conversation started between ~rw~neolith and jaguar: thu, jun 21

22:14:26 2007
[22:14] jaguar: neolith
[22:14] jaguar: when you get up i need to talk with you
[22:14] jaguar: plz xfire me
[22:14] jaguar: a.s.a.p
[23:09] <vanhelsing001 is now playing halo>
[23:28] <vanhelsing001 stopped playing halo>
[01:16] ~rw~neolith: what's up?
[01:16] ~rw~neolith: sorry... i was at work, not sleeping. i forgot to
change my afk message when i went to work
[01:16] jaguar: asroths post in the forums bothered me
[01:18] jaguar: she called me annoying in the forusm jsut becasue i
posted in the section that was only 1 week old and i didnt think it
was a big deal
[01:21] jaguar: all iwas doing was tryin to be active in the forums
and do my part and i get called annoying
[01:24] ~rw~neolith: i'm going to look at the post in a few mins
[01:24] jaguar: i mean alot of ppl wouldnt find it to be a big deal
[01:25] jaguar: but to me it was sorta rude i mean i like rw its
cool but she made it seem that recruits or ppl tryin to join clan
dont matter to rw and rw is a family
[01:27] jaguar: [21:51] ~rw~ahsroth: if people cannot handle the way we
are, they do not belong with us anyway. rw is a family, we're not in
this to get the most members, we're in this because we're a group of
good friends who want to hang out and play games together.

[01:30] jaguar: i can handle the way rw is but calling me annoying in a

thread becasue i like reading posts and yes i have replied to some old
ones but i wasnt doing it to spam i was doing it to get to know people
and if noone wants posts read espically old ones then i think they
should be locked to avoid confusion becasue to me 1 week isnt long
to be considered an old post.
[01:45] <vanhelsing001 is now playing halo>
[02:11] <vanhelsing001 stopped playing halo>
[02:29] jaguar: yea i got the pm in the forums and it was wrong
[02:30] jaguar: you tell me that im not welcome in rw jsut becasue
someone called me annoying in the forums for doing what?
[02:30] jaguar: posting
[02:30] jaguar: in a trheadd that should havebeen locked
[02:33] ~rw~neolith: where was your post? i'm still looking for it
[02:34] jaguar: tehy have alrerady kicked me
[02:34] jaguar: from the recruitmenet
[02:50] jaguar: well
[02:50] jaguar: ?
[02:50] ~rw~neolith: what else did you post besides in the well done
thread?
[02:51] jaguar: alot of posts were made
[02:51] ~rw~neolith: i'm going to other threads that you posted in
right now
[02:51] jaguar: alot
[02:51] jaguar: iwasnt tryin to revive the posts
[02:51] jaguar: iwas jsut tryin to get to know ppl
[02:51] ~rw~neolith: problem is that takes time because i'm reading all
the posts, not just the ones you put in
[02:52] jaguar: and the thing i dont understand is now i bben kicked
from rw jsut casue of me defending myself
[02:52] jaguar: to asroth on xfire
[02:52] jaguar: i said nothing offensive to her
[02:52] ~rw~neolith: well you didn't say anything about talking with
her on xfire
[02:53] jaguar: yea i did
[02:53] jaguar: we had a little convo on xifre
[02:53] jaguar: and i told her that i feel that she could have at peast
apologized for callin me that
[02:53] jaguar: after all i am an adult
[02:54] jaguar: would you want a little kid callin you stuff?
[02:54] jaguar: i didnt offend her on xifre she jsut had it in for me
from day 1
[02:55] jaguar: i really feel cheated right now
[02:56] ~rw~neolith: well hold on here. whatever you're doing stop it
and step back. continuing to push in a direction you are getting
resistence may not help you. it may have the opposite effect.
[02:57] jaguar: i got nothing bad to say about rw ther ea wonderfukl
group of ppl
[02:57] ~rw~neolith: i'm trying to read everything here but i missed
some of your xfire comments back there, the stuff about talking with
ahs, while i was trying to read the forums.
[02:58] jaguar: i can psot it again
[02:58] jaguar: post*
[02:58] ~rw~neolith: i went back and read it. i just missed it the
first time because i was reading the forums while you sent it to me.
