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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Doug Singsen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Video of Sept 24 arrests Sunday, September 25, 2011 9:35:24 PM
Yes, cops have families to support and can't afford to lose their jobs, and the police force enforces obedience. But precisely because of these reasons, cops are always one of the last social forces to support change of any kind, whether it's reform or revolution. Their job is to enforce the existing order of class, race, gender and property relations. That's their job. And many cops embrace this. Not all, but many. The point here isn't to be moralistic and bash the cops, but to be realistic for our own sake and the sake of the movement and understand the real motivations and dynamics of the police. It doesn't really matter what any individual cop wants or believes, or even what the rank and file collectively wants or believes. They can not afford to switch sides. And historically, in virtually every revolution, the police do not go over to the side of the revolution: they hold out until the bitter end. The army is a different story. The key tipping point of most revolutions happens when the rank and file of the army switches sides. And when it comes to the application of physical force, the army trumps the police every time, so when the army switches sides that's usually the end of the show, and the police go into hiding. But the time very rarely comes when the police ever act in solidarity with protesters: can you name a single instance in US history when that has happened? Doug On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: Gee, Doug. Some cops may have families to support and stuff, and the police culture (or even their union) isn't really known for being friendly to dissent. I know that it sucks and they are doing awful stuff, but honestly, their sympathy is important. Because there will come a time when we will need the cops, and many of them will be on our side. Not their bosses and the mayor's cronies who give the orders, but there will be some in the rank and file who will be on our side when push comes to shove.
On Sep 25, 2011, at 8:25 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: Some cops may be "in sympathy" with us, but have they ever disobeyed orders to crack down on us, or any protesters anywhere, for that matter, when the orders came down? No. Their "sympathy" is ultimately worthless. On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 10:14 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: I don't know. But a blue shirt cop told me:
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1. They don't get told anything until the last minute 2. He's in complete sympathy with us 3. The reason there was such a large presence last night was the cops saw on the livefeed that we were planning another march to Wall Street at 7. Not sure if that is true or they mixed it up with the GA. On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 11:50 AM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
Why is it so often the officers in white shirts that are the most violent?
On 09/25/11, grimwomyn<grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: http://youtu.be/QDyrQpccfgw http://youtu.be/15Bg3EoA2J4 http://youtu.be/moD2JnGTToA http://youtu.be/a1LR5sPJcUk These are just a few of the videos that made it online... there are many-- and they are staying up on youtube I hope that the girls who were pepper sprayed get a gigantic settlement from nyc On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Elysa Lozano <elysalozano@googlemail.com> wrote: Hello, I was wondering if anyone/group is collecting videos of individual arrests. I know some folks who would love access to theirs at this point. Wondered if this was being centralized at all? Or if people happened to take video of individuals being taken down? Elysa
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Video of Sept 24 arrests Sunday, September 25, 2011 9:52:28 AM
http://youtu.be/QDyrQpccfgw http://youtu.be/15Bg3EoA2J4 http://youtu.be/moD2JnGTToA http://youtu.be/a1LR5sPJcUk These are just a few of the videos that made it online... there are many-- and they are staying up on youtube I hope that the girls who were pepper sprayed get a gigantic settlement from nyc On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Elysa Lozano <elysalozano@googlemail.com> wrote: Hello, I was wondering if anyone/group is collecting videos of individual arrests. I know some folks who would love access to theirs at this point. Wondered if this was being centralized at all? Or if people happened to take video of individuals being taken down? Elysa
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of NicolasMoselleAllen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] VIjay Prashad"s Article: "The Philosophy Behind Occupy Wall Street" Essential Reading!! Wednesday, September 28, 2011 12:34:58 PM
Sorry!! http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/09/26/the-philosophy-behind-occupy-wall-street/ On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:31 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > can you forward the link? > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:21 PM, NicolasMoselleAllen > <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Vijay Prashad, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vijay_Prashad, just >> published this piece in counterpunch about finance capital and the >> reason why we are occupying wall street. >> Mandatory reading! Discussions!! Lots of kids at the encampment are >> confused. A fellow approached me last night at Liberty Plaza, asking >> if I was interested in joining his BDSM affinity group...concerned. >> >> Nico > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] VIjay Prashad"s Article: "The Philosophy Behind Occupy Wall Street" Essential Reading!! Wednesday, September 28, 2011 12:42:26 PM
no worries-- thanks! On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:34 PM, NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: Sorry!! http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/09/26/the-philosophy-behind-occupy-wallstreet/ On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:31 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > can you forward the link? > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:21 PM, NicolasMoselleAllen > <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Vijay Prashad, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vijay_Prashad, just >> published this piece in counterpunch about finance capital and the >> reason why we are occupying wall street. >> Mandatory reading! Discussions!! Lots of kids at the encampment are >> confused. A fellow approached me last night at Liberty Plaza, asking >> if I was interested in joining his BDSM affinity group...concerned. >> >> Nico > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] VIjay Prashad"s Article: "The Philosophy Behind Occupy Wall Street" Essential Reading!! Wednesday, September 28, 2011 12:32:00 PM
can you forward the link? On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:21 PM, NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: Vijay Prashad, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vijay_Prashad, just published this piece in counterpunch about finance capital and the reason why we are occupying wall street. Mandatory reading! Discussions!! Lots of kids at the encampment are confused. A fellow approached me last night at Liberty Plaza, asking if I was interested in joining his BDSM affinity group...concerned. Nico
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of MAd Hatter september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] We are the 99% Open Forum every weekday at Liberty Sq at 6pm Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:37:56 PM
Awesome! Great work. On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 11:17 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: > Great! > Lauren, I don't see this posted at the OccupyWallStreet.org calendar. I'm copying Justine, could you please include this? > > On Sep 27, 2011, at 11:10 PM, Lauren wrote: > >> Hello! As we announced at the GA, we have started the We are the 99% >> Open Forum at Liberty Square. >> >> The idea is to have a daily 6pm discussion on economics and politics >> that are relevant to the goals of the protest. Each Open Forum starts >> with an introductory presentation on a topic by a volunteer. After the >> presentation, there is an open discussion on the days theme. >> >> Today the theme revolved around "The sovereignity of debt". Around 30 >> people gathered around, many of them passerbys. After the presentation >> we invite them to join the working groups and participate in future >> forums. >> >> Thursday at 6pm is How to tax millionaires. We meet in the part of the >> park that is accross the burger king. Keep giving out ideas! > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Michael Strom september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] We are the 99% Open Forum every weekday at Liberty Sq at 6pm Wednesday, September 28, 2011 7:37:55 AM
This is great! I was hoping a popular education program like this would be put together. Thanks. =) But I do have a question about something I'm in the process of pulling together for Thursday. I'm a member of a group called Organizing for Occupation (O4O: o4onyc.org), a grassroots organization that works to actualize the human right to housing through direct action. One of the lead organizers of O4O, Karen Gargamelli, would like to come speak at Liberty Plaza on Thursday at 6pm about the housing crisis, O4O's work, and what we can do bring together and support our struggles. O4O members fighting through foreclosure and/or homelessness would come and speak as well. One of the goals of this discussion will be to establish relationships between Occupy Wall Street and O4O folks in hopes of organizing a series of anti-foreclosure actions next week. I know that 6pm on Thursday is the only time Karen can come this week. Is there any way that we could combine this with Thursday's 99% Open Forum? Maybe switch things around so that Thursday's topic is housing-related? I think working with O4O would be beneficial and strategic on a number of levels (help us build relationships with community orgs, put our movement in deeper conversation with lived struggles of this city, help build momentum through strategic action, etc), and I rather not have two simultaneous events take away from each others' attendance. Thoughts? -Michael
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of MAd Hatter september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] We are the 99% Open Forum every weekday at Liberty Sq at 6pm Wednesday, September 28, 2011 8:51:37 AM
Yes. Consider it done. Can you write a brief blurb on your event so we can publicize it. On Wednesday, September 28, 2011, Michael Strom <michael.g.strom@gmail.com> wrote: > This is great! I was hoping a popular education program like this would be put together. Thanks. =) > But I do have a question about something I'm in the process of pulling together for Thursday. I'm a member of a group called Organizing for Occupation (O4O: o4onyc.org), a grassroots organization that works to actualize the human right to housing through direct action. One of the lead organizers of O4O, Karen Gargamelli, would like to come speak at Liberty Plaza on Thursday at 6pm about the housing crisis, O4O's work, and what we can do bring together and support our struggles. O4O members fighting through foreclosure and/or homelessness would come and speak as well. > One of the goals of this discussion will be to establish relationships between Occupy Wall Street and O4O folks in hopes of organizing a series of anti-foreclosure actions next week. > I know that 6pm on Thursday is the only time Karen can come this week. Is there any way that we could combine this with Thursday's 99% Open Forum? Maybe switch things around so that Thursday's topic is housing-related? > I think working with O4O would be beneficial and strategic on a number of levels (help us build relationships with community orgs, put our movement in deeper conversation with lived struggles of this city, help build momentum through strategic action, etc), and I rather not have two simultaneous events take away from each others' attendance. > Thoughts? > -Michael >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Luis Moreno-Caballud september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] We are the 99% Open Forum every weekday at Liberty Sq at 6pm Wednesday, September 28, 2011 9:22:58 AM
Absolutely, Michael! Some of us at the General Assembly and OccupyWallStreet have been participating in O4O's great solidarity actions. I'm so glad you wrote! This is a great moment for convergence. I'm from Spain and I was there a month during last summer: they have stopped around 70 evictions there, because the housing rights movement is fully coordinated with the wider "indignados" or May 15th movement. Something similar can and will happen here. Solidarity!
On Sep 28, 2011, at 8:51 AM, MAd Hatter wrote: Yes. Consider it done. Can you write a brief blurb on your event so we can publicize it. On Wednesday, September 28, 2011, Michael Strom <michael.g.strom@gmail.com> wrote: > This is great! I was hoping a popular education program like this would be put together. Thanks. =) > But I do have a question about something I'm in the process of pulling together for Thursday. I'm a member of a group called Organizing for Occupation (O4O: o4onyc.org), a grassroots organization that works to actualize the human right to housing through direct action. One of the lead organizers of O4O, Karen Gargamelli, would like to come speak at Liberty Plaza on Thursday at 6pm about the housing crisis, O4O's work, and what we can do bring together and support our struggles. O4O members fighting through foreclosure and/or homelessness would come and speak as well. > One of the goals of this discussion will be to establish relationships between Occupy Wall Street and O4O folks in hopes of organizing a series of anti-foreclosure actions next week. > I know that 6pm on Thursday is the only time Karen can come this week. Is there any way that we could combine this with Thursday's 99% Open Forum? Maybe switch things around so that Thursday's topic is housing-related? > I think working with O4O would be beneficial and strategic on a number of levels (help us build relationships with community orgs, put our movement in deeper conversation with lived struggles of this city, help build momentum through strategic action, etc), and I rather not have two simultaneous events take away from each others' attendance. > Thoughts? > -Michael >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Luis Moreno-Caballud september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] We are the 99% Open Forum every weekday at Liberty Sq at 6pm Tuesday, September 27, 2011 11:18:05 PM
Great! Lauren, I don't see this posted at the OccupyWallStreet.org calendar. I'm copying Justine, could you please include this? On Sep 27, 2011, at 11:10 PM, Lauren wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello! As we announced at the GA, we have started the We are the 99% Open Forum at Liberty Square. The idea is to have a daily 6pm discussion on economics and politics that are relevant to the goals of the protest. Each Open Forum starts with an introductory presentation on a topic by a volunteer. After the presentation, there is an open discussion on the days theme. Today the theme revolved around "The sovereignity of debt". Around 30 people gathered around, many of them passerbys. After the presentation we invite them to join the working groups and participate in future forums. Thursday at 6pm is How to tax millionaires. We meet in the part of the park that is accross the burger king. Keep giving out ideas!
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Winter Siroco september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] What do we tell the world? Tuesday, September 27, 2011 8:41:55 AM
Good re-start. In addition to presenting proposals for the FORMAT about our definition in message, statement, demand or goals, we should discuss proposals about HOW the process of elaborating the political definition should work. We could have a working group or several working alternative statements, etc. . We are not a very diverse group, so, we should try to be as inclusive as possible in the process of framing of our political though. We should not be thinking in terms what do we say to the world but about what do we want. By the way, do not start a new thread about this discussion, thanks. Cesar On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 1:49 AM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: There was a proposal made at the facilitating working group right before things really started getting ugly.* I don't remember the name of the person who made it, but she had a brilliant idea and it sucks that we didn't pick up on it. The idea was: We need consensus on the form of any message, statement, or demand from Occupy Wall Street before we can even begin to discuss its content. What does that mean? It means that there's a whole bunch of different kinds of things we can say, and they all have different purposes and effects, and there are different processes for creating each. An oversimplification follows: A statement of principles talks about who we are. A statement of goals talks about what we want to accomplish. A list of demands talks about how we want to effect change. A call to action talks about why we exist. Will we have a numbered list? A single slogan? A few paragraphs? A single paragraph and then a bulleted list? A meme? An all-singing, all-dancing, disco revival extravaganza? There are even more ways to say things than this, and *really* well-written one can say several of these things at once. We should, at some point, have all of them. But right now it's important to agree which one(s) we will create this week. I'd like this to be a proposal at the next GA but I won't be around tomorrow, so if someone agrees with me please step up and adopt this. I don't know if it should be a working group or just straight to the GA. Thoughts? Solidarity,
Jon * I want to apologize for the role I had in the uglification of that meeting. I felt a lot of pressure from outside that something needed to be said today, and this made it hard for me to think clearly and hard to realize when I should check my privilege.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gabjoh2@gmail.com september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] www.nycga.org is shut down Wednesday, September 28, 2011 6:23:14 PM
Yep, nycga.net or nycga.cc; the former redirects to the latter. What was on the .org? --glj Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry From: J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> Sender: september17@googlegroups.com Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 18:19:41 -0400 To: <september17@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: september17@googlegroups.com Cc: J.A. Myerson<jesse.myerson@gmail.com>; Joshua van Praag<jvanpraag@me.com>; globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com<globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com>; globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com<globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com>; Lauri Faggioni<lfaggioni@me.com> Subject: Re: [september17discuss] www.nycga.org is shut down was nycga.org ever ours? the domain was nycga.net i thought On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:16 PM, L. W. Wind <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: someone has been PWND --Ms. Wind
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of J Wedes september17@googlegroups.com J.A. Myerson; Joshua van Praag; globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com; globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com; Lauri Faggioni Re: [september17discuss] www.nycga.org is shut down Wednesday, September 28, 2011 6:20:07 PM
was nycga.org ever ours? the domain was nycga.net i thought On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:16 PM, L. W. Wind <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: someone has been PWND --Ms. Wind
globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com on behalf of Joshua van Praag september17@googlegroups.com september17@googlegroups.com; J.A. Myerson; globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com; globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com; Lauri Faggioni Re: [september17discuss] www.nycga.org is shut down Wednesday, September 28, 2011 6:23:39 PM
Got it -- I'll fix it! Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 On Sep 28, 2011, at 6:19 PM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: was nycga.org ever ours? the domain was nycga.net i thought On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:16 PM, L. W. Wind <play.reality@gmail.com> wrote: someone has been PWND --Ms. Wind
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Bralow september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] YouTube Status? Sunday, September 25, 2011 10:30:35 PM
that rocks! you're right, it's not cheap! (and now people can watch from a smartphone on MOBILE devices!... http://m.livestream.com browser On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 6:04 PM, M C <tebefoto@yahoo.com> wrote: > Woo hoo great news!! > I felt uncomfortable too, having to watch american express commercial before > every video on 'global revolution' channel. > And premium account on livestream is quite not cheap, so this is totally > great news! > > Maria > ________________________________ > From: Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> > To: "september17@googlegroups.com" <september17@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 4:36 PM > Subject: Re: [september17discuss] YouTube Status? > > Just FYI> Livestream sent an email today saying they were upgrading us to premium at > no charge. Said ad providers felt uncomfortable about the content. > Something 2 keep in mind w advertising > > Justin Wedes > Activist & Educator, Brooklyn > Use your voice! > Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org > Twitter: NYCPubSchooler >~ > There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at > USUncut.org/yeslab >~ > On Sep 22, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Harrison Schultz <schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: > > Sounds good Drew, > Micah, > We'll get it before the GA for discussion because I happen to think its a > good idea, > I would also point out that you pointed out earlier today I believe that > that radicals around the world have been funding us and that the money will > eventually run out. Monetizing YouTube content is one way to help make this > occupation financially autonomous. Recycling our message and using it to > feed people here seems like a good idea to me and to those of my comrades > I've suggested it to. I would also point out that omitting of the "..." > portion of my comment strips it of its context. You just admonished me and > told me to be respectful of the different perspectives that each of us is > bringing to this occupation. I thought we we're going to try to start > playing nice. > Harrison > 646 706 1734 > > On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Drew Hornbein <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: >
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I can bring this up at the internet working group meeting today at 5pm @ liberty plaza. We can then bring it to the assembly. -Drew On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: Monetize #OCCUPYWALLSTREET? You want to put corporate advertising on #OCCUPYWALLSTREET videos? On August 20th, you wrote to Adbusters and said: "My scheme is to commodify any traffic I manage to successfully drive to the occupywallst.org site, open it up and sell it as advertising space to corporations..." and "A Corporate Funded Revolution is a contradiction in terms, its practically an oxymoron. Something we've never considered before. It's a revolutionary plan..." I think you should take this "Corporate Funded Revolution" to the GA for discussion. Micah On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Harrison Schultz <schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: Hey Gang, I forgot to mention that one of my youtube clips of Reverend Billy's preaching on the 17th has blown up. Google has invited me to monetize my clips. Moreover, my boss, from a publicly traded marketing company who thinks we've all done a killer job, has offered to help me learn how to use adsense to make some cash for the occupation. Does anyone know if a central YouTube channel has been built for this? In solidarity, Harrison
globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com on behalf of Joshua van Praag globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: assembly 8pm at one liberty plaza by tomorrow tusday Tuesday, September 27, 2011 1:36:27 PM
Media comrades I'm shooting uptown today, won't be done until late so I won't be able to attend this. If someone takes notes from this evening's meeting maybe they could be circulated on this listserve. Big love! Josh Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 On Sep 27, 2011, at 1:53 AM, nikky schiller <nikkyschiller@gmail.com> wrote: > we will meet you there > all the best > viva la revolucin
globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com on behalf of Joshua van Praag globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com Re: Camera Tuesday, September 27, 2011 4:57:03 PM
Thx Nikky -- please keep it dry :-) Jx Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 On Sep 27, 2011, at 2:50 PM, nikky schiller <nikkyschiller@gmail.com> wrote: ey there is hdv camera with big lens and micro it is here and i think i have your charger, ask me for it :) when you see me On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com> wrote: Can someone just confirm that my silver HV20 with wide angle adaptor and shotgun mike is within sight / in a safe place? I know Maria was running it to stream the GA when I left last night. I just ask that it be water protected if the rain comes in -- it's our only working HV camera until we get those others in Thx Josh Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952
globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com on behalf of nikky schiller globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com Re: Camera Tuesday, September 27, 2011 2:50:52 PM
ey there is hdv camera with big lens and micro it is here and i think i have your charger, ask me for it :) when you see me On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com> wrote: Can someone just confirm that my silver HV20 with wide angle adaptor and shotgun mike is within sight / in a safe place? I know Maria was running it to stream the GA when I left last night. I just ask that it be water protected if the rain comes in -- it's our only working HV camera until we get those others in Thx Josh Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952
globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com on behalf of Joshua van Praag globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Re: Livefeed audio Tuesday, September 27, 2011 6:20:58 PM
We seem to be using the old 'globalrevolutionTV' and the new 'globalrevolutionMEDIA' Can I suggest that we consolidate to one of these and make sure all who need to be are on the listserve. Let me know how I can help with this -- I'm not presently an administrator... Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 On Sep 27, 2011, at 5:58 PM, Maria C <forgottenimage@hotmail.com> wrote: +1 always. for making it real. audio, video, everything! we are collecting crazy amount of donations and still there is the ad asking for more in every video, but still stream most of the time using webcam from one angle. makes me feel bad for those people who follow GR and send money. i think it all comes from/to organization and communication points, which i suggest to make our main agenda points this evening. looking forward to see you all in a couple hours peace maria
Subject: Fwd: Livefeed audio From: jvanpraag@me.com Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 17:37:59 -0400 To: globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com; globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Email below is typical of comments from livestream and from friends and colleagues who have been watching, are fascinated and want to be a part of this even if they can't physically be in the square: but they're having problems hearing what's being said in the assemblies. I know this came up during our meeting on Sunday night and it may be on the agenda for this eve's meeting but since I'll be absent for that I just wanted to let you know that I've reached out to a movie sound crew who are interested in consulting -- I'm explaining the logistics of the
setup and they're coming up with a few creative wireless solutions for us, which will vary in price. I'll keep you posted on this info but I suggest we meet Thurs to discuss. I also think I would be great to try mixing a more coordinated multicamera shoot of the GA, as was also discussed on Sunday night. Not sure if the 4G box has been tested yet but I would be great to throw a couple of 5Ds in the mix, with long lense capability so we can start to get some nice close angles. I have a 5D and lense package which I intend to continue covering the occupation with. Can I suggest that we plan to try this by Friday's pm GA? I have a feeling if we ramp up our efforts we may see the number of viewers start to increase. Let me know what y'all think Solidaridad Josh Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 Begin forwarded message: From: Lauri Faggioni <lfaggioni@mac.com> Date: September 27, 2011 3:22:03 PM EDT To: Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com> Subject: hey Hey Sweetheart, I wanted to ask you something. I want to get the media team some wireless mics for the live feed. You can legally use though right, if they aren't amplified? You know I am an avid watcher of the live feed because I want to be a part of the evolution of this discussion and I'm stuck at work most of the time. I want to hear what they are saying and even with the peoples microphone it so hard to hear. The mic on the camera is to close to the media center so you hear all the chatter over there and not what is being discussed. I keep sending people the link to the live feed so they can see how amazing the discussions are down there but they can't understand what they are saying. I think it's so important that people understand this is not a movement that claims to have all the answers or has mapped specific demands. It's the dialogue that is imperative for all of us figuring out the best way to get off the disastrous path we are on. So hearing the conversation is so very important I think especially during the general
assemblies. It seems that the majority of the time people come to the front to speak. Maybe they can pass the mic around around up there or one person could be in charge of getting it close to people when they speak? I don't know shit about wireless mics. Do ones exists that are universal to all cameras? Would this even work? Tell me what you know... xxx
globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matt Renner globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com Re: Livefeed audio Tuesday, September 27, 2011 6:54:52 PM
Unwatchable for me. Sometimes it gets better for a few seconds then goes back to skipping. On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Matt Renner <matthew43@gmail.com> wrote: I figure you all know this already, but the live stream audio is shuddering and stuttering. -Matt On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com> wrote: We seem to be using the old 'globalrevolutionTV' and the new 'globalrevolutionMEDIA' Can I suggest that we consolidate to one of these and make sure all who need to be are on the listserve. Let me know how I can help with this -- I'm not presently an administrator... Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 On Sep 27, 2011, at 5:58 PM, Maria C <forgottenimage@hotmail.com> wrote: +1 always. for making it real. audio, video, everything! we are collecting crazy amount of donations and still there is the ad asking for more in every video, but still stream most of the time using webcam from one angle. makes me feel bad for those people who follow GR and send money. i think it all comes from/to organization and communication points, which i suggest to make our main agenda points this evening. looking forward to see you all in a couple hours peace maria
Subject: Fwd: Livefeed audio From: jvanpraag@me.com Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 17:37:59 -0400
To: globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com; globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Email below is typical of comments from livestream and from friends and colleagues who have been watching, are fascinated and want to be a part of this even if they can't physically be in the square: but they're having problems hearing what's being said in the assemblies. I know this came up during our meeting on Sunday night and it may be on the agenda for this eve's meeting but since I'll be absent for that I just wanted to let you know that I've reached out to a movie sound crew who are interested in consulting -- I'm explaining the logistics of the setup and they're coming up with a few creative wireless solutions for us, which will vary in price. I'll keep you posted on this info but I suggest we meet Thurs to discuss. I also think I would be great to try mixing a more coordinated multicamera shoot of the GA, as was also discussed on Sunday night. Not sure if the 4G box has been tested yet but I would be great to throw a couple of 5Ds in the mix, with long lense capability so we can start to get some nice close angles. I have a 5D and lense package which I intend to continue covering the occupation with. Can I suggest that we plan to try this by Friday's pm GA? I have a feeling if we ramp up our efforts we may see the number of viewers start to increase. Let me know what y'all think Solidaridad Josh Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 Begin forwarded message: From: Lauri Faggioni <lfaggioni@mac.com> Date: September 27, 2011 3:22:03 PM EDT To: Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com> Subject: hey Hey Sweetheart, I wanted to ask you something. I want to get the media team some wireless mics for the live feed. You can legally use though right, if they aren't amplified? You know I am an avid watcher of the live feed because I want to be a part of the evolution of this discussion and I'm stuck at
work most of the time. I want to hear what they are saying and even with the peoples microphone it so hard to hear. The mic on the camera is to close to the media center so you hear all the chatter over there and not what is being discussed. I keep sending people the link to the live feed so they can see how amazing the discussions are down there but they can't understand what they are saying. I think it's so important that people understand this is not a movement that claims to have all the answers or has mapped specific demands. It's the dialogue that is imperative for all of us figuring out the best way to get off the disastrous path we are on. So hearing the conversation is so very important I think especially during the general assemblies. It seems that the majority of the time people come to the front to speak. Maybe they can pass the mic around around up there or one person could be in charge of getting it close to people when they speak? I don't know shit about wireless mics. Do ones exists that are universal to all cameras? Would this even work? Tell me what you know... xxx
I figure you all know this already, but the live stream audio is shuddering and stuttering. -Matt On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com> wrote: We seem to be using the old 'globalrevolutionTV' and the new 'globalrevolutionMEDIA' Can I suggest that we consolidate to one of these and make sure all who need to be are on the listserve. Let me know how I can help with this -- I'm not presently an administrator... Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 On Sep 27, 2011, at 5:58 PM, Maria C <forgottenimage@hotmail.com> wrote: +1 always. for making it real. audio, video, everything! we are collecting crazy amount of donations and still there is the ad asking for more in every video, but still stream most of the time using webcam from one angle. makes me feel bad for those people who follow GR and send money. i think it all comes from/to organization and communication points, which i suggest to make our main agenda points this evening. looking forward to see you all in a couple hours peace maria
Subject: Fwd: Livefeed audio From: jvanpraag@me.com Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 17:37:59 -0400 To: globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com; globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Email below is typical of comments from livestream and from friends and colleagues who have been watching, are fascinated and want to be a part of this even if they can't physically be in the square: but they're
having problems hearing what's being said in the assemblies. I know this came up during our meeting on Sunday night and it may be on the agenda for this eve's meeting but since I'll be absent for that I just wanted to let you know that I've reached out to a movie sound crew who are interested in consulting -- I'm explaining the logistics of the setup and they're coming up with a few creative wireless solutions for us, which will vary in price. I'll keep you posted on this info but I suggest we meet Thurs to discuss. I also think I would be great to try mixing a more coordinated multicamera shoot of the GA, as was also discussed on Sunday night. Not sure if the 4G box has been tested yet but I would be great to throw a couple of 5Ds in the mix, with long lense capability so we can start to get some nice close angles. I have a 5D and lense package which I intend to continue covering the occupation with. Can I suggest that we plan to try this by Friday's pm GA? I have a feeling if we ramp up our efforts we may see the number of viewers start to increase. Let me know what y'all think Solidaridad Josh Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 Begin forwarded message: From: Lauri Faggioni <lfaggioni@mac.com> Date: September 27, 2011 3:22:03 PM EDT To: Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com> Subject: hey Hey Sweetheart, I wanted to ask you something. I want to get the media team some wireless mics for the live feed. You can legally use though right, if they aren't amplified? You know I am an avid watcher of the live feed because I want to be a part of the evolution of this discussion and I'm stuck at work most of the time. I want to hear what they are saying and even with the peoples microphone it so hard to hear. The mic on the camera is to close to the media center so you hear all the chatter over there and not what is being discussed. I keep sending people the link to the live feed so they can see how amazing the discussions are down there but they can't
understand what they are saying. I think it's so important that people understand this is not a movement that claims to have all the answers or has mapped specific demands. It's the dialogue that is imperative for all of us figuring out the best way to get off the disastrous path we are on. So hearing the conversation is so very important I think especially during the general assemblies. It seems that the majority of the time people come to the front to speak. Maybe they can pass the mic around around up there or one person could be in charge of getting it close to people when they speak? I don't know shit about wireless mics. Do ones exists that are universal to all cameras? Would this even work? Tell me what you know... xxx
Could it be a bandwidth issue? Too many computers using the same wireless? On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Matt Renner <matthew43@gmail.com> wrote: Unwatchable for me. Sometimes it gets better for a few seconds then goes back to skipping. On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Matt Renner <matthew43@gmail.com> wrote: I figure you all know this already, but the live stream audio is shuddering and stuttering. -Matt On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com> wrote: We seem to be using the old 'globalrevolutionTV' and the new 'globalrevolutionMEDIA' Can I suggest that we consolidate to one of these and make sure all who need to be are on the listserve. Let me know how I can help with this -- I'm not presently an administrator... Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 On Sep 27, 2011, at 5:58 PM, Maria C <forgottenimage@hotmail.com> wrote: +1 always. for making it real. audio, video, everything! we are collecting crazy amount of donations and still there is the ad asking for more in every video, but still stream most of the time using webcam from one angle. makes me feel bad for those people who follow GR and send money. i think it all comes from/to organization and communication points, which i suggest to make our main agenda points this evening. looking forward to see you all in a couple hours peace maria
Subject: Fwd: Livefeed audio From: jvanpraag@me.com Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 17:37:59 -0400 To: globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com; globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Email below is typical of comments from livestream and from friends and colleagues who have been watching, are fascinated and want to be a part of this even if they can't physically be in the square: but they're having problems hearing what's being said in the assemblies. I know this came up during our meeting on Sunday night and it may be on the agenda for this eve's meeting but since I'll be absent for that I just wanted to let you know that I've reached out to a movie sound crew who are interested in consulting -- I'm explaining the logistics of the setup and they're coming up with a few creative wireless solutions for us, which will vary in price. I'll keep you posted on this info but I suggest we meet Thurs to discuss. I also think I would be great to try mixing a more coordinated multi-camera shoot of the GA, as was also discussed on Sunday night. Not sure if the 4G box has been tested yet but I would be great to throw a couple of 5Ds in the mix, with long lense capability so we can start to get some nice close angles. I have a 5D and lense package which I intend to continue covering the occupation with. Can I suggest that we plan to try this by Friday's pm GA? I have a feeling if we ramp up our efforts we may see the number of viewers start to increase. Let me know what y'all think Solidaridad Josh Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 Begin forwarded message: From: Lauri Faggioni <lfaggioni@mac.com> Date: September 27, 2011 3:22:03 PM EDT To: Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com> Subject: hey Hey Sweetheart,
I wanted to ask you something. I want to get the media team some wireless mics for the live feed. You can legally use though right, if they aren't amplified? You know I am an avid watcher of the live feed because I want to be a part of the evolution of this discussion and I'm stuck at work most of the time. I want to hear what they are saying and even with the peoples microphone it so hard to hear. The mic on the camera is to close to the media center so you hear all the chatter over there and not what is being discussed. I keep sending people the link to the live feed so they can see how amazing the discussions are down there but they can't understand what they are saying. I think it's so important that people understand this is not a movement that claims to have all the answers or has mapped specific demands. It's the dialogue that is imperative for all of us figuring out the best way to get off the disastrous path we are on. So hearing the conversation is so very important I think especially during the general assemblies. It seems that the majority of the time people come to the front to speak. Maybe they can pass the mic around around up there or one person could be in charge of getting it close to people when they speak? I don't know shit about wireless mics. Do ones exists that are universal to all cameras? Would this even work? Tell me what you know... xxx
globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com on behalf of Joshua van Praag globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com Re: Livefeed audio Tuesday, September 27, 2011 7:33:10 PM
Hey matt -- I'm sure bandwidth is an issue. Vlad would know more about this. But there are tech improvements we can make irrespective of the bandwidth issue. Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 On Sep 27, 2011, at 6:58 PM, Matt Renner <matthew43@gmail.com> wrote: Could it be a bandwidth issue? Too many computers using the same wireless? On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Matt Renner <matthew43@gmail.com> wrote: Unwatchable for me. Sometimes it gets better for a few seconds then goes back to skipping. On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Matt Renner <matthew43@gmail.com> wrote: I figure you all know this already, but the live stream audio is shuddering and stuttering. -Matt On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com> wrote: We seem to be using the old 'globalrevolutionTV' and the new 'globalrevolutionMEDIA' Can I suggest that we consolidate to one of these and make sure all who need to be are on the listserve. Let me know how I can help with this -- I'm not presently an administrator... Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 On Sep 27, 2011, at 5:58 PM, Maria C <forgottenimage@hotmail.com> wrote:
+1 always. for making it real. audio, video, everything! we are collecting crazy amount of donations and still there is the ad asking for more in every video, but still stream most of the time using webcam from one angle. makes me feel bad for those people who follow GR and send money. i think it all comes from/to organization and communication points, which i suggest to make our main agenda points this evening. looking forward to see you all in a couple hours peace maria
Subject: Fwd: Livefeed audio From: jvanpraag@me.com Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 17:37:59 -0400 To: globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com; globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Email below is typical of comments from livestream and from friends and colleagues who have been watching, are fascinated and want to be a part of this even if they can't physically be in the square: but they're having problems hearing what's being said in the assemblies. I know this came up during our meeting on Sunday night and it may be on the agenda for this eve's meeting but since I'll be absent for that I just wanted to let you know that I've reached out to a movie sound crew who are interested in consulting -- I'm explaining the logistics of the setup and they're coming up with a few creative wireless solutions for us, which will vary in price. I'll keep you posted on this info but I suggest we meet Thurs to discuss. I also think I would be great to try mixing a more coordinated multi-camera shoot of the GA, as was also discussed on Sunday night. Not sure if the 4G box has been tested yet but I would be great to throw a couple of 5Ds in the mix, with long lense capability so we can start to get some nice close angles. I have a 5D and lense package which I intend to continue covering the occupation with. Can I suggest that we plan to try this by Friday's pm GA? I have a feeling if we ramp up our efforts we may see the number of viewers start to increase. Let me know what y'all think
Solidaridad Josh Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 Begin forwarded message: From: Lauri Faggioni <lfaggioni@mac.com> Date: September 27, 2011 3:22:03 PM EDT To: Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com> Subject: hey Hey Sweetheart, I wanted to ask you something. I want to get the media team some wireless mics for the live feed. You can legally use though right, if they aren't amplified? You know I am an avid watcher of the live feed because I want to be a part of the evolution of this discussion and I'm stuck at work most of the time. I want to hear what they are saying and even with the peoples microphone it so hard to hear. The mic on the camera is to close to the media center so you hear all the chatter over there and not what is being discussed. I keep sending people the link to the live feed so they can see how amazing the discussions are down there but they can't understand what they are saying. I think it's so important that people understand this is not a movement that claims to have all the answers or has mapped specific demands. It's the dialogue that is imperative for all of us figuring out the best way to get off the disastrous path we are on. So hearing the conversation is so very important I think especially during the general assemblies. It seems that the majority of the time people come to the front to speak. Maybe they can pass the mic around around up there or one person could be in charge of getting it close to people when they speak?
