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status Welcome everyone... #ukedchat I suppose the first question we 19:59 need to answer is 'what is learning?' Ok, folks. It's 8pm. Enjoy #ukedchat tonight with @SirBlimelyWindy Topic = "How do you teach learning?" Off you go... Do you really teach learning or is it more facilitating learning? #ukedchat I am on twitterfall and it is a little slow it seems - i will try and keep up #ukedchat #ukedchat Learning is far better modelled than taught. RT @ukedchat: Ok, folks. It's 8pm. Enjoy #ukedchat tonight with @SirBlimelyWindy Topic = "How do you teach learning?" Off you go...

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20:00 enthusiastic interactivity with a focal contextual element #ukedchat @SirBlimelyWindy switch to tweetchat...use the tool specially 20:01 designed for twitterchats! #ukedchat I think learning is individual to each person #ukedchat and comes 20:01 with different experiences. RT @ukedchat: Ok, folks. It's 8pm. Enjoy #ukedchat tonight with @SirBlimelyWindy Topic = "How do you teach learning?" Off you 20:01 go... Coupling 'learning and teaching' together in a phrase is easy. Showing how they are linked in reality is lot more difficult... 20:01 #ukedchat 20:01 #ukedchat doing something new and getting better at something RT @dughall: #ukedchat Learning is far better modelled than 20:01 taught. Do we need to in the current education system, or do we need to 20:01 teach how to remember info #ukedchat 20:01 #ukedchat learning is making connections. @ukedchat @SirBlimelyWindy Learning is personal meaning making. Means individuals have to construct the meaning for 20:02 themselves. Active. @dughall #ukedchat do you mean 'hands on' (not literally)peer to 20:02 peer? RT @schoolsict: Do you really teach learning or is it more facilitating 20:02 learning? #ukedchat < well, there has to be some instruction Good Evening all in today's #ukedchat for me learning the three Rs 20:02 would be a good start for teaching the students #ukedchat don't 'teach' learning, create the best conditions for each 20:03 pupil to discover how they learn in their own way 20:03 RT @dan_bowen: Learning..is a process not an action #ukedchat @bucharesttutor Is there a difference between teaching & learning 20:03 though? #ukedchat 20:03 Learning..is a process not an action #ukedchat

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@mattpearson lol I was thinking more about Reading, Writing and 20:04 Rote #ukedchat #ukedchat so to teach learning you have to model and help them through the process and the more involved they are the deeper the 20:04 learning RT @stuart_g_brown: #ukedchat don't 'teach' learning, create the best conditions for each pupil to discover how they learn in their 20:04 own way #ukedchat if you're teaching people to leweb presumably you need 20:04 to remove the instruction slowly 20:04 #ukedchat "How do you teach learning?" - Celebrate mistakes 20:04 @gormatt Please use #ukedchat instead of @ukedchat Thank you @SirBlimelyWindy Is setting the boundaries really teaching? At University level the main skill taught is how to research. #ukedchat #ukedchat There are aspects of learning of learning such as resilience, reciprocity etc that can be broken down into skills etc to be taught @bucharesttutor resilience, resourcefulness, relationships?? (after Guy Claxton) #ukedchat @stuart_g_brown #ukedchat why not teach learning. Isn't teaching 'showing' ideas? RT @dan_bowen: #ukedchat so to teach learning you have to model and help them through the process and the more involved they are the deeper the learning Learning involves virtual permanent understanding of something not just a short term gain which is progressive development cycle #ukedchat @dan_bowen #ukedchat I agree! We need to remember that it is continuous. It never stops so what we need to think about is progress. @KempsterD, Agreed without the relationship no learning can occur #ukedchat RT @mattpearson: Coupling 'learning and teaching' together in a phrase is easy. Showing how they are linked in reality is lot more difficult... #ukedchat

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20:05 @dan_bowen ...and that process needs to be learned. #ukedchat learning is a liminal process (Dylan Wiliam), meaning a change in 20:05 psychological states which is hard to define #ukedchat RT @KempsterD: #ukedchat There are aspects of learning of learning such as resilience, reciprocity etc that can be broken down 20:05 into skills etc to be taught @bucharesttutor @mattpearson #ukedchat Rote? It might be 20:06 learning but it's not understanding which is what we want really!

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@ICTwitz teaching means rubbing the concepts ingrained in the 20:06 mind while learning is a continuous process #ukedchat @TeachToAll #ukedchat Scaffolding is the key to supporting students of all abilities - remove sections for the more able #ukedchat Recent insights into resilience say it can be taught. Learning is a process but requires action @SirBlimelyWindy Research skills allows students answer any question put to them, even if its not there chosen area of knowledge #ukedchat @SirBlimelyWindy Research skills allows students answer any question put to them, even if its not there chosen area of knowledge #ukedchat @bucharesttutor the traditional 3rd R is arithmetic (thus subtly undoing the first two in a performative paradox) #ukedchat RT @dan_bowen: #ukedchat so to teach learning you have to model and help them through the process and the more involved they are the deeper the learning Learning must be seen as a continual reconstruction of experience that considers social, psychological and developmental factors #ukedchat @jayneokell we might want it, but the system doesn't require it! #ukedchat So I could refer to something one day and then again in a week a month a year and the understanding is solid glued/stuck learning #ukedchat RT @dan_bowen: #ukedchat so to teach learning you have to model and help them through the process and the more involved they are the deeper the learning @KempsterD: #ukedchat Recent insights into resilience say it can be taught. Learning is a process but requires action that's interesting @mattpearson well anyways that's a good start for me anyway #ukedchat RT @JOHNSAYERS: Learning involves virtual permanent understanding of something not just a short term gain which is progressive development cycle #ukedchat #ukedchat if you're teaching people to learn presumably you need to remove the instruction slowly #ukedchat Place pupils at the centre of their learning, learn to learn, teach how we learn and play to strengths. RT @KiDu89: Learning must be seen as a continual reconstruction of experience that considers social, psychological and developmental factors #ukedchat RT @KiDu89: Learning must be seen as a continual reconstruction of experience that considers social, psychological and developmental factors #ukedchat

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RT @GiftedPhoenix: OFQUAL's detailed Q and A on the implications of yesterday's changes to GCSE marking and modularity http://t.co/iBAFDnWs #ukedchat #ukedchat My year 8 blog! http://t.co/LwqDusUg Please leave a comment, it'll make their Christmas. Maybe. RT @KiDu89: Learning must be seen as a continual reconstruction of experience that considers social, psychological and developmental factors #ukedchat @davidhunter and whose action us or the pupil?#ukedchat provide opportunities for chld to learn how to learn; equip them with skills to become independent confident life-long learners #ukedchat RT @davidhunter: "@KempsterD: #ukedchat Recent insights into resilience say it can be taught. Learning is a process but requires action" that's interesting @jayneokell @mattpearson call me old school but I like to stick to the basics #ukedchat @Andy__Stokes #ukedchat And I guess on a large scale (GCSE assessment?) it's hard to separate out the two. @Andy__Stokes @jayneokell #ukedchat there must be understanding to move on to next topic especially in maths & science #ukedchat just had a comment from a non teaching friend of mine does the instant availability of google stop learning per se? #ukedchat there are many models of learning but knowledge transfer is 1 of the weakest. I really thrive on doing things and making mistakes RT @stuart_g_brown: #ukedchat don't 'teach' learning, create the best conditions for each pupil to discover how they learn in their own way You learn best when you teach. Let's put students to teach things in small scale ? #ukedchat RT @davidhunter: "@KempsterD: #ukedchat Recent insights into resilience say it can be taught. Learning is a process but requires action" that's interesting

