Club 24 Thread: Formation and Playing Styles Counters

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Neowhite [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Neowhite] Blev medlem: 2007-01-06 mne: Formation and Playing Styles Counters Skrivet: 2010-07-05 17:19:35 Citera Svara Just a little experiment, to see what people think. Okay assume you've got 6 players in each position all on 10 form with 12 skill bars, and you know exactly what tactics your opponent is going to play. What do you do to counter the following? 4-4-2 offensive LB 4-4-2 offensive pressure 4-5-1 Normal pressure 3-5-2 defensive 4-3-3 offensive LB 5-4-1 defensive pressure 3-5-2 cautious 5-3-2 v. defensive LB 3-4-3 Normal LB 4-5-1 v. off These are 10 random formations, but it would be interesting to see what everybody does. I'm mainly interested in formation and playing style. Anyway it's late so I'll post what I think in the morning.

My signature mentions Jarb. Flytta till verst p sidan Richardfenn [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Richardfenn] Blev medlem: 2006-03-29 Svar till: Neowhite Skrivet: 2010-07-05 17:27:40 Uppdaterat: 2010-07-05 17:34:50 Citera Svara Home, away, neutral or all three? Ans are we talking about opposition of equal strength?

If all else fails, just sod it and go to the pub. Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: Neowhite Skrivet: 2010-07-05 17:29:14 Citera Svara Interesting thread, a lot of people disagree with my incredibly successful take on such a thing so I'm gonna steer clear of this thread for now as not to scare away potential posters who think I will tear them to shreds.

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan Dfault [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Dfault] Blev medlem: 2009-05-26 Svar till: Richardfenn Skrivet: 2010-07-05 23:09:38 Uppdaterat: 2010-07-05 23:10:39 Citera Svara I throw one in (since I have yet not found out how to play this) Scenario: Opponent plays at home with 3-5-2, Playing style Normal and uses pressure. Q1: What do you counter with if the teams ar equal in strength? Q2: What do you counter with if the opponent is stronger than you in middfield (hence the 5 player MF) but weaker than you in defence and forwards?

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Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Richardfenn Home, away, neutral or all three? Ans are we talking about opposition of equal strength? Sorry, neutral and same strength.

My signature mentions Jarb. Flytta till verst p sidan Neowhite [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Neowhite] Blev medlem: 2007-01-06 Svar till: Dfault Skrivet: 2010-07-05 23:47:49 Uppdaterat: 2010-07-05 23:48:32 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Dfault I throw one in (since I have yet not found out how to play this) Scenario: Opponent plays at home with 3-5-2, Playing style Normal and uses pressure. Q1: What do you counter with if the teams ar equal in strength? Q2: What do you counter with if the opponent is stronger than you in middfield (hence the 5 player MF) but weaker than you in defence and forwards? IMO in both cases 4-3-3 LB and defensive, unless they were going to use LRS. If they were using LRS I would counter with 3-4-3 pressure and cautious in both cases.

My signature mentions Jarb. Flytta till verst p sidan Neowhite [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Neowhite] Blev medlem: 2007-01-06 Svar till: Neowhite Skrivet: 2010-07-05 23:54:44 Citera Svara This is my thinking - counters in Italian orginal formations in bald: 4-4-2 offensive LB

4-3-3 LB defensive 4-4-2 offensive pressure 4-5-1 normal and pressure 4-5-1 Normal pressure 3-4-3 normal pressure 3-5-2 defensive 4-3-3 LB offensive 4-3-3 offensive LB 4-5-1 cautious pressure 5-4-1 defensive pressure 4-3-3 offensive LB 3-5-2 cautious 3-4-3 cautious pressure 5-3-2 v. defensive LB 4-5-1 normal pressure 3-4-3 Normal LB 4-3-3 defensive 4-5-1 v. off 4-4-2 LB defensive

My signature mentions Jarb. Flytta till verst p sidan Dfault [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Dfault] Blev medlem: 2009-05-26 Svar till: Neowhite Skrivet: 2010-07-06 00:15:34 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Neowhite IMO in both cases 4-3-3 LB and defensive, unless they were going to use LRS. If they were using LRS I would counter with 3-4-3 pressure and cautious in both cases. Interesting that you would play defensive with the formation that is a little more defensive (4-3-3) than the formations you would choose to play catious (3-4-3) with and that is the most offensive formation there is on X11. Why? (What I base the assumption on how offensive a formation is http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?

