2011 11:35 AM Dave Mullen said...

It's worrying too much. You can do a moody Supergirl sure but it's a very limited idea as no one wants to read about a self absorbed and aggresive teen for issue after issue. There has to be another aspect to her for the buying audience to care enough what happens to her. An angsty, angry Supergirl has already been done and the Loeb/Turner run is a hard act to follow, those stories are still fairly current and even inspired the recent DVD animation, all they're doing therefore is a retread. It's not moving the character on one iota. September 10, 2011 12:41 PM Anonymous said...

Dear Larry,

As I've said before a couple times (and you continue to willfully ignore): the touchdown celebration joke in SG #34 was not a "dumb blond" joke, it was an "alien-to-our-culture" joke.

I should know the intention of that line, I wrote it.

Please stop saying it was a "dumb blond" joke, because it was not.

Thanks (and sorry to intrude on the discussion, Anj), -Sterling September 10, 2011 1:21 PM Anonymous said...

Thanks Sterling for popping in! For me, I'm having an uneasy feeling about this new SG.

Landry, Sterling, David, Kelly Sue and Peatty had a great grasp on the character but... I'm getting a uneasy vibe here from the blurb to the series...

I don't know if it's just me who thinks that they're going at this the wrong way but... I think the "socialite Supergirl" aspect HAS been done before and so has the "angry teen with Superpowers"*-thing-which Sterling did a great job at tweaking to the point that she's an actual teenager with superpowers WITH feelings and issues that makes sense for her journey both emotionally and mentally.

Gail Simone is an awesome individual and I'm happy she's on Batgirl but with that I'm also uneasy because I grew up seeing Babs both walking as Batgirl AND not walking as Oracle. With that said, she had this to say to me, and other Babs-fans, on Tumblr: "...

As for the getting her out of a chair thing, Ive actually discussed this a lot. When people suggested a Lazarus Pit or a Purple Ray solution, Ive always felt that was a bad idea, I still do. Ive talked about this at length. But those things do create a logic problem that has increasingly grown awkward as the years go on.

Again, people may not agree with the idea at all, thats perfectly fair, but going the magic wand route has always seemed to be the most problematic road to take out of all possible choices. ...

This idea has been floated in the past and it was always felt that if they were GOING to do it, the magic wand was probably the worst way to do it. But the discussion was still that it shouldnt be done. ...

With the relaunch, a lot of characters are going back to an earlier stage (not all, which, I agree, is confusing and sucks). Were still not going the magic wand route, however."

Me:

"...Thats good to hear, Gail. Glad youre back here to clear things up again. I love Oracle as well as Babs as Batgirl so Im still conflicted about this I just hope Oracle isnt forgotten while this new DCU is running. As for her walking again, its a tough decision, Im sure of it. Im still on the fence about it, too, and not everyone can do what she does and still have the strength to overcome all odds; physically and/or by their test of personal faith and will power But, I just hope shes still the same Babs we all know and love-whether or not she walks again."

Gail: "...Losing Oracle sucks. Im happy to write Barbara as Batgirl. Its lovely. But there is an Oracle-sized hole and Im not sure any one character can fill it."

I think Gail understands what we were trying to voice here: We love and relate to these great characters-whether it would be Barbara, Kara, Renee Montoy, Savant, Creole or any other character mentioned here.

She's an awesome person and she appreciates us voicing our opinions, because if we don't, then who will? Link here:

http://gailsimone.tumblr.com/post/9948871383/i-like-how-gail-simone-keeps-living-downto-my

That's after a buch of cutting and pasting of lines from the posts. I just whittled it down to the necessary issues here. The whole link is up there.

*This is a really big generalization here. I put that there because it was the only way to describe it at the moment, I guess. :-/

-ealperin September 10, 2011 3:11 PM Gene said...

"have packed SUPERGIRL with enough spectacle to give Michael Bay a run for his money."

Well that sentence alone is enough to give me pause.

Gear has made some excellent points. In every incarnation in her 50+ history Supergirl has always been a positive person for good. That doesn't mean she was always a Pollyanna, she could be quite serious at times in David's run for instance.

It would be out of place to transplant a personality that is contrary to what Supergirl has been known for just so the creative team could benefit therapeutically. If they want to do something similar to Kara on Smallville, fine. But if I want to read someone like Ravager, then I'll read a Ravager comic, not a Supergirl comic where Kara acts like Ravager.

Gene

P.S. Nice to hear from you again Sterling! September 10, 2011 5:02 PM valerie21601 said...

One character DC and Gail Simon could consider for an Oracle replacement is if their not going to allow is Stephanie Brown to be Batgirl. She could become the new DCnU Oracle. September 10, 2011 5:27 PM Anj said...

Thanks for all the comments and thanks for stopping by Sterling.

I also keep hoping that solicit and this post is off the mark, that any alienation Supergirl feels only early on as she acclimates herself to Earth. Only as the first step of her hero's journey.

The Ravager comparison is perfect. Would people be happy if Marvel said they were rebooting Wolverine as a pacifist? How about Spiderman as a rich kid? Batman as a killer?

Characters can grow but it is hard to read someone like Supergirl when she is portrayed so contrary to the character she is.

It is like when DC made Mary Marvel a 'bad girl'. It didn't work. September 10, 2011 5:36 PM Dave Mullen said...

"It is like when DC made Mary Marvel a 'bad girl'. It didn't work."

Yeah, that's an extreme example but the common theme tieing the Superman family together here in this reinvention is the notion of xenophbism, of being excluded and targeted because they are aliens. I don't know just how strong that will be across the books but DC have made a lot of play out of it beint an element at play in there and if so it does alter the characters and their world substantially. This is possibly DCs equivalent of Marvels Anti-Mutant hysteria and while there are stories in such to be had with such a treatment it's still going against the spirit of the character and their world. Geoff Johns explored some of this in his 31st century Legion tales and the New Krypton arc went into very similar territory, but it didn't really work there as Superman-as-anoutcast, of any sort, undermines the very nature of the character. It weakens the authority he commands and projects, both as a symbol and as premier hero. Supergirl too as we have seen does not respond well to the isolationists treatment, it may be they are tring to get back to the Loeb/Turner version and the impact it generated but as I said, we've been there already, and sequels are frequently dissapointing. September 10, 2011 6:37 PM Anonymous said...

As said in the blog, Supergirl should be a hero first.

So an editor remembers his sister being a pain in the ass when she was teenager. My

sister-in-law was the same- think I want read about it? No. I know my brothers, sister-inlaws and their sons don't want to read about teenage girl 'drama.' They're getting enough at home from my nieces (Bless their hearts). Hopefully, enough teenage girls will be interested in this book to keep it afloat because we all know they are the target market for comics. I'm in for at least the first six issues of Supergirl for sentiment's sake.

Ages ago I read a blog that described the hands that were dealt to female comic characters. It wasn't pretty and opened my eyes to how female characters were collectively treated in DC and Marvel comics. The blog may have been written by Gail Simone; I stand to be corrected. If the new Supergirl will be treated in the same way, it will be dissappointing for me.

I want the comics I read to be good. I want to be proud of the books I buy. I don't want my books to be filled with the malicious fantasies, resentments and memories those involved have/had with the women in their lives. Get a life and/or therapy and leave Supergirl out of it.

The notion of xenophobism can make for a good story. I loved how it was used in the LSH book. I hope it's as well used within the new 52. September 11, 2011 10:22 AM Anj said...

I agree with the points said here.

Who would want to read about the angry, wrong crowd, 'fighting friends and family' Supergirl long term?

As I have said before, she was tough to like as a character during the Loeb and Kelly periods. I hope this one is easier to care about. September 11, 2011 2:47 PM Ayhe said...

I didnt pay too much attention to that post in the Source, I d rather read the book and then make my own conclusions.

I dont know what kind of Supergirl we are going to see, but I dont think this new Supergirl will be as angsty and bratty as in the inital issues. I d like to think well be getting a very different, and at the same time, Supergirl who still has a very gentle heart despite the circunstances

I am chosing optimism! :3

Ayhe September 11, 2011 3:40 PM Ayhe said...

*well be getting a very different, and at the same time, interesting Supergirl who still has a very gentle heart despite the circunstances

-sorry for the double postSeptember 11, 2011 3:41 PM Anj said...

I didnt pay too much attention to that post in the Source, I d rather read the book and then make my own conclusions.

That's a great point too.

I am trying to go in with an open mind, hoping the book reads wonderfully. September 11, 2011 5:08 PM Anonymous said...

Yeah what happened to Mary Marvel is very much a cautionary tale within the DCU and for Supergirl fandom in particular. She went uber-bad, got depowered as a punishment and no one has heard a peep out of her since.

THAT was an attempt to update MM make her relevant and take her out of Captain Marvel's shadow as well... Gosh DC sure has a handle on those classic heroines eh??

JF September 11, 2011 6:25 PM Martin Gray said...

I was aghast when I read that Source post. When the initial solicitations spoke of a Supergirl you didn't want to 'piss off' I plumped for that old optimism, told myself it was simply a case of the blurb person not having read the comic yet. But this is the actual editor, one of the guys meany to push a certain editorial line.

I'm far less optimistic now.

Why does DC equate 'teenage' with 'moody'? I don't want Kara to court unpopularity with potential new fans because the editor's sister was a moody mare.

Oh well, maybe she'll show her knickers, then at least Larry will he happy. September 12, 2011 11:04 AM Captain Comics said...

We won't be following the new Supergirl stories in our home, as we are looking for more all-ages books like Cosmic Adventures in the 8th Grade.

I'm not sure if this would be of interest to you or not Anj, but we just kicked off Supergirl Week at our blog The Brave and the Old! September 12, 2011 1:38 PM Hal Jordan said...

This is what I've been waiting for when it comes to Kara. I don't want sweet. I don't want the nice girl from down the street.

I want that badass alien who is trying to figure out how to deal with this new world and what she knows, how to reconcile the two.

I'm hoping deeply that Kara's depiction is similar, in certain ways, to Wonder Woman's. Both are essentially aliens to this world. Both come from advanced societies. Both have great power, but need to deal with how to utilize that power. September 12, 2011 4:07 PM Martin Gray said...

That's not who these characters are, Hal. Such stories could be compelling, but I don't want to see them at the expense of Kara and Diana. There's a good chance DC will take this approach with Starfire. September 12, 2011 4:32 PM Anj said...

I agree that a long post from the editor carries more weight than a solicit or a throw away line from a con panel. It is worrisome.

I think Supergirl can be badass when she needs to be (she certainly had plenty of kick butt scenes in the Gates period).

But the bottom line is she needs to be heroic.

This defiant angry disaffected girl sounds unlikeable .. unreadable. September 12, 2011 4:53 PM Anj said...

We won't be following the new Supergirl stories in our home, as we are looking for more

all-ages books like Cosmic Adventures in the 8th Grade.

I'm not sure if this would be of interest to you or not Anj, but we just kicked off Supergirl Week at our blog The Brave and the Old!

Yeah, this new Supergirl can't be shared with the supergirls at home.

Thanks for the info about your site! Will check it out! September 12, 2011 4:54 PM Hal Jordan said...

Martin Gray said:

"That's not who these characters are, Hal. Such stories could be compelling, but I don't want to see them at the expense of Kara and Diana. There's a good chance DC will take this approach with Starfire."

Anj said:

"This defiant angry disaffected girl sounds unlikeable .. unreadable."

See, I don't see how being a teenage girl from a vastly superior society makes her somehow angry and/or disaffected.

Teen girls are often ... not nice. They have all sorts of issues they are dealing with. Add to that not only the ability to crush planets, but also the fact that the people of one's adoptive planet are the equivalent of, say, cats or dogs to us, and I see a character who would naturally feel superior but also feel troubled reconciling everything. September 12, 2011 6:08 PM Martin Gray said...

Hal wrote: '...the people of one's adoptive planet are the equivalent of, say, cats or dogs to us'.

But they're not. The El family chose to send two beloved children here - why would they send Kara and Kal to live in the equivalent of a cat and dog home? Yes, the science is less advanced, and Superman and Supergirl gain powers, but the people are basically the same. If new Kara does show up and consider us so far beneath her, she's not someone I - and most of the people who comment at this blog - wish to read about.

And yes, teenage girls can be horrible. So can grown men. And maiden aunts. Doesn't mean I want to read about them. I'll go search out some heroes. September 12, 2011 6:15 PM Hal Jordan said...

"But they're not. The El family chose to send two beloved children here - why would they send Kara and Kal to live in the equivalent of a cat and dog home? Yes, the science is less advanced, and Superman and Supergirl gain powers, but the people are basically the same."

I disagree. This world is a nightmare, murders happen every second, rape is a national pastime in many places (see Demo. Rep. of Congo). There are people with billions of dollars, and people who literally starve to death. Starve. To. Death.

Kara must look at this world as if it is full of less-than-primates. Her ability to be decent and heroic is an actual CHALLENGE!

And yes, anyone can be mean. But anyone who has spent any time with teenage girls knows how nasty and troubling they can be. It's hormonal. Just like teenaged boys.

I just think that this is a great way to go, if they do in fact go that way. September 12, 2011 6:34 PM Martin Gray said...

Well, I'll be trying the first few issues. At the very least, we'll all have some interesting chats! September 12, 2011 6:36 PM Hal Jordan said...

Fair enough! :) September 12, 2011 6:59 PM Anj said...

Kara must look at this world as if it is full of less-than-primates. Her ability to be decent and heroic is an actual CHALLENGE!

I agree that the main thing to do now is read the book and see how it all plays out.

I also think that it will be a challenge for the writers to make Supergirl likeable ... readable ... if she truly looks at the people of Earth as chimps.

I still say that throughout her career, Kara's best quality is hope. She always tries to do what's right. I hope that still will be there with 'this' Supergirl. September 13, 2011 7:13 AM Gear said...

This response thread has gone on a long time, and reading all these responses has crystallized something for me. So I'll make one more comment, then shut up.

And yes, anyone can be mean. But anyone who has spent any time with teenage girls knows how nasty and troubling they can be. It's hormonal. Just like teenaged boys.

You see, this is my problem with the new DCnU, and in some ways DC in general for the

last few years in a nutshell. Teenage boys can be a handful, and so can teenage girls. But most of them aren't, and many of them are good, quality, giving members of their communities. They work on food drives for the hungry, and help out at retirement homes, and belong to charitable organizations. Sure, some troll the malls, or get into fights, or become criminals. But not the majority, not even a significant minority. If they did our social problems would be much worse than they are.

But in the new DC, the DCnU, teenage boys gain powers and become heroes. Teenage girls gain powers and they become angry, fight with everyone, are unpredictable "hell on wheels" (Kara) or criminals (Wonder girl). In the real world, sexual assaults happen during war - by men against women. In the world of DC, sexual assaults happen - by women against men, the Amazons during Flashpoint (I find it telling that the only time DC deals with the issue of sexual crimes during war it's women who are the perps and men the victims.) In the real world most juvenile delinquency and youth crime is by teenage boys, by a huge margin. In DC, it's the girls that are the difficult ones that need to be set straight by the male hero.

I don't need all of the young super women in DC to be totally admirable. I'd be happy to have just one. We can't have Mary Marvel, we can't have Stephanie Brown, we can't have Cassie Sandsmark, and it looks like we can't have Kara Zor-El. We can't have any females that are good to the core, start out that way, and are admirable as a part of their being instead of having to be mentored into it by a loving but strict Patriarch.

So there it is. Why can't a Supergirl be as admirable at her core as a Superman? Why does she have to be a problem child - again? Why can't we have just one female heroine that we can point little girls and teenagers to as an example, much like we do with Superman?

Please DC? Just one? Do all the females have to be weird bad-girl fantasies like Mary Marvel in leather? September 13, 2011 12:56 PM Anonymous said...

They have...if youre David Rockefeller, own "DC Comix", and your only Agenda is to COVERTLY INDOCTRINATE all readers into a Masonic-Kazahar Cainite "Cult of Isis=Wonder Woman=Maria Magdalena" Satanic covert bull"##$%&&, since COIE in 1985.-

Incidentally, both "COIE" & "Death of SM" in 1992 were Satanic, Illuminati, Masonic covert ceremonies (like 9-11) to bring in their Father in Heaven (guess who) "Age of Aquarius". DAVID September 13, 2011 1:39 PM Martin Gray said...

Gear, thank you for a wonderful post. We need to get that to Dan DiDio ... Maybe he liked his sister! September 13, 2011 2:47 PM Anj said...

So there it is. Why can't a Supergirl be as admirable at her core as a Superman? Why does she have to be a problem child - again? Why can't we have just one female heroine that we can point little girls and teenagers to as an example, much like we do with Superman?

Great post.

As you say, can't Supergirl be a hero. Why must all girl heroes be painted with the same brush.

This has been a great thread and great converstion. I really want to thank everyone for taking the time to post. September 13, 2011 5:27 PM Benwahbob said...

Because one of the people guiding the new DCU is Eddie "Why can't we get women to read Supergirl?" Berganza. Remember this? http://www.filmfodder.com/comics/archives/2007/01/berganzas_bizarre_plea_for_sup.sht ml September 14, 2011 1:56 AM Gene said...

Thanks for sharing that link Benwahbob! Looks like Deja Vu for Supergirl again. :(

Gene September 14, 2011 1:34 PM Anj said...

Thanks for that link Bob.

I had forgotten how terrible that plea was. Creepy how history is repeating itself here. September 14, 2011 2:28 PM

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As I have said many many many times, this reboot of Supergirl worries me. It worries me because I have yet to read one thing that makes me think I am going to like this character. It worries me because the characterization of Supergirl in this new book bares little resemblance to the Supergirl the comic has known for the last 50+ years. Most of all, it worries me because it harkens back to the earliest issues of the last volume of Supergirl, a clumsy practically unreadable book starring an unlikeable young girl who was hardly a hero.

DC wanted to move away from the Jeph Loeb and Joe Kelly characterization of Kara just a handful of years ago. And yet here we are again. The 'new' Supergirl sounds suspiciously like that old one, the one that slaughtered her schoolmates, wanted to kill Superman, hung out at bars, smoked, and did very little that was heroic. If you want to make a character like that ... fine ... just don't call it Supergirl.

The latest issue of Action Comics had a nice publicity shot of the Superman Family books and there in the middle is Supergirl fighting robots. Her tag line ... 'alone and hunted'. So maybe that means alone in this adventure ... but it sounds like the creative team wants her to be alone ... isolated, alienated. Remember she has no affection for humanity so don't piss her off. I suppose I should be happy that her tag line isn't Superboy's: 'Reprogrammed to Kill!'.

Despite the dizzying amount of publicity coming out about the new DC books, Supergirl hasn't been written about much. I keep hoping that something will come out that might give me some optimism about the book.

Then this DC Source blog posted this about Supergirl: http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2011/09/09/from-the-editor%e2%80%99s-desk-wil-mosson-supergirl-and-dc-universe-presents/ Looks like my worries right be on target.

I dunno how many of you have sisters, but when mine was a teenager, she was, as they say, hell on wheels. Always getting into trouble, always getting into fights (usually more with her friends than with her enemies), always managing to outthink authority figures (be they cops or parents), always hanging with a questionable crowd, always a new piercing or tattoo just drama at every turn, and usually of her own making. Hell. On. Wheels.

Read the paragraph again and just ask yourself if you think that describes Supergirl. Getting into trouble. Fighting with friends more than enemies. Hanging out with a questionable crowd. Hell on wheels.

I'm not saying I need the simple saccharin 'throw me in the orphanage' girl from the 1950s. But Supergirl, in all her incarnations (outside of the odious first 19 issues of the first series) has always been a hero first, someone who tries her best to do what's right. Someone who embodies hope and strives to help others. There is a reason so many people state that Crisis on Infinite Earths #7 is the best Supergirl story. It is because she is at her most heroic, sacrificing herself for family and friends, saving the world despite knowing she will probably die.

Reread that top Source paragraph one more time. Paul Kupperberg's Supergirl in the

1980s wasn't that character. Sterling Gates' Supergirl wasn't that character. Landry Walker's Supergirl wasn't that character. Neither was James Peaty's or Kelly Sue DeConnick's. I doubt that Brian Wood's version of the character would be described that way either. Heck, that isn't even Marv Wolfman's Supergirl!But that is the Supergirl DC is giving us.

Here is more of the Source post.

And thats a lot like the Kara Zor-El youll meet in a couple weeks in Supergirl #1. This Supergirl is someone with all the power of Superman, yet all of the drama and lust for life of a real teenager. And whereas I quickly learned to stay out of my sisters way, Superman hasnt learned that lesson yet

I don't know but something about the addition of the phrase 'lust for life' is chilling and the description of her in the other paragraph is all wrong. And she gets to fight with Superman again!

This whole thing sounds like a gigantic step backwards for the character. And it worries me. I just want to know what made DC think that this was the right direction to go in for Supergirl.

I will buy the book and keep an open mind. I will review it here. But I don't have high hopes for it. Posted by Anj at 8:00 AM Labels: Mahmud Asrar, Michael Green, Mike Johnson, Superboy, Supergirl, Superman 37 comments: Anonymous said...

THAT Is DC's Big Idea for Supergirl, to turn her into the Silver Age Incredible Hulk..."Alone and Hunted"?

Oy Vey!!

But then again that seems to be DC's overall plan to become The Best and Most Profitable and Most Popular Ersatz Marvel Comics around. Sheer genius, only Atlas Comics circa 1975 can beat a record like that. Well poor can survive even death and the forcible expulsion of her fans from the DC Aud, somehow she will have to survive. Still, I will read the initial issues and reserve final and irrevocable comment til then.

JF September 10, 2011 9:22 AM Gear said...

I find it strange that every time we hear a DC person other than Gail Simone talk about women in general there's this hint of "women are just like that" in the tone. In the article by Wil Moss I get that feel that he still resents what his sister was like when she was growing up. We got the same thing from Ed Berganza during the early stages of the last run in 2006. It's almost as if the men at DC are still the same the geeky, inept, sociallyawkward guys they were in high school and all of their female characters are an attempt to either worship or retaliate against the girls that refused to date them. They're not real people, they're cardboard cut-out stand-up figures of what they think those strange girl creatures must be like.

I really can't understand this. Zatanna is now "dark", Wonder Girl is a criminal, Harley is crazier than before, Donna Troy is just gone, Power Girl can't have her own book, Selina Kyle is apparently going to be all about being sexy, we can't have a cheery and happy Stephanie Brown Batgirl, the Justice League is back to being a Smurf team, and Supergirl is a resentful teenager that hates authority and fights with her friends and is always getting into trouble. I guess that in the DC universe a female character can't be likable and admirable until someone "sets her straight," probably a male authority figure. Maybe that's why they haven't been able to figure out how to write a successful Wonder Woman book, the character just doesn't fit into their mental model of how women behave.

I really hate to say this, but Supergirl has gone from my long-haul list to my short term list. My favorite character has to prove herself to me, and that just stinks. DC has three issues, I don't have the patience to sit through another two years of inept male writers telling me how much they think teenage girls suck. September 10, 2011 10:09 AM

Anonymous said...

I agree with Gear. The new Supergirl book is also on my short list. I hated the Kelly characterization and have enjoyed the Gates, Peaty, DeConnick, and Landry versions much more. I will not spend $ on another Kelly-like version of SG. I hope that it is a case of the headline not matching up to the article, and that the new book is different than the solicit, and that it includes a heroic, compelling and interesting SG, but that could be wishful thnking. All I know is that the new creators have 1, maybe 2 issues, to keep me hooked. I have no intention of spendng $ for 3 months on a crappy book. Scott September 10, 2011 10:40 AM Anonymous said...