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Am I missing a point within #ukedchat tonight. Children are natural 20:10 learners, from birth. Does the school system drain this away? RT @KiDu89: Learning must be seen as a continual reconstruction of experience that considers social, psychological and 20:10 developmental factors #ukedchat RT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat Place pupils at the centre of their 20:10 learning, learn to learn, teach how we learn and play to strengths. RT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat Place pupils at the centre of their 20:10 learning, learn to learn, teach how we learn and play to strengths. not really able to #ukedchat tonight...tinternet is a bit wobbly. Will 20:10 dip in when I can

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RT @mattpearson: @bucharesttutor the traditional 3rd R is arithmetic (thus subtly undoing the first two in a performative 20:10 paradox) #ukedchat I believe that we can continuously learn and teach them as we long 20:10 to learn and so it's a circle of sorts #ukedchat @SirBlimelyWindy i agree its a great way to move ALL children on in 20:10 their learning no matter of ability! #ukedchat RT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat Place pupils at the centre of their 20:10 learning, learn to learn, teach how we learn and play to strengths. @KiDu89 agreed but i don't see any of that in our current process 20:10 of assessment unfortunately!#ukedchat Learning needs to be unlocked to be chalked off so spoken, written, demonstrated to prove it to self and others #ukedchat If Michael Gove and Nick Gibb had the technology to shut this chat down, I pretty much think they would. Learning= facts (4 them) #ukedchat RT @dughall: #ukedchat Learning is far better modelled than taught. Can you teach learning? Is it not about inspiring, nurturing and encouraging students to learn for themselves. #lifelonglearning #ukedchat @apuustin #ukedchat Kagan's cooperative structures is good for this. I love working with mixed ability groups. RT @stuart_g_brown: #ukedchat don't 'teach' learning, create the best conditions for each pupil to discover how they learn in their own way @bucharesttutor @jayneokell @mattpearson #ukedchat me too. Without basics there can be no further learning modelled or otherwise Of course instant availability of google doesn't stop learning: need to be able to understand, verify & contextualise the info #ukedchat RT @cherrylkd: @Andy__Stokes @jayneokell #ukedchat there must be understanding to move on to next topic especially in maths & science Learning also needs to be proactive as in keeping them challenged with questions all the time so they remain focused always #ukedchat Teaching children to learn is about as necessary as teaching them to breathe.Like all generic skills, it's an excuse to dumb down #ukedchat Now going to put the kids to bed (half an hour late...I will never learn) #ukedchat learning is for wimps. Lol #ukedchat We know lot about WHAT pupils know not about HOW they learn, fundamental to look at cognitive functioning and brain efficiency

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RT @apuustin You learn best when you teach. Let's put students to teach things in small scale #ukedchat YES! Should be a part of all lessons @cherrylkd @andy__stokes #ukedchat Taught in Spain earlier this year on #PGCE placement. Kids lean processes in maths for say long... Gove and Gibb-you are giving the chuckle bros a run for their money! You make me laugh! #ukedchat get up earlier you could do more damage! #ukedchat Innovation unit has some ideas... Worth a read. http://t.co/bmaChoTw

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..lots of ways to learn..on own, peers, groups, practice ..oh and the 20:12 occasional adult telling you what to do..but that's boring. #ukedchat @mattpearson i completely agree. I always feel so disheartened 20:13 reading their views on ed!! #ukedchat @cherrylkd @andy__stokes #ukedchat ...division, but with no 20:13 understanding of basic place value. The answers end up the same. 20:13 @CatherineLeP No string group = #ukedchat! Pre-schoolers come ready-equipped knowing how to learn: it's what they do. Not sure schooling comes so naturally #ukedchat #ukedchat Teaching learning requires the 'teachee' to understand those key aspects and skills you want them to develop and enhance. Learning best surfaced from formative assessment, presentation, solo tax is proving a clear method to unlock WHOLE class learning #ukedchat RT @ICTwitz: Am I missing a point within #ukedchat... Children are natural learners, from birth. Does the school system drain this away? RT @mberry: Pre-schoolers come ready-equipped knowing how to learn: it's what they do. Not sure schooling comes so naturally #ukedchat

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#ukedchat Every pupil processes information in different ways, 30 20:14 pupils all learning same material in many different ways. 20:14 #ukedchat Learning is what is remembered the next day. You can't tell children what you want them to learn, they need to 20:14 tell you #ukedchat @ePaceonline yes that's another nice way, show them the new stuff and maybe compare how they evolved in the years that came 20:14 by #ukedchat RT @jayneokell: @apuustin #ukedchat Kagan's cooperative 20:14 structures is good for this. I love working with mixed ability groups. Docendo discimus - we learn through teaching. Provide opportunities for children to teach & share ideas with lower year 20:14 groups #ukedchat

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RT @AntHeald: Of course instant availability of google doesn't stop learning: need to be able to understand, verify & contextualise the info #ukedchat RT @stuart_g_brown: #ukedchat don't 'teach' learning, create the best conditions for each pupil to discover how they learn in their own way And let students teach us all the time. We both learn and We must show that to students #ukedchat @ICTwitz #ukedchat does school take learning away? maybe it takes the ability to think away - I recommend ken robinson changing paradigm vid RT @mberry: RT @ICTwitz: Am I missing a point within #ukedchat... Children are natural learners, from birth. Does the school system drain this away? RT @apuustin: And let students teach us all the time. We both learn and We must show that to students #ukedchat @jayneokell #ukedchat arriving at correct answer isn't real learning is it? No skill learnt for later life. RT @AntHeald: Of course instant availability of google doesn't stop learning: need to be able to understand, verify & contextualise the info #ukedchat RT @heartofsol: RT @apuustin You learn best when you teach. Let's put students to teach things in small scale #ukedchat YES! Should be a part of all lessons @CarrotyCarrots #ukedchat Would be great if our curriculum wasn't so vast! @SirBlimelyWindy #ukedchat Best learning comes from inspirational & captivating teachers. How do we show we've learn't something? We get excited a tweet is or spread the word about it. #ukedchat RT @mberry Pre-schoolers come ready-equipped knwing how to learn: it's what they do. Not sure schooling comes so naturally #ukedchat so true @mattpearson Maybe in your lessons.... #ukedchat RT @jayneokell: @CarrotyCarrots #ukedchat Would be great if our curriculum wasn't so vast! the best and the fresh ideas come from kids and students not from us #ukedchat RT @stuart_g_brown: #ukedchat don't 'teach' learning, create the best conditions for each pupil to discover how they learn in their own way RT @mberry Am I missing a point within #ukedchat... Children are natural learners, from birth. Does the school system drain this away?> YES

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RT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat Place pupils at the centre of their 20:17 learning, learn to learn, teach how we learn and play to strengths. #ukedchat the google thing was that maybe the instantaneous availability of info means facts are used but not learned, as can re20:17 google