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http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=3841256&forumid=26&read=1 Flytta till verst p sidan Neowhite [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Neowhite] Blev medlem: 2007-01-06 Svar till: Dfault Skrivet: 2010-07-06 00:23:18 Uppdaterat: 2010-07-06 00:24:11 Citera Svara I do take into account that, but I think the major function of playing style is to place an importance on an area of the playing pitch. So for 4-3-3 I don't want to be playing the game in the midfield, I want my defenders to control the match. I could go very defensive to achieve this too, but I want to have something for my forwards to work with, as that's my strong point. For 3-4-3 I want to create a maximum of chances, so I do want my midfield in the match, and I know I'm going to lose the midfield dual, but not by much, however I'm confident that I should convert more chances. To be 100% fair, I wouldn't try this if they had a super GK or I had a GK in poor form.

My signature mentions Jarb. Flytta till verst p sidan ____Jeff [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [____Jeff] Blev medlem: 2007-09-24 Svar till: Neowhite Skrivet: 2010-07-06 11:45:52 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Neowhite 4-5-1 v. off 4-4-2 LB defensive I am struggling to agree on this one Neo. Although I mostly agree on the others. Neutral ground, equal strength. I would be playing 3 defenders to their 1 striker. Probably go 3-5-2 normal or offensive depending on my starting 11 form & the referee. I feel that when the ref is high S value I can play offsides and play more offensively because my defence is strenthened. Low S I would refer to normal playing style. I've never had success playing defensive vs v.offensive.

We're not blue we're not green we support our local team! We're Aberdeen! Flytta till verst p sidan Dfault [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Dfault] Blev medlem: 2009-05-26 Svar till: Neowhite Skrivet: 2010-07-06 12:33:06 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Neowhite I do take into account that, but I think the major function of playing style is to place an importance on an area of the playing pitch. So for 4-3-3 I don't want to be playing the game in the midfield, I want my defenders to control the match. I could go very defensive to achieve this too, but I want to have something for my forwards to work with, as that's my strong point. For 3-4-3 I want to create a maximum of chances, so I do want my midfield in the match, and I know I'm going to lose the midfield dual, but not by much, however I'm confident that I should convert more chances. To be 100% fair, I wouldn't try this if they had a super GK or I had a GK in poor form. OK, my thoughts is that if there is equal strength I would try to match his 3-5-2 with the same line up (3-5-2) but to play cautious. If he is a bit stronger on MF and Im a bit stronger on the other position I am leaning to play 4 defenders to help the MF a bit to hope that they will help out with their MF since it is "only" 2 at top for them and to play 3 MF and have a little balance on MF and 3 upfront that is stronger than his D and therefore make a mess for him and go with LB cautious or defensive. I am also very curious to try a 4-2-4 LB catiuos/defensive just to see if a "hail mary" really could make a mess since I have 4 on top vs his 3 defenders.

http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=3841256&forumid=26&read=1 Flytta till verst p sidan Dfault [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Dfault] Blev medlem: 2009-05-26 Svar till: Neowhite Skrivet: 2010-07-06 12:40:50 Citera Svara This is my thinking (some changes from yours) - counters in Italian orginal formations in bald: 4-4-2 offensive LB 3-5-2 cautious 4-4-2 offensive pressure 3-5-2 cautious and pressure 4-5-1 Normal pressure

3-5-2 normal pressure 3-5-2 defensive 4-3-3 LB normal 4-3-3 offensive LB 4-5-1 cautious pressure 5-4-1 defensive pressure 3-4-3 cautious pressure 3-5-2 cautious 3-4-3 cautious pressure 5-3-2 v. defensive LB 4-5-1 normal 3-4-3 Normal LB 4-3-3 defensive 4-5-1 v. off 3-5-2 cautious

http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=3841256&forumid=26&read=1 Flytta till verst p sidan ____Jeff [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [____Jeff] Blev medlem: 2007-09-24 Svar till: Dfault Skrivet: 2010-07-06 13:34:05 Citera Svara @Dfault. I like what you've done with formation counters but almost disagree with every playing style. It's on neutral ground, you are playing almost cautious or defensive in every situation there. When you are equal strength, why not attack the match and go for the win, rather than sit back and be defensively minded. Too cautious in my opinion. Need to be more aggressive. Being neutral (cup) sometimes you need to be ruthless, and take a step forwards not backwards.