[02:59] jaguar: heres our whole convo on xfire
[02:59] jaguar: conversation started between jaguar and ~rw~ahsroth:
wed, jun 20 23:30:24 2007
[23:30] jaguar: hello
[23:30] jaguar: how ya doing?
conversation ended: wed, jun 20 23:31:59 2007
conversation started between jaguar and ~rw~ahsroth: thu, jun 21
21:31:31 2007
[21:31] jaguar: um i dont understand if the post are old then why dont
you lock them up ?
[21:31] jaguar: you tell us to be active in forums so i only an
doing what im suppsoed t o do
[21:32] jaguar: and thas be active
[21:32] ~rw~ahsroth: being active in the forums doesn't mean spamming
old threads
[21:32] ~rw~ahsroth: we don't lock them because we don't like having to
lock things. we just let threads die.
[21:33] jaguar: ..
[21:33] jaguar: ok
conversation ended: thu, jun 21 21:33:12 2007
conversation started between jaguar and ~rw~ahsroth: thu, jun 21
21:34:39 2007
[21:34] jaguar: im jsut saying if tehy were locked it would keep new
recruits and ppl lookin to join like me from going in them im new here
so i dont know what is old and what is new
[21:34] ~rw~ahsroth: occasionally an old thread is brought up for a
good reason. just to make a pointless comment is not good reason
[21:34] ~rw~ahsroth: and they have dates on them.
[21:35] jaguar: fine
[03:00] jaguar: [21:36] ~rw~ahsroth: don't get uptight about it. it was
a general fyi.
[21:37] jaguar: tehy way you worded it i foudn it sorta offensive
[21:37] jaguar: thep ost that i replied to wa sonly made on 13th
[21:37] jaguar: i didnt know that was old
[21:38] ~rw~ahsroth: a week with no posts generally means a thread is
getting stale.
[21:39] jaguar: please stop reviving threads that have been dead for a
while. it's getting annoying. if you were getting to know me and i
said that to you you wouldnt findf that offensive?
[21:39] ~rw~ahsroth: and i apologise if you found it offensive, but
believe me, you're going to need to learn to take constructive
criticism.
[21:39] jaguar: i can take it
[03:04] jaguar: that isnt all of it
[03:05] ~rw~neolith: well, part of your post in the pepness ftp hosting
was pointless. ps to pepsi should have been sent to him in a pm.
[03:06] jaguar: 21:40] ~rw~ahsroth: then please do.
[21:40] jaguar: i jsut wish that you would have said it in a diff
way like can yo uplease quit posting on old threads there daed, you
didnt have to say its annoying
[21:40] jaguar: but im not going to argue
[21:40] ~rw~ahsroth: the first thing you will learn about me is that i
do not sugarcoat things. i say it how it is.
[21:40] jaguar: i wont post
[21:40] ~rw~ahsroth: it's annoying, so i said so.
[21:41] jaguar: but certian ppl can take offense thas all i msaying
[21:41] jaguar: im sorry
[21:41] jaguar: i wont post any mroe
[21:41] ~rw~ahsroth: by all means, post. but post on the new threads.
[21:41] jaguar: there are nonoe
[21:41] jaguar: none
[21:41] jaguar: none i can respond to
[21:42] ~rw~ahsroth: i beg to differ.
[21:42] jaguar: and i dont know what is old and what is new in your
eyes
[21:44] ~rw~ahsroth: *sigh* what i'm saying is, posting in threads just
for the sake of posting doesn't help us get to know you. it just comes
off as spamming, and doesn't do you any good. making constructive posts
does. the old posts issue wouldn't have been a problem, except there
was no point to the majority of those posts.
[21:45] jaguar: ok then
conversation ended: thu, jun 21 21:45:37 2007
conversation started between jaguar and ~rw~ahsroth: thu, jun 21
21:48:02 2007
[21:48] ~rw~ahsroth: are we done, then? or is there anything else you
have a problem with?
[21:49] jaguar: iaint got anythnig else t osay about it except for
the fact that i know your a clan leadere and all and you have power
but you still need to make sure that your being to upfront with
people like in that thread dsoent happen to much casue i really feel
that it could keep some ppl from joinin
[21:51] ~rw~ahsroth: if people cannot handle the way we are, they do
not belong with us anyway. rw is a family, we're not in this to get the
most members, we're in this because we're a group of good friends who
want to hang out and play games together.