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#ukedchat # Once a pupil knows more about how they learn they become 'learning partners', and begin to take charge of learning process I find telling students the reason or purpose behind activities & techniques, why I chose them, helps them learn how to learn #ukedchat RT @ICTwitz: Sometimes the answer isn't the learning. It's the process of how you got to the answer #ukedchat But our system doesn't promote this :-( @MrsVictorM I wonder. There's so much I've learnt through experiment and discussion with peers, without a 'teacher'. #ukedchat Ok dear people in #ukedchat need to go as otherwise kiddo will not sleep, have a lovely evening all. God Bless all and dear @csgant #ukedchat the Ken Robinson speech on changing paradigms is here recomended http://t.co/99znQFch RT @apuustin: the best and the fresh ideas come from kids and students not from us #ukedchat @KiDu89 #ukedchat agree. Early numeracy strategy starter was based on this, worked well for lower ability. Learnt from higher ability Sometimes the answer isn't the learning. It's the process of how you got to the answer #ukedchat But our system doesn't promote this :( @ePaceonline Not true. http://t.co/zSYMjbdd #ukedchat

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also modelling how I personally learn new things encourages them 20:19 to think more about how they learn #ukedchat @Andy__Stokes #ukedchat maybe because they have no 20:19 understanding of place value. Seriously, it's a tough topic tonight @ICTwitz I think that's because it's not true. #ukedchat We actually 20:19 need to know stuff, not just how to find out stuff. RT @ICTwitz: Sometimes the answer isn't the learning. It's the process of how you got to the answer #ukedchat But our system 20:19 doesn't promote this :-( RT @CarrotyCarrots: You can't tell children what you want them to 20:19 learn, they need to tell you #ukedchat Surely the best learning takes place when children don't realise they 20:19 are learning? #ukedchat 20:20 @oldandrewuk Don't they go hand in hand? #ukedchat RT @JOHNSAYERS: Teach a variety of methods of how to unlock learning and then reduce the teacher input and hopefully see 20:20 students flourish. #ukedchat RT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat # Once a pupil knows more about how they learn they become 'learning partners', and begin to take 20:20 charge of learning process

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Teach a variety of methods of how to unlock learning and then reduce the teacher input and hopefully see students flourish. #ukedchat Bloom's #UKEdChat #ukedchat @mberry Miles is right, chldrn are natural learners and school bashes this out of them. However, teachers can enhance nat lrning They've asked me to recommend another book for them; I feel pressured because Woman in Black is SO fantastic. Any ideas twitter? #ukedchat

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One answer is to provide the tools (eg audacity +mic) some web 20:21 space...lots of ENTHUSIASM and then stand back... #ukedchat Learning happens for two reasons: either you WANT to or you HAVE 20:21 to. But do both require different methods as well? #ukedchat #ukedchat Memorable, meaningful and motivational learning using 20:21 the outdoors; in adventure and exploration. RT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat # Once a pupil knows more about how they learn they become 'learning partners', and begin to take 20:21 charge of learning process @CarrotyCarrots Saying "surely" before a dubious claim doesn't 20:21 make it more credible. #ukedchat @ICTwitz In many cases,yes, but certain teaching methods eg mantle of the expert& forest schools are trying 2 change this 20:22 #ukedchat @KempsterD @mberry #ukedchat Children are natural learners, but 20:22 schools also make children think, and that's less natural. @KempsterD 'enhance' would be cool, but 'permit' would be a 20:22 start. Part of our role is broadening horizons. #ukedchat @CarrotyCarrots no far from it. #ofsted need students to 20:22 understand what, why, how, they are learning... #UKEdChat @SirBlimelyWindy #ukedchat possibly depends on reason for googling. If interest is there they will learn, if not they re google. #ukedchat sorry, reading a lot of wonderful tweets here - keep it up got a related question at 8:30 RT @Andy__Stokes: Thought mind mapping might be useful for year 11 revision ? "But we don't need to understand sir just remember" #ukedchat @susiehiley Indeed, and the EYFS. It all goes messy from KS1 onwards ;-) #ukedchat @ukedchat Capacity 2 learn inherent -teachers mst inspire n allow thort n reflection rather than loads of info. #ukedchat #justmyopinion Children are learning all the time. I could have 100 WALTs and WILFs for every lesson. #ukedchat

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Find new learning environment where students are naturally, 20:23 Facebook, cafes, homes, Friends #ukedchat RT @JOHNSAYERS: Teach a lots of methods of how to unlock learning & then reduce the teacher input. #ukedchat <- More time 4 20:23 teacher learning @cherrylkd Highlights importance of mixed ability work & should be emphasised to those that focus TOO much on task differentiation 20:23 #ukedchat @oldandrewuk or indeed with exam board or those schools 20:24 that focus on league table points. @kempsterd #ukedchat #ukedchat Think it's fundamental for pupils to understand learning process and how they learn. Great teaching lost without great 20:24 learning. RT @Andy__Stokes: @jayneokell precisely my point understanding 20:24 seems arbitrary so long as the answer is right #ukedchat I'm trying to read all the #ukedchat tweets but my eyes aren't really 20:24 working properly. It may be nearly time for bed RT @oldandrewuk @mberry #ukedchat Children are natural learners, but schools also make children think, and that's less 20:24 natural. > Is it?? @ICTwitz #ukedchat Not with children, no. There's far more basic 20:24 knowledge than "finding out skills" to learn. RT @Andy__Stokes: @cherrylkd if that's true then why do so many 20:24 A star students drop out at A level because its too hard!#ukedchat RT @CarrotyCarrots: Children are learning all the time. I could have 100 WALTs and WILFs for every lesson. #ukedchat RT @apuustin: You learn best when you teach. Let's put students to teach things in small scale ? #ukedchat One strategy I love is giving students ICT programs/web2.0 sites to students to EXPLORE, present findings n evaluate use to self #ukedchat Research into peer tutoring shows that yp in role of ZpT learn as much if not more than tutees because they get the process more #ukedchat RT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat Think it's fundamental for pupils to understand learning process and how they learn. Great teaching lost without great learning. RT @ViciaScience: Teach children how to learn by modelling the process for them. Discuss your own ongoing professional learning #ukedchat @CarrotyCarrots #ukedchat are we back to the EYFS again? They learn very well through play with peers. Peers as teachers and learners