I don't know shit about wireless mics. Do ones exists that are universal to all cameras? Would this even work? Tell me what you know... xxx
globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com on behalf of jason ahmadi globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com Re: Livefeed audio Tuesday, September 27, 2011 8:20:29 PM
also people complain a lot about wind disturbances and how it makes the feed sound like a jet engine On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com> wrote: Hey matt -- I'm sure bandwidth is an issue. Vlad would know more about this. But there are tech improvements we can make irrespective of the bandwidth issue. Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 On Sep 27, 2011, at 6:58 PM, Matt Renner <matthew43@gmail.com> wrote: Could it be a bandwidth issue? Too many computers using the same wireless? On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Matt Renner <matthew43@gmail.com> wrote: Unwatchable for me. Sometimes it gets better for a few seconds then goes back to skipping. On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Matt Renner <matthew43@gmail.com> wrote: I figure you all know this already, but the live stream audio is shuddering and stuttering. -Matt On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com> wrote: We seem to be using the old 'globalrevolutionTV' and the new 'globalrevolutionMEDIA' Can I suggest that we consolidate to one of these and make sure all who need to be are on the listserve. Let me know how I can help with this -- I'm not presently an administrator... Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952
On Sep 27, 2011, at 5:58 PM, Maria C <forgottenimage@hotmail.com> wrote: +1 always. for making it real. audio, video, everything! we are collecting crazy amount of donations and still there is the ad asking for more in every video, but still stream most of the time using webcam from one angle. makes me feel bad for those people who follow GR and send money. i think it all comes from/to organization and communication points, which i suggest to make our main agenda points this evening. looking forward to see you all in a couple hours peace maria
Subject: Fwd: Livefeed audio From: jvanpraag@me.com Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 17:37:59 -0400 To: globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com; globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Email below is typical of comments from livestream and from friends and colleagues who have been watching, are fascinated and want to be a part of this even if they can't physically be in the square: but they're having problems hearing what's being said in the assemblies. I know this came up during our meeting on Sunday night and it may be on the agenda for this eve's meeting but since I'll be absent for that I just wanted to let you know that I've reached out to a movie sound crew who are interested in consulting -- I'm explaining the logistics of the setup and they're coming up with a few creative wireless solutions for us, which will vary in price. I'll keep you posted on this info but I suggest we meet Thurs to discuss. I also think I would be great to try mixing a more coordinated multi-camera shoot of the GA, as was also discussed on Sunday night. Not sure if the 4G box has been tested yet but I would be great to throw a couple of 5Ds in the mix, with long lense capability so we can start to get some nice close angles. I have a
5D and lense package which I intend to continue covering the occupation with. Can I suggest that we plan to try this by Friday's pm GA? I have a feeling if we ramp up our efforts we may see the number of viewers start to increase. Let me know what y'all think Solidaridad Josh Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 Begin forwarded message: From: Lauri Faggioni <lfaggioni@mac.com> Date: September 27, 2011 3:22:03 PM EDT To: Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com> Subject: hey Hey Sweetheart, I wanted to ask you something. I want to get the media team some wireless mics for the live feed. You can legally use though right, if they aren't amplified? You know I am an avid watcher of the live feed because I want to be a part of the evolution of this discussion and I'm stuck at work most of the time. I want to hear what they are saying and even with the peoples microphone it so hard to hear. The mic on the camera is to close to the media center so you hear all the chatter over there and not what is being discussed. I keep sending people the link to the live feed so they can see how amazing the discussions are down there but they can't understand what they are saying. I think it's so important that people understand this is not a movement that claims to have all the answers or has mapped specific demands. It's the dialogue that is
imperative for all of us figuring out the best way to get off the disastrous path we are on. So hearing the conversation is so very important I think especially during the general assemblies. It seems that the majority of the time people come to the front to speak. Maybe they can pass the mic around around up there or one person could be in charge of getting it close to people when they speak? I don't know shit about wireless mics. Do ones exists that are universal to all cameras? Would this even work? Tell me what you know... xxx
globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com on behalf of Joshua van Praag globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com Re: Livefeed audio Tuesday, September 27, 2011 6:18:25 PM
+1K! the communication is key. I know everyone's super busy but try and respond to emails so we can all engage and coordinate on these important issues
Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 On Sep 27, 2011, at 5:58 PM, Maria C <forgottenimage@hotmail.com> wrote: +1 always. for making it real. audio, video, everything! we are collecting crazy amount of donations and still there is the ad asking for more in every video, but still stream most of the time using webcam from one angle. makes me feel bad for those people who follow GR and send money. i think it all comes from/to organization and communication points, which i suggest to make our main agenda points this evening. looking forward to see you all in a couple hours peace maria
Subject: Fwd: Livefeed audio From: jvanpraag@me.com Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 17:37:59 -0400 To: globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com; globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Email below is typical of comments from livestream and from friends and colleagues who have been watching, are fascinated and want to be a part of this even if they can't physically be in the square: but they're having problems hearing what's being said in the assemblies. I know this came up during our meeting on Sunday night and it may be on the agenda for this eve's meeting but since I'll be absent for that I just wanted to let you know that I've reached out to a movie sound crew who are interested in consulting -- I'm explaining the logistics of the setup and they're coming up with a few creative wireless solutions for us,
which will vary in price. I'll keep you posted on this info but I suggest we meet Thurs to discuss. I also think I would be great to try mixing a more coordinated multicamera shoot of the GA, as was also discussed on Sunday night. Not sure if the 4G box has been tested yet but I would be great to throw a couple of 5Ds in the mix, with long lense capability so we can start to get some nice close angles. I have a 5D and lense package which I intend to continue covering the occupation with. Can I suggest that we plan to try this by Friday's pm GA? I have a feeling if we ramp up our efforts we may see the number of viewers start to increase. Let me know what y'all think Solidaridad Josh Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 Begin forwarded message: From: Lauri Faggioni <lfaggioni@mac.com> Date: September 27, 2011 3:22:03 PM EDT To: Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com> Subject: hey Hey Sweetheart, I wanted to ask you something. I want to get the media team some wireless mics for the live feed. You can legally use though right, if they aren't amplified? You know I am an avid watcher of the live feed because I want to be a part of the evolution of this discussion and I'm stuck at work most of the time. I want to hear what they are saying and even with the peoples microphone it so hard to hear. The mic on the camera is to close to the media center so you hear all the chatter over there and not what is being discussed. I keep sending people the link to the live feed so they can see how amazing the discussions are down there but they can't understand what they are saying. I think it's so important that people understand this is not a movement that claims to have all the answers or has mapped specific demands. It's the dialogue that is imperative for all of us figuring out the best way to get off the disastrous path we are on. So hearing the conversation is so very important I think especially during the general assemblies. It seems that the majority of the time people
come to the front to speak. Maybe they can pass the mic around around up there or one person could be in charge of getting it close to people when they speak? I don't know shit about wireless mics. Do ones exists that are universal to all cameras? Would this even work? Tell me what you know... xxx
globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com on behalf of Maria C globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com RE: Livefeed audio Tuesday, September 27, 2011 5:59:04 PM
+1 always. for making it real. audio, video, everything! we are collecting crazy amount of donations and still there is the ad asking for more in every video, but still stream most of the time using webcam from one angle. makes me feel bad for those people who follow GR and send money. i think it all comes from/to organization and communication points, which i suggest to make our main agenda points this evening. looking forward to see you all in a couple hours peace maria
Subject: Fwd: Livefeed audio From: jvanpraag@me.com Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 17:37:59 -0400 To: globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com; globalrevolutionmedia@googlegroups.com Email below is typical of comments from livestream and from friends and colleagues who have been watching, are fascinated and want to be a part of this even if they can't physically be in the square: but they're having problems hearing what's being said in the assemblies. I know this came up during our meeting on Sunday night and it may be on the agenda for this eve's meeting but since I'll be absent for that I just wanted to let you know that I've reached out to a movie sound crew who are interested in consulting -- I'm explaining the logistics of the setup and they're coming up with a few creative wireless solutions for us, which will vary in price. I'll keep you posted on this info but I suggest we meet Thurs to discuss. I also think I would be great to try mixing a more coordinated multi-camera shoot of the GA, as was also discussed on Sunday night. Not sure if the 4G box has been tested yet but I would be great to throw a couple of 5Ds in the mix, with long lense capability so we can start to get some nice close angles. I have a 5D and lense package which I intend to continue covering the occupation with. Can I suggest that we plan to try this by Friday's pm GA? I have a feeling if we ramp up our efforts we may see the number of viewers start to increase. Let me know what y'all think Solidaridad Josh Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 Begin forwarded message: From: Lauri Faggioni <lfaggioni@mac.com> Date: September 27, 2011 3:22:03 PM EDT To: Joshua van Praag <jvanpraag@me.com>
Subject: hey Hey Sweetheart, I wanted to ask you something. I want to get the media team some wireless mics for the live feed. You can legally use though right, if they aren't amplified? You know I am an avid watcher of the live feed because I want to be a part of the evolution of this discussion and I'm stuck at work most of the time. I want to hear what they are saying and even with the peoples microphone it so hard to hear. The mic on the camera is to close to the media center so you hear all the chatter over there and not what is being discussed. I keep sending people the link to the live feed so they can see how amazing the discussions are down there but they can't understand what they are saying. I think it's so important that people understand this is not a movement that claims to have all the answers or has mapped specific demands. It's the dialogue that is imperative for all of us figuring out the best way to get off the disastrous path we are on. So hearing the conversation is so very important I think especially during the general assemblies. It seems that the majority of the time people come to the front to speak. Maybe they can pass the mic around around up there or one person could be in charge of getting it close to people when they speak? I don't know shit about wireless mics. Do ones exists that are universal to all cameras? Would this even work? Tell me what you know... xxx
globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com on behalf of nikky schiller globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com Re: meeting independent audiovisual media center at 6.00 today at square Sunday, September 25, 2011 3:45:20 PM
i love you Jason take care waiting for your next song :) Nikky On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 9:42 PM, jason ahmadi <jason.ahmadi@gmail.com> wrote: I am in upstate new york recovering from a staph infection on my face. I will be back as soon as I recover. I could help with editing the livestream in the meantime. I remember the two trainings and could help, only I am not an editor on the page. My login is hastalavictoria if someone wants to add me. Peace and Love, Jason On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 2:36 PM, nikky schiller <nikkyschiller@gmail.com> wrote: ey we wait for you to have the meeting nikky &vlad
globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com on behalf of jason ahmadi globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com Re: meeting independent audiovisual media center at 6.00 today at square Sunday, September 25, 2011 3:48:35 PM
I am in the process of writing it. Its' called "we are all on the same side" On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 3:45 PM, nikky schiller <nikkyschiller@gmail.com> wrote: i love you Jason take care waiting for your next song :) Nikky On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 9:42 PM, jason ahmadi <jason.ahmadi@gmail.com> wrote: I am in upstate new york recovering from a staph infection on my face. I will be back as soon as I recover. I could help with editing the livestream in the meantime. I remember the two trainings and could help, only I am not an editor on the page. My login is hastalavictoria if someone wants to add me. Peace and Love, Jason On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 2:36 PM, nikky schiller <nikkyschiller@gmail.com> wrote: ey we wait for you to have the meeting nikky &vlad
globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com on behalf of nikky schiller globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com Re: meeting independent audiovisual media center at 6.00 today at square Sunday, September 25, 2011 4:40:50 PM
ey keep medical invoices and medical expenses to ask to the court afterwards On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 9:48 PM, jason ahmadi <jason.ahmadi@gmail.com> wrote: I am in the process of writing it. Its' called "we are all on the same side" On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 3:45 PM, nikky schiller <nikkyschiller@gmail.com> wrote: i love you Jason take care waiting for your next song :) Nikky On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 9:42 PM, jason ahmadi <jason.ahmadi@gmail.com> wrote: I am in upstate new york recovering from a staph infection on my face. I will be back as soon as I recover. I could help with editing the livestream in the meantime. I remember the two trainings and could help, only I am not an editor on the page. My login is hastalavictoria if someone wants to add me. Peace and Love, Jason On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 2:36 PM, nikky schiller <nikkyschiller@gmail.com> wrote: ey we wait for you to have the meeting nikky &vlad
globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com on behalf of jrevolt@riseup.net globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com Re: meeting independent audiovisual media center at 6.00 today at square Monday, September 26, 2011 12:03:16 AM
I wish I could of made the meeting. Something must be wrong with riseup I just got the email tonight.. I would love to do some off line video editing or even live stream. My camera was stolen at the day of rage I would only be able to edit until I replace it. Jason > ey > we wait for you to have the meeting > nikky &vlad >
globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com on behalf of jason ahmadi globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com jwedes@gmail.com Re: meeting independent audiovisual media center at 6.00 today at square Sunday, September 25, 2011 3:42:54 PM
I am in upstate new york recovering from a staph infection on my face. I will be back as soon as I recover. I could help with editing the livestream in the meantime. I remember the two trainings and could help, only I am not an editor on the page. My login is hastalavictoria if someone wants to add me. Peace and Love, Jason On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 2:36 PM, nikky schiller <nikkyschiller@gmail.com> wrote: ey we wait for you to have the meeting nikky &vlad
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of M.S. Kushneir september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] #occupywallstreet Cafe Press Store Wednesday, September 28, 2011 9:47:04 AM
Since when does OWS have a store and a .com ... where did the OK come from... why is this on the gmail forum... how can we have someone making money or even the GA making any money EVEN if it will be used as a donation to the cause On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:42 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
I would say $20 for a Tshirt is about as high as we should go
On 09/27/11, J Wedes<jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: I will also reccommend that she not mark up the prices so much, even if it means less money for us. On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:03 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: So i think i understand that people consent to her having this store under the conditions that all the items by "Made in the USA" and that there be clear agreement in advance about how the proceeds will get to our finance team. if there are any blocks, please make them heard now or else i'll give her the go-ahead today and send everyone our written agreement. -justin
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:32 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: On this matter a total other entity sprang up with this: http://www.cafepress.com/occupywallstreetstore is anyone affiliated? do we know them and is the $$ really coming to OWS? On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:42 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: I approve and think we should move forward on this. On Sep 26, 2011 3:22 AM, "Sahar Vahidi" <saharvahidi@gmail.com> wrote: > It would make sense if the she only allowed the *"Made In The USA" *items up > on the store. When you build a Cafe Press store, you can pick which items > you want to sell. > > I think this movement should stay away from outsourced labor in any way > possible. Right? > > > > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 2:27 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Any objections? >> >> Justin Wedes >> Activist & Educator, Brooklyn >> >> Use your voice!
>> Web: <http://www.OurSchoolsNYC.org>www.OurSchoolsNYC.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at <http://USUncut.org/yeslab>USUncut.org/yeslab ~ Begin forwarded message: *From:* Kristen Harrington <kristenh2011@gmail.com> *Date:* September 25, 2011 11:26:51 PM EDT *To:* <occupywallstreet.food@gmail.com>occupywallstreet.food@gmail.com *Subject:* *fundraising* Justin, My name is Kristen Harrington. We spoke on the phone this evening regarding fundraising. This is a link to my store(just set up today) at <http://cafepress.com>cafepress.com:
<http://www.cafepress.com/kristen_change> http://www.cafepress.com/kristen_change This company has a home office in San Mateo, CA and 2 other offices in KY and NC. I am not sure exactly where the shipping is done out of. I have designed this merchandise myself and have marked the prices up from cafepress's by $9.17 across the board. All profits will go to fund the occupywallstreet demonstrations. Pleas let me know if this is something that can be approved for fundraising. I do not want to go against any of the beliefs of this movement while trying to support it. Thank you for your time and stay strong. -GO HIPPOS!!! Kristen Harrington 510-857-6028 <kristenh2011@gmail.com>kristenh2011@gmail.com
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of J Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] #occupywallstreet Cafe Press Store Wednesday, September 28, 2011 9:59:04 AM
Should someone propose this at the GA today? We can't really keep people from selling things in our name across the world, but we can sanction some people to do it. It should be clear that Kristin is not making any money from this. She is sending a donation check each month with the money that does not go to cafepress. justin
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 9:45 AM, M.S. Kushneir <mskushneir@gmail.com> wrote: Since when does OWS have a store and a .com ... where did the OK come from... why is this on the gmail forum... how can we have someone making money or even the GA making any money EVEN if it will be used as a donation to the cause On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:42 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:32 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: On this matter a total other entity sprang up with this: http://www.cafepress.com/occupywallstreetstore is anyone affiliated? do we know them and is the $$ really coming to OWS? On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:42 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: I approve and think we should move forward on this. On Sep 26, 2011 3:22 AM, "Sahar Vahidi" <saharvahidi@gmail.com> wrote: > It would make sense if the she only allowed the *"Made In The USA" *items up > on the store. When you build a Cafe Press store, you can pick which items > you want to sell. >
> I think this movement should stay away from outsourced labor in any way > possible. Right? > > > > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 2:27 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Any objections? >> >> Justin Wedes >> Activist & Educator, Brooklyn >> >> Use your voice! >> Web: <http://www.OurSchoolsNYC.org>www.OurSchoolsNYC.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at <http://USUncut.org/yeslab>USUncut.org/yeslab ~ Begin forwarded message: *From:* Kristen Harrington <kristenh2011@gmail.com> *Date:* September 25, 2011 11:26:51 PM EDT *To:* <occupywallstreet.food@gmail.com>occupywallstreet.food@gmail.com *Subject:* *fundraising* Justin, My name is Kristen Harrington. We spoke on the phone this evening regarding fundraising. This is a link to my store(just set up today) at <http://cafepress.com>cafepress.com:
>> >>
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] #occupywallstreet Cafe Press Store Wednesday, September 28, 2011 10:01:51 AM
to sell tshirts--- so the $$ can come directly to the GA On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:01 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: I am working with a wholesaler and an independent printing company to pull all the pieces together today so we can propose and be ready to go later today..... everyone has agreed to give OWS bargain basement pricing I have already talked to Justine about setting up a store on occupywallst.org ... stay tuned On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 9:58 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Should someone propose this at the GA today? We can't really keep people from selling things in our name across the world, but we can sanction some people to do it. It should be clear that Kristin is not making any money from this. She is sending a donation check each month with the money that does not go to cafepress. justin
On 09/27/11, J Wedes<jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: I will also reccommend that she not mark up the prices so much, even if it means less money for us. On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:03 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: So i think i understand that people consent to her having this store under the conditions that all the items by "Made in the USA" and that there be clear agreement in advance about how the proceeds will get to our finance team. if there are any blocks, please make them heard now or else i'll give her the go-ahead today and send everyone our written agreement.
-justin
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:32 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: On this matter a total other entity sprang up with this: http://www.cafepress.com/occupywallstreetstore is anyone affiliated? do we know them and is the $$ really coming to OWS? On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:42 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: I approve and think we should move forward on this. On Sep 26, 2011 3:22 AM, "Sahar Vahidi" <saharvahidi@gmail.com> wrote: > It would make sense if the she only allowed the *"Made In The USA" *items up > on the store. When you build a Cafe Press store, you can pick which items > you want to sell. > > I think this movement should stay away from outsourced labor in any way > possible. Right? > > > > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 2:27 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Any objections? >> >> Justin Wedes >> Activist & Educator, Brooklyn >> >> Use your voice! >> Web: <http://www.OurSchoolsNYC.org>www.OurSchoolsNYC.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at <http://USUncut.org/yeslab>USUncut.org/yeslab ~ Begin forwarded message: *From:* Kristen Harrington <kristenh2011@gmail.com> *Date:* September 25, 2011 11:26:51 PM EDT *To:* <occupywallstreet.food@gmail.com>occupywallstreet.food@gmail.com *Subject:* *fundraising* Justin, My name is Kristen Harrington. We spoke on the phone this evening regarding fundraising. This is a link to my store(just set up today) at <http://cafepress.com>cafepress.com:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] #occupywallstreet Cafe Press Store Wednesday, September 28, 2011 10:01:41 AM
I am working with a wholesaler and an independent printing company to pull all the pieces together today so we can propose and be ready to go later today..... everyone has agreed to give OWS bargain basement pricing I have already talked to Justine about setting up a store on occupywallst.org ... stay tuned On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 9:58 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Should someone propose this at the GA today? We can't really keep people from selling things in our name across the world, but we can sanction some people to do it. It should be clear that Kristin is not making any money from this. She is sending a donation check each month with the money that does not go to cafepress. justin
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:32 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote:
On this matter a total other entity sprang up with this: http://www.cafepress.com/occupywallstreetstore is anyone affiliated? do we know them and is the $$ really coming to OWS? On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:42 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: I approve and think we should move forward on this. On Sep 26, 2011 3:22 AM, "Sahar Vahidi" <saharvahidi@gmail.com> wrote: > It would make sense if the she only allowed the *"Made In The USA" *items up > on the store. When you build a Cafe Press store, you can pick which items > you want to sell. > > I think this movement should stay away from outsourced labor in any way > possible. Right? > > > > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 2:27 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Any objections? >> >> Justin Wedes >> Activist & Educator, Brooklyn >> >> Use your voice! >> Web: <http://www.OurSchoolsNYC.org>www.OurSchoolsNYC.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at <http://USUncut.org/yeslab>USUncut.org/yeslab ~ Begin forwarded message: *From:* Kristen Harrington <kristenh2011@gmail.com> *Date:* September 25, 2011 11:26:51 PM EDT *To:* <occupywallstreet.food@gmail.com>occupywallstreet.food@gmail.com *Subject:* *fundraising* Justin, My name is Kristen Harrington. We spoke on the phone this evening regarding fundraising. This is a link to my store(just set up today) at <http://cafepress.com>cafepress.com:
<http://www.cafepress.com/kristen_change> http://www.cafepress.com/kristen_change This company has a home office in San Mateo, CA and 2 other offices in KY and NC. I am not sure exactly where the shipping is done out of. I have
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
designed this merchandise myself and have marked the prices up from cafepress's by $9.17 across the board. All profits will go to fund the occupywallstreet demonstrations. Pleas let me know if this is something that can be approved for fundraising. I do not want to go against any of the beliefs of this movement while trying to support it. Thank you for your time and stay strong. -GO HIPPOS!!! Kristen Harrington 510-857-6028 <kristenh2011@gmail.com>kristenh2011@gmail.com
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of M.S. Kushneir september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] #occupywallstreet Cafe Press Store Wednesday, September 28, 2011 10:13:14 AM
thanks Justin, i support that notion and think it would if we could go through the GA that would best... we dont need to operate under a business model and sell merch... waste of time, we all have access to come cash, we can get money and donations in different ways other than selling MERCHANDISE... its not a horrible idea but can you picture an article in the media that says - GA supported by selling merch - that would be madness. but lets get that idea to the GA On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:01 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: to sell tshirts--- so the $$ can come directly to the GA On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:01 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: I am working with a wholesaler and an independent printing company to pull all the pieces together today so we can propose and be ready to go later today..... everyone has agreed to give OWS bargain basement pricing I have already talked to Justine about setting up a store on occupywallst.org ... stay tuned On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 9:58 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Should someone propose this at the GA today? We can't really keep people from selling things in our name across the world, but we can sanction some people to do it. It should be clear that Kristin is not making any money from this. She is sending a donation check each month with the money that does not go to cafepress. justin
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:32 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: On this matter a total other entity sprang up with this: http://www.cafepress.com/occupywallstreetstore is anyone affiliated? do we know them and is the $$ really coming to OWS? On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:42 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: I approve and think we should move forward on this. On Sep 26, 2011 3:22 AM, "Sahar Vahidi" <saharvahidi@gmail.com> wrote: > It would make sense if the she only allowed the *"Made In The USA" *items up > on the store. When you build a Cafe Press store, you can pick which items > you want to sell. > > I think this movement should stay away from outsourced labor in any way > possible. Right? > > > > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 2:27 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Any objections? >> >> Justin Wedes >> Activist & Educator, Brooklyn >> >> Use your voice! >> Web: <http://www.OurSchoolsNYC.org>www.OurSchoolsNYC.org >> >> >> >> >> Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at <http://USUncut.org/yeslab>USUncut.org/yeslab
>> ~ >> >> Begin forwarded message:
>> >> *From:* Kristen Harrington <kristenh2011@gmail.com> >> *Date:* September 25, 2011 11:26:51 PM EDT >> *To:* <occupywallstreet.food@gmail.com>occupywallstreet.food@gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *Subject:* *fundraising* Justin, My name is Kristen Harrington. We spoke on the phone this evening regarding fundraising. This is a link to my store(just set up today) at <http://cafepress.com>cafepress.com:
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Gabriel Johnson september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] #occupywallstreet Cafe Press Store Wednesday, September 28, 2011 3:32:45 PM
What's wrong with that? As long as they aren't sweatshop-sourced T-shirts and such people want to represent (but don't want to bother making their own shirts), under the current system (even if you don't agree with it? I don't know exactly where eveyone is politically) they are going to have to buy stuff are there any other better places to give the money from that to? --glj On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:13 AM, M.S. Kushneir <mskushneir@gmail.com> wrote: thanks Justin, i support that notion and think it would if we could go through the GA that would best... we dont need to operate under a business model and sell merch... waste of time, we all have access to come cash, we can get money and donations in different ways other than selling MERCHANDISE... its not a horrible idea but can you picture an article in the media that says - GA supported by selling merch - that would be madness. but lets get that idea to the GA On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:01 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: to sell tshirts--- so the $$ can come directly to the GA On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:01 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: I am working with a wholesaler and an independent printing company to pull all the pieces together today so we can propose and be ready to go later today..... everyone has agreed to give OWS bargain basement pricing I have already talked to Justine about setting up a store on occupywallst.org ... stay tuned On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 9:58 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Should someone propose this at the GA today? We can't really keep people from selling things in our name across the world, but we can sanction some people to do it. It should be clear that Kristin is not making any money from this. She is sending a donation check each month with the money that does not go to cafepress. justin
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:32 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: On this matter a total other entity sprang up with this: http://www.cafepress.com/occupywallstreetstore is anyone affiliated? do we know them and is the $$ really coming to OWS? On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:42 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: I approve and think we should move forward on this. On Sep 26, 2011 3:22 AM, "Sahar Vahidi" <saharvahidi@gmail.com> wrote: > It would make sense if the she only allowed the *"Made In The USA" *items up > on the store. When you build a Cafe Press store, you can pick which items > you want to sell. > > I think this movement should stay away from outsourced labor in any way > possible. Right? > > > > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 2:27 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Any objections? >> >> Justin Wedes >> Activist & Educator, Brooklyn
>> >> Use your voice! >> Web: <http://www.OurSchoolsNYC.org>www.OurSchoolsNYC.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at <http://USUncut.org/yeslab>USUncut.org/yeslab ~ Begin forwarded message: *From:* Kristen Harrington <kristenh2011@gmail.com> *Date:* September 25, 2011 11:26:51 PM EDT *To:* <occupywallstreet.food@gmail.com>occupywallstreet.food@gmail.com *Subject:* *fundraising* Justin, My name is Kristen Harrington. We spoke on the phone this evening regarding fundraising. This is a link to my store(just set up today) at <http://cafepress.com>cafepress.com:
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of M.S. Kushneir september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] #occupywallstreet Cafe Press Store Wednesday, September 28, 2011 5:37:50 PM
So... essentially we have to give in to a kind of consumerism that brands us as occupy wall streeters??? Just because it was made in the USA doesnt mean that it wasnt produced in a way that undermines unions, the poor, dispossessed, etc and supports a consumerist ideology - either way it would mean that we are selling merch - if it was a donation, and people got them for free, that is a whole other story... what will these shirts say, what colors, whats the design, who will be responsible for this effect, and how do we distribute etc etc.... there are more important things like working on chants, and training and other things than worrying about selling shirts. this isnt a rock concert, rally, protest, univ social function... we need to be careful of how anything and everything could potentially be used to undermine us as idealistic, middle class, largely suburban folks and all the other things that could be said to nullify what we are doing as indeed being revolutionary - that's how the opposition works and thinks... On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Gabriel Johnson <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: What's wrong with that? As long as they aren't sweatshop-sourced T-shirts and such people want to represent (but don't want to bother making their own shirts), under the current system (even if you don't agree with it? I don't know exactly where eveyone is politically) they are going to have to buy stuff are there any other better places to give the money from that to? --glj On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:13 AM, M.S. Kushneir <mskushneir@gmail.com> wrote: thanks Justin, i support that notion and think it would if we could go through the GA that would best... we dont need to operate under a business model and sell merch... waste of time, we all have access to come cash, we can get money and donations in different ways other than selling MERCHANDISE... its not a horrible idea but can you picture an article in the media that says - GA supported by selling merch - that would be madness. but lets get that idea to the GA On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:01 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: to sell tshirts--- so the $$ can come directly to the GA On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:01 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: I am working with a wholesaler and an independent printing company to pull all the pieces together today so we can propose and be ready to go later today..... everyone has agreed to give OWS bargain basement pricing
I have already talked to Justine about setting up a store on occupywallst.org ... stay tuned On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 9:58 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Should someone propose this at the GA today? We can't really keep people from selling things in our name across the world, but we can sanction some people to do it. It should be clear that Kristin is not making any money from this. She is sending a donation check each month with the money that does not go to cafepress. justin
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:32 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: On this matter a total other entity sprang up with this: http://www.cafepress.com/occupywallstreetstore is anyone affiliated? do we know them and is the $$ really coming to OWS? On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:42 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote:
I approve and think we should move forward on this. On Sep 26, 2011 3:22 AM, "Sahar Vahidi" <saharvahidi@gmail.com> wrote: > It would make sense if the she only allowed the *"Made In The USA" *items up > on the store. When you build a Cafe Press store, you can pick which items > you want to sell. > > I think this movement should stay away from outsourced labor in any way > possible. Right? > > > > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 2:27 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Any objections? >> >> Justin Wedes >> Activist & Educator, Brooklyn >> >> Use your voice! >> Web: <http://www.OurSchoolsNYC.org>www.OurSchoolsNYC.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at <http://USUncut.org/yeslab>USUncut.org/yeslab ~ Begin forwarded message: *From:* Kristen Harrington <kristenh2011@gmail.com> *Date:* September 25, 2011 11:26:51 PM EDT *To:* <occupywallstreet.food@gmail.com>occupywallstreet.food@gmail.com *Subject:* *fundraising* Justin, My name is Kristen Harrington. We spoke on the phone this evening regarding fundraising. This is a link to my store(just set up today) at <http://cafepress.com>cafepress.com:
<http://www.cafepress.com/kristen_change> http://www.cafepress.com/kristen_change This company has a home office in San Mateo, CA and 2 other offices in KY and NC. I am not sure exactly where the shipping is done out of. I have designed this merchandise myself and have marked the prices up from cafepress's by $9.17 across the board. All profits will go to fund the occupywallstreet demonstrations. Pleas let me know if this is something that can be approved for fundraising. I do not want to go against any of the beliefs of this movement while trying to support it. Thank you for your time and stay strong.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
-GO HIPPOS!!! Kristen Harrington 510-857-6028 <kristenh2011@gmail.com>kristenh2011@gmail.com
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] #occupywallstreet Cafe Press Store Tuesday, September 27, 2011 6:42:55 PM
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:32 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: On this matter a total other entity sprang up with this: http://www.cafepress.com/occupywallstreetstore is anyone affiliated? do we know them and is the $$ really coming to OWS? On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:42 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: I approve and think we should move forward on this. On Sep 26, 2011 3:22 AM, "Sahar Vahidi" <saharvahidi@gmail.com> wrote: > It would make sense if the she only allowed the *"Made In The USA" *items up > on the store. When you build a Cafe Press store, you can pick which items > you want to sell. > > I think this movement should stay away from outsourced labor in any way > possible. Right? > > > > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 2:27 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Any objections? >> >> Justin Wedes >> Activist & Educator, Brooklyn >> >> Use your voice! >> Web: <http://www.OurSchoolsNYC.org>www.OurSchoolsNYC.org >> Twitter: NYCPubSchooler >> >> ~ >> There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at
>> <http://USUncut.org/yeslab>USUncut.org/yeslab >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ~ Begin forwarded message: *From:* Kristen Harrington <kristenh2011@gmail.com> *Date:* September 25, 2011 11:26:51 PM EDT *To:* <occupywallstreet.food@gmail.com>occupywallstreet.food@gmail.com *Subject:* *fundraising* Justin, My name is Kristen Harrington. We spoke on the phone this evening regarding fundraising. This is a link to my store(just set up today) at <http://cafepress.com>cafepress.com:
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] A deadline Tuesday, September 27, 2011 6:43:58 PM
Yes we don't want to set ourselves up for failure. It has also taken a very long time (in 24hr news cycle time.)
On 09/27/11, Snafu<snafu@thething.it> wrote: nah, it doesn't make sense to put pressure on ourselves. You have always to announce things that put pressure on the counterpart, not on yourself. On 9/27/11 9:20 AM, Cesar wrote: + Sent from phone
On Sep 27, 2011, at 9:13 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Seconded On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: Should the GA let it be known to the public that we plan to have a statement by Friday? It will put pressure on us, but it will could also create a good buzz and encourage the world to keep it's attention on us for a bit longer. Solidarity, Jon
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Doug Singsen september17@googlegroups.com Re: RE: [september17discuss] Bed-Stuy Church Group on Sunday Wednesday, September 28, 2011 11:45:25 AM
+1 Sent from my phone On Sep 27, 2011 8:13 PM, "Jackie DiSalvo" <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: > In fact, we need to do more outreach to the African-American community (and > other people of color); this could > > be a good start. > > _____ > > From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of Jackie DiSalvo > Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:33 PM > To: september17@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: [september17discuss] Bed-Stuy Church Group on Sunday > > > > Yes! It could be wonderful. Is someone following up on this? Outreach? I > haven't heard anything about it at Liberty Plaza. > > > > _____ > > From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of J Wedes > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 10:04 PM > To: september17 > Subject: [september17discuss] Bed-Stuy Church Group on Sunday > > > > Hey all, > > Many of you remember that my neighbors and life-time bed-stuy activists > Rodney 'Radio Rahim' Deaz and Jitu Weusi spoke last week at a General > Assembly. They are now more excited than ever about what we're growing in > Liberty Plaza, and want to bring out their congregtion of 30-40 this Sunday, > Oct 2, 10am. > > Cost is prohibitive though, so they are requesting a bus for the trip. This > includes both congregants and a group of ministers.
> > > > > > > > >
How do people feel about allocating $150-200 to bus these folks out to lead a multi-denominational service this sunday? If the group doesn't feel that this is a legitimate use of donated funds, I will front the money as I believe this is critical element of outreach. -justin
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] bloomberg quote Tuesday, September 27, 2011 8:59:20 PM
A good blog for all to read: http://www.declineoftheempire.com/ On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:34 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
I heard Bloomberg say that on the Radio this morning. In one sentence he gives us credit for controlling the big banks, and admits that banks not lending out $trilions from the Fed is hurting the economy. We should use this. "Bloomberg Blames Recession on Occupy Wall St!" and "Bloomberg admits Banks are Hurting Economy"
On 09/27/11, gail zawacki<witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: Heard a report on NPR - MarketPlace - basically repeating WSJ story about planned eviction but it gave me an insight, since I talked to a cop Sat. eve. I was sure they were going to evict but he said they were convinced we were going to march again - Sat. eve - and that's why there was such a heavy police presence. So there you have it - they are happy to confine us to the park and what threatens them - and the Mayor - is having us move out and really disrupt traffic and business as usual. According to NPR, Bloomberg said, if we continue to "villify the banks" well, they just won't lend money for mortgages, and the economy will never improve. See? It's OUR FAULT the economy is in the tank! Ha!
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:46 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Definitely the demands for reform should be loudest right now.
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 12:51 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: Both are true; they're mutually reinforcing. But the CP in the thirties didn't build a mass membership by calling for revolution at the expense of demanding reforms. The CP engaged in every struggle for reforms it could. So that example really just helps prove my point, that you don't build a movement for revolution by avoiding demands for reform.
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:20 PM, Richard S. <chardsinger@yahoo.com> wrote: Actually, I've gotten a reverse impression from a lot of our history: Reforms are most likely achieved when the ruling powers are scared by talk about revolution. This certainly is a big part of why the New Deal reforms went through - because there was concrete fear of a revolutionary communist movement. Much of the workers' organizing that led to pressure for reforms like the New Deal was led by the Communist Party. (Our comrade Noam Chomsky has said as much on many occasions - and he is not normally a champion for any CP.) In other countries, too, some of the great leaders who are highly regarded here would not have been able to achieve what they did had there not been harder or more militant revolutionaries to balance them out, scaring the ruling classes. Certainly, this was one of the keys to Gandhi's political success, as Gandhi was easier for the ruling class to take
than the very prevalent communists of the day. On Sep 25, 8:06 pm, Doug Singsen <dougsing...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every revolution in history has begun with demands for reform. You don't begin a revolution by trying to "prefigure" a future society, you do it by building democratic, participatory movements for change that address issues that directly impact peoples' lives. When the state and capital are unwilling or unable to meet the needs of the mass of the people, revolution can result. Doug S
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Lauren <celli...@gmail.com> wrote: > Honestly it will be neither a revolution nor a riot if our only > demands are some reforms on the legislative agenda which the > legislators will get rid of again in a matter of months.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] bloomberg quote Tuesday, September 27, 2011 6:35:04 PM
I heard Bloomberg say that on the Radio this morning. In one sentence he gives us credit for controlling the big banks, and admits that banks not lending out $trilions from the Fed is hurting the economy. We should use this. "Bloomberg Blames Recession on Occupy Wall St!" and "Bloomberg admits Banks are Hurting Economy"
On 09/27/11, gail zawacki<witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: Heard a report on NPR - MarketPlace - basically repeating WSJ story about planned eviction but it gave me an insight, since I talked to a cop Sat. eve. I was sure they were going to evict but he said they were convinced we were going to march again - Sat. eve - and that's why there was such a heavy police presence. So there you have it - they are happy to confine us to the park and what threatens them - and the Mayor - is having us move out and really disrupt traffic and business as usual. According to NPR, Bloomberg said, if we continue to "villify the banks" well, they just won't lend money for mortgages, and the economy will never improve. See? It's OUR FAULT the economy is in the tank! Ha!
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:46 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Definitely the demands for reform should be loudest right now.
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 12:51 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: Both are true; they're mutually reinforcing. But the CP in the thirties didn't build a mass membership by calling for revolution at the expense of demanding reforms. The CP engaged in every struggle for reforms it could. So that example really just helps prove my point, that you don't build a movement for revolution by avoiding demands for reform.
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:20 PM, Richard S. <chardsinger@yahoo.com> wrote: Actually, I've gotten a reverse impression from a lot of our history: Reforms are most likely achieved when the ruling powers are scared by talk about revolution. This certainly is a big part of why the New Deal reforms went through - because there was concrete fear of a revolutionary communist movement. Much of the workers' organizing that led to pressure for reforms like the New Deal was led by the Communist Party. (Our comrade Noam Chomsky has said as much on many occasions - and he is not normally a champion for any CP.) In other countries, too, some of the great leaders who are highly regarded here would not have been able to achieve what they did had there not been harder or more militant revolutionaries to balance them out, scaring the ruling classes. Certainly, this was one of the keys to Gandhi's political success, as Gandhi was easier for the ruling class to take than the very prevalent communists of the day. On Sep 25, 8:06 pm, Doug Singsen <dougsing...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Every revolution in history has begun with demands for reform. You don't begin a revolution by trying to "prefigure" a future society, you do it by building democratic, participatory movements for change that address issues that directly impact peoples' lives. When the state and capital are unwilling or unable to meet the needs of the mass of the people, revolution can result. Doug S
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Gabriel Johnson september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] confusion about demand Tuesday, September 27, 2011 8:05:31 PM
And also relentlessly mockable, and will be treated as meaningless by most people on the street, even those otherwise supportive. Even if we all disagree on the eventual political solutions to the problems, I feel as if we need a few specific, immediate demands for what the government or some sort of entity could (won't, but if they really wanted to could) do tomorrow. --glj On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 7:43 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
I agree--Something like "We Demand that the People take control of their Government." or "We Demand that the 99% take control from the Corporations." or "We Demand that the 99% Take to the Streets, and Take Control from Global Banks." or some combination of this. Making a demand directly to the people and ignoring the government and wall st would be a surprise and put the responsibility where it ultimately lies.
On 09/27/11, Justine<justine@occupywallst.org> wrote: I demand the one demand be what we've been talking about recently where we basically ask the 99% to organize. On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: We're working as fast as we can. I'm trying to get consensus on letting the media know we are going to have a statement on Friday. I hope the GA can agree exactly what kind of statement(s) this is going to be (a slogan, a list of demands, a manifesto, etc.) at tonight's meeting. Jon
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: FYI, seems there is a lot of media confusion about the demands. Many media are pointing to this article as the official list of demands: https://occupywallst.org/article/a-message-from-occupied-wall-street-day-five/ and https://wilderside.wordpress.com/2011/09/22/occupy-wall-street-finally-releases-their-one-demand/ For example, see this Guardian piece: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/sep/27/occupy-wall-street-anonymous
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] confusion about demand Tuesday, September 27, 2011 8:16:06 PM
I am 99% sure that asking the 99% to replace the US Constitution with direct democracy will doom us to failure. For example polls show that people hate the congressmen, but like the institution of congress. Let's get millions on the street demanding change first and see where it takes them. Republics have their shortcomings but direct democracies do also. (California is going broke because direct democracy referendums keep voting for both more spending and tax cuts.) If we are not on the same wavelength as the American public than all of this talk of the 99% means nothing. The GAs are a powerful organizing tool but will be soundly rejected if they aspire to taking over governance. (Let it happen organically if that is their destiny.) Let's ask for the people to take back their government, and for policies that would improve their situation, but not ask for replacing the United States of America, because their is no appetite for such a thing.
On 09/27/11, Micah White<micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: Yes, but we should be clear as to our ultimate objective. Are we trying to pull of a May '68 style revolt that is spectacular, inspiring but ephemeral? Or, are we trying to propose a new form of democracy based on people's assemblies that topples the existing corporate-state power structures? Last night, I was thinking how beautiful it would be if the city councils of every town were replaced with people's assemblies. If all questions about local governance were decided using the techniques of group decision making that is being worked out in the GA. For that to happen, then we need to adapt our model such that we can both put forward a vision and lay out the steps to get there. Can a people's assembly be a model for running a society? Let's prove that it can be. Maybe it helps to think that there can be two kinds of demands: a) long-term visions for society (equality for all, end the wars, end of capitalism) and b) short-term immediate demands that are small steps towards the longterm vision. The left is generally very good at the long-term visions, but lately we've been not so good at the latter. Let's learn together how to do both. Micah
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 8:25 AM, J.A. Myerson <jesse.myerson@gmail.com> wrote: I just pitched an article to In These Times in defense of demandlessness.
In May of '68, students (assisted later by workers) captured and held the city of Paris for a while, occupying the Sorbonne, renaming the Latin Quarter the Heroic Vietnam Quarter and erecting barricades against government backlash. Nowhere was a common manifesto decided or published (then, too, the protesters relied on General Assemblies to organize the participants politically), but that is not the reason for the eventual failure of les soixante huitards. Does anyone think that, had the students only prepared a 5 point program, de Gaulle's tanks would have shown them mercy? Nonsense. The fact that there is no manifesto allows that a right-winger could show up at a general assemble, get on a stack, and rail about the desirable effects of abolishing the IRS or the Dept. of Education or whatever, because the real doctrinaire aspect of the protest is in its very perpetuation: the protest itself, as a place where people live and eat and occupy their time, serves as a model of a society so democratic that it is completely liberated from the constraints of capital. Anyone should be able to deduce a demand from that.
JAM On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Justine <justine@occupywallst.org> wrote: :sigh: I just added another notice to the top (in addition to the on the bottom) that this is not an official list of demands. I'm honestly starting to think that there's a coordinated media effort to discredit us on the demand nonsense. On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: FYI, seems there is a lot of media confusion about the demands. Many media are pointing to this article as the official list of demands: https://occupywallst.org/article/a-message-from-occupied-wall-street-day-five/ and https://wilderside.wordpress.com/2011/09/22/occupy-wall-street-finally-releases-their-one-demand/ For example, see this Guardian piece: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/sep/27/occupy-wall-street-anonymous
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] confusion about demand Tuesday, September 27, 2011 7:43:52 PM
I agree--Something like "We Demand that the People take control of their Government." or "We Demand that the 99% take control from the Corporations." or "We Demand that the 99% Take to the Streets, and Take Control from Global Banks." or some combination of this. Making a demand directly to the people and ignoring the government and wall st would be a surprise and put the responsibility where it ultimately lies.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] CRASH Press conf. for NYPD Commish Ray Kelly: tmw Tues 9/27 Monday, September 26, 2011 7:35:48 PM
This kind of thing would be a public relations coup. I was on Andrew Breitbarts website today, and there were three hundred #$%^$# talking about how great it is that the cops were beating on the hippies. If we could handle the situation with dignity and respect it would throw everybody for a loop. You have to keep them off balance.
On 09/26/11, Gary Roland<opesr.nyc@gmail.com> wrote: I like the idea of making this a show of support for the police officers to start acting responsibly and non-violently. This could be our contradiction event, showing that we are not against the police, only against when they prop up the financiers will. However this goes against the statement issued that Commissioner Kelly should resign. Disrupting the police press conference would obviously escalate the situation, but a show of support to them "following the law" and respecting citizens would be a de-escalation with the police, and may be good for the longevity of the movement. ~GARY On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:11 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: We can do both-- we should all be in suits, bringing flowers to thank them.
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:47 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: revolution! not resolution!
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:47 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: Isn't it worth considering going in not with recrimination but rather with quiet dignity, accepting their acknowledgment that they went overboard, and pledging to work with them to keep this a peaceful resolution, emphasizing that working middle class people like police and fire fighters are part of the 99%. It will put them in the position of being supportive of the occupation.