Still sounds to me like a huge improvement over issues 20-59. One does not have to be simplistic to be a hero first-- she can be a rebellious teen, one who actually acts like a teen,and she can out think authority figures and still be a hero first. She should be a lot more Superman in Action #1 than an inferior (with sexist restrictions) version of silver age Superman.

Puckett and Palmiotti's takes on Supergirl had to be the worst takes on Supergirl since the earliest appearances of the character. Supergirl was represented as dumb, screwing up everything she attempted, obsequious, needing Superman to fix her mistakes, crying over everything, and never speaking up for herself. Gates/Igle was almost as bad. The touchdown celebration of the baseball field was an obvious dumb blond joke. "I don't have time to date" was a very problematic as well, just like some of the comments Igle made. Not many under 50 are interested in a dull-witted, overly emotional, 1950's-esque version of Supergirl.

The character had progressed beautifully under David's Linda and Loeb and Kelly's Kara. Then DC screwed everything up. They made her the inferior Superman in a skirt again. She wasn't her own character with her own personality doing her own thing. She was Superman's Robin. Her sales went to hell because of it.

The new Supergirl is already projected to sell more than any issue since Churchill was doing the art. I'd say DC better stand by this version of Supergirl and not allow the character to get screwed over by people who think a teenage female "needs to know her place." Dull-witted, inferior Superman Kara has no place in post 1950's/early 60's comics.

Female characters have come along way since Wally Cleaver's girlfriends. September 10, 2011 11:09 AM Anonymous said...

Hi Larry.

The comic buying audience disagreed with you. During that period Supergirl went from selling over 100,000 copies in issue #1 to a little over 50,000 by issue #12, an almost 50% drop. Sorry, that's an epic failure, and the homicidal murderous villain you love had to undergo emergency surgery to prevent the book from being canceled. Whether you like the later run or not it was necessary because the buying public was running from that Supergirl like she was made of Kryptonite. The reason this new book is projected to sell so well is that main characters always sell well in #1 issues, and the run you love tanked so bad. Nobody wanted to read it.

The crazed angry sex-pot that you dream about was a horrible read. September 10, 2011 11:35 AM Dave Mullen said...

It's worrying too much. You can do a moody Supergirl sure but it's a very limited idea as no one wants to read about a self absorbed and aggresive teen for issue after issue. There has to be another aspect to her for the buying audience to care enough what happens to her. An angsty, angry Supergirl has already been done and the Loeb/Turner run is a hard act to follow, those stories are still fairly current and even inspired the recent DVD animation, all they're doing therefore is a retread. It's not moving the character on one iota. September 10, 2011 12:41 PM Anonymous said...

Dear Larry,

As I've said before a couple times (and you continue to willfully ignore): the touchdown celebration joke in SG #34 was not a "dumb blond" joke, it was an "alien-to-our-culture" joke.

I should know the intention of that line, I wrote it.

Please stop saying it was a "dumb blond" joke, because it was not.

Thanks (and sorry to intrude on the discussion, Anj), -Sterling September 10, 2011 1:21 PM Anonymous said...

Thanks Sterling for popping in! For me, I'm having an uneasy feeling about this new SG. Landry, Sterling, David, Kelly Sue and Peatty had a great grasp on the character but... I'm getting a uneasy vibe here from the blurb to the series...

I don't know if it's just me who thinks that they're going at this the wrong way but... I think the "socialite Supergirl" aspect HAS been done before and so has the "angry teen with Superpowers"*-thing-which Sterling did a great job at tweaking to the point that she's an actual teenager with superpowers WITH feelings and issues that makes sense for her journey both emotionally and mentally.

Gail Simone is an awesome individual and I'm happy she's on Batgirl but with that I'm also uneasy because I grew up seeing Babs both walking as Batgirl AND not walking as Oracle. With that said, she had this to say to me, and other Babs-fans, on Tumblr: "...

As for the getting her out of a chair thing, Ive actually discussed this a lot. When people suggested a Lazarus Pit or a Purple Ray solution, Ive always felt that was a bad idea, I still do. Ive talked about this at length. But those things do create a logic problem that has increasingly grown awkward as the years go on.

Again, people may not agree with the idea at all, thats perfectly fair, but going the magic

wand route has always seemed to be the most problematic road to take out of all possible choices. ...

This idea has been floated in the past and it was always felt that if they were GOING to do it, the magic wand was probably the worst way to do it. But the discussion was still that it shouldnt be done. ...

With the relaunch, a lot of characters are going back to an earlier stage (not all, which, I agree, is confusing and sucks). Were still not going the magic wand route, however."

Me: "...Thats good to hear, Gail. Glad youre back here to clear things up again. I love Oracle as well as Babs as Batgirl so Im still conflicted about this I just hope Oracle isnt forgotten while this new DCU is running. As for her walking again, its a tough decision, Im sure of it. Im still on the fence about it, too, and not everyone can do what she does and still have the strength to overcome all odds; physically and/or by their test of personal faith and will power But, I just hope shes still the same Babs we all know and love-whether or not she walks again."

Gail: "...Losing Oracle sucks. Im happy to write Barbara as Batgirl. Its lovely. But there is an Oracle-sized hole and Im not sure any one character can fill it."

I think Gail understands what we were trying to voice here: We love and relate to these great characters-whether it would be Barbara, Kara, Renee Montoy, Savant, Creole or any other character mentioned here.

She's an awesome person and she appreciates us voicing our opinions, because if we don't, then who will? Link here:

http://gailsimone.tumblr.com/post/9948871383/i-like-how-gail-simone-keeps-living-downto-my

That's after a buch of cutting and pasting of lines from the posts. I just whittled it down to the necessary issues here. The whole link is up there.

*This is a really big generalization here. I put that there because it was the only way to describe it at the moment, I guess. :-/

-ealperin September 10, 2011 3:11 PM Gene said...

"have packed SUPERGIRL with enough spectacle to give Michael Bay a run for his money."

Well that sentence alone is enough to give me pause.

Gear has made some excellent points. In every incarnation in her 50+ history Supergirl has always been a positive person for good. That doesn't mean she was always a Pollyanna, she could be quite serious at times in David's run for instance.

It would be out of place to transplant a personality that is contrary to what Supergirl has been known for just so the creative team could benefit therapeutically. If they want to do something similar to Kara on Smallville, fine. But if I want to read someone like Ravager, then I'll read a Ravager comic, not a Supergirl comic where Kara acts like Ravager.

Gene

P.S. Nice to hear from you again Sterling! September 10, 2011 5:02 PM valerie21601 said...

One character DC and Gail Simon could consider for an Oracle replacement is if their not going to allow is Stephanie Brown to be Batgirl. She could become the new DCnU Oracle. September 10, 2011 5:27 PM Anj said...

Thanks for all the comments and thanks for stopping by Sterling.

I also keep hoping that solicit and this post is off the mark, that any alienation Supergirl feels only early on as she acclimates herself to Earth. Only as the first step of her hero's journey.

The Ravager comparison is perfect. Would people be happy if Marvel said they were rebooting Wolverine as a pacifist? How about Spiderman as a rich kid? Batman as a killer?

Characters can grow but it is hard to read someone like Supergirl when she is portrayed so contrary to the character she is.

It is like when DC made Mary Marvel a 'bad girl'. It didn't work. September 10, 2011 5:36 PM Dave Mullen said...

"It is like when DC made Mary Marvel a 'bad girl'. It didn't work."

Yeah, that's an extreme example but the common theme tieing the Superman family together here in this reinvention is the notion of xenophbism, of being excluded and targeted because they are aliens. I don't know just how strong that will be across the books but DC have made a lot of play out of it beint an element at play in there and if so it does alter the characters and their world substantially. This is possibly DCs equivalent of Marvels Anti-Mutant hysteria and while there are stories in such to be had with such a treatment it's still going against the spirit of the character and their world.

Geoff Johns explored some of this in his 31st century Legion tales and the New Krypton arc went into very similar territory, but it didn't really work there as Superman-as-anoutcast, of any sort, undermines the very nature of the character. It weakens the authority he commands and projects, both as a symbol and as premier hero. Supergirl too as we have seen does not respond well to the isolationists treatment, it may be they are tring to get back to the Loeb/Turner version and the impact it generated but as I said, we've been there already, and sequels are frequently dissapointing. September 10, 2011 6:37 PM Anonymous said...

As said in the blog, Supergirl should be a hero first.

So an editor remembers his sister being a pain in the ass when she was teenager. My sister-in-law was the same- think I want read about it? No. I know my brothers, sister-inlaws and their sons don't want to read about teenage girl 'drama.' They're getting enough at home from my nieces (Bless their hearts). Hopefully, enough teenage girls will be interested in this book to keep it afloat because we all know they are the target market for comics. I'm in for at least the first six issues of Supergirl for sentiment's sake.

Ages ago I read a blog that described the hands that were dealt to female comic characters. It wasn't pretty and opened my eyes to how female characters were collectively treated in DC and Marvel comics. The blog may have been written by Gail Simone; I stand to be corrected. If the new Supergirl will be treated in the same way, it will be dissappointing for me.

I want the comics I read to be good. I want to be proud of the books I buy. I don't want my books to be filled with the malicious fantasies, resentments and memories those involved have/had with the women in their lives. Get a life and/or therapy and leave Supergirl out of it.

The notion of xenophobism can make for a good story. I loved how it was used in the LSH book. I hope it's as well used within the new 52. September 11, 2011 10:22 AM Anj said...

I agree with the points said here.

Who would want to read about the angry, wrong crowd, 'fighting friends and family' Supergirl long term?

As I have said before, she was tough to like as a character during the Loeb and Kelly periods. I hope this one is easier to care about. September 11, 2011 2:47 PM Ayhe said...

I didnt pay too much attention to that post in the Source, I d rather read the book and then make my own conclusions. I dont know what kind of Supergirl we are going to see, but I dont think this new Supergirl will be as angsty and bratty as in the inital issues. I d like to think well be getting a very different, and at the same time, Supergirl who still has a very gentle heart despite the circunstances

I am chosing optimism! :3

Ayhe September 11, 2011 3:40 PM Ayhe said...

*well be getting a very different, and at the same time, interesting Supergirl who still has a very gentle heart despite the circunstances

-sorry for the double postSeptember 11, 2011 3:41 PM Anj said...

I didnt pay too much attention to that post in the Source, I d rather read the book and then make my own conclusions.

That's a great point too.

I am trying to go in with an open mind, hoping the book reads wonderfully. September 11, 2011 5:08 PM Anonymous said...

Yeah what happened to Mary Marvel is very much a cautionary tale within the DCU and for Supergirl fandom in particular. She went uber-bad, got depowered as a punishment and no one has heard a peep out of her since. THAT was an attempt to update MM make her relevant and take her out of Captain Marvel's shadow as well... Gosh DC sure has a handle on those classic heroines eh??

JF September 11, 2011 6:25 PM Martin Gray said...

I was aghast when I read that Source post. When the initial solicitations spoke of a Supergirl you didn't want to 'piss off' I plumped for that old optimism, told myself it was simply a case of the blurb person not having read the comic yet. But this is the actual editor, one of the guys meany to push a certain editorial line.

I'm far less optimistic now.

Why does DC equate 'teenage' with 'moody'? I don't want Kara to court unpopularity with potential new fans because the editor's sister was a moody mare.

Oh well, maybe she'll show her knickers, then at least Larry will he happy.

September 12, 2011 11:04 AM Captain Comics said...

We won't be following the new Supergirl stories in our home, as we are looking for more all-ages books like Cosmic Adventures in the 8th Grade.

I'm not sure if this would be of interest to you or not Anj, but we just kicked off Supergirl Week at our blog The Brave and the Old! September 12, 2011 1:38 PM Hal Jordan said...

This is what I've been waiting for when it comes to Kara. I don't want sweet. I don't want the nice girl from down the street.

I want that badass alien who is trying to figure out how to deal with this new world and what she knows, how to reconcile the two.

I'm hoping deeply that Kara's depiction is similar, in certain ways, to Wonder Woman's. Both are essentially aliens to this world. Both come from advanced societies. Both have great power, but need to deal with how to utilize that power. September 12, 2011 4:07 PM Martin Gray said...

That's not who these characters are, Hal. Such stories could be compelling, but I don't want to see them at the expense of Kara and Diana. There's a good chance DC will take this approach with Starfire. September 12, 2011 4:32 PM Anj said...

I agree that a long post from the editor carries more weight than a solicit or a throw away line from a con panel. It is worrisome.

I think Supergirl can be badass when she needs to be (she certainly had plenty of kick butt scenes in the Gates period).

But the bottom line is she needs to be heroic.

This defiant angry disaffected girl sounds unlikeable .. unreadable. September 12, 2011 4:53 PM Anj said...

We won't be following the new Supergirl stories in our home, as we are looking for more all-ages books like Cosmic Adventures in the 8th Grade.

I'm not sure if this would be of interest to you or not Anj, but we just kicked off Supergirl Week at our blog The Brave and the Old!

Yeah, this new Supergirl can't be shared with the supergirls at home.

Thanks for the info about your site! Will check it out! September 12, 2011 4:54 PM Hal Jordan said...

Martin Gray said:

"That's not who these characters are, Hal. Such stories could be compelling, but I don't want to see them at the expense of Kara and Diana. There's a good chance DC will take this approach with Starfire."

Anj said:

"This defiant angry disaffected girl sounds unlikeable .. unreadable."

See, I don't see how being a teenage girl from a vastly superior society makes her somehow angry and/or disaffected.

Teen girls are often ... not nice. They have all sorts of issues they are dealing with. Add to that not only the ability to crush planets, but also the fact that the people of one's adoptive planet are the equivalent of, say, cats or dogs to us, and I see a character who would naturally feel superior but also feel troubled reconciling everything. September 12, 2011 6:08 PM Martin Gray said...

Hal wrote: '...the people of one's adoptive planet are the equivalent of, say, cats or dogs to us'.

But they're not. The El family chose to send two beloved children here - why would they send Kara and Kal to live in the equivalent of a cat and dog home? Yes, the science is less advanced, and Superman and Supergirl gain powers, but the people are basically the same. If new Kara does show up and consider us so far beneath her, she's not someone I - and most of the people who comment at this blog - wish to read about.

And yes, teenage girls can be horrible. So can grown men. And maiden aunts. Doesn't mean I want to read about them. I'll go search out some heroes. September 12, 2011 6:15 PM Hal Jordan said...

"But they're not. The El family chose to send two beloved children here - why would they send Kara and Kal to live in the equivalent of a cat and dog home? Yes, the science is less advanced, and Superman and Supergirl gain powers, but the people are basically the same."

I disagree. This world is a nightmare, murders happen every second, rape is a national

pastime in many places (see Demo. Rep. of Congo). There are people with billions of dollars, and people who literally starve to death. Starve. To. Death.

Kara must look at this world as if it is full of less-than-primates. Her ability to be decent and heroic is an actual CHALLENGE!

And yes, anyone can be mean. But anyone who has spent any time with teenage girls knows how nasty and troubling they can be. It's hormonal. Just like teenaged boys.

I just think that this is a great way to go, if they do in fact go that way. September 12, 2011 6:34 PM Martin Gray said...

Well, I'll be trying the first few issues. At the very least, we'll all have some interesting chats! September 12, 2011 6:36 PM Hal Jordan said...

Fair enough! :) September 12, 2011 6:59 PM Anj said...

Kara must look at this world as if it is full of less-than-primates. Her ability to be decent and heroic is an actual CHALLENGE!

I agree that the main thing to do now is read the book and see how it all plays out.

I also think that it will be a challenge for the writers to make Supergirl likeable ... readable ... if she truly looks at the people of Earth as chimps.

I still say that throughout her career, Kara's best quality is hope. She always tries to do what's right. I hope that still will be there with 'this' Supergirl. September 13, 2011 7:13 AM Gear said...

This response thread has gone on a long time, and reading all these responses has crystallized something for me. So I'll make one more comment, then shut up.

And yes, anyone can be mean. But anyone who has spent any time with teenage girls knows how nasty and troubling they can be. It's hormonal. Just like teenaged boys.

You see, this is my problem with the new DCnU, and in some ways DC in general for the last few years in a nutshell. Teenage boys can be a handful, and so can teenage girls. But most of them aren't, and many of them are good, quality, giving members of their communities. They work on food drives for the hungry, and help out at retirement homes, and belong to charitable organizations. Sure, some troll the malls, or get into fights, or become criminals. But not the majority, not even a significant minority. If they did our social problems would be much worse than they are.

But in the new DC, the DCnU, teenage boys gain powers and become heroes. Teenage girls gain powers and they become angry, fight with everyone, are unpredictable "hell on wheels" (Kara) or criminals (Wonder girl). In the real world, sexual assaults happen during war - by men against women. In the world of DC, sexual assaults happen - by women against men, the Amazons during Flashpoint (I find it telling that the only time DC deals with the issue of sexual crimes during war it's women who are the perps and men the victims.) In the real world most juvenile delinquency and youth crime is by teenage boys, by a huge margin. In DC, it's the girls that are the difficult ones that need to be set straight by the male hero.

I don't need all of the young super women in DC to be totally admirable. I'd be happy to have just one. We can't have Mary Marvel, we can't have Stephanie Brown, we can't have Cassie Sandsmark, and it looks like we can't have Kara Zor-El. We can't have any females that are good to the core, start out that way, and are admirable as a part of their being instead of having to be mentored into it by a loving but strict Patriarch.

So there it is. Why can't a Supergirl be as admirable at her core as a Superman? Why

does she have to be a problem child - again? Why can't we have just one female heroine that we can point little girls and teenagers to as an example, much like we do with Superman?

Please DC? Just one? Do all the females have to be weird bad-girl fantasies like Mary Marvel in leather? September 13, 2011 12:56 PM Anonymous said...

They have...if youre David Rockefeller, own "DC Comix", and your only Agenda is to COVERTLY INDOCTRINATE all readers into a Masonic-Kazahar Cainite "Cult of Isis=Wonder Woman=Maria Magdalena" Satanic covert bull"##$%&&, since COIE in 1985.Incidentally, both "COIE" & "Death of SM" in 1992 were Satanic, Illuminati, Masonic covert ceremonies (like 9-11) to bring in their Father in Heaven (guess who) "Age of Aquarius". DAVID September 13, 2011 1:39 PM Martin Gray said...

Gear, thank you for a wonderful post. We need to get that to Dan DiDio ... Maybe he liked his sister! September 13, 2011 2:47 PM Anj said...

So there it is. Why can't a Supergirl be as admirable at her core as a Superman? Why does she have to be a problem child - again? Why can't we have just one female heroine that we can point little girls and teenagers to as an example, much like we do with Superman?

Great post.

As you say, can't Supergirl be a hero. Why must all girl heroes be painted with the same

brush.

This has been a great thread and great converstion. I really want to thank everyone for taking the time to post. September 13, 2011 5:27 PM Benwahbob said...

Because one of the people guiding the new DCU is Eddie "Why can't we get women to read Supergirl?" Berganza. Remember this? http://www.filmfodder.com/comics/archives/2007/01/berganzas_bizarre_plea_for_sup.sht ml September 14, 2011 1:56 AM Gene said...

Thanks for sharing that link Benwahbob! Looks like Deja Vu for Supergirl again. :(

Gene September 14, 2011 1:34 PM Anj said...

Thanks for that link Bob.

I had forgotten how terrible that plea was. Creepy how history is repeating itself here. September 14, 2011 2:28 PM

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The DC Relaunch came out in full force this week and the comic I was looking forward to the most Action Comics #1 by Grant Morrison and Rags Morales.

Of all the new comics, Morrison's Action was the one I had the most faith in, the one I felt was most likely going to be excellent. A lot of that has to do with Morrison, a writer I have followed since his earliest work, someone whose work rarely lets me down. It helped immensely that in his All Star Superman and JLA, Morrison seemed to have such an easy understanding of who Superman is and what Superman represents. There was nothing wrong with the characterization there.

Now some things slipping out of the DC camp about Superman has made me pause and ponder pessimism. When I hear how his parents and Lois aren't around for him, that he has no tether to humanity and will feel more alienated, I worry that the powers-that-be at DC don't have the same understanding of who Superman is. Certainly missteps like the earliest issues of 'Grounded' bolster that worry.

But Morrison always said that his Superman in Action, these earliest career stories, would evoke the Golden Age Superman, the Siegel and Shuster stories. And I have read enough books about Superman to know that those guys had Superman defend the downtrodden, to do what was right for people much more than simply battling supervillains. So I always thought that Morrison would right the ship regardless of what editorial had to say.

I was right.

Action Comics #1 really hit on all cylinders, harkening back to those earliest stories in many ways, but showing us a young Superman still learning, still becoming. Even his powers are still growing. The cover shows that he isn't faster than a speeding bullet right now. And the issue flowed so easily, nothing seeming forced or rushed. On top of that, Morales art has a sort of 'classic' feel to it, a whiff of retro that fit perfectly with this flashback story.

Now when I like things, I tend to gush so this might be a longer review than usual, with lots of scans for referral, so bear with me if you can.

The story opens with Superman confronting an unscrupulous businessman named Glenmorgan, holding him on the ledge of a penthouse while the police bear down. What he is really looking for here is justice. As he says, Superman realizes that the law doesn't work the same for the rich versus the poor. Someone has to defend the little guy.

Of course, this is assault and Superman is an unknown at this point in time. So the Police arrive, aim their guns, and tell him to stand down.

But almost immediately you can tell that this is a Superman who cares. If he felt alienated and isolated, why would he crusade like this. In the end, after a frightening jump off the building, Glenmorgan does confess to bribery, no safety standards, and illegal labor. These all resonate to the earliest Siegel/Shuster stories where Superman fought for safer mining practices, better labor laws, and against corrupt government officials.

This isn't TerraMan that Superman is fighting.

That look back, that feel of early Superman stories, is felt even in the little title blurb which includes this small picture of Superman breaking chains. Now that image has been done many times in many poses. But this one reminded me of one in particular.

It reminded me of this classic picture by Shuster that was used all over the place. I know it most as the picture used on the letters sent to kids in the 30s and 40s when they joined the 'Supermen of America' fan club.

And here is Superman's credo. Treat people right or expect a visit.

That doesn't sound like someone who doesn't care.

As a vigilante, working out in the open, Superman's actions, for now, probably are frowned upon by the police and other people in authority. This 'attack' on Glenmorgan has not only got the attention of Metropolis' finest, but also the military. The city is put on alert.

Part of that counter force is the military. And in an 'everything old is new again' moment, that includes General Sam Lane and Lex Luthor.

Morrison captures Luthor's smug superiority perfectly. Here he is a consultant for the military, asked to help the US stop Superman. He calls Superman a 'creature'. And he seems confidant that he will be able to capture the Man of Steel.

But there is a chilling inhumanity in Luthor already. He doesn't care that the fight between Superman and the army will be in the 'not entirely uninhabited' Galileo Square. Luthor doesn't care if the indigents die. So who is the creature?

The attack rocks buildings, causing some collapse, and forcing Superman to rescue the inhabitants. But a point blank tank shot batters Superman, dazing him.