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RT @Andy__Stokes: @SirBlimelyWindy do we teach learners to learn, or do we create the conditions for them to teach 20:25 themselves? #ukedchat #ukedchat Involve pupils in their own learning. Teaching and 20:25 learning need to be symbiotic. RT @apuustin: Find learning environment where students are naturally, Facebook, cafes, homes, Friends #ukedchat < Engage 20:25 without barriers @apuustin: You learn best when you teach. Let's put students 20:25 to teach things in small scale! #ukedchat #edchat #education 20:25 @Andy__Stokes #ukedchat my next question is related to that Teach children how to learn by modelling the process for them. 20:25 Discuss your own ongoing professional learning #ukedchat #ukedchat 'Thinking caps on' a well repeated phrase in class. I say, 20:26 they should never be taken off! ;-) @Andy__Stokes #ukedchat well creating the conditions involves 20:26 teaching the learning skills I think If youre interested in peer tutoring My latest blogpost The Power of 20:26 Peer Tutoring wp.me/p1L0eE-i #ukedchat RT @AntHeald: Of course instant availability of google doesn't stop learning: need to be able to understand, verify & contextualise the 20:26 info #ukedchat @ePaceonline without great learning, not sure that it could 20:26 reasonably be described as great teaching. #ukedchat @ePaceonline #ukedchat But most teachers don't even understand that.Many believe in "learning styles" or that children learn more 20:26 when happy RT @SirBlimelyWindy: #ukedchat the Ken Robinson speech on changing paradigms is here - recomended http://t.co/99znQFch sorry just realised id been using the wrong hashtag derrr!!! #ukedchat RT @Theresauno: @ukedchat Capacity 2 learn inherent -teachers mst inspire n allow thort n reflection rather than loads of info. #ukedchat RT @apuustin And let students teach us all the time. We both learn and We must show that to students #ukedchat

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20:26 @oldandrewuk Wow. #ukedchat How could I have got it so wrong? RT @KempsterD: #ukedchat 'Thinking caps on' a well repeated 20:27 phrase in class. I say, they should never be taken off! ;-) teachers should imagine students age. What areas are They 20:27 interested and link teaching to that #ukedchat 20:27 @mattpearson true but i still dont understand! 'ukedchat

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@heartofsol In a way yes -different methods of motivation. 'Want to' is not as dependent on extrinsic motivation as the 'have to'. #ukedchat @oldandrewuk do you think unhappy children learn better than happy ones (serious question) #ukedchat @ICTwitz #ukedchat Presumably, you have just never thought to challenge trendy ideas. @Andy__Stokes there you go, you learned something. Easy as that!! :-) #ukedchat RT @apuustin: You learn best when you teach. Let's put students to teach things in small scale ? #ukedchat

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@oldandrewuk I'm enlightened, my head must have been stuck in 20:28 the sands of child centred learning all these years ;-) #ukedchat 20:28 @KempsterD @mberry #ukedchat Yes. Google "Dan Willingham". RT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat Involve pupils in their own learning. 20:28 Teaching and learning need to be symbiotic. Sorry just joining #ukedchat late ... We try to lift the process of 20:28 learning up so that it's visible - make it explicit! @TeacherToolkit Is it important that a 4yo need to be constantly aware of what they are learning? Can't they just get on with it? 20:29 #ukedchat @schoolsict @johnsayers mantle of the expert/enquiries have much less teacher input #ukedchat teacher can observe, assess and 20:29 question RT @ufasarah: If youre interested in peer tutoring My latest 20:29 blogpost The Power of Peer Tutoring wp.me/p1L0eE-i #ukedchat #ukedchat ok, does the curriculum narrow the required 'knowledge' 20:29 purely to that required to pass the exam? should we challenge this? RT @JOHNSAYERS: One strategy I love is giving students ICT programs/web2.0 sites to students to EXPLORE, present findings n 20:29 evaluate use to self #ukedchat RT @SirBlimelyWindy: #ukedchat ok, does the curriculum narrow 20:30 the required 'knowledge' purely to that required to pass the exam? As teacher ask good questions to lead towards knowledge in the 20:30 Socratic style; #ukedchat @oldandrewuk #ukedchat teachers should know about whole learning process & pedagogy, how can we teach if we don't know 20:30 how pupils learn? @SirBlimelyWindy #ukedchat That's only an issue in schools where the kids learn so little that they won't pass the exam without that 20:30 focus. Is teaching learning in one direction and is researching learning in 20:30 any direction? #ukedchat

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RT @mberry: RT @ICTwitz: Am I missing a point within #ukedchat... Children are natural learners, from birth. Does the school system drain this away? It could be brilliant teamwork. get know your students and their strenghts #ukedchat RT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat # Once a pupil knows more about how they learn they become 'learning partners', and begin to take charge of learning process RT @SirBlimelyWindy #ukedchat ok, does the curriculum narrow the required 'knowledge' should we challenge this? > every day in every way... RT @CarrotyCarrots: You can't tell children what you want them to learn, they need to tell you #ukedchat <eh? How are they supposed to know? RT @mberry: RT @Theresauno: @ukedchat Capacity 2 learn inherent -teachers mst inspire n allow thort n reflection rather than loads of info. #ukedchat

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20:31 RT @SirBlimelyWindy: #ukedchat should we challenge this? @SirBlimelyWindy does it? or do they already have the skills? 20:31 #ukedchat RT @schoolsict: Is teaching learning in one direction and is 20:31 researching learning in any direction? #ukedchat @oldandrewuk unless one knows about him already? ;-) Of course, I'm Piscean and thus sceptical about arbitrary categories. #ukedchat @SirBlimelyWindy no, but teachers', schools' and govt.' concern over league tables might #ukedchat @ePaceonline #ukedchat I agree. But the biggest problem is misinformation and snake oil. Teachers are lied to about psychology of learning. RT @apuustin: @mattbuxton10: As teacher ask good questions to lead towards knowledge in the Socratic style; #ukedchat Excellent ! #ukedchat anyone done any research into teachers as agents in the classroom? @mattbuxton10: As teacher ask good questions to lead towards knowledge in the Socratic style; #ukedchat Excellent ! @ukedchat indeed we should! Dead Poets Society here we go !! #ukedchat @apuustin what if questions led to more questions and the knowledge was merely a bi product? #ukedchat RT @JOHNSAYERS: Learning involves virtual permanent understanding of something not just a short term gain which is progressive development cycle #ukedchat

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@cherrylkd #ukedchat They have learned the process but have no understanding of why it works. That's the difference between the 20:33 two. RT @ViciaScience: Teach children how to learn by modelling the process for them. Discuss your own ongoing professional learning 20:33 #ukedchat #ukedchat it's important we teach children skills of a good learner. 20:34 Being inquisitive, curious, interested in learning new facts! #ukedchat If u take the BLP 4 areas of learning it's as gd a place 2 20:34 start with a class/school. Then build on it but dnt do it to be trendy @CarrotyCarrots I agree. Learning is about self-awareness engaging in society not just mimicking it #ukedchat 20:34 @TeacherToolkit Sorry not to be joining y'all for #ukedchat this eve - looks like a good 20:34 one! Will be catching up later this weeked :) Enjoy! @apuustin @mattbuxton10 #ukedchat According to Plato, Socrates often used questioning to humiliate people while his students 20:34 watched. Is it possible for a teacher and his class to learn something new 20:34 together? With both parties on almost equal footing? #ukedchat RT @teachitso: #ukedchat Learning is what is remembered the next 20:34 day. RT @ePaceonline: @oldandrewuk #ukedchat what is your experience of teachers being 'lied to' about the psychology of 20:35 learning? 20:35 Hi from Brazil #ukedchat ! RT @Theresauno: @CarrotyCarrots I agree. Learning is about selfawareness - engaging in society not just mimicking it #ukedchat 20:35 @TeacherToolkit @oldandrewuk #ukedchat what is your experience of teachers 20:35 being 'lied to' about the psychology of learning? RT @ICTwitz: Sometimes the answer isn't the learning. It's the process of how you got to the answer #ukedchat But our system 20:35 doesn't promote this :-( @heartofsol now were talking that's teaching learning skills!! 20:35 #ukedchat @heartofsol #ukedchat Only if the teacher is really, really bad at 20:35 their subject. @heartofsol #ukedchat it is with digital technology. Lots of new 20:36 things to discover almost daily teacher & class could do together #ukedchat narrows the knowledge for the exam? It narrows opportunities for children to experiment with learning 20:36 @sirblimelywindy 20:36 @heartofsol #ukedchat gained an insight into their culture.