[21:54] jaguar: its one thnig to be a family true and you may be only
in it as a grup of friends alot of ppl can take criticisim however it
still dosent mean that you should be that way i know this will prob
hurt me from getting into rw casue when i see a problem i try and fix
it but hey thas how i am as a person i would like to join rw but i
would like to be treated as a person and not some person that you
talk all mean to i do have feelings and that thread kinda hurt a
little and i can take some issues welll but ther was jsut no
reason for that.
[22:00] ~rw~ahsroth: okay, firstly, if you think that's me being mean,
you're in for a shock if i actually do decide to be mean. i did not
intend to hurt your feelings, but i am honest. i pride myself on it. rw
doesn't see that as a problem. i felt there was reason for it, and it's
my prerogative to do so. the rest of rw, i'm sure, would back me
completely.
[22:00] jaguar: im sure tehy will
[22:01] jaguar: and still you have yet to apologize
[22:01] jaguar: but thas ok
[22:02] ~rw~ahsroth: apologise for what?
[22:02] jaguar: for being rude in the forums
[22:02] jaguar: i mean
[22:02] jaguar: no ofense
[22:02] jaguar: but i know your a family clan would you psot that
about any oen else? or no
[22:03] jaguar: you could have given me some slack
[22:03] ~rw~ahsroth: yes. i would.
[22:03] ~rw~ahsroth: and i don't see any reason why i should give you
some slack.
[22:04] jaguar: mabye casue im mew to rw forusm
[22:04] jaguar: fourms
[22:04] jaguar: i didnt know there was a rule about posting in old
threads alot of forums where i come from a week is new lol
[22:04] ~rw~ahsroth: that's why i did it. because you're new and don't
know how we do things.
[22:04] jaguar: so instead of jstyfiny a raeason you call me annying
[22:05] jaguar: justyfing
[22:05] ~rw~ahsroth: i didn't call you annoying. i called what you were
doing annoying.
[22:06] jaguar: yea its the same thing you
[03:06] jaguar: dont know me at all im not annoying im jsut makin a
complaint right now casue i found that post sorta rude that is all
now if i was a memberr yea diff story i should be called annoying but
im new.
[22:08] ~rw~ahsroth: i didn't say you were annoying. read it over. and
i was nicer than some would have been if they'd decided to say
something. and i still see no reason why you should be treated
differently from anyone else.
[22:10] jaguar: you dont have to apologise
[22:10] jaguar: thas fine
[22:10] jaguar: ttyl
[22:11] ~rw~ahsroth: i wasn't going to anyway. bye.
[22:11] jaguar: i know
[22:12] jaguar: i will speak with the other leaders
[22:12] jaguar: a well
[22:12] ~rw~ahsroth: about what?
[22:12] jaguar: becasue im goin to get there opinions on it
[22:12] ~rw~ahsroth: okay. have fun with that.
[22:12] jaguar: will do
conversation ended: fri, jun 22 00:33:17 2007
[03:06] jaguar: there that is all
[03:06] jaguar: and i thought that it would do good to post
[03:06] jaguar: i dont understand why you jsut dont lock up old posts
then this wouldnt have happened
[03:07] jaguar: every forum moderator i know of locks there old
posts up to keep ppl from spamming
[03:07] jaguar: but this isnt the reason i got kicked and i feel i
deserve a reason
[03:48] jaguar: i still feel like i deserve an exsplanation why iwas
kiced
conversation ended: fri, jun 22 03:56:39 2007
conversation started between ~rw~neolith and jaguar: fri, jun 22
04:25:45 2007
[04:25] jaguar: well its not worth it any more there are other clans
out there that i can join and im not goin to stress over this one
seeriously in the future you need to start lockin threads so ppl wont
get mixed up this isnt totally my fault
[04:26] jaguar: just my opinion
[04:27] jaguar: and if the forums are that strict and ppl get so
offended and annoye dat reading posts that arent for them then i dont
think ill be goin back to your fourms either
[04:28] jaguar: i will be sure to tell people about your wonderful clan
and my experience there good day
[04:31] ~rw~neolith: at least half of your posts were in threads that
had not been posted in for 2 - 3 weeks or more. they were along the
lines of, "hi so and so my name is jaguar, my xfire is
vanhelsing001..." that gets old fast. if people want to contact you
they will find yoru info in your profile. if you want to contact
someone pm them or contact them directly with the info in their profile
info.