Now the people have to save him, standing in front of the tanks, shielding Superman. It immediately shows just how Superman can connect to people and bring out their best. But more importantly, look at Superman smiling, hugging the people who are protecting him. That is Superman.

Superman is able to slip away, jumping (not flying) back to his apartment.

But a tank shot levelling him?

Can it be that at this time 'nothing less than a bursting shell' can hurt him?

I have said elsewhere that it is the man that is the most important part of Superman. It is the upbringing by the Kents that made Superman who he is. It is his life as Clark that formed his ethics.

So this peek into Clark's life is telling. He lives in one of the poorest sections of town. He writes for one of the newspapers but as a crusader there as well. His landlady describes him as an inspiration. Clark even talks of the hard knocks he got in Smallville as ingraining his resilient nature.

Morales does a good job here showing just how Superman could hide as Clark. The uncombed hair, the oversized shirt ... it is effective.

Even the Spartan decor in Clark's apartment shows us how he is a simple person. He doesn't have a TV. His door doesn't have a lock. Only the astronomical chart hints at something more.

But something else I liked was the landlady talking about Superman as a hero of the people, defending people who live in places like this. That includes him helping a victim of spousal abuse.

Again, Morrison is looking back to the earliest days. Here in the first Action Comics #1, Superman does just that, stopping a man from beating his wife. That Superman got his hands dirty if he needed to.

Clark's first call is to his friend Jimmy Olsen, who just happens to be with Lois Lane, trailing Glenmorgan's ex-enforcer.

It turns out Clark right now writes for the Planet's biggest rival. Does that mean Clark writes for the Star (as he did in the first issue of the 1938 Action)? Clark does call in his story to his editor Mr. Taylor (again the editor of the Star way back when).

In this scene we learn a lot about Lois. She is fearless, and dogged, and willing to put herself in danger to get a story.

Clark tells Jimmy to get Lois and get off the train. Somehow Clark warns them to not get on any trains because of the earlier Glenmorgan incident. I don't know how he makes that leap, the one small blemish on the flow of the book.

But Clark was right. The train Lois and Jimmy are on is sabotaged. It speeds out of control and then derails. Superman is barely able to contain the tragedy, slowing the train down as it careens down the street.

This massive disaster reminded more of Byrne's space plane rescue than anything earlier.

And it turns out that Luthor is behind it all. He arranged for this train disaster, a way to

aim 'the world's biggest bullet' at Superman. Luthor looks at Superman as part of an alien infestation, a parasite to undermine his ecology. And now he has stopped him!

So I enjoyed this book immensely. It really did feel like Siegle and Shuster's Superman, 'the Champion of the oppressed' devoted to 'helping those in need!'

It also did just what it was supposed to do as a first issue. We have a strong sense of who Superman is here, who Clark is. We have some action to fuel the fire. We have the introduction of the villain. We meet Lois and get just a taste of who she is. And we have a great cliffhanger. There are also nice small flourishes (Jimmy's phone's ring tone is zee zee zee) and some smaller mysteries (who was the good looking blonde looking for Clark at his apartment) to grab me too.

Much like Justice League #1, I don't know if this necessarily feels 'new'. This also could have been released last year as yet another 'Superman Secret Origins' and I wouldn't have batted an eyelash. But unlike Justice League, this felt like a good opening, this did what it needed to do.

And, as I said before, Morales seems well suited for the book. This was the big win of week one.

Overall grade: A Posted by Anj at 8:00 AM Labels: General Lane, Grant Morrison, Lex Luthor, Lois Lane, Rags Morales, review, Superman 10 comments: Martin Gray said...

Very worthwhile gush, Anj! This was a great introduction to the new Superman, let's hope the 'five years later' Superman #1 is just as good. September 9, 2011 9:14 AM

Diabolu Frank said...

I'll be picking it up! September 9, 2011 12:23 PM Anonymous said...

Agreed. A+ Issue. This is the Superman I want to read about. September 9, 2011 1:14 PM Dave Mullen said...

I'm pretty sure the 'friends' visiting Clark were the Legions founder members, I recall Morrison allegedly saying there was going to be a LSH reference in the first issue and this fits the bill.

As an issue it was certainly memorable, I'm still absorbing it, there's stuff in there I don't feel comfortable with but I do applaud DC for taking the leap to give us a very radical take on Superman and make him someone people will talk about again.

But I can do without the Clark-as-peter Parker treatment! September 9, 2011 2:30 PM taichara said...

Pass. I'm not interested in a Superman who is a bully who threatens, and I don't care who it is he's bullying and threatening. September 9, 2011 2:31 PM Chad N. said...

Fantastic and insightful summary, Anj. As always, you pick up on more than a few things I missed. I would add that after reading Morrison's book, "Supergods," where he devotes an entire chapter to Golden Age Superman and Batman, that his initial approach to Action Comics #1 was not surprising.

September 9, 2011 2:55 PM mathematicscore said...

Love this.

A few comments;

@taichara: There is a fine line between bullying and standing up against wrongdoers. Especially in our youth, like Superman here, it can be difficult to make the distinction. And as Anj astutely points out, this is a purer Superman than we've seen is quite sometime. Christopher Reeves and All Star Superman grow out of this Superman.

@Dave Mullen, and Anj too; I've never been a Peter Parker fan, but here we're getting the relatability with out the whining. To me, the negative connotation of Peter Parker is feeling sorry for himself. This Superman doesn't feel sorry for himself. Look to the cover of issue two; He's beaten and captured, but defiant.

Easily the best of the "new 52" so far. September 9, 2011 6:57 PM Anonymous said...

Great review, and a great book. I loved this from beginning to end, and Superman had the hero mojo here he had lost in the last few years. I hope that Supergirl gets to be this good!

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Based on this it doesn't sound like it though. September 9, 2011 7:33 PM Anj said...

Thanks for all the comments.

I can't believe I missed the Legion thing! Thanks so much for pointing that out.

I agree that he isn't Parker here. There doesn't seem to be any of the 'woe is me' with this Superman.

This was a big win. September 10, 2011 6:00 AM Kandou Erik said...

Quite frankly, this anti-establishment sentiment for the new Superman is very welcome right now. I look at the likes of the GOP, crushing unions and giving the rich tax breaks, while deciding they want to dismantle medicare and social security -- so it's deeply satisfying to see a character like Superman, standing up for the little guy again. (Well, he always did that. But now he's doing it while terrorizing corrupt cops! ^_^) September 10, 2011 7:09 AM

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I dunno how many of you have sisters, but when mine was a teenager, she was, as they say, hell on wheels. Always getting into trouble, always getting into fights (usually more with her friends than with her enemies), always managing to outthink authority figures (be they cops or parents), always hanging with a questionable crowd, always a new piercing or tattoo just drama at every turn, and usually of her own making. Nowadays shes a morally upright citizen. Shes got a dog and a cat, a boyfriend and she even just completed jury duty! But back then? Hell. On. Wheels.

And thats a lot like the Kara Zor-El youll meet in a couple weeks in SUPERGIRL #1. This Supergirl is someone with all the power of Superman, yet all of the drama and lust for life of a real teenager. And whereas I quickly learned to stay out of my sisters way, Superman hasnt learned that lesson yet though if youve seen the cover of SUPERGIRL #2, you know hes about to

Writers Michael Green & Mike Johnson (responsible for a truly great run on SUPERMAN/BATMAN) have packed SUPERGIRL with enough spectacle to give Michael Bay a run for his money. Yet at the same time, youll find yourself empathizing with The Girl of Steel like never before. I mean, if you just crash-landed on Earth, found out your family and your entire freakin planet were gone, and you had these strange new powers, wouldnt you have a pretty tough time adjusting? And trust me, Mike & Michael have some fun surprises in store, both for you readers and Kara not the least of which is the mystery surrounding her true origin

And the artist who will really sell both that level of high visual spectacle and emotional nuance is the one and only Mahmud Asrar. Folks, Mahmud has done some fine, fine work

over the years from his recent Star Wars gig to some Marvel work to the great Dynamo 5 series to his ATOM story here at DC with Jeff Lemire (make sure to read ANIMAL MAN #1 and FRANKENSTEIN #1!) but people will soon look back at SUPERGIRL #1 and cite it as the comic where Mahmud started his transition from comic book artist to superstar comic book artist. Seriously, the guys got the grace of Alan Davis, the fluidity of Stuart Immonen, the figurework of Jos Luis Garca-Lpez, and an overall look and style thats 100% Asrar. (And hey, inker Dan Green, colorist Dave McCaig, and letterer John J. Hollywood Hill are no slouches either!)

So do not miss this book, OK? SUPERGIRL #1! On sale 9/21!

And speaking of books you should not miss that are on sale 9/21 (FYI, I totally flunked Subtle Transitions 101), lemme quickly work in mention of another title Im editing, DC UNIVERSE PRESENTS a showcase for some of the best characters and talent DC has to offer.

First up is a five-part Deadman story by Paul I made the Inhumans cool Jenkins and Bernard The Inhumans were always cool Chang. This ones got everything youd ever want in a comic late night hook-ups, bar brawls, monsters, mobsters, monster mobsters, existential roller coaster rides with the devil, body-hopping (which is different than the late night hook-ups), massive explosions, and of course, evil librarians.

Created by the legendary Arnold Drake and recently brought back to prominence in BRIGHTEST DAY, Deadman is one of the DC Universes best, most unusual heroes come find out why in DC UNIVERSE PRESENTS #1. (Or you can go body-hop yourself.)

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If there's one area of the DC Universe that is changing the most in September, it's the world of Superman. As readers found out today, Superman will be more of an "alien," will have lost the Kents as parents, and won't be married.

But all those changes apply to Supergirl as well.

In the new Supergirl comic by writers Michael Green and Mike Johnson, Kara Zor-El is a new arrival on Earth. She feels like an alien, has just lost her parents, and will be isolated on this world.

Featuring art by Mahmud A. Asrar, Supergirl #1 will introduce readers to this new teenage Supergirl from Krypton as she begins her journey toward becoming a hero. But not only is she unsure she wants to be a superhero like her cousin Superman she doesn't even know if she likes humans well enough to want to help them.

Green and Johnson are best known to comic readers for their Superman/Batman run. Green is also one third of the team who wrote the Green Lantern movie, while Johnson is involved in television production and worked on the Fringe comics based on that TV show.

Newsarama talked with Green and Johnson to find out more about their plans for Supergirl and found out they're approaching Kara Zor-El as a new character, while incorporating many of the things fans will recognize about the hero they know well.

Newsarama: We've seen the two of you write Superman before, but how is the story of Supergirl different?

Michael Green: Her story is very different, and that's what's exciting about writing this book. We're going to explore the question: Who is Supergirl as an individual, aside from just being a relative of Superman? If anyone knows anything about her, it's just that she's his cousin, and maybe then, they're not sure how that works because his whole planet blew up.

And we really want to get into, who's this girl and what's her journey here on Earth?

Nrama: So with Supergirl #1, you could pick this comic up and know nothing about the character at all, right?

Mike Johnson: You could pick up the book and never have read anything about Supergirl. The stuff that you might already know would inform it, but we want this to be a book that you can hand to anybody, boy or girl, at any age, and they can just enjoy it as a story without having to know anything about Supergirl or Superman or Krypton or anything.

Green: We're approaching this as if we're inventing a new character. Obviously, she'll have similarities to the character people already know, but she'll have some new things as well.

We're really focusing on her specific journey on our crazy planet, and letting it just be about that. She'll interact with other people in the DC Universe who are experiencing interesting things in the relaunch, other characters you'll recognize. But this is going to be Supergirl's book.

Nrama: How would you describe this Supergirl? Can you tell us about her as a person?

Johnson: She's a Kryptonian teenager who has had her entire world taken away. All her friends and family are gone, and she's suddenly on this planet called Earth, with backwards technology and people who don't behave as well as the people on her home planet.

It's like taking a teenage girl from today, who's locked into modern technology and social media and everything, and throwing her back into the Middle Ages.

And in Supergirl's case, she also suddenly has the power to rule the place. All of that would mess with anyone's head. It would mess with an adult's head, let alone a teenage girl who's finding her way in the world.

Also, she's an alien. Kryptonians are aliens. And I think that gets lost. In the past, they've been heroes and they look like us, or at least really good looking versions of us. But she notices the differences when she arrives. And that informs the way she reacts.

Green: There's also a bit of a mystery as to how she got here. Superman was supposed to be the last one from Krypton, and now she's here, and there has to be a story behind that.

But also, how does she feel about Earth? How does she find her place on Earth? What is her place on Earth? Especially when you are automatically associated with someone so world famous. How does she become her own person in Superman's shadow?

Johnson: There's also the idea that she's learning her powers in a way that Superman didn't because he grew up here. She is much more used to the Kryptonian world, since that's where she grew up. That extends to even speaking the language and understanding the way things work.

Green: She has quite a bit of struggle once she gets to this planet. Nothing here compares to the life she thought she wanted for herself, and now she has to find a new place for herself, one that really ends up being her destiny.

Nrama: It sounds like this starts off at the very beginning of her journey toward being a hero, instead of being about an established hero named Supergirl.

Johnson: Yes, the first story arc will be about her arrival. The second story arc will be more about her building her life here.

And there's a lot to explore as she becomes a hero and becomes used to this place. Rather than getting her to the end point that I think a lot of people are familiar with, where she's speaking the language already and enjoying how the food tastes, we want to first explore the alienation that she would experience.

Green: The first set of stories will be her getting to that place. She doesn't just land on our planet and immediately turn into a superhero. It's a learning process. It's right there in the name: Supergirl. She's not an adult yet. She has a ways to go.

Mike had a great line when we were first talking about this: "All teenagers are aliens in some way or another." We're just really heightening that metaphor.

Nrama: You mentioned that she feels alienated, but will she have a supporting cast?

Green: Definitely. She's going to meet people, meet friends. We're going to give her a life here. Like a lot of teenagers, it's about choosing your family through the friends you make. But it will also introduce her to people who are supposed to be her family, and she'll have to figure out what her relationship is with them.

Nrama: Is she under pressure to be like Superman?

Green: Everyone just assumes she is like Superman, because she's from the same planet and has the same type of powers. They think she should ostensibly be like he is. But she's a different person, with a different personality. Like any teenager, she would struggle with anyone's assumptions about her, whether they assume she's good or evil or helpful or indifferent.

Johnson: That extends to her powers. Obviously her basic power set is the same as Superman's, but we also want to play with the idea that the yellow sun affects Kryptonian females differently from males. And in some ways, she may be more powerful than Superman. She has different abilities that she's trying to cope with.

Nrama: Just to clear something up, though, Michael mentioned the word "evil." Kara is still one of the good guys, right?

Green: She's obviously on a journey toward becoming Supergirl and everything that name implies. But when we meet her, she doesn't know what she is. She was just a Kryptonian girl, and she's thrust onto our planet and has to figure out what she's going to be. She didn't know anyone was going to ever ask her that question, so she has to ask that question of herself: What kind of person am I going to be now that I have these new strange abilities that make me special and different?

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Nrama: For fans of your work together on Superman/Batman, will this feel similar?

Johnson: It'll be similar to in the sense of getting into their heads and being very character-specific and character-driven, but also with big action. But never losing sight of the fact that we're telling this girl's story. The action should come out of whatever she's going through.

Green: It'll probably have another similarity because, while it will fit very nicely within continuity, it's not a continuity-heavy or continuity-focused book. That's just a personal taste thing. As much as I really admire what they're able to pull off in the heavycontinuity books, because it's so much massive story to handle, we're going to be a book you can enjoy without really having read any other books. But if you've read those other books, you're going to like it even more.

Nrama: When you mention big action, will this book have villains and such for this new Supergirl character to fight?

Green: Absolutely!

Johnson: Yeah. There absolutely will be, and we'll be making a real rogues gallery for her in a way that she hasn't really had before. As we relaunch the book, we'll introduce villains who are not just Earth-based, but space-based. We'll put her up against real threats that challenge how much power she has.

And that's where the fact that she's learning how to use her powers comes into play.

Green: They will also be threats that challenge the type of person she wants to be. What makes a great rogues gallery is that they're not just physically as powerful as you, but they present some type of psychological question about what kind of person you want to be. So we want people who are up to his level.

Johnson: We'll also be bringing back a character who used to be on both sides of the hero/villain equation and hasn't been seen for awhile. This person was associated with the Justice League. But when we started talking about the character, it seemed like this character would be a great foil for Supergirl.

Nrama: You mentioned the mystery of how she got here. Is that part of the story you're telling in the comic?

Johnson: Yeah, where she comes from and how she got here is a mystery we'll be playing with. And through that, we'll be diving into Kryptonian stuff a little more. We want to take advantage of hinting and revealing things about Krypton.

Green: Look for surprises. She did grow up in Krypton, so she has memories of what Kryptonian life was. Until the day she left, she got to live the life Kal-El would have lived had the planet not blown up.

Johnson: That's one way where the book will be connected to the other Superman books. But you won't have to be reading the other books to understand what's going on in Supergirl each month. Let's just say we'd love you to buy every single DC book that comes out each month, but if you just buy Supergirl, you won't feel like you're missing out on anything.

Nrama: What is it like working with Mahmud on the book?

Green: We talked about action, and wow, Mahmud's action scenes are amazing. We have a huge gift here that we get to work with Mahmud. I feel like we don't even need to write a script... we just need to let him draw pictures of Supergirl flying around Earth and hitting villains.

Johnson: We're just ridiculously spoiled when it comes to artists. We got Rafael

Albuquerque on Superman/Batman, we got Francis Manapul, we had Rags Morales, we had all these great artists. And now we have Mahmud. I think we have the best cover of any of the books. I'm totally biased, but he's just blown us away. We're really excited. We feel like we keep hitting the jackpot with artists.

Green: We always start our conversation with artists by asking, hey, is there anything you particularly want to do? And everything that was in his sweet spot was right in line with what we were hoping to accomplish with the book. It's like we keep saying, "What do you want to eat?" And he keeps saying, "Candy!"

Nrama: Did you guys have any input on the costume?

Green: Not really, and for me, it's not about what the costume looks like though it is pretty cool but it's about what it means and what the story is behind it.

Johnson: There is a story reason she wears that particular costume.

Green: Right. Why is this girl wearing a costume in the first place? That's not an obvious thing. Usually, putting on a costume for the first time means something. It means putting on a mantle and deciding your place in the universe and what your personal goals for yourself are. So we wanted to make sure that particular costume is part of the story.

Nrama: You mentioned that other characters who have some cool things happening with them will appear in your comic. So you're working as part of the Superman office and everything else that's going on with the other books?

Green: Yeah, it's synthesized in. It's definitely going to exist within that larger world, and Superman of course has a big role in that larger world. Everyone is going to be curious about his new incarnation. And we're working with the editors on that, to make sure our story works with what is happening in that world.

Nrama: Then to finish up, is there anything else you want to tell fans to kind of summarize what they should expect from this new Kara in Supergirl?

Green: It's the Kara you know, except we're telling the story of her arrival and how she got started on her journey toward becoming a hero. We think that's the most important part. This whole relaunch is about new beginnings.

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Hello and welcome to the first installment of Rambling About Comics, and this weeks discussion of the DCnU!

As Im sure you are all aware, the latest batch of DC Comics saw the end of the DCU with Flashpoint #5, and our first look of the DCnU with Justice League #1.

Im joined today by the lovely ryley-stbatman, and together throughout this month we shall be taking a look at the first wave of DCnU titles, as well as sharing our thoughts on the titles that interested us and those that didnt.

Read on for our views about the final issue of Flashpoint and the series as whole, as well as Justice League #1.

(There will be spoilers below, so you have been warned.)

Flashpoint Talk

ryley-stbatman: So overall, how did you enjoy the issues?

sjhawkins: I enjoyed them both quite a bit, actually. Whilst Flashpoint as an event didnt blow me away, the final issue was a nice way to end the series, and worked well to end the DCU.

ryley-stbatman: Personally I liked Flashpoint a bit more than Justice League, and I think it was that end that made me enjoy it; especially the ending with Barry and Bruce. I thought that was a nice intro into the new stuff.

sjhawkins: Yeah, those last 6 pages were pretty damn awesome. Id even go as far as saying that they made the whole mini worthwhile to be honest.

ryley-stbatman: Oh yeah, totally. I also liked that they really brought everyone in there for the climax, including the Flashpoint Superman. That was something which I thought was important, because while the minis (I had read, at least) didnt have much tie-in, at

the end they all said they were leasing into Flashpoint #5, and I felt like we did get that.

Which minis did you read?

sjhawkins: I picked up Batman: Knight of Vengeance, Kid Flash Lost and Project: Superman. Yourself?

ryley-stbatman: I got Batman and Superman too, along with Emperor Aquaman and Frankenstein & The Creatures of the Unknown.

sjhawkins: Out of all of the ones I read, the Batman one was the weakest in terms of a direct link.

ryley-stbatman: Yes, until basically the last page.

sjhawkins: But as an actual story, it was amazing.

ryley-stbatman: I agree, and it was honestly what led me to buy all of 100 Bullets.

I heard that Bart got killed off in Kid Flash Lost, but I havent read that. How was the mini overall?

sjhawkins: I enjoyed it. It started off strongly, and it was nice to see the wider Flash family all referenced in some capacity. The ending tied into the section where Barry was running in Flashpoint #5, making the Kid Flash Lost ending like missing pages from it.

ryley-stbatman: So a part I enjoyed in Flashpoint was that it really seemed like Johns was tying up some plot lines with Reverse Flash that have been going on since the beginning of this run, back in Flash: Rebirth, or even in Final Crisis.

sjhawkins: I agree. You really do get a feeling that this chapter of The Flash by Johns has finished. I especially liked the spread at the end of the book, which I feel served nicely to end the DCU, whilst paving the way to the DCnU and teasing at bigger stuff to come.

ryley-stbatman: I liked that spread as well, and I think the latter half, with Barry running through time and the ending, was preferred to me than the first half. Maybe because I felt like Thawne was rambling too much

sjhawkins: Oh totally. I think its because you just know that bigger stuff is to come.

ryley-stbatman: Oh yeah, theres a total sense of that, so that was successful. ButI think its a bit much to say that because Barrys mother didnt die that Flashpoint happened

I mean the life of just that one person could change everything so drastically? Even to kill Bruce and not his parents?

sjhawkins: Yeah, that confused me somewhat. After all, she was alive originally and is only dead now due to The Flash: Rebirth.

ryley-stbatman: It had to be some doing of Thawnes.

sjhawkins: I think it is supposed to be that Thawne knew what he was doing when he changed time, whereas Barry just blundered in.

ryley-stbatman: Barry needs to get his act together

sjhawkins: Yeah, the whole Flashpoint thing wouldnt have won over the Wally West diehards.

ryley-stbatman: Barry he just lost it in his age. I guess being lost to the Speed Force for so long will do that to you?

I do like how that spread had a little window at the top with the inclusion of the Wildstorm universe, I guess giving evidence of it being integrated with DC. Its seems to me that that part might be showing more that those other two (Vertigo and Wildstorm) are integrating with DC.

I think the three timelines that are mentioned might be DC, Vertigo and Wildstorm, since all those are featured on the left page of the spread (DC is pictured how it was preFlashpoint).