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: Conor, Great idea! 2011/9/26 Conor Toms Reed <conortomasreed@gmail.com> Hey, folks. It looks like the NYPD's trying to do a quick PR clean-up. Should we bring some folks from Liberty Plaza to chant "SHAME" for the NYPD's recent brutalities on Thursday night for the Troy Davis and Saturday for the Occupy Wall Street march? The celebratory language of the press release is strange, given that one of the speakers, Jumaane Williams, was illegally arrested at the West Indian Day parade (walking while Black). what do y'all think? -Conor ---------- Forwarded message ---------From: todd eaton <toddeaton@optonline.net> Date: Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:08 AM Subject: Press conf. for NYPD Commish Ray Kelly: tmw Tues 9/27
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Press conference to applaud NYC's & NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly's announced intention that his forces may begin to comply with rule of law...following City for a decade and counting having centered its public safety efforts around making many tens of thousands of plainly illegal race arrests, in a coordinated campaign that was apparently specifically designed to compel Black and Latino youth to move away. Call for the passage of New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti) and City Council Resolution 0986-2011 (Mark-Viverito) Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm at 1 Police Plaza TRANSIT: #4,5,6 train to Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, J train to Chambers street; R, but never N, to City Hall (Broadway & Warren); A, C to Chambers (at Church St.); #1, 2, 3 to Chambers (at W. Broadway); E to WTC; Police Plz is just east of the 1 Centre St. Municipal Bldg., equivalent of Chambers St.; MAP: <http://ow.ly/5or1N > ["I'll believe it when it's in my hot little hand." - Anon.] = = = Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 09:44:17 -0400 From: "Jeremy Saunders, VOCAL-NY" <jeremy@vocal-ny.org> Subject: [Rttc-nyc] Big Victory for NYPD Accountability! In response to mounting pressure, NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly told police officers last week to follow the law and stop making costly and racially biased marijuana arrests, now the number one arrest in New York City. This could translate into tens of thousands of fewer arrests among Black and Latino youth each year. VOCAL-NY led the grassroots effort to end these arrests in collaboration with our allies at the Drug Policy Alliance (DPA) and the Institute for Juvenile Justice Reform and Alternatives (IJJRA). Although marijuana use is higher among whites, 86% of those arrested for marijuana possession last year were Black and Latino youth. The NYPD's aggressive use of stop-and-frisks in communities of color, along with unconstitutional searches that often follow, have largely driven these arrests. Being arrested can mean more than a night in jail too. It can make it difficult for people to find housing, get a job, take care of their family and apply for tuition assistance. Please join us this Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm to celebrate this important victory and call for effective implementation. What: Press conference applauding NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly's policy shift to enforce existing marijuana possession laws and to call for the passage of New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti) and City Council Resolution 0986-2011 (Mark-Viverito) When: Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm Where: 1 Police Plaza; 4,5,6 train to Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, J train to Chambers street; [or R, but never N, to City Hall (Broadway & Warren); A, C to Chambers (at Church St.); #1, 2, 3 to Chambers (at W. Broadway); E to WTC; Police Plz is just east of the 1 Centre St. Municipal Bldg., equivalent of Chambers St.; map: <http://ow.ly/5or1N > -t.] Who: Drug Policy Alliance, IJJRA, VOCAL-NY, New York Assembly Member Hakeem Jeffries, NYC Council Members Melissa Mark-Viverito and Jumaane D. Williams, advocates, and others
BACKGROUND: On Monday, September 19th, responding to mounting public pressure from advocates and elected officials, NYPD police commissioner Ray Kelly issued an operations order that clarified existing marijuana possession laws, instructing officers not to arrest people for marijuana in public view when complying with an officer's demand to "empty their pockets". This change could lead to the reduction of tens of thousands of arrests in New York City. Nearly all of these arrests have been made in defiance of the law. Marijuana has been decriminalized since 1977, making possession of 25 grams or less of marijuana a violation, punishable by a $100 fine, not arrest and jail. However, possessing or burning marijuana in public view is a criminal offense punishable by arrest and jail. Since 1996, the NYPD has made over 535,000 arrests for possession of small amounts of marijuana. In 2010 alone, 50,383 people were arrested for simple marijuana possession, comprising nearly 15% of all arrests and making it the number one arrest in the city. Most of these arrests were not for smoking in public, but were the result of complying with an officer's demand to disclose contraband or from a police search and being improperly charged for "marijuana in public view" instead of the noncriminal violation offense. Join the VOCAL-NY, Drug Policy Alliance and IJJRA, together with elected officials, to applaud the Police Commissioner for his policy change, and to urge cooperation to ensure that officers follow this directive. This operations order can be made permanent, and apply to all of New York state, by passing New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti). The NYC City Council has introduced a resolution (0986-2011/Mark-Viverito) supporting the passage of this legislation. -Please note: VOCAL New York was formerly the NYC AIDS Housing Network (NYCAHN) ***Please update your address books with our new emails*** Jeremy Saunders VOCAL New York 917-676-8041 (cell) jeremy@vocal-ny.org
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] CRASH Press conf. for NYPD Commish Ray Kelly: tmw Tues 9/27 Monday, September 26, 2011 7:28:10 PM
There seems to be more and more talk of revolution. If you are talking about violent revolution "you can count me out." If you are talking about some kind of peaceful revolution I wish you would all keep the word peaceful in there. Most people associate political revolution with violence. If there were a violent revolution, the ending would be very unpredictable, and since most of the people with guns diagree with where I (we?) want the world to go, i think it would be a really bad idea. I don't even think your going to get more than 100,000 people to agree to fundamentally changing the constitution of the United States, except possibly through amendments. If you think that you are going to get the 99% to start again from scratch, I have to disagree strongly. I know many of you are frustrated with "legislation" but while I think a clean sweep of the current politicians would be very popular, a clean sweep of our institutions would be very unpopular.
On 09/26/11, gail zawacki<witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: revolution! not resolution! On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:47 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: Isn't it worth considering going in not with recrimination but rather with quiet dignity, accepting their acknowledgment that they went overboard, and pledging to work with them to keep this a peaceful resolution, emphasizing that working middle class people like police and fire fighters are part of the 99%. It will put them in the position of being supportive of the occupation.
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: Conor, Great idea! 2011/9/26 Conor Toms Reed <conortomasreed@gmail.com> Hey, folks. It looks like the NYPD's trying to do a quick PR clean-up. Should we bring some folks from Liberty Plaza to chant "SHAME" for the NYPD's recent brutalities on Thursday night for the Troy Davis and Saturday for the Occupy Wall Street march? The celebratory language of the press release is strange, given that one of the speakers, Jumaane Williams, was illegally arrested at the West Indian Day parade (walking while Black). what do y'all think? -Conor ---------- Forwarded message ---------From: todd eaton <toddeaton@optonline.net> Date: Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:08 AM Subject: Press conf. for NYPD Commish Ray Kelly: tmw Tues 9/27 To: cuny-students-unite@googlegroups.com
Press conference to applaud NYC's & NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly's announced intention that his forces may begin to comply with rule of law...following City for a decade and counting having centered its public safety efforts around making many tens of thousands of plainly illegal race arrests, in a coordinated campaign that was apparently specifically designed to compel Black and Latino youth to move away. Call for the passage of New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti) and City Council Resolution 09862011 (Mark-Viverito)
Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm at 1 Police Plaza TRANSIT: #4,5,6 train to Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, J train to Chambers street; R, but never N, to City Hall (Broadway & Warren); A, C to Chambers (at Church St.); #1, 2, 3 to Chambers (at W. Broadway); E to WTC; Police Plz is just east of the 1 Centre St. Municipal Bldg., equivalent of Chambers St.; MAP: <http://ow.ly/5or1N > ["I'll believe it when it's in my hot little hand." - Anon.] = = = Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 09:44:17 -0400 From: "Jeremy Saunders, VOCAL-NY" <jeremy@vocal-ny.org> Subject: [Rttc-nyc] Big Victory for NYPD Accountability! In response to mounting pressure, NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly told police officers last week to follow the law and stop making costly and racially biased marijuana arrests, now the number one arrest in New York City. This could translate into tens of thousands of fewer arrests among Black and Latino youth each year. VOCAL-NY led the grassroots effort to end these arrests in collaboration with our allies at the Drug Policy Alliance (DPA) and the Institute for Juvenile Justice Reform and Alternatives (IJJRA). Although marijuana use is higher among whites, 86% of those arrested for marijuana possession last year were Black and Latino youth. The NYPD's aggressive use of stop-and-frisks in communities of color, along with unconstitutional searches that often follow, have largely driven these arrests. Being arrested can mean more than a night in jail too. It can make it difficult for people to find housing, get a job, take care of their family and apply for tuition assistance. Please join us this Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm to celebrate this important victory and call for effective implementation. What: Press conference applauding NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly's policy shift to enforce existing marijuana possession laws and to call for the passage of New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti) and City Council Resolution 0986-2011 (Mark-Viverito) When: Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm Where: 1 Police Plaza; 4,5,6 train to Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, J train to Chambers street; [or R, but never N, to City Hall (Broadway & Warren); A, C to Chambers (at Church St.); #1, 2, 3 to Chambers (at W. Broadway); E to WTC; Police Plz is just east of the 1 Centre St. Municipal Bldg., equivalent of Chambers St.; map: <http://ow.ly/5or1N > -t.] Who: Drug Policy Alliance, IJJRA, VOCAL-NY, New York Assembly Member Hakeem Jeffries, NYC Council Members Melissa Mark-Viverito and Jumaane D. Williams, advocates, and others BACKGROUND: On Monday, September 19th, responding to mounting public pressure from advocates and elected officials, NYPD police commissioner Ray Kelly issued an operations order that clarified existing marijuana possession laws, instructing officers not to arrest people for marijuana in public view when complying with an officer's demand to "empty their pockets". This change could lead to the reduction of tens of thousands of arrests in New York City. Nearly all of these arrests have been made in defiance of the law. Marijuana has been decriminalized since 1977, making possession of 25 grams or less of marijuana a violation, punishable by a $100 fine, not arrest and jail. However, possessing or burning marijuana in public view is a criminal offense punishable by arrest and jail.
Since 1996, the NYPD has made over 535,000 arrests for possession of small amounts of marijuana. In 2010 alone, 50,383 people were arrested for simple marijuana possession, comprising nearly 15% of all arrests and making it the number one arrest in the city. Most of these arrests were not for smoking in public, but were the result of complying with an officer's demand to disclose contraband or from a police search and being improperly charged for "marijuana in public view" instead of the non-criminal violation offense. Join the VOCAL-NY, Drug Policy Alliance and IJJRA, together with elected officials, to applaud the Police Commissioner for his policy change, and to urge cooperation to ensure that officers follow this directive. This operations order can be made permanent, and apply to all of New York state, by passing New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti). The NYC City Council has introduced a resolution (0986-2011/MarkViverito) supporting the passage of this legislation. -Please note: VOCAL New York was formerly the NYC AIDS Housing Network (NYCAHN) ***Please update your address books with our new emails*** Jeremy Saunders VOCAL New York 917-676-8041 (cell) jeremy@vocal-ny.org
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Conor Toms Reed september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] CRASH Press conf. for NYPD Commish Ray Kelly: tmw Tues 9/27 Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:02:47 AM
Forgot to include... orgs/individuals endorsing this Friday protest: Alex S. Vitale, author of City of Disorder, Brooklyn College, Executive Council PSCCUNY Penny Lewis, Murphy Institute for Labor Education, Executive Council PSC-CUNY Francis Fox Piven, CUNY Graduate Center Stanley Aronowitz, CUNY Graduate Center Christian Parenti, author of Tropic of Chaos, Brooklyn College Ben Shepard, author of The Beach Beneath the Streets, NYC College of TechnologyCUNY Michele Hardesty, Hampshire College Ron Hayduk, author of Democracy for All, BMCC-CUNY Mitchel Cohen, Brooklyn Greens/Green Party, Chair, WBAI Local Station Board Doug Henwood, Left Business Observer Liza Featherstone, journalist Theodore Hamm, Editor of The Brooklyn Rail, MCNY Stephen Duncombe, author of Dream: Re-Imagining Progressive Politics in an Age of Fantasy, NYU Mark Winston Griffith, Exec. Dir.,Brooklyn Movement Center Carolina Bank Munoz, Brooklyn College Glenn Kissack, Hunter College High School, (ret.) Michael Letwin, Former President, Assn. of Legal Aid Attorneys/UAW Local 2325; CoConvener, New York City Labor Against the War Corey Robin, author of The Reactionary Mind, Brooklyn College Kitty Krupat, Murphy Institute for Labor Education Marnie Brady, CUNY Graduate Center Stephanie Luce, author of Fighting for a Living Wage, UMass, Amherst Eric Laursen, activist, author of The People's Pension Maida Rosenstein, President, Local 2110 UAW 2011/9/27 Conor Toms Reed <conortomasreed@gmail.com> Thanks for the tactical suggestion, Lisa. I agree that we need to make alliances with groups like VOCAL, even though this press conference seems to give the NYPD a clear pass from the despicable actions over the weekend and late last week. We have to see the connection here. Jem, you didn't consider anything I wrote. Instead, you focused on one sentence that you found uncomfortable, and then went with that. Like in the GA, we need to listen to each other before we respond. FYI, a police officer who was at the Baruch College protest yesterday told me he wished cops had "bashed all their heads in" on Saturday. Ahem. It looks like community folks are on board with nonviolently protesting the NYPD. See this facebook event for Friday https://www.facebook.com/#!/event.php? eid=214291185301829 I urge us to actively follow the community's lead on this. It's an OWS issue, but more widely an issue of racism, anti-poor brutality, sexism, homophobia, and all
the rest that consolidate a strong (and historically supported!) analysis that the police are not our friends. If you would like to disagree, go through those videos from Saturday again. despite above frustrations, continued solidarity, -Conor
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:20 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Ok, just talked to Jeremy, Ray Kelly is not only not going to be at the conference tomorrow, but the conference is to congratulate NYPD for easing up on the small marijuana arrests: http://www.gothamgazette.com/blogs/wonkster/2011/09/26/a-change-onmarijuana-arrests/ So, Jeremy has requested that nothing be done to distract from his message. He will be coming down to Liberty Park on Saturday afternoon after the OWS march and brainstorm with whomever is available how both OWS and his org, Vocal http://www.vocal-ny.org/ can work together to make each other stronger in the coming weeks. sweet dreams allOn Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:03 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Contacting him now. On Sep 26, 2011 10:00 PM, "Lisa Fithian" <fithianl@igc.org> wrote: > Hey All! > > > > Great, great work in holding down Liberty Plaza!!!! > > > > So, if you all are planning to bring your message to this press conference tomorrow it would be skillful to contact Jeremy from VOCAL- NY. VOCAL is an important community based organization and ally in direct action and in going after the banks and corporate America. What is happening is a victory for them and their members. Just wanted people to be mindful of this. > > > > Peace, > > Lisa >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Jeremy Saunders > VOCAL New York 917-676-8041 <http://tel:917-676-8041> (cell) > jeremy@vocal-ny.org > > > > From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of jemcgloin@verizon.net > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 6:36 PM > To: september17@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Re: [september17discuss] CRASH Press conf. for NYPD Commish Ray Kelly: tmw Tues 9/27 > > > > This kind of thing would be a public relations coup. I was on Andrew Breitbarts website today, and there were three hundred #$%^$# talking about how great it is that the cops were beating on the hippies. If we could handle the situation with dignity and respect it would throw everybody for a loop. You have to keep them off balance. > > > > > > On 09/26/11, Gary Roland<opesr.nyc@gmail.com> wrote: > > I like the idea of making this a show of support for the police officers to start acting responsibly and non-violently. This could be our contradiction event, showing that we are not against the police, only against when they prop up the financiers will. > > However this goes against the statement issued that Commissioner Kelly should resign. Disrupting the police press conference would obviously escalate the situation, but a show of support to them "following the law" and respecting citizens would be a de-escalation with the police, and may be good for the longevity of the movement. > > > > ~GARY
> > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:11 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > > We can do both-- we should all be in suits, bringing flowers to thank them. > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:47 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: > > revolution! not resolution! > > > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:47 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: > > Isn't it worth considering going in not with recrimination but rather with quiet dignity, accepting their acknowledgment that they went overboard, and pledging to work with them to keep this a peaceful resolution, emphasizing that working middle class people like police and fire fighters are part of the 99%. > > > > It will put them in the position of being supportive of the occupation. > > > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: > > Conor, Great idea! > > 2011/9/26 Conor Toms Reed <conortomasreed@gmail.com> > > Hey, folks. It looks like the NYPD's trying to do a quick PR clean-up. Should we bring some folks from Liberty Plaza to chant "SHAME" for the NYPD's recent brutalities on Thursday night for the Troy Davis and Saturday for the Occupy Wall Street march? The celebratory language of the press release is strange, given that one of the speakers, Jumaane Williams, was illegally arrested at the West Indian Day parade (walking while Black). > > what do y'all think? > -Conor > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------> From: todd eaton <toddeaton@optonline.net> > Date: Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:08 AM > Subject: Press conf. for NYPD Commish Ray Kelly: tmw Tues 9/27
> To: cuny-students-unite@googlegroups.com > > > > Press conference to applaud NYC's & NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly's announced intention that his forces may begin to comply with rule of law...following City for a decade and counting having centered its public safety efforts around making many tens of thousands of plainly illegal race arrests, in a coordinated campaign that was apparently specifically designed to compel Black and Latino youth to move away. > > Call for the passage of New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti) and City Council Resolution 0986-2011 (Mark-Viverito) > Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm at 1 Police Plaza > > TRANSIT: #4,5,6 train to Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, J train to Chambers street; R, but never N, to City Hall (Broadway & Warren); A, C to Chambers (at Church St.); #1, 2, 3 to Chambers (at W. Broadway); E to WTC; Police Plz is just east of the 1 Centre St. Municipal Bldg., equivalent of Chambers St.; MAP: <http://ow.ly/5or1N > > > ["I'll believe it when it's in my hot little hand." - Anon.] >=== > > Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 09:44:17 -0400 > From: "Jeremy Saunders, VOCAL-NY" <jeremy@vocal-ny.org> > Subject: [Rttc-nyc] Big Victory for NYPD Accountability! > > In response to mounting pressure, NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly told police officers last week to follow the law and stop making costly and racially biased marijuana arrests, now the number one arrest in New York City. This could translate into tens of thousands of fewer arrests among Black and Latino youth each year. > > VOCAL-NY led the grassroots effort to end these arrests in collaboration with our allies at the Drug Policy Alliance (DPA) and the Institute for Juvenile Justice Reform and Alternatives (IJJRA). > > Although marijuana use is higher among whites, 86% of those arrested for marijuana possession last year were Black and Latino youth. The NYPD's aggressive use of stop-and-frisks in communities of color, along with unconstitutional searches that often follow, have largely driven these arrests. Being arrested can mean more than a night in jail too. It can make it difficult for people to find housing, get a job, take care of their family and apply for tuition assistance. > > Please join us this Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm > to celebrate this important victory and call for effective implementation. > > What: Press conference applauding NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly's policy shift to enforce existing marijuana possession laws and to call for the passage of New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti) and City Council Resolution 0986-2011 (Mark-Viverito)
> > When: Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm > > Where: 1 Police Plaza; 4,5,6 train to Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, J train to Chambers street; [or R, but never N, to City Hall (Broadway & Warren); A, C to Chambers (at Church St.); #1, 2, 3 to Chambers (at W. Broadway); E to WTC; Police Plz is just east of the 1 Centre St. Municipal Bldg., equivalent of Chambers St.; map: <http://ow.ly/5or1N > -t.] > > Who: Drug Policy Alliance, IJJRA, VOCAL-NY, New York Assembly Member Hakeem Jeffries, NYC Council Members Melissa Mark-Viverito and Jumaane D. Williams, advocates, and others > > BACKGROUND: > On Monday, September 19th, responding to mounting public pressure from advocates and elected officials, NYPD police commissioner Ray Kelly issued an operations order that clarified existing marijuana possession laws, instructing officers not to arrest people for marijuana in public view when complying with an officer's demand to "empty their pockets". This change could lead to the reduction of tens of thousands of arrests in New York City. > > Nearly all of these arrests have been made in defiance of the law. Marijuana has been decriminalized since 1977, making possession of 25 grams or less of marijuana a violation, punishable by a $100 fine, not arrest and jail. However, possessing or burning marijuana in public view is a criminal offense punishable by arrest and jail. > > Since 1996, the NYPD has made over 535,000 arrests for possession of small amounts of marijuana. In 2010 alone, 50,383 people were arrested for simple marijuana possession, comprising nearly 15% of all arrests and making it the number one arrest in the city. Most of these arrests were not for smoking in public, but were the result of complying with an officer's demand to disclose contraband or from a police search and being improperly charged for "marijuana in public view" instead of the non-criminal violation offense. > > Join the VOCAL-NY, Drug Policy Alliance and IJJRA, together with elected officials, to applaud the Police Commissioner for his policy change, and to urge cooperation to ensure that officers follow this directive. This operations order can be made permanent, and apply to all of New York state, by passing New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti). The NYC City Council has introduced a resolution (0986-2011/Mark-Viverito) > supporting the passage of this legislation. > -> > Please note: VOCAL New York was formerly the NYC AIDS Housing Network (NYCAHN) > ***Please update your address books with our new emails*** > > Jeremy Saunders > VOCAL New York 917-676-8041 <http://tel:917-676-8041> (cell) > jeremy@vocal-ny.org >
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] CRASH Press conf. for NYPD Commish Ray Kelly: tmw Tues 9/27 Tuesday, September 27, 2011 7:05:09 PM
I agree completely that the cops will never switch sides. But I do think that we can win more support from the 99% by acting as if they might. By treating the cops as part of the 99%, we will avoid alienating people that we need. The people that were arrested will have to decide what to do with their well earned anger, and I support them 100%. But by showing up in suits and quitely putting our point across, we can confound attempts to make us look like spoiled college students and out of work hippies. Always keep them guessing.
On 09/27/11, Doug Singsen<dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: People, the cops are never going to "switch sides" and join us. It's an extremely ahistorical idea to think that this is even a remote possibility. The cops have always been used to attack protesters - remember Selma? the Chicago Haymarket? Seattle? - and they have NEVER switched sides. It's their job to keep "order," which means containing, dispersing and attacking anything that challenges the status quo. Refusing to do so means losing their job. We can debate whether conflicts with the cops are good PR for us or not, but the idea that they can be convinced to be "on our side" is ludicrous. Have you already forgotten what happened at the Troy Davis rally (before it got to Zucotti) and Union Square??? Doug On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Gary Roland <opesr.nyc@gmail.com> wrote: After telling their stories they should be expressing the fact that they forgive the police and hope they will be joining us. The chant "cops are workers too, we are fighting for you too" comes to mind. Ivan from Otpor said we need a contradiction event to express to the men in blue that they are supporting the wrong side, and show that the people giving the orders are not their friends. A forgiveness action showing that we are on their side might help. ~GARY On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com> wrote: We should get Anna and others who were brutalized by the police to show their wounds and tell their stories. Marisa On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Gary Roland <opesr.nyc@gmail.com> wrote: > I like the idea of making this a show of support for the police officers to > start acting responsibly and non-violently. This could be our contradiction > event, showing that we are not against the police, only against when they > prop up the financiers will. > > However this goes against the statement issued that Commissioner Kelly > should resign. Disrupting the police press conference would obviously > escalate the situation, but a show of support to them "following the law" > and respecting citizens would be a de-escalation with the police, and may be > good for the longevity of the movement. > ~GARY > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:11 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> We can do both-- we should all be in suits, bringing flowers to thank >> them.
>> >> >> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:47 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> revolution! not resolution! >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:47 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Isn't it worth considering going in not with recrimination but rather >>>> with quiet dignity, accepting their acknowledgment that they went overboard, >>>> and pledging to work with them to keep this a peaceful resolution, >>>> emphasizing that working middle class people like police and fire fighters >>>> are part of the 99%. >>>> It will put them in the position of being supportive of the occupation. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Conor, Great idea! >>>>> >>>>> 2011/9/26 Conor Toms Reed <conortomasreed@gmail.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hey, folks. It looks like the NYPD's trying to do a quick PR clean-up. >>>>>> Should we bring some folks from Liberty Plaza to chant "SHAME" for the >>>>>> NYPD's recent brutalities on Thursday night for the Troy Davis and Saturday >>>>>> for the Occupy Wall Street march? The celebratory language of the press >>>>>> release is strange, given that one of the speakers, Jumaane Williams, was >>>>>> illegally arrested at the West Indian Day parade (walking while Black). >>>>>> >>>>>> what do y'all think? >>>>>> -Conor >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------->>>>>> From: todd eaton <toddeaton@optonline.net> >>>>>> Date: Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:08 AM >>>>>> Subject: Press conf. for NYPD Commish Ray Kelly: tmw Tues 9/27 >>>>>> To: cuny-students-unite@googlegroups.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Press conference to applaud NYC's & NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly's >>>>>> announced intention that his forces may begin to comply with rule of >>>>>> law...following City for a decade and counting having centered its public >>>>>> safety efforts around making many tens of thousands of plainly illegal race >>>>>> arrests, in a coordinated campaign that was apparently specifically designed >>>>>> to compel Black and Latino youth to move away. >>>>>> >>>>>> Call for the passage of New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 >>>>>> (Grisanti) and City Council Resolution 0986-2011 (Mark-Viverito) >>>>>> Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm at 1 Police Plaza >>>>>> >>>>>> TRANSIT: #4,5,6 train to Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, J train to >>>>>> Chambers street; R, but never N, to City Hall (Broadway & Warren); A, C to >>>>>> Chambers (at Church St.); #1, 2, 3 to Chambers (at W. Broadway); E to WTC; >>>>>> Police Plz is just east of the 1 Centre St. Municipal Bldg., equivalent of >>>>>> Chambers St.; MAP: <http://ow.ly/5or1N >
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["I'll believe it when it's in my hot little hand." - Anon.] = = = Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 09:44:17 -0400 From: "Jeremy Saunders, VOCAL-NY" <jeremy@vocal-ny.org> Subject: [Rttc-nyc] Big Victory for NYPD Accountability! In response to mounting pressure, NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly told police officers last week to follow the law and stop making costly and racially biased marijuana arrests, now the number one arrest in New York City. This could translate into tens of thousands of fewer arrests among Black and Latino youth each year. VOCAL-NY led the grassroots effort to end these arrests in collaboration with our allies at the Drug Policy Alliance (DPA) and the Institute for Juvenile Justice Reform and Alternatives (IJJRA). Although marijuana use is higher among whites, 86% of those arrested for marijuana possession last year were Black and Latino youth. The NYPD's aggressive use of stop-and-frisks in communities of color, along with unconstitutional searches that often follow, have largely driven these arrests. Being arrested can mean more than a night in jail too. It can make it difficult for people to find housing, get a job, take care of their family and apply for tuition assistance. Please join us this Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm to celebrate this important victory and call for effective implementation. What: Press conference applauding NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly's policy shift to enforce existing marijuana possession laws and to call for the passage of New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti) and City Council Resolution 0986-2011 (Mark-Viverito) When: Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm Where: 1 Police Plaza; 4,5,6 train to Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, J train to Chambers street; [or R, but never N, to City Hall (Broadway & Warren); A, C to Chambers (at Church St.); #1, 2, 3 to Chambers (at W. Broadway); E to WTC; Police Plz is just east of the 1 Centre St. Municipal Bldg., equivalent of Chambers St.; map: <http://ow.ly/5or1N > -t.] Who: Drug Policy Alliance, IJJRA, VOCAL-NY, New York Assembly Member Hakeem Jeffries, NYC Council Members Melissa Mark-Viverito and Jumaane D. Williams, advocates, and others BACKGROUND: On Monday, September 19th, responding to mounting public pressure from advocates and elected officials, NYPD police commissioner Ray Kelly issued an operations order that clarified existing marijuana possession laws, instructing officers not to arrest people for marijuana in public view when complying with an officer's demand to "empty their pockets". This change could lead to the reduction of tens of thousands of arrests in New York City. Nearly all of these arrests have been made in defiance of the law.
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Marijuana has been decriminalized since 1977, making possession of 25 grams or less of marijuana a violation, punishable by a $100 fine, not arrest and jail. However, possessing or burning marijuana in public view is a criminal offense punishable by arrest and jail. Since 1996, the NYPD has made over 535,000 arrests for possession of small amounts of marijuana. In 2010 alone, 50,383 people were arrested for simple marijuana possession, comprising nearly 15% of all arrests and making it the number one arrest in the city. Most of these arrests were not for smoking in public, but were the result of complying with an officer's demand to disclose contraband or from a police search and being improperly charged for "marijuana in public view" instead of the non-criminal violation offense. Join the VOCAL-NY, Drug Policy Alliance and IJJRA, together with elected officials, to applaud the Police Commissioner for his policy change, and to urge cooperation to ensure that officers follow this directive. This operations order can be made permanent, and apply to all of New York state, by passing New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti). The NYC City Council has introduced a resolution (0986-2011/Mark-Viverito) supporting the passage of this legislation. -Please note: VOCAL New York was formerly the NYC AIDS Housing Network (NYCAHN) ***Please update your address books with our new emails*** Jeremy Saunders VOCAL New York 917-676-8041 (cell) jeremy@vocal-ny.org
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Doug Singsen september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] CRASH Press conf. for NYPD Commish Ray Kelly: tmw Tues 9/27 Tuesday, September 27, 2011 7:37:35 PM
This is a strategic argument that has a lot going for it, but I don't think it's always right 100% if the time. You have to analyze each situation on its own merits. And we should also recognize that it's the cops who have been attacking us, not vice versa. From what I've heard, protesters didn't provoke what happened in Union Square - the cops did. And the violence backfired on them and helped us in a lot of ways by putting us back in the media spotlight and leading to a major increase in the size of the encampment. But even if you think that treating the cops respectfully is the right thing to do, and I agree that it often is, we need to be clear for our own sake that they are not going to switch sides. Otherwise we'll just lead ourselves into tactical and strategic confusion. On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 5:05 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
I agree completely that the cops will never switch sides. But I do think that we can win more support from the 99% by acting as if they might. By treating the cops as part of the 99%, we will avoid alienating people that we need. The people that were arrested will have to decide what to do with their well earned anger, and I support them 100%. But by showing up in suits and quitely putting our point across, we can confound attempts to make us look like spoiled college students and out of work hippies. Always keep them guessing.
On 09/27/11, Doug Singsen<dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: People, the cops are never going to "switch sides" and join us. It's an extremely ahistorical idea to think that this is even a remote possibility. The cops have always been used to attack protesters - remember Selma? the Chicago Haymarket? Seattle? - and they have NEVER switched sides. It's their job to keep "order," which means containing, dispersing and attacking anything that challenges the status quo. Refusing to do so means losing their job. We can debate whether conflicts with the cops are good PR for us or not, but the idea that they can be convinced to be "on our side" is ludicrous. Have you already forgotten what happened at the Troy Davis rally (before it got to Zucotti) and Union Square??? Doug On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Gary Roland <opesr.nyc@gmail.com> wrote: After telling their stories they should be expressing the fact that they forgive the police and hope they will be joining us. The chant "cops are workers too, we are fighting for you too" comes to mind. Ivan from Otpor said we need a contradiction event to express to the men in blue that they are supporting the wrong side, and show that the people giving the orders are not their friends. A forgiveness action showing that we are on their side might help. ~GARY On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com> wrote: We should get Anna and others who were brutalized by the police to show their wounds and tell their stories. Marisa On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Gary Roland <opesr.nyc@gmail.com> wrote: > I like the idea of making this a show of support for the police officers to
> start acting responsibly and non-violently. This could be our contradiction > event, showing that we are not against the police, only against when they > prop up the financiers will. > > However this goes against the statement issued that Commissioner Kelly > should resign. Disrupting the police press conference would obviously > escalate the situation, but a show of support to them "following the law" > and respecting citizens would be a de-escalation with the police, and may be > good for the longevity of the movement. > ~GARY > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:11 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> We can do both-- we should all be in suits, bringing flowers to thank >> them. >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:47 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> revolution! not resolution! >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:47 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Isn't it worth considering going in not with recrimination but rather >>>> with quiet dignity, accepting their acknowledgment that they went overboard, >>>> and pledging to work with them to keep this a peaceful resolution, >>>> emphasizing that working middle class people like police and fire fighters >>>> are part of the 99%. >>>> It will put them in the position of being supportive of the occupation. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Conor, Great idea! >>>>> >>>>> 2011/9/26 Conor Toms Reed <conortomasreed@gmail.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hey, folks. It looks like the NYPD's trying to do a quick PR clean-up. >>>>>> Should we bring some folks from Liberty Plaza to chant "SHAME" for the >>>>>> NYPD's recent brutalities on Thursday night for the Troy Davis and Saturday >>>>>> for the Occupy Wall Street march? The celebratory language of the press >>>>>> release is strange, given that one of the speakers, Jumaane Williams, was >>>>>> illegally arrested at the West Indian Day parade (walking while Black). >>>>>> >>>>>> what do y'all think? >>>>>> -Conor >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------->>>>>> From: todd eaton <toddeaton@optonline.net> >>>>>> Date: Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:08 AM >>>>>> Subject: Press conf. for NYPD Commish Ray Kelly: tmw Tues 9/27 >>>>>> To: cuny-students-unite@googlegroups.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Press conference to applaud NYC's & NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly's
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announced intention that his forces may begin to comply with rule of law...following City for a decade and counting having centered its public safety efforts around making many tens of thousands of plainly illegal race arrests, in a coordinated campaign that was apparently specifically designed to compel Black and Latino youth to move away. Call for the passage of New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti) and City Council Resolution 0986-2011 (Mark-Viverito) Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm at 1 Police Plaza TRANSIT: #4,5,6 train to Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, J train to Chambers street; R, but never N, to City Hall (Broadway & Warren); A, C to Chambers (at Church St.); #1, 2, 3 to Chambers (at W. Broadway); E to WTC; Police Plz is just east of the 1 Centre St. Municipal Bldg., equivalent of Chambers St.; MAP: <http://ow.ly/5or1N > ["I'll believe it when it's in my hot little hand." - Anon.] = = = Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 09:44:17 -0400 From: "Jeremy Saunders, VOCAL-NY" <jeremy@vocal-ny.org> Subject: [Rttc-nyc] Big Victory for NYPD Accountability! In response to mounting pressure, NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly told police officers last week to follow the law and stop making costly and racially biased marijuana arrests, now the number one arrest in New York City. This could translate into tens of thousands of fewer arrests among Black and Latino youth each year. VOCAL-NY led the grassroots effort to end these arrests in collaboration with our allies at the Drug Policy Alliance (DPA) and the Institute for Juvenile Justice Reform and Alternatives (IJJRA). Although marijuana use is higher among whites, 86% of those arrested for marijuana possession last year were Black and Latino youth. The NYPD's aggressive use of stop-and-frisks in communities of color, along with unconstitutional searches that often follow, have largely driven these arrests. Being arrested can mean more than a night in jail too. It can make it difficult for people to find housing, get a job, take care of their family and apply for tuition assistance. Please join us this Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm to celebrate this important victory and call for effective implementation. What: Press conference applauding NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly's policy shift to enforce existing marijuana possession laws and to call for the passage of New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti) and City Council Resolution 0986-2011 (Mark-Viverito) When: Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm Where: 1 Police Plaza; 4,5,6 train to Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, J train to Chambers street; [or R, but never N, to City Hall (Broadway & Warren); A, C to Chambers (at Church St.); #1, 2, 3 to Chambers (at W. Broadway); E to WTC; Police Plz is just east of the 1 Centre St. Municipal Bldg., equivalent of Chambers St.; map: <http://ow.ly/5or1N > -t.]
