@stefras @davidwees #mathchat NOW! Topic: What does 'authentic' mean in a mathematics class? (Unless ... ?

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Fri Nov 04 00:01:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132246036075905024 - #1

@mathfour Is it now? #mathchat

Fri Nov 04 00:04:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132246803088277505 - #3

@stefras @mathfour ? ! Colin said it was, but ... @ColinTGraham #mathchat

Fri Nov 04 00:05:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132246931849228290 - #4

@ColinTGraham Hello everyone, yes it's the new #mathchat time for some... ; I had ;-) connection problems so I'm a bit late.
Fri Nov 04 00:05:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132247000069582848 - #5

@Peter_Price G'day from Australia! It's awfully quiet in #mathchat today

Fri Nov 04 00:05:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132247049675620352 - #6

@stefras @mathfour @davidwees And th there is our answer. #mathchat

Fri Nov 04 00:05:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132247096739893248 - #7

@stefras @ColinTGraham @davidwees #mathchat @malynmawby @Peter_Price Hi Colin, David, Bon and Peter. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:06:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132247230588518400 - #8

@dweksler I'm just glad that I have electricity (and Net access) after 5 days cooking by candlelight! #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:06:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132247229770629120 - #9

@ColinTGraham Daylight savings always messes with schedules ; #mathchat ;-)

Fri Nov 04 00:06:15 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132247249324474368 - #10

@stefras @dweksler Power outage? #mathchat

Fri Nov 04 00:06:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132247302508261377 - #11

@teachdig @ColinTGraham Esp since the world can't get it together to all change at the same time! #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:06:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132247389229690880 - #12

@Peter_Price So, "What does 'authentic' mean in a mathematics class?" #mathchat Good topic!
Fri Nov 04 00:06:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132247403230265344 - #13

@stefras Here, here UK! RT @teachdig: @ColinTGraham Esp since the world can't get it @teachdig: together to all change at the same time! #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:07:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132247478379610115 - #14

Friday, 4th November 2011

What does 'authentic' mean in a mathematics class?

@ColinTGraham @Peter_Price G'day Peter @stefras @mathfour @davidwees Hi to the N American contingent! #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:07:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132247512668045312 - #16

@Peter_Price I use the word 'authentic' a lot to describe to my preservice teacher students 'good math teaching'. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:08:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132247741333114880 - #17

@ColinTGraham Topic, chosen by me because the poll didn't work properly last week : :-/ is "What does 'authentic' mean in a mathemat class?" #mathchat mathematics
Fri Nov 04 00:08:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132247803375255553 - #18

@dborkovitz Hi #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:08:30 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132247813236068352 - #19

@dweksler US goes back to "authentic" time this coming Sunday #mathchat

Fri Nov 04 00:08:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132247847092502529 - #20

@Peter_Price I guess I mean 'as in, real people do math like this, for real purposes, not in a math class' #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:08:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132247896631410688 - #21

@ColinTGraham @teachdig Hi Dvora @dborkovitz Hi Debra #mathchat

Fri Nov 04 00:09:08 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132247973634650113 - #22

@stefras I think authentic refers to math which students have to think about and work on rather than just do. It explores math. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:09:08 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132247972598644737 - #23

@dborkovitz authentic = not stupid #mathchat

Fri Nov 04 00:09:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132247992974577665 - #24

@teachdig How does everyone define "authentic"? #mathchat

Fri Nov 04 00:09:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132248157387104 132248157387104256 - #25

@ColinTGraham @Peter_Price Ah... big confusion... some things are 'authentic' to a classroom environment but not ne necessarily 'real world' #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:10:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132248201649590272 - #26

@Peter_Price Welcome, Debra @dborkovitz , to #mathchat!

Fri Nov 04 00:10:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132248198222856192 - #27

@stefras @Peter_Price That is a good definition of authentic re real people do math this way. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:10:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132248266040549377 - #28

Friday, 4th November 2011

What does 'authentic' mean in a mathematics class?

@dweksler I hope we don't get stuck in a semantic puddle of deciding what "authentic" on't means - just saying :-) #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:10:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132248367618199552 - #29

@ColinTGraham except it doesn't add the #mathchat RT @dborkovitz: @Coli @ColinTGraham Hi Colin, boy this is easier w/tweetdeck, didn't know about that last week
Fri Nov 04 00:10:46 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132248385448194048 - #30

@Peter_Price authentic = not routine, not pointless, not merely exercises to practise a skill #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:11:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132248469065 132248469065834496 - #31

@stefras @dweksler Such a discussion would indeed be too authentic. #mathchat

Fri Nov 04 00:11:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132248494256816129 - #32

@padgets #mathchat hey there! stopping in to say hi grading labs

Fri Nov 04 00:11:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132248519129047041 - #33

@dborkovitz @ColinTGraham oops, will be more careful about #mathchat

Fri Nov 04 00:11:24 +0000 2011 - tweet id 13224854462201 132248544622018560 - #34

@dweksler @Peter_Price That works for me. Thanks, Peter #mathchat

Fri Nov 04 00:11:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132248608325115904 - #35

@ColinTGraham @dweksler I hope we do, at least to separate a distinction between real for classroom and real for life and real for mathematics! #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:11:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132248619175784449 - #36

@teachdig Trying to chat with #artsint and #mathchat at the same time is a big challenge. Thankful for Tweetdeck!
Fri Nov 04 00:12:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132248712725544964 - #37

@stefras @padgets And helping decide what authentic means, I hope? #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:12:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132248722175307776 - #38

@dborkovitz @Peter_Price I like that def'n too. So why is so inauthentic so popular in math class? #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:12:36 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132248845684969472 - #39

@padgets @stefras #mathchat yep!

Fri Nov 04 00:12:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132248876085284864 - #40

@mathfour I'm in #LasVegas still - at #DevLearn - enjoying the chat from my hotel room. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:13:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132248993056038913 - #41

Friday, 4th November 2011

What does 'authentic' mean in a mathematics class?

@stefras @dborkovitz "Inauthentic" is easier to grade? #mathchat

Fri Nov 04 00:13:14 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132249003478884352 - #42

@Peter_Price @colintgraham I take your point, Colin - there are good reasons for doing some 'real' math in the classroom maybe not 'real life' #mathchat al'
Fri Nov 04 00:13:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132249026853732353 - #43

@mathfour Curious topic: "What does 'authentic' mean in a mathematics class?" #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:13:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132249048961912832 - #44

@dweksler Big push in US classrooms to address what is on important tests and increasingly to adhere to a "core curriculum" #mathchat easingly
Fri Nov 04 00:13:45 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132249136769675265 - #45

@stefras @mathfour You can learn a lot about miney and math in Las Vegas! :) #LasVegas #DevLearn #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:13:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132249146060046336 - #46

@teachdig @dborkovitz I think it also takes less time and since curric is so wide and not deep. Frustration abounds. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:13:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132249154540937217 - #47

@dborkovitz @stefras well put! #mathchat and to standardize test....

Fri Nov 04 00:13:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132249165337083904 - #48

@mathfour @teachdig What's #artsint? #mathchat

Fri Nov 04 00:14:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132249203752701952 - #49

@ColinTGraham @Peter_Price So are you saying any type of exercise or practise is 'inauthentic'... what about non-mathematical subjects eg sports #mathchat mathematical
Fri Nov 04 00:14:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132249250653421568 - #50

@padgets #mathchat we just got done doing Newton's laws lots of math and then we did a Seatbelt lab poor eggs!
Fri Nov 04 00:14:14 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132249257905369088 - #51

@teachdig @mathfour Arts Integration! #artsint #mathchat

Fri Nov 04 00:14:15 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132249261923508224 - #52

@mathfour @stefras Like this: http://t.co/jiziYLLb #mathchat

Fri Nov 04 00:14:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132249363178196992 - #53

@dborkovitz @teachdig yes less time, except that you do things over and over every time, year because there's so much they don't really learn #mathchat
Friday, 4th November 2011 What does 'authentic' mean in a mathematics class?