And then Barry ran through those and integrated them into a single timeline, which certainly explains some stuff.

sjhawkins: Makes sense to me. I really like how Barrys costume changes across the page, and the in the final few pages he comments that everything is normal as far as he knows. I also really like the teased event or whatever will follow on from this.

ryley-stbatman: Basically, what Ive got out of this is that were going to get a lot more in the future about why or how this happened, and what exactly happened. Presumably when they arrive.

sjhawkins: Yeah. Which is why I really think that this worked really well. We sort of know why the DCU has been changed, and the vague details will be fleshed out later.

Whereas Marvels One More Day just changed everything right away with basically no explanation, revealing stuff a lot later, which royally pissed off fans. I dont think the changes were appreciated either

More than anything, to me it shows that whilst things have changed, they havent changed if you know what I mean. Theres still continuity, but certain things are being shook up a bit.

Oh, and Hal Jordan has had one hell of a five years since becoming a Green Lantern.

ryley-stbatman: Oh yeah. It seems like his career is basically the extent of Johns run now. But thats not all bad considering we still continue on pretty much right off of War of the Green Lanterns, and how that ended.

Ok, so all in all I guess we can say we both agree that Flashpoint did well to usher in this new era of the DCU. Your conclusions?

sjhawkins: Whilst it wasnt the epic event we were promised, it was a pretty enjoyable read.

ryley-stbatman: Yes. I agree that it wasnt so epic. Especially after events like Crisis on Infinite Earths and Infinite Crisis, which were the previous ones to change the DCU. But I did enjoy it and I think its ending was its best part.

Justice League Talk

sjhawkins: Right. What did you think about Justice League then?

ryley-stbatman: It was a nice little issue, and I get that were looking at sort of the Secret Origin of the JL, but it was a tad slow-paced, and Id like to see more stuff happening currently rather than five years in the past.

Mostly because of how much I enjoyed the interaction between Bruce and Barry in the end of Flashpoint.

sjhawkins: I can see that actually. Whilst it felt slow in terms of giving us the story, I did like the Batman/GL interactions.

ryley-stbatman: Those were handled expertly.

sjhawkins: Yeah, it was really enjoyable to read, particularly with this younger version of Hal. I thought it was well done and provided some really amusing moments.

Also the art for his constructs was amazing.

ryley-stbatman: Oh yeah, Jim Lee didnt do wrong in this issue.

sjhawkins: And whilst Im sure people will complain about everyone not being present, I think the fact that Johns didnt try and cram everyone into this issue was good, too.

ryley-stbatman: Yes, we got a good taste of Cyborg (pre-Cyborg) and Superman as well as the major stuff with Bats and GL.

Now, Im curious as to how long Hal has been operating as a GL at this point, because he doesnt come off as a complete rookie to me. It also looks like theyre kind of giving a Cyborg origin right now. Im thinking that maybe he joins up in the present rather than in this story set in the past, since hes still a teen in this.

sjhawkins: Id go with that. Something like he helps out during the teams first mission, gets placed on reserve duty until hes old enough. Then that allows him to go and do his thing with the Titans.

ryley-stbatman: You know, one thing this made me really curious and excited about is how they go about finding the other heroes.

We know that Barry, Diana and Arthur will be appearing here, but what brings Bruce and Hal (and Superman) to have to track them down? Im generally just anticipating the

integration of all the characters into the series.

sjhawkins: Same here. I know its almost clichd, but Im just looking forward to the Worlds Greatest Super-Heroes being united again.

ryley-stbatman: Its exciting! Especially after so long with missing all the A-Listers on one team.

Johns seems to be a master of the origin stories. I mean, I really loved both Secret Origins for Green Lantern and Superman.

sjhawkins: I loved GL, but Im still yet to read Superman. But Ive heard nothing but good things. Apart from those who grumbled about yet another origin of course.

ryley-stbatman: Well, I liked it a lot, and it featured a great integration of plenty of characters from Supermans career. Im hoping similar things happen in this Justice League arc, and it seems were getting a little of that with that alien screaming DARKSEID towards the middle of the book.

sjhawkins: I just hope that when we get to see him for the first time, hes sitting on a couch.

ryley-stbatman: That would be a fantastic little nod.

Speaking of Darkseid, Im hoping that from the mention of him that means well be seeing some more New Gods and related material in the near future. Itd be great to have a series devoted to them.

sjhawkins: Yeah, itll be nice to see them all back. We need more Barda.

ryley-stbatman: Scott and Barda would be nice. Perhaps a little bit of them in the new JLI book?

sjhawkins: Thatd be pretty neat.

ryley-stbatman: So overall, did you think the first issue of the New 52 was successful?

sjhawkins: Its done enough to make me come back. Is it accessible for new readers? Certainly. Does it feel fresh? Hell yes. Does it alienate hardcore fans? I dont see why it would.

ryley-stbatman: So it seems like DCs made a good move here.

And I agree with all of that too. It was a nice issue, and while it didnt give a lot about what exactly the New 52 is, its a great place for new readers to start. And Im sure Johns and Lee are crafting a story thatll be great for old readers as well.

sjhawkins: It should have done enough to ensure that #2 still has a decent amount of sales too. Its a title Id stick with.

ryley-stbatman: Im also sure Ill stick with it past the intro arc too, because like I said, I want to see more current interactions between the characters like with what we saw at the end of Flashpoint.

DCnU: Week Two

sjhawkins: So whats in line for you next week then?

ryley-stbatman: Ive got Action Comics, Animal Man and Swamp Thing. Im piqued by Batgirl, Justice League International and Stormwatch, though.

Whatve you got coming?

sjhawkins: As it stands, I shall be nabbing;

Action Comics, Animal Man, Green Arrow, Justice League International and Swamp Thing.

I may grab another one or two, depending on how I feel, though.

ryley-stbatman: Im definitely looking forward to all three Im grabbing. Action promises to be another cornerstone for the DCnU, and Im happy about the reintegration of Animal Man and Swamp Thing in the DCU.

sjhawkins: Swamp Thing and Animal Man Im trying out purely by how much people are raving about them.

Green Arrow is more of a hopeful buy.

ryley-stbatman: Well, by the creative teams Id say that youre pretty much guaranteed well from Swamp Thing and Animal Man.

I think I tend to be hesitant with anything that has JT Kruls name attached to it

On the subject of JLI, do you think the creative team will serve it well?

sjhawkins: I should hope so. I enjoyed Jurgens on Booster Gold, although it did end up retreading similar plot points and feeling almost formulaic.

ryley-stbatman: Do you think that theyll mention stuff about Flashpoint in there since Boosters a member?

sjhawkins: I think itll be referenced in some capacity. Batman and Booster know something happened.

ryley-stbatman: I definitely hope the best for that book, and also that it follows after how the old JLI series was. But I really felt like Judd Winick would be the writer for JLI since he did Generation Lost.

sjhawkins: Although it feels like he earned it, I guess it fits with DCs mandate to make everything apart from Batman and Green Lantern feel fresh.

For me, Stormwatch and Batgirl are the two Im unsure about whether Ill pick up or not.

Batgirl mainly because of Gail Simone, and Stormwatch just looks like it could be one of those great comics that slips under the radar.

ryley-stbatman: And Cornell is a fair writer as well. Im really curious as to the explanation of Barbara becoming Batgirl again.

sjhawkins: Same. Im interested in how they explain that she can walk, when it was previously established that it would never be possible.

ryley-stbatman: Crazy Dan DiDio stop messing around with us. But its Gail, so it ought to be good stuff.

And thats all for this week. I hope you enjoyed it. Do you agree with our thoughts? Whether you do or not, wed love to hear from you.

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relaunch for months now, readers invested in the adventures of Kate "Batwoman" Kane have been waiting longer than most.

Originally planned to his stores in January after a special "Batwoman" #0 issue hit the stands, the follow-up ongoing series to the award-winning arc in "Detective Comics" by Greg Rucka and JH Williams III was mysteriously delayed in the eleventh hour. Fans were at first perplexed at what could hold up the highly anticipated book co-written Williams and W. Haden Blackman (with art on the second issue to be handled by Amy Reeder), but before long the reveal of the New 52 made it clear that they'd have to wait no longer than the fall to see the next chapter in Kate Kane's life.

That wait ended today as "Batwoman" #1 officially arrived in comic shops across the country, revealing what's been happening with DC's red-headed heroine since the revelation that her father hid the fate of her sister-turned-arch enemy from her, the total dissolving of her romance with Rene "The Question" Montoya and the twist that saw her cousin/former teen superheroine Bette learn her identity. To help fans dig deeper into the debut, CBR News reached out to Williams to provide commentary on the biggest story threads in the ongoing's first issue. Below, the writer/artist reveals how important Kate's relationship with her father will remain to the book, what weird and supernatural secrets will drive the first murder mystery arc and subsequent genre-busting stories and romance, rivalry and a DEO agent called Chase will complicate "Batwoman" for months to come.

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CBR News: I wanted to start by talking about how you conceived the first issue of "Batwoman." The #0 issue we saw a few months back really covered the origins of the character, but as much as #1 felt like the beginning of a new ongoing adventure, there were still plenty of moments in the story that found ways to catch readers up on who Kate is and where she's been. How did you split the difference between writing this book for fans who were along for the ride in "Detective" and newbies?

JH Williams III: It was kind of tough because it's one of those things where, yes, the character had a very significant story that came before, but it wasn't necessarily in her own title. It was all about finding that balance of catching people up but giving them something new. It's a really tricky thing because you want people to feel like this is a start, but you want them to know that everything that came before mattered. It's all

about identifying the important pieces of the character, and making sure they flow properly with how the story is going to move as we set the stage for what comes next. The process on that was really just making sure we are examining the material that came before enough that we could insert what we needed in a very direct manner without being overtly expositional. That way, it allows us to jump right into new characters like the Weeping Woman, our new villain, and the new subplot material we're looking to develop.

The one subplot that everyone knows about is the falling out between Kate and her father over what exactly happened to her sister. There's an implied cold war going on between them in issue #1, and in some ways the long delay readers went through to get to this launch since DC moved it to be part of the New 52 meant echoed in the long period where they haven't been speaking. Did that occur to you at all as you were working on the story? That there would be some synchronicity for the fans and the characters?

Maybe subconsciously. We didn't really understand how much time was going to pass between one story and another until we were well into the work. That's an interesting take you've got though that the gap worked to the advantage of their estrangement and how much time we'd seen since the periodical's publication. I think that's a very interesting assessment. But for us, it wasn't a very conscious thing because we started writing the scripts for this quite a while ago. It was sometime last year.

For us, we knew that this estrangement would be taking place by the way things were left at the end of the "Elegy" book. So we had to find a way to continue that and not shortchange what came before. Focusing a lot on that will have major ramifications for where the series can go now. This is not something that can be easily solved for her and her relationship with her father.

At the same time as that relationship is off to the side and simmering, you've got a bunch of new faces making a splash in the book, and the first one is a character who you can help me solve a personal comics mystery for. For years, I've seen the name Bette Kane in print, but I've never heard someone say it out loud, and I've wondered if it's pronounced

like "Betty and Veronica" or like "Bette Midler"?

I've always pronounced it like "Betty," but I don't know. It's never occurred to me that people would pronounce it like Bette Midler, though she does spell it like that. [Laughter]

But more importantly, this is an older Bat-Universe element coming fully into play. When Kate was first introduced in "52," she was introduced as an entirely new character who, while based on a previous DCU iteration, was essentially a brand-new cast member. As you were looking on developing Bette, what was the attraction to having a sidekick-like character in Kate's world, and how much did you want to use from the character's previous iteration versus making her all-new?

We're very much approaching Bette Kane from a fresh perspective but acknowledging that she does have a comic past. Some of her lines see her referring to her time with the Titans and that kinds of stuff. The way Greg left that character because she didn't get much time in the "Elegy" book but she was in the three issues that came out which Jock drew quite a bit made for the pieces that we're picking up on. Bette realizes who Kate is and wants in because of her own past. She wants to be Batwoman's Robin, per se. So we're taking all those elements and finding a different way to play it and twist it all around. It'd be pretty boring to have it be "Here's the female version of Robin" essentially. [Laughs] Her story is going to be a long one and a quite profound one. We've got some interesting stuff in store for her, but I don't want to give away too much about it.

Though aside from the plot mechanics of it all, one way it feels like this character works for the book is that while we've gotten to know Kate as a character through the "Detective" stories...it's been a really rough ride. That's been necessitated by the revelations of the story, but those issues are very serious and in some cases sad, but Bette seems to lighten up the proceedings a bit. Was that part of the plan?

Yes. That was definitely one thing we wanted to show. Her personality versus Kate is well, Kate can be fun, but she can also be pretty morose too. Better provides that pop. She's got a slightly younger perspective on things. Her attitude towards things is a little bit more flippant than Kate. Kate is more methodical even though she responds emotionally to things. So we were very well aware of that dynamic and wanted to drive it home because it will provide some interesting character interactions and plot point interactions just because of the personality difference there.

The third big ongoing element for the book is the romantic element with Maggie Sawyer becoming a new regular in the cast. Unlike the scenes with Kate's father where we are given a very clear reminder of what happened between them, the scene where Kate catches a glimpse of Rene Montoya's picture was very silent and subtle. You absorb the impact of what that means without being given all the specifics. I'm assuming you'll get a lot of fans asking "Where is Rene in all this?" but how does your choice to focus on this new relationship with Maggie build on all that we've seen before?

In some of my conversations about the book, I heard a lot of people assuming that with Rene and Kate, they were kind of the "it" relationship for each other. But to me, it seemed like there was a lot of baggage and a lot of damage done between the two of them. And to me it felt like that damage was kind of irreparable on a personality level. I don't see them actually having a future together. I don't think Kate is the kind of character who should be constantly pining after someone instead of trying to move her life forward. In this first issue, she pretty much has set her mind on letting the past be the past and moving forward. When you think about it, it makes a lot of sense because she's sort of isolated herself from her father and is trying to set that aside and move forward from there as well. So Kate is trying to redefine her life in a lot of ways and the pieces of her life.

Her relationship with Maggie Sawyer came along, and one of the interesting things to us in writing this relationship was that so often heroes have relationships that are doomed to fail. We're not sure if we want to go there and have this character just be another superhero who can never make it work with anyone. We're definitely interested in seeing where this will take Kate. What I like about it is Kate having an interest in someone who, while she's a cop, has lived a pretty normal life in a lot of ways. And Kate...well, she hasn't. [Laughter] So that normalcy has a lot of attractiveness for her, and in some ways, that's similar to what originally attracted her to Rene. Of course, Rene ended up becoming something else. So the new relationship provides a lot of interesting dynamics for us, and we're really excited by it.

You bring up something that stands out to me overall when looking at the Weeping Woman, who I'm not even sure we can all the way call a villain yet, and the mystery with

the children. One strong thread of you and Greg's stories was this combination of very normal, relatable human issues that Kate had dealt with like "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" and then on the other hand some really, really, really weird stuff. That marriage seemed to be what made the book click then, and the new mystery fits in that mold well. Is that part of what your conception of "Batwoman" as a series is? Are those two elements always going to be driving this character's stories?

Yeah. I absolutely agree with that. In a lot of ways, you don't see a lot of interaction with the supernatural or weirder stuff and the superhero side of comics. A lot of times with the Batman stuff, even though you have some crazy characters it's all focused on trying to keep things in "realistic" terms. But I think Kate's world has shown us a different side of DC and a different side of Gotham really. There's something metaphysically unique about Gotham that makes it a place where weird stuff can happen. To me, this harkens back to the stuff that you would see weird, esoteric stuff in "Batman" in the '70s. We're bringing that back out and showing that you can have grounded characters and grounded storylines mixed in with crazy, esoteric, fantastical stuff. If it's blended right, it can work. That's one of the things that jazzed me so much about the first run and Greg's story. He introduced these elements, and that easily opens the door for us to push the envelope and see where we can take it. I think it's pretty cool.

We do meet Chase by the end of the issue, and right before this hit stands, DC announced that they're going to be releasing a full trade of your original "Chase" series.

Yes!

How did that feel to have that happen?

Pretty exhilarating, actually. It's something I've been wanting for a long time, and I knew it was an uphill battle because it's material that essentially was a story that was unfinished in her own book. She ended up having plenty of guest appearances since then and the same with the DEO as a concept, but I've had discussions with DC about this for years, and one of the things that they kept telling me was there wasn't anything they could tie "Chase" to in a prominent way in order to warrant doing the trade paperback. So inserting her into "Batwoman" was just something I wanted to do. It had very little to do with wanting a trade. But I think what happened was that DC started to see the value in doing a "Chase" trade with all the DEO stuff on their own without having any realization

about the kind of role Chase would play in "Batwoman." It was this serendipitous thing where both happened simultaneously.

So as we've said, there's this very strange world Batwoman exists in with weird, creepy stuff, and while Chase and the DEO can technically deal with anything, their series was always more of procedural. Is there a way that on a sheer conceptual/idea level these two worlds will clash in "Batwoman"?

Certainly. We're definitely going to be leading to some thing where the role of the DEO is going to be stepped up as the series progresses. We've got some interesting notions in terms of how we'll play the story arcs because we feel like even though we're dealing with the superhero genre and that it's a Batwoman comic in the DCU, we feel like each story arc can be its own genre. This arc is a particular genre as is the second and the third. But we're also setting up different pieces in each story that feed into the next and actually comment on a part of each story unto itself. It's a tricky balance figuring out all the subplot material and its relevance to each arc, though as each story carries through you'll see how the subplot material feeds through to set the stage for a grander whole. That's ultimately what we're after. By the time we get to the end of the third arc, you'll feel like we've done a full-on trilogy where all these pieces work together even though they are their own stories.

Does having Amy Reeder work on the art for the second arc aide in that revolving genre feel as well? Did you try and write the story to match her particular stylistic strengths?

Yes. But at the same time, I very much feel like one of the things I've had the luxury of in being an artist who's worked with some tremendous writers was being challenged by those writers. Certainly, they were interested in wanting to cater to things I was interested in, but at the same time, they challenged me to push myself and have to deal with stuff I might not necessarily think of on my own. That's something we're after too telling the story that fits within the framework of where we're going and can be exciting for Amy to draw, but at the same time challenge here and see if we can push the envelope on stuff. So far, she seems pretty excited by what we're giving her. What's fun too is that even though her arc will feed of the first one and then the third will feed off of hers once I return to the art table, her story will definitely feel like its own thing. That was one of the key things about playing with the different genres. In the end, each arc will have its own feel and you'll be able to say "Here's book one, book two and so forth."

"Batwoman" #1 is in stores now from DC Comics.

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Home Comics, Recent Updates, Top Stories The Mystery Redhead In Superboy #1, Revealed Submitted by Rich Johnston on September 12, 2011 2:00 pm (28) comments

In the preview to Superboy #1, we noticed a prominent red haired young woman, and the internet has been abuzz with her possible identity. Her name is Red in the comic, but thats not the name she was born with.

Some are convinced that this is actually Mgann Morzz/Megan Morse/Miss Martian.

Its not her.

Others have plumped for Lana Lang instead.

Its not her either.

Then theres Knockout, the flame haired ex of Superboy in a previous life.

Nope. No one has yet, however, suggested that the woman in question is Caitlin Fairchild, of the Wildstorm team Gen-13.

Which is a shame, because thats exactly who she is.

Bleeding Cool has learned from a flappy ex-Wildstorm staffer who couldnt keep his/her flappy overexcited mouth shut that this is exactly who she is. Another Wildstorm character ensconced in the new DC Universe.

For those not in the know, Caitlin Fairchild, or just Fairchild, was a genetically modified young lady, tall, tough and very strong indeed.This is how she appeared before her transformation back in Gen 13 #1

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Posts: 20 Registered: 7/8/03 Mystery Red Head in Superboy #1 Revealed Posted: Sep 12, 2011 12:42 PM Reply

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Turns out everyone guessed wrong.

Metal Woman

colonyofcells

Posts: 3,334 Registered: 7/28/08 Re: Mystery Red Head in Superboy #1 Revealed Posted: Sep 12, 2011 12:53 PM Reply in response to: metalwoman

The dcu certainly needs more genetic experiments to increase boob size. Hopefully, dc can start its own x-men franchise via gen13.

80sbaby

Posts: 1,978 Registered: 6/29/10 Re: Mystery Red Head in Superboy #1 Revealed Posted: Sep 12, 2011 1:10 PM in response to: metalwoman

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I like this idea.

Fairchild and Kon would work on a couple of levels.

jasonkent

Posts: 160 Registered: 3/12/04 Re: Mystery Red Head in Superboy #1 Revealed Posted: Sep 12, 2011 2:34 PM Reply in response to: metalwoman

I had actually guessed this awhile back. http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/web/thread.jspa? threadID=2000249923&tstart=30&start=15 It could very well be her, but the telepathy part confuses me. When I saw that I instantly thought M'gann, but it could interpreted as a new power that Superboy has now. Then again, its not the first time bleeding cool has gotten something wrong. If it Caitlin, I'm happy. If its M'gann, I'm happy.

coarselimely

Posts: 331 Registered: 8/27/07 Re: Mystery Red Head in Superboy #1 Revealed Posted: Sep 12, 2011 3:13 PM Reply in response to: metalwoman

I love Fairchild. If that's who it is, I will be extremely happy.

colonyofcells

Posts: 3,334 Registered: 7/28/08 Re: Mystery Red Head in Superboy #1 Revealed Posted: Sep 12, 2011 3:18 PM Reply in response to: coarselimely

Most of the early experiments in Wildstorm did have telepathy.

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Registered: 9/21/10 Re: Mystery Red Head in Superboy #1 Revealed Posted: Sep 12, 2011 6:58 PM Reply in response to: colonyofcells

she only had it with her sis. horrible news she will be the new cassie i want her running a team like gen 13 asap still DV8 would work well as nowhere agents

garlogan16

Posts: 2,239 Registered: 5/25/06 Re: Mystery Red Head in Superboy #1 Revealed Posted: Sep 12, 2011 7:28 PM Reply in response to: skaddix

Past incarnations of Fairchild have never been this blah I truly believe this is a facade because even though this is the DCnU.....to drastically alter her personality that much would be a slap in the face to the minuscule fan base she already has. Thats not minimizing her character potential but ya know sometimes you have to call a spade a spade.

coarselimely

Posts: 331 Registered: 8/27/07 Re: Mystery Red Head in Superboy #1 Revealed Posted: Sep 13, 2011 8:49 AM Reply in response to: garlogan16

Go back and read the original Gen 13 origin. Cat was meek and shy before she grew several inches and cup-sizes overnight. She only started taking charge when she discovered she could bench-press Buicks and shrug off bullets.

sdr

Posts: 284 Registered: 5/15/03 Re: Mystery Red Head in Superboy #1 Revealed Posted: Sep 13, 2011 9:01 AM Reply in response to: coarselimely

How old was Caitlyn in the Gen 13 book? Isn't she supposed to also be like 6"5 in her book? Isn't Superboy at best 5"7?