We're not blue we're not green we support our local team! We're Aberdeen! Flytta till verst p sidan Dfault [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Dfault]

Blev medlem: 2009-05-26 Svar till: ____Jeff Skrivet: 2010-07-06 13:57:40 Citera Svara I just try to counter the opponents offensive since he will be vulnerable at the back and he will not produce that much against my cautious/defensive. When my opponent go for cautious/defensive or defensive formations I do not want to go to offensive but I rather play a offensive formation with a cautious mentality. But thats just my view havent been around for so long and have almost never had an equal or stronger side so I have been used to play normal/cautious/defensive/very defensive....

http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=3841256&forumid=26&read=1 Flytta till verst p sidan ____Jeff [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [____Jeff] Blev medlem: 2007-09-24 Svar till: Dfault Skrivet: 2010-07-06 14:06:20 Citera Svara I guess it would depend whether it's 1 leg or over 2 legs. That would depend how aggressive you approach the match on neutral ground.

We're not blue we're not green we support our local team! We're Aberdeen! Flytta till verst p sidan Dfault [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Dfault] Blev medlem: 2009-05-26 Svar till: ____Jeff Skrivet: 2010-07-06 14:10:10 Citera Svara But 2 legs are not on neutral ground, they are one home and one away. Neutral is always used when you are on 1 leg games. Or have I missed something??

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Flytta till verst p sidan ____Jeff [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [____Jeff] Blev medlem: 2007-09-24 Svar till: Dfault Skrivet: 2010-07-06 16:10:01 Citera Svara Oh yeah. Well in that case, I would not be playing nearly as defensive as what you've written if all were equal. I'd be confident of my tactics, and play slightly more attacking. I'll write up my formations and playing styles later. Away out at the mo.

We're not blue we're not green we support our local team! We're Aberdeen! Flytta till verst p sidan Neowhite [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Neowhite] Blev medlem: 2007-01-06 Svar till: ____Jeff Skrivet: 2010-07-06 17:22:19 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: ____Jeff I am struggling to agree on this one Neo. Although I mostly agree on the others. Neutral ground, equal strength. I would be playing 3 defenders to their 1 striker. Probably go 3-5-2 normal or offensive depending on my starting 11 form & the referee. I feel that when the ref is high S value I can play offsides and play more offensively because my defence is strenthened. Low S I would refer to normal playing style. I've never had success playing defensive vs v.offensive. For me it's not a matter of matching up the playing styles, but the playing styles and the formations. I think the offensive part of 4-5-1 means you might be better with an extra defender. I think 3-5-2 is the popular choice, but you don't win the midfield, your offence doesn't do anything special against their defence, so you only really win in defence, which is your weakest area. I still like 3-5-2, but I just think you're doing nothing more than shading tactically. 4-4-2 LB defensive offers a great counter attacking tactic IMO. The defensive style places more importances on the defence, which will be acting a little more as the midfield with the LB being used. Means you should be able to create more chances, and your strikers should do the rest. Well that's the rational behind my choice anyway.

My signature mentions Jarb.

Flytta till verst p sidan Rosscoe [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Rosscoe] Blev medlem: 2006-12-20 Svar till: Neowhite Skrivet: 2010-07-07 13:28:35 Uppdaterat: 2010-07-07 13:30:31 Citera Svara I haven't looked at what everyone has put yet, so this is my gut reaction: 4-4-2 offensive LB - VO532 LB (H), N541 (A) 4-4-2 offensive pressure - O451 pr (H), N451 pr (A) 4-5-1 Normal pressure - O352 pr (H), D433 LB (A) 3-5-2 defensive - N343 (H), N451 pr (A) 4-3-3 offensive LB - O442 or 532 (H), C532 pr (A) 5-4-1 defensive pressure - VO352 (H), N343 (A) 3-5-2 cautious - VO451 pr (H), VD352 (A) 5-3-2 v. defensive LB - VO352 (H), N451 (A) 3-4-3 Normal LB - O451 pr (H), D541 (A) 4-5-1 v. off - O433 LB, N442 lb (A) Mind you, you could ask me again on another day and I could come up with something completely different. EDIT I see you're talking about neutral games. I won't bother with them as I hardly ever have any. Sussing out the H/A factor is moer important for me.