Fri Nov 04 00:14:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132249400637538304 - #54

@dborkovitz @teachdig yes less time, except that you do things over and over every year because there's so much they don't really learn #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:14:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132249400637538304 - #55

@stefras @mathfour That was supposed to be money. I supposed it could be Minney as well. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:14:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132249401547 132249401547694080 - #56

@mathfour @teachdig Integrating art into what? (math...?) #artsint #mathchat

Fri Nov 04 00:14:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132249439191568384 - #57

@teachdig @mathfour Into any area really. #artsint #mathchat

Fri Nov 04 00:15:36 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132249599074254849 - #58

@ColinTGraham @padgets Interesting... do you think 'authentic' in Science is easier to 'authentic' do than in mathematics only, Sharon? #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:15:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132249635984113664 - #59

@Peter_Price @colintgraham I think practice is vital, but pages of 'practice exercises' don't equal use of math in 'real life' ways #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:15:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132249672269045760 - #60

@teachdig @dborkovitz Totally the problem. Why don't curric ppl listen to teachers on borkovitz this? #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:16:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132249729164787712 - #62

@JoAnnJacobs68 @mathfour I always felt that math and art were meant to be integrated. #artsint #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:16:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132249793689956352 - #63

@padgets @ColinTGraham #mathchat ummm no.....I think they compliment each other
Fri Nov 04 00:16:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132249923147137024 - #64

@susanrileyphoto @mathfour: I've done math lessons using dancing to the Cha Cha slide for angles, interpreting remainders w/ w/drama and more!#mathchat #artsint
Fri Nov 04 00:17:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132249980688809985 - #65

@ColinTGraham @Peter_Price The question then is something necessarily authentic because its used that way in real life? What about group dynamic #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:17:14 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132250013471490050 - #66

@mathfour @JoAnnJacobs68 Indeed. In some universities, the math dept is in the college of Arts & Literature #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:17:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132250059596251138 - #67

Friday, 4th November 2011

What does 'authentic' mean in a mathematics class?

@Peter_Price @colintgraham Are sports practice drills and exercise 'authentic' football, basketball, soccer, ...? Not sure. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:17:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132250094564147200 - #68

@aschordine Here here! RT @JoAnnJacobs68: @mathfour I always felt that math and art were meant to be integrated. #artsint #mathchat #artsint
Fri Nov 04 00:17:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132250109458128896 - #69

@dborkovitz @teachdig baffles me that we're in this testing craze and no talk of retention of information who cares if they forget tomorrow? #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:17:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132250180836794369 - #70

@penpln @peter_price: So, "What does 'authentic' mean in a mathematics class?" #mathchat use live data 4 venn diagrams...
Fri Nov 04 00:17:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 13225020233678 132250202336788481 - #71

@eliza_peterson @mathfour Heres one way I int dance with math - Math Dances video on YouTube http://t.co/5FyvYfjM #mathchat #artsint
Fri Nov 04 00:18:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132 132250202827522049 - #72

@stefras @ColinTGraham I think it is harder to identify in authentic in Science. Would in-authentic that be contrived? #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:18:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132250216270274560 - #73

@NatBanting @mathfour I almost always find this connection contrived...I think doing creative math is artful, but linking to visual art... #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:18:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132250248717406208 - #74

@ColinTGraham @padgets I think mathematics used in Science 'legiti 'legitimizes' the use, or maybe makes it more authentic, but doing Science in maths? #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:18:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132250349733023745 - #75

@dweksler @Peter_Price I think practices for teams can be authentic or also as "inauthentic" - coaching/teaching can make a huge difference #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:18:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132250366992584707 - #76

@mathfour @JoAnnJacobs68 Indeed. In some universities, the math dept is in the college of Arts & Literature #mathchat #artsint
Fri Nov 04 00:18:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132250370704539651 - #77

@JoAnnJacobs68 Patterns are everywhere and you can find them in art & music easily. everywhere We created dances to help remember key concepts #mathchat #artsint
Fri Nov 04 00:18:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132250429382852608 - #78

@eliza_peterson There is also @mathinyourfeet http://t.co/7iAsHDVP Awesome stuff! #mathchat #artsint

Friday, 4th November 2011 What does 'authentic' mean in a mathematics class?

Fri Nov 04 00:18:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132250440338374656 - #79

@teachdig @dborkovitz Me too. I think exploration in a more authentic way l leads to better retention and ability to problem solve in general. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:19:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132250456096378880 - #80

@mathfour Perhaps I need tweetdeck on this one - doing #mathchat and #artsint
Fri Nov 04 00:19:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132250465093173248 - #81

@stefras @teachdig Many curr people are teachers, and of subject areas, at least in Canada. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:19:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132250477608968192 - #82

@ColinTGraham Me too! I call it MATES... RT @JoAnnJacobs68: @mathfour I always felt that math and art were meant to be integrated. #artsint #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:19:15 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132250518704766977 - #83

@dborkovitz @teachdig I have all these college students who passed high stakes tests to grad h.s. and don't understand fractions, algebra etc #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:19:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132250538287960064 - #84

@padgets @ColinTGraham #mathchat my team math teacher is doing science in her math class
Fri Nov 04 00:19:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132250553416814592 - #85

@teachdig @stefras I do like what I see in the Ontario upper level science curriculum. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:19:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132250631636385792 - #86

@mwedwards @teachdig I wonder if there are ways you could get ideas for are for#mathchat and #artsint to work together
Fri Nov 04 00:20:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132250788960542720 - #87

@ColinTGraham @stefras @padgets The challenge comes if the student thinks you're just bringing in art/science to 'do the maths' = inauthentic #mathchat t/science
Fri Nov 04 00:20:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132250802277457921 - #88

@mathfour Okay, how's this gonna work? Following #mathchat #artsint and #lrnchat
Fri Nov 04 00:20:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132250951649202178 - #89

@swilson_wafc @Peter_Price the more we include 'authentic' tasks in all learning areas the less we have make school fun bcoz it is REAL for ss #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:20:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132250953528250368 - #90

@dborkovitz @teachdig yes w/exploration chance to see goal as understanding, not chance passing test, need for next class etc #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:21:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132250982817075201 - #91

Friday, 4th November 2011

What does 'authentic' mean in a mathematics class?

@padgets @mathfour #mathchat #artsint and #Irnchat very carefully :)

Fri Nov 04 00:21:36 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132251109434724352 - #92

@ColinTGraham @dborkovitz @teachdig The big danger is that 'testing' is seen as being an 'authentic' part of being in a class, so it gets time. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:22:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132251232529154048 - #93

@CutTheKnotMath Shoud music and art too? @ColinTGraham @JoAnnJacobs68 oud @mathfour I always felt that math and art were meant to be integrated #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:22:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 1322512965 132251296563609600 - #94

@dborkovitz @ColinTGraham @stefras @padgets lots of geometry stuff that melds authentically w/art #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:22:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132251350405881858 - #95

@padgets @dborkovitz #mathchat oh yes!

Fri Nov 04 00:22:55 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132251442596679680 - #96

@mathfour AND my tummy hurts #mathchat #artsint #devlearn

Fri Nov 04 00:23:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132251472778891265 - #97

@teachdig @mwedwards I think it is totally possible! #mathchat #artsint

Fri Nov 04 00:23:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132251514457690113 - #98

@eliza_peterson I love showing my students Mondrian when we study parallel and perpendicular lines! (forgot #mathchat ) #artsint
Fri Nov 04 00:23:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 13225162548092108 - #99 132251625480921088

@ColinTGraham @Peter_Price I raised the sports analogy, because the drill is part of the training... or improving muscle and so on. #mathchat cle
Fri Nov 04 00:23:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132251631113871360 - #100

@teachdig @ColinTGraham @dborkovitz So true. We have to put some of the testing into our grade too giving it even more weight. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:24:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132251758226452480 - #101

@T_C_P RT @eliza_peterson: I love showing my students Mondrian w when we study parallel and perpendicular lines! (forgot #mathchat ) #artsint
Fri Nov 04 00:24:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132251791130771456 - #102

@mwedwards me too RT @joannjacobs68: @mathfour I always felt that math and art were meant to be integrated. #artsint #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:24:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132251819693969409 - #103

Friday, 4th November 2011

What does 'authentic' mean in a mathematics class?

@dborkovitz @ColinTGraham @teachdig testing can be authentic too.... I give a group oral exam after a process focused unit #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:24:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132251826216124416 - #104

@republicofmath Is anyone using "authentic" in accord with any one of these definitions http://t.co/HBS5Glb5 or are we exploring what we mean? #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:24:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132251891391406080 - #105

@ColinTGraham @Peter_Price If the drills are *not* resulting in an improvement, then If they because useless and, as I see it, inauthentic then #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:24:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132251894109315072 - #106

@dborkovitz @teachdig @ColinTGraham part of the issue is tests that are cheap to grade in time and $$ #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:25:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132251988095279104 - #107

@eliza_peterson Everyone - Please consider joining my newly formed online PLC focused on Arts Integration PLaiC http://t.co/So8Wc64n #artsint #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:25:15 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132252027404292096 - #108

@ColinTGraham @republicofmath We are exploring, Gary, as per the topic question "What does 'authentic' mean in a mathematics class?" #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:25:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132252039882358785 - #109

@MmeVeilleux What is the #mathchat topic? TY

Fri Nov 04 00:25:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132252076200824834 - #110

@earlsamuelson @ColinTGraham Can analyzing graphs of various sinusoidal functions to understand trig identities be considered authentic? #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:25:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132252095125532672 - #111

@Peter_Price @colintgraham Yes, of course. But would a sports player (or fan) think it was 'real sport'? #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:25:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132252095385583617 - #112

@teachdig @dborkovitz @ColinTGraham Sure it can be. I also have lab practicals in science class which are great. Yes longer to grade. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:25:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132252112762576896 - #113

@stefras @mathfour How can you handle all that input? #mathchat #artsint #devlearn
Fri Nov 04 00:25:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132252124561162242 - #114

@Peter_Price @colintgraham I would think 'authentic' in sport is actual co competition #mathchat

Fri Nov 04 00:25:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132252162016296960 - #115

Friday, 4th November 2011

What does 'authentic' mean in a mathematics class?