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Who: Drug Policy Alliance, IJJRA, VOCAL-NY, New York Assembly Member Hakeem Jeffries, NYC Council Members Melissa Mark-Viverito and Jumaane D. Williams, advocates, and others BACKGROUND: On Monday, September 19th, responding to mounting public pressure from advocates and elected officials, NYPD police commissioner Ray Kelly issued an operations order that clarified existing marijuana possession laws, instructing officers not to arrest people for marijuana in public view when complying with an officer's demand to "empty their pockets". This change could lead to the reduction of tens of thousands of arrests in New York City. Nearly all of these arrests have been made in defiance of the law. Marijuana has been decriminalized since 1977, making possession of 25 grams or less of marijuana a violation, punishable by a $100 fine, not arrest and jail. However, possessing or burning marijuana in public view is a criminal offense punishable by arrest and jail. Since 1996, the NYPD has made over 535,000 arrests for possession of small amounts of marijuana. In 2010 alone, 50,383 people were arrested for simple marijuana possession, comprising nearly 15% of all arrests and making it the number one arrest in the city. Most of these arrests were not for smoking in public, but were the result of complying with an officer's demand to disclose contraband or from a police search and being improperly charged for "marijuana in public view" instead of the non-criminal violation offense. Join the VOCAL-NY, Drug Policy Alliance and IJJRA, together with elected officials, to applaud the Police Commissioner for his policy change, and to urge cooperation to ensure that officers follow this directive. This operations order can be made permanent, and apply to all of New York state, by passing New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti). The NYC City Council has introduced a resolution (0986-2011/Mark-Viverito) supporting the passage of this legislation. -Please note: VOCAL New York was formerly the NYC AIDS Housing Network (NYCAHN) ***Please update your address books with our new emails*** Jeremy Saunders VOCAL New York 917-676-8041 (cell) jeremy@vocal-ny.org
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-----Original Message----From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marisa Holmes Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 1:34 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: SPAM-MED: Re: [september17discuss] CRASH Press conf. for NYPD Commish Ray Kelly: tmw Tues 9/27 We should get Anna and others who were brutalized by the police to show their wounds and tell their stories. Marisa On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Gary Roland <opesr.nyc@gmail.com> wrote: > I like the idea of making this a show of support for the police officers to > start acting responsibly and non-violently. This could be our contradiction > event, showing that we are not against the police, only against when they > prop up the financiers will. > > However this goes against the statement issued that Commissioner Kelly > should resign. Disrupting the police press conference would obviously > escalate the situation, but a show of support to them "following the law" > and respecting citizens would be a de-escalation with the police, and may be > good for the longevity of the movement. > ~GARY > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:11 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> We can do both-- we should all be in suits, bringing flowers to thank >> them. >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:47 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> revolution! not resolution! >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:47 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Isn't it worth considering going in not with recrimination but rather >>>> with quiet dignity, accepting their acknowledgment that they went overboard, >>>> and pledging to work with them to keep this a peaceful resolution, >>>> emphasizing that working middle class people like police and fire fighters >>>> are part of the 99%. >>>> It will put them in the position of being supportive of the occupation. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Conor, Great idea! >>>>> >>>>> 2011/9/26 Conor Toms Reed <conortomasreed@gmail.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hey, folks. It looks like the NYPD's trying to do a quick PR clean-up. >>>>>> Should we bring some folks from Liberty Plaza to chant "SHAME" for the >>>>>> NYPD's recent brutalities on Thursday night for the Troy Davis and Saturday >>>>>> for the Occupy Wall Street march? The celebratory language of the press >>>>>> release is strange, given that one of the speakers, Jumaane Williams, was >>>>>> illegally arrested at the West Indian Day parade (walking while Black). >>>>>> >>>>>> what do y'all think? >>>>>> -Conor >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------->>>>>> From: todd eaton <toddeaton@optonline.net> >>>>>> Date: Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:08 AM >>>>>> Subject: Press conf. for NYPD Commish Ray Kelly: tmw Tues 9/27 >>>>>> To: cuny-students-unite@googlegroups.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Press conference to applaud NYC's & NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly's >>>>>> announced intention that his forces may begin to comply with rule of >>>>>> law...following City for a decade and counting having centered its public >>>>>> safety efforts around making many tens of thousands of plainly illegal race >>>>>> arrests, in a coordinated campaign that was apparently specifically designed
>>>>>> to compel Black and Latino youth to move away. >>>>>> >>>>>> Call for the passage of New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 >>>>>> (Grisanti) and City Council Resolution 0986-2011 (Mark-Viverito) >>>>>> Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm at 1 Police Plaza >>>>>> >>>>>> TRANSIT: #4,5,6 train to Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, J train to >>>>>> Chambers street; R, but never N, to City Hall (Broadway & Warren); A, C to >>>>>> Chambers (at Church St.); #1, 2, 3 to Chambers (at W. Broadway); E to WTC; >>>>>> Police Plz is just east of the 1 Centre St. Municipal Bldg., equivalent of >>>>>> Chambers St.; MAP: <http://ow.ly/5or1N > >>>>>> >>>>>> ["I'll believe it when it's in my hot little hand." - Anon.] >>>>>> = = = >>>>>> >>>>>> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 09:44:17 -0400 >>>>>> From: "Jeremy Saunders, VOCAL-NY" <jeremy@vocal-ny.org> >>>>>> Subject: [Rttc-nyc] Big Victory for NYPD Accountability! >>>>>> >>>>>> In response to mounting pressure, NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly told >>>>>> police officers last week to follow the law and stop making costly and >>>>>> racially biased marijuana arrests, now the number one arrest in New York >>>>>> City. This could translate into tens of thousands of fewer arrests among >>>>>> Black and Latino youth each year. >>>>>> >>>>>> VOCAL-NY led the grassroots effort to end these arrests in >>>>>> collaboration with our allies at the Drug Policy Alliance (DPA) and the >>>>>> Institute for Juvenile Justice Reform and Alternatives (IJJRA). >>>>>> >>>>>> Although marijuana use is higher among whites, 86% of those arrested >>>>>> for marijuana possession last year were Black and Latino youth. The NYPD's >>>>>> aggressive use of stop-and-frisks in communities of color, along with >>>>>> unconstitutional searches that often follow, have largely driven these >>>>>> arrests. Being arrested can mean more than a night in jail too. It can make >>>>>> it difficult for people to find housing, get a job, take care of their >>>>>> family and apply for tuition assistance. >>>>>> >>>>>> Please join us this Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm >>>>>> to celebrate this important victory and call for effective >>>>>> implementation. >>>>>> >>>>>> What: Press conference applauding NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly's policy >>>>>> shift to enforce existing marijuana possession laws and to call for the >>>>>> passage of New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti) and City >>>>>> Council Resolution 0986-2011 (Mark-Viverito) >>>>>> >>>>>> When: Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm
>>>>>> >>>>>> Where: 1 Police Plaza; 4,5,6 train to Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, J >>>>>> train to Chambers street; [or R, but never N, to City Hall (Broadway & >>>>>> Warren); A, C to Chambers (at Church St.); #1, 2, 3 to Chambers (at W. >>>>>> Broadway); E to WTC; Police Plz is just east of the 1 Centre St. Municipal >>>>>> Bldg., equivalent of Chambers St.; map: <http://ow.ly/5or1N > -t.] >>>>>> >>>>>> Who: Drug Policy Alliance, IJJRA, VOCAL-NY, New York Assembly Member >>>>>> Hakeem Jeffries, NYC Council Members Melissa Mark-Viverito and Jumaane D. >>>>>> Williams, advocates, and others >>>>>> >>>>>> BACKGROUND: >>>>>> On Monday, September 19th, responding to mounting public pressure from >>>>>> advocates and elected officials, NYPD police commissioner Ray Kelly issued >>>>>> an operations order that clarified existing marijuana possession laws, >>>>>> instructing officers not to arrest people for marijuana in public view when >>>>>> complying with an officer's demand to "empty their pockets". This change >>>>>> could lead to the reduction of tens of thousands of arrests in New York >>>>>> City. >>>>>> >>>>>> Nearly all of these arrests have been made in defiance of the law. >>>>>> Marijuana has been decriminalized since 1977, making possession of 25 grams >>>>>> or less of marijuana a violation, punishable by a $100 fine, not arrest and >>>>>> jail. However, possessing or burning marijuana in public view is a criminal >>>>>> offense punishable by arrest and jail. >>>>>> >>>>>> Since 1996, the NYPD has made over 535,000 arrests for possession of >>>>>> small amounts of marijuana. In 2010 alone, 50,383 people were arrested for >>>>>> simple marijuana possession, comprising nearly 15% of all arrests and making >>>>>> it the number one arrest in the city. Most of these arrests were not for >>>>>> smoking in public, but were the result of complying with an officer's demand >>>>>> to disclose contraband or from a police search and being improperly charged >>>>>> for "marijuana in public view" instead of the non-criminal violation >>>>>> offense. >>>>>> >>>>>> Join the VOCAL-NY, Drug Policy Alliance and IJJRA, together with >>>>>> elected officials, to applaud the Police Commissioner for his policy change, >>>>>> and to urge cooperation to ensure that officers follow this directive. This >>>>>> operations order can be made permanent, and apply to all of New York state,
>>>>>> City >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > >
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] dangers of not having a clear message, NY Times article Sept 24, Metropolitan section, pg 1 Sunday, September 25, 2011 11:59:13 AM
Here is a letter I sent to the NYtimes as soon as i read their article: To the editor: I have been reading your newspaper loyaly for over thirty years. I have written many letters and had some published, but this one is aimed directly at you. I have been helping to organize Occupy Wall St for months on the ground and online. I am a New York City School teacher with degrees in (capitalist) economics and political science. The 100 to 2,000 people on the ground at Liberty square at any moment are only the tip of the iceberg. There are thousands of people all over the world supporting us in any way they can. Many of us have one or two jobs, or are searching for work, and/or go to school and cannot be there all of the time. We occupy wall st because we can see that transnational banks and other corporations that have no loyalty to people or countries (because their bylaws say they cannot) are using the government to game the system and manipulate markets so that they can gather all of the world's wealth under their control. The New York Times reacts by ignoring us, then fixating on a girl who took her off her shirt and a guy who wants the world to switch to electric cars and demeaning us a "diffuse convocation." Did you bother to visit our media center where we run websites, twitter accounts, a live feed, etc. Did you notice the constant supply of food supplied by the food committee, or the comfort comittee that helps people stay warm at night, or the welcoming comittee with their tables and info? You wonder why there are not large numbers of poor New Yorkers there, but fail to mention that the mainstream media has largely ignored us for more than a week. You mention that we are leaderless but seem unaware that we have a democratic system that uses facilitators to run meetings at which we set an agenda, have orderly discussions, and reach consensus on dozens of issues. These meetings have been ongoing since Bloombergville which you also largely ignored. The process is not as fast as having representatives make backroom deals, but once concensus is reached things get done. We are presently in a painstaking process of finding consensus on a message that we think a majority of the country and the world can get behind, so that most of the 99% can come together and take our planet back from the transnational superclass. Fighting corporations that are larger than most countries is not a one day action. We are in it for the long haul. We are people with memory and vision. If the Tea Party camped out in lower Manhattan it would get wall to wall coverage, and an above the fold article in your paper. I expect the paper of record to do more than make fun of me and my colleagues. I feel betrayed by a paper I loved. -I'm not sure why i am sending this to the list serve except that i write best when I'm pissed.
On 09/25/11, Doug Singsen<dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: Andy Warhol was a great artist, but he is not necessarily the best guide to political strategy. He saw fame as an end in itself, which is not what we are trying to achieve here, so I think that his perspective is actually not something we want to follow. Many people may see the Times article and not look for any further information because of what they read there. Doug On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 7:49 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Absolutely- but remember that Andy Warhol said of press coverage, don't read what they write about you, but measure it in inches. The actual information is a google away for people who are supportive. I am so happy with all the coverage, negative or not, pieces of our motives are getting out there. Well done everyone.
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
The NY Times, which had previously published mainly a large picture of women
dancing bare breasted, now printed a Sunday article by Gina Bellafante which trivializes our movement. One problem with not having demands (or goals? messages?) or spokespersons is that journalists who want to put down our movement and discourage people from joining will get away with quoting only people who make us look unserious. (There is another Times article by Colin Moynihan almost entirely about the arrests which, however, does sum up the purpose of Occupy Wall Street in 1 sentence which says we are against a financial system that participants say favors the rich and powerful over ordinary citizens.) I know the bourgeois media will always attack us, but are we doing enough to inhibit their distortions? Here she quotes a half naked woman dancing on Bway who is said to be time traveling back to 1968 and says Ive been waiting for this all my life, but the context makes dubious what shes been waiting for; someone else says she just came to create spectacles, another wants to get rid of the combustion engine (not a bad idea, but hardly our critique of the domination by the 1%); another is a right wing supporter of Milton Friedman and Ron Paul who just wants to get rid of the Federal Reserve. Similarly the only sign quoted says Even if the world were to end tomorrow, Id still plant a tree and in this context underlines its unconcern for real political change (clamoring for nothing in particular to happen,), not its positive commitment. . With only such messages as evidence, she gets away with implying that we are ignorant about the economy, and mocks our having no demands and our wish to pantomime progressivism rather than practice it knowledgably. We need to make incontestably clear what our message is.
From: september17@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Winter Siroco Five demands from the NYCGA: how to link the struggle for democracy to the struggle for social and economic justice
After a lot of talking and consulting some of us agree with 4 points that everybody may endorse. Of course, everybody should seriously think about specific strategies to accomplish these goals.
Our goals are:
Making the banks, corporations, and the rich pay, Creating a real participatory democracy,
Ending the oppression of all marginalized groups, and
Cesar
Promoting peace, solidarity, and economic justice.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] dangers of not having a clear message, NY Times article Sept 24, Metropolitan section, pg 1 Sunday, September 25, 2011 12:10:21 PM
I like this one better than any of the others I have seen!
On 09/25/11, Jon Good<therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: These are great, but I think they can be tightened up so they are immediately accessible to anyone who reads them regardless of their age, education, or first language.
OUR GOALS ARE 1) Stop the special laws that let banks and corporations take our money and resources 2) Create a real democracy of the people, by the people, and for the people 3) End oppression of all groups 4) Promote peace, solidarity, and economic justice NOTES on why I put them this way: 1) This is a simple statement of how crony capitalism works. 2) Most Americans still do believe in the promise America we learned in grade school, and so referencing Lincoln's Gettysburg Address, while somewhat corny, will totally work. 3) "Marginalized" is a nice word for educated people to use, but it is totally meaningless (or inspires indignation) to people who don't know what it means, or have misconceptions about what it means. No groups should be oppressed. Seriously 4) Is fine the way it is On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree, perhaps it could be OUR GOALS ARE:
To end the Wall Street dictatorship and the aristocratic rights to tax exemption,
Creating a real participatory democracy, Ending the oppression of all marginalized groups, and Promoting peace, solidarity, and economic justice.
Cesar On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 11:32 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: I'm afraid this will just play into the notion that we are a bunch of lazy bums! At least add "pay...their fair share." In general though I think it's safer and true to emphasize that corporate money is controlling our government, which is no longer democratic.
"Making the banks, corporations, and the rich pay"
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: Andy Warhol was a great artist, but he is not necessarily the best guide to political strategy. He saw fame as an end in itself, which is not what we are trying to achieve here, so I think that his perspective is actually not something we want to follow. Many people may see the Times article and not look for any further information because of what they read there. Doug
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 7:49 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Absolutely- but remember that Andy Warhol said of press coverage, don't read what they write about you, but measure it in inches. The actual information is a google away for people who are supportive. I am so happy with all the coverage, negative or not, pieces of our motives are getting out there. Well done everyone.
The NY Times, which had previously published mainly a large picture of women dancing bare breasted, now printed a Sunday article by Gina Bellafante which trivializes our movement. One problem with not having demands (or goals? messages?) or spokespersons is that journalists who want to put down our movement and discourage people from joining will get away with quoting only people who make us look unserious. (There is another Times article by Colin Moynihan almost entirely about the arrests which, however, does sum up the purpose of Occupy Wall Street in 1 sentence which says we are against a financial system that participants say favors the rich and powerful over ordinary citizens.) I know the bourgeois media will always attack us, but are we doing enough to inhibit their distortions? Here she quotes a half naked woman dancing on Bway who is said to be time traveling back to 1968 and says Ive been waiting for this all my life, but the context makes dubious what shes been waiting for; someone else says she just came to create spectacles, another wants to get rid of the combustion engine (not a bad idea, but hardly our critique of the domination by the 1%); another is a right wing supporter of Milton Friedman and Ron Paul who just wants to get rid of the Federal Reserve. Similarly the only sign quoted says Even if the world were to end tomorrow, Id still plant a tree and in this context underlines its unconcern for real political change (clamoring for nothing in particular to happen,), not its positive commitment. . With only such messages as evidence, she gets away with implying that we are ignorant about the economy, and mocks our having no demands and our wish to pantomime progressivism rather than practice it knowledgably.
We need to make incontestably clear what our message is.
After a lot of talking and consulting some of us agree with 4 points that everybody may endorse. Of course, everybody should seriously think about specific strategies to accomplish these goals. Our goals are:
Cesar
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] dangers of not having a clear message, NY Times article Sept 24, Metropolitan section, pg 1 Sunday, September 25, 2011 5:47:50 PM
do anything you want with it
On 09/25/11, Luis Moreno-Caballud<morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: This is great! It is exactly what I wanted to respond to that sad article! can I twit this?
On Sep 25, 2011, at 11:59 AM, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote: Here is a letter I sent to the NYtimes as soon as i read their article: To the editor: I have been reading your newspaper loyaly for over thirty years. I have written many letters and had some published, but this one is aimed directly at you. I have been helping to organize Occupy Wall St for months on the ground and online. I am a New York City School teacher with degrees in (capitalist) economics and political science. The 100 to 2,000 people on the ground at Liberty square at any moment are only the tip of the iceberg. There are thousands of people all over the world supporting us in any way they can. Many of us have one or two jobs, or are searching for work, and/or go to school and cannot be there all of the time. We occupy wall st because we can see that transnational banks and other corporations that have no loyalty to people or countries (because their bylaws say they cannot) are using the government to game the system and manipulate markets so that they can gather all of the world's wealth under their control. The New York Times reacts by ignoring us, then fixating on a girl who took her off her shirt and a guy who wants the world to switch to electric cars and demeaning us a "diffuse convocation." Did you bother to visit our media center where we run websites, twitter accounts, a live feed, etc. Did you notice the constant supply of food supplied by the food committee, or the comfort comittee that helps people stay warm at night, or the welcoming comittee with their tables and info? You wonder why there are not large numbers of poor New Yorkers there, but fail to mention that the mainstream media has largely ignored us for more than a week. You mention that we are leaderless but seem unaware that we have a democratic system that uses facilitators to run meetings at which we set an agenda, have orderly discussions, and reach consensus on dozens of issues. These meetings have been ongoing since Bloombergville which you also largely ignored. The process is not as fast as having representatives make backroom deals, but once concensus is reached things get done. We are presently in a painstaking process of finding consensus on a message that we think a majority of the country and the world can get behind, so that most of the 99% can come together and take our planet back from the transnational superclass. Fighting corporations that are larger than most countries is not a one day action. We are in it for the long haul. We are people with memory and vision. If the Tea Party camped out in lower Manhattan it would get wall to wall coverage, and an above the fold article in your paper. I expect the paper of record to do more than make fun of me and my colleagues. I feel betrayed by a paper I loved. -I'm not sure why i am sending this to the list serve except that i write best when I'm pissed.
On 09/25/11, Doug Singsen<dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote:

Andy Warhol was a great artist, but he is not necessarily the best guide to political strategy. He saw fame as an end in itself, which is not what we are trying to achieve here, so I think that his perspective is actually not something we want to follow. Many people may see the Times article and not look for any further information because of what they read there. Doug On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 7:49 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Absolutely- but remember that Andy Warhol said of press coverage, don't read what they write about you, but measure it in inches. The actual information is a google away for people who are supportive. I am so happy with all the coverage, negative or not, pieces of our motives are getting out there. Well done everyone.
The NY Times, which had previously published mainly a large picture of women dancing bare breasted, now printed a Sunday article by Gina Bellafante which trivializes our movement. One problem with not having demands (or goals? messages?) or spokespersons is that journalists who want to put down our movement and discourage people from joining will get away with quoting only people who make us look unserious. (There is another Times article by Colin Moynihan almost entirely about the arrests which, however, does sum up the purpose of Occupy Wall Street in 1 sentence which says we are against a financial system that participants say favors the rich and powerful over ordinary citizens.) I know the bourgeois media will always attack us, but are we doing enough to inhibit their distortions? Here she quotes a half naked woman dancing on Bway who is said to be time traveling back to 1968 and says Ive been waiting for this all my life, but the context makes dubious what shes been waiting for; someone else says she just came to create spectacles, another wants to get rid of the combustion engine (not a bad idea, but hardly our critique of the domination by the 1%); another is a right wing supporter of Milton Friedman and Ron Paul who just wants to get rid of the Federal Reserve. Similarly the only sign quoted says Even if the world were to end tomorrow, Id still plant a tree and in this context underlines its unconcern for real political change (clamoring for nothing in particular to happen,), not its positive commitment. . With only such messages as evidence, she gets away with implying that we are ignorant about the economy, and mocks our having no demands and our wish to pantomime progressivism rather than practice it knowledgably.
We need to make incontestably clear what our message is.
Cesar
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] dangers of not having a clear message, NY Times article Sept 24, Metropolitan section, pg 1 Sunday, September 25, 2011 11:45:48 AM
Did you all see Dylan Ratigan pit us against the Verizon CEO? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyWrjvN3hvA
On 09/25/11, grimwomyn<grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Absolutely- but remember that Andy Warhol said of press coverage, don't read what they write about you, but measure it in inches. The actual information is a google away for people who are supportive. I am so happy with all the coverage, negative or not, pieces of our motives are getting out there. Well done everyone. On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
The NY Times, which had previously published mainly a large picture of women dancing bare breasted, now printed a Sunday article by Gina Bellafante which trivializes our movement. One problem with not having demands (or goals? messages?) or spokespersons is that journalists who want to put down our movement and discourage people from joining will get away with quoting only people who make us look unserious. (There is another Times article by Colin Moynihan almost entirely about the arrests which, however, does sum up the purpose of Occupy Wall Street in 1 sentence which says we are against a financial system that participants say favors the rich and powerful over ordinary citizens.) I know the bourgeois media will always attack us, but are we doing enough to inhibit their distortions? Here she quotes a half naked woman dancing on Bway who is said to be time traveling back to 1968 and says Ive been waiting for this all my life, but the context makes dubious what shes been waiting for; someone else says she just came to create spectacles, another wants to get rid of the combustion engine (not a bad idea, but hardly our critique of the domination by the 1%); another is a right wing supporter of Milton Friedman and Ron Paul who just wants to get rid of the Federal Reserve. Similarly the only sign quoted says Even if the world were to end tomorrow, Id still plant a tree and in this context underlines its unconcern for real political change (clamoring for nothing in particular to happen,), not its positive commitment. . With only such messages as evidence, she gets away with implying that we are ignorant about the economy, and mocks our having no demands and our wish to pantomime progressivism rather than practice it knowledgably. We need to make incontestably clear what our message is.
Cesar
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] DEMANDS Monday, September 26, 2011 6:31:06 PM
+1
On 09/26/11, gail zawacki<witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote:
"Everyone already knows we want universal health care, egalitarian rights, universal shelter, universal sustenance."
Everyone does NOT know that. Keep it Simple - What is our one Simple Demand? Get corporate money out of politics. All other things will follow if this country turns back into a real democracy - the reason it isn't a democracy anymore is corporate money influencing the political process. If there was no health care lobbying we would have universal health care. If there was no fossil fuel lobbying we would have climate science instead of lies. We would have regulations and legislation. If there was no lobbying by Lockheed Martin and Blackwater - the profiteers of war - we wouldn't have war. If banks didn't have lobbying we wouldn't have had the bubbles and the housing crisis. Etc. This does not need to be enumerated, because individually it will be contentious as someone already noted. But one person one vote is something Americans of all stripes can agree on - and a people's government will follow that can thrash out the details. So, the simple demand is corporate (and this includes the banks) money out of politics. No more campaign contributions, political ads, funding of "think tanks" or "foundations" producing political ads. All money for politics comes from actual human voters, with limits on spending. Now that WOULD be a revolution. Woke up with this on my mind! On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 3:15 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
But some of us are at New Yorkers Against Budget Cuts at 6:30- also in the park. How will that work?
From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Winter Siroco Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 1:52 AM To: september17@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [september17discuss] DEMANDS
We got this as the first item agenda for tomorrow GA at 7. I have been following the online chats and consulting with people on the ground and I think the current draft is representative of the collective thought. It is an advanced version to the original draft that I posted, in another thread, from the team that worked on this a couple of days ago. We will try to get it also online before the GA discussion.
Cesar On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:46 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: Hi I have spent all Sunday at Liberty Plaza with the draft that we were elaborating in another thread that started as 5 demands.... I think that if the subject is the same we should keep the thread instead of starting new ones, so that we are all in the same page.
I did not go for discussion/approval because of a misunderstanding of facilitators. During the morning assembly the people was very receptive go establish some general goals. For the same reasons stated here.
I can not pass the draft because it ended having the input from the people at Liberty Plaza in paper. We typed in a computer/projector setup but the draft was not mailed to me. In any case it includes the major ideas posted here, but with other wording at this point.
Beneath that, three points of what our goals: Stop

special treatment for banks, corporations, and the super-rich; a real democracy of the people, by the people, and for the people;
Create
Build solidarity and economic justice for all
Nevertheless, I would not present this together with an strategy to accomplish those goals. The strategies will be more contentious, but nevertheless should start to be elaborated, and probably subdivided by teams.
Cesar
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:40 AM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: I believe we can't keep coming up with interim solutions. The world is watching us right
now. We need real demands now. Something everyone from college professors to 8th graders at NYC public schools can understand and support.
Here is my proposal for a sort of "hierarchy of information" where we start with one overarching message: Democracy for the people, not the corporations .
Beneath that, three points of what our goals: Stop

special treatment for banks, corporations, and the super-rich; a real democracy of the people, by the people, and for the people;
Create
Build solidarity and economic justice for all
And below that, the specific action items: - Stop the housing crisis. Halt all foreclosures due to predatory lending and huge medical bills. - Stop gambling people's savings on Wall Street. Reinstate the 1933 Glass-Steagall Act that separated investment banking from commercial banking. - Tax all financial transactions as we tax all goods through a sales tax. Introduce a Robin Hood Tax on all financial transactions now. - Repeal the Tax Reconciliation Act (the Bush tax cuts) now. Pair the taxes on long-term capital gains to the income tax. - Corporations are not and will never be people. End corporate personhood under the 14th Amendment. - Ban all corporate funding to political candidates. Introduce a tax bonus that allows each taxpayer to donate the same amount of money to a candidate or party of his or her choice. - Radical reform of the electoral system. Enable new political formations to compete on an equal footing with the two major parties.
I hate to admit it, but words like "oppression" and even "peace" really sets off many among the 99% of the American heartland who still think we're just a bunch of crazy hippies. We're not all a bunch of crazy hippies and we have to prove that to the 99% we claim (rightfully) to represent. But that's 300 million people we have to stay in touch with.
I also think that "The 99%" is a good thing to start referring to ourselves.
Solidarity,
Jon
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:27 AM, Matthew Bralow <mbralow@gmail.com> wrote: should be brought up at tomorrow eve's GA! hopefully we can come to some type of interim resolution by end of meeting On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:23 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: > Agreed. I am in contact with very long-time activists and this is at the > core of their criticism. > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:18 AM, Chuck Schumer <csr2091@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> As I have noted publicly in a number of GA's, I am downright sick, tired >> and embarrassed of the lack of concrete demands. Without specific demands, >> this is nothing but a glorified camping trip. All the negative press >> critiques this occupation for its lack of specific demands. With concrete, >> reasonable, well-explained and well-researched demands, we will be taken far >> more seriously and have more legitimacy with which to respond to attacks and >> police brutality. >> >> I understand that there is a process and that that process is slow. >> However, I have heard so many other unimportant things addressed at the GA, >> and Saturday night (when the energy from the march was so high!) there were >> two concerts going on at either end of the plaza but no productive work >> being done. At the very least, we must publish an explanation of WHY there >> are no demands yet and HOW those demands are being formulated. >> >> I'm writing this in part to relieve and express my frustration, but also >> to make it extremely clear that I consider this issue enough to consider >> implementing a block on my very involvement in this occupation. I can't keep >> justifying the work and money I am putting in to this movement, however >> beautiful and inspiring and joyous and necessary it is if there is no clear >> goal. >> >> That's all I have to say about that, I suppose. I know everyone is working >> so hard, and I love and support all of you. Nonetheless, this issue needs to >> be addressed immediately. >> > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] DEMANDS Monday, September 26, 2011 6:03:45 PM
I like this. I like the defferent levels of detail.
On 09/26/11, Jon Good<therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: I believe we can't keep coming up with interim solutions. The world is watching us right now. We need real demands now. Something everyone from college professors to 8th graders at NYC public schools can understand and support. Here is my proposal for a sort of "hierarchy of information" where we start with one overarching message: Democracy for the people, not the corporations. Beneath that, three points of what our goals: Stop special treatment for banks, corporations, and the super-rich; Create a real democracy of the people, by the people, and for the people; Build solidarity and economic justice for all And below that, the specific action items: - Stop the housing crisis. Halt all foreclosures due to predatory lending and huge medical bills. - Stop gambling people's savings on Wall Street. Reinstate the 1933 Glass-Steagall Act that separated investment banking from commercial banking. - Tax all financial transactions as we tax all goods through a sales tax. Introduce a Robin Hood Tax on all financial transactions now. - Repeal the Tax Reconciliation Act (the Bush tax cuts) now. Pair the taxes on long-term capital gains to the income tax. - Corporations are not and will never be people. End corporate personhood under the 14th Amendment. - Ban all corporate funding to political candidates. Introduce a tax bonus that allows each taxpayer to donate the same amount of money to a candidate or party of his or her choice. - Radical reform of the electoral system. Enable new political formations to compete on an equal footing with the two major parties.
I hate to admit it, but words like "oppression" and even "peace" really sets off many among the 99% of the American heartland who still think we're just a bunch of crazy hippies. We're not all a bunch of crazy hippies and we have to prove that to the 99% we claim (rightfully) to represent. But that's 300 million people we have to stay in touch with. I also think that "The 99%" is a good thing to start referring to ourselves. Solidarity, Jon
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:27 AM, Matthew Bralow <mbralow@gmail.com> wrote: should be brought up at tomorrow eve's GA! hopefully we can come to some type of interim resolution by end of meeting On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:23 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: > Agreed. I am in contact with very long-time activists and this is at the > core of their criticism. > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:18 AM, Chuck Schumer <csr2091@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> As I have noted publicly in a number of GA's, I am downright sick, tired >> and embarrassed of the lack of concrete demands. Without specific demands, >> this is nothing but a glorified camping trip. All the negative press >> critiques this occupation for its lack of specific demands. With concrete, >> reasonable, well-explained and well-researched demands, we will be taken far >> more seriously and have more legitimacy with which to respond to attacks and >> police brutality. >> >> I understand that there is a process and that that process is slow. >> However, I have heard so many other unimportant things addressed at the GA, >> and Saturday night (when the energy from the march was so high!) there were >> two concerts going on at either end of the plaza but no productive work >> being done. At the very least, we must publish an explanation of WHY there >> are no demands yet and HOW those demands are being formulated. >> >> I'm writing this in part to relieve and express my frustration, but also >> to make it extremely clear that I consider this issue enough to consider >> implementing a block on my very involvement in this occupation. I can't keep >> justifying the work and money I am putting in to this movement, however >> beautiful and inspiring and joyous and necessary it is if there is no clear >> goal. >> >> That's all I have to say about that, I suppose. I know everyone is working >> so hard, and I love and support all of you. Nonetheless, this issue needs to >> be addressed immediately. >> > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Five demands from the NYCGA: how to link the struggle for democracy to the struggle for social and economic justice Sunday, September 25, 2011 6:05:56 PM
Please write something that my 14 year old inner city high school students can glance at and decide that we are on their side. We are trying to reach the 99%, not the Ivory Tower. How do we get pople to stop watching Jersey Shore and go out on the street to demand change? Not with 'reinstate Glass Steagal.' By the way the only way to end corporate person hood is to pass a constitutional amendment or get so many liberal judges on the court that they actually overturn precedent. We need to have a broad vision of society that seems fair to most people. The details of legislation will be worked out after we get 12million people on the street. It will take at least that to force any change. (I should have stayed at Liberty Plaza last night. I came home to do work and get things done, but spent almost the whole day writing emails and watching protest videos lol. :) ) By the way if you havent seen it search for umbrella flashmob @ liberty plaza On 09/25/11, Snafu<snafu@thething.it> wrote: Dear Jon, Cesar, Jem, Grymwomyn, et. al. I am seeing you are working on these 4 points. I think we can be more specific without being cryptic. I have simplified the seven demands by dividing each of them in two sentences. The first part of the sentence express a concept in general terms, the second demands a specific action on the side of the government. These demands should not be addressed to the government but used to talk to the press and involve other people:
- Stop the housing crisis. Halt all foreclosures due to predatory lending and unpaid medical bills. - Stop gambling people's savings on Wall Street. Reinstate the 1933 Glass-Steagall Act that separated investment banking from commercial banking. - Tax all financial transactions as we tax all goods through a sales tax. Introduce a Robin Hood Tax on all financial transactions now. - Pair the taxes on long-term capital gains to the income tax. Repeal the Tax Reconciliation Act now. - Corporations are not and will never be people. End corporate personhood under the 14th Amendment. - Ban all corporate funding to political candidates. Introduce a tax bonus that allows each taxpayer to donate the same amount of money to a candidate or party of his or her choice. - Radical reform of the electoral system. Enable new political formations to compete on an equal foot with the two major parties.
On 9/25/11 12:35 PM, Winter Siroco wrote: I think I like the previous suggestion better: End control of the government by global banks, corporations, and billionaires and I would keep the others in the shorten version because the extensions are redundant, it is implicit, except for the vulnerable groups so:
End control of the government by global banks, corporations and billionaires, Creating a real participatory democracy Ending the oppression on all marginalized and vulnerable groups. Promoting peace, solidarity, and opportunity for all.
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 11:54 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: How about:
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: I agree, perhaps it could be OUR GOALS ARE:
Cesar On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: "Making the banks, corporations and the rich pay" is a bit vengeful and I think too openended. Besides, we don't want them just to pay, we want to change the system that allows them to amass such huge wealth and influence in the first place. The way banks work is that ordinary people put their savings into banks*, and the banks take our money and sling it around and invest it in all kinds of corporate and capital projects to help big corporations squeeze out the little guys and leverage their money to invade further facets of our lives (schools, hospitals, prisons, etc). I think the first goal should read something closer to "end the control of government and the economy by banks, corporations, and the rich." or "end the control of our lives by the crony system between big business and big government." I'm aware that the phrase "big government" is a loaded term that conjures up visions of black helicopters and wasteful spending among the Tea Party and Republicans, but the thing is that there are black helicopters and wasteful spending, it's just that the welfare queens and are actually corporations and not poor single women. So I think that's not too bad of a way to bridge the gap. *It's really sick when you think of it as a co-operative where everybody pools all our wealth in one place, and then the bankers use it to amass huge wealth for themselves and make us powerless There's all kinds of parts of the finance world where the super rich form what are basically co-ops for their exclusive benefit (a good example is the Depository Trust and Clearing Corporation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dtcc). In solidarity, Jon
No, no the original is better Making the banks, corporations, and the rich pay
From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Winter Siroco Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 1:48 AM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: [september17discuss] Five demands from the NYCGA: how to link the struggle for democracy to the struggle for social and economic justice
Yes, the first needs reworking.
What about:
Our goals are:
To end the Wall Street bending of the law, and the aristocratic right to tax
exemption,
Creating a real participatory democracy,

Cesar
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 12:13 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote:
Making the banks, corporations, and the rich pay, sounds so stupid and greedy! DON'T let that happen.
Corporations do not have children, they do not have souls, the exist for short-term profit and they control our government. People don't have a voice - it is drowned out by corporate messaging, lobbyists on their behalf, campaign contributions.
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 12:05 AM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:

I can get behind this. Can we all agree on a message soon? Our soundbite world is unable to comprehend complexity. Many keep calling us stupid because we think too much. lol
On 09/24/11, Winter Siroco<wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: After a lot of talking and consulting some of us agree with 4 points that everybody may endorse. Of course, everybody should seriously think about specific strategies to accomplish these goals.
On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 10:59 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: +1
On 09/24/11, Winter Siroco<wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: Yes, simple, broad and not demands but goals. Cesar On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Willie Osterweil <wosterweil@gmail.com> wrote: I think if we use demands at all we need to be focused on simple, clear demands that will enlarge our ranks. The house/senate wont pass anything even remotely looking like a change in wealth distribution, the Obama administration bends over backwards to appease the bi -partisan banks, the Supreme Court declares that proof of innocence is insufficient cause for a stay of execution, and the media will always distort and misrepresent, either through malice or incompetence. Thus, any sort of wonky policy demand that speaks only to the already politically active is unproductive and serves to marginalize and entrench the protest into a pre -exiting middle-class protest community. The government will give us nothing, we need to build the numbers to take... The only positive function of demands is solidarity and recruitment: the simpler, broader and more universal, the better.
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: ...true, true...so, what would be your positive contribution or rearangement of priorities ? be constructive. Cesar
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Willie Osterweil <wosterweil@gmail.com> wrote: And nothing gets the blood of the people stirring like a call to reinstate Glass -Steagall. Yup, I can see it now, the media suddenly exploding with coverage, the ramparts filling with the oppressed and underrepresented: "They've called for the reinstatement of Glass -Steagall! Quickly, comrades, to arms! To arms! For Glass Steagall!"
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 8:58 AM, diane sare <dwsare@gmail.com> wrote: Glass -Steagall would bust up the "too big to fail" banks, let the speculators rot, as they should, and protect the small savings and loan banks, which means people's savings, mortgages, there would be hope for pension funds, etc. In other words, Glass -Steagall would bankrupt Wall Street -- it's not the whole recovery, but it IS the first step to protecting the PEOPLE, and making it possible to think long -term about radical things we used to do, like water management, rail building etc. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Snafu <snafu@thething.it> wrote: Hi all, I apologize for being off-list and off-the-streets for a few days, but I was lucky enough to become a father on September 17! I personally believe that the obstination of some members of the NYCGA on not having demands has proved disastrous and resulted in a PR debacle. Invariably, almost all mainstream media accounts of the protests note that the demonstrators have confused ideas and are probably motivated by merely ideological motives. Further, this refusal of having demands has nothing to do with the current movements in the Middle East, Spain and Greece all of which have clear and loud demands. In the case of Arab countries and Middle Eastern autocracies the demand cannot be but one (remove the dictator). In Greece and Spain the situation is more complex but the movements there have been able to develop specific analyses and requests. In particular the Joint Economics Working Group of Syntagma Square and Puerta del Sol have drafted a document (http://bit.ly/npCWkg) that lists a specific set of demands, such as the request of nationalizing the banks, withdrawing the EU/IMF Memorandum imposed on Greece, make the accounting records transparent, and so forth. As I have previously suggested, the three simple demands that the NYCGA should have raised in the call to Occupy Wall Street should have been: 1) Reintroduction of the Glass-Steagall Act,
a law regulating the bank system that separated investment banks from commercial banks. This law, originally approved in 1933 and signed into law by FDR has been repealed in 1999. As Wikipedia simply states it, "Most economists believe this repeal directly contributed to the severity of the Financial crisis of 20072011 by allowing Wall Street investment banking firms to gamble with their depositors' money that was held in commercial banks owned or created by the investment firms." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass Steagall_Act
2) Immediate introduction of a Tobin Tax or Robin Hood Tax on all financial transactions both at a national and international level. On a national level, it would be sufficient for Congress to pass it. On an international level, the IMF could subordinate loans to countries in debt to the introduction of a Tobin Tax instead of requiring massive privatizations as it ordinarily does through the notorious structural adjustment programs. In Europe, Angela Merkel and Nicholas Sarkozy have officialized their support to the introduction of such tax in the EU about three weeks ago. Last June over 1,000 economist submitted a letter by 1,000 economists to the G20 last April that explains why the idea of a global Robin Hood Tax has come of age. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/apr/13/robin-hood-taxeconomists-letter) Robinhoodtax.org, a web site run by a British NGO that explains in very simple terms how it works and how much revenue it could generate. The NGO also has a Facebook page. 3) Raise taxes on qualified dividends and long-term capital gains by pairing the long-term capital gains tax rate (which applies to financial assets held for more than a year) to the ordinary income tax rates. At the moment, thanks to the Tax Reconciliation Act signed by Bush into law in 2006 and extended by the Obama administration to 2012 and beyond, capital gains cannot be taxed more than 20% whereas income tax is taxed up to 35%. This means that if your wage falls for example in the $35,000-83,000
bracket your income tax is 25% whereas if you make 1, 10, or 100 million dollars on the stock market your pay 20% only. Even Warren Buffett says that this system is openly unjust and that the current taxation system is profoundly unbalanced and skewed towards financial profit. (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/stop-coddling-the-superrich.html) These three proposals are far from revolutionary yet they could begin raising specific questions and help bring a variety of subjects into the conversation. The notion that a movement is defined by its demands is ridiculous. A social
movement is much more than a set of demands yet demands help those who are not on your side understand who you are and where you come from. Two other critical points that should be discussed in the GA are the public funding of political campaigns and the two-party system. A paramount political objective should be to get corporations to stop funding political candidates. You cannot have real democracy with the current system of fundraising. A truly democratic system would give each citizen a tax bonus of the SAME AMOUNT and enable each one of us to decide how to allocate such money. A truly democratic society should also not rely on forms of political representation based on a majoritarian (first-past-the-post) electoral system. If we are the 99% of the country, then we ought to be able to convince the rest of the nation that the 99% counts in fact nothing. And corporate funding and the two-party system should be the two main targets of a campaign for real democracy. To sum up, the question of the redistribution of wealth and democratic control over the financial system cannot be disconnected from the question of political representation. Organizing a movement that fights "against representative politics" does not mean in my opinion to fight against *any* form of representation, but certainly against the current system of representation. We are over 6 billions on this planet. Thinking that each individual should have the right to decide on every issue in every part of the world at all times may sound fascinating but it is simply unrealistic and unrealizable. Whether we like it or not, we constantly delegate to others the understanding of issues and execution of tasks we simply do not have the time to understand and care about. (The worldwide professionalization of national armies and the advanced specialization of knowledge in scientific and academic research are just two notable cases in point). Thus the question is not how to abolish authority and representation per se but how to produce forms of representation that are truly representative, renewable and non-ossified. The NYCGA could be such a body, once we live behind the rather childish notion that demands define us and by defining us trap us in some blind alley from which we'll be unable to move forward. Cheers, Snafu
-Diane Sare cell: 201 -220 -7731
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Local News says that OWS may soon be thrown out of Zuccotti Park Monday, September 26, 2011 6:29:36 PM
Sorry, one of the local stations, i think it was ABC, said it real fast this morning and I posted my message just before I ran out to work. Hopefully they don't know what their talking about. Seems that I was wrong about the cops coming late Sunday, fortunately. Keep an eye out.
On 09/26/11, Justin Wedes<jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Source? Links? Justin Wedes Activist & Educator, Brooklyn Use your voice! Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab ~ On Sep 26, 2011, at 6:23 AM, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote: The local news says that the protesters may soon be thrown out of zuccotti park and that dozens were arrested yesterday. Pls contact the park and tell them if possible.
On 09/26/11, Justin Wedes<jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: This would be great! We are working on a sound permit. -justin On Sep 26, 2011, at 4:25 AM, Jackie DiSalvo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See also proposal of New Yorkers Against Budget Cuts for daily speak-outs at 6 PM, which is also one kind of thing the Labor. I understand that's not the same as a Free University. We can do both. -----Original Message----From: Jackie DiSalvo [mailto:jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com] The Labor Working Group has been thinking about bringing speakers, we can work with you (especially since you're in the group). -----Original Message----From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of NicolasMoselleAllen Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 2:31 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com
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Subject: [september17discuss] confirmed, Richard Wolff at Occupy Wall Street, date and time TBD hey gang! The good people of the Brecht Forum have informed me that Marxist economist Richard Wolff has confirmed that he will come to speak at Liberty Plaza, although at the moment he can't confirm date or time. With this good news and a little bit of time for planning, can we start to organize for a Free School weekend teach-in? I'm ashamed to say that I haven't been at the Park as much I would like so I don't know how the following weeks will be scheduled. In a previous message we had discussed using the 6pm Open Forum has a platform for lectures. Is someone else interested in helping me organize a Free School? I know many people, like Jackie, have more organizing experience than I do, not to mention more connections with academics and intellectuals. Ok! Thanks! Nico
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Local News says that OWS may soon be thrown out of Zuccotti Park Monday, September 26, 2011 6:25:13 AM
The local news says that the protesters may soon be thrown out of zuccotti park and that dozens were arrested yesterday. Pls contact the park and tell them if possible.