[04:32] jaguar: i wont have to wrry about that any more casue im not
going back tothat forum its to strict you ppl need ot realize its
jsut for fun not nothing serious l
[04:33] ~rw~neolith: there is no need to act overly offended when
someone finds your actions annoying and then calls you on it. reacting
in the way you did only made the situation worse. if you had taken the
critique and modified your posting there wouldn't be any problem right
now.
[04:34] jaguar: i found it extremley rude tehy way it was carried
out a mature officer would not have worded it like that tehy would
have been respectful about it
[04:34] jaguar: people react to thnigs in many ways i knew that you
would take asroths side in this casue she is a friend
[04:34] jaguar: however
[04:35] ~rw~neolith: i don't know what to tell you man. i'm really
sorry this happened, but you made it worse by pressing the issue with
ahsroth. demanding an appology from her didn't help. continuing to
tell her the post should have been locked didn't help either.
[04:35] jaguar: idc about asroth i have been told many bad thnigs
about her and it only proves my point
[04:37] jaguar: the way that she described herself saying she was
to the point and dosent sugar coat it that makes no sense there is
still morals and still a certian respect that each person must
deliver and when i read that post she made it made me have less
respect for her casue she still coulf have been mature and worded it
correctly
[04:37] ~rw~neolith: you aren't paying any attention to what i've
explained to you. i'm trying to be nice to you but it is irritating
for you do act that way.
[04:37] jaguar: you jsut kicked me from your clan how nice do you
want me to be?
[04:38] jaguar: you kickec me over somethnig so simple and so
insignificant
[04:38] jaguar: that it makes me stop and say you know what this
clan isnt worth it and my mind is right it isnt but i sure hope in
the future when you have more recruits that they are treated diffrently
[04:40] jaguar: i dont haveanythnig else to say goood bye
[04:40] ~rw~neolith: first, you submitted your application for review.
we didn't even accept you as a recruit, so you weren't even in yet.
you weren't kicked out of the clan if you weren't even accepted yet.
you continuing to behave like this is was caused your recruitment
application to be turned down. you did this by behaving just the way
you are behaving right now. you are acting rude right now so don't
tell me we are being rude.
[04:40] jaguar: idc anymore
[04:41] jaguar: bye
[04:41] jaguar: its not worth it
[04:41] jaguar: there are higher ranked clans and better ones out
there for me to join that are ran by leaders that know what tehy are
doing
[04:41] jaguar: you say i havent listned to anythnig you have said i
have
[04:42] jaguar: and like isaid
[04:42] jaguar: i have been to several forums
[04:42] jaguar: where that wasnt a prob
[04:42] jaguar: this is the first forum i have been to that had a prob
[04:42] ~rw~neolith: i'm sorry you feel that way. a "sour grapes"
attitude doesn't help put you in a better light. if you would have
just calmed down and cooled your heels it wouldn't have gotten to this.
[04:42] jaguar: but thas jsut it
[04:43] jaguar: if i had it to do all over again i would nt have
changed 1 thnig
[04:43] jaguar: i did no wrong
[04:43] jaguar: iwasnt name calling noone
[04:43] jaguar: iwas jsut wanting t oknow
[04:43] jaguar: what idid
[04:45] jaguar: and the thign is i got no prob with authority its
good tohave but im not going to have some kid disrespect me in the
fourms either so yea i dont regret it
[04:45] ~rw~neolith: i'm not going to argue with you over xfire. you
haven't really read what i said or you would get it. i'm sorry if you
feel we have been mean. i'm sorry if you feel we are too strict or
that we are rude. that is all. have a nice morning.
[04:46] jaguar: im not going to argue either point is leave it at
that i wont come to your servers or forums or ts and i cna jsut be
forgotten bye
conversation ended: fri, jun 22 04:59:50 2007