@mathfour I found a way to follow TWO hashtags on Twitter itself - use the OR operator (must be caps) #mathchat #artsint
Fri Nov 04 00:26:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132252259127013376 - #116

@ColinTGraham @CutTheKnotMath @JoAnnJacobs68 @mathfour I use Art in the "big A" sense to include all artistic endeavours #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:26:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132252330572775424 - #117

@Peter_Price To me 'authentic' in math means doing real math for a reason we care about. Does that include practice? Sometim Sometimes... #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:26:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132252346674724865 - #118

@mathfour @stefras I'm freaking amazing, that's how. :D #mathchat #artsint

Fri Nov 04 00:26:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132252365943341056 - #119

@dweksler @Peter_Price Yes, playing of the game/match/contest is the "authentic assessment" of what has come before - why I like sports. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:26:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132252383882383360 - #120

@padgets #mathchat my inquiry labs or when I do PBL show how kids are authentic yes longer to do and grade but so worth it nger
Fri Nov 04 00:26:46 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132252410855964672 - #121

@dborkovitz @republicofmath wow, obsolete = first def'n? ... that makes conversation cofmath more complicated! #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:26:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132252418988720128 - #122

@angie_seattle RT @mathfour: I found a way to follow TWO hashtags on Twitter itself use the OR operator (must be caps) #mathchat #artsint
Fri Nov 04 00:26:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132252452371173376 - #123

@padgets @mathfour #mathchat yes you are!

Fri Nov 04 00:27:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132252470423470080 - #124

@stefras @republicofmath I think we are exploring the meaning in context to math. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:27:08 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132252503319384064 - #126

@mathfour @MmeVeilleux Topic for #mathchat is something like "what's the maximum Veilleux number of topics you can follow" (jk)
Fri Nov 04 00:27:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132252519622643713 - #127

@penpln http://t.co/GXkYcGWC Fibonacci + nature beautiful #mathchat #mathchat

Fri Nov 04 00:27:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132252545841242112 - #128

Friday, 4th November 2011

What does 'authentic' mean in a mathematics class?

@CutTheKnotMath Is math excluded then? @ColinTGraham @JoAnnJacobs68 @mathfour I use Art in the "big A" sense to include all artistic endeavours #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:27:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132252572370223104 - #129

@ColinTGraham @earlsamuelson If there is a valid context for doing something, then that context authenticates it, in my view... but is it maths? #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:27:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132252601214451713 - #130

@teachdig RT @padgets: #mathchat my inquiry labs or when I do PBL show how kids are authentic yes longer to do and grade but so worth it
Fri Nov 04 00:27:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132252601856176129 - #131

@stefras @MmeVeilleux "What does 'authentic' mean in a mathematics class?" class?"#mathchat

Fri Nov 04 00:28:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132252787550588928 - #132 32252787550588928

@mathfour @MusicMamma164 Hang in there, they are fun. And if you get lost, don't worry. We all do. #mathchat #artsint
Fri Nov 04 00:28:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132252794521530368 - #133

@ColinTGraham @eliza_peterson Perspective drawing is another good example of the interface between the two subjects... #mathchat #artsint
Fri Nov 04 00:28:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132252956132261888 - #134

@republicofmath @dborkovitz No LOL - first meaning is authoritative, which is now obsolete #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:29:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132252979007983616 - #135

@mathfour @republicofmath I think we're making up our own definition #mathchat definition.
Fri Nov 04 00:29:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132252995944595456 - #136

@stefras @earlsamuelson I always thought trig should be visual. Take tan and sec. Few teachers know what these look like, nevermind studnts #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:29:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132253101318094848 - #137

@teachdig RT @ColinTGraham: @eliza_peterson Perspective drawing is another good example of the interface between the two subjects... #mathchat #ar ...
Fri Nov 04 00:29:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132253112885981184 - #138

@ColinTGraham @MmeVeilleux Hi Ingrid, welcome back to #mathchat "What does #mathchat! 'authentic' mean in a mathematics class?" is the topic
Fri Nov 04 00:29:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132253136231477250 - #140

@earlsamuelson @ColinTGraham Anything that helps to makes sense of things is an authentic task, in my opinion #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:29:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132253144796246017 - #141

Friday, 4th November 2011

What does 'authentic' mean in a mathematics class?

@stefras @mathfour OR Boolean #mathchat #artsint

Fri Nov 04 00:30:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132253232641744896 - #142

@penpln art, music, video, pi.. http://t.co/JWpei6hV #mathchat #mathchat

Fri Nov 04 00:30:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132253312908148737 - #143

@ColinTGraham @Peter_Price No, but that is the point... it doesn't have to be 'real' to be 'authentic'... or does it? #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:30:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132253322907353090 - #144

@mathfour @stefras No or about it, you DEFINITELY use the boolean! #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:30:46 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132253417505697792 - #145

@dborkovitz @republicofmath oops.... not the best multitasker, but I like that mistake! #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:30:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132253425718136832 - #146

@stefras @mathfour :) #mathchat

Fri Nov 04 00:31:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132253499311394817 - #148

@ColinTGraham @CutTheKnotMath @JoAnnJacobs68 @mathfour "Is math excluded"... not as far as I'm concerned, Alex! #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:31:14 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132253534463864833 - #149

@earlsamuelson @stefras I'm all about graphing functions and analyzing them to see how they work......systems of simultaneous equations, etc... #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:31:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132253566571253761 - #150

@republicofmath "authentic" - I would probably say anything that isn't inauthentic, which ably is sort of easier to identify. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:31:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132253631641698304 - #151

@MmeVeilleux #mathchat The opposite of authentic is fake. So fake math is not ju just memorizing formulas; real understanding = I can forget the formula...
Fri Nov 04 00:31:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132253651845656576 - #152

@padgets #mathchat #artsint #tichat thank you ALL for such a wonderful chat 3 times over! :) Have a great rest of the week! take care :0)
Fri Nov 04 00:31:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132253686419304448 - #153

@MmeVeilleux #mathchat ... but still figure out the answer.

Fri Nov 04 00:31:55 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132253708158377985 - #154

@stefras @earlsamuelson I meant on the unit circle, but yes the graphs are also important. #mathchat
Friday, 4th November 2011 What does 'authentic' mean in a mathematics class?

Fri Nov 04 00:32:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132253740546797568 - #155

@dweksler RT @MmeVeilleux: #mathchat The opposite of authentic is fake. So fake T math is not just memorizing formulas; real understanding = I can f ...
Fri Nov 04 00:32:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 13 132253739062013952 - #156

@CutTheKnotMath Then why integrate? It's already there. @ColinTGraham @JoAnnJacobs68 @mathfour "Is math excluded"... not as far as I'm concerned math concerned#mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:32:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132253840035688448 - #157

@MmeVeilleux #mathchat I meant to say that fake math = memorizing formulas; real math = I can solve with or without the formula.
Fri Nov 04 00:32:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132253944587108353 - #158

@Peter_Price Maybe 'authentic' in maths class depends on the student. Is 24+65 class 'authentic'? Perhaps it is for some Ss, not for others. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:32:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132253974647681024 - #159

@ColinTGraham @Peter_Price Maybe "'authentic' in sport is actual competition" but is it all about competition? And 'authentic' in sport *cla *class*? #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:33:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132253977524969472 - #160

@dborkovitz @ColinTGraham @Peter_Price "real" tasks can get kind of fake mathematically #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:33:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 13225402251307 132254022513078273 - #161

@stefras @CutTheKnotMath Hmm. Math is really a crossroads or bridge between the sciences and arts. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:33:15 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132254041437773824 - #162

@jeremybabel Authentic math, open ended, often with multiple points of entry, allow for students to make connections to other areas of math #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:33:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132254086547509248 - #163

@dweksler @MmeVeilleux Although sometimes it can be helpful to memorize the form formula - in a pinch? :-) #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:33:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132254114934566913 - #165

@republicofmath @MmeVeilleux Well you can also have fake, phony, contrived tasks in a given context of learning, so inauthentic #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:33:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132254162690908161 - #166

@jeremybabel Not necessarily "real world" to be authenti #mathchat authentic

Fri Nov 04 00:33:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132254200657752064 - #167

@JohnAllenPaulos Wittgenstein once said he looked forward to the day when philosophy becomes an adverb & not a noun. Maybe mathematics too? #mathchat
Friday, 4th November 2011 What does 'authentic' mean in a mathematics class?