On 09/26/11, Justin Wedes<jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: This would be great! We are working on a sound permit. -justin On Sep 26, 2011, at 4:25 AM, Jackie DiSalvo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See also proposal of New Yorkers Against Budget Cuts for daily speak-outs at 6 PM, which is also one kind of thing the Labor. I understand that's not the same as a Free University. We can do both. -----Original Message----From: Jackie DiSalvo [mailto:jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com] The Labor Working Group has been thinking about bringing speakers, we can work with you (especially since you're in the group). -----Original Message----From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of NicolasMoselleAllen Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 2:31 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: [september17discuss] confirmed, Richard Wolff at Occupy Wall Street, date and time TBD hey gang! The good people of the Brecht Forum have informed me that Marxist economist Richard Wolff has confirmed that he will come to speak at Liberty Plaza, although at the moment he can't confirm date or time. With this good news and a little bit of time for planning, can we start to organize for a Free School weekend teach-in? I'm ashamed to say that I haven't been at the Park as much I would like so I don't know how the following weeks will be scheduled. In a previous message we had discussed using the 6pm Open Forum has a platform for lectures. Is someone else interested in helping me organize a Free School? I know many people, like Jackie, have more organizing experience than I do, not to mention more connections with academics and intellectuals. Ok! Thanks! Nico
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Massive each expansion! Tuesday, September 27, 2011 7:28:08 PM
The consensus process is slow and powerful--like a river.
On 09/27/11, grimwomyn<grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: fyi: http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/09/occupy-wall-street? utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Motherjones%2Fmojoblog+%28MotherJones.com+|+MoJoBlog%29
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:40 AM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: We will be developing a newsprint broad sheet for mass distribution. ( kinda like a newspaper, but don't call it that :) We will run between 50,000 and 100,000 copies. We hope to have it done by Friday or Saturday. If you would like to help with this, please come by The Red Thing, on the south east part of our square at 12pm today. We would love to have a calendar in there, so please, please set up events for next week, so we can include them! Put events on the calendar, post them here... I think we have about 24 hours before printing....
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: RE: [september17discuss] Matt taibbi coming tomorrow Wednesday, September 28, 2011 5:56:58 PM
We need every angle to reach millions. You can't get media by chasing away the media. I would say that you don't mess with stack though. Anyone that shows up to a GA must get on stack.
On 09/28/11, Jackie DiSalvo<jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
Its true that in this society celebrity brings unjust privilege, but because these people are well known, their presence brings us more publicity and helps outreach. And Taibibi is a progressive journalist who shares some of our politics, has been one of the main writers attacking Wall St (Why Hasnt Anyone From Wall St Gone to Jail?) and is probably coming to give us supportive coverage. It helps to know such people are around, so we can influence that coverage. Id like to know he was here.
From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lucas Vazquez Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 7:04 AM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] Matt taibbi coming tomorrow
But it does not give the privilege and distinction at the decision-making process On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 2:06 AM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: I am against "special guests". Their influence and fame already gives them plenty of privilege and distinction at the occupation.
Love,
Jon
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:08 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: RT @alexfethiere: @mtaibbi says he'll visit #occupywallstreet Wed 9-28: http://t.co/VX2Y7zld Here's pic. Welcome him! http://t.co/8OcGNjvr A thought: should we have "special guests" at GA's? No special privileges, just shouting out influential folks who come out Justin Wedes
Activist & Educator, Brooklyn Use your voice! Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab ~
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Re: Local News says that OWS may soon be thrown out of Zuccotti Park Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:33:16 AM
ok-- sorry if I jumped a little too high... :/ On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:28 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: I took it as eviction notice, notice in the sense that IF they choose to, they will be able to say notice had been given.. It said you can't lie down so how could people sleep? I thought Justin in his 2 second sound bite sounded pretty good. And besides, getting out of the park is what the city doesn't want to happen. We would be much more serious trouble on the streets. On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:03 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Justin, you were on WNYC saying that the documents with the site rules that Brookfield were giving out were "essentially eviction notices." Which isn't true, right? They were requests for the site to be cleaner... OWS needs to play nice with Brookfield, or at least seem to be, if pro-business people are to be brought over to the the OWS vision, which is what needs to happen if we are working towards systemic change. And that is what I am committed to working towards.
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 12:03 AM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
If they give us a sound permit I'll eat my hat! More likely to get one at a different location through a third party.
On 09/26/11, grimwomyn<grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: awesome! let me know if you need support or backup to go with you-- GOOD LUCK! I am burning candles for OWS getting it! On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:08 PM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Has anyone already been to the precinct to request a sound permit? If not, I'm planning to go tomorrow around 11am.
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:03 PM, Lauren <laurendapfraiz@gmail.com> wrote: A sound permit is the element that would significantly change the current dynamic of the assemblies. Being able to organize assembies with a loudspeaker instead the peoples mike would be a dream come true. Imagine having GAs where we could speak normally again! If you need help in any way with getting the permit please inform us. On Sep 26, 3:29 pm, jemcgl...@verizon.net wrote: > Sorry, one of the local stations, i think it was ABC, said it real fast this morning and I posted my
message just before I ran out to work. Hopefully they don't know what their talking about. Seems that I was wrong about the cops coming late Sunday, fortunately. Keep an eye out. > > > > > > > > On 09/26/11,Justin Wedes<jwedes@gmail.com>wrote:Source? Links?Justin Wedes > > Activist & Educator, Brooklyn > > > > Use your voice! > > Web:www.OurSchoolsNYC.org > > Twitter: NYCPubSchooler > > > >~ > > There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out atUSUncut.org/yeslab > >~ > > > On Sep 26, 2011, at 6:23 AM,jemcgloin@verizon.netwrote: > > > > The local news says that the protesters may soon be thrown out of zuccotti park and that dozens were arrested yesterday. Pls contact the park and tell them if possible. > > > > > > > > On 09/26/11,Justin Wedes<jwedes@gmail.com>wrote:This would be great! > We are working on asoundpermit. > -justin > On Sep 26, 2011, at 4:25 AM, Jackie DiSalvo wrote: > > See also proposal of New Yorkers Against Budget Cuts for daily speak-outs at > > 6 PM, which is also one kind of thing the Labor. I understand that's not the > > same as a Free University. We can do both. >> > > -----Original Message----> > From: Jackie DiSalvo [mailto:jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com] >> > > The Labor Working Group has been thinking about bringing speakers, we can > > work with you (especially since you're in the group). >>
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-----Original Message----From:september17@googlegroups.com[mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of NicolasMoselleAllen Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 2:31 PM To:september17@googlegroups.com Subject: [september17discuss] confirmed, Richard Wolff at Occupy Wall Street, date and time TBD hey gang! The good people of the Brecht Forum have informed me that Marxist economist Richard Wolff has confirmed that he will come to speak at Liberty Plaza, although at the moment he can't confirm date or time. With this good news and a little bit of time for planning, can we start to organize for a Free School weekend teach-in? I'm ashamed to say that I haven't been at the Park as much I would like so I don't know how the following weeks will be scheduled. In a previous message we had discussed using the 6pm Open Forum has a platform for lectures. Is someone else interested in helping me organize a Free School? I know many people, like Jackie, have more organizing experience than I do, not to mention more connections with academics and intellectuals. Ok! Thanks! Nico
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Re: Local News says that OWS may soon be thrown out of Zuccotti Park Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:28:38 AM
I took it as eviction notice, notice in the sense that IF they choose to, they will be able to say notice had been given.. It said you can't lie down so how could people sleep? I thought Justin in his 2 second sound bite sounded pretty good. And besides, getting out of the park is what the city doesn't want to happen. We would be much more serious trouble on the streets. On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 9:03 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Justin, you were on WNYC saying that the documents with the site rules that Brookfield were giving out were "essentially eviction notices." Which isn't true, right? They were requests for the site to be cleaner... OWS needs to play nice with Brookfield, or at least seem to be, if pro-business people are to be brought over to the the OWS vision, which is what needs to happen if we are working towards systemic change. And that is what I am committed to working towards.
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 12:03 AM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:03 PM, Lauren <laurendapfraiz@gmail.com> wrote: A sound permit is the element that would significantly change the current dynamic of the assemblies. Being able to organize assembies with a loudspeaker instead the peoples mike would be a dream come true. Imagine having GAs where we could speak normally again! If you need help in any way with getting the permit please inform us. On Sep 26, 3:29 pm, jemcgl...@verizon.net wrote: > Sorry, one of the local stations, i think it was ABC, said it real fast this morning and I posted my message just before I ran out to work. Hopefully they don't know what their talking about. Seems that I was wrong about the cops coming late Sunday, fortunately. Keep an eye out. > >
> > > > > > On 09/26/11,Justin Wedes<jwedes@gmail.com>wrote:Source? Links?Justin Wedes > > Activist & Educator, Brooklyn > > > > Use your voice! > > Web:www.OurSchoolsNYC.org > > Twitter: NYCPubSchooler > > > >~ > > There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out atUSUncut.org/yeslab > >~ > > > On Sep 26, 2011, at 6:23 AM,jemcgloin@verizon.netwrote: > > > > The local news says that the protesters may soon be thrown out of zuccotti park and that dozens were arrested yesterday. Pls contact the park and tell them if possible. > > > > > > > > On 09/26/11,Justin Wedes<jwedes@gmail.com>wrote:This would be great! > We are working on asoundpermit. > -justin > On Sep 26, 2011, at 4:25 AM, Jackie DiSalvo wrote: > > See also proposal of New Yorkers Against Budget Cuts for daily speak-outs at > > 6 PM, which is also one kind of thing the Labor. I understand that's not the > > same as a Free University. We can do both. >> > > -----Original Message----> > From: Jackie DiSalvo [mailto:jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com] >> > > The Labor Working Group has been thinking about bringing speakers, we can > > work with you (especially since you're in the group). >> > > -----Original Message----> > From:september17@googlegroups.com[mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On > > Behalf Of NicolasMoselleAllen > > Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 2:31 PM
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To:september17@googlegroups.com Subject: [september17discuss] confirmed, Richard Wolff at Occupy Wall Street, date and time TBD hey gang! The good people of the Brecht Forum have informed me that Marxist economist Richard Wolff has confirmed that he will come to speak at Liberty Plaza, although at the moment he can't confirm date or time. With this good news and a little bit of time for planning, can we start to organize for a Free School weekend teach-in? I'm ashamed to say that I haven't been at the Park as much I would like so I don't know how the following weeks will be scheduled. In a previous message we had discussed using the 6pm Open Forum has a platform for lectures. Is someone else interested in helping me organize a Free School? I know many people, like Jackie, have more organizing experience than I do, not to mention more connections with academics and intellectuals. Ok! Thanks! Nico
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Re: Local News says that OWS may soon be thrown out of Zuccotti Park Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:05:59 AM
Justin, you were on WNYC saying that the documents with the site rules that Brookfield were giving out were "essentially eviction notices." Which isn't true, right? They were requests for the site to be cleaner... OWS needs to play nice with Brookfield, or at least seem to be, if pro-business people are to be brought over to the the OWS vision, which is what needs to happen if we are working towards systemic change. And that is what I am committed to working towards. On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 12:03 AM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:03 PM, Lauren <laurendapfraiz@gmail.com> wrote: A sound permit is the element that would significantly change the current dynamic of the assemblies. Being able to organize assembies with a loudspeaker instead the peoples mike would be a dream come true. Imagine having GAs where we could speak normally again! If you need help in any way with getting the permit please inform us. On Sep 26, 3:29 pm, jemcgl...@verizon.net wrote: > Sorry, one of the local stations, i think it was ABC, said it real fast this morning and I posted my message just before I ran out to work. Hopefully they don't know what their talking about. Seems that I was wrong about the cops coming late Sunday, fortunately. Keep an eye out. > > > > > > > > On 09/26/11,Justin Wedes<jwedes@gmail.com>wrote:Source? Links?Justin Wedes > > Activist & Educator, Brooklyn > > > > Use your voice! >
> Web:www.OurSchoolsNYC.org > > Twitter: NYCPubSchooler > > > >~ > > There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out atUSUncut.org/yeslab > >~ > > > On Sep 26, 2011, at 6:23 AM,jemcgloin@verizon.netwrote: > > > > The local news says that the protesters may soon be thrown out of zuccotti park and that dozens were arrested yesterday. Pls contact the park and tell them if possible. > > > > > > > > On 09/26/11,Justin Wedes<jwedes@gmail.com>wrote:This would be great! > We are working on asoundpermit. > -justin > On Sep 26, 2011, at 4:25 AM, Jackie DiSalvo wrote: > > See also proposal of New Yorkers Against Budget Cuts for daily speak-outs at > > 6 PM, which is also one kind of thing the Labor. I understand that's not the > > same as a Free University. We can do both. >> > > -----Original Message----> > From: Jackie DiSalvo [mailto:jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com] >> > > The Labor Working Group has been thinking about bringing speakers, we can > > work with you (especially since you're in the group). >> > > -----Original Message----> > From:september17@googlegroups.com[mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On > > Behalf Of NicolasMoselleAllen > > Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 2:31 PM > > To:september17@googlegroups.com > > Subject: [september17discuss] confirmed, Richard Wolff at Occupy Wall > > Street, date and time TBD >> > > hey gang! >> > > The good people of the Brecht Forum have informed me that Marxist > > economist Richard Wolff has confirmed that he will come to speak at > > Liberty Plaza, although at the moment he can't confirm date or time. >> > > With this good news and a little bit of time for planning, can we > > start to organize for a Free School weekend teach-in? I'm ashamed to > > say that I haven't been at the Park as much I would like so I don't
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know how the following weeks will be scheduled. In a previous message we had discussed using the 6pm Open Forum has a platform for lectures. Is someone else interested in helping me organize a Free School? I know many people, like Jackie, have more organizing experience than I do, not to mention more connections with academics and intellectuals. Ok! Thanks! Nico
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Re: Local News says that OWS may soon be thrown out of Zuccotti Park Tuesday, September 27, 2011 12:03:41 AM
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:03 PM, Lauren <laurendapfraiz@gmail.com> wrote: A sound permit is the element that would significantly change the current dynamic of the assemblies. Being able to organize assembies with a loudspeaker instead the peoples mike would be a dream come true. Imagine having GAs where we could speak normally again! If you need help in any way with getting the permit please inform us. On Sep 26, 3:29 pm, jemcgl...@verizon.net wrote: > Sorry, one of the local stations, i think it was ABC, said it real fast this morning and I posted my message just before I ran out to work. Hopefully they don't know what their talking about. Seems that I was wrong about the cops coming late Sunday, fortunately. Keep an eye out. > > > > > > > > On 09/26/11,Justin Wedes<jwedes@gmail.com>wrote:Source? Links?Justin Wedes > > Activist & Educator, Brooklyn > > > > Use your voice! > > Web:www.OurSchoolsNYC.org > > Twitter: NYCPubSchooler > > > >~ > > There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out atUSUncut.org/yeslab > >~
> > > On Sep 26, 2011, at 6:23 AM,jemcgloin@verizon.netwrote: > > > > The local news says that the protesters may soon be thrown out of zuccotti park and that dozens were arrested yesterday. Pls contact the park and tell them if possible. > > > > > > > > On 09/26/11,Justin Wedes<jwedes@gmail.com>wrote:This would be great! > We are working on asoundpermit. > -justin > On Sep 26, 2011, at 4:25 AM, Jackie DiSalvo wrote: > > See also proposal of New Yorkers Against Budget Cuts for daily speak-outs at > > 6 PM, which is also one kind of thing the Labor. I understand that's not the > > same as a Free University. We can do both. >> > > -----Original Message----> > From: Jackie DiSalvo [mailto:jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com] >> > > The Labor Working Group has been thinking about bringing speakers, we can > > work with you (especially since you're in the group). >> > > -----Original Message----> > From:september17@googlegroups.com[mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On > > Behalf Of NicolasMoselleAllen > > Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 2:31 PM > > To:september17@googlegroups.com > > Subject: [september17discuss] confirmed, Richard Wolff at Occupy Wall > > Street, date and time TBD >> > > hey gang! >> > > The good people of the Brecht Forum have informed me that Marxist > > economist Richard Wolff has confirmed that he will come to speak at > > Liberty Plaza, although at the moment he can't confirm date or time. >> > > With this good news and a little bit of time for planning, can we > > start to organize for a Free School weekend teach-in? I'm ashamed to > > say that I haven't been at the Park as much I would like so I don't > > know how the following weeks will be scheduled. In a previous message > > we had discussed using the 6pm Open Forum has a platform for lectures. >> > > Is someone else interested in helping me organize a Free School? I > > know many people, like Jackie, have more organizing experience than I > > do, not to mention more connections with academics and intellectuals. >> > > Ok! Thanks! >> > > Nico >>
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Re: occupywallst.org: revolution, not a riot, revolution Tuesday, September 27, 2011 6:40:34 PM
I agree also, The worsed thing that could happen is the demands are met, and we make more.
On 09/27/11, Snafu<snafu@thething.it> wrote: I agree with Richard, Doug and grimwomyn, demands for reform are necessary precisely to show that at the current stage the system is not reformable. You don't need to call for a revolution, just for the introduction of sensible measures that could be implemented if the entire economy/political system were not subjected to the absolute domination of financial capital. By the way, is it possible to get a short summary of yesterday's GA? I understand that the discussion on demands did not lead anywhere, but can we have a sense of what were the main obstacles on this list? Thanks! On 9/27/11 8:46 AM, grimwomyn wrote: Definitely the demands for reform should be loudest right now. On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 12:51 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: Both are true; they're mutually reinforcing. But the CP in the thirties didn't build a mass membership by calling for revolution at the expense of demanding reforms. The CP engaged in every struggle for reforms it could. So that example really just helps prove my point, that you don't build a movement for revolution by avoiding demands for reform.
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:20 PM, Richard S. <chardsinger@yahoo.com> wrote: Actually, I've gotten a reverse impression from a lot of our history: Reforms are most likely achieved when the ruling powers are scared by talk about revolution. This certainly is a big part of why the New Deal reforms went through - because there was concrete fear of a revolutionary communist movement. Much of the workers' organizing that led to pressure for reforms like the New Deal was led by the Communist Party. (Our comrade Noam Chomsky has said as much on many occasions - and he is not normally a champion for any CP.) In other countries, too, some of the great leaders who are highly regarded here would not have been able to achieve what they did had there not been harder or more militant revolutionaries to balance them out, scaring the ruling classes. Certainly, this was one of the keys to Gandhi's political success, as Gandhi was easier for the ruling class to take than the very prevalent communists of the day. On Sep 25, 8:06 pm, Doug Singsen <dougsing...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Every revolution in history has begun with demands for reform. You don't begin a revolution by trying to "prefigure" a future society, you do it by building democratic, participatory movements for change that address issues that directly impact peoples' lives. When the state and capital are unwilling or unable to meet the needs of the mass of the people, revolution can result.
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Two critical articles worthy of review Sunday, September 25, 2011 2:01:04 PM
I haven't met anyone at the GA that I would suspect of sending anti-semetic threats to writers. If you are out there please wisen up and realize that power is not about race or religion--these things are tools used to divide us--or leave our occupation because we have a consensus against this kind of thing. At the same time this is another fly-by attack on our movement. They drop by, get fixated on a pair of breasts, mistake hand rolled cigarettes for joints, fail to figure out what the general assembly system is about, and go make fun of us. We should learn something from our press coverage. (My neighbor, a liberal, keeps telling me that we need to control our wacko image.) But, we should fight back against these accusations, by 1. Clarifying our message, with a consensus on "demands," and by responding to the media with letters, phone calls, etc. 2. Carefully explaining how the GA works. Maybe with large displays of the rules. (The process is part of the message.) 3. Not suppressing the creativity of our colleagues. 4. Excercising some personal responsibility (try to think ahead about how your actions will be interpreted by the 99%). 5. Having a lot of fun, and maybe borrowing some techniques from Monty Python!
On 09/25/11, grimwomyn<grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Yes-- but I started thinking a lot about the student protests of the 60s and how powerful the images of peaceful resistance spoke during that time. And the end results of actually passing the civil rights legislation and ending the Vietnam War. We have a real opportunity here to make historical lasting change. It would be unfortunate to lose potential allies and opportunities because of the antics of a few attention starved individuals. On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 1:31 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: Holy Cow. Compare it to the approval she gives to the protests in Israel!! http://www.nathalierothschild.com/2011/08/17/after-the-arab-spring-the-israeli-summer/
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 12:55 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: By the same woman, but I think there may be a few points to consider: http://www.nathalierothschild.com/ http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/site/article/11098/
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Video of Sept 24 arrests Sunday, September 25, 2011 12:14:18 PM
I don't know. But a blue shirt cop told me: 1. They don't get told anything until the last minute 2. He's in complete sympathy with us 3. The reason there was such a large presence last night was the cops saw on the livefeed that we were planning another march to Wall Street at 7. Not sure if that is true or they mixed it up with the GA. On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 11:50 AM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Doug Singsen september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Video of Sept 24 arrests Sunday, September 25, 2011 8:26:03 PM
Some cops may be "in sympathy" with us, but have they ever disobeyed orders to crack down on us, or any protesters anywhere, for that matter, when the orders came down? No. Their "sympathy" is ultimately worthless. On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 10:14 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: I don't know. But a blue shirt cop told me: 1. They don't get told anything until the last minute 2. He's in complete sympathy with us 3. The reason there was such a large presence last night was the cops saw on the livefeed that we were planning another march to Wall Street at 7. Not sure if that is true or they mixed it up with the GA. On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 11:50 AM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Video of Sept 24 arrests Sunday, September 25, 2011 10:59:04 PM
All true, and things would have to get about a thousand times worse before the US military flipped either. And with the heavy duty far right Christian indoctrination going on in the military lately I'm pretty sure they would flip the opposite way from what we would want.
On 09/25/11, Doug Singsen<dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: Yes, cops have families to support and can't afford to lose their jobs, and the police force enforces obedience. But precisely because of these reasons, cops are always one of the last social forces to support change of any kind, whether it's reform or revolution. Their job is to enforce the existing order of class, race, gender and property relations. That's their job. And many cops embrace this. Not all, but many. The point here isn't to be moralistic and bash the cops, but to be realistic for our own sake and the sake of the movement and understand the real motivations and dynamics of the police. It doesn't really matter what any individual cop wants or believes, or even what the rank and file collectively wants or believes. They can not afford to switch sides. And historically, in virtually every revolution, the police do not go over to the side of the revolution: they hold out until the bitter end. The army is a different story. The key tipping point of most revolutions happens when the rank and file of the army switches sides. And when it comes to the application of physical force, the army trumps the police every time, so when the army switches sides that's usually the end of the show, and the police go into hiding. But the time very rarely comes when the police ever act in solidarity with protesters: can you name a single instance in US history when that has happened? Doug
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: Gee, Doug. Some cops may have families to support and stuff, and the police culture (or even their union) isn't really known for being friendly to dissent. I know that it sucks and they are doing awful stuff, but honestly, their sympathy is important. Because there will come a time when we will need the cops, and many of them will be on our side. Not their bosses and the mayor's cronies who give the orders, but there will be some in the rank and file who will be on our side when push comes to shove.
On Sep 25, 2011, at 8:25 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: Some cops may be "in sympathy" with us, but have they ever disobeyed orders to crack down on us, or any protesters anywhere, for that matter, when the orders came down? No. Their "sympathy" is ultimately worthless. On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 10:14 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: I don't know. But a blue shirt cop told me: 1. They don't get told anything until the last minute 2. He's in complete sympathy with us 3. The reason there was such a large presence last night was the cops saw on the livefeed
that we were planning another march to Wall Street at 7. Not sure if that is true or they mixed it up with the GA.
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 11:50 AM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: Why is it so often the officers in white shirts that are the most violent?
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Video of Sept 24 arrests Sunday, September 25, 2011 10:45:03 PM
The NYC police dept is one of the most professional and highly organized paramilitary forces in the world and should not be underestimated. Doug is right that the rank and file will always follow orders. And their tactics are more effective than you may realize. Still as far as reaching the 99% is concerned treating the cops with more respect than they show us is important in maintaining an image as regular people fighting for freedom. And as far as individual cops are concerned, it is often at the most critical times that a little kindness repays itself. Just as kindness is more effecive for extracting information than torture, kindness toward the police as fellow victims rather than the enemy will make it harder for them to dehumanize us in their own minds. I have friends that are good people in the police force and I would be pissed if they got hurt because some protestor took it to far, just as I am pissed that some cops take it too far. We need to be highly disciplined in our skirmishes so that nothing truly horrible happens. We don't need any marters on either side.
On 09/25/11, Luis Moreno-Caballud<morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: +1 On Sep 25, 2011, at 8:44 PM, Jon Good wrote: Gee, Doug. Some cops may have families to support and stuff, and the police culture (or even their union) isn't really known for being friendly to dissent. I know that it sucks and they are doing awful stuff, but honestly, their sympathy is important. Because there will come a time when we will need the cops, and many of them will be on our side. Not their bosses and the mayor's cronies who give the orders, but there will be some in the rank and file who will be on our side when push comes to shove.
On Sep 25, 2011, at 8:25 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: Some cops may be "in sympathy" with us, but have they ever disobeyed orders to crack down on us, or any protesters anywhere, for that matter, when the orders came down? No. Their "sympathy" is ultimately worthless. On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 10:14 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: I don't know. But a blue shirt cop told me: 1. They don't get told anything until the last minute 2. He's in complete sympathy with us 3. The reason there was such a large presence last night was the cops saw on the livefeed that we were planning another march to Wall Street at 7. Not sure if that is true or they mixed it up with the GA.
On 09/25/11, grimwomyn<grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote:

http://youtu.be/QDyrQpccfgw http://youtu.be/15Bg3EoA2J4 http://youtu.be/moD2JnGTToA http://youtu.be/a1LR5sPJcUk These are just a few of the videos that made it online... there are many-- and they are staying up on youtube I hope that the girls who were pepper sprayed get a gigantic settlement from nyc On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Elysa Lozano <elysalozano@googlemail.com> wrote: Hello, I was wondering if anyone/group is collecting videos of individual arrests. I know some folks who would love access to theirs at this point. Wondered if this was being centralized at all? Or if people happened to take video of individuals being taken down? Elysa
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Video of Sept 24 arrests Monday, September 26, 2011 7:36:39 AM
yup- I was all smiles and sunshine with them this weekend-- even offered to get them coffee when I went to get tea-- the turn of any revolution depends on forces like the police and the army turning to the side of the people, let's not forget that. On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 10:59 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
All true, and things would have to get about a thousand times worse before the US military flipped either. And with the heavy duty far right Christian indoctrination going on in the military lately I'm pretty sure they would flip the opposite way from what we would want.
On 09/25/11, Doug Singsen<dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: Yes, cops have families to support and can't afford to lose their jobs, and the police force enforces obedience. But precisely because of these reasons, cops are always one of the last social forces to support change of any kind, whether it's reform or revolution. Their job is to enforce the existing order of class, race, gender and property relations. That's their job. And many cops embrace this. Not all, but many. The point here isn't to be moralistic and bash the cops, but to be realistic for our own sake and the sake of the movement and understand the real motivations and dynamics of the police. It doesn't really matter what any individual cop wants or believes, or even what the rank and file collectively wants or believes. They can not afford to switch sides. And historically, in virtually every revolution, the police do not go over to the side of the revolution: they hold out until the bitter end. The army is a different story. The key tipping point of most revolutions happens when the rank and file of the army switches sides. And when it comes to the application of physical force, the army trumps the police every time, so when the army switches sides that's usually the end of the show, and the police go into hiding. But the time very rarely comes when the police ever act in solidarity with protesters: can you name a single instance in US history when that has happened? Doug
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: Gee, Doug. Some cops may have families to support and stuff, and the police culture (or even their union) isn't really known for being friendly to dissent. I know that it sucks and they are doing awful stuff, but honestly, their sympathy is important. Because there will come a time when we will need the cops, and many of them will be on our side. Not their bosses and the mayor's cronies who give the orders, but there will be some in the rank and file who will be on our side when push comes to shove.
On Sep 25, 2011, at 8:25 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: Some cops may be "in sympathy" with us, but have they ever disobeyed orders to crack down on us, or any protesters anywhere, for that matter, when the orders came down? No. Their "sympathy" is ultimately worthless. On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 10:14 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't know. But a blue shirt cop told me: 1. They don't get told anything until the last minute 2. He's in complete sympathy with us 3. The reason there was such a large presence last night was the cops saw on the livefeed that we were planning another march to Wall Street at 7. Not sure if that is true or they mixed it up with the GA.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] Video of Sept 24 arrests Sunday, September 25, 2011 11:50:27 AM
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: [september17discuss] We are the 99% Open Forum every weekday at Liberty Sq at 6pm Wednesday, September 28, 2011 5:53:34 PM
You guys do important work and I would support this.
On 09/28/11, Michael Strom<michael.g.strom@gmail.com> wrote: This is great! I was hoping a popular education program like this would be put together. Thanks. =) But I do have a question about something I'm in the process of pulling together for Thursday. I'm a member of a group called Organizing for Occupation (O4O: o4onyc.org), a grassroots organization that works to actualize the human right to housing through direct action. One of the lead organizers of O4O, Karen Gargamelli, would like to come speak at Liberty Plaza on Thursday at 6pm about the housing crisis, O4O's work, and what we can do bring together and support our struggles. O4O members fighting through foreclosure and/or homelessness would come and speak as well. One of the goals of this discussion will be to establish relationships between Occupy Wall Street and O4O folks in hopes of organizing a series of anti-foreclosure actions next week. I know that 6pm on Thursday is the only time Karen can come this week. Is there any way that we could combine this with Thursday's 99% Open Forum? Maybe switch things around so that Thursday's topic is housing-related? I think working with O4O would be beneficial and strategic on a number of levels (help us build relationships with community orgs, put our movement in deeper conversation with lived struggles of this city, help build momentum through strategic action, etc), and I rather not have two simultaneous events take away from each others' attendance. Thoughts? -Michael
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: Re: [september17discuss] confusion about demand Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:19:28 PM
We could have both
On 09/27/11, Gabriel Johnson<gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: And also relentlessly mockable, and will be treated as meaningless by most people on the street, even those otherwise supportive. Even if we all disagree on the eventual political solutions to the problems, I feel as if we need a few specific, immediate demands for what the government or some sort of entity could (won't, but if they really wanted to could) do tomorrow. --glj On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 7:43 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: I agree--Something like "We Demand that the People take control of their Government." or "We Demand that the 99% take control from the Corporations." or "We Demand that the 99% Take to the Streets, and Take Control from Global Banks." or some combination of this. Making a demand directly to the people and ignoring the government and wall st would be a surprise and put the responsibility where it ultimately lies.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: Re: [september17discuss] CRASH Press conf. for NYPD Commish Ray Kelly: tmw Tues 9/27 Tuesday, September 27, 2011 6:21:50 PM
Hi Conor: I try to be a fair person and I spend hours reading emails on this listserve every night, because I do try to read carefully. If I misunderstood you I appologize. If I only commented on one part, it may be because only one part was controversial to me. Pls give me more detail or maybe reply to my original message because I'm not sure which of my many ramblings you refer to. I'm interested in dialogue to move things foward. Thanks John (jem)
On 09/27/11, Conor Toms Reed<conortomasreed@gmail.com> wrote: Thanks for the tactical suggestion, Lisa. I agree that we need to make alliances with groups like VOCAL, even though this press conference seems to give the NYPD a clear pass from the despicable actions over the weekend and late last week. We have to see the connection here. Jem, you didn't consider anything I wrote. Instead, you focused on one sentence that you found uncomfortable, and then went with that. Like in the GA, we need to listen to each other before we respond. FYI, a police officer who was at the Baruch College protest yesterday told me he wished cops had "bashed all their heads in" on Saturday. Ahem. It looks like community folks are on board with nonviolently protesting the NYPD. See this facebook event for Friday https://www.facebook.com/#!/event.php?eid=214291185301829 I urge us to actively follow the community's lead on this. It's an OWS issue, but more widely an issue of racism, anti-poor brutality, sexism, homophobia, and all the rest that consolidate a strong (and historically supported!) analysis that the police are not our friends. If you would like to disagree, go through those videos from Saturday again. despite above frustrations, continued solidarity, -Conor
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:20 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Ok, just talked to Jeremy, Ray Kelly is not only not going to be at the conference tomorrow, but the conference is to congratulate NYPD for easing up on the small marijuana arrests: http://www.gothamgazette.com/blogs/wonkster/2011/09/26/achange-on-marijuana-arrests/ So, Jeremy has requested that nothing be done to distract from his message. He will be coming down to Liberty Park on Saturday afternoon after the OWS march and brainstorm with whomever is available how both OWS and his org, Vocal http://www.vocal-ny.org/ can work together to make each other stronger in the coming weeks. sweet dreams all-
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:03 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Contacting him now.
On Sep 26, 2011 10:00 PM, "Lisa Fithian" <fithianl@igc.org> wrote: > Hey All! > > > > Great, great work in holding down Liberty Plaza!!!! > > > > So, if you all are planning to bring your message to this press conference tomorrow it would be skillful to contact Jeremy from VOCAL- NY. VOCAL is an important community based organization and ally in direct action and in going after the banks and corporate America. What is happening is a victory for them and their members. Just wanted people to be mindful of this. > > > > Peace, > > Lisa > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeremy Saunders > VOCAL New York 917-676-8041 <http://tel:917-676-8041> (cell) > jeremy@vocal-ny.org > > > > From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of jemcgloin@verizon.net > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 6:36 PM > To: september17@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Re: [september17discuss] CRASH Press conf. for NYPD Commish Ray Kelly: tmw Tues 9/27 > > > > This kind of thing would be a public relations coup. I was on Andrew Breitbarts website today, and there were three hundred #$%^$# talking about how great it is that the cops were beating on the hippies. If we could handle the situation with dignity and respect it would throw everybody for a loop. You have to keep them off balance. > > > > > > On 09/26/11, Gary Roland<opesr.nyc@gmail.com> wrote: >
> I like the idea of making this a show of support for the police officers to start acting responsibly and nonviolently. This could be our contradiction event, showing that we are not against the police, only against when they prop up the financiers will. > > However this goes against the statement issued that Commissioner Kelly should resign. Disrupting the police press conference would obviously escalate the situation, but a show of support to them "following the law" and respecting citizens would be a de-escalation with the police, and may be good for the longevity of the movement. > > > > ~GARY > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:11 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > > We can do both-- we should all be in suits, bringing flowers to thank them. > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:47 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: > > revolution! not resolution! > > > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:47 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: > > Isn't it worth considering going in not with recrimination but rather with quiet dignity, accepting their acknowledgment that they went overboard, and pledging to work with them to keep this a peaceful resolution, emphasizing that working middle class people like police and fire fighters are part of the 99%. > > > > It will put them in the position of being supportive of the occupation. > > > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: > > Conor, Great idea! > > 2011/9/26 Conor Toms Reed <conortomasreed@gmail.com> > > Hey, folks. It looks like the NYPD's trying to do a quick PR clean-up. Should we bring some folks from Liberty Plaza to chant "SHAME" for the NYPD's recent brutalities on Thursday night for the Troy Davis and Saturday for the Occupy Wall Street march? The celebratory language of the press release is strange, given that one of the speakers, Jumaane Williams, was illegally arrested at the West Indian Day parade (walking while Black). > > what do y'all think? > -Conor > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------> From: todd eaton <toddeaton@optonline.net> > Date: Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:08 AM
> Subject: Press conf. for NYPD Commish Ray Kelly: tmw Tues 9/27 > To: cuny-students-unite@googlegroups.com > > > > Press conference to applaud NYC's & NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly's announced intention that his forces may begin to comply with rule of law...following City for a decade and counting having centered its public safety efforts around making many tens of thousands of plainly illegal race arrests, in a coordinated campaign that was apparently specifically designed to compel Black and Latino youth to move away. > > Call for the passage of New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti) and City Council Resolution 09862011 (Mark-Viverito) > Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm at 1 Police Plaza > > TRANSIT: #4,5,6 train to Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, J train to Chambers street; R, but never N, to City Hall (Broadway & Warren); A, C to Chambers (at Church St.); #1, 2, 3 to Chambers (at W. Broadway); E to WTC; Police Plz is just east of the 1 Centre St. Municipal Bldg., equivalent of Chambers St.; MAP: <http://ow.ly/5or1N > > > ["I'll believe it when it's in my hot little hand." - Anon.] >=== > > Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 09:44:17 -0400 > From: "Jeremy Saunders, VOCAL-NY" <jeremy@vocal-ny.org> > Subject: [Rttc-nyc] Big Victory for NYPD Accountability! > > In response to mounting pressure, NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly told police officers last week to follow the law and stop making costly and racially biased marijuana arrests, now the number one arrest in New York City. This could translate into tens of thousands of fewer arrests among Black and Latino youth each year. > > VOCAL-NY led the grassroots effort to end these arrests in collaboration with our allies at the Drug Policy Alliance (DPA) and the Institute for Juvenile Justice Reform and Alternatives (IJJRA). > > Although marijuana use is higher among whites, 86% of those arrested for marijuana possession last year were Black and Latino youth. The NYPD's aggressive use of stop-and-frisks in communities of color, along with unconstitutional searches that often follow, have largely driven these arrests. Being arrested can mean more than a night in jail too. It can make it difficult for people to find housing, get a job, take care of their family and apply for tuition assistance. > > Please join us this Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm > to celebrate this important victory and call for effective implementation. > > What: Press conference applauding NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly's policy shift to enforce existing marijuana possession laws and to call for the passage of New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti) and City Council Resolution 0986-2011 (Mark-Viverito) > > When: Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm > > Where: 1 Police Plaza; 4,5,6 train to Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, J train to Chambers street; [or R, but never N, to City Hall (Broadway & Warren); A, C to Chambers (at Church St.); #1, 2, 3 to Chambers (at W. Broadway); E to WTC; Police Plz is just east of the 1 Centre St. Municipal Bldg., equivalent of Chambers St.; map: <http://ow.ly/5or1N > -t.] > > Who: Drug Policy Alliance, IJJRA, VOCAL-NY, New York Assembly Member Hakeem Jeffries, NYC Council Members Melissa Mark-Viverito and Jumaane D. Williams, advocates, and others > > BACKGROUND:
> On Monday, September 19th, responding to mounting public pressure from advocates and elected officials, NYPD police commissioner Ray Kelly issued an operations order that clarified existing marijuana possession laws, instructing officers not to arrest people for marijuana in public view when complying with an officer's demand to "empty their pockets". This change could lead to the reduction of tens of thousands of arrests in New York City. > > Nearly all of these arrests have been made in defiance of the law. Marijuana has been decriminalized since 1977, making possession of 25 grams or less of marijuana a violation, punishable by a $100 fine, not arrest and jail. However, possessing or burning marijuana in public view is a criminal offense punishable by arrest and jail. > > Since 1996, the NYPD has made over 535,000 arrests for possession of small amounts of marijuana. In 2010 alone, 50,383 people were arrested for simple marijuana possession, comprising nearly 15% of all arrests and making it the number one arrest in the city. Most of these arrests were not for smoking in public, but were the result of complying with an officer's demand to disclose contraband or from a police search and being improperly charged for "marijuana in public view" instead of the non-criminal violation offense. > > Join the VOCAL-NY, Drug Policy Alliance and IJJRA, together with elected officials, to applaud the Police Commissioner for his policy change, and to urge cooperation to ensure that officers follow this directive. This operations order can be made permanent, and apply to all of New York state, by passing New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti). The NYC City Council has introduced a resolution (0986-2011/MarkViverito) > supporting the passage of this legislation. > -> > Please note: VOCAL New York was formerly the NYC AIDS Housing Network (NYCAHN) > ***Please update your address books with our new emails*** > > Jeremy Saunders > VOCAL New York 917-676-8041 <http://tel:917-676-8041> (cell) > jeremy@vocal-ny.org > > >  >  > > website: www.VOCAL-NY.org <http://www.vocal-ny.org/> > facebook: www.facebook.com/vocalny > twitter: http://twitter.com/vocalnewyork > donate online: http://tinyurl.com/nycahndonate > > > > > < https://lists.mayfirst.org/mailman/listinfo/rttc-nyc <https://lists.mayfirst.org/mailman/listinfo/rttc-nyc> >, > < mailto:rttc-nyc-request@lists.mayfirst.org?subject=subscribe <mailto:rttc-nycrequest@lists.mayfirst.org%3Fsubject=subscribe> > > > > > > >=== > > Check NY Activist Calendar frequently: http://nycal.mayfirst.org <http://nycal.mayfirst.org/> >
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: Re: [september17discuss] dangers of not having a clear message, NY Times article Sept 24, Metropolitan section, pg 1 Sunday, September 25, 2011 12:12:52 PM
Sorry I'm off thread, but Obama is being accused of trying to cut a deal with the big banks to avoid law suits and prosecution. http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=FE43106F-4CE8-42D7-B0B8-65C32DD91E48 It seems relative to our message. On 09/25/11, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote: I like this one better than any of the others I have seen!