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a teacher never knows everything and should be prepared to learn 20:36 #ukedchat @heartofsol #ukedchat Definitely. I did a series of lessons on Islam 20:36 with y1 chn. Lots of them shared their experiences of Eid and I. @heartofsol easy in primary classroom, that's often how I teach 20:36 (topics, can do the maths of course, they're only 6!) #ukedchat @SirBlimelyWindy: a teacher never knows everything and should be prepared to learn #ukedchat definitely! love learning 20:37 alongside children Check Team Academy http://t.co/naWbKz57 in Finland, 4 year of 20:37 #pbl for students there #pbl #pblchat #edchat #ukedchat #cpchat 20:37 On a PGCE Year when should you start looking for a job? #ukedchat RT @SirBlimelyWindy: a teacher never knows everything and should 20:37 be prepared to learn #ukedchat @Andy__Stokes @heartofsol #ukedchat but as a teacher, your 20:37 skills need to change and adapt constantly. RT @creativeartsco: #ukedchat narrows the knowledge for the exam? It narrows opportunities for children to experiment with 20:37 learning @sirblimelywindy @sirblimelywindy It doesn't have to. You can teach what's needed for the exam wrapped up in challenging stuff. Don't use txt bks 20:37 #ukedchat @oldandrewuk #ukedchat this in my opinion is not a good way of bringing out the best in pupils, see it a form of bullying Socrates or 20:37 not. @heartofsol I believe so - each child is an individual n we r all 20:37 constantly learning IMO #ukedchat @ukedchat RT @SirBlimelyWindy: a teacher never knows everything and should be prepared to learn #ukedchat < so true but i know so many that 20:37 wont. Never humiliete student or you lose the game. Allways two winners 20:38 #ukedchat RT @jackieschneider: @ePaceonline @oldandrewuk - you should read @bengoldacre on the rubbish pedalled in "accelerated 20:38 learning' #ukedchat @KempsterD #ukedchat , I agree BLP an excellent way forward. Please also look at ePace, it looks at how pupils learn with online 20:38 assessment. Good point @KiDu89 - want or need? which will led to "better" 20:38 learning, and how do we take advantage of it? #ukedchat @ePaceonline Learning Styles; Brain Gym; BLP; inquiry learning; groupwork, (most forms of) Bloom's taxonomy; thinking skills. 20:38 #ukedchat @apuustin does it? or when we find an answer do we not just stop 20:38 looking and move on? #ukedchat

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@ePaceonline @oldandrewuk - you should read @bengoldacre on 20:38 the rubbish pedalled in "accelerated learning' #ukedchat RT @SirBlimelyWindy teacher never knows everything & should be prepared to learn #ukedchat < review tonight's tweets with teacher 20:38 as learner RT @ePaceonline: @oldandrewuk #ukedchat teachers should know about whole learning process & pedagogy, how can we teach if we 20:38 don't know how pupils learn? RT @Andy__Stokes: @apuustin what if questions led to more 20:38 questions and the knowledge was merely a bi product? #ukedchat RT @SirBlimelyWindy: a teacher never knows everything and should 20:38 be prepared to learn #ukedchat @oldandrewuk #ukedchat, it would seem that because you don't believe in these approaches that they are lies, they are all legitimate 20:39 methods @oldandrewuk Unable to work out whether you are joking or not 20:39 #ukedchat Playing devils advocate to encourage discussion? RT @schoolsict:RT @SirBlimelyWindy:a teacher never knows everything and should be prepared to learn #ukedchat <i know so 20:39 many that wont:Same #ukedchat there's a quote from Redington (I think!) that says that you can join with your pupils but always be one step ahead... RT @SheliBB: @SirBlimelyWindy: a teacher never knows everything and should be prepared to learn #ukedchat definitely! love learning alongside children RT @Heatherleatt: It doesn't have to. You can teach what's needed for the exam wrapped up in challenging stuff. Don't use txt bks #ukedchat RT @literacylender: #ukedchat it's important we teach children skills of a good learner. Being inquisitive, curious, interested in learning new facts! #ukedchat children always surprised when you admit as an adult you are always learning! RT @apuustin: Never humiliete student or you lose the game. Allways two winners #ukedchat @ePaceonline @oldandrewuk Didnt see much bullying in The Republic, just using questions 2 lead towards new knowledge/understanding #ukedchat @ePaceonline #ukedchat I tend to agree, which is why it winds me up when people go on about "Socratic method" having never read The Republic I think that Higher Level thinking skills are a pre-requisite, aren't they? Then pupils will challenge #ukedchat

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@literacylender I agree. I make out that I don't know much, being 20:41 part of pupils learning adventure #ukedchat 20:41 Now to bed. it was Great discussions. Thank you all ! #ukedchat RT @SirBlimelyWindy: a teacher never knows everything and should 20:41 be prepared to learn #ukedchat RT @ePaceonline #ukedchat , I agree BLP an excellent way forward. 20:41 Please also look at ePace.... > will do. Thanks #ukedchat - seems a funny old discussion tonight. Finding it hard to 20:41 get a handle on it @SirBlimelyWindy #ukedchat Something wrong if they are having 20:41 to learn subject knowledge from their students. I give students access to a learning and teaching blog and various 20:41 tech / program news sites to almost find ideas before me #ukedchat @MrsVictorM not sure Pied Piper is quite the role model for the 20:41 profession we should have in mind ;-) #ukedchat @mberry so we just play the game then !! Is this really why we all 20:41 went into teaching?#ukedchat RT @ukedchat: RT @SirBlimelyWindy: a teacher never knows 20:42 everything and should be prepared to learn #ukedchat @oldandrewuk there are many situations where a teacher & class will be new to a topic - nothing to do with "bad" at a subject 20:42 #ukedchat Students write programs web2.0 tools on windows with whiteboard pens for others to explore for ALL to experiment #ukedchat @oldandrewuk #ukedchat of course not subject knowledge, but if there is a new way of looking at sth, maybe T and S can explore together #ukedchat it's all about learning @mattbuxton10 @ePaceonline #ukedchat Have you read it? He didn't get made to drink hemlock because they appreciated being taught. @heartofsol The 'want' will lead to better learning. If u dont want to do something, u put less effort into it thus get less out. #ukedchat @ukedchat @sirblimelywindy too many teachers feel that they *have* to be the expert. Why? Need to change that kind of thinking #ukedchat Nyt pinnalla: #ukedchat #ukedchat @oldandrewuk @sirblimelywindy if its not their own subject the ch may have superior knowledge. Cultural differences, religion etc