Fri Nov 04 00:34:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132254254005100544 - #168

@MmeVeilleux #mathchat @Peter_Price I agree with that!

Fri Nov 04 00:34:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132254394078076928 - #169

@republicofmath @ColinTGraham @PeterPrice Well Aikido is authentic martial art but it's not competitive #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:34:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132254458645184512 - #170

@teachdig Teaching proportional thinking... so many ways to solve. Is it not authentic to expose Ss to different ways & let them choose.? #mathchat et
Fri Nov 04 00:34:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132254464282345475 - #171

@earlsamuelson @stefras The unit circle is nice to get started but studying the graphs of the functions themselves enables much more, I believe #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:34:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132254478022868993 - #172

@Peter_Price @mmeveilleux But if I *have* memorized a formula, and then put it to use, memorized that would be 'authentic', no? #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:35:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132254596235137024 - #173

@ColinTGraham @dborkovitz @Peter_Price And mathematical tasks can equally be "fake real"... but maybe not inauthentic mathematically... #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:35:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132254614350344195 - #174

@dweksler @JohnAllenPaulos Wow, Wittgenstein! - welcome to #mathchat Mr. Paulos

Fri Nov 04 00:35:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132254635875512320 - #176

@mathfour This is going to make me feel better! #mathchat #devlearn #roomservice http://t.co/AeZhKP95
Fri Nov 04 00:35:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 13 132254699641503744 - #177

@MmeVeilleux #mathchat I'm not anti-formula after one has understood and needs an formula efficient system. @dweksler
Fri Nov 04 00:35:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132254700421656576 - #178

@stefras @earlsamuelson Agreed. My point was that few people know what a sec and tan look like on a unit circle (or actually off it). #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:35:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132254704192323584 - #179

@CutTheKnotMath @stefras Math is really a crossroads ... Like any art, ma requires math talent, ingenuity, taste, hard work; includes beauty ... #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:36:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132254746252820480 - #180

@jeremybabel In recent observation, students worked with pattern blocks, extended the patterns. Not real world but authentic #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:36:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132254830877093889 - #181

Friday, 4th November 2011

What does 'authentic' mean in a mathematics class?

@stefras @CutTheKnotMath :) And craft. #mathchat tTheKnotMath

Fri Nov 04 00:36:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132254843459997696 - #182

@republicofmath @JohnAllenPaulos Stephen King in On Writing said we should kill our adverbs. #mathchat #ismathanadadverb
Fri Nov 04 00:36:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132254848279248898 - #183

@Peter_Price fake math = continuing to practice skills with no context once the skill is securely learned and ready to be applied ?? #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:36:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132254851760537600 - #184

@earlsamuelson Agree RT @stefras Agreed. My point was that few people know what a sec and tan look like on a unit circle (or actually off it). #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:36:30 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132254861084459009 - #185

@Peter_Price Good one! RT @stefras: @CutTheKnotMath Hmm. Math is really a crossroads or bridge between the sciences and arts. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:36:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132254962485952512 - #186

@CutTheKnotMath @stefras :) and craft ~ Absolutely, like any art #mathchat @stefras
Fri Nov 04 00:37:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132255059722514432 - #187

@ColinTGraham @earlsamuelson Do you see this "making sense of things" as the process of validating or exploring 'truths' then, Earl? #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:37:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132255092442284032 - #188

@stefras @earlsamuelson I do believe students need to know that now. It is part of the believe curriculum, or at least that's how I read it. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:37:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132255093465694208 - #189

@MmeVeilleux #mathchat I guess I'm coming from the pt-of-view of working w/kids who R view trying to apply formula & make errors which are unreasonable.
Fri Nov 04 00:37:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132255104295383041 - #190

@dborkovitz Authentic can mean students care about answer, e.g. emails that take their b day, mult, add, etc and end up w/age and chocolate #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:37:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132255168522756096 - #191

@republicofmath Very authentic @CutTheKnotMath Math is really crossroads. Like any really art, math requires talent, ingenuity, taste, hard work; beauty #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:37:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132255205021581312 - #192

@jeremybabel @republicofmath @CutTheKnotMath why taste? #mathchat

Fri Nov 04 00:38:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132255341420351488 - #193

Friday, 4th November 2011

What does 'authentic' mean in a mathematics class?

@dborkovitz Students love those, and I've had adults tell me they would have understood algebra if it's been taught that way #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:38:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132255361083256832 - #194

@ColinTGraham @CutTheKnotMath @JoAnnJacobs68 @mathfour It should probably be rephrased as "re-integrate" or "(re)focus on"... #mathchat integrate"
Fri Nov 04 00:38:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132255394356666368 - #195

@stefras @Peter_Price So authentic depends on who is involved. SO authentic = solving Price (problem), finding pattern, learning vs just doing #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:39:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 13225553618 132255536182853632 - #196

@cristinaluminea I think authentic allows Ss to discover maths the way it has first been discovered... discover the rules rather than being taught #mathchat r
Fri Nov 04 00:39:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132255576750161920 - #197

@Peter_Price Great example, @jeremybabel ! Extending pattern: Not real world but authentic #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:39:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132255628356890624 - #198

@mathfour Seems anchovies in #LasVegas are different than in #Texas #DevLearn (and still thinking and watching #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:39:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132255702264709120 - #200

@earlsamuelson Yes, I do RT @ColinTGraham Do you see this "making sense of things" as the process of validating or exploring 'truths' then, Earl? #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:39:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132255716667965440 - #201

@stefras @Peter_Price Do we then outgrow what is authentic before as w mature in our we mathematical thinking? #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:39:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132255714101043200 - #202

@dborkovitz @ColinTGraham @Peter_Price yes, both real world, inauthentic math; fake real world, authentic math #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:40:14 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132255799136370688 - #203

@cristinaluminea Authentic maths allows students to understand rather than replicate understand #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:40:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132255816601440256 - #204

@CutTheKnotMath That's good: (Re ) @ColinTGraham @JoAnnJacobs68 @mathfour It (Re-) should probably be rephrased as "re "re-integrate" or "(re)focus on"...#mathchat #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:40:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132255815682891776 - #205

@ColinTGraham @cristinaluminea That would work if students are prepared to discover... That many have expectations they should be taught the rules #mathchat
Friday, 4th November 2011 What does 'authentic' mean in a mathematics class?

Fri Nov 04 00:40:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132255831977762816 - #206

@MmeVeilleux RT @cristinaluminea: Authentic maths allows students to understand rather than replicate #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:40:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132255949414076416 - #207

@dborkovitz @ColinTGraham @cristinaluminea where do they get those expectations? #mathchat

Fri Nov 04 00:40:55 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132255969886474240 - #208

@jeremybabel @ColinTGraham @cristinaluminea but that expectation can be broken over time #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:40:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132255974546358272 - #209

@emwdx #mathchat If we do succeed in posing mathematics as an art, then students WILL see it is appropriate to explore, create, and make mistakes.
Fri Nov 04 00:41:24 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132256092880248833 - #211

@Peter_Price Yes! RT @cristinaluminea: authentic allows Ss to discover maths ... discover the rules rather than being taught #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:41:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132256114057285634 - #212

@stefras @teachdig There are big complaints about teaching students multiple ways lately. Too confusing. Those who knew get lost. Hmm. :( #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:41:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132256171275980800 - #214

@MmeVeilleux RT @emwdx: #mathchat If we do succeed in posing mathematics as an art, then students WILL see it is appropriate to explore, create, and ...
Fri Nov 04 00:41:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132256225437024257 - #215

@Peter_Price I agree, Shaun! RT @stefras: @Peter_Price SO authentic = solving (problem), finding pattern, learning vs just doing #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:42:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132256281783304194 - #216

@cristinaluminea @ColinTGraham I think the structure of the school is setting those expectations for them... kids start learning through failure #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:42:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132256338712600576 - #217

@ColinTGraham Do we all agree that 'authentic' in class does not exactly correspond to 'real life', when the real life is outside the classroom? #mathchat real
Fri Nov 04 00:42:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132256367179337728 - #218

@jeremybabel @stefras @teachdig but if different kids solve differently that should be recognized and even highlighted as a good thing #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:42:45 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132256432857952256 - #219

Friday, 4th November 2011

What does 'authentic' mean in a mathematics class?