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Posts: 284 Registered: 5/15/03 Re: Mystery Red Head in Superboy #1 Revealed Posted: Sep 13, 2011 9:05 AM Reply in response to: sdr

That's decent that she would be in the book. I liked a lot of other genetically engineered kids I'd also like to see. Tekka was awesome, I grew to like the tiger king Tuftan, same as Damage, the werewolf girl called Hood, and Aqualad. I hope we see those kids again.

lanalang07

Posts: 938 Registered: 3/31/11 Re: Mystery Red Head in Superboy #1 Revealed Posted: Sep 13, 2011 12:45 PM Reply in response to: metalwoman

never heard of her...

the_archivist

Posts: 1,366 Registered: 12/31/07 Re: Mystery Red Head in Superboy #1 Revealed Posted: Sep 13, 2011 12:55 PM Reply in response to: metalwoman

DC, quit trying to force WildStorm characters on me. I'm not interested.

coarselimely

Posts: 331 Registered: 8/27/07 Re: Mystery Red Head in Superboy #1 Revealed Posted: Sep 13, 2011 1:27 PM Reply in response to: sdr

> How old was Caitlyn in the Gen 13 book? Isn't she > supposed to also be like 6"5 in her book? Isn't > Superboy at best 5"7?

Caitlin was short before her powers manifested. And I think she was 16 or 17 when the book started. She was in college, but had skipped some grades.

She probably doesn't have her powers yet in Superboy. They're genetic, but they were only brought out through training and outside stimuli, originally.

sdr

Posts: 284 Registered: 5/15/03 Re: Mystery Red Head in Superboy #1 Revealed Posted: Sep 13, 2011 10:04 PM Reply in response to: coarselimely

Sounds like she might become a new love interest. I will continue reading and see how I feel as the story continues.

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Posts: 3,334 Registered: 7/28/08 Re: Mystery Red Head in Superboy #1 Revealed Posted: Sep 13, 2011 11:27 PM Reply in response to: sdr

A gen13 title will probably spin off from Superboy later on.

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Posts: 2,239 Registered: 5/25/06 Re: Mystery Red Head in Superboy #1 Revealed Posted: Sep 14, 2011 12:00 AM Reply in response to: coarselimely

> Go back and read the original Gen 13 origin. Cat was > meek and shy before she grew several inches and > cup-sizes overnight. She only started taking charge > when she discovered she could bench-press Buicks and > shrug off bullets.

That's true coarselimely! I had totally forgotten about that!

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I wasn't originally planning on picking up Superboy, but now that I know Kat's in this book I can't say no!

I can't wait to see her going toe to toe with Superman while debating the value of classical and pop music.

Wagner Punch!!!!

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Mystery Red head in Superboy revealed

Im not sure if this should go in the Superman thread because the character is Wildstorm related. [URL="http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/09/12/the-mystery-redhead-in-superboy-1revealed/"]http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/09/12/the-mystery-redhead-in-superboy-1revealed/[/URL]

sethysquare

09-12-2011 12:14 PM

WOW. Biggest news of the week. I'm glad I have Superboy on my pull list

Personamanx

09-12-2011 12:20 PM

Did not see that one coming...

Power Torch

09-12-2011 12:21 PM

Thats cool I see it. I was just hoping it was miss martin cause I love her......

IronMagnus

09-12-2011 12:27 PM

[QUOTE=doordoor123;13799995]Im not sure if this should go in the Superman thread because the character is Wildstorm related. [URL="http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/09/12/the-mystery-redhead-in-superboy-1revealed/"]http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/09/12/the-mystery-redhead-in-superboy-1revealed/[/URL][/QUOTE]

First I was like :eek:

Then I was like :cool:

I love this idea. I love this character! :biggrin:

IronMagnus

09-12-2011 12:30 PM

[QUOTE]CV: Will we see any familiar faces in Superboy?

SL: Well I hate to frustrate you, honestly, but yes -- there are two very surprising familiar faces that are going to knock the readers on their butts. I even had to sneak them into the plot where I didn't name them because I knew DC's first reaction was going to be, "No way!" But after they read the first story and loved it... and then I told them, "You realize who those characters are, right?" they were "Oh. Wow. Cool. Didn't see that coming!"

That said, anyone who has read the solicits for SUPERBOY #3 knows at least one of those two characters!

So while I can't tell you without spoiling the reveal, I can tell you that Superboy's supporting cast is going to be made up new faces and some very familiar faces! (No, that doesn't mean Chloe or Simon. Great characters, one and all, just not appearing in SUPERBOY any time soon!)[/QUOTE]

From a Scott Lobdell interview over at Comic Vine

[url]http://www.comicvine.com/news/scott-lobdell-reveals-plans-for-superboy-teen-titansexclusive-art/143502/[/url]

OBrianTallent

09-12-2011 12:37 PM

This will probably see the beginning of that group. I am curious to see where that leads to...

Skaddix

09-12-2011 12:48 PM

romance equals character destruction being linked to connor has never been a positive see cassie that said DV8 would work well as nowhere agents. i hope she is still gen active

AdamYJ

09-12-2011 12:54 PM

[QUOTE=Skaddix;13800202]romance equals character destruction being linked to connor has never been a positive see cassie that said DV8 would work well as nowhere agents. i hope she is still gen active[/QUOTE]

It was fine for Cassie in Young Justice. It's the Teen Titans writers who turned it into a problem.

FIFTY-TWO (52)

09-12-2011 12:55 PM

In the back of my head I knew that Caitlin Fairchild would most certainly have to show up somewhere in the Young Justice books. She's one of the most popular Wildstorm characters. There's no way she was gonna get lost in the shuffle.

FIFTY-TWO (52)

09-12-2011 12:57 PM

[QUOTE=Skaddix;13800202]romance equals character destruction being linked to connor has never been a positive see cassie that said DV8 would work well as nowhere agents. i hope she is still gen active[/QUOTE]

It was Geoff Johns and subsequent writers who ruined Cassie. I hope Lobdell can avoid those writing temptations and traps.

S_Rhoades

09-12-2011 12:59 PM

This is awesome, really stoked to see Wildstorm characters pop up all over the universe, especially this one.

protonik

09-12-2011 01:10 PM

I forgot how bad Campbell's work was on that initial mini-series... was why I never got into Gen 13 because I thought that the art would be just as atrocious.

kaykordeath

09-12-2011 01:15 PM

I have no idea who this character is.

But much like most of the reboot, I'm letting the community's apparent pleasure at this booster my interest. If it gets people intrigued, and excited, I say bring it on. I was already planning on picking up Superboy, but an new (to me) interesting character is all the more reason.

Kevinroc 09-12-2011 01:18 PM

Gen 13 as part of Wave 2? Maybe? Using Fairchild as a supporting character in Superboy (at least initially) seems to suggest something.

RustyShackleford

09-12-2011 01:31 PM

So that's Rose Wilson and Caitlin Fairchild in Superboy? Wow, the book will have a good supporting cast, potentially. Outside of the panels where she was contorted into T&A shots, Caitlin was a good character back in the day.

IronMagnus

09-12-2011 01:46 PM

I actually hope they keep her a normal, non-powered brainy girl for a good while. There's no rush to power her up.

morgoth 09-12-2011 02:23 PM

That Gen 13 art looks horrible, like the peoples faces are in fun house mirrors.

Skaddix

09-12-2011 02:27 PM

[QUOTE=IronMagnus;13800535]I actually hope they keep her a normal, non-powered brainy girl for a good while. There's no rush to power her up.[/QUOTE]

what exact opposite. i want her powered by the time sb joins the titans at latest

TJKernan 09-12-2011 02:35 PM

This is great news, now, if they can get Sarah Rainmaker into a series somewhere soon...

HalWho

09-12-2011 03:00 PM

[QUOTE=IronMagnus;13800073]First I was like :eek:

Then I was like :cool:

I love this idea. I love this character! :biggrin:[/QUOTE]

Hah, that made me laugh :tongue:

Free-Man 09-12-2011 03:14 PM

Must admit, I did not see that coming at all!:eek:

Froggy

09-12-2011 03:21 PM

This is kinda cool

as a gen13 fan i hope they show up soon

CMBMOOL

09-12-2011 03:25 PM

I will believe the news when I see it for myself, and if it is true, then I never would have guessed that DC would try something like this in their DCnU.:redface:

Free-Man 09-12-2011 03:27 PM

Didn't he Gen 13 kids get their powers from a corrupt organization...like the one that has Superboy and is supposedly kidnapping other teen superheroes?

Oni Squirrel

09-12-2011 03:31 PM

Okay don't really know Fairchild's power-set, but the wiki on it didn't mention telepathy so what's that say about the SB preview now?

Also I'm very impressed w/ how effectively DC is merging Wildstorm characters into the DCU.

BohemiaDrinker

09-12-2011 03:44 PM

[QUOTE=Free-Man;13801192]Didn't he Gen 13 kids get their powers from a corrupt organization...like the one that has Superboy and is supposedly kidnapping other teen superheroes?[/QUOTE]

Not exactly. You`re thinking of [B]International Operations[/B] or IO, that gathered, imprisoned and trained them. But the actual source of their powers was their biological parents (members of Team 7) if I remember correctly.

IronMagnus

09-12-2011 03:53 PM

[QUOTE=Oni Squirrel;13801210]Okay don't really know Fairchild's power-set, but the wiki on it didn't mention telepathy so what's that say about the SB preview now? [/QUOTE]

I believe Fairchild did have some sort of psychic link with her teammate Freefall. But she wasn't a full-on telepath.

The Imakandi

09-12-2011 03:54 PM

[QUOTE=Skaddix;13800202] DV8 would work well [/QUOTE]

Would love to see DV8 become part of the mix here.

drakeon

09-12-2011 03:56 PM

I always loved Gen13 and Wildcats but never got around to collecting any of their books. I loved the Wildcats cartoon and all the character designs. I tried Gen13 once but it was Claremonts series...ugh. So this is exciting to me. With the DCnU I can go ahead and start with them literally from scratch with Grifter, Voodoo, and Superboy. Awesome!

Kevinroc 09-12-2011 05:13 PM

[QUOTE=IronMagnus;13801344]I believe Fairchild did have some sort of psychic link with her teammate Freefall. But she wasn't a full-on telepath.[/QUOTE]

Freefall was Fairchild's sister. (Half-sister.)

drakeon

09-12-2011 06:27 PM

Now we just need to find Grunge, Rainmaker, Zealot, Warblade, Maul, Void, Spartan, etc...

Skaddix

09-12-2011 06:31 PM

[QUOTE=drakeon;13802188]Now we just need to find Grunge, Rainmaker, Zealot, Warblade, Maul, Void, Spartan, etc...[/QUOTE]

king winter fuji basically a lot

nj06

09-12-2011 06:41 PM

I'm glad that the red-headed girl turned out not to be Ms. Martian. I don't like the

Superboy/Ms. Martian pairing on the Young Justice cartoon and I wouldn't like it in the comics either. Having it be Fairchild will allow for more storylines to be written and characters to be involved.

[QUOTE=Oni Squirrel;13801210]Also I'm very impressed w/ how effectively DC is merging Wildstorm characters into the DCU.[/QUOTE]

I wish DC was doing the same with the Milestone characters :frown:

krammocon

09-12-2011 07:38 PM

Always am a Gen13 and DV8 fan! I hope they'll have their own book soon! With a great creative team this will work out!

mosdef

09-12-2011 07:50 PM

Can someone tell me why this is a big deal? I've never read Gen 13 and have no-idea who this is.

neogod557

09-12-2011 08:18 PM

[QUOTE=drakeon;13801364]I always loved Gen13 and Wildcats but never got around to collecting any of their books. I loved the Wildcats cartoon and all the character designs. I tried Gen13 once but it was Claremonts series...ugh. So this is exciting to me. With the DCnU I can go ahead and start with them literally from scratch with Grifter, Voodoo, and Superboy. Awesome![/QUOTE]

I'm in the same boat. I've always been really interested in Wildcats and Gen-Active, but my only exposure is the cartoon. I love the idea of Superboy being a part of a new Wildcats/Gen13 the way Martian Manhunter is in Stormwatch now. It just fits his character so well.

sethysquare

09-12-2011 08:33 PM

[QUOTE=mosdef;13802679]Can someone tell me why this is a big deal? I've never read Gen 13 and have no-idea who this is.[/QUOTE]

Go wiki it. But the fact that theres going to be so many potential awesome and diverse powered supporting cast in Superboy makes me not regret putting it on my pull list. I remember the previous superboy I read it was.... kinda lame. I didnt really like the whole deal with Lex's niece and the weird guy that came from the 25th century. Adventure comics was so much better than Superboy was. This time round, I really trust Lobdell to make it amazing

DarkKnghtJared

09-12-2011 09:04 PM

I dunno, I think considering the last page of the preview, I think it's far more likely that it's Miss Martian.

[IMG]http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/preview/6680562i9756/prv975 6_pg4.jpg[/IMG]

Red hair, possibly green skin (I know it's being filtered through whatever goo Superboy's in, but still, I think it's a hint), telling him to fight [B]through her thoughts[/B]...unless they're making Caitlin into a telepath, I just don't see it.

drakeon

09-12-2011 09:21 PM

I took that scene as Superboy picking up on her thoughts, not her directly communicating with him...

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The Titans Graphic Novel: Games

The Titans Graphic Novel: Games The Story Behind The Unpublished Titans Graphic Novel

GAMES: The Premise

Unpublished artwork from the GAMES graphic novel. Published in the George Prez Newsletter #1 [2001].

[from Comics Scene Magazine #8, 1989 - an article with George Prez and Marv Wolfman]

And as for Cyborg, the gadget-ridden gladiator will become one of the most valuable players in a series of Games in which the Titans will have little choice about participating. Ironically, it was discussing the strategies they would use in this project, a graphic novel

not due to reach store shelves for at least another year, that proved to be what drew artist George Prez back to the series he helped develop.

"It's hard to explain the graphic novel. It's one of the strongest superhero stories we've ever done, but it also goes from humor to science fiction to horror to so many subjects, it's unbelievable. It's really impossible to describe," stresses Wolfman, outside of the fact that Prez will paint it himself. "It was the first time we got back together after a while, and it was like all the energy we had had previously was in that meeting. I had a rough idea, but when we sat down together, it just kept growing. It's everything we ever wanted to do with the Titans. I'm not sure how long it's going to be, but George rough laid it out at 120 pages. When we were finished with it, we were absolutely exhausted, and I think working on that is what prompted George to do the book itself because we found the chemistry is still there."

The individual elements, however, are no longer mixed together in quite the same proportions. When Wolfman and Prez began their partnership, the writer preferred to do all the plotting himself, but upon discovering what "a phenomenal character person George is," the pair began to more evenly share that chore for the remainder of their run.

GAMES: Juggling Schedules

[from Comics Scene Magazine #11, 1990 - an article with George Prez]

Unpublished artwork from the GAMES graphic novel. Published in the George Prez Newsletter #1 [2001].

Prez is now co-plotting The New Titans, plotting Wonder Woman and doing layouts for Action Comics. However, comics fandom hasn't seen the last of full Prez pencil art. He has a major work due out sometime in 1990: the long-awaited Titans graphic novel, Games.

"I'm working on it right now. I'm trying to produce four pages a week so I'll be done by the end of January," Prez reports. "They're being inked by Karl Kesel and colored by John Stracuzzi. There's no firm release date. There have been so many that have come and

gone that I want to play this a little closer to the vest. That's my fault, nobody else's. By producing on a four-pages-a-week schedule, I'm not forcing somebody else to do their part in a hurry. Karl's not going to get 120 pages to ink all at once: 'You have two weeks!' " he laughs.

GAMES: Still Planning

[From Comic Scene #24, February 1991 - an article with Marv Wolfman]

Games, the long-anticipated Titans graphic novel, will still happen. Wolfman promises it will be worth the long wait.

"It's about 120 pages, and George Prez has drawn 80 pages of it," he says. "When be finishes it, I will dialogue it, and I sure hope it's soon! It's going to be a flashback now; after George is done, he's going back to add a beginning and ending section with the new characters, because it's not the same group now. It'll be the only time that George has done the new characters, and it'll also be the last time we'll see the old ones. It's a great story. I can't wait-the first 80 pages are gorgeous! It's some of the best work George has ever done."

GAMES: What Delayed It?

[from George Prez Newsletter #1, 2001]

Tony: I know there was a lot made of the JLA/Avengers fiasco, but there was little made of the Titans graphic novel. From what I've read, you drew nearly 100 pages.

George: A little less than that. I think I drew up until the 70's. A lot of the publicity that didn't exist for that was because it wasn't as political. In case of the JLA/Avengers it was two companies going into loggerhead. In case of the Titans graphic novel it was George Prez over-committed and couldn't finish the thing. While I was drawing the story a lot of things were happening in the regular series making the story moot. I'm the only person to blame for that book not coming out. No political hay could be made about that story, just one artist screwing up. I just over-committed myself.

[from DC Message Boards]

DC Editor Bob Greenberger: "GAMES was intended as a 96+ page graphic novel that George never finished. He partly never finished it because the story was never to everyone's satisfaction, if I recall. Once the project was shelved, many of the story elements were taken from the GN and used in the monthly. So, when the issue of finishing the book came up at some point, we realized how poorly it would compare with the stories done to date and it was decided by TPTB to keep it shelved. "

Prez says GAMES is dead

[from George Prez Newsletter #2, 2001]

Tony: ...Now all we need is the never finished "GAMES" graphic novel to be completed. I can dream right?

George Prez: And I'm afraid that now that GAMES dream is never going to be more than that. In addition to the presence of dead chracters like Jericho appearing, a major scene in the story took place on the World Trade Center towers. That pretty much ends the speculation for me.

Marv on Reviving GAMES

Unpublished artwork from the GAMES graphic novel. Published in the George Prez Newsletter #1 [2001].

[from silverbulletcomicbooks.com - posted november 17, 2002]

From Peter Milan, (further@further-adventures.com)

Lemme get this straight...there's 80 pages of a Wolfman & Prez graphic novel just lying around somewhere, and DC isn't interested in publishing it? That sounds like quite the easy sell.

Yeah, Peter, you'd think. It's called Games, and George had drawn approximately 80 pages of its 120 or so pages. I always felt we could get someone else to finish it up. I still do.

[from silverbulletcomicbooks.com - posted february 16, 2003]

As for "Games," the graphic novel George and I began way back when. George drew about 80 pages of the best Titans work he ever did before going into artist's block on the Titans. I kept trying to convince DC to let another artist finish the last 30 pages, but for reasons that have never made sense to me they have always refused to do so. Every so often I bring it up again and the answer is still no. Why? I can't imagine. There are 80 pages done. I'd have to dialogue the job and much of it would need to be inked, but I think even if it now had to be an Elseworlds book - or at least a Hypertime story - that people would flock to buy a hardcover Prez/Wolfman Titans book. What do you think?

[from cinescape.com - "Titans Lost and Genes Found" Dateline: Saturday, July 21, 2001]

During the course of a one-on-one panel (a concept that left both creators a bit stymied as to how to proceed), Wein and Wolfman discussed their beginnings as teenagers breaking into the comic book business and the path that led them through both major publishers (at that time) and even into the frontiers of television animation. Wolfman also elaborated on the never completed TITANS graphic novel written by Wolfman and illustrated by George Prez, a project that - like many in the industry - faded into the background and still lingers in the minds of fans and creators alike.

"George drew 80 pages of [an 120 page story] and hit an artist's block," said Wolfman. "He literally could not draw another picture of the Titans. Having been in a writer's block, I totally understand. He just hit a wall on it. I said, 'Let's get so and so to finish it up.' For reasons that have escaped me for fifteen years, DC just decided to write it off. I would

love to finish it. It was the best Titans story we had ever come up with." Although that project may be doomed to never see the light of day, for Wein and Wolfman, the future looks particularly bright. After decades of creating highly regarded comics, they have sold their very first feature film, and the convention attendees were some of the first to hear about their new take on superhero movies.

GAMES: Behind the Story with George Prez

[Courtesy of Modern Masters Volume two: George Prez, TwoMorrows Publishing 2003]

Unpublished artwork from the GAMES graphic novel. Published in the George Prez Newsletter #1 [2001].

Realizing that the Titans graphic novel storyline really did have a time limit wherein it would remain valid, they said, "Let's use it for #50." Rather than waiting until I could finish it while working on Wonder Woman, we spread it out into a multi-issue story arc. DC still wanted a graphic novel-I was paid in advance for a graphic novel-so it meant starting one all over again. By this point Barbara Randall- who became Barbara Kesel, who is now my writer on Solus - Marv Wolfman, and I decided it would be best to come up with a story that wouldn't be tied directly into continuity. So we came up with the idea of Games, which was a big cat-&-mouse game involving King Faraday, an obscure character from DC's history [originally appearing in Danger Trail #1-5, 1950-51], and using different types of games as motifs with New York as a giant game board.

For example, we had Raven in the Cloisters in a dilemna with floating statuaries, like a gigantic chess game. The brickwork on the floor of the cloisters was in a grid like a chessboard. Jericho was caught in a type of card game where the cards all represented works of art and his field of battle is the Gugenheim Museum.

There was a lot of research that went into it. There was also a scene that took place on top of the World Trade Center. And since the World Trade Center was endangered, you can see why I have real mixed feelings about ever having that book printed now.

Although Marv and I have talked about the idea that the World Trade Center could be erased and redrawn as another building, there's just something that bugs me about the idea of erasing the World Trade Center from my artwork.

It ended up being a very complex story I was the initial plotter-Mary was my co-plotter in this case-I was coming up with the ideas, the visuals, how things were set up, and the conclusion of the story. It kept growing and growing and as I was drawing it I was also trying to work on a regular monthly series. I take blame for the book not being completed, but DC has to take some of the blame because they were the constant serpent in the garden tempting me all the time, offering me all these great other little jobs until it got in the way of my finishing the book. [laughter] I was getting a lot of great assignments. I was the golden boy of DC Comics, but I was also stupid enough not to know when to say no. Many times the editors offering me the work bad no idea where I was in my regular work, so they were assuming that "yes, I want to do it" meant "yes, I am able to do it." I made a lot of stupid decisions like that until Games became late, late, late. I was paid, paid, paid, but nothing was being given.

Eventually, since I was no longer doing the Titans series by the time I was only half-way through Games, things were changing that threatened the impact of the story. The killing of Jericho in the regular series made any threat to Jericho in the graphic novel pretty much a non-issue. To my mind it started becoming an empty story. There was no sense of real danger any more.

What started out as a proposed 64-page story ended up becoming a 100-and-somethingpage story-I think it was 120 pages by the end of the plotting, of which I drew nearly 80. I was starting to lose focus and it was at the start of a really bad time in my career where I was becoming the king of the incomplete projects.

With what happened with Games and later War of the Gods, I was becoming known for unfinished projects and being unreliable in meeting a deadline. It would be a few years before I could recover from that professionally. The sheer irony is that during the worst part of my professional career as far as books being late or unfinished it was also the most profitable time of my career! [laughter] I earned more money during that time, but I did not have any real satisfaction during those years.

Never Say Never: GAMES is a Go!

[courtesy of http://www.comicon.com/pulse/ "WOLFMAN & TITAN GAMES BY JENNIFER M.

CONTINO" Summer 2004]

You asked for it, DC Comics heard and is finally delivering a project years in the works, Marv Wolfman and George Prezs unfinished New Teen Titans graphic novel, Games. Announced at Wizard World Texas, Games is a story Titans enthusiasts have been clamoring for. Prez told THE PULSE, Marv Wolfman and I will finally be finishing the other major aborted project that fans have been asking about for years. I learned that all the original artwork (about 60 or more pages) is owned by one man and he is more than willing to give them back to me so I can ink the pencilled pages and tweak those already inked. This gives me a major head start for a planned December 2004 release. Tom Smith will join the party as color artist. We caught up with Marv Wolfman for a quick few questions about the project.