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RT @ICTwitz: Am I missing a point within #ukedchat tonight. Children are natural learners, from birth. Does the school system 20:43 drain this away? @dukkhaboy @johnsayers http://t.co/4ReoKBBh scroll down a wee bit to see what I did, too long to tweet! #ukedchat RT @Heatherleatt: #ukedchat it's all about learning @PrimaryIdeas @literacylender theres a chat about how to facilitate learning on #ukedchat now... Hopefully will turn out quite interesting @ICTwitz - I couldn't agree more. Kids often learn DESPITE school not because of it #ukedchat I have never met a child who doesn't want to learn...they just don't always want to learn what I/the curriculum want them to! #ukedchat @ePaceonline @apuustin these are precisely the benefits of assessment for learning. #A4learn #ukedchat #edchat #ukedchat I give my class the opportunity to teach me something new.Short session each week,but children love fact they teach me new things @Andy__Stokes not me, but I suspect it's why some leave the profession :-( Open minded heads and gifted teachers make a difference #ukedchat @dukkhaboy @johnsayers I do know kodu well though (made @GameOfThrones word!) but you don't need to as there are tutorials #ukedchat

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#ukedchat Dan Buckley did some great work on the breaking down 20:44 of the PLTS. It sort of disappeared though. Is it still out there? @MrsVictorM Yes indeed. Don't dispute that gifted, inspirational, 20:45 captivating teachers have a huge impact. #ukedchat @jackieschneider Excellent #ukedchat We try to compartmentalise 20:45 pupils as soon as they step through the door! 20:45 @SirBlimelyWindy text books? #ukedchat RT @jodieworld: I have never met a child who doesn't want to learn...they just don't always want to learn what I/the curriculum 20:45 want them to! #ukedchat @SheliBB how important is it for students to know that their 20:45 teacher is still learning things? Very or very very?? #ukedchat So has ANYONE tweeted anything useful on #L2L Learning To Learn 20:45 tonight? #ukedchat @Heatherleatt true but does our system of examinations genuinely 20:45 imply a variety of answers ? #ukedchat Sutton Trust report recently claimed children learning to learn made 20:46 a huge impact on their academic progress. Vital. #ukedchat

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RT @jodieworld: I have never met a child who doesn't want to learn...they just don't always want to learn what I/the curriculum want them to! #ukedchat @TeacherToolkit Apparently, it's all a load of rubbish #ukedchat So say @oldandrewuk RT @jodieworld I have never met a child who doesn't want to learn...they just don't always want to learn what..... #ukedchat > so true Finally can join the last 15 mins of #ukedchat. What is todays topic please? @cherrylkd @sirblimelywindy #ukedchat which is why subject specialisms are so important. @Heatherleatt yep - textbooks are a tool for occasional use - not the bible, as it were #ukedchat @heartofsol Take adv by asking chn what they want to learn when introducing any new topic & how they think they'll learn it best #ukedchat @heartofsol Take adv by asking chn what they want to learn when introducing any new topic & how they think they'll learn it best #ukedchat @mberry they do but all to often face the challenges of performativity, constantly compromising on core beliefs and values#ukedchat RT @KiDu89: @heartofsol Take adv by asking chn what they want to learn when introducing any new topic & how they think they'll learn it best #ukedchat @heartofsol #ukedchat Teachers should not be new to a topic. If they are, there is something wrong with the topic or the teacher. @literacylender @ePaceonline we should model those skills. I regularly tell my children that I love learning, reading, maths etc #ukedchat @Andy__Stokes the exams don't but doesn't mean that teachers shouldn't #ukedchat RT @KiDu89: @heartofsol Take adv by asking chn what they want to learn when introducing any new topic & how they think they'll learn it best #ukedchat RT @SheliBB: @ukedchat @sirblimelywindy too many teachers feel that they *have* to be the expert. Why? Need to change that kind of thinking #ukedchat

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RT @ICTwitz: @literacylender I agree. I make out that I don't know 20:48 much, being part of pupils learning adventure #ukedchat RT @literacylender: #ukedchat I give my class the opportunity to teach me something new.Short session each week,but children love 20:49 fact they teach me new things @KiDu89 ok, so WANT is better. How do we get kids to want to 20:49 learn the lessons currently being taught? #ukedchat

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@SheliBB @literacylender @epaceonline #ukedchat Met a head who would get a book out when his class had quiet reading time to encourage kids. @ICTwitz @TeacherToolkit #ukedchat It is. It's all just dumbingdown wrapped up jargon. http://t.co/3jKHagJi @oldandrewuk #ukedchat but subject specialism is not compulsory in primary. Can't be master of all 11 subjects no matter how good a teacher @oldandrewuk @heartofsol Couldn't disagree more. Teachers need only be one step ahead of pupils. Always new things to teach/learn. #ukedchat @ePaceonline #ukedchat They are lies because they misrepresent basic facts of psychology. RT @GiftedPhoenix: OFQUAL's detailed Q and A on the implications of yesterday's changes to GCSE marking and modularity http://t.co/iBAFDnWs #ukedchat

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#ukedchat I still see far too much didactic teaching and it is going to 20:50 get worse under Gove. I despair sometimes. Education factories... @cherrylkd @oldandrewuk #ukedchat But speaking as a specialist in pri, I want to have a class and get to know them. This is why I 20:50 teach pri. RT @cherrylkd: @oldandrewuk #ukedchat but subject specialism is not compulsory in primary. Can't be master of all 11 subjects no 20:50 matter how good a teacher @ICTwitz: Sometimes the answer isn't the learning. It's the process of how you got to the answer #ukedchat all about league 20:50 tables sadly Feedback to pupils leads to new learning and helps both teachers & 20:50 learners to take further steps when planning. #ukedchat @oldandrewuk @ePaceonline Yes I've read it; and I don't recall him 20:50 being killed for being a bully #ukedchat @heartofsol very very very! They should grow up knowing that 20:50 learning is lifelong, that no~one is expert at everything #ukedchat I like to find things out with the children i.e. Y3 - Ancient Egypt. But top set Y5 maths you HAVE to know your stuff! #ukedchat @SirBlimelyWindy a teacher never knows everything and should be prepared to learn #ukedchat I often ask em t teach me other subject learning @ICTwitz #ukedchat I know it's hard to believe, but some teachers are capable of challenging jargon and gimmicks. Thus, planning and assessment are interdependent processes. #ukedchat RT @heartofsol: @SheliBB how important is it for students to know that their teacher is still learning things? Very or very very?? #ukedchat

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@literacylender my reception class love it when I get things wrong! They take great pride in correcting my mistakes :) #ukedchat RT @Educationchat: Sutton Trust report recently claimed children learning to learn made a huge impact on their academic progress. Vital. #ukedchat @oldandrewuk can you not join in with your chdn on research? What if u discover something new - do u cont tht research or move on #ukedchat RT @literacylender: #ukedchat I give my class the opportunity to teach me something new.Short session each week,but children love fact they teach me new things the chat this evening illuminated something of the mystery about what gets learned (or not) at school. #ukedchat @heartofsol : The skillful art of manipulation through effective engage? #ukedchat RT @Jon_Torbitt: @ICTwitz: Sometimes the answer isn't the learning. It's the process of how you got to the answer #ukedchat all about league tables sadly RT @KiDu89 RT @cherrylkd: @oldandrewuk #ukedchat but subject specialism is not compulsory in primary.> how did subjects come about and why? @jodieworld that's why I love :D #earlyyears! #ukedchat