@stefras @republicofmath And we should kill our adjectives. #mathchat blicofmath #ismathanadadverb
Fri Nov 04 00:42:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132256441494011904 - #220

@emwdx #mathchat Showing it is an art is something we must deliberately do though too many believe it is only a set of steps and nothing more.
Fri Nov 04 00:43:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132256497911599104 - #221

@josecamoessilva @JohnAllenPaulos Isn't that what's happening with analytics taking over management & w/ quantified self trends? #mathchat #ShowMeTheNumbers
Fri Nov 04 00:43:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132256525266862080 - #222

@CutTheKnotMath @jeremybabel @republicofmath why taste? #mathchat Because tastes differ & because aesthetics plays role in good math
Fri Nov 04 00:43:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132256580078014465 - #223

@mathfour @cristinaluminea How about this for letting kids see how we "grow" this math?#mathchat http://t.co/WPUTbcLr via @MathFour
Fri Nov 04 00:43:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 13225 132256579767648256 - #224

@ColinTGraham @jeremybabel @cristinaluminea Oh yes, and I think those of us here on #mathchat are all about reforming students' (and teachers') expectations.
Fri Nov 04 00:43:45 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132256685455716353 - #225

@stefras @jeremybabel True. I think we were discussing authentic as a relative "thing" and as you get more mathy authentic things trivial. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:43:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132256723619692545 - #226

@mathfour @stefras How are we going to describe anything if we don't have adjectives or adverbs? Really. @republicofmath #pardonthepun #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:44:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132256756557553664 - #227

@Peter_Price @stefras Probably, yes. As students grow in knowledge & ability, they students need new 'authentic' challenges. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:44:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132256823863545856 - #228

@cristinaluminea @dborkovitz @ColinTGraham kids start learning by discovering the ways that don't work(failing) this changes when they start school #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:44:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132256858688864256 - #229

@stefras @jeremybabel That is old authentic things. New authentic things are authentic #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:44:30 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132256874677538816 - #230

@earlsamuelson #mathchat @stefras Once students begin to actually SEE how the geometric/algebraic representations change with the conditions given, (cont
Friday, 4th November 2011 What does 'authentic' mean in a mathematics class?

Fri Nov 04 00:44:36 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132256899042250753 - #232

@earlsamuelson cont) things begin to "make sense" to them #mathchat

Fri Nov 04 00:44:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132256895221248001 - #231

@BobToms100 @ColinTGraham Authentic to me is what child produces in a learning experience, hence that is real life as well. #mathchat #spannerintheworks
Fri Nov 04 00:44:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132256950435061760 - #233

@cristinaluminea @mathfour I love that! #mathchat

Fri Nov 04 00:45:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132257019775303680 - #234

@dborkovitz @cristinaluminea @ColinTGraham so partly does authentic = mis mistakes allowed, can be learned from? #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:45:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132257039031353344 - #235

@stefras @mathfour Verbs and nouns. Verbs and nouns. Strong verbs and nouns. Diction. #pardonthepun #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:45:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132257064906014720 - #236

@teacherswhorun @Peter_Price @cristinaluminea But how do we teach them to discover? #mathchat

Fri Nov 04 00:45:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132257131045994497 - #237

@cristinaluminea @dborkovitz @ColinTGraham I strongly believe so #mathchat

Fri Nov 04 00:45:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132257163858018304 - #238

@CutTheKnotMath @jeremybabel @stefras @teachdig but if different kids solve differently ~ But, of course, they do, even starting very early #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:45:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132257204391772160 - #239

@Peter_Price @colintgraham Yes. And there is 'real life' IN the classroom, of course. For Ss, class life is a big part of their reality. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:45:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132257238495666176 - #240

@ColinTGraham @BobToms100 It's not a spanner, Neil, it's just that I made a distinction of 'real life' outside the classroom... class life diff? #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:46:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132257324084633600 - #241

@cristinaluminea @teacherswhorun @Peter_Price technology has the p possibility to facilitate discovery #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:46:24 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132257352157114370 - #242

@jeremybabel @CutTheKnotMath @stefras @teachdig as long as we don't teach the creativity out of them #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:46:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132257389087948800 - #243

Friday, 4th November 2011

What does 'authentic' mean in a mathematics class?

@dborkovitz Are we saying then that "authentic" only makes sense in a context? hmm, do I agree with that? #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:47:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132257513331638272 - #244

@emwdx #mathchat @cristinaluminea @teacherswhorun @Peter_Price I think the biggest power of tech is that power - #geogebra is my fav. teaching tool
Fri Nov 04 00:47:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132257617807548416 - #246

@jeremybabel @dborkovitz data without context is just numbers so I think I agree #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:47:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132257665127 132257665127694336 - #247

@ColinTGraham Don't kill their natural curiosity... @teacherswhorun @Peter_Price @cristinaluminea "how do we teach them to discover?" #mathchat ach
Fri Nov 04 00:47:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132257697985863680 - #248

@CutTheKnotMath @jeremybabel @stefras @teachdig as long as we don't teach the creativity out of them ~ Right. We should take care not to #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:48:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132257840336343042 - #249

@stefras @emwdx True. Sciences though allowing mistakes seem less forgiving and explorative about them. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:48:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132257907713654785 - #251

@emwdx #mathchat @cristinaluminea @teacherswhorun @Peter_Price giving students time to figure out what you want them to know using tech is key.
Fri Nov 04 00:48:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132257920372056065 - #252

@dborkovitz @jeremybabel interesting, I wasn't even thinking of data, was thinking of context of who students are, what they know #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:48:46 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132257945873428484 - #253

@cristinaluminea @emwdx @teacherswhorun tech is the only one that is able to allow for mistakes without major consequences and provide feedback #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:49:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132258017654751232 - #254

@ColinTGraham @dborkovitz I say that anything which happens to me is real because real, it's part of my reality. It may not be 'authentic' in context #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:49:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132258072990191616 - #255

@dborkovitz @jeremybabel can't you have authentic mathematics with just numbers? I think so.... #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:49:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132258085447282688 - #256

@BobToms100 @ColinTGraham #mathchat There are social differences (different settings & groups/peers), but perhaps same pre (cont) http://t.co/UjcTm8mq
Friday, 4th November 2011 What does 'authentic' mean in a mathematics class?

Fri Nov 04 00:49:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132258124668223489 - #257

@stefras @ColinTGraham I agree. Authentic does not equal real life. But I also agree that it can include how math is used in real life. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:49:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132258168104427520 - #258

@mathfour Yipes - they put sardines on my pizza, not anchovies! #mathchat

Fri Nov 04 00:49:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132258248307908608 - #259

@jeremybabel @dborkovitz math yes, I was just thinking of a line in the stats text I use #mathchat, but context makes the numbers more interesting ,
Fri Nov 04 00:50:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132258347444482048 - #260

@emwdx #mathchat @cristinaluminea @teacherswhorun And it can take the part of math that hurts math's reputation (computation) out of the game. tion
Fri Nov 04 00:50:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132258402586996737 - #261

@Peter_Price I think so. And context can be 'in Ss thinking' RT @dborkovitz: Are we saying then that "authentic" only m makes sense in a context? #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:50:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132258433981353984 - #263

@teachdig @stefras Kinda crazy huh. When a students says a way confuses them or is hard I remind them they can use what they like. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:50:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132258455225499648 - #264

@ColinTGraham OK... A tourist says to you: "Where station is?"... is your response different from that you give to a student learning English? #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:51:46 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132258703054356481 - #265

@mathfour @dborkovitz @jeremybabel Sure you can! Math started (authentically) with just numbers. Actually, just fingers! #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:51:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132258729449103360 - #266

@stefras @teachdig The problem is that here in Western Canada, we are mandated to teach multiple/all methods. This is often harmful. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:52:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132258778279194624 - #267

@dborkovitz @ColinTGraham were we talking about real vs authentic? 140 char talk at once format may be getting ahead of me here.... #mathchat ormat
Fri Nov 04 00:52:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132258797820448768 - #268

@emwdx #mathchat @dborkovitz @jeremybabel for a weak student conditioned to dislike numbers themselves, it won't be a authentic to him/her.
Fri Nov 04 00:52:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132258852577099776 - #269

@jeremybabel @mathfour @dborkovitz but there was a reason they needed to start but doing the math #mathchat
Friday, 4th November 2011 What does 'authentic' mean in a mathematics class?