THE PULSE: Is it still called New Teen Titans: Games or does it have a new name? If it has a new name, what is it? How many pages is it? What is the projected release date?

MARV WOLFMAN: Wow. A lot of questions disguised as one. I have no idea at this stage if it will be called The New Teen Titans or not. That would harken back to our original title so it would be good, but that's DC's decision. When it comes time to name it I'd probably enter in a vote for NTT, but we'll see. Our plan is to do it as 120 pages, as it was originally intended, but if, as he draws out the last pages, George needs more or less, I'm sure the book will adjust accordingly. I believe the release date is next winter.

THE PULSE: Most people have heard bits and pieces about this unfinished graphic novel. What happened originally that caused the delay in finishing the art on Games?

WOLFMAN: As George said at the time, after he drew 70 or so pages he found he just couldn't draw another Titans page. It blocked on him even as I was going through a writing block. For his own sake, George had to go onto other projects. It's the same as me doing primarily non-super hero stuff after I wrote Crisis. That burned me out for superhero stories.

THE PULSE: What is New Teen Titans: Games? When does it take place in terms of the [then] Titans history?

WOLFMAN: Games is a pretty much stand alone story, intended for 1986 or 89 (I don't

remember which now) that used the characters that George and I created plus Danny Chase, the Titans fans favorite whipping boy.

THE PULSE: Who are the New Teen Titans in this story?

WOLFMAN: All the regulars: Nightwing, Starfire, Troia, Raven, Cyborg, Changeling, Jericho and Danny plus some of the more popular secondary characters.

THE PULSE: Was this drawn from the original script or did you rewrite/update anything? What about the art - is it all the originals and just the additional pages or was some of that redone?

WOLFMAN: Originally I thought George had drawn 80+ pages because I had seen pages numbered 80, but it turns out that he had only drawn 70+ pages and had skipped a few pages here and there. Obviously, George will go about finishing the pages so here will be the original 70+ pages and new ones drawn in '04. Knowing it would take George a few months to do the 120 pages, I never dialogued any of them back then because I wanted one constant voice throughout not interrupted by other writing or changes in mood. So, when he finishes all 120 pages I'll sit down and start dialoguing them. As of right now there are no plans to redraw any of the original pages, but that might change as George gets into it. That is wholly up to him.

THE PULSE: What's the story about? Why call it Games?

WOLFMAN: That would be telling.

THE PULSE: How does it feel to finally have this project see print?

WOLFMAN: I won't say until after it's actually done, printed and on sale because after 15 or so years of trying to get this job finished I still can't believe it will ever get out there. But, needless to say, I am elated that we are going to be working on it. George and I both thought at the time that it was one of, if not the best Titans storylines we'd come up with. I just hope we weren't fooling ourselves. For more personal reminiscences about "Titans: Games," go to my website beginning Monday, Nov. 24th.

GAMES: Update

I spoke to George Prez at the 2004 Dan Diego ComiCon. So what's up with GAMES? George believes it should be hitting stands in the last quarter of 2005, just in time for its 15th anniversary. Sixty-some pages are pencilled and inked from those years ago. Some pages are pencilled but not inked. And there are 40-plus pages that need to be pencilled from scratch. Al Vey inked the original 60 pages, but a different inker will be used for the remainder; Al Vey's inking style has changed too much in the last 15 years. [Update: the new inker is Mike Perkins for the remaining pages]

I asked if the story itself would be changed at all with whatever continuity glitches that may have arisen. George mentioned that the story itself will be pretty much as-is. Even the World Trade Center sequence will remain, since it had already been completed. I asked about a particular plot point that drastically effects one of the Titans supporting characters [some of you will know what I speak of].... that will also remain in the story. "It was too important to the story to leave out," George said.

I also asked George if he had to change his artwork much to match his 'old' style. He said that his style hasn't changed as much as he thought in the last 15 years... so it wasn't much of a problem.

George also talked a bit about the new framing sequence, which will be in a 'contemporary' setting. "Will it be the Geoff Johns team?" I asked. George only said it would be 'contemporary'. Hmmm... The brand-new framing sequence will be 6 pages.

GAMES: Gone Again

From George himself on February 20, 2006: " Well, it's time for an all-too-infrequent update on what's going on at the International House of Prez. I've read quite a number of posts on various message boards asking such things as"When will George be starting on THE BRAVE & THE BOLD?", "Will GAMES: THE TITANS GRAPHIC NOVEL ever come out?", "Is he working on the DC character turn-arounds for DC's official bible?" "Will that art be made available to the buying public?"

"[...] The official status of GAMES is a bit more tricky. With all the post-IC work I have

lined up, I don't see how I will have the time to get back on the graphic novel. Quite honestly, and honesty can be quite brutal, I wouldn't hold my breath on it ever being released. I know that my wonderful friend and co-creator Marv Wolfman is still guardedly optimistic on the resurrection of this project (a lot of that positive thinking having been fueled by me two years ago when I stated my intent to complete the art), but my subsequent exclusive contract with DC has prompted the company to utilize my talents on more current projects aimed at forming DC's future rather than just basking in the nostalgia of its past. The completed art in GAMES is over 15 years old, although it does hold up pretty damn well, in my opinion. I guess it could conceivably be restarted yet again, but it seems to become more unlikely with each new DC assignment in each passing new year. For that, I am sincerely sorry-- For Marv, for inker Mike Perkins who signed a Marvel exclusive since inking ten of the un-inked pages, for Al Vey, who had inked the earlier pages over a decade ago, for color artist Tom Smith, for the fans who have waited so long and whose hopes may be dashed yet again-- and, finally, for me. It would have been nice to put closure to the project. Oh, and for those who suggested that some other artist or artists finish the project, I suggested the same thing years ago. Unfortunately, DC only wanted this as a Wolfman/Prez Titans story; so, without me, it's not getting done. An unfortunate Catch-22, I'm afraid. Still, there is always that small glimmer of hope. After all, what if I'm done with all my IC stuff and there's still no B & B work ready? You never know."

George on the Titans Graphic Novel, GAMES on May 22, 2006: "There are still 50something pages to be drawn. It's an enormous story. And as much as it's something I want to do, it's on indefinite hold. And I know they hate me saying it -- and Marv hates it even worse -- but I can't see it ever getting finished. With all the work that I'm being given by DC, there's no way I can fit the Titans graphic novel into my schedule. So it's on indefinite hold, and I can't see a day when that's ever going to be removed. [...] Where are they going to schedule it on my schedule if I'm going to be doing monthly titles and filling up whatever free time I have on other projects? I think it's flattering -- the book was a go when I wasn't exclusive. Once I was exclusive, they want me to do so many things. When I wasn't exclusive, they thought the Titans graphic novel was the only thing they could get from me for awhile. Signing the exclusivity seems have to killed the Titans graphic novel."

Let The GAMES Begin... Again?

From Bleeding Cool, posted August 13, 2009: "It's long been hoped that the previouslyunpublished-and-once-thought-abandoned Teen Titans: Games graphic novel by Marv Wolfman and George Perez would be completed and published for next year. Because 2010 would be the 30th anniversary of the New Teen Titans comic by Wolfman and Perez.

Initially plotted by Marv Wolfman, with a number of pages drawn by George Perez and Al Vey in the late eighties, there have been a number of attempts to revive and complete the project. But George Perez appears to have been talking the possibility up at Chicago Comic Con. So how would this be achieved?

Perez has drawn at least seventy of the hundred-and-twenty planned pages (a number of which reprinted below), many of which were inked by Al Vey. I understand that Mike Perkins has been recruited to ink the uninked pages and to ink new pages that Perez is working on.

The graphic novel has not been scripted yet, and Marv would probably need a good couple of months on completion. Perez also talks at Chicago about created a new framing sequence to put the book in context.

This is not a definite scheduling, to be sure. But with Perez is working on pages right now, Wolfman happy to return to the project and Perkins on board, there's certainly a better chance of the book seeing publication now, than for quite some time..."

GAMES: The Ultra-rare Ashcan

From Andy Mangel's "Prez Archives"

NEW TEEN TITANS: GAMES ASHCAN 2001 Publication is 80 pages, plus covers Self-published by a fan, printed by color photocopy. Features entire 71 pages of art for unpublished graphic novel, pencilled by Prez, with first 30 pages inked by Prez and Al Vey Also includes 8-page plot by Prez, based on the mutal plot with Marv Wolfman. Limited to 15 copies for creative team and select audience only. GAMES Unpublished Pages from Vu's George Prez Website to view as larger image, click on each page

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More Wildstorm in the DCU: Superboy (Spoilers) CBN :: News :: Comic News Share 3 Posted by: Matt McGloin, Editor/Publisher September 12, 2011 17:05

If you saw the preview for Superboy #1, and thought the the red-head with the roundrimmed glasses looked familiar - turns out you were right!

Bleeding Cool has it on good word from a disgruntled(?) ex-Wildstorm employee that this is none other than Fairchild from Gen 13!

In the WildStorm U., Caitlin Fairchild had the ability to augment her size and strength exponentially, in addition to invulnerability, leading her to become one of the most powerful! She even had the ability to absorb the powers of others.

It is unknown how much Superboy writer, Scott Lobdell will retain from the WU, but Fairchild would certainly make a great ally for Superboy - or opponent!

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Bleeding Cool has learned from a flappy ex-Wildstorm staffer who couldnt keep his/her flappy overexcited mouth shut that this is exactly who she is. Another Wildstorm character ensconced in the new DC Universe. For those not in the know, Caitlin Fairchild, or just Fairchild, was a genetically modified young lady, tall, tough and very strong indeed.This is how she appeared before her transformation back in Gen 13 #1...

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BRONX - 9/12/2011, 6:29 PM

Login to report abuse ? Drykillogic22 - 9/12/2011, 6:31 PM

Login to report abuse Nice..Always did like Fairchild. dellamorte1872 - 9/12/2011, 6:31 PM Login to report abuse GEN 13 eh? was never a fan... marvel72 - 9/12/2011, 6:33 PM Login to report abuse gen 13 was one of the hottest comics of the 90s. CloneKev - 9/12/2011, 6:33 PM Login to report abuse Funny how Marvel did the same thing in Heroes Rebourne with Nomad. But I Like Her. Gen13? SteveRogersSon - 9/12/2011, 6:33 PM Login to report abuse She's got legs...she knows how to use them! MaddMonkk - 9/12/2011, 6:34 PM Login to report abuse Grifter and Fairchild might make in the DCU. Lynch would be pretty cool too. SteveRogersSon - 9/12/2011, 6:34 PM Login to report abuse http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gen_13 Drykillogic22 - 9/12/2011, 6:34 PM

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For obvious reasons..hehe

SteveRogersSon - 9/12/2011, 6:34 PM Login to report abuse Now all we need is Danger Girls and then you'd be set MrEko - 9/12/2011, 6:49 PM Login to report abuse @Marvel72, WORD!!!! I grew up on wildstorm and milestone comics. They were the sh*t.

Does this mean Gen12/13 and the deviants are also in this universe. I hope the writers have Fairchild duke it out with Supergirl, now that would be a battle. grif - 9/12/2011, 6:51 PM Login to report abuse that gen 13 art is dog shit. look at those eyes! SKOne - 9/12/2011, 6:53 PM Login to report abuse I'm pretty excited some characters that are new to me are going be moved into the DC Universe. I already ordered the Grifter comic and can't wait to read it. NoRegrets - 9/12/2011, 8:07 PM Login to report abuse Nice! Wasn't expecting her to make the cut. But I'm more interested in how DC treats the concept of century babies. longbowhunter - 9/12/2011, 8:15 PM Login to report abuse Read alot of Gen 13 back in the 90's. thewolfx - 9/12/2011, 8:30 PM

Login to report abuse w,e happend to wildcats? Intruder - 9/12/2011, 9:54 PM

Login to report abuse J. Scott Campbell drew the finest comic bitches ever.. Next to Turner. CaptainDusty - 9/12/2011, 9:54 PM Login to report abuse Holy shit, haven't even thought of Fairchild in years.

I loved Gen 13!!! FlixMentallo21 - 9/12/2011, 10:28 PM Login to report abuse Hmmmm....ver-y interesting... Osiris - 9/13/2011, 12:18 AM Login to report abuse Love it! now bring on Roxy an Grunge, I miss the good ol' days of J Scott Campbells run on Gen 13, after he left that comic really took a FreeFall. (see what I did there?) TheQuestion0 - 9/13/2011, 2:33 AM Login to report abuse Does it matter to anyone else but me? I think so.

I need to get into this 'Wildcat' business and it's interesting. Hellsing - 9/13/2011, 3:16 AM Login to report abuse Well Grifters already part of the universe so it isn't surprising Wildstorm characters are popping up. Wonder who we'll see next. JackBauer - 9/13/2011, 5:56 AM Login to report abuse Where did her boobs go? :) JackBauer - 9/13/2011, 6:06 AM Login to report abuse

Wildstorm comics were the shiznit!

Wildcats, Gen13 & Divine Right were my favorites. Dedpool - 9/13/2011, 6:37 AM Login to report abuse Fairchild and Gen13 should be the government sponsored teen hero team being manipulated. kriswone - 9/13/2011, 6:37 AM Login to report abuse So Back in the 1994, Fairchild was a sophomore in college, so in 2011, she is going to school for what? her third Doctorate?

Gen13 was amazing, Wildstorm had some great characters Killrazor was the best. StrikeForce has B.A.

"Caitlin was affected by her gen-factor causing her mass to increase and her muscle density to grow exponentially. (A letter column described her height as 6'5) This gives her incredible strength and durability as well as increased stamina and agility. She has confronted and been able to hold her own against some of the strongest heroes and villains in the Wildstorm universe." NoRegrets - 9/13/2011, 9:25 AM Login to report abuse since she's showing up in Superboy #1 where he's still a test tube baby, I'd assume this story takes place while she was in college, about 5 years ago comic book time. It will be cool if her origin is tied into Superboy's. CaptainDusty - 9/13/2011, 10:24 AM Login to report abuse Aside from drawing the sexiest women ever, Campbell also draws the best Spider-Man ever, in my opinion.

Well, maybe him and Todd McFarlane are tied when it comes to drawing Spidey. dnno1 - 9/13/2011, 2:16 PM

Login to report abuse Yep, I can see her joining Birds of Prey, then the Titans, then see her in a fight with Grace Choi, Big Barda, Wonder Woman, Power Girl...

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Comic Book Resources Forums (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/index.php) - DC Universe (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/forumdisplay.php?f=6) - - First Look At DCnU Rose Wilson (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=381940) Free-Man 08-25-2011 11:46 AM

First Look At DCnU Rose Wilson

Via comicvine: [IMG]http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/40/1979284sboy_02___inks___pg_17.jpeg[/IMG] [url]http://www.comicvine.com/news/scott-lobdell-reveals-plans-for-superboy-teen-titansexclusive-art/143502/[/url]

Personamanx

08-25-2011 11:48 AM

Okay, still seems like Rose to me. That's a decent sign eh?

philioteria21

08-25-2011 11:48 AM

Hm. She has two eyes. I don't know if I like that.

shingi70 08-25-2011 11:49 AM

[b]its a sharrrrrrrrk!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/b]

Desaad

08-25-2011 11:51 AM

Wait, what book is Clayton Henry drawing for DC? Because that is Clayton Henry art.

The inclusion of King Shark implies Suicide Squad?

Yttrium

08-25-2011 11:53 AM

[QUOTE=Desaad;13701791]The inclusion of King Shark implies Suicide Squad?[/QUOTE]

I doubt that's supposed to be King Shark, since he's becoming a hammerhead in Suicide Squad.

Desaad

08-25-2011 11:56 AM

[QUOTE=Yttrium;13701801]I doubt that's supposed to be King Shark, since he's becoming a hammerhead in Suicide Squad.[/QUOTE]

Damn, you're right and I was mistaken.

That isn't Clayton Henry, it's RB Silva, and the book is Superboy.

Blech, sorry urrbody!

Ebon

08-25-2011 11:56 AM

Looks like one of the Gordarian slavers, or one of the associated races.

gwangung

08-25-2011 12:03 PM

[QUOTE=philioteria21;13701777]Hm. She has two eyes. I don't know if I like that. [/QUOTE]

I don;t have a problem with that. Really stupid how she had just the one in the first place.

sethysquare

08-25-2011 12:04 PM

[QUOTE=philioteria21;13701777]Hm. She has two eyes. I don't know if I like that. [/QUOTE]

Thats Nice.

On a sidenote, have anyone felt like the art so far for superboy have been less than

satisfactory? Comparing to redhood and teen titans, this seems like a far cry

Munkiman

08-25-2011 12:07 PM

[QUOTE=philioteria21;13701777]Hm. She has two eyes. I don't know if I like that. [/QUOTE]

She still has time to lose one, maybe in this very issue. And in grand Johnsian tradition, it'll be the [I]other[/I] eye.

Jody Garland

08-25-2011 12:08 PM

I think it's the thing that was on the cover to [url=http://dccomics.com/media/product/2/0/20450_400x600.jpg]Superboy #2[/url]. I'm pretty sure they said Rose would be in Superboy too.

Yttrium

08-25-2011 12:14 PM

[QUOTE=sethysquare;13701869]On a sidenote, have anyone felt like the art so far for superboy have been less than satisfactory? Comparing to redhood and teen titans, this seems like a far cry[/QUOTE]

Just the opposite. Now that I've seen some of the interior art, I'm much more interested in getting Superboy. All I had to go on before was the cover art, which I didn't like at all. Although I haven't seen the color version yet, I like this art better than the Red Hood art (and I won't be getting the Red Hood comic).

Personamanx

08-25-2011 12:16 PM

[QUOTE=sethysquare;13701869]On a sidenote, have anyone felt like the art so far for superboy have been less than satisfactory? Comparing to redhood and teen titans, this seems like a far cry[/QUOTE]

Eh, Red Hood looks better than Superboy. Superboy looks better than Teen Titans. Then again anything would look better than Teen Titans.

sethysquare

08-25-2011 12:18 PM

[QUOTE=Personamanx;13701928]Eh, Red Hood looks better than Superboy. Superboy looks better than Teen Titans. Then again anything would look better than Teen Titans. [/QUOTE]

We talking about the costume or art? cos looking at the art from teen titans, I'm nothing but impressed, not so much for superboy, even when the colored preview was revealed during sdcc

Personamanx

08-25-2011 12:19 PM

[QUOTE=sethysquare;13701939]We talking about the costume or art? cos looking at the art from teen titans, I'm nothing but impressed, not so much for superboy, even when the colored preview was revealed during sdcc[/QUOTE]

I can't say anything nice about the art or costumes from "Teen Titans". I'll have to see the image in full colour but judging from the The page on this thread I'm liking Superboy's art a lot more.

Theozilla 08-25-2011 12:21 PM

[QUOTE=sethysquare;13701939]We talking about the costume or art? cos looking at the art from teen titans, I'm nothing but impressed, not so much for superboy, even when the colored preview was revealed during sdcc[/QUOTE]

I personally like RB Silva's art a lot more than Bret Booth's (which is still good).

juliankeller

08-25-2011 12:29 PM

Thank God! This looks pretty decent, despite Rose having 2 eyes. Perhaps as time goes on we'll see it gouged out in battle. Hearing that she was to be S-Boy's handler made my heart sing. She will still have TT ties, but not be in the book proper. With Lobdell at the helm of both, it may only be a matter of time. Fingers crossed ...

BrotherUnitNo_4

08-25-2011 12:37 PM

[QUOTE=Personamanx;13701928]Eh, Red Hood looks better than Superboy. Superboy looks better than Teen Titans. Then again anything would look better than Teen Titans. [/QUOTE]

I'm inclined to agree, and the artwork does look A LOT like Clayton Henry, just like the art on I, Vampire made me think of Jae Lee.

Based on this and the other previews, I'm a bit disappointed as there seems to be a lack of backgrounds.

bongoes 08-25-2011 12:44 PM

[QUOTE=sethysquare;13701869]Thats Nice.

On a sidenote, have anyone felt like the art so far for superboy have been less than satisfactory? Comparing to redhood and teen titans, this seems like a far cry[/QUOTE]

No. I've actually been tempted to pick up Superboy because of the art, both the interiors and the fantastic covers. I think Red Hood is okay, but not great and Teen Titans, well, it basically killed any interest I had in it.

joao_miranda

08-25-2011 12:47 PM

[QUOTE=sethysquare;13701869]On a sidenote, have anyone felt like the art so far for superboy have been less than satisfactory? Comparing to redhood and teen titans, this seems like a far cry[/QUOTE]

Really? I think it's one of best looking books of the relaunch, and that says a lot. RB Silva did a wonderfull job with Jimmy Olsen and I expect the same with Superboy, altough I think his style would be better with Blue Beetle (but Ig Guara seems to have a similar style) or JLI (but Lopresti is also perfect for it).

Btw, I really liked Clayton Henry on Legion. Hope to see him in something soon.

Fused

08-25-2011 01:16 PM

[QUOTE=Personamanx;13701928]Eh, Red Hood looks better than Superboy. Superboy looks better than Teen Titans. Then again anything would look better than Teen Titans. [/QUOTE]

I'm in resounding agreement with this statement as well.

OrpheusTelos

08-25-2011 01:20 PM

Don't care much for the art but I'm happy to see Rose looks to be the same character. She's apparently going to be Connor's "handler" so I suppose all that ship tease between her and Con in Teen Titans actually served a purpose. :tongue:

DarkKnghtJared

08-25-2011 01:33 PM

[QUOTE=philioteria21;13701777]Hm. She has two eyes. I don't know if I like that. [/QUOTE]

Her having only one eye is a pretty recent edition to the character.

Anyway, it's cool to hear, and I'm starting to get a little more interested in what Lobdell's going to do with Superboy.

Also, I think I have an idea of who the secret other character that Lobdell's sneaking in here. Here's a hint: Hello, Megan!

CyberCoyote

08-25-2011 01:57 PM

I'm fine with a two eyed Rose who never gouged an eye out in a psychotic Love Me Daddy moment. I'm legally blind in one eye and believe me, it can be a hinderance just driving a car.. fighting supertypes coming at you from all directions like that is probably something even more difficult when you're a psyclops :wink:

Cowtools 08-25-2011 02:36 PM

[B]YAY![/B] Rose [B]BOO![/B] No eyepatch. It was such a cool look for her [B]YAY![/B] She's being all smirky and violent [B]BOO![/B] But does that mean she's a villain again? [B]YAY![/B] RB Silva art. He rocked 'Jimmy Olsen'! [B]BOO![/B] But it's in 'Superboy', meaning I'll have to pick up an extra book

mcbar0321

08-25-2011 02:45 PM

Rose Wilson was one of those comic book characters I always thought was sexy... loved her back up stuff in Teen Titans a few years back.

Skaddix

08-25-2011 02:56 PM

hmm rose, alien chick, lab girl, and one other. hmm since nowhere likes aliens, l think

hotspot, argent and that group would be good cvhoices as a strike team . still happy for rose

drakeon

08-25-2011 02:58 PM

Okay, Rose looks pretty badass in the pics. The recent Teen Titans history is out so Rose wouldnt have one eye. I think she looks great! The art is simple but good, and I absolutely love Brett Booth's art on Teen Titans and the art in Red Hood. Looks like all three Lobdell books will be my favs of the relaunch!

paulski

08-25-2011 08:23 PM

Damn you, Silva. Damn you to hell.