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@jayneokell #ukedchat I'm sure u do. But can u honestly say u 20:52 know everything about the subjects u don't specialise in ? @educationchat was tht thru learn2learn, experiential learning...? 20:52 How'd they go about it? #ukedchat RT @KempsterD: #ukedchat I still see far too much didactic teaching and it is going to get worse under Gove. I despair 20:52 sometimes. Education factories... @heartofsol It's all in the level of enthusiasm shown by the teacher 20:52 in the delivery of the lesson. Kids feed off of our energy #ukedchat @jayneokell @literacylender @epaceonline I usually do art, DT, writing and research alongside the children #ukedchat and if course 20:52 drama! 20:53 @KiDu89 so it all comes back to effective engagement? #ukedchat Give a 14 year old boy an icing pen #ukedchat learning through 20:53 doinghttp://yfrog.com/h3m69kij @mattbuxton10 @ePaceonline #ukedchat Never said it was bullying. He was humiliating the powerful. Just don't want it done to 20:53 kids. @KiDu89: It's all in level of enthusiasm shown by the teacher in delivery of lesson. Kids feed off of our energy #ukedchat Totally 20:53 agree! @jodieworld couldnt agree more! But could is also be to do with 20:53 the Learning style you're utilising? #ukedchat

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@Educationchat #ukedchat - indeed learning to learn is highlighted 20:53 as one of the things that work in Sutton Report. @literacylender my reception class love it when I get things wrong! They take great pride in correcting my mistakes :) #ukedchat > 20:53 Ditto! @Educationchat @oldandrewuk I agree, I often learn with the children, it makes them feel special when they tell me new things 20:53 #ukedchat @sonicwaffled Hahaha! But you need an in-depth Lego knowledge 20:53 to really accelerate their learning! ;-) #ukedchat 20:53 @oldandrewuk It's all a battle to survive #ukedchat When you teach through mante of the expert the children lead the direction of the learning, so you cannot be the expert #ukedchat @agarridodiez #ukedchat Really? Interesting - @shelibb @oldandrewuk should teachers be experts or is ok if they are not? #ukedchat RT @jodieworld: I like to find things out with the children eg Y3 Ancient Egypt. But top set Y5 maths you HAVE to know your stuff! #ukedchat RT @Andy__Stokes: @KiDu89 so it all comes back to effective engagement? #ukedchat @creativeartsco I think it's more about having secure subject knowledge which allows me to cater for all learning styles #ukedchat

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@oldandrewuk I dont think its possible for a teacher to know 20:54 everything. I also think its ok to learn from students. #ukedchat And mantle of the expert assumes that the children *are*the 20:54 experts #ukedchat #rolereversal Learning about the process of learning is crucial. And each new learning experience means you learn more about learning & 20:54 yourself #ukedchat @sheliBB mantle of the expert is a wonderful tool... Some are shy of the technique though and I'd love to know why... #ukedchat @oldandrewuk I also think its fine if you are corrected by your students if you make a mistake. Gives them precious confidence #ukedchat @ufasarah implicitly or explicitly?#ukedchat RT @ufasarah: Learning about the process of learning is crucial. And each new learning experience means you learn more about learning & yourself #ukedchat #ukedchat Second section of this give my views on learning to learn http://t.co/3jKHagJi RT @KempsterD: #ukedchat I still see far too much didactic teaching and it is going to get worse under Gove. I despair sometimes. Education factories...

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RT @jodieworld: like 2 find things out with children i.e. Y3 Ancient Egypt. But top set Y5 maths u HAVE to know your stuff! 20:55 #ukedchat There will be no official #ukedchat discussion next week. #asechat 20:55 takes over #ukedchat on 29 Dec. Vote open http://t.co/2N9vieTU @oldandrewuk @ICTwitz And some think things which are not jargon and gimmicks are jargon and gimmicks. #ukedchat RT @agarridodiez: Feedback to pupils leads to new learning and helps both teachers & learners to take further steps when planning. #ukedchat @sonicwaffled #ukedchat it always returns to EYFS. They have it spot on there RT @AntHeald: RT @CarrotyCarrots: You can't tell children what you want them to learn, they need to tell you #ukedchat <eh? How are they supposed to know? @heartofsol @oldandrewuk ofsted have been in my classroom 4 times and seen the children leading and me almost twiddling my thumbs #ukedchat @SheliBB I dont want them to enter my room and focus on me I want me to focus on them and share to the world via blogging #ukedchat

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@agarridodiez is assessment controlled too much by the NC? Does 20:57 this the have an impact on the learners themselves? #ukedchat @KempsterD #ukedchat. I am sure you've seen Ken Robinson's 20:57 Paradigm on You Tube. 20:57 #ukedchat Can I thank everyone for such a stimulating discussion? Bakhtin would say that true learning is not 'finalizable' - learning 20:57 should lead to further questions not 'final' answers. #ukedchat @creativeartsco maybe down to their own experience of school, or teacher training? Or maybe it's personality? #ukedchat RT @cherrylkd: @sonicwaffled #ukedchat it always returns to EYFS. They have it spot on there GibbWe are taking action to end years of .... underperformance in some primary schools. Yes I've seen some poor nativity plays! #ukedchat @creativeartsco Read it here: Page 27 explains.... http://t.co/Xov0hEgi #ukedchat @JOHNSAYERS me too! :) #ukedchat RT @SheliBB: When you teach through mante of the expert the children lead the direction of the learning, so you cannot be the expert #ukedchat @creativeartsco only in so much as it determines the teaching?#ukedchat

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RT @jodieworld: I have never met a child who doesn't want to learn...they just don't always want to learn what I/the curriculum 20:58 want them to! #ukedchat Teachmeet South London #tmslondon on 1st March 2012 in Croydon. Sign up here http://t.co/QQoAZ9IC Would love to see you 20:58 there. #ukedchat RT @ePaceonline: @KempsterD #ukedchat. I am sure you've seen 20:58 Ken Robinson's Paradigm on You Tube. < I linked to it earlier @cherrylkd #ukedchat No I can't say that. I'm an NQT so my knowledge in geog and hist in particular is not good. It will improve 20:58 as I RT @oldandrewuk @heartofsol Couldn't disagree more. Teachers 20:58 need to be one step ahead of pupils #ukedchat agree or disagree? RT @Heatherleatt: Got to stop edu being like a sausage factory kids deserve so much better and it's soul destroying for teachers. 20:58 #ukedchat @heartofsol #ukedchat Everyone makes mistakes. By contrast 20:59 ignorance on the part of the teacher is not excusable. RT @ufasarah: Learning about the process of learning is crucial. And each new learning experience means you learn more about learning 20:59 & yourself #ukedchat Right, that's just about it - much food for thought #ukedchat will try 20:59 to summarise it faithfully @sheliBB interesting - I've wondered those points too! Do you think teachers are willing to try dramatic/artistic techniques? #ukedchat @cherrylkd #ukedchat I gain more experience. RT @ePaceonline @KempsterD #ukedchat. I am sure you've seen Ken Robinson's Paradigm on You Tube. > I have indeed. All should watch. RT @CarrotyCarrots: "@literacylender my reception class love it when I get things wrong! They take great pride in correcting my mistakes :) "#ukedchat > Ditto! RT @Educationchat: Sutton Trust report recently claimed children learning to learn made a huge impact on their academic progress. Vital. #ukedchat @SheliBB @heartofsol #ukedchat Which is why OFSTED have very little credibility. RT @jodieworld: I like to find things out with the children i.e. Y3 Ancient Egypt. But top set Y5 maths you HAVE to know your stuff! #ukedchat @KempsterD #ukedchat Brilliant isn't it? @ukedchat right... will try and write up a report - lots to cover! Is the archiving etc done by you?