Fri Nov 04 00:52:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132258881517789184 - #270

@mathfour @stefras @ColinTGraham I like this definition of authentic: true to one's own personality, spirit, or character #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:52:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132259008437428224 - #271

@ColinTGraham And, if your response is different, is that because the context dictates which response is the more 'real' or 'authentic'? #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:53:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132259018927386626 - #272

@Peter_Price @colintgraham Good example, Colin. Context determines what is the 'authentic' response. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:53:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132259020764479488 - #273

@CutTheKnotMath @jeremybabel @dborkovitz #mathchat, but context makes the , numbers more interesting ~in the 1940 50s women became human computers to be scien 1940-50s
Fri Nov 04 00:53:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132259104885456896 - #274

@CutTheKnotMath @jeremybabel @dborkovitz #mathchat, but context makes the , numbers more interesting ~in the 1940 50s women became human computers to be scien 1940-50s
Fri Nov 04 00:53:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132259104885456896 - #275

@teachdig @stefras Why is it harmful to expose them and let them choose? Too confusing for some? #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:53:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132259126360293376 - #276

@stefras @earlsamuelson Connecting visual with symbol (graph with algebra) as visual conditions change is very powerful. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:53:30 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132259140218273792 - #277

@mathfour @jeremybabel @dborkovitz Sure - is "counting things" considered just numbers? Number theory is often "just numbers" #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:53:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132259173705584640 - #278

@dborkovitz @jeremybabel @mathfour and some cultural differences in how math was done #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:53:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132259184250073088 - #279

@mathfour @CutTheKnotMath @jeremybabel @dborkovitz That's an opinion. How about ask a discrete mathematician about that one. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:54:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 13225930 132259308065923072 - #281

@ColinTGraham You'd probably give directions to the tourist and correct the student, but not always... authenticity is shaped by reality, for me #mathchat enticity
Fri Nov 04 00:54:24 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132259363711750145 - #282

Friday, 4th November 2011

What does 'authentic' mean in a mathematics class?

@BobToms100 @ColinTGraham #mathchat too many variables, yet one can generalise. To the tourist you give the answer. To the learner you help them learn.
Fri Nov 04 00:54:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132259386432303104 - #283

@stefras @mathfour How would that definition be used in a math context? I interpret it as learning to understanding, then moving on. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:54:36 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132259414794186752 - #284

@mathfour @teachdig @stefras Exposure should never be limited - provided they're asking for it. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:55:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132259524521377793 - #285

@jeremybabel @mathfour @dborkovitz number theory is often just numbers, but I would think that context often drove the need for the theory #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:55:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132259525167288321 - #286

@emwdx #mathchat @teachdig @stefras if students are at 70% proficiency at knowing how to use three different ways, they may not be able to choose.
Fri Nov 04 00:55:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132259555924127744 - #287

@dborkovitz @mathfour @CutTheKnotMath @jeremybabel actually, I am a discrete mathematician .... #mathchat again, depends what you mean by context
Fri Nov 04 00:55:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132259646042935296 - #288

@mathfour @stefras Authentic math is true to one's own personality, spirit, or character. Do what you want - solve how you want. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:55:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132259663579332609 - #289

@stefras @teachdig I was just in a PD workshop where the teacher complained that students that "had it" (math concept) "lost it" due to ... #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:55:46 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132259707116208128 - #290

@mathfour @stefras With authentic math via my def, you get to follow curiosity and make math your own (to grab maria's phrase) #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:56:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132259771205165057 - #291

@dgburris @Peter_Price practice can take on a different meaning for students in a larger applied maths context #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:56:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132259834811793409 - #293geo info: Point - lat = 42.30780403 - long = -71.10071051

@mathfour @dborkovitz :D Did you hear my joke? #mathchat

Fri Nov 04 00:56:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132259837714247680 - #294

@stefras @teachdig ... too many methods for same problem. Yes, confusing on big scale. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:56:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132259836854403072 - #295

Friday, 4th November 2011

What does 'authentic' mean in a mathematics class?

@BobToms100 @ColinTGraham #mathchat Context dictates I help both in the way they expect; the tourist wants the station an (cont) http://t.co/R2aqW2WY
Fri Nov 04 00:56:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132259844068614144 - #296

@mathfour @dborkovitz What do you call a mathematician that cheats on his taxes and mathematician tells no one? #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:56:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132259937136033792 - #297

@jeremybabel @mathfour @stefras agreed, that can happen w/o context, I just think it often makes numbers more interesting not always required #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:56:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132260004089704448 - #298

@ColinTGraham OK... last five minutes for today... & we're just getting going! Any final . comments or thoughts on authenticity in the maths class #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:57:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 13226 132260049488842754 - #299

@teachdig @stefras Understand but what do you do when a student is not getting the method shown. Only show them alternative? #mathchat ow
Fri Nov 04 00:57:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132260180204335104 - #300

@emwdx @mathfour @stefras #mathchat I try to encourage learning methods other than guess and check. s.t. that's all stdnts can/want 2 do. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:57:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132260187745697792 - #301

@mathfour stefras @teachdig That's why we shouldn't give them many (or any) methods, but let them find their way on their own. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:57:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132260219253293056 - #302

@dborkovitz @jeremybabel @mathfour I've had students get intrested in what last digit most likely for a prime.not much context, but authentic #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:58:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132260279881973760 - #303

@jeremybabel @mathfour @teachdig yes! #mathchat

Fri Nov 04 00:58:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132260 132260342859436032 - #304

@dborkovitz @mathfour um, I'm thinking discrete or is it discreet???? or maybe dishonest? #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:58:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132260431422169088 - #305

@mathfour @emwdx @stefras Guess and check is natural. Leads to them trying to find a pattern then a formula/method. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:58:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132260 132260457431052288 - #306

@stefras @teachdig I am a sub, so I can stop and analyze what the student does not understand and help him/her learn that. #mathchat m/her
Fri Nov 04 00:58:46 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132260461906370560 - #307

Friday, 4th November 2011

What does 'authentic' mean in a mathematics class?

@cristinaluminea @ColinTGraham the response can be different for different variables. real world answers aren't true or false only. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:58:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132260504285609985 - #308

@jeremybabel @dborkovitz @mathfour I think that is context, the context just not a story context, problem #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:59:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132260525085179904 - #309

@BobToms100 @ColinTGraham #mathchat I corrected a Roma woman's incorrect use of English - I don't think she was impres impressed by her facial expression
Fri Nov 04 00:59:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132260526305718272 - #310

@CutTheKnotMath @mathfour What do you call a mathematician that cheats on his What taxes and tells no one? #mathchat I do not know. What?
Fri Nov 04 00:59:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132260547579232256 - #311

@teachdig @mathfour So what about the ones who do not find it on their own. How do you help them? #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:59:14 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132260581867663360 - #312

@ColinTGraham @mathfour @stefras I think the definition, of the 5 that Gary posted earlier, that stands out is "3: not false or imitiation..." #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:59:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 13 132260587605463042 - #313

@ezka29 #mathchat late arriving to mathchat but awesome topic. Authentic to me means arriving some balance btw relevance and classical math
Fri Nov 04 00:59:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132260590008811520 - #314

@stefras @teachdig I would not give up on a given method and move onto another. Create history of failure. :( #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:59:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132260599823470593 - #315

@mathfour NICE RT @dborkovitz: Ive had students get intrested in what last d digit most likely for a prime.not much context, but authentic #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:59:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132260614990077952 - #316

@dborkovitz @CutTheKnotMath @jeremybabel that women as human computers history is interesting, what were you going to say? is that no context? #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 00:59:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132260699517894657 - #317

@emwdx #mathchat @mathfour @stefras I agree, but you need to give them time/motivation to make that next step to finding patterns and generalizing.
Fri Nov 04 00:59:46 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132260717276565504 - #318

@mathfour @jeremybabel @dborkovitz Then everything is context. #mathchat

Fri Nov 04 00:59:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132260745290330112 - #319

Friday, 4th November 2011

What does 'authentic' mean in a mathematics class?