Yes, I am a Statto. Flytta till verst p sidan PrinceCharming77 [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] Blev medlem: 2007-09-24 Svar till: Neowhite Skrivet: 2010-07-07 20:37:16 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Neowhite This is my thinking - counters in Italian orginal formations in bald: 4-4-2 offensive LB 4-3-3 LB defensive 4-4-2 offensive pressure

4-5-1 normal and pressure 4-5-1 Normal pressure 3-4-3 normal pressure 3-5-2 defensive 4-3-3 LB offensive 4-3-3 offensive LB 4-5-1 cautious pressure 5-4-1 defensive pressure 4-3-3 offensive LB 3-5-2 cautious 3-4-3 cautious pressure 5-3-2 v. defensive LB 4-5-1 normal pressure 3-4-3 Normal LB 4-3-3 defensive 4-5-1 v. off 4-4-2 LB defensive What would it take to make you use 3-5-2? Flytta till verst p sidan 123

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123 Frfattare Meddelande Neowhite [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Neowhite] Blev medlem: 2007-01-06 Svar till: PrinceCharming77 Skrivet: 2010-07-08 23:56:06 Citera Svara 3-5-2 counters many, and nothing. I would use it with normal against 4-4-2 pressure normal or 4-3-3LB normal for example, but 4-5-1 normal is better.

My signature mentions Jarb. Flytta till verst p sidan Sevenman [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Sevenman] Blev medlem: 2008-04-27 Svar till: Neowhite Skrivet: 2010-07-16 13:31:46 Uppdaterat: 2010-07-16 13:33:12 Citera Svara I am finding things increasingly frustrating at the moment when it comes to certain formations against each other, the goalposts have definitely been moved. I used to for instance like 4-3-3lb against 4-4-2 but this has all but stopped being effective, for me anyway, a few of the formations I like to play when I know a certain formation is coming is simply not getting me the desired result.

What I am finding with the more attacking formations such as 4-3-3 and 3-4-3 at home going with a gung ho offensive is getting me results. On a side not has anyone noticed the amount of over/unders on the market right now? There seems to be shit loads around placing more importance on the agents and evaluating.

7 (seven) is the natural number following 6 and preceding 8 Flytta till verst p sidan Duffster [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Anvndaren r ligaboss fr ligan] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Duffster] Blev medlem: 2006-09-11 Svar till: Neowhite Skrivet: 2010-11-06 13:11:58 Citera Svara Dumpty bumpty..

The usefulness of a cup is its emptiness. http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=3841256&forumid=26&read=1 Flytta till verst p sidan Basilbrush303 [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Basilbrush303] Blev medlem: 2006-02-17 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2011-02-15 01:08:08 Citera Svara +1

We are all Champions. We are all Walter Smith. Flytta till verst p sidan UKsNo1 [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [UKsNo1] Blev medlem: 2007-03-09 Svar till: Duffster

Skrivet: 2011-02-15 23:21:35 Citera Svara This is certainly one area of the game that I have never really looked at in great detail, I don't really go with the idea of formation X matching or beating formation Y quite simply because imo its all very theoretical and based on an ideal team/world that doesn't exist. It seems to me that more often than not I can't play what could be considered the ideal counter formation because: a/ my team doesn't have the right players. b/ even when I do I usually have to make exceptions to play weak yoofs. c/ the tactics chosen by the other manager don't match his formation anyway etc etc Mostly though because I'm to lazy too make any notes, keep statistics etc and generally play the game by gut feeling. I guess I'm doomed to be slightly better than average but nothing more than that

A league is only ever as good or bad as the managers within the league make it! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbhiR21vsnc Flytta till verst p sidan Neowhite [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Neowhite] Blev medlem: 2007-01-06 Svar till: UKsNo1 Skrivet: 2011-02-16 11:52:57 Citera Svara Formation counters can be rubbish. Look at this example 4-3-3LB v 3-5-2. Who has won this battle? Well at first you might say 3 strikers v 3 at the back, 4-3-3 has the edge, but that's not the full story is it. What if in this example the 3-5-2 played long range shot, suddenly they're winning the midfield and hurting the 4-3-3 side with that. Basically my point is that any formation can counter any other formation, but your other tactics need to make use of your advantage.