Now I HAVE to get Superboy. There's no longer any question about it. :cool:

[QUOTE=Cowtools;13702593][B]YAY![/B] Rose [B]BOO![/B] No eyepatch. It was such a cool look for her [B]YAY![/B] She's being all smirky and violent [B]BOO![/B] But does that mean she's a villain again? [B]YAY![/B] RB Silva art. He rocked 'Jimmy Olsen'! [B]BOO![/B] But it's in 'Superboy', meaning I'll have to pick up an extra book[/QUOTE]

[B]YAY![/B] But at least it'll be a really enjoyable book. :wink:

Jabare

08-25-2011 08:54 PM

[IMG]http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqhymvqejq1qeenqto1_1280.jpg? AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJ6IHWSU3BX3X7X3Q&Expires=1314417248&Signature=g6XJWojs WmVye0a3lCDXFcns3vk%3D[/IMG]

shingi70 08-25-2011 09:04 PM

[QUOTE=Jabare;13704451] [IMG]http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqhymvqejq1qeenqto1_1280.jpg? AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJ6IHWSU3BX3X7X3Q&Expires=1314417248&Signature=g6XJWojs WmVye0a3lCDXFcns3vk%3D[/IMG][/QUOTE]

Aww boy that looks good. Damn you DC......Damn You

May trade wait superboy.

Jabare

08-25-2011 09:08 PM

If I buy this title monthly its going to be due to Rose. But I more likely to pick it up in trades

Genki Sudo

08-25-2011 09:21 PM

[QUOTE=Personamanx;13701928]Eh, Red Hood looks better than Superboy. Superboy looks better than Teen Titans. Then again anything would look better than Teen Titans. [/QUOTE]

Teen Titans is my guilty pleasure

BloodOps 08-25-2011 09:39 PM

Besides her having 2 eyes still, she still looks like Rose to me.

Flash Gordon

08-25-2011 11:21 PM

[QUOTE]Comparing to redhood and teen titans, this seems like a far cry [/QUOTE]

Well, in its defense, not much can compare to the gorgeous art of RED HOOD & THE OUTLAWS. I have no interest in Jason Todd, or Roy Harper, but my gods that art has me picking up the book.

[QUOTE]May trade wait superboy. [/QUOTE]

I'm right there with ya. It looks promising, and exciting. I really hated all the pre-Titans Conner Kent stuff. It's just been so bland and unexciting. I think this may bring back some carefree 'fun' to the character of Superboy. I'm so sick and tired of Mr. Mopey Pants and his godawful costume and self examining nature.

Oh, and Rose is actually looking kinda cute for once.

drakeon

08-26-2011 03:20 AM

Cmon people, no trade waiting!! Let's support these books! All of Lobdell's books look amazing. I cannot wait for September!!!

heffison

08-26-2011 03:28 PM

The interior art for nU Superboy does look good. Too bad they can't take a page from each issue and replace those covers. I think the covers we've seen will actually hurt sales for this book. Maybe they aren't final, though.

I'm fine with Rose having both eyes. In a universe of magic and super-science, she should never have had to go with just one for so long, anyway, aside from just wanting to.

BrotherUnitNo_4

08-26-2011 03:37 PM

[QUOTE=heffison;13708291] I'm fine with Rose having both eyes. In a universe of magic and super-science, she should never have had to go with just one for so long, anyway, aside from just wanting to. [/QUOTE]

That's what I've been saying for ages.

mosdef

08-26-2011 03:39 PM

Looks good; hopefully she won't eventually lose an eye. I prefer her with both.

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SUPERBOY #3 Written by SCOTT LOBDELL Art by R.B. SILVA and ROB LEAN Cover by ERIC CANETE On sale NOVEMBER 9 * 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US RATED T When N.O.W.H.E.R.E. assigned Superboy to put down an alien prison riot, they couldn't have suspected his powers would bring the entire prison down on top of him. Inside the wreckage, he'll find a mysterious - and gorgeous - alien who could help him escape... but does she want to? Meanwhile, Superboy's handler, Rose Wilson, is about to discover that she is connected to the origin of her "assignment" in a way she never imagined! Posted 1 month ago Level 16 Post by Aiden Cross (9,928 posts) See mini bio Level 16

Follow Send a PM Phew, i thought that was her on the picture, but judging from the text it isn't.. Posted 1 month ago Level 18 Post by War Killer (15,199 posts) See mini bio Level 18

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I don't know who would have said it but I'm sure people were just confused because DC wasn't releasing all their covers on The Source when they released the covers for specific "family titles" and Superboy wasn't posted with the other Superman comics Posted 1 month ago Level 7 Post by Clue_ (335 posts) See mini bio Level 7

Follow Send a PM I doubt they're going to can a series that hasn't even run yet. Posted 1 month ago Level 20 Post by Dernman (2,614 posts) See mini bio Level 20

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Posted 1 month ago Level 14 Post by ahgunsillyo (22 posts) See mini bio Level 14

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What I want to know is how many eyes she has. Posted 1 month ago Level 18 Post by War Killer (15,199 posts) See mini bio Level 18

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@War Killer said: I thought someone said this series got canned? O_o

I don't know who would have said it but I'm sure people were just confused because DC wasn't releasing all their covers on The Source when they released the covers for specific "family titles" and Superboy wasn't posted with the other Superman comics I saw someone mention it when the Staff posted the Superman covers for November and Superboy wasn't with them. They said something about Superboy's series getting cancelled and him just being the villain for the Teen Titans or something.

Posted 1 month ago Level 37 Post by aztek_the_lost (28,469 posts) See mini bio Level 37

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@War Killer said: I thought someone said this series got canned? O_o

I don't know who would have said it but I'm sure people were just confused because DC wasn't releasing all their covers on The Source when they released the covers for specific "family titles" and Superboy wasn't posted with the other Superman comics I saw someone mention it when the Staff posted the Superman covers for November and Superboy wasn't with them. They said something about Superboy's series getting cancelled and him just being the villain for the Teen Titans or something.

well I don't see why they would, it would ruin their entire marketing scheme of "New 52" and make the entire reboot pointless, to an extent...and Justice League Dark wasn't with the other Dark titles when they posted the November covers, and there were other missing comics from sets of covers so I highly doubt any of it's getting cancelled...yet...give it a few months and books might start dropping like flies Posted 1 month ago Level 18 Post by War Killer (15,199 posts) See mini bio Level 18

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@War Killer said: @aztek_the_lost said:

@War Killer said: I thought someone said this series got canned? O_o

I don't know who would have said it but I'm sure people were just confused because DC wasn't releasing all their covers on The Source when they released the covers for specific "family titles" and Superboy wasn't posted with the other Superman comics I saw someone mention it when the Staff posted the Superman covers for November and Superboy wasn't with them. They said something about Superboy's series getting cancelled and him just being the villain for the Teen Titans or something.

well I don't see why they would, it would ruin their entire marketing scheme of "New 52" and make the entire reboot pointless, to an extent...and Justice League Dark wasn't with the other Dark titles when they posted the November covers, and there were other missing comics from sets of covers so I highly doubt any of it's getting cancelled...yet...give it a few months and books might start dropping like flies Good point. And true, some of the 52 titles really don't look that interesting and I can see them getting cancelled in the next few months once the reboot starts next month. Though I wouldn't be surprised if DC's got a whole other set of titles ready to put out when that happens. Posted 1 month ago Level 37 Post by aztek_the_lost (28,469 posts) See mini bio Level 37

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@War Killer said: I thought someone said this series got canned? O_o

I don't know who would have said it but I'm sure people were just confused because DC wasn't releasing all their covers on The Source when they released the covers for specific "family titles" and Superboy wasn't posted with the other Superman comics I saw someone mention it when the Staff posted the Superman covers for November and Superboy wasn't with them. They said something about Superboy's series getting cancelled and him just being the villain for the Teen Titans or something.

well I don't see why they would, it would ruin their entire marketing scheme of "New 52" and make the entire reboot pointless, to an extent...and Justice League Dark wasn't with the other Dark titles when they posted the November covers, and there were other missing comics from sets of covers so I highly doubt any of it's getting cancelled...yet...give it a few months and books might start dropping like flies Good point. And true, some of the 52 titles really don't look that interesting and I can see them getting cancelled in the next few months once the reboot starts next month. Though I wouldn't be surprised if DC's got a whole other set of titles ready to put out when that happens.

I think DC's literally going to throw at the wall every single property they own in a move of desperation to get more sales and they'll drop titles that aren't working quick to replace them with new ones that they think will make up for it...personally, I wouldn't

mind that they were putting out new content if it weren't for the fact that they killed all the current content first, there's no win (at best the loss is cancelled out with the win leaving a feeling of neutrality) for the current comic fan, it's all aimed at the non-existent "new comic reader" Posted 1 month ago Level 18 Post by ReVamp (3,459 posts) See mini bio Level 18

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Thank God Rose is back.....but as Superboy's HANDLER? Probably because of Krul's run on Teen Titans (where he's been showing us a possible love interest between the two...) Rose's duty as Superboy's "handler"? Posted 4 weeks, 1 day ago Level 13 Post by greencrapweasel (34 posts) See mini bio Level 13

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hey as long as ravager/rose wilson and superboy are still existent in this whole new dc universe I'm...somewhat okay with it.....well and beast boy....and raven.......and wally west.....you know im starting to really not want this whole dc change going on, i just started to branch my reading out past teen titans and now they screw all of them up for me! i just don't want that Posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago Level 30 Post by PrinceIMC (3,945 posts) See mini bio Level 30

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@spiderbat87 said: @PrinceIMC said: Soooooo Rose Wilson has some kind of connection to Superboy? Is his human DNA from Slade Wilson perhaps? Na its confirmed its still Lex

really? I mean i expected it to still be from Lex but i didnt hear any confirmation of it and i would like to hear how he is connected to n.o.w.h.e.r.e. Posted 7 hours, 55 minutes ago Level 15 Post by spiderbat87 (3,090 posts) See mini bio Level 15

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@spiderbat87 said: @PrinceIMC said: Soooooo Rose Wilson has some kind of connection to Superboy? Is his human DNA from Slade Wilson perhaps? Na its confirmed its still Lex

really? I mean i expected it to still be from Lex but i didnt hear any confirmation of it and i would like to hear how he is connected to n.o.w.h.e.r.e. SL answers it in his Q & A he did with the Vine Posted 7 hours, 51 minutes ago Level 30 Post by PrinceIMC (3,945 posts) See mini bio Level 30

Follow Send a PM @spiderbat87 said: @PrinceIMC said: Soooooo Rose Wilson has some kind of connection to Superboy? Is his human DNA from Slade Wilson perhaps? Na its confirmed its still Lex Well I'm a little disappointed my theory is wrong but really being half Lex half Superman is how it should be. I wonder what her connection to the project is then. Probably something to do with Slade who I assume is still her father. Posted 7 hours, 49 minutes ago Level 15 Post by spiderbat87 (3,090 posts) See mini bio Level 15

Follow Send a PM @PrinceIMC said: @spiderbat87 said: @PrinceIMC said: Soooooo Rose Wilson has some kind of connection to Superboy? Is his human DNA from Slade Wilson perhaps? Na its confirmed its still Lex Well I'm a little disappointed my theory is wrong but really being half Lex half Superman is how it should be. I wonder what her connection to the project is then. Probably something to do with Slade who I assume is still her father. Have you read it yet? I just finished it. Posted 7 hours, 47 minutes ago 23 results12NextLast Menu

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Follow Send a PM SUPERBOY #3 When N.O.W.H.E.R.E. assigned Superboy to put down an alien prison riot, they couldn't have suspected his powers would bring the entire prison down on top of him. Inside the wreckage, he'll find a mysterious - and gorgeous - alien who could help him escape... but does she want to? Meanwhile, Superboy's handler, Rose Wilson, is about to discover that she is connected to the origin of her "assignment" in a way she never imagined! Posted 1 month ago Level 20 Post by sesquipedalophobe (1,930 posts) See mini bio Level 20

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Online Now Follow Send a PM sounds cool...maybe they won't completely abandon the hints they've been dropping about them hooking up in the recent Teen Titans issues Posted 1 month ago Level 33 Post by The Dark Huntress (55,298 posts) See mini bio Level 33

Online Now Follow Send a PM Incredibly interesting. Posted 1 month ago Level 23 Post by jrock85 (637 posts) See mini bio Level 23

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Follow Send a PM Awesome!! But it just reminds me that I'll have to ignore a lot of pieces from the continuity in order to LOVE the DCnU Posted 1 month ago Level 23 Post by jrock85 (637 posts) See mini bio Level 23

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oh ok. i thought you were under the impression that she was the one in the pic Posted 1 month ago Level 20 Post by sesquipedalophobe (1,930 posts) See mini bio Level 20

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@spiderbat87: Yup. I liked it. Good twists on his powers and motivation. Yea I liked it, pretty enjoyable. SL said that as far as he knows Rose's father is still Slade but she was never Ravager, not sure what he means by that. Posted 7 hours, 47 minutes ago Level 19 Post by DEGRAAF (5,932 posts) See mini bio Level 19

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SUPERBOY #3 Written by SCOTT LOBDELL Art by R.B. SILVA and ROB LEAN Cover by ERIC CANETE On sale NOVEMBER 9 * 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US RATED T When N.O.W.H.E.R.E. assigned Superboy to put down an alien prison riot, they couldn't have suspected his powers would bring the entire prison down on top of him. Inside the wreckage, he'll find a mysterious - and gorgeous - alien who could help him escape... but does she want to? Meanwhile, Superboy's handler, Rose Wilson, is about to discover that she is connected to the origin of her "assignment" in a way she never imagined! Posted 1 month ago Level 16 Post by Aiden Cross (9,928 posts) See mini bio Level 16

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What I want to know is how many eyes she has. Posted 1 month ago Level 18 Post by War Killer (15,199 posts) See mini bio Level 18

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@War Killer said: I thought someone said this series got canned? O_o

I don't know who would have said it but I'm sure people were just confused because DC wasn't releasing all their covers on The Source when they released the covers for specific "family titles" and Superboy wasn't posted with the other Superman comics I saw someone mention it when the Staff posted the Superman covers for November and Superboy wasn't with them. They said something about Superboy's series getting cancelled and him just being the villain for the Teen Titans or something. Posted 1 month ago Level 37 Post by aztek_the_lost (28,469 posts) See mini bio Level 37

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@War Killer said: I thought someone said this series got canned? O_o

I don't know who would have said it but I'm sure people were just confused because DC wasn't releasing all their covers on The Source when they released the covers for specific "family titles" and Superboy wasn't posted with the other Superman comics

I saw someone mention it when the Staff posted the Superman covers for November and Superboy wasn't with them. They said something about Superboy's series getting cancelled and him just being the villain for the Teen Titans or something.

well I don't see why they would, it would ruin their entire marketing scheme of "New 52" and make the entire reboot pointless, to an extent...and Justice League Dark wasn't with the other Dark titles when they posted the November covers, and there were other missing comics from sets of covers so I highly doubt any of it's getting cancelled...yet...give it a few months and books might start dropping like flies Posted 1 month ago Level 18 Post by War Killer (15,199 posts) See mini bio Level 18

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@War Killer said: @aztek_the_lost said:

@War Killer said: I thought someone said this series got canned? O_o

I don't know who would have said it but I'm sure people were just confused because DC wasn't releasing all their covers on The Source when they released the covers for specific "family titles" and Superboy wasn't posted with the other Superman comics I saw someone mention it when the Staff posted the Superman covers for November and Superboy wasn't with them. They said something about Superboy's series getting cancelled and him just being the villain for the Teen Titans or something.

well I don't see why they would, it would ruin their entire marketing scheme of "New 52"

and make the entire reboot pointless, to an extent...and Justice League Dark wasn't with the other Dark titles when they posted the November covers, and there were other missing comics from sets of covers so I highly doubt any of it's getting cancelled...yet...give it a few months and books might start dropping like flies Good point. And true, some of the 52 titles really don't look that interesting and I can see them getting cancelled in the next few months once the reboot starts next month. Though I wouldn't be surprised if DC's got a whole other set of titles ready to put out when that happens. Posted 1 month ago Level 37 Post by aztek_the_lost (28,469 posts) See mini bio Level 37

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@War Killer said: @aztek_the_lost said:

@War Killer said: I thought someone said this series got canned? O_o

I don't know who would have said it but I'm sure people were just confused because DC wasn't releasing all their covers on The Source when they released the covers for specific "family titles" and Superboy wasn't posted with the other Superman comics I saw someone mention it when the Staff posted the Superman covers for November and Superboy wasn't with them. They said something about Superboy's series getting cancelled and him just being the villain for the Teen Titans or something.

well I don't see why they would, it would ruin their entire marketing scheme of "New 52" and make the entire reboot pointless, to an extent...and Justice League Dark wasn't with the other Dark titles when they posted the November covers, and there were other missing comics from sets of covers so I highly doubt any of it's getting cancelled...yet...give it a few months and books might start dropping like flies Good point. And true, some of the 52 titles really don't look that interesting and I can see them getting cancelled in the next few months once the reboot starts next month. Though I wouldn't be surprised if DC's got a whole other set of titles ready to put out when that happens.

I think DC's literally going to throw at the wall every single property they own in a move of desperation to get more sales and they'll drop titles that aren't working quick to replace them with new ones that they think will make up for it...personally, I wouldn't mind that they were putting out new content if it weren't for the fact that they killed all the current content first, there's no win (at best the loss is cancelled out with the win leaving a feeling of neutrality) for the current comic fan, it's all aimed at the non-existent "new comic reader" Posted 1 month ago Level 18 Post by ReVamp (3,459 posts) See mini bio Level 18

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Thank God Rose is back.....but as Superboy's HANDLER? Probably because of Krul's run on Teen Titans (where he's been showing us a possible love interest between the two...) Rose's duty as Superboy's "handler"? Posted 4 weeks, 1 day ago Level 13 Post by greencrapweasel (34 posts) See mini bio Level 13

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hey as long as ravager/rose wilson and superboy are still existent in this whole new dc universe I'm...somewhat okay with it.....well and beast boy....and raven.......and wally west.....you know im starting to really not want this whole dc change going on, i just started to branch my reading out past teen titans and now they screw all of them up for me! i just don't want that Posted 3 weeks, 1 day ago Level 30 Post by PrinceIMC (3,945 posts) See mini bio Level 30

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Soooooo Rose Wilson has some kind of connection to Superboy? Is his human DNA from Slade Wilson perhaps? Na its confirmed its still Lex Posted 8 hours, 8 minutes ago Level 19 Post by DEGRAAF (5,932 posts) See mini bio Level 19

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really? I mean i expected it to still be from Lex but i didnt hear any confirmation of it and i would like to hear how he is connected to n.o.w.h.e.r.e. Posted 7 hours, 55 minutes ago Level 15 Post by spiderbat87 (3,090 posts) See mini bio Level 15

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Soooooo Rose Wilson has some kind of connection to Superboy? Is his human DNA from Slade Wilson perhaps? Na its confirmed its still Lex

really? I mean i expected it to still be from Lex but i didnt hear any confirmation of it and i would like to hear how he is connected to n.o.w.h.e.r.e. SL answers it in his Q & A he did with the Vine Posted 7 hours, 51 minutes ago Level 30 Post by PrinceIMC (3,945 posts) See mini bio Level 30

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Batwoman and Kobra in Twin Peaks!!!

OR

Twin Killing!!!

Before I begin, just a note. I do enjoy Greg Ruckas comic writing. Ive enjoyed his work with Batman and he has a deft style capable of creating a strong story. Its one of the reasons I was (and still am) picking up the Batbooks on a regular basis. That being said, I dont really like the new Batwoman whose run on Detective Comics recently came to a close. Now I know some may paint me as some sort of homophobic Neanderthal for saying so, since Batwomans alter ego, Kathy Kane, is an open lesbian (and kids, if you dont know what a lesbian is, ask your parents cause Im not going to tell you). Those people who write me off probably wont bother reading this entry any further, and if those people happen to be the only two who visit this site, well, then Im really screwed. However, if youll give me the benefit of the doubt, then please read on. Remember, I try to entertain as well as inform.

So, Im not a fan of the new Batwoman. First question, why? Well, superficially, theres the irksome issue of her costume. Kathy Kane looks like she has a serious pigment depletion in her skin and sports bright red hair. And when she goes out as Batwoman, her full costume covers ever bit of her body, except the extremely pale skin around her

mouth and her bright red hair. That just doesnt make any sense. Comics paint your average crook as a moron, and even a moron busted by Batwoman would be apt to think, if he ever saw Kathy Kane, that she may have some connection to Batwoman and that, my friend, would cause problems. I know its comics, and comics are fantasy and style, not reality, but still, it needles me a bit. My problem, I know, and Im trying to deal with it.

The second reason was a nagging issue with the Elegy storyline that ran not too long ago. In it Batwoman had to deal with, once again, the Cult of Crime, a group of fanatics who worship crime and who needed Kathy, the twice named daughter of Cain, as a sacrifice in some arcane ritual. In the original encounter in DCs weekly series 52, she managed to overcome the Cults assault with the aid of the new Question, although she did get a knife shoved through her chest. Kathy survived and continued her good works as Batwoman.

Now in Elegy were introduced to Alice, a very pasty skinned, Wonderland dressed Queen of the Cult of Crime. In Detective Comics #857 Alice acts out her plan to highjack a Gotham military base and oddly enough gives Kathy a call to let her know they have her pappy.

The military man who gets to live also happens to be Kathy Kanes father hmm

Ill never get why villains feel compelled to let the hero in on their plans, but what the hell. It moves the story along. Kathy, who is attending a gala ball or something, is

obviously upset by this turn of events. Bet you cant spot her in the crowd

Did you spot Kathy in the crowd?

The men talking to Kathy are actually former Cult members, they broke off from the others after Kathy survived their initial encounter

You know, looking at the last panel above, you have to wonder something. Comics, as I said, are fantasy. Theyre creative endeavors that may be given direction by one, but are actually accomplished by a team. So think about about it. A group of people decided that the best look for Kathy would be as some sort of old school vampire. Seriously, think about it. They already made her a lesbian, why on earth did they need to add to that by making her stick out like a female Bela Legosi on every page? Well, I guess vampires are hot nowadays. That, or theres some subtle message about lesbians and physical appearance the authors wanted to make. I dont know. I cant read minds.

Anyway, eventually Kathy and her entourage make it to the military base and they learn the depths of Alices depravity

What? Were you expecting something else? Like maybe the crime worshippers dumping a load of religious literature on the unsuspecting Gothamites? Now that WOULD be scary!

Batwoman gets on the plane and manages to stop the deadly plot. Her and Alice struggle, eventually getting knocked out of the plane and the following happens

OMG!!! What a twist!!! M Night Shyamalan must be rolling in his grave over this one! What? Hes still alive? Really?

Well, well, well. So Alice, the Queen of Crime if you will, was actually Kathys never before mentioned sister. This is expanded upon in the next issue, Detective Comics #858, where we learn that Kate actually had a TWIN SISTER.

Whenever a mom promises something fun for the kids, the kids would be better off staying home. Its like THE omen of death in comics. Heck, look no further than Bruce Wayne, who attended a movie with his folks the night they were killed.