@ColinTGraham "Worthy of acceptance"? RT @dgburris: it feels more authentic for practice to include collaboration, revision, and sharing too #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:00:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132260827448352768 - #320

@mathfour @emwdx @stefras Indeed. So why don't we? #mathchat

Fri Nov 04 01:00:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132260866254053376 - #321

@ezka29 @emwdx yep- g generalizing is way important. #mathchat

Fri Nov 04 01:00:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132260910784978944 - #322

@teachdig @stefras But maybe another way will lead to success. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:00:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 13226091794884 132260917948841984 - #323

@dborkovitz @mathfour @jeremybabel ooh that sounds too deep! #mathchat

Fri Nov 04 01:00:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132260943357939713 - #324

@jeremybabel @mathfour @dbo @dborkovitz not 2x - 5 = 14, solve. Not sure what that context is there. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:00:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132260948898619392 - #325

@stefras @ColinTGraham WOuld authentic then be relevant in context? #mathchat

Fri Nov 04 01:00:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132260955978600448 - #326

@mathfour @stefras @teachdig We shouldn't be teaching methods at all! #mathchat

Fri Nov 04 01:01:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132261052065914880 - #327

@ColinTGraham @BobToms100 Yes... inappropriate responses can turn into a "Who's on first" type of situation... ;-) #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:01:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132261161763749888 - #328

@stefras @teachdig Yes. But once a student struggles on one way and you give up on teaching that student that way you send a potent message #mathchat g
Fri Nov 04 01:01:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132261198145142785 - #329

@jeremybabel Authentic math in this video by a district just outside chicago, http://t.co/suYcF9dg #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:01:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132261201353768960 - #330

@mathfour @jeremybabel @dborkovitz You'll add 14+5 in the context of the problem.#mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:01:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132261204348506112 - #331

@CutTheKnotMath @dborkovitz @jeremybabel is that no context? #mathchat ~ No, the other way round. At the time, this was the way for them to be scientist
Fri Nov 04 01:01:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132261240365002752 - #332

Friday, 4th November 2011

What does 'authentic' mean in a mathematics class?

@dborkovitz @jeremybabel @mathfour agree 2x 5=14 good no context example.....and 2x-5=14 so many non story ways to give it context #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:02:14 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132261334342565888 - #333

@Peter_Price How about: "Encourage students to discover; teach only when necessary"? @teachdig: @mathfour #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:02:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132261346237616128 - #334

@mathfour @stefras @ColinTGraham No. Authentic means personal. Following the kid's curiosity (not the grownup/teacher) #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:02:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132261349106515969 - #335

@cristinaluminea definitely RT @stefras: @ColinTGraham WOuld authentic then be relevant in context? #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:02:30 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132261403582152704 - #336

@teachdig @stefras That is why I often show different ways to the class and let Ss choose from there. The help individually. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:02:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132261414822887424 - #337

@emwdx #mathchat @mathfour @stefras I plan time to do that with my students, it doesn't just happen without being deliberate. ppen
Fri Nov 04 01:03:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132261552182140928 - #339

@dborkovitz @CutTheKnotMath @jeremybabel As I've read, many had no idea what @CutTheKnotMath they were doing.... just followed steps #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:03:15 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132261591906402304 - #340

@ColinTGraham @stefras Perhaps, but something can also remain authentic but still be irrelevant at that time... in which case it is what? #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:03:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132261604652875776 - #341

@cristinaluminea I like that RT @Peter_Price: How about: "Encourage students to discover; teach only when necessary"? @teachdig: @mathfour #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:03:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132261641730531328 - #342

@earlsamuelson @ColinTGraham .....anything that fuels curiosity to ex extend one's own learning (if that is the purpose) can be considered authentic #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:03:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132261646402981888 - #343

@teachdig @Peter_Price Would love to all the time, but time again becomes the limiter. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:03:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132261659703123969 - #344

@ezka29 #mathchat @mathfour I like that authentic is personal. thatFri Nov 04 01:03:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132261693068808192 - #345

Friday, 4th November 2011

What does 'authentic' mean in a mathematics class?

@stefras @teachdig I am not saying that different ways of solving are bad. In fact, I think they are good. But when mandated and confusing. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:03:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132261755337449472 - #346

@mathfour @dborkovitz @jeremybabel If you just slapped down 2x 2x-5=14 without context, no one would know what to do! Of course there's contxt! #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:04:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132261829484351490 - #347

@teachdig @stefras Mandated can def be a big issue. #mathchat

Fri Nov 04 01:04:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132261869439303680 - #349

@ColinTGraham So, I'll be giving my definition out on Monday... that's a wrap for toda today, though! Thanks for your contributions everyone! #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:04:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132261938217484289 - #350

@cristinaluminea @Peter_Price @teachdig @mathfour students are more engaged when they discover something on their own rather when they are spoonfed #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:04:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132262002604244992 - #351

@mathfour @ColinTGraham @stefras What does it mean to be "irrelevant" in math? #mathchat

Fri Nov 04 01:04:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132262027199660032 - #352

@CutTheKnotMath @dborkovitz @jeremybabel many had no idea what they were doing... just followed steps #mathchat ~ many, not all. Most were very proud
Fri Nov 04 01:05:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132262072695275520 - #353

@jeremybabel @mathfour @dborkovitz yes give it to the kids and let them go, they might put context around it to make sense of the problem #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:05:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132262113002528768 - #354

@dborkovitz @ColinTGraham wow that hour went fast....#mathchat fast....#mathchat

Fri Nov 04 01:05:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132262124373291008 - #355

@lissgriffin #mathchat science is even giving some classes so kids can work on the lab in their classes too.
Fri Nov 04 01:05:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132262155327242240 - #356

@ColinTGraham Validation? RT @dgburris authentic practicing of math skills can be seen to include a work context that calls for revisn/collabo #mathchat revisn/collabor
Fri Nov 04 01:05:46 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132262227368611840 - #357

@stefras @ColinTGraham I guess that depends on ones definition of relevant. I meant relevant to learner. So if authentic, also relevant. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:05:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132262273493372928 - #358

Friday, 4th November 2011

What does 'authentic' mean in a mathematics class?

@mathfour @jeremybabel @dborkovitz They must know what all the symb symbols mean, etc. Loads of context without "word problem invention" #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:06:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132262423389417472 - #359

@dborkovitz @CutTheKnotMath @jeremybabel my grandmothers would talk about women bookkeepers in my family and how I was carrying on their math #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:06:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132262440141455360 - #360

@stefras @mathfour Irrelevant to kid and surroundings/context of math. Not irrelevant in math. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:06:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132262510341537793 - #361

@mathfour @ColinTGraham Holy cow. It's over. *sniff* SO sad. But we'll do this topic again on Monday, right? #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:07:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132262577538469888 - #362

@Peter_Price @colintgraham Thanks again, Colin. Vigorous discussion loved #mathchat again. Now, back to work...
Fri Nov 04 01:07:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132262576120803328 - #363

@dborkovitz @CutTheKnotMath @jeremybabel .... meaning I get why they were proud #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:07:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132262585423773696 - #364

@ColinTGraham Fermat's Last Theorem is irrelevant to Fibonacci sequences? RT Last @mathfour: @stefras What does it mean to be "irrelevant" in math? #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:07:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 13226260652530 132262606525304832 - #365

@mathfour @stefras But again, that's based on the kid. For me, as a kid, I loved the stuff y'all seem to call irrelevant. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:07:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132262718416748545 - #367

@Peter_Price Teachers of math: check out #mathchat every week - free PD for all!
Fri Nov 04 01:07:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132262779011874816 - #368

@dborkovitz @mathfour @jeremybabel sometimes part of keeping context is not introducing symbols too early ... can hide meaning #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:08:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132262795189288962 - #369

@stefras @mathfour If you loved it, how can it be irrelevant? #mathchat hfour
Fri Nov 04 01:08:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132262843297968129 - #370

@teachdig Thanks @ColinTGraham for moderating a great #mathchat Gotta run and get some work done tonight. Happy to get some new ideas as usual. y
Fri Nov 04 01:08:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132262865099952128 - #371

Friday, 4th November 2011

What does 'authentic' mean in a mathematics class?

@ColinTGraham @mathfour Yep, back on Monday at our new time... ; #mathchat ;-)
Fri Nov 04 01:08:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132262868539285506 - #372

@CutTheKnotMath @dborkovitz @jeremybabel meaning I get why they were proud #mathchat ~That was Math for them, with "M"
Fri Nov 04 01:08:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132262953935310848 - #374

@ColinTGraham @Peter_Price Bye Pete! @teachdig Bye Dvora! #mathchat

Fri Nov 04 01:08:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132263020456980481 - #375

@mathfour @stefras My point exactly. Grownups often determine what' (ir)relevant what's without paying attention to the kids. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:09:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132263059283648512 - #376

@dborkovitz @CutTheKnotMath @jeremybabel That was Math for them, with "M" -- well put #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:09:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132263153877786624 - #377

@cristinaluminea @mathfour can I ask what made you love it? #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:09:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132263212858097664 - #378

@stefras @mathfour But not everything can be taught through exploration and discovery. Curr is too full. Would be nice though. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:10:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132263359188971520 - #379

@ColinTGraham @dgburris Validation of personal theories/ideas by discussing them with other students makes it a more authentic experience... #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:10:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132263373546065920 - #380

@earlsamuelson RT @stefras: @mathfour But not everything can be taught through exploration and discovery. Curr is too full. Would be nice though. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:10:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132263465707515907 - #381

@NatBanting @stefras @mathfour Such is the catch 22 of school mathematics! catch-22 #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:10:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132263524301930496 - #382

@jeremybabel That was interesting, my first time participating in the #mathchat live
Fri Nov 04 01:10:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132263523815407616 - #383

@stefras @mathfour So adults must make decisions. Also adults supposedly know what students will need later (higher grades and life). #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:11:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132263545793548288 - #384

Friday, 4th November 2011

What does 'authentic' mean in a mathematics class?