OUR GOALS ARE 1) Stop the special laws that let banks and corporations take our money and resources 2) Create a real democracy of the people, by the people, and for the people 3) End oppression of all groups 4) Promote peace, solidarity, and economic justice NOTES on why I put them this way: 1) This is a simple statement of how crony capitalism works. 2) Most Americans still do believe in the promise America we learned in grade school, and so referencing Lincoln's Gettysburg Address, while somewhat corny, will totally work. 3) "Marginalized" is a nice word for educated people to use, but it is totally meaningless (or inspires indignation) to people who don't know what it means, or have misconceptions about what it means. No groups should be oppressed. Seriously 4) Is fine the way it is On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote:
Cesar
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 11:32 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: I'm afraid this will just play into the notion that we are a bunch of lazy bums! At least add "pay...their fair share." In general though I think it's safer and true to emphasize that corporate money is controlling our government, which is no longer democratic.
The NY Times, which had previously published mainly a large picture of women dancing bare breasted, now printed a Sunday article by Gina Bellafante which trivializes our movement. One problem with not having demands (or goals? messages?) or spokespersons is that journalists who want to put down our movement and discourage people from joining will get away with quoting only people who make us look unserious. (There is another Times article by Colin Moynihan almost entirely about the arrests which, however, does sum up the purpose of Occupy Wall Street in 1 sentence which says we are against a financial system that participants say favors the rich and powerful over ordinary citizens.) I know the bourgeois media will always attack us, but are we doing enough to inhibit their distortions? Here she quotes a half naked woman dancing on Bway who is said to be time traveling back to 1968 and says Ive been waiting for this all my life, but the context makes dubious what shes been waiting for; someone else says she just came to create spectacles, another wants to get rid of the combustion engine (not a bad idea, but hardly our critique of the domination by the 1%); another is a right wing supporter of Milton Friedman and Ron Paul who just wants to get rid of the Federal Reserve. Similarly the only sign quoted says Even if the world were to end tomorrow, Id still plant a tree and in this context underlines its unconcern for real political change (clamoring for nothing in particular to happen,), not its positive commitment.
. With only such messages as evidence, she gets away with implying that we are ignorant about the economy, and mocks our having no demands and our wish to pantomime progressivism rather than practice it knowledgably. We need to make incontestably clear what our message is.
Cesar
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: Re: [september17discuss] Five demands from the NYCGA: how to link the struggle for democracy to the struggle for social and economic justice Sunday, September 25, 2011 12:05:48 AM
I can get behind this. Can we all agree on a message soon? Our soundbite world is unable to comprehend complexity. Many keep calling us stupid because we think too much. lol
Our goals are:
Cesar
Making the banks, corporations, and the rich pay, Creating a real participatory democracy, Ending the oppression of all marginalized groups, and Promoting peace, solidarity, and economic justice.
On 09/24/11, Winter Siroco<wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: Yes, simple, broad and not demands but goals. Cesar On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Willie Osterweil <wosterweil@gmail.com> wrote: I think if we use demands at all we need to be focused on simple, clear demands that will enlarge our ranks. The house/senate wont pass anything even remotely looking like a change in wealth distribution, the Obama administration bends over backwards to appease the bi-partisan banks, the Supreme Court declares that proof of innocence is insufficient cause for a stay of execution, and the media will always distort and misrepresent, either through malice or incompetence. Thus, any sort of wonky policy demand that speaks only to the already politically active is unproductive and serves to marginalize and entrench the protest into a pre-exiting middle-class protest community. The government will give us nothing, we need to build the numbers to take... The only positive function of demands is solidarity and recruitment: the simpler, broader and more universal, the better.
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: ...true, true...so, what would be your positive contribution or rearangement of priorities? be constructive. Cesar
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Willie Osterweil <wosterweil@gmail.com> wrote: And nothing gets the blood of the people stirring like a call to reinstate Glass-Steagall. Yup, I can see it now, the media suddenly exploding with coverage, the ramparts filling with the oppressed and underrepresented: "They've called for the reinstatement of Glass-Steagall! Quickly, comrades, to arms! To arms! For Glass Steagall!"
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 8:58 AM, diane sare <dwsare@gmail.com> wrote: Glass-Steagall would bust up the "too big to fail" banks, let the speculators rot, as they should, and protect the small savings and loan banks, which means people's savings, mortgages, there would be hope for pension funds, etc. In other words, Glass-Steagall would bankrupt Wall Street -- it's not the whole recovery, but it IS the first step to protecting the PEOPLE, and making it possible to think longterm about radical things we used to do, like water management, rail building etc. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Snafu <snafu@thething.it> wrote: Hi all, I apologize for being off-list and off-the-streets for a few days, but I was lucky enough to become a father on September 17! I personally believe that the obstination of some members of the NYCGA on not having demands has proved disastrous and resulted in a PR debacle. Invariably, almost all mainstream media accounts of the protests note that the demonstrators have confused ideas and are probably motivated by merely ideological motives. Further, this refusal of having demands has nothing to do with the current movements in the Middle East, Spain and Greece all of which have clear and loud demands. In the case of Arab countries and Middle Eastern autocracies the demand cannot be but one (remove the dictator). In Greece and Spain the situation is more complex but the movements there have been able to develop specific analyses and requests. In particular the Joint Economics Working Group of Syntagma Square and Puerta del Sol have drafted a document (http://bit.ly/npCWkg) that lists a specific set of demands, such as the request of nationalizing the banks, withdrawing the EU/IMF Memorandum imposed on Greece, make the accounting records transparent, and so forth. As I have previously suggested, the three simple demands that the NYCGA should have raised in the call to Occupy Wall Street should have been: 1) Reintroduction of the Glass-Steagall Act,
2) Immediate introduction of a Tobin Tax or Robin Hood Tax on all financial transactions both at a national and international level. On a national level, it would be sufficient for Congress to pass it. On an international level, the IMF could subordinate loans to countries in debt to the introduction of a Tobin Tax instead of requiring massive privatizations as it ordinarily does through the notorious structural adjustment programs. In Europe, Angela Merkel and Nicholas Sarkozy have officialized their support to the introduction of such tax in the EU about three weeks ago. Last June over 1,000 economist submitted a letter by 1,000 economists to the G20 last April that explains why the idea of a global Robin Hood Tax has come of age. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/apr/13/robin-hoodEmails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com
a law regulating the bank system that separated investment banks from commercial banks. This law, originally approved in 1933 and signed into law by FDR has been repealed in 1999. As Wikipedia simply states it, "Most economists believe this repeal directly contributed to the severity of the Financial crisis of 20072011 by allowing Wall Street investment banking firms to gamble with their depositors' money that was held in commercial banks owned or created by the investment firms." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GlassSteagall_Act
tax-economists-letter) Robinhoodtax.org, a web site run by a British NGO that explains in very simple terms how it works and how much revenue it could generate. The NGO also has a Facebook page. 3) Raise taxes on qualified dividends and long-term capital gains by pairing the long-term capital gains tax rate (which applies to financial assets held for more than a year) to the ordinary income tax rates. At the moment, thanks to the Tax Reconciliation Act signed by Bush into law in 2006 and extended by the Obama administration to 2012 and beyond, capital gains cannot be taxed more than 20% whereas income tax is taxed up to 35%. This means that if your wage falls for example in the $35,000-83,000 bracket your income tax is 25% whereas if you make 1, 10, or 100 million dollars on the stock market your pay 20% only. Even Warren Buffett says that this system is openly unjust and that the current taxation system is profoundly unbalanced and skewed towards financial profit. (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/stop-coddlingthe-super-rich.html) These three proposals are far from revolutionary yet they could begin raising specific questions and help bring a variety of subjects into the conversation. The notion that a movement is defined by its demands is ridiculous. A social
movement is much more than a set of demands yet demands help those who are not on your side understand who you are and where you come from. Two other critical points that should be discussed in the GA are the public funding of political campaigns and the two-party system. A paramount political objective should be to get corporations to stop funding political candidates. You cannot have real democracy with the current system of fundraising. A truly democratic system would give each citizen a tax bonus of the SAME AMOUNT and enable each one of us to decide how to allocate such money. A truly democratic society should also not rely on forms of political representation based on a majoritarian (firstpast-the-post) electoral system. If we are the 99% of the country, then we ought to be able to convince the rest of the nation that the 99% counts in fact nothing. And corporate funding and the two-party system should be the two main targets of a campaign for real democracy. To sum up, the question of the redistribution of wealth and democratic control over the financial system cannot be disconnected from the question of political representation. Organizing a movement that fights "against representative politics" does not mean in my opinion to fight against *any* form of representation, but certainly against the current system of representation. We are over 6 billions on this planet. Thinking that each individual should have the right to decide on every issue in every part of the world at all times may sound fascinating but it is simply unrealistic and unrealizable. Whether we like it or not, we constantly delegate to others the understanding of issues and execution of tasks we simply do not have the time to understand and care about. (The worldwide professionalization of national armies and the advanced specialization of knowledge in scientific and academic research are just two notable cases in point). Thus the question is not how to abolish authority and representation per se but how to produce forms of representation that are truly representative, renewable and non-ossified. The NYCGA could be such a body, once we live behind the rather childish notion that demands define us and by defining us trap us in some blind alley from which we'll be unable to move forward. Cheers, Snafu
-Diane Sare
cell: 201-220-7731
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: Re: Re: [september17discuss] dangers of not having a clear message, NY Times article Sept 24, Metropolitan section, pg 1 Sunday, September 25, 2011 12:32:11 PM
"an incredibly popular position" is exactly what we need, and taxes and budget cuts are interwined (as I know you are fully aware). But I agree that "making wall st pay" is too easily manipulated and doesn't make that connection. We need a simple way to demand both things together that all of those people that say "tax the rich to pay for jobs" can get behind.
On 09/25/11, Doug Singsen<dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: I think that demanding to "make Wall Street pay" does need to be part of our demands. First, this is an incredibly popular position. A majority of Americans support raising taxes on banks, corporations and the rich, although you wouldn't know it by listening to the mainstream media. Second, budget cuts are causing huge numbers of layoffs (the Post Office intends to lay off 120,000 workers!) and cuts to vital social services (public hospitals in NYC have been decimated, for instance - the system is on the verge of a total breakdown). Raising demands around these issues is key to attracting support from workers, the labor movement and those who rely on public services. Doug On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 10:12 AM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: Sorry I'm off thread, but Obama is being accused of trying to cut a deal with the big banks to avoid law suits and prosecution. http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=FE43106F-4CE8-42D7-B0B8-65C32DD91E48 It seems relative to our message. On 09/25/11, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote: I like this one better than any of the others I have seen!
OUR GOALS ARE 1) Stop the special laws that let banks and corporations take our money and resources 2) Create a real democracy of the people, by the people, and for the people 3) End oppression of all groups 4) Promote peace, solidarity, and economic justice NOTES on why I put them this way: 1) This is a simple statement of how crony capitalism works. 2) Most Americans still do believe in the promise America we learned in grade school, and so referencing Lincoln's Gettysburg Address, while somewhat corny, will totally work.
3) "Marginalized" is a nice word for educated people to use, but it is totally meaningless (or inspires indignation) to people who don't know what it means, or have misconceptions about what it means. No groups should be oppressed. Seriously 4) Is fine the way it is On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote:
Cesar On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 11:32 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: I'm afraid this will just play into the notion that we are a bunch of lazy bums! At least add "pay...their fair share."
In general though I think it's safer and true to emphasize that corporate money is controlling our government, which is no longer democratic.
The NY Times, which had previously published mainly a large picture of women dancing bare breasted, now printed a Sunday article by Gina Bellafante which trivializes our movement. One problem with not having demands (or goals? messages?) or spokespersons is that journalists who want to put down our movement and discourage people from joining will get away with quoting only people who make us look unserious. (There is another Times article by Colin Moynihan almost entirely about the arrests which, however, does sum up the purpose of Occupy Wall Street in 1 sentence which says we are against a financial system that participants say favors the rich and powerful over ordinary citizens.)
I know the bourgeois media will always attack us, but are we doing enough to inhibit their distortions? Here she quotes a half naked woman dancing on Bway who is said to be time traveling back to 1968 and says Ive been waiting for this all my life, but the context makes dubious what shes been waiting for; someone else says she just came to create spectacles, another wants to get rid of the combustion engine (not a bad idea, but hardly our critique of the domination by the 1%); another is a right wing supporter of Milton Friedman and Ron Paul who just wants to get rid of the Federal Reserve. Similarly the only sign quoted says Even if the world were to end tomorrow, Id still plant a tree and in this context underlines its unconcern for real political change (clamoring for nothing in particular to happen,), not its positive commitment. . With only such messages as evidence, she gets away with implying that we are ignorant about the economy, and mocks our having no demands and our wish to pantomime progressivism rather than practice it knowledgably. We need to make incontestably clear what our message is.
Cesar
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: Re: Re: [september17discuss] Five demands from the NYCGA: how to link the struggle for democracy to the struggle for social and economic justice Sunday, September 25, 2011 11:54:21 AM
I like that one: This is I think what our core message should be: End control of the government by global banks, corporations, and billionaires. slightly, what do you think?) (I took the liberty of editing
On 09/25/11, Jon Good<therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: "Making the banks, corporations and the rich pay" is a bit vengeful and I think too open-ended. Besides, we don't want them just to pay, we want to change the system that allows them to amass such huge wealth and influence in the first place. The way banks work is that ordinary people put their savings into banks*, and the banks take our money and sling it around and invest it in all kinds of corporate and capital projects to help big corporations squeeze out the little guys and leverage their money to invade further facets of our lives (schools, hospitals, prisons, etc). I think the first goal should read something closer to "end the control of government and the economy by banks, corporations, and the rich." or "end the control of our lives by the crony system between big business and big government." I'm aware that the phrase "big government" is a loaded term that conjures up visions of black helicopters and wasteful spending among the Tea Party and Republicans, but the thing is that there are black helicopters and wasteful spending, it's just that the welfare queens and are actually corporations and not poor single women. So I think that's not too bad of a way to bridge the gap. *It's really sick when you think of it as a co-operative where everybody pools all our wealth in one place, and then the bankers use it to amass huge wealth for themselves and make us powerless There's all kinds of parts of the finance world where the super rich form what are basically co-ops for their exclusive benefit (a good example is the Depository Trust and Clearing Corporation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dtcc). In solidarity, Jon
No, no the original is better Making the banks, corporations, and the rich pay
From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Winter Siroco Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 1:48 AM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: [september17discuss] Five demands from the NYCGA: how to link the struggle for democracy to the struggle for social and economic justice
Yes, the first needs reworking.
What about:
Our goals are:
To end the Wall Street bending of the law, and the aristocratic right to tax exemption, Creating a real participatory democracy, Ending the oppression of all marginalized groups, and
Cesar
Making the banks, corporations, and the rich pay, sounds so stupid and greedy! DON'T let that happen.
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 12:13 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote:
Corporations do not have children, they do not have souls, the exist for short-term profit and they control our government. People don't have a voice - it is drowned out by corporate messaging, lobbyists on their behalf, campaign contributions. On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 12:05 AM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
I can get behind this . Can we all agree on a message soon? Our soundbite world is unable to comprehend complexity. Many keep calling us stupid because we think too much . lol
On 09/24/11, Winter Siroco<wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: Yes, simple, broad and not demands but goals. Cesar On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Willie Osterweil <wosterweil@gmail.com> wrote: I think if we use demands at all we need to be focused on simple, clear demands that will enlarge our ranks . The house/senate wont pass anything even remotely looking like a change in wealth distribution, the Obama administration bends over backwards to appease the bi -partisan banks, the Supreme Court declares that proof of innocence is insufficient cause for a stay of execution, and the media will always distort and misrepresent, either through malice or incompetence . Thus, any sort of wonky policy demand that speaks only to the already politically active is unproductive and serves to marginalize and entrench the protest into a pre -exiting middle-class protest community. The government will give us nothing, we need to build the numbers to take ... The only positive function of demands is solidarity and recruitment: the simpler, broader and more universal, the better .
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: ...true, true...so, what would be your positive contribution or rearangement of priorities ? be constructive . Cesar
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Willie Osterweil <wosterweil@gmail.com> wrote: And nothing gets the blood of the people stirring like a call to reinstate Glass -Steagall. Yup, I can see it now, the media suddenly exploding with coverage, the ramparts filling with the oppressed and underrepresented: "They've called for the reinstatement of Glass -Steagall! Quickly, comrades, to arms! To arms! For Glass Steagall!"
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 8:58 AM, diane sare <dwsare@gmail.com> wrote: Glass -Steagall would bust up the "too big to fail" banks, let the speculators rot, as they should, and protect the small savings and loan banks, which means people's savings, mortgages, there would be hope for pension funds, etc . In other words, Glass -Steagall would bankrupt Wall Street -- it's not the whole recovery, but it IS the first step to protecting the PEOPLE, and making it possible to think long -term about radical things we used to do, like water management, rail building etc . On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Snafu <snafu@thething.it> wrote: Hi all, I apologize for being off-list and off-the-streets for a few days, but I was lucky enough to become a father on September 17! I personally believe that the obstination of some members of the NYCGA on not having demands has proved disastrous and resulted in a PR debacle. Invariably, almost all mainstream media accounts of the protests note that the demonstrators have confused ideas and are probably motivated by merely ideological motives. Further, this refusal of having demands has nothing to do with the current movements in the Middle East, Spain and Greece all of which have clear and loud demands. In the case of Arab countries and Middle Eastern autocracies the demand cannot be but one (remove the dictator). In Greece and Spain the situation is more complex but the movements there have been able to develop specific analyses and requests. In particular the Joint Economics Working Group of Syntagma Square and Puerta del Sol have drafted a document (http://bit.ly/npCWkg ) that lists a specific set of demands, such as the request of nationalizing the banks, withdrawing the EU/IMF Memorandum imposed on Greece, make the accounting records transparent, and so forth . As I have previously suggested, the three simple demands that the NYCGA should have raised in the call to Occupy Wall Street should have been: 1) Reintroduction of the Glass -Steagall Act,
a law regulating the bank system that separated investment banks from commercial banks. This law, originally approved in 1933 and signed into law by FDR has been repealed in 1999. As Wikipedia simply states it, "Most
2) Immediate introduction of a Tobin Tax or Robin Hood Tax on all financial transactions both at a national and international level. On a national level, it would be sufficient for Congress to pass it. On an international level, the IMF could subordinate loans to countries in debt to the introduction of a Tobin Tax instead of requiring massive privatizations as it ordinarily does through the notorious structural adjustment programs. In Europe, Angela Merkel and Nicholas Sarkozy have officialized their support to the introduction of such tax in the EU about three weeks ago. Last June over 1,000 economist submitted a letter by 1,000 economists to the G20 last April that explains why the idea of a global Robin Hood Tax has come of age. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/apr/13/robinhood-tax-economists-letter) Robinhoodtax.org, a web site run by a British NGO that explains in very simple terms how it works and how much revenue it could generate. The NGO also has a Facebook page.
economists believe this repeal directly contributed to the severity of the Financial crisis of 20072011 by allowing Wall Street investment banking firms to gamble with their depositors' money that was held in commercial banks owned or created by the investment firms." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GlassSteagall_Act
3) Raise taxes on qualified dividends and long-term capital gains by pairing the long-term capital gains tax rate (which applies to financial assets held for more than a year) to the ordinary income tax rates. At the moment, thanks to the Tax Reconciliation Act signed by Bush into law in 2006 and extended by the Obama administration to 2012 and beyond, capital gains cannot be taxed more than 20% whereas income tax is taxed up to 35%. This means that if your wage falls for example in the $35,000-83,000 bracket your income tax is 25% whereas if you make 1, 10, or 100 million dollars on the stock market your pay 20% only. Even Warren Buffett says that this system is openly unjust and that the current taxation system is profoundly unbalanced and skewed towards financial profit. (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/stop-coddling-thesuper-rich.html) These three proposals are far from revolutionary yet they could begin raising specific questions and help bring a variety of subjects into the conversation. The notion that a movement is defined by its demands is ridiculous. A social movement is much more than a set
of demands yet demands help those who are not on your side understand who you are and where you come from. Two other critical points that should be discussed in the GA are the public funding of political campaigns and the two-party system. A paramount political objective should be to get corporations to stop funding political candidates . You cannot have real democracy with the current system of fundraising. A truly democratic system would give each citizen a tax bonus of the SAME AMOUNT and enable each one of us to decide how to allocate such money . A truly democratic society should also not rely on forms of political representation based on a majoritarian (first-past-the-post) electoral system. If we are the 99% of the country, then we ought to be able to convince the rest of the nation that the 99% counts in fact nothing. And corporate funding and the two-party system should be the two main targets of a campaign for real democracy. To sum up, the question of the redistribution of wealth and democratic control over the financial system cannot be disconnected from the question of political representation. Organizing a movement that fights "against representative politics" does not mean in my opinion to fight against *any* form of representation, but certainly against the current system of representation. We are over 6 billions on this planet. Thinking that each individual should have the right to decide on every issue in every part of the world at all times may sound fascinating but it is simply unrealistic and unrealizable. Whether we like it or not, we constantly delegate to others the understanding of issues and execution of tasks we simply do not have the time to understand and care about . (The worldwide professionalization of national armies and the advanced specialization of knowledge in scientific and academic research are just two notable cases in point). Thus the question is not how to abolish authority and representation per se but how to produce forms of representation that are truly representative, renewable and non-ossified. The NYCGA could be such a body, once we live behind the rather childish notion that demands define us and by defining us trap us in some
blind alley from which we'll be unable to move forward. Cheers, Snafu
-Diane Sare cell: 201 -220 -7731
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: Re: Re: [september17discuss] Five demands from the NYCGA: how to link the struggle for democracy to the struggle for social and economic justice Sunday, September 25, 2011 12:30:04 AM
We should put colbert's story on us on the website: http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-reportvideos/397648/september-21-2011/wall-street-under-siege
On 09/25/11, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote: I can get behind this. Can we all agree on a message soon? Our soundbite world is unable to comprehend complexity. Many keep calling us stupid because we think too much. lol
Our goals are:
Cesar
On 09/24/11, Winter Siroco<wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: Yes, simple, broad and not demands but goals. Cesar On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Willie Osterweil <wosterweil@gmail.com> wrote: I think if we use demands at all we need to be focused on simple, clear demands that will enlarge our ranks. The house/senate wont pass anything even remotely looking like a change in wealth distribution, the Obama administration bends over backwards to appease the bi-partisan banks, the Supreme Court declares that proof of innocence is insufficient cause for a stay of execution, and the media will always distort and misrepresent, either through malice or incompetence. Thus, any sort of wonky policy demand that speaks only to the already politically active is unproductive and serves to marginalize and entrench the protest into a pre-exiting middle-class protest community. The government will give us nothing, we need to build the numbers to take... The only positive function of demands is solidarity and recruitment: the simpler, broader and more universal, the better.
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote:
...true, true...so, what would be your positive contribution or rearangement of priorities? be constructive. Cesar
2) Immediate introduction of a Tobin Tax or Robin Hood Tax on all financial transactions both at a national and international level. On a national level, it would be sufficient for Congress to pass it. On an international level, the IMF could subordinate loans to countries in debt to the introduction of a Tobin Tax instead of requiring massive privatizations as it ordinarily does through the notorious structural adjustment programs. In Europe, Angela Merkel and Nicholas Sarkozy have officialized their support
to the introduction of such tax in the EU about three weeks ago. Last June over 1,000 economist submitted a letter by 1,000 economists to the G20 last April that explains why the idea of a global Robin Hood Tax has come of age. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/apr/13/robin-hoodtax-economists-letter) Robinhoodtax.org, a web site run by a British NGO that explains in very simple terms how it works and how much revenue it could generate. The NGO also has a Facebook page. 3) Raise taxes on qualified dividends and long-term capital gains by pairing the long-term capital gains tax rate (which applies to financial assets held for more than a year) to the ordinary income tax rates. At the moment, thanks to the Tax Reconciliation Act signed by Bush into law in 2006 and extended by the Obama administration to 2012 and beyond, capital gains cannot be taxed more than 20% whereas income tax is taxed up to 35%. This means that if your wage falls for example in the $35,000-83,000 bracket your income tax is 25% whereas if you make 1, 10, or 100 million dollars on the stock market your pay 20% only. Even Warren Buffett says that this system is openly unjust and that the current taxation system is profoundly unbalanced and skewed towards financial profit. (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/stop-coddlingthe-super-rich.html) These three proposals are far from revolutionary yet they could begin raising specific questions and help bring a variety of subjects into the conversation. The notion that a movement is defined by its demands is ridiculous. A social
movement is much more than a set of demands yet demands help those who are not on your side understand who you are and where you come from. Two other critical points that should be discussed in the GA are the public funding of political campaigns and the two-party system. A paramount political objective should be to get corporations to stop funding political candidates. You cannot have real democracy with the current system of fundraising. A truly democratic system would give each citizen a tax bonus of the SAME AMOUNT and enable each one of us to decide how to allocate such money. A truly democratic society should also not rely on forms of political representation based on a majoritarian (firstpast-the-post) electoral system. If we are the 99% of the country, then we ought to be able to convince the rest of the nation that the 99% counts in fact nothing. And corporate funding and the two-party system should be the two main targets of a campaign for real democracy. To sum up, the question of the redistribution of wealth and democratic control over the financial system cannot be disconnected from the question of political representation. Organizing a movement that fights "against representative politics" does not mean in my opinion to fight against *any* form of representation, but certainly against the current system of representation. We are over 6 billions on this planet. Thinking that each individual should have the right to decide on every issue in every part of the world at all times may sound fascinating but it is simply unrealistic and unrealizable. Whether we like it or not, we constantly delegate to others the understanding of issues and execution of tasks we simply do not have the time to understand and care about. (The worldwide professionalization of national armies and the advanced specialization of knowledge in scientific and academic research are just two notable cases in point). Thus the question is not how to abolish authority and representation per se but how to produce forms of representation that are truly representative, renewable and non-ossified. The NYCGA could be such a body, once we live behind the rather childish notion that demands define us and by defining us trap us in some blind alley from which we'll be unable to move forward. Cheers, Snafu
-Diane Sare cell: 201-220-7731
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [september17discuss] Five demands from the NYCGA: how to link the struggle for democracy to the struggle for social and economic justice Sunday, September 25, 2011 12:56:48 AM
What about an alternate tack for the one demand--a demand to the people (based on a sign I saw today):
"We demand that the people take control of their government. If the People lead, the leaders will follow."
On 09/25/11, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote: We should put colbert's story on us on the website: http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-reportvideos/397648/september-21-2011/wall-street-under-siege
On 09/25/11, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote: I can get behind this. Can we all agree on a message soon? Our soundbite world is unable to comprehend complexity. Many keep calling us stupid because we think too much. lol
Our goals are:
Cesar
On 09/24/11, Winter Siroco<wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: Yes, simple, broad and not demands but goals. Cesar On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Willie Osterweil <wosterweil@gmail.com> wrote: I think if we use demands at all we need to be focused on simple, clear demands that will enlarge our ranks. The house/senate wont pass anything even remotely looking like a change in wealth distribution, the Obama administration bends over backwards to appease the bi-partisan banks, the Supreme Court declares that proof of innocence is insufficient cause for a stay of execution, and the media will always distort and misrepresent, either through malice or incompetence. Thus, any sort of wonky policy demand that speaks only to the already politically active is unproductive and
serves to marginalize and entrench the protest into a pre-exiting middle-class protest community. The government will give us nothing, we need to build the numbers to take... The only positive function of demands is solidarity and recruitment: the simpler, broader and more universal, the better.
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Winter Siroco <wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: ...true, true...so, what would be your positive contribution or rearangement of priorities? be constructive. Cesar
2) Immediate introduction of a Tobin Tax or Robin Hood Tax on all financial transactions both at a national and international level. On a national level, it would be sufficient for Congress to pass it. On an international level, the IMF could subordinate loans to countries in debt to the introduction of a Tobin Tax instead of requiring massive privatizations as it ordinarily does through the notorious structural adjustment programs. In Europe, Angela Merkel and Nicholas Sarkozy have officialized their support to the introduction of such tax in the EU about three weeks ago. Last June over 1,000 economist submitted a letter by 1,000 economists to the G20 last April that explains why the idea of a global Robin Hood Tax has come of age. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/apr/13/robin-hoodtax-economists-letter) Robinhoodtax.org, a web site run by a British NGO that explains in very simple terms how it works and how much revenue it could generate. The NGO also has a Facebook page. 3) Raise taxes on qualified dividends and long-term capital gains by pairing the long-term capital gains tax rate (which applies to financial assets held for more than a year) to the ordinary income tax rates. At the moment, thanks to the Tax Reconciliation Act signed by Bush into law in 2006 and extended by the Obama administration to 2012 and beyond, capital gains cannot be taxed more than 20% whereas income tax is taxed up to 35%. This means that if your wage falls for example in the $35,000-83,000 bracket your income tax is 25% whereas if you make 1, 10, or 100 million dollars on the stock market your pay 20% only. Even Warren Buffett says that this system is openly unjust and that the current taxation system is profoundly unbalanced and skewed towards financial profit. (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/stop-coddlingthe-super-rich.html) These three proposals are far from revolutionary yet they could begin raising specific questions and help bring a variety of subjects into the conversation. The notion that a movement is defined by its demands is ridiculous. A social
movement is much more than a set of demands yet demands help those who are not on your side understand who you are and where you come from. Two other critical points that should be discussed in the GA are the public funding of political campaigns and the two-party system. A paramount political objective should be to get corporations to stop funding political candidates. You cannot have real democracy with the current system of fundraising. A truly democratic system would give each citizen a tax bonus of the SAME AMOUNT and enable each one of us to decide how to allocate such money. A truly democratic society should also not rely on forms of political representation based on a majoritarian (firstpast-the-post) electoral system. If we are the 99% of the country, then we ought to be able to convince the rest of the nation that the 99% counts in fact nothing. And corporate funding and the two-party system should be the two main targets of a campaign for real democracy. To sum up, the question of the redistribution of wealth and democratic control over the financial system cannot be disconnected from the question of political representation. Organizing a movement that fights "against representative politics" does not mean in my opinion to fight against *any* form of representation, but certainly against the current system of representation. We are over 6 billions on this planet. Thinking that each individual should have the right to decide on every issue in every part of the world at all times may sound fascinating but it is simply unrealistic and unrealizable. Whether we like it or not, we constantly delegate to others the understanding of issues and execution of tasks we simply do not have the time to understand and care about. (The worldwide professionalization of national armies and the advanced specialization of knowledge in scientific and academic research are just two notable cases in point).
Thus the question is not how to abolish authority and representation per se but how to produce forms of representation that are truly representative, renewable and non-ossified. The NYCGA could be such a body, once we live behind the rather childish notion that demands define us and by defining us trap us in some blind alley from which we'll be unable to move forward. Cheers, Snafu
-Diane Sare cell: 201-220-7731
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globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com on behalf of nikky schiller globalrevolutiontv@googlegroups.com Re: useless Monday, September 26, 2011 1:39:08 PM
yes take care, rest and enjoy your time it is time for that big kiss nikky On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 4:57 PM, jason ahmadi <jason.ahmadi@gmail.com> wrote: Hey all, Thanks for adding me as an editor of the livestream channel but I am proving to be useless. Every time I try and access the studio page, the browser crashed on me. I think it is a combination of an older computer and a slow internet connection. My staph is healing, but just not fast enough. Soon I will be back on the front lines with all of you, but in the meantime I suppose all I can do is rest. Peace and Love, Jason
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of J.A. Myerson september17@googlegroups.com SPAM-LOW: [september17discuss] 1199 Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:42:09 AM
Good morning everybody. 1199/SEIU (largest local union in the US) is deliberating whether to support #occupywallst and how. If anyone has ideas about what it could do to help, do please let me know, so I can pass it on. This is unofficial as of right now.
Onward! -J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com SPAM-LOW: [september17discuss] Demand and Principles of Solidarity Monday, September 26, 2011 11:36:29 AM
I need to second that, if you are reading on twitter what is exciting people across the country about this is the anti-corporate focus of the movement: http://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/%23occupytogether they are calling it an "economic civil rights movement" we are responsible to those people who have been inspired by us, adbusters, and ultimately, their family and friends who spread the message to them-We are in a big picture moment and we need simple clarity to deliver. Simple, like someone said, two words, I propose three: End Corporate Control All the other points for discussion will be incorporated into the arguments surrounding what ending corporate control means. So you are not ending discussion on any of those points, but introducing a platform so broadly defined that all of those points will make the million national discussions that will erupt as a result. On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Will <william.russell.v@gmail.com> wrote: Hey everyone, I find this draft extremely problematic. First of all, it makes no attempt to link any of the issues raised to Wall Street, which is really what unifies us at Occupy Wall Street and also is not difficult to do given the centrality of Wall Street in our system and in the economic crisis. Second, it makes virtually no mention of the war on the working class and the poor nor any mention to the politics of austerity. A few comments on some individual points. It's mention of "personal responsibility" is code for the right even if it's countered by "collective responsibility." The statement "redefining how labor is valued" is ambiguous and can be interpreted in a number of ways and is a far cry from the pro labor, pro working class message I think we agree we want to be sending, even as that message does not advocate the union bureaucracy. I could go on but I'll leave it at that. I can tell you that this does not even close to encapsulating the reasons why I signed up for Occupy Wall Street, and I can assure you there there are many other folks who have put an immense amount of work into this who feel the same way. Peace and solidarity, Will
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Conor Toms Reed september17@googlegroups.com; cunystrikestudycircle@googlegroups.com; james Hoff; Michael Busch; apdisc@googlegroups.com SPAM-LOW: [september17discuss] My article on Occupy Wall Street in the Indypendent!!! Monday, September 26, 2011 12:02:19 PM
http://www.indypendent.org/2011/09/26/arrests-trigger-occupation-support/
Solid Ground at Occupy Wall Street

By Conor Toms Reed September 26, 2011 | Posted in IndyBlog | Email this article On Saturday, Sept 24, over 100 participants in an Occupy Wall Street march in New York City were arrested in an explosion of police brutality that has catapulted this nonviolent public square movement to global attention. Swiftly, organizers blasted videos online documenting the NYPDs unhinged force while securing arrestee legal support and political re-groupment to maintain Liberty Plaza, a peoples camp that has been permanently nestled a bricks throw from Wall Street since last Saturday, Sept 17th. In the aftermath, NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly is being urged to resign in disgrace. These graphic images echo NYPD aggression from only two nights earlier, when a crowd of thousands claimed the streets of lower Manhattan on Sept 22, one day after Troy Davis execution. Called A Day of Outrage by the NYC Campaign to End the Death Penalty, what began as a Union Square vigil mourning his death became a full-scale disavowal of the US government and justice system. Thousands of people of all colors shot through the streets, without permit, ceasing traffic, dodging police vehicles, from Union Square into the West Village, then down across Broadway to join a mass rally at Liberty Plaza.
An unintended outcome of this state repression is the remarkably vast public support for these interlinking community efforts at social change. Amy Goodman, Michael Moore, Lupe Fiasco, Tom Morello, Manu Chao, Anonymous, Wikileaks, the Yes Men, and more praise the Occupy Wall Street public square movement that is being modeled after past and present tent cities in Cairo, Madison, Athens, and Madrid. The experiment is now being replicated like a fever in San Francisco, Los Angeles, Madison, Toronto, London, Sydney, Stuttgart, Tokyo, Milan, Amsterdam, Algiers, Tel Aviv, Portland, Chicago, Phoenix, Montreal, Cleveland, Atlanta, Kansas City, Dallas, Seattle, and Orlando. And yet, for those who may have only encountered the aspirations of Liberty Plaza and Co. from a computer screen, this dazzling picture can remain a bit time-lagged, grainy, and all-too-flat. At worst, it might even appear to be chaotically doomed, a political liability. As a result, the big secret is that the political event of the year is catching New York Citys hundreds of broad left groups by complete surprise. Since early August, activists of varying stripes held weekly outdoor general assemblies leading up to heed counter-culture mag Adbusters call to Occupy Wall Street. But now, because this kind of protestone where people stay put in a public space to build powerisnt in many groups repertoire, a pivotal movement may be passing them by. An on-the-ground view of Liberty Plaza clearly affirms why many more should actively support this projects growing significance. Soon after thousands peacefully set up camp in Zucotti Square (since re-named Liberty Plaza) at the corner of Broadway and Liberty on Sept 17, the assemblys various workgroups coordinated food, clean-up, bedding, student/labor networking, media/online and
community outreach, legal support, childcare, arts/culture/festivities, and more. The on-site OccupyWallSt.org broadcasts daily statements that address the squares purpose, goals, and concerns, which much media coverage chooses to ignore. All group decisions are made in the assemblies, with constant attention to historically under-represented voices, ongoing political education, and yes, good vibes. For many people contributing to this project, experiences from over the last several years have proven invaluable, including the December 2008 New School occupation; February 2009 NYU occupation; March 4 and October 7, 2010 national days to defend public education; February 2010 Wisconsin capitol occupation; early May actions in NYC and Albany against Cuomos budget; and June 2011 Bloombergville encampment against Bloombergs budget. To be sure, at times discussions in Liberty Plaza are a bit uneven because of different knowledge and experience levels, but this collective radicalizing process can become exponential with consistent undogmatic support. Young and old leaders alike are pointing the way to a unique new form of social action that requires everyone to rethink familiar organizing modes. During the early 2011 Egyptian Spring, the following phrase gave direction to mass mobilization: the road to factory occupations lies through Tahrir Square. This city and countrys own road to vibrant job actions, grassroots community control, opposition to legal lynching, and all other kinds of mechanized violence may lie through these Liberty Squares now blossoming everywhere. Egypts lessons acutely demonstrate that liberated squares must become liberated workplaces, neighborhoods, and eventually cities. This is exactly Liberty Plazas aimnot to be a self-contained, pre-figurative mini-society, but a decisive tipping point in the belly of the economic beast that can collaborate with this widening network to transform global society altogether. In 2008, David Harvey likewise asserted that our Right to the City is far more than the individual liberty to access urban resources: it is a right to change ourselves by changing the city. It is, moreover, a common rather than an individual right since this transformation inevitably depends upon the exercise of a collective power to reshape the processes of urbanization. Unsurprisingly, copies of this essay floated around the first Liberty Plaza assemblies, and continue to be shared at its free library. Harveys big-sighted emphasis on mapping the hot-spots for urban change is reflected in the public squares movements attention to not only workplaces and schools, but to these democratized hubs where diverse community sections can envision and act together in plain sight. Political discussions constantly engage the square, like Serbian student leader Ivan Marovic coming to share how youth movements helped overthrew Milosevic, and the CUNY STRIKE study circle poring through Joe Burns Reviving the Strike. Alongside principles and ideologies, street tactics and strategies flow in and out of regular conversation. Heres how we can use the police blockades of Wall Street to benefit our own efforts at shutting down financial operations. These are the city government and business pressure points. This is how we link arms or move quickly to avoid arrest or kettling. This striking union needs our support, that student coalition welcomes us to help demand a free CUNY. Mostafa Omars now-famous story on what the Egyptian revolution street-level view looked like is instructive for how Occupy Wall Street can ultimately deal with a bullish state: I listened online to an amazing tape of a radio communication between the police headquarters in Alexandria and commanders in the field, trying to deal with the flood of angry protesters. In the tape, police officers are begging headquarters for reinforcements to deal with what they described as massive and dangerous crowds of 10,000, 20,000 and 30,000 people, closing in on them everywhere in the city. But the headquarters was helpless because all of the officers in the fieldliterally all of themwere asking for reinforcements. The headquarters advised officers and units to retreat to the precincts, and the officers responded: Sir, protesters are burning the precincts. The tape ends dramatically with the commander at headquarters asking a subordinate for an explanation for the police defeats. The officer simply told him: Sir, it is over. The people are in the
saddle. The first night on occupied Wall Street, in which thousands of fiercely elated participants inaugurated this new public space of community power, hints at the kinds of action that can put people in the saddle. The tremendous roar of Justice for // JUSTICE FOR Troy Davis // TROY DAVIS! that for one near-insurrectionary night seized lower Manhattan hints at why people are propelled to take the reins. This anger and excitement will indeed continue after Saturdays unnecessarily volatile march. With this Mondays protest at Baruch College against the CUNY Trustees refusal to fund teachers healthcare or roll back the $1500 in tuition hikes, then October 5ths student walkouts across CUNY, then all the actions we have ahead both inside and outside of Liberty Plaza, the citys prelude to a revolution may not seem so unexpectedly out of reach.
#OCCUPYWALLSTREET THE MARCH TO UNION SQUARE from Rhodes Pictures on Vimeo.