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I've always been quite a big believer in formation counters. That said, all things being equal there's a lot to be said from saying "no I'm not going to let the opposition dictate the tactics" and simply play your strongest XI. Basically my formation matchups tend to be quite similar to that table Holidays produced a while back. I usually don't let things like pressure or "attackingness" affect me, but long balls cm=ome into it a lot. As a general rule, if the opposition plays long balls then most of the time I'll undercut the midfield again. I also have a vague theory - albeit with nothing to back it up - that having one less midfielder is OK with long balls, two less midfielders is a bad thing, but thre less midfielders (ie 2 vs 5) is OK. As I say, that's just an idee fixe in my head. In answer to the original question... 4-4-2 offensive LB 4-3-3 LB 4-4-2 offensive pressure probably 4-5-1 or 3-5-2, without pressure 4-5-1 Normal pressure 3-4-3 long balls, or 4-4-2 long balls 3-5-2 defensive toe-to-toe with 3-5-2, or 4-5-1 offensive 4-3-3 offensive LB 4-2-4 or 5-2-3 long balls if I've got the squad to support it. Otherwise possibly 4-5-1 5-4-1 defensive pressure I've always though 5-4-1 has no "natural" counter. Maybe 4-5-1, or 3-4-3 long balls 3-5-2 cautious As above for 3-5-2: either 4-5-1, or 3-5-2, or 4-4-2 long balls 5-3-2 v. defensive LB Ideally 4-2-4 or 5-2-3 long balls; otherwise 4-5-1 3-4-3 Normal LB 5-2-3 long balls 4-5-1 v. off 4-4-2 long balls, or 3-5-2 Ultimately, and maybe it's an obvious point, you play with XIs to suit your squad. In a couple of teams, including this one, I've got poor and/or small midfields, but lots of/good strikers, so 4-3-3 and 4-2-4 are the order of the day; in other teams I've got very strong midfields so rarely deviate from 4-5-1, 4-4-2 or 3-5-2. Flytta till verst p sidan Chuchutran [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Chuchutran] Blev medlem: 2008-06-25 Svar till: Moxter Skrivet: 2011-03-16 07:10:41 Citera Svara

great thread. I've learned some stuff in this one

Maktub Flytta till verst p sidan UKsNo1 [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [UKsNo1] Blev medlem: 2007-03-09 Svar till: Neowhite Skrivet: 2011-06-06 14:15:30 Citera Svara Hmm since reading this a month or so ago and looking at my matches I must admit there are more patterns there than I thought. What about 3-5-2 offensive pressure though?

A league is only ever as good or bad as the managers within the league make it! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbhiR21vsnc Flytta till verst p sidan Miziler [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Miziler] Blev medlem: 2008-05-14 Svar till: Neowhite Skrivet: 2011-06-06 15:00:28 Citera Svara 4-4-2 offensive LB - 4-5-1 Cautious and Pressure.. 4-4-2 offensive pressure -- 4-5-1 Cautious and Pressure.. 4-5-1 Normal pressure -- 3-5-2 Cautious and Pressure.. 3-5-2 defensive -- 3-5-2 Cautious and Pressure.. 4-3-3 offensive LB -- 4-5-1 Defensive and Pressure.. 5-4-1 defensive pressure -- 3-5-2 Cautious and Pressure.. 3-5-2 cautious -- 3-5-2 Cautious and Pressure.. 5-3-2 v. defensive LB -- 4-5-1 Cautious and Pressure.. 3-4-3 Normal LB -- 4-5-1 Defensive and Pressure.. 4-5-1 v. off -- 4-5-1 Cautious and Pressure..

I didnt change much on my formations and tactical space,it almost 2 years and half and I would say just fine but still in learning progress. Its good thread Neo,I didnt realize that,my fault again..

"It doesn't matter how good you are, if you're not confident in what you're doing and not believing that it's going to turn for you then you're not going to play well" Flytta till verst p sidan Bejjita [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Bejjita] Blev medlem: 2008-06-05 Svar till: Miziler Skrivet: 2011-06-06 15:02:23 Citera Svara Basically you play 5 in midfield and never above cautious? Do you often draw games you should win? I'd personally love to play a manager like you if I was the underdog.

Deus Ex Machina.. future XCL winners. Flytta till verst p sidan Miziler [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Miziler] Blev medlem: 2008-05-14 Svar till: UKsNo1 Skrivet: 2011-06-06 15:04:34 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: UKsNo1 What about 3-5-2 offensive pressure though? 4-5-1 Defensive,pressure..