@mathfour @cristinaluminea I like puzzly things. I'm a gamer at heart. So doing the math mathfor-math's-sake math was just another game. #mathchat sake
Fri Nov 04 01:11:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132263626559078400 - #385

@dborkovitz thanks everyone -- amazed that this format can yield an interesting discussion (interesting people helps) #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:11:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132263684167843 132263684167843840 - #386

@mathfour Yes it can. @stefras But not everything can be taught through exploration and discovery. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:11:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132263697237295104 - #387

@ColinTGraham @dgburris The process of revision suggests changing something towards a more 'authentic' or acceptable form, doesn't it? #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:11:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132263702614376448 - #388

@thecatholiccoup Got a flat tire on my way home and missed the chat :( maybe next week #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:11:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132263743672418304 - #389

@mathfour And that's the real problem. @stefras Curr is too full. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:11:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132263787658096641 - #390

@stefras @mathfour I think the difference here is that I am thinking about junior and senior high rather than early child and elementary. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:12:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132263817156632576 - #391

@ColinTGraham @thecatholiccoup Oh, shame! See if you can join us on Monday when we revisit today's #mathchat topic... ; ;-)
Fri Nov 04 01:12:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132263938850160641 - #392

@stefras @mathfour Can't ingnore the problem! #currfull #mathchat

Fri Nov 04 01:12:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132263949856014336 - #393

@mathfour @stefras Yeah, well, adults need to get the heck outta the way. We're just messing it all up. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:12:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132263968042520576 - #394

@mathfour @stefras Yup - you're already getting damaged goods. Like my college students. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:13:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132264063290978305 - #396

@stefras @mathfour Hmm. No adults. No learning for future. #mathchat

Fri Nov 04 01:13:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132264113165438978 - #397

Friday, 4th November 2011

What does 'authentic' mean in a mathematics class?

@ColinTGraham OK, I'm off for the moment! Don't forget to follow the new tweeps and @mathchat to keep updated! #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:14:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132264496256401408 - #398

@mathfour @stefras I don't mean to eliminate the adults. #mathchat chat

Fri Nov 04 01:14:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132264517181771776 - #399

@cristinaluminea @mathfour I am the same... but I loved it because my first teacher was loved very passionate about it... and I discovered I could do it #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:14:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132264519492841472 - #402

@jeremybabel @mathfour @stefras I remember @tkanold speak to the WChicago math dept ask 4 any topic & he show how to discover, he did not fail #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:14:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132264542490198017 - #403

@stefras Thanks for the great chat everyone. Thanks @ColinTGraham for the topic and the moderation. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:15:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132264586828185600 - #404 32264586828185600

@mathfour @stefras "Get out of the way" means to follow curiosity, not lead. Essential principle in coaching techniques. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:15:24 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132264647842725890 - #405

@cristinaluminea @stefras @mathfour exploration and discovery got math where it is today... why do you think we can't replicate that? #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:15:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132264797382262784 - #406

@stefras @mathfour True, but curr leads us and we are mandated to lead stdnts. are Supposedly job potential leads curr. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:16:55 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132265031579607040 - #407

@mathfour @jeremybabel @stefras @tkanold I'm thinking of doing a talk at a women's networking group on "math in your purse" - all impromptu! #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:17:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132265083383447552 - #408

@stefras @cristinaluminea Best way to teach, particularly if you recognize the history. Kids love it. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:17:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132265215734710272 - #409

@mathfour Yeah - I'm the last kid at the party. Stuck in another city in a hotel room. *sniff* #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:17:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132265270608805888 - #410

@lissgriffin #mathchat maths and art http://t.co/Edc2QQ8c thanks @michellegriff

Fri Nov 04 01:18:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132265359821639680 - #411

Friday, 4th November 2011

What does 'authentic' mean in a mathematics class?

@mathfour @stefras We totally need to change that, because it's garbage. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:18:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132265388930109440 - #412

@stefras @mathfour :) #mathchat

Fri Nov 04 01:18:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132265473684422656 - #413

@stefras @mathfour One hour ahead of "summer" schedule on Monday. #mathchat

Fri Nov 04 01:19:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132265737631965185 - #414

@stefras @jeremybabel Hope you enjoyed #mathchat and will come again. Or did we scare you off? ;-)
Fri Nov 04 01:21:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132266136447356928 - #415

@jeremybabel @stefras it was fun, joined late & had a hard time figuring out the topic,, still not sure I got it by the end but interesting #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:22:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132266494796107777 - #417

@cristinaluminea I just discovered #mathchat... a great experience @1am... thanks ... everyone!
Fri Nov 04 01:23:24 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132266663658 132266663658786816 - #418

@stefras @mathfour Hmmm! #mathchat

Fri Nov 04 01:23:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132266704343543809 - #419

@stefras @thecatholiccoup MOnday. Monday. Ask @ColinTGraham t time. He keeps the confusing us! #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:24:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132266899034742784 - #420

@jeremybabel @stefras but it made more sense than when I was new to twitter seeing made only 1 person post 100 seemingly random posts in just 1 hour #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:25:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132267286173192192 - #422

@ColinTGraham @stefras @thecatholiccoup OR.... you can check the handy link to your local time on the #mathchat wiki... http://t.co/0BVcnsmy
Fri Nov 04 01:27:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132267597008863232 - #423

@stefras @jeremybabel Yeah, I don't like chain tweets. They clog people's timelines and essentially disrupt discussions. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:27:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132267607989559297 - #424

@stefras @ColinTGraham Shh. Don't tell them about the handy link! ;p #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:27:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132267742442168320 - #425

@jeremybabel @stefras it was more that I had no idea what #mathchat was at the time, so i wondered if I was following a crazy person owing
Friday, 4th November 2011 What does 'authentic' mean in a mathematics class?

Fri Nov 04 01:28:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132267842983833600 - #426

@stefras @jeremybabel Oh. I understand. Yes that would have been confusing, nd. particularly at the speed some of are chats get to. #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:28:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132268034986475520 - #427

@jeremybabel @stefras and i was only following one of the participants at the time #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:29:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132268167417430016 - #428

@ColinTGraham @jeremybabel If you were only following @stefras's tweets to you #mathchat, then you were definitely following a crazy person : , :-P
Fri Nov 04 01:29:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132268180218454016 - #429

@stefras @jeremybabel That was our chats of course. Ah Twitter has made me a bad typer. This keyboard doesn't help either. Too cramped #mathchat cramped.
Fri Nov 04 01:29:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132268284971196416 - #430

@stefras @ColinTGraham @jeremybabel :) ha ha ha ha ha <evil grin> It is working! #mathchat

Fri Nov 04 01:30:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132268466047688704 - #431

@SchoolmarmDE @jeremybabel @stefras All #mathchat ers are crazy people. One gets s used to it. ;)
Fri Nov 04 01:31:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132268641877110785 - #432

@jeremybabel @SchoolmarmDE @stefras then I was in the right place tonight #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:31:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132268754162814976 - #433

@stefras @jeremybabel Sometimes my keyboard even throws me into strange characters and I have to log off to continue typing. :( : ) #mathchat
Fri Nov 04 01:32:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132268867526459392 - #434

@ColinTGraham For the newbies.... Whats it all about #mathchat #mathchat?http://t.co/fRNB6yPs or my interview with @Samuel_Hansen http://t.co/NVe4E1ZJ
Fri Nov 04 01:32:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132268918017503232 - #435

@lissgriffin Musical Road - patterns #mathchat & music http://t.co/TT5fjmbB sical

Fri Nov 04 01:32:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132269049777373184 - #436

@stefras I'm out! #mathchat Nice chatting to you all.

Fri Nov 04 01:33:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 132269153548636160 - #437

Friday, 4th November 2011

What does 'authentic' mean in a mathematics class?