Conor is a coordinator with the Adjunct Project, and a member of the CUNY STRIKE study circle. He can be reached at conortomasreed@gmail.com.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com SPAM-LOW: [september17discuss] Out Reach on the outskirts :AFSCME PRESS CONFRESS @ BOROUGH HALL SI Monday, September 26, 2011 10:23:28 PM
This one is a little on the edge , but I'm going to put it out there. I'm trying to unify Staten Island activists to get behind some kind of GA type movement. and build more support for Occupy wall st. If we could get some contingent down there, especially the Union outreach group, it could be good for us. A SI ferry action on the way may be fun. (Nothing drastic those guys have assualt rifles.) Borough Hall is across the st from the boat. They are pushing Obama's jobs bill, which I'm sure is controversial at the GA (I'm not an Obama fan at the moment) The details are below. From: Dorissa Gonzalez Date: Sep 26, 2011 8:45:08 PM Subject: AFSCME PRESS CONFRESS @ BOROUGH HALL URGING CONGRESS TO PASS JOBS BILL To: "jemcgloin@verizon.net" <jemcgloin@verizon.net>, "jamie@jamiekemmerer.com" <jamie@jamiekemmerer.com>, "metrohealth@igc.org" <metrohealth@igc.org> Cc: "rflorentino@earthlink.net" <rflorentino@earthlink.net>, "lesliegreenwood@gmail.com" <lesliegreenwood@gmail.com>, "alex.klaver.wfp@gmail.com" <alex.klaver.wfp@gmail.com>, "lyas2000@hotmail.com" <lyas2000@hotmail.com>, "cadabra1@earthlink.net" <cadabra1@earthlink.net>, "momreads@aol.com" <momreads@aol.com>, "billjohnsenwalkfordemocracy@gmail.com" <billjohnsenwalkfordemocracy@gmail.com>, "olyas2000@hotmail.com" <olyas2000@hotmail.com>
Hey All AFSCME and its affiliates are holding a press conference at Borough Hall on Thursday from 12 - 2 pm urging Congress (and Grimm if you guys agree) to pass Obama's Jobs Bill. I would love for some one from the group to talk about how this bill will impact Staten Island and why Grimm should vote in its favor. Mark, do you want to put RAP on it, as a sponsoring org? Do we want to put SI RAP or RAP SI (Restore the American Promise - Staten Island or vice versa? Any and all turnout is important. I will forward a flier tomorrow. we are looking to get Debbie Rose or Savino to speak, a long-time unemployed dc 37 member, a trades unionist, and someone from the Island (someone from our group? Our communication guy, Danny can help write your speech.) DC37 is trying to get a sound permit. Mark, can we use your microphone and speaker? Please feel free to contact me any time. Again, I was hesitant about this but now I had to create the last minute event. It would be great for us to be a part of this. Thanks
Dorissa Gonz lez Political and Legislative Organizer AFSCME New York DC1707 101 6th Ave 4th floor NY, NY 10013 Dgonzalez@afscme.org c (917) 880-8577 From: jemcgloin@verizon.net [jemcgloin@verizon.net] Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 8:19 PM To: jamie@jamiekemmerer.com; metrohealth@igc.org Cc: Dorissa Gonzalez; rflorentino@earthlink.net; jemcgloin@verizon.net; lesliegreenwood@gmail.com; alex.klaver.wfp@gmail.com; lyas2000@hotmail.com; cadabra1@earthlink.net; momreads@aol.com; billjohnsenwalkfordemocracy@gmail.com; olyas2000@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Re: Agenda Conference Call
Nice minutes: Thanks for the update. I agree completely that we need to build a movement from the ground up, and that we need to unify the left on Staten Island and accross to Brooklyn. I will make some calls to congress and try to get others to also. Meanwhile Occupy Wall St is on a roll. Michael Moore just visited there and Keith Oberman just spent about 15 minutes on the occupation, again. Thanks John McGloin On 09/26/11, Jamie Kemmerer<jamie@geekpak.com> wrote: We had our MoveOn / American Dream meeting this weekend. We had a good turnout, including people from all over Brooklyn and some people from Staten Island. These are the actions we are taking this week. We knew we didn't have time to put together an event, but we decided to collectively take individual actions. Maybe some of the other groups in CD13 would like to join in as a proxy for the events we had hoped to have this week. Here are my notes from the meeting: ============================== Action For Week Of 9/26 We are focusing on actions to help support the Jobs Bill submitted by President Obama two weeks ago, as well as the Buffett Rule bill he submitted last week. To support these bills we need to take action this week. These are the actions we agreed to as a group yesterday: 1. Call x10 We are all going to call our congresspeople (specifically Grimm and Turner) as well as our senators to ask them to support both bills. The x10 is to remind us to try to get some friends and family to also make calls so that we have a larger impact than just those who met this weekend. 2. Write Letters We also decided that we would commit to writing letters to Grimm and Turner. Real constituent letters are better than web petitions and web form letters. Just a few real letters can have a much larger impact than hundreds or even thousands of web petitions. 3. Flyers / Inform Our Community About These Bills We have a subcommittee that is already at work drafting language for a flyer that we will work to distribute at subway stops, bus stops and any other places that make sense. The goal is to catch the attention of those in our community, inform them and ideally get them to act. The Flyers are to be completed and distributed to everyone during the day on Wednesday with the goal of passing them out Thursday, Friday and over the weekend. If you are interested in passing out flyers, please let me know and I'll be sure to include you in the distribution list for this.
4. Additional Actions for Next Week - call Speaker Boehner's office in support of these bills - connect with each other on Social Media. Twitter, facebook, linkedin, etc
Items For Our Next Meeting / Longer Term Strategies Everyone agreed to think about other actions we can take as part of longer term comprehensive strategy to support the American Dream movement and to help move our political process in a more positive direction. Several items were discussed as seed ideas for our next meeting: 1. Start at The Bottom Change our party and our country by starting at the bottom - register people to vote - get out the vote - respond to the right wing noise by countering on social media, blogs, newspapers, op-eds 2. Distribute the American Dream Contract 3. Get Community Signatures on the American Dream Contract and Present to Grimm and Turner 4. Monthly Focus Select a topic a month (social security, medicare, jobs, etc) and work in conjunction with other groups to focus on that issue for a month to raise awareness on our community and across Brooklyn and Staten Island. Methods could include - issue papers / fact sheets - articles and op-eds - town halls - social media
News, Events & Links 1. We all expressed a lot of frustration at the lack of fight in the Democratic party and the general disorganization of the left. Here is a very brief article on actions we can take to change that: http://www.dissentmagazine.org/atw.php?id=508 2. Rebuild the Dream Conference 10/3-10/5: http://ourfuture.org/conference 3. Rebuild the Dream Framework from congressional progressives: http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=78&sectiontree=5,78 4. National Week of Action 10/10 - 10/16: details coming soon 5. 10/13 Bay Ridge Democrats Meeting, 7:30pm We'll be sending more information about this, but you can also check here: http://www.bayridgedemocrats.org/ 6. Restore the American Promise Meeting 9/30, 11am - 3pm - Albany: http://www.citizenactinny.org/americanpromise | cabing@citizenactionny.org 7. Finally, a little self-promotion. Here is my latest post on Social Security: http://jamiekemmerer.com/choose-safety
On Sep 23, 2011, at 5:48 PM, Metro New York Health Care for All Campaign wrote:
Dorissa, et. al., The main issues of the RAP campaign are to: Protect our nations historic social contract and safety net (Soc. Sec., Medicare, Medicaid, Food Stamps, SSI, etc. etc.) during any deficit reduction efforts Promote job creation, economic recovery, and tax fairness as the best/alternative ways to address the federal deficit in the short and long(er)-term, and assure the long-term viability of our social contract and safety net The rough goals of the RAP campaign are to: Build local organizing coalitions in key congressional districts across the state that conduct simultaneous events, especially during in-district recess periods, that pressure the NY congressional delegation on our issues and gain media coverage Engage the public, our local media, and candidates on our issues so that voters understand them, local media amplifies and messages accurately, and candidates articulate our positions. Mobilize voters to vote based on our issues and know what candidates positions are on them. I dont think we can still do a press conf. next Wed., but maybe lets try to do a phone-in day with some basic messages in support of our issue agenda vis--vis the Super Committee. Ill see if I can draft something up, and people can mobilize their networks. Dorissa, can you tell us more on what other groups are planning for next week. If so, we could plug into it and not have to start from scratch. Mark Hannay 212-925-1829
From: Dorissa Gonzalez [mailto:DGonzalez@afscme.org] Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 4:24 PM To: Jamie Kemmerer Cc: Rich Florentino; jemcgloin@verizon.net; lesliegreenwood@gmail.com; metrohealth@igc.org; alex.klaver.wfp@gmail.com; lyas2000@hotmail.com; cadabra1@earthlink.net; momreads@aol.com;billjohnsenwalkfordemocracy@gmail.com; olyas2000@hotmail.com Subject: RE: Agenda Conference Call Hey all First I want to apologize. I have been going back and rereading all the emails and realized mine had a haughty tone to it. Sorry guys! Its been a rough week and it seems as though I took it out on our coalition. Again, I sincerely apologize. In terms of the griping - what I mean is that we if we go on for 30 minutes about our issues and it doesn't result in getting us as a group closer to our goal (which Jamie and Rich you are right we need to pick a focus) then it isn't a great use of our time. I did not mean or intend to push any one away or offend anyone with that comment. After reading the emails it seems as though we have come to a consensus on a few things: Jobs No cuts to SS, medicaid, medicare People not corporations first Equality There was a general consensus during our last meeting to have an event next week, during this months Congressional recess. AFSCME wants to have events next week focusing on the job bill. At first I was pushing back as I did earlier this week. But after reading all the emails I realized I was putting too much of my two cents into the focus/goals of our group. I know it is last minute, but if you guys still want to have a press conference next week, I volunteer to handle the logistics for something on Wednesday or Thursday. We have been depending on WFP to organize events and with Alex being unavailable, I know I was like, oh well, can't be done. We have the resources - communications/press, signs, chants, literature to distribute to the public - to have this event. As of now, it seems as though my boss' are pushing to have an event and I don't want to do it without involving our group and using it as a platform for our goals! There are other groups who are going to be working on this. Some of their ideas are to have a rally in front of his office (which we did already) focusing on jobs, or a press conference in front of rundown infrastructure in order to highlight how the jobs bill will not only put hundreds of Americans back to work, but will also fix our infrastructure. We can do it on the steps of borough hall and call it a people's press conference directly for Grimm. One good thing is that my boss is putting together a list of groups who want to do this and give them my information so we can keep them posted on Grimm events!!!
Please let me know what you think. What day, time, i Dorissa Gonz lez Political and Legislative Organizer AFSCME New York DC1707 101 6th Ave 4th floor NY, NY 10013 Dgonzalez@afscme.org c (917) 880-8577 From: Jamie Kemmerer [jamie@geekpak.com] Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 1:27 PM To: Dorissa Gonzalez Cc: Rich Florentino; jemcgloin@verizon.net; lesliegreenwood@gmail.com; metrohealth@igc.org; alex.klaver.wfp@gmail.com; lyas2000@hotmail.com; cadabra1@earthlink.net; momreads@aol.com;billjohnsenwalkfordemocracy@gmail.com Subject: Re: Agenda Conference Call It would seem that we have collectively made great progress through all of the emails circulating on how we can do exactly what you describe. None of us is talking about anything national. We are focused on BK and SI. However, we are talking about leveraging work of national movements, national organizations and national issues to help resonate with our work locally here on the ground. I would take issue with the philosophizing and griping...we were trying to put a point on the effort we are trying to form. We were strategizing. The sharper the point, the clearer the focus, the more powerful the approach, the better. We have had several ideas circulated in email that people seem to be reaching consensus around. I plan on bringing these ideas to the MoveOn group tomorrow at our Rebuild the Dream meeting. I've also begun reaching out to other groups here in Brooklyn around these ideas. I'm working on building consensus and growing the impact of the work we at CD13 have been discussing. Now that we have some ideas of what we want to do, we can meet and focus on execution. We can also focus on recruitment and reaching out to all of the various groups to make as large an impact as possible. If people don't feel that we are reaching consensus in these emails, then let's have that conversation, but I've been reading a lot of agreement in our communications.
On Sep 23, 2011, at 11:40 AM, Dorissa Gonzalez wrote: When this coaltion was started, it was under the RAP message focusing on Grimm. We are focusing on the local issues of CD13. Thats is AFSCME's goal in this coalition. Ofcourse we want a greater NYS and nation, but this is a Staten Island/BK thing. It is difficult to come together and meet when every time we meet, the meetings are taken over by us discussing our personal ideas. The point of the meetings is to put those things aside and make decisions. Yes Mark, Alex, and I were late, but half of the meeting was diverted to us philosophisizing and griping about what is wrong. Yes we all know the system is messed up. But if we can't move past that and actually start to strategize, we won't get any where. We are really quick to jump in and throw things together. We honestly need to regroup and have a productive meeting. Our only really productive meeting was the first one at the restaurant off the ferry. It started off going all over the place, but Teresa managed to get everyone together and focus. Dorissa Gonz lez Political and Legislative Organizer AFSCME New York DC1707 101 6th Ave 4th floor NY, NY 10013 Dgonzalez@afscme.org c (917) 880-8577
From: Jamie Kemmerer [jamie@geekpak.com] Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 9:27 AM To: Rich Florentino Cc: jemcgloin@verizon.net; lesliegreenwood@gmail.com; metrohealth@igc.org; Dorissa Gonzalez; alex.klaver.wfp@gmail.com; lyas2000@hotmail.com; cadabra1@earthlink.net; momreads@aol.com; billjohnsenwalkfordemocracy@gmail.com Subject: Re: Agenda Conference Call Our message, in an attempt to put my underlying premise that the 40 year assualt on the middle class is the crux of the issue is... People First. Our nation and our people are in the state we are in because we put everything else first and the majority of the American people second or worse.. We We We We We put put put put put campaign contributors first. special interests first. corporations and monied interests first. foreign interests first. politics and party first.
Our nation cannot thrive if 90% of our population barely factors into the equation. We need to begin to think of people first. Social Security Medicare / Medicaid / Healthcare Jobs Wages Taxes Education Labor rights etc. All of these issues suffer from a decades long failure to put people first. This isn't anti-business or isolationist, it's simply to say that all of us feel it. The reason the tea party has erupted is because they feel it too. We all feel the pressure that is increasingly being put on the shoulders of the middle class. The solution is to put the people first.
Thus concludes my attempt to create a branded version of what I think we are all talking about.
On Sep 23, 2011, at 9:05 AM, Rich Florentino wrote: I checked out the video AND the videos of Elizabeth Warren. And maybe all of you did as well - but what about the rest of the people on Staten Island? Unless we energize - or at least interest them - we will not change things. I believe it's about 'raising consciousness' - to use a 1960's term. People have to see for themselves. Do we do - meetings, newsletters .. what? Rallies - I will participate but they don't do it. How do WE 'work together' to get the message out. Remember when Reagan said "Gov't is the Problem" or Repubs now talk about "The nanny State". This is what I mean about a core message. That stuff sticks and spreads - it resonates. It works. It actually gets people to vote against their self-interest. What is our core message????? Maybe it sounds like PR and marketing - well it IS. Are we thinking we are above this? Well first we have to deal with things as they are before we can get people to want to change things. We need to plant the seeds and water the garden. Unless the ideas grow - organically - we cannot just plop down our agenda in the middle of things. Regards all, Rich -----Original Message----From: jemcgloin@verizon.net Sent: Sep 23, 2011 12:34 AM To: lesliegreenwood@gmail.com, jemcgloin@verizon.net Cc: rflorentino@earthlink.net, jamie@geekpak.com, metrohealth@igc.org, DGonzalez@afscme.org, alex.klaver.wfp@gmail.com, lyas2000@hotmail.com, cadabra1@earthlink.net,momreads@aol.com, billjohnsenwalkfordemocracy@gmail.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: Agenda Conference Call
check out this moveon page http://front.moveon.org/the-biggest-thing-happening-right-now-that-your-local-news-probably-isnt-telling-you/ On 09/22/11, leslie greenwood<lesliegreenwood@gmail.com> wrote: Hi everybody, Sorry I have been absent from this conversation and the phone meetings. I'm juggling a number of activities in my life. Here are my two cents, questions and comments: 1. Are we cancelling the Wed Sept 28 action in Staten Island? I think it makes sense based on the comments. It's on the Jewish high holiday - we want a big turnout and would need more time to rally the people or run the risk of activist burnout. 2. As a volunteer organizer for MoveOn, my mission is to focus specifically on the movement to Restore the American Dream and the actions and agendas set up by MoveOn. It's not that I think MoveOn's ideas are any better than any other organization. I simply want to be part of a group that wants to make one giant roar all together. MoveOn is set up to get input democratically from all 5 million of its members. The staff pulls together the essence of consensus and proceeds to offer prepackaged activism "kits" (proposed agendas, organizing info for national campaigns, phone lists, email blasts to all members in a particular area, media kits, constant updates), complete with human support, mentoring and training, so leadership keeps growing exponentially in the organization. As much as I respect and appreciate the efforts to form a coalition, I can't participate in coming up with a whole new organization. I prefer to trust in the context provided by MoveOn rather than to discuss political issues, come up with mission statements, or engage in debate. I want to contribute to something that is already established. I invite all of you to be part of MoveOn's efforts, which focus a lot on meeting with, rallying and birddogging our members of congress. 3. I love the idea of a regular Town Hall type meeting where people are given fact sheets and then can be directed to groups (like MoveOn!) who are organizing meetings and actions to address these things. Thanks everyone, I'm glad that there are so many of us working on the same basic goals! Leslie On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 7:10 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: I think we should always be aiming to get as many people as we can. It will not start to big, but I am hoping to get more than 6. Maybe twenty or so. Maybe we could get that space we used for Rich's move-on meeting in Historic Richmond Town. Another option is right in front of Borough hall. We can make sure we video tape it and get it on line. It would make sense for the top of the agenda to be what message we can all agree on. We should video tape it and put it out there. By the way if you think that Occupy Wall St is fissling out, check out this face book page: carpool to occupy wall st https://www.facebook.com/pages/Carpool-to-Occupy-Wallstreet/222614057794752?sk=wall#!/pages/Carpool-to-OccupyWallstreet/222614057794752?sk=notespeople People are trying to get here from all over the country. There is supposed to be two buses comming from Wisconsin this weekend.
On 09/22/11, Rich Florentino<rflorentino@earthlink.net> wrote:
Amen, Amen.
I truly believe we need to meet once a week. But meetings need to be 'faciltated'. And one person at a time gets to speak [ - the one holding the symbolic microphone ]. And the goal always has to be to seek common ground. At first the common ground needs to be possibly something only(!) as general as liberty or equality (i.e., less inequality) or 'real' democracy - but it must be explicitly stated / written. Then if that much is agreeable [and if not - we have to give up the ship right then and there]. Then under such heading(s) we can discuss strategies, tactics, and message - including clear distinctions from 'the [temporarily] other side' - to communicate it to others less involved. If you think once a week is too much - people can come as often as they can. Think of it as something like a 'bowling league' - something participants enjoy coming to [food, drink, music - always helps]. It's important - but it needs to be social - not entirely business-like. To me I can hardly imagine something more enjoyable than an in-depth discussion with energized like-minded people. Anyway - where to meet first. The first meeting should include everyone, if at all possible. If it gets too large, for good discussions - say more than six(?) subsequently we can we can have two sets of meetings and change attendees between them and compare notes. Then a 'general assembly' periodically ( every 3 months?). I would be glad to write up and distribute a 'sense of the meeting' after the first meeting. Though all tasks (facilitating, write-ups ...) should be rotated. So, when / where do we have the 'first' meeting.
Regards to all, Rich
-----Original Message----From: Jamie Kemmerer Sent: Sep 21, 2011 11:52 AM To: jemcgloin@verizon.net Cc: rflorentino@earthlink.net, jamie@jamiekemmerer.com, metrohealth@igc.org, DGonzalez@afscme.org, alex.klaver.wfp@gmail.com, lyas2000@hotmail.com, lesliegreenwood@gmail.com Subject: Re: Agenda Conference Call I agree with this, but there is one important caveat. We need to work together. Many of us are in other groups like MoveOn, Rebuild the American Dream, Restore The Promise, WFP, etc. In order to meet weekly we have to be united in our focus and our agenda. We can each, with our separate groups work on a separate piece of the problem, but we should all be pulling towards the same goal.
Example: Restore the American Promise and Rebuild the American Dream are for all intents and purposes the same thing. Why have two? Shouldn't the two efforts be working together to make each one bigger and stronger, to get more people and more press? We are scattering ourselves. We need to focus ourselves, our friends on the other side of the aisle are very, very focused.
On Sep 20, 2011, at 7:29 PM, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote:
I personlly think the urgency of the times demands a weekly meeting, possibly with periodic events or actions aimed at a wider audience. Maybe we should broadcast this on public access, with call-ins etc. so viewers feel part of the process. John
I love the idea of doing an on-going series of something, Town Halls whatever to slowly, 'Raise Consciousness' or ' Change the Paradigm'...... Jamie, however you are thinking of proceeding, I will be glad to help. (Except - the door to door thing - I really think it's way to 'forward' for right now. And may indeed put off many people.) What we are talking about essentially is changing people's focus (lot's of people) - from looking at the Government or each other as the problem and to begin looking at the real power in society - Economic Power which actually determines the 'way things are'. This is in fact revolutionary - we need to make sure it is Evolutionary - and doesn't overshoot the mark. We are not looking for Equality (that would be painted as socialism, communism, utopiansim - all bad for PR) we just want justless INequality - i.e., a fairer more just society. Where people can actually feel once again that we Americans are all in it together. And we believe it can be done within the parameters of our Republic. But we need to attractsupport. If we have meetings - let's make it a 'gathering', food and drink are essential (no?). Let's make it something people (not just us) want to go to. 'Sexy' advertising needs to be talked about. Let's shoot for like minded individuals first. And we need to be sure of what we want the NEXT meeting to be. We need FOLLOW-UP. We need the people who come, to come again and invite others and speak to others on their own. MLK, I believe, coined the phrase (the 'meme'): "Keep your eyes on the Prize" - and they all had a crystal clear vision of the Prize - Civil Rights. Well we want OUR civil rights - again - the rights of citizens in a democratic republic - and we don't want corporations to be 'persons' with constitutional rights that were meant to protect individuals from power NOT the other way around! Regards all, Rich
-----Original Message----From: Jamie Kemmerer Sent: Sep 19, 2011 9:40 AM To: Rich Florentino Cc: Metro New York Health Care for All Campaign , 'Dorissa Gonzalez' , 'Alex Klaver' , olyas2000@hotmail.com, "jamie@jamiekemmerer.com" , "lesliegreenwood@gmail.com" Subject: Re: Agenda Conference Call I agree Rich, it is the inequality. I call it the middle class. But whatever the label, it is the fact that only some of us are benefitting while most of us are struggling. What's worse is that most people can feel the inequality, but they don't know why or what the main issues are that create the inequality. On this point, and related to some of what I was conveying at the meeting about wanting to do some things beyond protesting, I had an idea that blends some of what we had been talking about into a new hybrid idea. What if we did a series of town halls, or call them what you want, on the major issues in an attempt to get people to better understand the facts of each topic. We could do one a month, we could even invite Grimm. But once a month we look at the basic facts of one major issue. We could create fact sheets for people to take home, maybe write a corresponding op-ed for the papers. Promote them and distribute flyers and fact sheets at bus stops, subway stops etc. In essence, we try to get our community, our district, to focus on the facts of one key issue a month as a means of informing the debate. Obvious subjects include: - Social Security - Medicare / Medicaid - Taxes - Middle Class Inequality (wages, college, education etc) for the last 40 years. - Others?
On 09/20/11, Rich Florentino<rflorentino@earthlink.net> wrote:
I don't have any idea how many people would be interested in attending such a thing, but if we get 50 people and we get them to understand the core facts of each issue, it could still have an impact. I find myself frustrated at how we as a nation try to tackle issues without really informing the public about the facts. We simply talk policy or worse, talk politics but there is never any conversation about what the evidence suggests we should do. I don't know that we can single handedly change this, but I feel like someone should try.
On Sep 16, 2011, at 7:34 PM, Rich Florentino wrote:
As you are now all abundantly aware - meetings (- to put it mildly -) are by far my least effective venue for communication . Five minutes in front of a group, one-on-one conversation, writing - all much, much better for me. Basically, I just need more time to think through what I'm going to say and meetings never allow that. And then, I often find myself just stupidly frustrated. However, in the hopes of a still having a chance to get across what I wanted to say, let me paraphrase Bill Clinton / James Carville -- "It's the Inequality, people". If you recall what they they said, exactly, it was : "It's the Economy, stupid". And they said to their staff - to keep them 'on message'. It was actually not directed at voters. And, as you know, it worked. IMHO, that is what we need - something like that - a CORE focus - and I think Inequality is it. To me it's a natural. I've talked to dozens of people about this (mainly in non-political settings) and it always resonates - people (small businessmen included) feel it in their gut. We're all more or less hanging onto a slippery steep slope between billionaires and poverty. One job away from disaster - while the high priests of the capitalism are above it all and yet dangle 'trickle-down' rewards always just out of reach. There is a ton of data to support not only the bare facts of Inequality but most importantly the devastating effects it has on a democracy - in all aspects of life. If haven't yet achieved personna-non-grata status, I would love to develop this line of thinking with you into something really succinct, well-thought out that will work. Please contact me. Thanks. Regards all, Rich
-----Original Message----From: Metro New York Health Care for All Campaign Sent: Sep 15, 2011 2:19 PM To: 'Rich Florentino' , 'Dorissa Gonzalez' , 'Alex Klaver' , olyas2000@hotmail.com Subject: RE: Agenda Conference Call
I agree. We do need to add a concrete action item of some sort to the agenda for people to work on to keep all motivated and engaged. Maybe we can discuss this in the context of mapping out a fall calendar. The next district work period (recess) is last week of this month (Sept. 26-30), so we could try to plan something simple for then. After that, the next recess week is Oct. 17-21, so we could try to plan a major town hall type event for then. Ill know more after the next statewide RAP campaign call (happening today at 4 p.m. let me know if you want call-in info for that.) Mark
From: Rich Florentino [mailto:rflorentino@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 9:46 AM To: Dorissa Gonzalez; Alex Klaver; metrohealth@igc.org; olyas2000@hotmail.com Subject: RE: Agenda Conference Call One thing I wanted to see - possibly under Timeline was that we have a Town Hall meeting in the near future. This in conjunction with review of 'mission statement' is important to coordinating our efforts and getting feedback on our core message. If we are going to have our idea(s) 'stick' we need to clarify / hone them and see how they play. Regards all, Rich -----Original Message-----
From: Dorissa Gonzalez Sent: Sep 14, 2011 4:49 PM To: Alex Klaver , "metrohealth@igc.org" , "rflorentino@earthlink.net" , "olyas2000@hotmail.com" Subject: RE: Agenda Conference Call Hello there Below are the notes from the conversation between Mark, Richard, and myself. Tentative Agenda Overview of 2011 Summer recess - good, bad, what should be changed RAP statewide campaign - Mark goes over RAP campaign statewide Congressional supercommittee Obama Jobs speech/plan - AFSCME present quick overview Steering Committee - creating a steering committee for entire group. who wants to join? Name ideas? (We are Staten Island for example, although a local politician has already used this). The reason I am suggestion a name is because it isn't just afscme, 1199, RAP, and WFP. It is local folks. In addition, it will help deflect claims of us being tree huggers and other nonsense. Mission statement for group - look over Marks RAP statement as a statement for the group Timeline - create a timeline from now until end of year (and next recess). Not create actual actions, but tentative schedule for future actions Staten Island Outreach - materials, who, how, where Dorissa Gonz lez Political and Legislative Organizer AFSCME New York DC1707 101 6th Ave 4th floor NY, NY 10013 Dgonzalez@afscme.org c (917) 880-8577 From: Alex Klaver [alex.klaver.wfp@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 2:04 PM To: Metro New York Health Care for All Campaign Cc: Dorissa Gonzalez; Teresa Caliari; Rich Florentino Subject: Re: Agenda Conference Call Great! 4pm sounds good for everyone. Unfortunately I will be in the field at 4pm and won't be able to make the call. But you guys should have the conference call and form an agenda, then send it to me and I'll put it together, send it around and bring it to the meeting tomorrow night. You can dial into 218 339 2500 and push 100798#. I may be able to make it on the call, but don't wait for me. -Alex On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Metro New York Health Care for All Campaign <metrohealth@igc.org> wrote:
Either time OK for me. Mark
From: Dorissa Gonzalez [mailto:DGonzalez@afscme.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 11:19 AM To: Alex Klaver; Teresa Caliari; Metro New York Health Care for All Campaign; Rich Florentino Subject: RE: Agenda Conference Call I can at 4 pm Dorissa Gonz lez Political and Legislative Organizer AFSCME New York DC1707 101 6th Ave 4th floor NY, NY 10013 Dgonzalez@afscme.org c (917) 880-8577
From: Alex Klaver [alex.klaver.wfp@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 11:18 AM To: Teresa Caliari; Dorissa Gonzalez; Metro New York Health Care for All Campaign; Rich Florentino Subject: Agenda Conference Call Can everyone hop on a quick conference call at 2pm today to set an agenda for the coalition meeting tomorrow? Let me know and I'll send around a number and code. -Alex
-----Original Message----From: Metro NY Health Care for All Campaign Sent: Sep 13, 2011 7:33 AM To: Alex Klaver Subject: Re: thurs.? Sounds good -- lemme know what time to get out to your office on Thurs. afternoon/eve. MH
-----Original Message----From: Alex Klaver Sent: Sep 13, 2011 12:41 AM To: Metro New York Health Care for All Campaign Subject: Re: thurs.? The Staten Island Coalition. Thursday Sept. 15th at 7PM at Make the Road-Staten Island office. If you need a ride, you can come to the WFP office. We'll be discussing what went well during August Recess, what could have been done better, deciding on a strategy for the next little while, planning a Peoples' Town Hall, creating a steering committee and developing a plan for each group to reach out to local SI'ers. Sorry this email is short, it's GOTV and I've got to be awake in a few hours. -Alex On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Metro New York Health Care for All Campaign <metrohealth@igc.org> wrote:
Hey Alex, Yes, I am back safe and sound and rested. Since Im now just starting working my way thru a gazillion back emails, can you just give me the quick who, when, where, etc.? Thx, Mark
From: Alex Klaver [mailto:alex.klaver.wfp@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 12:04 PM To: Metro New York Health Care for All Campaign Subject:
Hey Mark,
Hope you had a good vacation. Will you be able to make the coalition meeting on Thursday? -Alex
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 SPAM-LOW: [september17discuss] Re: DEMANDS Monday, September 26, 2011 8:36:05 AM
No, sorry, this is ridiculous. Britain and Canada have far stricter election laws and Britain basically invented kettling and Canada's prime minister suspends parliament when he has a bad mood. The electoral reform in Canada didn't close the Fraser institute. Get corporate money out of politics and little will change because the people running for congress will still be corporate money themselves. The only one that's true for Canada and the UK in your list is healthcare. Hell, Germany and France have proportional representation and strict electoral laws. Only someone who is utterly unaware of the rest of the world would insist that France is not an actively imperialist country on a scale very much comparable to the United States. Bubbles and crashes are inherent in capitalism. We've had constant bubbles and crashes for two centuries now. Hell, when France founded its first limited liability companies, there was an almost immediate bubble and crash (that was the early 18th century). The only reason the new deal happened is the reason Bismarck, the head of the german conservative party and a man who was impossibly happy about the anarchist communist split, was the one who passed it: it was to save the system by buying out some of the population. The Spanish keep writing us (the people on the website) to not commit their original mistake: if it looks like an electoralist platform, if it looks like we're doing parliamentarianism, then we'll lose, plain and simple, because we're not parliamentarians. And a minor electoral reform is still empty parliamentarianism, not a revolution. We're insisting on bringing back stopgap parliamentary reforms that only existed because the system was otherwise falling apart, as our one great demand? Why? So our grandchildren have to pick up the flags again for what we didn't do when the same system we're putting back on life support falls apart again? What about a demand to the people? Form popular assemblies. Everywhere. Every public square, every community, every town. Hell, every shop, every factory, every job center, every office, every school. We can be the demand. If anything this insistance on one demand is bullshit. We can't condense in one demand end everyone knows it. The only people I've seen insist on "one demand only" are people who would rather fight against us than break their own chains.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Will september17 SPAM-LOW: [september17discuss] Re: Huge Possibilities for Outreach this Weekend!!! (Slutwalk, Rally for a Nuke-Free World, The Campaign to End the New Jim Crow) Monday, September 26, 2011 12:52:06 PM
I agree Mad Hatter. Please change the topic back to the original, since this thread is not about the Postal workers' protest On Sep 26, 12:50 pm, MAd Hatter <progressivecha...@gmail.com> wrote: > we should have a meeting to coordinate a coherent strategy for Saturday. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:46 AM, grimwomyn <grimwo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > OOOHHHH I love this idea!!!!!!! Make the park the center for all to mingle > > and meet and make each other stronger after the marches!!!!!!!!! LOVE > > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Will <william.russel...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> Great suggestion Luis! > > >> On Sep 26, 11:27 am, Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocabal...@yahoo.es> > >> wrote: > >> > Yes! and physically bring those marches to Zucotti, as it happened with > >> > the Troy Davis march! > > >> > On Sep 26, 2011, at 11:17 AM, Will wrote: > > >> > > Hey beautiful people, > > >> > > Last Saturday's march was amazing until it ended in extreme police > >> > > brutality, and I have a suggestion for how we can follow up that march > >> > > with something potentially even bigger and in my opinion infinitely > >> > > more significant. > > >> > > This Saturday is a huge day for marches in NYC, with Slutwalk, the > >> > > Rally for a Nuke-Free World, both of which will likely draw about > >> > > 1,000 people each, and an event for the Campaign to End the New Jim > >> > > Crow. (I'll add more info about each of these protests below.) > >> > > Unfortunately each of these events is planned for more or less the > >> > > same time, which I think is indicative of the current level of > >> > > division within the left, or at least its severe lack of > >> > > coordination. > > >> > > For us to organize a large march for the same time would show a huge > >> > > lack of solidarity and I strongly urge that we avoid doing this! > > >> > > I suggest that instead we organize ourselves into three groups based > >> > > upon which event we would like to identify with this Saturday (tough > >> > > choice I know!) and mobilize the mass of ourselves to show up in force > >> > > at these events. I don't suggest that we organize marches from the > >> > > occupation to these events, first because we need to save our energy > >> > > for them and second because of the risk of drawing more police
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>> > > brutality to ourselves and also to the other protesters involved in >> > > these events. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a golden opportunity for us to further project our reach beyond the financial district, build our own movement, and show our solidarity and establish ties with the rest of the NYC left. We can make Occupy Wall Street a place where previously fragmented segments of the left can find a unifying cause and a safe place to build campaigns around their specific issues. I know for sure that after the police crackdown on us this past Saturday we gained a lot of sympathy from long-time activists in the city who might have been skeptical about us before and recognition that we are a force to be reckoned with. Let's show NYC, the country and the world that Occupy Wall Street is a place where different sections of the left can come together and unite around a common purpose.
>> > > In solidarity, >> > > Will >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >---------------------------> Slutwalk NYC - Union Square - Noon >http://slutwalknyc.com/ >http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IEhxr4-Yhqw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No No No No No No No matter matter matter matter matter matter matter who you are where you work how you identify how you flirt what you wear whom you choose to love what you said before:
NO ONE has the right to touch you without your consent. SlutWalk NYC is part of a worldwide grassroots movement challenging rape culture, victim-blaming and slut-shaming, and working to end sexual and domestic violence. Note on the name: This movement is a response to what the police commissioner of Toronto said at a gathering, that if women didn't dress like sluts, they wouldn't become victims of violence. This has already spawned huge marches across Canada, the US and the world (Mexico City, Honduras, Mumbai, etc) ---------------------------Rally for a Nuclear-Free Future - Pier 95 Hudson River Park - Noon
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>> > > >http://www.nuclearfreeplanet.org/articles/coalition-against-nukes-ral... >> > > The Coalition Against Nukes National Day of Action flagship rally will >> > > be in NYC Saturday, October 1, 2011. Located at Pier 95 Hudson River >> > > Park, 12th Ave @ West 55th Street, from Noon to 3:30 pm >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > The Fukushima Daiichi meltdowns inspired this grassroots action. It was intensified by the August 23 magnitude 5.8 earthquake that caused two reactors at Virginias North Anna nuclear plant to shut down. Twelve reactors up and down the eastern US reported "unusual events" to the NRC.
>> > > Then, on August 28, Hurricane Irene demonstrated powerfully that >> > > electrical power and transportation routes can be disrupted over a
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>> > > very large area-for days and weeks. >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > In New York, Entergys aging, leaky, 40-year old Indian Point nuclear reactors, with uncorrected safety concerns yet under consideration for additional 20-year relicensing by the Obama Administration, are located near 2 fault lines, just north of NYC in a very denselypopulated area. Twenty million people live within 50 miles of Indian Point in NY, New Jersey and Connecticut.
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> We stand with the people of Japan who are suffering this ongoing > nuclear disaster. We cannot let that happen here! >---------------------------> NJC: The Campaign to End the New Jim Crow > Assembly Hall, Riverside Church 490 Riverside Drive [Enter on > Claremont Ave] Manhattan, NY - 1pm >www.endjimcrow.org
>> > > The Issue? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -2.3 million Americans are imprisoned (twice as much as London and four times as much as France). While African Americans constitute 13 percent of the U.S. population, they disproportionately fill the prison system at 38 percent. -Since the War on Drugs, the number of inmates imprisoned for drug convictions increased from 41,100 to 1/2 million with the vast majority being people of color. -According to a Health and Drug study, Blacks make up 14 percent of the drug user population, but constitute 54 percent of drug convictions in the U.S. Criminal Justice System. -5.3 million Americans are denied the right to vote because of laws prohibiting voting by people with felony convictions. This has resulted in the disenfranchisement of an estimated 13% of black men. -The "felon" label continues to bar ex-offenders from public housing, welfare and other basic rights
>> > > The Answer? >> > > NJC: The Campaign to End the New Jim Crow >> > > Join us in building a movement to end mass incarceration and the >> > > injustices of the new caste system. Find out how you can help at our >> > > first open organizing meeting. All are welcomed! >> > > START study groups, DEMAND justice, CHALLENGE legislators, HOLD law >> > > enforcement accountable, DOCUMENT the struggle, GET INVOLVED! >> > > For more information, visit our website atwww.endjimcrow.orgorcall >> > > 212-501-2112 >> > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Lauren september17 SPAM-LOW: [september17discuss] Re: Video of Sept 24 arrests Sunday, September 25, 2011 10:49:26 PM
I agree with the idea of remaining as respectful as we can with the beat cops, at least as long needed, that said I also think any statement or communique should try to encourage them to break ranks with demands for brutality and illegal orders and insist that we are supporting anyone who does so rather than insist on fuzzy sing-kumbayatogether bullshit like saying they're not the enemy. They're the enemy in certain conditions, we're merely being polite. Also there may be rifts between beat cops and officers to exploit.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com SPAM-LOW: [september17discuss] Should Blacks Answer Obama"s Call To March By Joining "Occupy Wall Street"? Sunday, September 25, 2011 12:55:27 PM
http://crabbygolightly.com/mt/2011 Should Blacks Answer Obama's Call To March By Joining 'Occupy Wall Street'?