"It doesn't matter how good you are, if you're not confident in what you're doing and not believing that it's going to turn for you then you're not going to play well" Flytta till verst p sidan Miziler [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Miziler]

Blev medlem: 2008-05-14 Svar till: Bejjita Skrivet: 2011-06-06 15:06:33 Citera Svara Result-oriented still the main reasons there Nath,best always looking for better rite..

"It doesn't matter how good you are, if you're not confident in what you're doing and not believing that it's going to turn for you then you're not going to play well" Flytta till verst p sidan Moxter [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] Blev medlem: 2007-11-07 Svar till: Miziler Skrivet: 2011-06-07 11:45:28 Citera Svara Just looking back, if someone went 5-4-1 defensive pressure I'd be tempted by 4-2-4, although after a handful of recent defeats I'm slightly losing my previous puppy-like enthusiasm for 4-2-4. Flytta till verst p sidan Duffster [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Anvndaren r ligaboss fr ligan] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Duffster] Blev medlem: 2006-09-11 Svar till: Neowhite Skrivet: 2011-06-08 15:44:42 Citera Svara Based purely on your (Neo) conditions - Neutral - Same strength/form - and opponents tactics known going into the match. 4-4-2 offensive LB --------- 352 Normal - Pressure 4-4-2 offensive pressure ------- 352 - Normal - Pressure 4-5-1 Normal pressure ------- 352 - Offensive - Pressure 3-5-2 defensive -------- 352 - Normal - Pressure 4-3-3 offensive LB -------- 532 - Cautious - LB 5-4-1 defensive pressure ----- 352 - Normal - Pressure 3-5-2 cautious -------- 451 - Normal - Pressure

5-3-2 v. defensive LB ---- 442 - Normal - LB 3-4-3 Normal LB ------- 451 - Offensive - Pressure 4-5-1 v. off ------ 352 - Normal - Pressure

The usefulness of a cup is its emptiness. http://www.xperteleven.com/viewGlobalMessageN.aspx?threadID=3841256&forumid=26&read=1 Flytta till verst p sidan Miziler [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Miziler] Blev medlem: 2008-05-14 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2011-06-09 01:28:08 Citera Svara Now I know how duffster gonna to play..

"It doesn't matter how good you are, if you're not confident in what you're doing and not believing that it's going to turn for you then you're not going to play well" Flytta till verst p sidan Moxter [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] Blev medlem: 2007-11-07 Svar till: Duffster Skrivet: 2011-06-09 12:25:05 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Duffster Based purely on your (Neo) conditions - Neutral - Same strength/form - and opponents tactics known going into the match. 5-3-2 v. defensive LB ---- 442 - Normal - LB

Two points: Duffster likes 3-5-2. The example above - explain your rationale?

Flytta till verst p sidan Villabolger [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] Blev medlem: 2006-01-15 Svar till: Moxter Skrivet: 2011-06-09 14:34:23 Citera Svara Without meaning to rain on this parade I don't really think this is a system you can quantify like this. Formation match ups are only so good as the strength of the players in the various positions. I know one of the rules was that "same strength/form" but thats just not something that ever happens. There is always an area i feel i can expose and similarly an area of the pitch i feel i can be exposed in. So i will set up my team (formation and playing style wise) to expose those areas or to strengthen my weaknesses. If everything else was exactly equal i don't think formation makes one bit of difference for the most part. So the choice of LBs and Pressure is the only aspect that changes things in these examples imo. Flytta till verst p sidan Sevenman [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Ligaassistent] [Sevenman] Blev medlem: 2008-04-27 Svar till: Moxter Skrivet: 2011-06-09 15:00:44 Citera Svara Ursprungligen postat av: Moxter The example above - explain your rationale? I saw that as well and was gonna ask the same question, it must be an error surely.

7 (seven) is the natural number following 6 and preceding 8 Flytta till verst p sidan Duffster [Kontakta frfattare inom ligan] [Anvndaren r VIP-medlem] [Anvndaren r ligaboss fr ligan] [r med i Hall Of Fame!] [Duffster] Blev medlem: 2006-09-11 Svar till: Sevenman Skrivet: 2011-06-09 15:43:54 Citera Svara I wouldn't look too far into that, Neo presented an "ideal" situation that really never happens, but the PS in each of the above under equal strength & me knowing tactics beforehand would imo ensure victory & control of the above sert-ups.

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