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@KiDu89 great to ask kids what they want to learn - but where do you get the time to do this? Logistically hard to do #ukedchat @oldandrewuk And here's official research: Read page 27. http://t.co/Xov0hEgi #ukedchat @heartofsol #ukedchat - totally agree with you. @SirBlimelyWindy many thanks for moderating such an interesting topic #ukedchat It's 9pm. Many thanks to @SirBlimelyWindy for hosting #ukedchat See the links & the archive will be published at http://t.co/qUanPkyC @SirBlimelyWindy Off now. Thanks for hosting Neil. In the words of Sid James 'Carry on Learning' #ukedchat @creativeartsco @agarridodiez #ukedchat Learning can't be learner led as there are things we have to do and need to get good coverage. RT @Educationchat: Sutton Trust report recently claimed children learning to learn made a huge impact on their academic progress. Vital. #ukedchat If you havent already seen @globalearner presentation at the @theschoolsnet conf then please watch bit.ly/rQpE5g YP need purpose #ukedchat @SirBlimelyWindy Thanks for tonight's #ukedchat. @SirBlimelyWindy Yes, and thank you #ukedchat @Educationchat @ePaceonline #ukedchat Probably easier if you just buy Dan Willingham's book.

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heartofsol JRP_Penguin SheliBB

21:01 @SirBlimelyWindy thanks for a great thurs evening #ukedchat 21:01 @ukedchat thanks and night all :) @Andy__Stokes Of course. A child will want to be involved in 21:01 something if it looks fun & exciting. #ukedchat @creativeartsco lots are keen to use drama when they see it in 21:01 action #ukedchat @heartofsol I do it at the start of every new topic, just as you would to find out what they already know. Short 15 min discussion 21:02 #ukedchat 21:02 @Heatherleatt #ukedchat Yes, Yes, Yes!! @ePaceonline @heartofsol i second that!! if we are encouraging lifelong learning why shouldn't we as teachers still be learning! 21:02 #ukedchat @KempsterD @KiDu89 @cherrylkd #ukedchat Came about because most knowledge is naturally divisible into disciplines. Read Paul 21:02 Hirst. RT @oldandrewuk @heartofsol #ukedchat Everyone makes mistakes. By contrast ignorance on the part of the teacher is not 21:02 excusable > AGREED #ukedchat another interesting mix of rational reflections and utterly 21:02 meaningless consultant-babble. @MaxHopewell @johnsayers free programming tool from 21:03 Microsoft. It's fab. Create own games easily #ukedchat

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mattbuxton10 creativeartsco

jayneokell SirBlimelyWindy jayneokell KempsterD Heatherleatt ePaceonline

oldandrewuk

21:03 #ukedchat @globalearner Q 'who owns the learning' is crucial @KiDu89 but what if its not? Then why do they engage? 21:03 Relationship? #ukedchat If Miss Jean Brodie was real, she'd be spreading her ideas on 21:03 #ukedchat 21:03 @creativeartsco #Ukedchat. My feeling is yes it does. @oldandrewuk @ePaceonline Who would?Using questions 2 kids rather than direct instruction 2lead2new understanding isnt 21:03 humiliation #ukedchat @jayneokell #ukedchat would it be fair to say that the NC restricts 21:03 the learner in this instance then? RT @heartofsol: @KiDu89 great to ask kids what they want to learn but where do you get the time to do this? Logistically hard to do 21:03 #ukedchat a well earned ginger wine and lemonade for me now #ukedchat 21:03 snow in the morn so steady as you go 21:03 First #ukedchat I've participated in. #feelingbrave! RT @ePaceonline @KempsterD #ukedchat Brilliant isn't it? So 21:04 excellent and so true http://t.co/Zqa7BcB4 @SirBlimelyWindy #ukedchat great discussion tonight - good luck 21:04 with pulling it all together! @SirBlimelyWindy #ukedchat Thank you very much indeed for 21:05 hosting. @mattbuxton10 @ePaceonline #ukedchat Then it isn't really Socratic. Oh don't mind me, I just like to point out *who* Socrates 21:05 questioned. @KiDu89 yes, that's a great way, and completely do-able. You 21:05 should patent that method, you'll make a mint :-) #ukedchat I'm guessing that you are a secondary teacher @oldandrewuk? 21:05 @heartofsol #ukedchat 21:05 @ufasarah so Ofsted and Edexel are the masters then?#ukedchat RT @ViciaScience: Teach children how to learn by modelling the process for them. Discuss your own ongoing professional learning 21:06 #ukedchat RT @heartofsol: RT @Educationchat @oldandrewuk @SheliBB Children should definitely work harder than teachers! > AGREED 21:06 #ukedchat @Educationchat @ePaceonline #ukedchat Well my thoughts are pretty easy to find. but I'm not going to summarise everything in 21:06 140 characters. RT @Educationchat @oldandrewuk @SheliBB Children should 21:06 definitely work harder than teachers! > AGREED #ukedchat @JOHNSAYERS @maxhopewell although we did ours just using laptops. Am a big kodu fan. Best free resource I've used for ages 21:07 #ukedchat

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peer_uk_ltd ukedchat

@SheliBB @oldandrewuk I'm actually both primary and secondary ;21:07 ) #ukedchat @Andy__Stokes ? Sorry I dont understand your last tweet - maybe 21:07 the weirdness of #ukedchat?? @creativeartsco I am afraid so. This is my view anyway. We should 21:07 learn the Finnish lesson: less is more. #ukedchat RT @PhilipEdmundson: @oldandrewuk In spirit, she is here, at least 21:08 ten times over... #ukedchat @ufasarah sorry i was venting sarcasm at who determines/controls 21:08 the learning!! #ukedchat @creativeartsco #ukedchat Yeah. Totally. It's too broad and time is 21:08 always an issue! @oldandrewuk In spirit, she is here, at least ten times over... 21:08 #ukedchat RT @stuart_g_brown: #ukedchat don't 'teach' learning, create the best conditions for each pupil to discover how they learn in their 21:09 own way #ukedchat is being taken over by #asechat on 29 December, but the 21:09 poll is open now http://t.co/HdoViw4G RT @SirBlimelyWindy: #ukedchat the Ken Robinson speech on 21:09 changing paradigms is here - recomended http://t.co/99znQFch RT @JRP_Penguin: #ukedchat another interesting mix of rational 21:09 reflections and utterly meaningless consultant-babble. RT @teachitso: #ukedchat Learning is what is remembered the next 21:09 day.

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