Sure enough, Kathy, her sister and their mom are kidnapped and held hostage. Kathys dad leads a team of commandos to rescue them and in the attempt it seems as though Kathys sister and mom are killed. In Detective Comics #859 Kathy gets a DNA test done on some of Alices blood that she got from their fight the night before and finds that the DNA matches hers exactly. So I guess Kathys sister survived and was taken by the Cult of Crime and trained to become their white queen.

Kathys not thrilled by this and shows her frustration in Detective Comics #859

And there you go

Ah yes, the evil twin angle, a tried and tested plot device, particularly in soap operas. Honestly, Im not a fan of it. But there was something else about this story that nagged

at me and festered in the back of my mind. Then it came to me, this whole thing was very familiar to something Id read many years ago and it involved sssomeone who talksss like thisss KOBRA

No, no, no!!! I said Kobra, not Cobra! Geez!!!

There you go, the Worlds Most Dangerous Man!

Back in the mid-1970s DC introduced a character whos still popping up today to challenge your favorite heroes, the Worlds Most Dangerous Man Kobra. He actually had his own series, first appearing in Kobra #1. A unique venture, a series that focused on a villain instead of a hero. And as most unique series go, Kobras lasted about as long as expected, a whole lasted 7 issues, with the penultimate issue #8, which was supposed to guest-star Batman, shunted into the new anthology series DC Spcecial Series #1. This is was called DC 5-Star Super-Hero Spectacular 1977, and was written by Martin Pasko with art by Michael Netzer. It starts out with Batman intercepting a letter for Bruce Wayne

Sooo Kobra was separated from his twin brother by a Cult of Cobra worshippers and was raised to be their leader this sounds remarkably familiar, doesnt it?

So the cult becomes a crime cult hmm

I wonder if this was also how Cobra Commander started? Its also funny that Tomax and Xamot have the same affliction as Jason Burr and Kobra.

Now that I think about it, did Hasbro knock off the idea of a cobra based terrorist group from DC?

So, let me see. Alice was separated from her twin sister at a young age and raised by a cult to be its leader in criminal endeavors. Kobra was separated from his twin brother at a young age and raised by a cult to be its leader in criminal endeavors.

Nope, no similarity there at all.

Lets continue the story shall we...

Man, Alfred is a wonder. What other butler can fly a jet plane and make your whites their whitest? Batman realizes that Kobra must be using an old base of Ras al Ghul with a Lazarus Pit in order to be able to raise the dead. Upon arriving there the Dark Knight infiltrates the base

and promptly sets off every alarm in the place and gets caught. Youve got to love Batman in the 1970s, he seemed so much more human than he does nowadays. Batman awakes to find himself strung up with Jason Burr and coming face-to-face with Kobra!

As noted in Austin Powers, the villain promptly explains his plan then leave the hero alone in some kind of easily escapable deathtrap.

Oh, by the way, Batman and Burr escape.

Another point. Alices cult seems to have some supernatural aspect as some members can change into were-creatures and Kobra has the supernatural Lazarus Pit to raise the dead.

And in typical 1970s fashion, we have a nice, happy ending

Ah yes, you just have to love a happy ending or is it???

OMG!!! Where the hell was she hiding that knife???

Man, what a downer ending for a 1970s comic story. Man, Batman is pissed! Id hate to be Kobra right about now. Batman would go after Kobra, but oddly enough it wasnt in Batman, Detective Comics, Brave and the Bold or Worlds Finest. Hed next clash with Kobra in Aquaman #61 of all places. Weird. I guess after that the Caped Crusader suffered some kind of short term memory loss as he put the Kobra group on the back burner and let them fester as theyre still around in the DC universe in some capacity today, though the original Kobra leader suffered a rather grisly end in JSA #51. Of course, this being comics, there is no such thing as dead. I mean, theres a freaking resurrection pit just sitting there!

And now, I hope, you can see my point in this whole endeavor. Theres just way too many similarities between Kobras background and Kathys background for my liking. Including having one twin seemingly plummet from a ridiculous height to their death weve got criminal cults raising a kidnapped twin to be their leader, the good twin believing the other twin dead until very recently, the inevitable clashes with the good twin, the involvement of the Batman mythos in some capacity, the use of a parent to lure the good twin and so on.

I suppose that, after its all said and done, the main reason Im not a big fan of the new Batwoman is that subconsciously, while I was reading Elegy, I was just disappointed that her first solo run wasnt more original and, well... better.

And on that bombshell, I think Ill call it a day. Take care!

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I disagree Posted by BOPE (591 posts) on April 05, 2010 at 01:44pm Batwoman - gay or straight incarnation - is such a rip-off from the Batman mythos it's insulting. I was never crazy about Batwoman/Kathy Kane, and opted instead to follow Renee Montoya's rise to take over the mantle of Question. If DC doesn't continue Rucka's work, I say cool. If they continue it, I say cool. In other words, I am so indifferent about Batwoman we might as well be discussing Connor Kent. Login or register to post comments

Connor Kent! Posted by Heather Hogan (2454 posts) on April 05, 2010 at 02:15pm

I disagree, but you just made me laugh out loud so hard with Connor Kent! Well played! Login or register to post comments

*thumbs up* Posted by BOPE (591 posts) on April 05, 2010 at 09:21pm This is when a beer is warranted. xD Login or register to post comments

Well, at least we still have Posted by danimia1 (7 posts) on April 05, 2010 at 04:32pm

Well, at least we still have Gail Simone taking back the reigns, and bringing back, Birds of Prey (and in the process, taking her off of Wonder Women AFTER she saved that book from the depths of tartarus). I love Rucka, I do - he gave us Batwoman, and I even credit him with bringing back Huntress (check out batman/huntress cry for blood...oddly enough, it's a book that ties helena and the question together...the irony of it all). I'd love to see Gail being able to play with kate and renee in Birds...but there's a tendency to give her characters nobody wants, she makes them awesome, take them away and ruin them...um Dinah marrying Ollie, goodbye daughter, and oh no, the JLA disbands while she's the chairwoman??? oh and the whole huntress/ladyblackhawk/green lantern 3-some that would have NEVER happened if BoP wasn't canceled...the second time.

ok. that's my rant. can you tell I love my lady comics? queen and country is cool, but i think he's giving Chase one last hurrah before giving her a desk job so she can be a mommie and not die. blah. Login or register to post comments

Gail moving to Birds of Prey makes me sad.

Posted by Rizz Rustbolt (74 posts) on April 05, 2010 at 10:47pm

Because this means that the Secret Six is going to turn to crud, just like every other title that she's brought out of the gutter.

And I was just starting to really like Scandal Savage and the crew. Login or register to post comments

Clarification, please? Posted by scorpio54 (345 posts) on April 05, 2010 at 05:34pm

Batwoman - gay or straight incarnation - is such a rip-off from the Batman mythos it's insulting. I was never crazy about Batwoman/Kathy Kane, and opted instead to follow Renee Montoya's rise to take over the mantle of Question.

I genuinely don't follow what you mean here. Since you laud Renee Montoya becoming the Question, it doesn't appear to be female versions of male heroes you don't approve of. You also talk about 'Kathy Kane' rather than 'Kate Kane'. Kathy Kane was the Batwoman of the 1950s/early 1960s that Kate is clearly an updated version of, though they're very different characters as befits their very different eras. Login or register to post comments

Of course Posted by BOPE (591 posts) on April 05, 2010 at 09:24pm

...but before I go all-out, I need reassurances this isn't a "I love Batwoman therefore I'm going to take any criticisms you make of her personally" type of deal.

I learned! xD Login or register to post comments

Fictional Characters Posted by scorpio54 (345 posts) on April 06, 2010 at 12:55am I never take criticism of fictional characters personally, or make ad hominem attacks on those who make such criticisms. Which is not to say I won't argue against one I think is daft. Login or register to post comments

Thank you Posted by BOPE (591 posts) on April 06, 2010 at 08:06am

For these reasons, I will not engage you.

Buh bye! xD Login or register to post comments

oh no! Posted by lectra (837 posts)

on April 05, 2010 at 02:32pm

no more batwoman? too bad! i love the backstory they have given her... and the artwork is also really impressive. i love the red hair on white pale skin.

what i don't understand, is if they are going to finish the 12 issues? i've counted 10 until now. or is this about the solo "batwoman" comic? Login or register to post comments

What about Renee? Posted by Debi Linton (5 posts) on April 05, 2010 at 03:05pm

Kate Kane as a developed, interesting character, is less than a year old (having only appeared in periphery supporting roles for her run on 'Tec), and the artist who made her famous - JH Williams 3, hass aid he hopes to continue her.

I am MUCH more concerned about the future of Renee Montoya, aka the Question, who is one of DC's longest running lesbian characters with ten times the history of Batwoman, whose every title and major storyline (selected stories in No Mans Land, half of Gotham Central, a storyline in 52, Five Lessons in Blood, Final Crisis: Revelations AND the cofeature of Detective Comics) has been written by Rucka.Without rucka she'd still be a minor supporting character in Gotham stories with no established sexuality.

Following Rucka's announcement, the current artist on The Question co-feature has announced he will no longer be drawing her. Renee doesn't even have an attached artist batting in her corner.

And yet no one's talking about this character. They're too busy worrying about last year's golden gir, and unfortunately, the only woman of the two who is white.

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Renee Montoya Posted by Heather Hogan (2454 posts) on April 05, 2010 at 03:24pm You're right; I should have mentioned her. It's a tragedy that she's getting pulled too. Certainly Rucka was the force behind Montoya having as many stories as she did. Login or register to post comments

We can't let this happen. Posted by The_Bookworm (128 posts) on April 05, 2010 at 04:01pm

Batwoman has come so very, very far since she was created to deflect homophobic criticism of Batman and Robin. I love the way she was revamped - yes, she's a Batman spinoff, but all archetypal protagonists are either a Superman or a Batman, a god or a hero. This has been the case since ancient Greece and before. Batwoman is a hero we need and she should not end here.

Anybody want to take up the pen with me? Login or register to post comments

Yes! Posted by NovCrim11 (9 posts) on April 09, 2010 at 07:16pm

Let's do it! Where do we start? Login or register to post comments

Ah....man!! Posted by Deco (172 posts) on April 05, 2010 at 04:19pm

*Kicks dirt* *pouts*

Okay, Bookworm - who do we write? Login or register to post comments

OK: we need lesbian heroes. Posted by The_Bookworm (128 posts) on April 05, 2010 at 09:40pm

1. Lesbian Zorro inherits the cape and a mystical black motorcycle from her ancient grandfather. Then kicks ass all over California.

2. She-Hulk needs more depth. Let's give her some. A bout with breast cancer leaves her lopsided and her popularity plummets. This leads her to question lookism in the superhero community. She networks "ugly" heroes and heroines and they start kicking ass.

3. Power Girl wakes up one morning and realizes not only that she's a minor character in a comic book, but that aside from a poorly tied-up plot from the seventies, the only purpose for her existence is that hole in the front of her uniform. She then has an identity crisis and goes apeshit trying to become the woman she wants to be, trying to get out of the plot line, trying not to be merely a product of a male writer - or any writer. (Does she succeed? How do the other Kryptonians react to this unusual rebellion? Could the only sympathetic ear belong to...Huntress? Next ish, kids!)

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Power Girl Posted by jgotmilk (115 posts) on April 06, 2010 at 01:51am

Loved your comment about Power Girl. So true. The only reason for her existence is the hole in the front of her uniform.

It's too bad that DC and Marvel can create these powerful women and then take them down a few notches by wearing ridiculous outfits. Login or register to post comments

I know really Posted by The_Bookworm (128 posts) on April 06, 2010 at 11:44am

And she's supposed to be such a feminist. I wouldn't mind so much if she owned it, but it just seems like female superheroes are there for the revealing costumes. Even the strong ones (Oracle, Huntress, Emma Frost) don't get the treatment they deserve. Most of them are ultra-sexualized and then sidelined to the men. I like Power Girl because she actually runs stuff once in a while (and she's a vicious bitch.) But if Superman, Batman or even the Blue freaking Beetle is in attendence, she gets sidelined and the man gets the big battle scene or the big victory or the big save or whatever. Nevermind the introspection and character development that Batman's gone through - when do female heroes ever get that kind of attention? I can only think of two who even come close, and they're Promethea and Wonder Woman.

I know that's starting to change, but I want it to happen faster, dammit. I've got a degree in creative freakin' writing and I can do plots and dialogue. Where's Diane DiMassa these days? What about Alison Bechdel? Kris Kovick? Jimmie Robinson? Who here is in graphic media already? Let's band together and create a DYKE SUPERHEROINE COMICS CONGLOMERATE!

Hehe I know they'd never go for it, me being essentially some crazy nobody, but it's a giddy thought nonetheless... Who wants to help with this quixotic scheme? You know you do! XD Login or register to post comments

Boo. Posted by candise (42 posts) on April 05, 2010 at 05:10pm

Ugh. Rucka and JH William's Batwoman was *amazing*. Hopefully they figure this shit out - I have a feeling that DC won't let this die yet, but Rucka come back!

On the upside, I read today that Brian K. Vaughan's Runaways now has a director attached to it. So we may see lesbian/alien Karolian Dean on the big screen. http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=25582

http://playstart.wordpress.com

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I just broke Rule #2... Posted by ElusiveJ (107 posts) on April 06, 2010 at 10:13am while reading that linked site. Even though the writing had been getting progressively worse, I was heartbroken when Runaways went on indefinite hiatus. Especially with the storyline that had just started and the cliffhanger we were left with. I broke Rule #1 long ago and I adore Karolina and Xavin and Molly and the team. Now I just miss them. Login or register to post comments

I know what you mean Posted by candise (42 posts) on April 06, 2010 at 06:14pm How could they end it like that? I do think the Runaways would translate well to the big screen, though. Also, it's been confirmed that there are *plans* for a New Mutants movie. Don't know if you read it, but Karma is totally an out lesbian (and a librarian!). And we can look forward to Alison Mann in the Y: The Last Man movie, too. Lots of possibilities to get our hopes up on! Login or register to post comments

New Mutants Posted by ElusiveJ (107 posts) on April 07, 2010 at 10:01pm

I haven't actually been reading New Mutants but I've had friends suggest I pick it up before now. I'm not sure why no one told me about the lesbian librarian superhero because that's basically all I need to hear to guarantee that I'm going to adore it! So thanks for the tip. I'll be at my local library tomorrow to pick up whatever they have.

And on the subject of Y... I have so many issues with what I've heard about the potential film version that I don't know if I can even talk about it. All I can say is that they'd better cast Dr. Mann, Yorick, and 355 right! Login or register to post comments

Hit Girl Posted by scorpio54 (345 posts) on April 05, 2010 at 05:39pm While talking female superheroes...I saw the 'Kick-Ass' movie this afternoon and was very entertained by Hit Girl. That the most bad-ass character in the film was an 11 year-old girl was great! Login or register to post comments

money Posted by Luna (837 posts) on April 06, 2010 at 12:11pm

DC has more Lesbian characters then Marvel so to call DC homophobic is just plane ludacris. Money is the issue here, becuase it always is.

For me DC is just too dark for my liking. Marvel though lacking is my preferred comic book.

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I think this may be less about her being gay, Posted by Rizz Rustbolt (74 posts) on April 05, 2010 at 09:00pm

And more about her being a Woman.

Ladies in the have been taking it on the chin ever since Geoff Johns took over the lead in DC editorial department.

I just hope that with Gail Simone back on board for Birds of Prey, it means that she's going spend the first three issues having Huntress and Dove beat the ever-lovin snot out of Hawk until he quits. Although, after seeing Ms. Simone excised from the Wonder Woman history, I'm not getting my hopes up. Login or register to post comments

I think that might be true. Posted by Megan Rose (209 posts) on April 05, 2010 at 11:24pm I think that might be true. I still keep running into "you need more boys in your comics or nobody will read them." As if the ONLY demographic that matters for comics is straight white teenaged boys who only want to read about straight white teenaged boys with superpowers. Login or register to post comments

I agree. Posted by The_Bookworm (128 posts) on April 06, 2010 at 11:46am

It's a fanboy's world all right. There are a ton of awesome female artists and writers in the industry who get no attention to speak of.

But Marvel's doing a three-volume run of "Girl Comics." All female artists, including bios. The first one's out, it's pretty good. Login or register to post comments

Batwoman! You are amazing, Posted by Megan Rose (209 posts) on April 05, 2010 at 11:25pm Batwoman! You are amazing, and so is your art. Don't leave us. Please. *cries* Login or register to post comments

Bummed. Posted by jgotmilk (115 posts) on April 06, 2010 at 01:48am

I have been following Batwoman since she appeared in the 52 comics.

She's smart, bad ass and hot.

I hope DC can find writers who will writer her as well as Rucka did.

I'm bummed. Login or register to post comments

Starting Fan Art? Posted by irgendeine Userin (3 posts) on April 06, 2010 at 06:14am

Thanks for the good summary of events. Rucka wants to concentrate more on his other projects. Since there are strong women too. Unfortunately, all straight. :-/ I liked the way he handled Montoya. And how he made the introduction of Batwoman. Too bad that the stories now have a rest. I would have never believed it, but now I would be happy even about fan art on the two characters. @The_Bookworm You made a good start. :-)

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Danke! Posted by The_Bookworm (128 posts) on April 06, 2010 at 11:57am Danke! Maybe they'll bring her back if the fans clamor loudly enough. Login or register to post comments

Oh no... Posted by Garage Door Whi... (23 posts) on April 06, 2010 at 10:09am This is such bad news. I really enjoy both the Batwoman story and the art. But I really love Renee Montoya (more the character/story and definitely not the art. I don't like how she's been drawn of late) and just asked last week if she was always going to be paired with the Batwoman comics or if she was going to get her own series. She wasn't. And now with this news... she'll probably go away too. Major double-loss for me. And with that... I'm through buying comics. I don't like Queen and Country and Stumptown, with its irregular schedule, just didn't hook me. Login or register to post comments

OMG, I love this forum Posted by candise (42 posts) on April 06, 2010 at 06:04pm

Can we nerd out about comics more often?

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* shaking fist in the air * Posted by Canuckgrrl (377 posts) on April 06, 2010 at 09:56pm DAMN YOU, DC!! Peace to my fangirls. Login or register to post comments

damn it - i'm one pissed off nerd Posted by NovCrim11 (9 posts) on April 09, 2010 at 07:19pm I am seriously upset. What's a nerd to do???? Start a petition? Ladies? Login or register to post comments

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professorwho

Posts: 16 Registered: 4/22/10 New info on DCnU Supergirl Posted: Jul 26, 2011 11:35 PM Reply

Don't know if this has been posted already, but I found this article earlier today.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/07/24/supervillain-spoilers-from-sundays-dc-comicsnew-52-panel/

I like the bit about Supergirl going all over the DCnU and the fact that they kept the logo. But what I found most interesting was the surprising part about her powers. "the Earth's yellow sun will affect different Krytonians differently". This opens up a HUGE amount of possibilities for this new version of Supergirl and the Superman mythos in general. Interesting that this hasn't been mentioned in any interviews though, at least none that I've read.

Share thoughts below!

bcbdla

Posts: 4,774 Registered: 11/14/03 Re: New info on DCnU Supergirl Posted: Jul 26, 2011 11:49 PM in response to: professorwho Reply

Haha Yeah, 2 day-old news.

One of my favorite tidbits gleaned from SDCC.

lanalang07

Posts: 938 Registered: 3/31/11 Re: New info on DCnU Supergirl Posted: Aug 4, 2011 9:15 PM in response to: professorwho Reply

that's cool. I read an article from Bleeding Cool that Supergirl's powers will not be the same as Superman's. It will be entirely new.

sam_vimes

Posts: 1,102 Registered: 7/28/08 Re: New info on DCnU Supergirl Posted: Aug 4, 2011 9:18 PM in response to: professorwho Reply

Yikes, I wonder what this is going to mean. She's clearly still strong and can fly, if the cover I've seen with her punching Superman is any indication. Maybe she'll also have Great Wall of China reassembly-vision, a woefully underutilized power in the Kryptonian arsenal.

karatattoo

Posts: 2,425 Registered: 9/10/06 Re: New info on DCnU Supergirl Posted: Aug 4, 2011 9:38 PM in response to: lanalang07 Reply

> that's cool. I read an article from Bleeding Cool > that Supergirl's powers will not be the same as > Superman's. It will be entirely new.

No, her powers won't be entirely new. I believe they will be essentially the same with some variations.

larrygardner

Posts: 140 Registered: 10/17/04 Re: New info on DCnU Supergirl Posted: Aug 5, 2011 10:51 AM in response to: professorwho Reply

I cannot wait for this to come out. The new Action Comics too. I've been away from DC (aside from about 5 purchases) over the past few years. But, I've checked back in with Deconnick's run, and that seems like a great improvement over when I left. But this new DCU stuff... this is definitely going to get me purchasing some DC titles again.

johnfeer

Posts: 32 Registered: 11/15/05 Re: New info on DCnU Supergirl Posted: Aug 6, 2011 6:34 AM in response to: larrygardner Reply

They've changed the S-Icon and now all this palaver about different powers etc, seems to me that DC is worried about an irrevocable shift in SuperMAN's copyright status and needs to establish their exclusive rights to a character called Supergirl. I could be wrong though, I still can't believe that in the end their won't be a settlement re. the Siegel's lawsuit.

55iopy

Posts: 351 Registered: 1/7/11

Re: New info on DCnU Supergirl Posted: Aug 6, 2011 8:07 AM in response to: johnfeer Reply

> I could be wrong though, I still can't believe that > in the end their won't be a settlement re. the > Siegel's lawsuit.

I think and hope there will eventually be a settlement. I don't imagine anyone involved wants to sink the franchise, instead they all want a piece of the pie.

Having a slightly different power set than Superman is actually a very interesting idea, as is anything else they can do to draw distinctions and contrasts between her and Superman that doesn't make her less sympathetic as a character.

We haven't been given a whole lot of information yet, which is frustrating. We already know a lot about who many of the characters are in each of the other books, but we've been limited with Supergirl to that moronic solicit and a few hints in interviews. It makes me nervous that perhaps they're not quite sure what they're doing. But it also makes me hopeful that maybe the things they're doing are so interesting that telling us much would spoil the mystery of the story.

So I'm excited, worried, hesitant, and hopeful. Summer ends on 9-22, I always hate the end of summer but this may be the first time in years that I'm actually looking toward autumn with anticipation. Please DC, don't disappoint me.

runnerx13

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Registered: 5/19/03 Re: New info on DCnU Supergirl Posted: Aug 6, 2011 8:25 AM in response to: professorwho Reply

> "the Earth's yellow sun will affect different Krytonians differently"

That's cool, if humans can all have different powers, why shouldn't Kryptonians?

francis1958

Posts: 5 Registered: 1/26/04 Re: New info on DCnU Supergirl Posted: Aug 18, 2011 1:27 PM in response to: professorwho Reply

In response to the possible Siegel lawsuit about Superman,National Periodical Publications as DC was once known,took out either a trademark or copyright on the right to the name SUPERGIRL in 1944. Siegel and Schuster were both in the military when that happened.

KARA ZOR-EL,THE ONE TRUE SUPERGIRL!!!

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Posts: 173 Registered: 7/18/11 Re: New info on DCnU Supergirl Posted: Aug 20, 2011 6:51 PM in response to: professorwho Reply

Cool!

BRING ON THE BOOKS!

John