IN A ROUSING SPEECH delivered at the 41st Congressional Black Caucus Foundation's Annual Legislative Conference, President Obama urged African Americans to keep the faith as African Americans struggle against a 17 percent unemployment rate and 40 percent poverty rate for their children. "Youve got to be a little crazy to have faith during such hard times," the President said. "Its heartbreaking, and its frustrating." Obama said he was "going to press on for the sake of all those families who are struggling right now... [but] I expect all of you to march with me and press on. Take off your bedroom slippers, put on your marching shoes. Shake it off. Stop complaining, stop grumbling, stop crying. We are going to press on." As it happens the most potent protest to occur in recent decades is occurring at this moment in New York where 'Occupy Wall Street' is calling attention to the U.S.'s "corporate greed and corrupt politics." Eighty protesters were arrested Saturday. "The enemy is the big business leaders of Wall Street, the big oil company leaders, the coal company leaders, the big military industrial leaders," 21-year-old protester Ryan Reed told the BBC. A videotape posted on YouTube showed police cordoning protesters with nets. Inspired by the Arab Spring, organizers called for 20,000 protesters to descend on lower Manhattan to protest excessive corporate profits at the expense of workers. Protesters began their campaign on Sept. 17. Media reporters have described the protesters representing "99 percent" of Americans as predominantly college aged. No doubt they would welcome the company of African Americans struggling to stay afloat following Wall Street's ravishment of the U.S. economy that precipitated the housing -- and economy's collapse.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Conor Toms Reed september17@googlegroups.com SPAM-LOW: [september17discuss] THIS MONDAY, 4pm: Support the Demonstration at Baruch for CUNY Teachers" Health Insurance Sunday, September 25, 2011 5:48:51 PM
Dear beautifully occupied Liberty Plaza fam, This Monday afternoon, community members of conscience will gather at Baruch College to pressure the CUNY Board of Trustees to ensure that over 1,700 adjuncts aren't stripped of our health coverage in mid2012. The PSC teachers' union has posted some helpful info on their site about it, including here and here. Teachers, students, staff, and the public will also raise other grievances: $1500 in irrational tuition increases, NYPD/CIA spying on CUNY Muslim student groups, disintegrating infrastructures, resource disparities across CUNY schools, excessive administration salaries, and police brutality against teachers and students in Saturday's march. People will protest inside the BoT meeting in the Vertical Campus building on the 14th floor, as well as outside at Lexington and 24th street. Please contribute to re-envisioning CUNY by connecting "Occupy Wall Street" to these education issues. Help us take action on Monday! hearty regards, -Conor Toms Reed Adjunct Project co-coordinator, education & advocacy 979 204 9253 ---------- Forwarded message ---------From: Professional Staff Congress <PSC2334B@pscmail.org>
This Week In the PSC

September 19, 2011
CCNY Chapter Meeting, Tue Sept 20 12:00pm Baruch College HEO Meeting, Sept 20, 12:30pm BMCC Chapter meeting, Sept 21, 2:00pm Delegate Assembly Meeting, Sept 22, 6:30pm BCC Chapter Meeting, Sept 22, 12pm Labor Goes to the Movies, Sept 23,
September 26th Demonstration for Adjunct Health Insurance

Next Monday, September 26, at 4:00 PM hundreds of your CUNY colleagues will gather at the CUNY Board of Trustees meeting at Baruch College. Please join us in attending the Board meeting and demonstrating outside of Baruch College (55 Lexington Ave. at 24th St.), where the meeting is held. Be there if you are an adjunct whose own health insurance is threatened. Be there if you would be ashamed to work in a university that allowed a major part of its workforce to lose their health insurance. Stand up for your colleagues, for your sense of what a university is, for yourself. Also, we need your signature before the 26th on both the letter and petition in support of maintaining adjunct health insurance. Do it today. Heres what else you can do: Contact Brian Graf to join the organizing effort to save adjunct health care; Tell us your story if youre an adjunct who receives health insurance from the PSC-CUNY Welfare Fund; Share a statement of solidarity, if youre a full-timer who thinks CUNY should fully fund health insurance for adjuncts.
6:00pm Campaign for Adjunct Health Insurance Demonstration at CUNY Board Meeting, Sept 26, 4:00pm Brooklyn Chapter Meeting, Sept 27, 12:30pm Visit the online calendar for more details
Use #AdjunctHI to follow and discuss the issue on Twitter The September issue of Clarion has a special section devoted to the Adjunct Health Care campaign. Read the online version here.
Labor Goes to the Movies Film Series Starts Friday

Now in its eleventh season, the Labor Goes to the Movies film series will focus on the theme of "Lessons" this year. This season's first film night features two short films with wildly divergent takes on education: Zero for Conduct (Vigo, 1933) and Binta and the Great Idea (Javier Fesser, 2004). Well be screening both films this Friday evening in the Union Hall (61 Broadway, 16th Floor) from 6:00-9:00 PM. Learn more about the film series and this weeks movies here.
Defending Public Higher Education Conference Save the Date and Spread the Word
The PSC and other groups are sponsoring a free, day-long conference at the CUNY Graduate Center on October 7. Join us for a day of collective thinking about the challenges facing public higher education, and help define strategies that will reverse the disturbing trend of disinvestment in higher education. Click for Information and a link to a downloadable flier.
Tell Congress to Pass the American Jobs Act

The PSC is partnering with our national affiliate, the American Federation of Teachers (AFT), to press Congress to pass President Obamas American Jobs Act. Passing the bill will save and create hundreds of thousands of well-paying jobs and grow our economy by making investments in our nations crumbling infrastructure. It will also maintain support for critical public services, such as education and job training, and provide $235 million for community college infrastructure needs in New York State. Please take a moment right now to send the AFT letter to your congressional representatives.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of J.A. Myerson september17@googlegroups.com SPAM-LOW: [september17discuss] Woo! Salman Rushdie, of all people, complains of blackout Monday, September 26, 2011 10:35:32 AM
Check it: http://twitter.com/#!/SalmanRushdie/status/118332467676585984 -J.A. Myerson http://www.jamyerson.com 347.688.0241
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Marina Sitrin september17@googlegroups.com SPAM-LOW: Re: [september17discuss] Buses and suspected protesters might be getting turned back Monday, September 26, 2011 9:26:43 AM
If people are not being allowed into the city they should call the National Lawyers Guild number and we will get some of our lawyer legal team on it. (212) 679-6018 Marina On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: > I know some groups have been stuck trying to enter NYC. > > We need to find and organize a way to get them through. Anyone have > ideas?
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com SPAM-LOW: Re: [september17discuss] CRASH Press conf. for NYPD Commish Ray Kelly: tmw Tues 9/27 Monday, September 26, 2011 1:33:13 PM
agreed- we need to get clashes with the police out of the headlines and ideas for change and the future back in On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Gary Roland <opesr.nyc@gmail.com> wrote: I like the idea of making this a show of support for the police officers to start acting responsibly and non-violently. This could be our contradiction event, showing that we are not against the police, only against when they prop up the financiers will. However this goes against the statement issued that Commissioner Kelly should resign. Disrupting the police press conference would obviously escalate the situation, but a show of support to them "following the law" and respecting citizens would be a de-escalation with the police, and may be good for the longevity of the movement. ~GARY On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:11 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: We can do both-- we should all be in suits, bringing flowers to thank them.
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:47 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: revolution! not resolution! On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:47 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: Isn't it worth considering going in not with recrimination but rather with quiet dignity, accepting their acknowledgment that they went overboard, and pledging to work with them to keep this a peaceful resolution, emphasizing that working middle class people like police and fire fighters are part of the 99%. It will put them in the position of being supportive of the occupation. On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: Conor, Great idea! 2011/9/26 Conor Toms Reed <conortomasreed@gmail.com> Hey, folks. It looks like the NYPD's trying to do a quick PR clean-up. Should we bring some folks from Liberty Plaza to chant "SHAME" for the NYPD's recent brutalities on Thursday night for the Troy Davis and Saturday for the Occupy Wall Street march? The celebratory language of
the press release is strange, given that one of the speakers, Jumaane Williams, was illegally arrested at the West Indian Day parade (walking while Black). what do y'all think? -Conor ---------- Forwarded message ---------From: todd eaton <toddeaton@optonline.net> Date: Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:08 AM Subject: Press conf. for NYPD Commish Ray Kelly: tmw Tues 9/27 To: cuny-students-unite@googlegroups.com Press conference to applaud NYC's & NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly's announced intention that his forces may begin to comply with rule of law...following City for a decade and counting having centered its public safety efforts around making many tens of thousands of plainly illegal race arrests, in a coordinated campaign that was apparently specifically designed to compel Black and Latino youth to move away. Call for the passage of New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti) and City Council Resolution 0986-2011 (Mark-Viverito) Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm at 1 Police Plaza TRANSIT: #4,5,6 train to Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, J train to Chambers street; R, but never N, to City Hall (Broadway & Warren); A, C to Chambers (at Church St.); #1, 2, 3 to Chambers (at W. Broadway); E to WTC; Police Plz is just east of the 1 Centre St. Municipal Bldg., equivalent of Chambers St.; MAP: <http://ow.ly/5or1N > ["I'll believe it when it's in my hot little hand." - Anon.] = = = Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 09:44:17 -0400 From: "Jeremy Saunders, VOCAL-NY" <jeremy@vocal-ny.org> Subject: [Rttc-nyc] Big Victory for NYPD Accountability! In response to mounting pressure, NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly told police officers last week to follow the law and stop making costly and racially biased marijuana arrests, now the number one arrest in New York City. This could translate into tens of thousands of fewer arrests among Black and Latino youth each year. VOCAL-NY led the grassroots effort to end these arrests in collaboration with our allies at the Drug Policy Alliance (DPA) and the Institute for Juvenile Justice Reform and Alternatives (IJJRA). Although marijuana use is higher among whites, 86% of those arrested for marijuana possession last year were Black and Latino youth. The NYPD's aggressive use of stop-and-frisks in communities of color, along with unconstitutional searches that often follow, have largely driven these arrests. Being arrested can mean more than a night in jail too. It
can make it difficult for people to find housing, get a job, take care of their family and apply for tuition assistance. Please join us this Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm to celebrate this important victory and call for effective implementation. What: Press conference applauding NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly's policy shift to enforce existing marijuana possession laws and to call for the passage of New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti) and City Council Resolution 0986-2011 (Mark-Viverito) When: Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm Where: 1 Police Plaza; 4,5,6 train to Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, J train to Chambers street; [or R, but never N, to City Hall (Broadway & Warren); A, C to Chambers (at Church St.); #1, 2, 3 to Chambers (at W. Broadway); E to WTC; Police Plz is just east of the 1 Centre St. Municipal Bldg., equivalent of Chambers St.; map: <http://ow.ly/5or1N > -t.] Who: Drug Policy Alliance, IJJRA, VOCAL-NY, New York Assembly Member Hakeem Jeffries, NYC Council Members Melissa Mark-Viverito and Jumaane D. Williams, advocates, and others BACKGROUND: On Monday, September 19th, responding to mounting public pressure from advocates and elected officials, NYPD police commissioner Ray Kelly issued an operations order that clarified existing marijuana possession laws, instructing officers not to arrest people for marijuana in public view when complying with an officer's demand to "empty their pockets". This change could lead to the reduction of tens of thousands of arrests in New York City. Nearly all of these arrests have been made in defiance of the law. Marijuana has been decriminalized since 1977, making possession of 25 grams or less of marijuana a violation, punishable by a $100 fine, not arrest and jail. However, possessing or burning marijuana in public view is a criminal offense punishable by arrest and jail. Since 1996, the NYPD has made over 535,000 arrests for possession of small amounts of marijuana. In 2010 alone, 50,383 people were arrested for simple marijuana possession, comprising nearly 15% of all arrests and making it the number one arrest in the city. Most of these arrests were not for smoking in public, but were the result of complying with an officer's demand to disclose contraband or from a police search and being improperly charged for "marijuana in public view" instead of the non-criminal violation offense. Join the VOCAL-NY, Drug Policy Alliance and IJJRA, together with elected officials, to applaud the Police Commissioner for his policy change, and to urge cooperation to ensure that officers follow this directive. This operations order can be made permanent, and apply to all of New York state, by passing New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti). The
NYC City Council has introduced a resolution (0986-2011/Mark-Viverito) supporting the passage of this legislation. -Please note: VOCAL New York was formerly the NYC AIDS Housing Network (NYCAHN) ***Please update your address books with our new emails*** Jeremy Saunders VOCAL New York 917-676-8041 (cell) jeremy@vocal-ny.org   website: www.VOCAL-NY.org facebook: www.facebook.com/vocalny twitter: http://twitter.com/vocalnewyork donate online: http://tinyurl.com/nycahndonate
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Gary Roland september17@googlegroups.com SPAM-LOW: Re: [september17discuss] CRASH Press conf. for NYPD Commish Ray Kelly: tmw Tues 9/27 Monday, September 26, 2011 1:47:37 PM
We always should take the higher ground which in this case would be forgiveness rather than vengeance... ~GARY On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Gary Roland <opesr.nyc@gmail.com> wrote: After telling their stories they should be expressing the fact that they forgive the police and hope they will be joining us. The chant "cops are workers too, we are fighting for you too" comes to mind. Ivan from Otpor said we need a contradiction event to express to the men in blue that they are supporting the wrong side, and show that the people giving the orders are not their friends. A forgiveness action showing that we are on their side might help. ~GARY On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com> wrote: We should get Anna and others who were brutalized by the police to show their wounds and tell their stories. Marisa On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Gary Roland <opesr.nyc@gmail.com> wrote: > I like the idea of making this a show of support for the police officers to > start acting responsibly and non-violently. This could be our contradiction > event, showing that we are not against the police, only against when they > prop up the financiers will. > > However this goes against the statement issued that Commissioner Kelly > should resign. Disrupting the police press conference would obviously > escalate the situation, but a show of support to them "following the law" > and respecting citizens would be a de-escalation with the police, and may be > good for the longevity of the movement. > ~GARY > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:11 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> We can do both-- we should all be in suits, bringing flowers to thank >> them. >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:47 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> revolution! not resolution! >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:47 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com>
>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Isn't it worth considering going in not with recrimination but rather >>>> with quiet dignity, accepting their acknowledgment that they went overboard, >>>> and pledging to work with them to keep this a peaceful resolution, >>>> emphasizing that working middle class people like police and fire fighters >>>> are part of the 99%. >>>> It will put them in the position of being supportive of the occupation. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Conor, Great idea! >>>>> >>>>> 2011/9/26 Conor Toms Reed <conortomasreed@gmail.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hey, folks. It looks like the NYPD's trying to do a quick PR clean-up. >>>>>> Should we bring some folks from Liberty Plaza to chant "SHAME" for the >>>>>> NYPD's recent brutalities on Thursday night for the Troy Davis and Saturday >>>>>> for the Occupy Wall Street march? The celebratory language of the press >>>>>> release is strange, given that one of the speakers, Jumaane Williams, was >>>>>> illegally arrested at the West Indian Day parade (walking while Black). >>>>>> >>>>>> what do y'all think? >>>>>> -Conor >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------->>>>>> From: todd eaton <toddeaton@optonline.net> >>>>>> Date: Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:08 AM >>>>>> Subject: Press conf. for NYPD Commish Ray Kelly: tmw Tues 9/27 >>>>>> To: cuny-students-unite@googlegroups.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Press conference to applaud NYC's & NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly's >>>>>> announced intention that his forces may begin to comply with rule of >>>>>> law...following City for a decade and counting having centered its public >>>>>> safety efforts around making many tens of thousands of plainly illegal race >>>>>> arrests, in a coordinated campaign that was apparently specifically designed >>>>>> to compel Black and Latino youth to move away. >>>>>> >>>>>> Call for the passage of New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 >>>>>> (Grisanti) and City Council Resolution 0986-2011 (Mark-Viverito) >>>>>> Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm at 1 Police Plaza >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> A, C to >>>>>> to WTC; >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> York >>>>>> among >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> arrested >>>>>> NYPD's >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> make >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> policy >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>
TRANSIT: #4,5,6 train to Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, J train to Chambers street; R, but never N, to City Hall (Broadway & Warren); Chambers (at Church St.); #1, 2, 3 to Chambers (at W. Broadway); E Police Plz is just east of the 1 Centre St. Municipal Bldg., equivalent of Chambers St.; MAP: <http://ow.ly/5or1N > ["I'll believe it when it's in my hot little hand." - Anon.] = = = Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 09:44:17 -0400 From: "Jeremy Saunders, VOCAL-NY" <jeremy@vocal-ny.org> Subject: [Rttc-nyc] Big Victory for NYPD Accountability! In response to mounting pressure, NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly told police officers last week to follow the law and stop making costly and racially biased marijuana arrests, now the number one arrest in New City. This could translate into tens of thousands of fewer arrests Black and Latino youth each year. VOCAL-NY led the grassroots effort to end these arrests in collaboration with our allies at the Drug Policy Alliance (DPA) and the Institute for Juvenile Justice Reform and Alternatives (IJJRA). Although marijuana use is higher among whites, 86% of those for marijuana possession last year were Black and Latino youth. The aggressive use of stop-and-frisks in communities of color, along with unconstitutional searches that often follow, have largely driven these arrests. Being arrested can mean more than a night in jail too. It can it difficult for people to find housing, get a job, take care of their family and apply for tuition assistance. Please join us this Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm to celebrate this important victory and call for effective implementation. What: Press conference applauding NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly's shift to enforce existing marijuana possession laws and to call for the passage of New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti) and City Council Resolution 0986-2011 (Mark-Viverito) When: Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm Where: 1 Police Plaza; 4,5,6 train to Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, J train to Chambers street; [or R, but never N, to City Hall (Broadway & Warren); A, C to Chambers (at Church St.); #1, 2, 3 to Chambers (at
W. >>>>>> Broadway); E to WTC; Police Plz is just east of the 1 Centre St. Municipal >>>>>> Bldg., equivalent of Chambers St.; map: <http://ow.ly/5or1N > -t.] >>>>>> >>>>>> Who: Drug Policy Alliance, IJJRA, VOCAL-NY, New York Assembly Member >>>>>> Hakeem Jeffries, NYC Council Members Melissa Mark-Viverito and Jumaane D. >>>>>> Williams, advocates, and others >>>>>> >>>>>> BACKGROUND: >>>>>> On Monday, September 19th, responding to mounting public pressure from >>>>>> advocates and elected officials, NYPD police commissioner Ray Kelly issued >>>>>> an operations order that clarified existing marijuana possession laws, >>>>>> instructing officers not to arrest people for marijuana in public view when >>>>>> complying with an officer's demand to "empty their pockets". This change >>>>>> could lead to the reduction of tens of thousands of arrests in New York >>>>>> City. >>>>>> >>>>>> Nearly all of these arrests have been made in defiance of the law. >>>>>> Marijuana has been decriminalized since 1977, making possession of 25 grams >>>>>> or less of marijuana a violation, punishable by a $100 fine, not arrest and >>>>>> jail. However, possessing or burning marijuana in public view is a criminal >>>>>> offense punishable by arrest and jail. >>>>>> >>>>>> Since 1996, the NYPD has made over 535,000 arrests for possession of >>>>>> small amounts of marijuana. In 2010 alone, 50,383 people were arrested for >>>>>> simple marijuana possession, comprising nearly 15% of all arrests and making >>>>>> it the number one arrest in the city. Most of these arrests were not for >>>>>> smoking in public, but were the result of complying with an officer's demand >>>>>> to disclose contraband or from a police search and being improperly charged >>>>>> for "marijuana in public view" instead of the non-criminal violation >>>>>> offense. >>>>>> >>>>>> Join the VOCAL-NY, Drug Policy Alliance and IJJRA, together with >>>>>> elected officials, to applaud the Police Commissioner for his policy change, >>>>>> and to urge cooperation to ensure that officers follow this directive. This
>>>>>> operations order can be made permanent, and apply to all of New York state, >>>>>> by passing New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti). The NYC City >>>>>> Council has introduced a resolution (0986-2011/Mark-Viverito) >>>>>> supporting the passage of this legislation. >>>>>> ->>>>>> >>>>>> Please note: VOCAL New York was formerly the NYC AIDS Housing Network >>>>>> (NYCAHN) >>>>>> ***Please update your address books with our new emails*** >>>>>> >>>>>> Jeremy Saunders >>>>>> VOCAL New York 917-676-8041 (cell) >>>>>> jeremy@vocal-ny.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>  >>>>>>  >>>>>> >>>>>> website: www.VOCAL-NY.org >>>>>> facebook: www.facebook.com/vocalny >>>>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/vocalnewyork >>>>>> donate online: http://tinyurl.com/nycahndonate >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> < https://lists.mayfirst.org/mailman/listinfo/rttc-nyc>, >>>>>> < mailto:rttc-nyc-request@lists.mayfirst.org?subject=subscribe> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> = = = >>>>>> Check NY Activist Calendar frequently: http://nycal.mayfirst.org >>>>>> >>>>>> ->>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "CUNY Students Unite!" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>> cuny-students-unite@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> cuny-students-unite+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/cuny-students-unite?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com SPAM-LOW: Re: [september17discuss] CRASH Press conf. for NYPD Commish Ray Kelly: tmw Tues 9/27 Monday, September 26, 2011 1:45:55 PM
without it becoming riot porn On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com> wrote: We should get Anna and others who were brutalized by the police to show their wounds and tell their stories. Marisa On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Gary Roland <opesr.nyc@gmail.com> wrote: > I like the idea of making this a show of support for the police officers to > start acting responsibly and non-violently. This could be our contradiction > event, showing that we are not against the police, only against when they > prop up the financiers will. > > However this goes against the statement issued that Commissioner Kelly > should resign. Disrupting the police press conference would obviously > escalate the situation, but a show of support to them "following the law" > and respecting citizens would be a de-escalation with the police, and may be > good for the longevity of the movement. > ~GARY > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:11 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> We can do both-- we should all be in suits, bringing flowers to thank >> them. >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:47 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> revolution! not resolution! >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:47 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Isn't it worth considering going in not with recrimination but rather >>>> with quiet dignity, accepting their acknowledgment that they went overboard, >>>> and pledging to work with them to keep this a peaceful resolution, >>>> emphasizing that working middle class people like police and fire fighters >>>> are part of the 99%. >>>> It will put them in the position of being supportive of the occupation. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> >>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>> Conor, Great idea! >>>>> >>>>> 2011/9/26 Conor Toms Reed <conortomasreed@gmail.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hey, folks. It looks like the NYPD's trying to do a quick PR clean-up. >>>>>> Should we bring some folks from Liberty Plaza to chant "SHAME" for the >>>>>> NYPD's recent brutalities on Thursday night for the Troy Davis and Saturday >>>>>> for the Occupy Wall Street march? The celebratory language of the press >>>>>> release is strange, given that one of the speakers, Jumaane Williams, was >>>>>> illegally arrested at the West Indian Day parade (walking while Black). >>>>>> >>>>>> what do y'all think? >>>>>> -Conor >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------->>>>>> From: todd eaton <toddeaton@optonline.net> >>>>>> Date: Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:08 AM >>>>>> Subject: Press conf. for NYPD Commish Ray Kelly: tmw Tues 9/27 >>>>>> To: cuny-students-unite@googlegroups.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Press conference to applaud NYC's & NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly's >>>>>> announced intention that his forces may begin to comply with rule of >>>>>> law...following City for a decade and counting having centered its public >>>>>> safety efforts around making many tens of thousands of plainly illegal race >>>>>> arrests, in a coordinated campaign that was apparently specifically designed >>>>>> to compel Black and Latino youth to move away. >>>>>> >>>>>> Call for the passage of New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 >>>>>> (Grisanti) and City Council Resolution 0986-2011 (Mark-Viverito) >>>>>> Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm at 1 Police Plaza >>>>>> >>>>>> TRANSIT: #4,5,6 train to Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, J train to >>>>>> Chambers street; R, but never N, to City Hall (Broadway & Warren); A, C to >>>>>> Chambers (at Church St.); #1, 2, 3 to Chambers (at W. Broadway); E to WTC; >>>>>> Police Plz is just east of the 1 Centre St. Municipal Bldg., equivalent of >>>>>> Chambers St.; MAP: <http://ow.ly/5or1N > >>>>>> >>>>>> ["I'll believe it when it's in my hot little hand." - Anon.] >>>>>> = = = >>>>>> >>>>>> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 09:44:17 -0400 >>>>>> From: "Jeremy Saunders, VOCAL-NY" <jeremy@vocal-ny.org> >>>>>> Subject: [Rttc-nyc] Big Victory for NYPD Accountability! >>>>>>
>>>>>> In response to mounting pressure, NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly told >>>>>> police officers last week to follow the law and stop making costly and >>>>>> racially biased marijuana arrests, now the number one arrest in New York >>>>>> City. This could translate into tens of thousands of fewer arrests among >>>>>> Black and Latino youth each year. >>>>>> >>>>>> VOCAL-NY led the grassroots effort to end these arrests in >>>>>> collaboration with our allies at the Drug Policy Alliance (DPA) and the >>>>>> Institute for Juvenile Justice Reform and Alternatives (IJJRA). >>>>>> >>>>>> Although marijuana use is higher among whites, 86% of those arrested >>>>>> for marijuana possession last year were Black and Latino youth. The NYPD's >>>>>> aggressive use of stop-and-frisks in communities of color, along with >>>>>> unconstitutional searches that often follow, have largely driven these >>>>>> arrests. Being arrested can mean more than a night in jail too. It can make >>>>>> it difficult for people to find housing, get a job, take care of their >>>>>> family and apply for tuition assistance. >>>>>> >>>>>> Please join us this Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm >>>>>> to celebrate this important victory and call for effective >>>>>> implementation. >>>>>> >>>>>> What: Press conference applauding NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly's policy >>>>>> shift to enforce existing marijuana possession laws and to call for the >>>>>> passage of New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti) and City >>>>>> Council Resolution 0986-2011 (Mark-Viverito) >>>>>> >>>>>> When: Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm >>>>>> >>>>>> Where: 1 Police Plaza; 4,5,6 train to Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, J >>>>>> train to Chambers street; [or R, but never N, to City Hall (Broadway & >>>>>> Warren); A, C to Chambers (at Church St.); #1, 2, 3 to Chambers (at W. >>>>>> Broadway); E to WTC; Police Plz is just east of the 1 Centre St. Municipal >>>>>> Bldg., equivalent of Chambers St.; map: <http://ow.ly/5or1N > -t.] >>>>>> >>>>>> Who: Drug Policy Alliance, IJJRA, VOCAL-NY, New York Assembly Member >>>>>> Hakeem Jeffries, NYC Council Members Melissa Mark-Viverito and Jumaane D. >>>>>> Williams, advocates, and others >>>>>> >>>>>> BACKGROUND: >>>>>> On Monday, September 19th, responding to mounting public pressure from >>>>>> advocates and elected officials, NYPD police commissioner Ray Kelly issued >>>>>> an operations order that clarified existing marijuana possession laws,
>>>>>> instructing officers not to arrest people for marijuana in public view when >>>>>> complying with an officer's demand to "empty their pockets". This change >>>>>> could lead to the reduction of tens of thousands of arrests in New York >>>>>> City. >>>>>> >>>>>> Nearly all of these arrests have been made in defiance of the law. >>>>>> Marijuana has been decriminalized since 1977, making possession of 25 grams >>>>>> or less of marijuana a violation, punishable by a $100 fine, not arrest and >>>>>> jail. However, possessing or burning marijuana in public view is a criminal >>>>>> offense punishable by arrest and jail. >>>>>> >>>>>> Since 1996, the NYPD has made over 535,000 arrests for possession of >>>>>> small amounts of marijuana. In 2010 alone, 50,383 people were arrested for >>>>>> simple marijuana possession, comprising nearly 15% of all arrests and making >>>>>> it the number one arrest in the city. Most of these arrests were not for >>>>>> smoking in public, but were the result of complying with an officer's demand >>>>>> to disclose contraband or from a police search and being improperly charged >>>>>> for "marijuana in public view" instead of the non-criminal violation >>>>>> offense. >>>>>> >>>>>> Join the VOCAL-NY, Drug Policy Alliance and IJJRA, together with >>>>>> elected officials, to applaud the Police Commissioner for his policy change, >>>>>> and to urge cooperation to ensure that officers follow this directive. This >>>>>> operations order can be made permanent, and apply to all of New York state, >>>>>> by passing New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti). The NYC City >>>>>> Council has introduced a resolution (0986-2011/Mark-Viverito) >>>>>> supporting the passage of this legislation. >>>>>> ->>>>>> >>>>>> Please note: VOCAL New York was formerly the NYC AIDS Housing Network >>>>>> (NYCAHN) >>>>>> ***Please update your address books with our new emails*** >>>>>> >>>>>> Jeremy Saunders >>>>>> VOCAL New York 917-676-8041 (cell) >>>>>> jeremy@vocal-ny.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 
>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > >
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jon Good september17@googlegroups.com SPAM-LOW: Re: [september17discuss] CRASH Press conf. for NYPD Commish Ray Kelly: tmw Tues 9/27 Monday, September 26, 2011 1:48:07 PM
Yes to dignity. We are not going to gain or maintain the respect of very many people by acting disrespectably. Remember it's the people who are giving the cops their orders and telling them their jobs depend on crushing us who are our enemies, not the cops on the ground (the white-shirted cops who assaulted those kids yesterday were the commanders, not the regular troops). On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:33 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: agreed- we need to get clashes with the police out of the headlines and ideas for change and the future back in On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Gary Roland <opesr.nyc@gmail.com> wrote: I like the idea of making this a show of support for the police officers to start acting responsibly and non-violently. This could be our contradiction event, showing that we are not against the police, only against when they prop up the financiers will. However this goes against the statement issued that Commissioner Kelly should resign. Disrupting the police press conference would obviously escalate the situation, but a show of support to them "following the law" and respecting citizens would be a de-escalation with the police, and may be good for the longevity of the movement. ~GARY On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 1:11 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: We can do both-- we should all be in suits, bringing flowers to thank them.
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:47 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: revolution! not resolution! On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:47 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: Isn't it worth considering going in not with recrimination but rather with quiet dignity, accepting their acknowledgment that they went overboard, and pledging to work with them to keep this a peaceful resolution, emphasizing that working middle class people like police and fire fighters are part of the 99%. It will put them in the position of being supportive of the occupation.
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Amin Husain <amin.husain@gmail.com> wrote: Conor, Great idea! 2011/9/26 Conor Toms Reed <conortomasreed@gmail.com> Hey, folks. It looks like the NYPD's trying to do a quick PR clean-up. Should we bring some folks from Liberty Plaza to chant "SHAME" for the NYPD's recent brutalities on Thursday night for the Troy Davis and Saturday for the Occupy Wall Street march? The celebratory language of the press release is strange, given that one of the speakers, Jumaane Williams, was illegally arrested at the West Indian Day parade (walking while Black). what do y'all think? -Conor ---------- Forwarded message ---------From: todd eaton <toddeaton@optonline.net> Date: Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:08 AM Subject: Press conf. for NYPD Commish Ray Kelly: tmw Tues 9/27 To: cuny-students-unite@googlegroups.com Press conference to applaud NYC's & NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly's announced intention that his forces may begin to comply with rule of law...following City for a decade and counting having centered its public safety efforts around making many tens of thousands of plainly illegal race arrests, in a coordinated campaign that was apparently specifically designed to compel Black and Latino youth to move away. Call for the passage of New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti) and City Council Resolution 0986-2011 (Mark-Viverito) Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm at 1 Police Plaza TRANSIT: #4,5,6 train to Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, J train to Chambers street; R, but never N, to City Hall (Broadway & Warren); A, C to Chambers (at Church St.); #1, 2, 3 to Chambers (at W. Broadway); E to WTC; Police Plz is just east of the 1 Centre St. Municipal Bldg., equivalent of Chambers St.; MAP: <http://ow.ly/5or1N > ["I'll believe it when it's in my hot little hand." - Anon.] = = = Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 09:44:17 -0400 From: "Jeremy Saunders, VOCAL-NY" <jeremy@vocal-ny.org> Subject: [Rttc-nyc] Big Victory for NYPD Accountability! In response to mounting pressure, NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly told police officers last week to follow the law and stop making costly and racially biased marijuana arrests, now the number one arrest in New
York City. This could translate into tens of thousands of fewer arrests among Black and Latino youth each year. VOCAL-NY led the grassroots effort to end these arrests in collaboration with our allies at the Drug Policy Alliance (DPA) and the Institute for Juvenile Justice Reform and Alternatives (IJJRA). Although marijuana use is higher among whites, 86% of those arrested for marijuana possession last year were Black and Latino youth. The NYPD's aggressive use of stop-and-frisks in communities of color, along with unconstitutional searches that often follow, have largely driven these arrests. Being arrested can mean more than a night in jail too. It can make it difficult for people to find housing, get a job, take care of their family and apply for tuition assistance. Please join us this Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm to celebrate this important victory and call for effective implementation. What: Press conference applauding NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly's policy shift to enforce existing marijuana possession laws and to call for the passage of New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti) and City Council Resolution 0986-2011 (Mark-Viverito) When: Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm Where: 1 Police Plaza; 4,5,6 train to Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, J train to Chambers street; [or R, but never N, to City Hall (Broadway & Warren); A, C to Chambers (at Church St.); #1, 2, 3 to Chambers (at W. Broadway); E to WTC; Police Plz is just east of the 1 Centre St. Municipal Bldg., equivalent of Chambers St.; map: <http://ow.ly/5or1N > -t.] Who: Drug Policy Alliance, IJJRA, VOCAL-NY, New York Assembly Member Hakeem Jeffries, NYC Council Members Melissa Mark-Viverito and Jumaane D. Williams, advocates, and others BACKGROUND: On Monday, September 19th, responding to mounting public pressure from advocates and elected officials, NYPD police commissioner Ray Kelly issued an operations order that clarified existing marijuana possession laws, instructing officers not to arrest people for marijuana in public view when complying with an officer's demand to "empty their pockets". This change could lead to the reduction of tens of thousands of arrests in New York City. Nearly all of these arrests have been made in defiance of the law. Marijuana has been decriminalized since 1977, making possession of 25 grams or less of marijuana a violation, punishable by a $100 fine, not arrest and jail. However, possessing or burning marijuana in public view is a criminal offense punishable by arrest and jail.
Since 1996, the NYPD has made over 535,000 arrests for possession of small amounts of marijuana. In 2010 alone, 50,383 people were arrested for simple marijuana possession, comprising nearly 15% of all arrests and making it the number one arrest in the city. Most of these arrests were not for smoking in public, but were the result of complying with an officer's demand to disclose contraband or from a police search and being improperly charged for "marijuana in public view" instead of the non-criminal violation offense. Join the VOCAL-NY, Drug Policy Alliance and IJJRA, together with elected officials, to applaud the Police Commissioner for his policy change, and to urge cooperation to ensure that officers follow this directive. This operations order can be made permanent, and apply to all of New York state, by passing New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti). The NYC City Council has introduced a resolution (09862011/Mark-Viverito) supporting the passage of this legislation. -Please note: VOCAL New York was formerly the NYC AIDS Housing Network (NYCAHN) ***Please update your address books with our new emails*** Jeremy Saunders VOCAL New York 917-676-8041 (cell) jeremy@vocal-ny.org   website: www.VOCAL-NY.org facebook: www.facebook.com/vocalny twitter: http://twitter.com/vocalnewyork donate online: http://tinyurl.com/nycahndonate
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com SPAM-LOW: Re: [september17discuss] CRASH Press conf. for NYPD Commish Ray Kelly: tmw Tues 9/27 Monday, September 26, 2011 10:30:10 AM
I am putting out a call for suits for you. On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:29 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Yes-- but all involved must be in suits. 2011/9/26 Conor Toms Reed <conortomasreed@gmail.com> Hey, folks. It looks like the NYPD's trying to do a quick PR clean-up. Should we bring some folks from Liberty Plaza to chant "SHAME" for the NYPD's recent brutalities on Thursday night for the Troy Davis and Saturday for the Occupy Wall Street march? The celebratory language of the press release is strange, given that one of the speakers, Jumaane Williams, was illegally arrested at the West Indian Day parade (walking while Black). what do y'all think? -Conor ---------- Forwarded message ---------From: todd eaton <toddeaton@optonline.net> Date: Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:08 AM Subject: Press conf. for NYPD Commish Ray Kelly: tmw Tues 9/27 To: cuny-students-unite@googlegroups.com Press conference to applaud NYC's & NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly's announced intention that his forces may begin to comply with rule of law...following City for a decade and counting having centered its public safety efforts around making many tens of thousands of plainly illegal race arrests, in a coordinated campaign that was apparently specifically designed to compel Black and Latino youth to move away. Call for the passage of New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti) and City Council Resolution 0986-2011 (Mark-Viverito) Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm at 1 Police Plaza TRANSIT: #4,5,6 train to Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, J train to Chambers street; R, but never N, to City Hall (Broadway & Warren); A, C to Chambers (at Church St.); #1, 2, 3 to Chambers (at W. Broadway); E to WTC; Police Plz is just east of the 1 Centre St. Municipal Bldg., equivalent of Chambers St.; MAP: <http://ow.ly/5or1N > ["I'll believe it when it's in my hot little hand." - Anon.] = = = Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 09:44:17 -0400 From: "Jeremy Saunders, VOCAL-NY" <jeremy@vocal-ny.org> Subject: [Rttc-nyc] Big Victory for NYPD Accountability!
In response to mounting pressure, NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly told police officers last week to follow the law and stop making costly and racially biased marijuana arrests, now the number one arrest in New York City. This could translate into tens of thousands of fewer arrests among Black and Latino youth each year. VOCAL-NY led the grassroots effort to end these arrests in collaboration with our allies at the Drug Policy Alliance (DPA) and the Institute for Juvenile Justice Reform and Alternatives (IJJRA). Although marijuana use is higher among whites, 86% of those arrested for marijuana possession last year were Black and Latino youth. The NYPD's aggressive use of stop-and-frisks in communities of color, along with unconstitutional searches that often follow, have largely driven these arrests. Being arrested can mean more than a night in jail too. It can make it difficult for people to find housing, get a job, take care of their family and apply for tuition assistance. Please join us this Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm to celebrate this important victory and call for effective implementation. What: Press conference applauding NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly's policy shift to enforce existing marijuana possession laws and to call for the passage of New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti) and City Council Resolution 09862011 (Mark-Viverito) When: Tuesday, September 27 at 1:30pm Where: 1 Police Plaza; 4,5,6 train to Brooklyn Bridge/City Hall, J train to Chambers street; [or R, but never N, to City Hall (Broadway & Warren); A, C to Chambers (at Church St.); #1, 2, 3 to Chambers (at W. Broadway); E to WTC; Police Plz is just east of the 1 Centre St. Municipal Bldg., equivalent of Chambers St.; map: <http://ow.ly/5or1N > -t.] Who: Drug Policy Alliance, IJJRA, VOCAL-NY, New York Assembly Member Hakeem Jeffries, NYC Council Members Melissa Mark-Viverito and Jumaane D. Williams, advocates, and others BACKGROUND: On Monday, September 19th, responding to mounting public pressure from advocates and elected officials, NYPD police commissioner Ray Kelly issued an operations order that clarified existing marijuana possession laws, instructing officers not to arrest people for marijuana in public view when complying with an officer's demand to "empty their pockets". This change could lead to the reduction of tens of thousands of arrests in New York City. Nearly all of these arrests have been made in defiance of the law. Marijuana has been decriminalized since 1977, making possession of 25 grams or less of marijuana a violation, punishable by a $100 fine, not arrest and jail. However, possessing or burning marijuana in public view is a criminal offense punishable by arrest and jail. Since 1996, the NYPD has made over 535,000 arrests for possession of small
amounts of marijuana. In 2010 alone, 50,383 people were arrested for simple marijuana possession, comprising nearly 15% of all arrests and making it the number one arrest in the city. Most of these arrests were not for smoking in public, but were the result of complying with an officer's demand to disclose contraband or from a police search and being improperly charged for "marijuana in public view" instead of the non-criminal violation offense. Join the VOCAL-NY, Drug Policy Alliance and IJJRA, together with elected officials, to applaud the Police Commissioner for his policy change, and to urge cooperation to ensure that officers follow this directive. This operations order can be made permanent, and apply to all of New York state, by passing New York bill A.7620 (Jeffries)/S.5187 (Grisanti). The NYC City Council has introduced a resolution (0986-2011/Mark-Viverito) supporting the passage of this legislation. -Please note: VOCAL New York was formerly the NYC AIDS Housing Network (NYCAHN) ***Please update your address books with our new emails*** Jeremy Saunders VOCAL New York 917-676-8041 (cell) jeremy@vocal-ny.org   website: www.VOCAL-NY.org facebook: www.facebook.com/vocalny twitter: http://twitter.com/vocalnewyork donate online: http://tinyurl.com/nycahndonate
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Snafu september17@googlegroups.com Jon Good SPAM-LOW: Re: [september17discuss] Demands Discussion Monday, September 26, 2011 11:17:16 AM
Hi Jon, thank you for taking care of this I am pasting my most recent draft below. Unfortunately I cannot attend as I am a father of a baby born on Sept 17 who needs a lot of care. I have attended several prep meetings in August so several people know me.
- Housing is a human right. Halt all foreclosures due to predatory lending and unpaid medical bills. - Stop gambling people's savings on Wall Street. Reinstate the 1933 Glass-Steagall Act that separates investment banking from commercial banking. - Tax all financial transactions as we tax all salable goods through. Introduce a Robin Hood Tax on all financial transactions now. - Pair the taxes on long-term capital gains to the income tax. Repeal the Tax Reconciliation Act now. - Corporations are not and will never be people. End corporate personhood under the 14th Amendment. - Ban all corporate funding to political candidates. Enable each taxpayer and citizen to donate the same amount of money to a candidate or party of his or her choice. - Radical reform of the electoral system. Enable new political formations to compete on an equal foot with the two major parties.
On 9/26/11 10:44 AM, Jon Good wrote: I'd like to print my formulation out on papers to be distributed to the GA. Please send me other formulations and I'll print them out too. Unless folks specifically want their names tied in with their proposals, I'll give them all numbers or letters or something so that the content is not influenced by the people putting it forward. Solidarity, Jon

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